A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[Raginbull]

LCohen, SF and DUP can't exist without the other. They feed off each other like two leeches. We're stuck with them.

When one side spouts some shite about the other side, it riles people up to vote for "their own" again, even if they know they'll do feck all when voted in. People feel the only way to stick two fingers up at the other is to vote for their own side.

So let's get rid of both.

NI is here to stay. Whether that is part of UK or UI it's here to stay. Power sharing is here to stay. People will eventually work these 2 fraudulent parties out

That's very naive.  There's council elections in May.  Both parties will dominate without doubt.

And that's the way elections will be from now on in the north of Ireland - a headcount.  Anybody who thinks it will be any different is very naive.

If SF continue with the political track they have taken up to now there will never be a united ireland. If they think any different theyre the ones who are naive. They are pushing the prospect further and further away.

[LCohen]

LCohen, SF and DUP can't exist without the other. They feed off each other like two leeches. We're stuck with them.

When one side spouts some shite about the other side, it riles people up to vote for "their own" again, even if they know they'll do feck all when voted in. People feel the only way to stick two fingers up at the other is to vote for their own side.

So let's get rid of both.

NI is here to stay. Whether that is part of UK or UI it's here to stay. Power sharing is here to stay. People will eventually work these 2 fraudulent parties out

That's very naive.  There's council elections in May.  Both parties will dominate without doubt.

And that's the way elections will be from now on in the north of Ireland - a headcount.  Anybody who thinks it will be any different is very naive.

If I was talking about the upcoming LGE then that would be naive but I did say "eventually "

SF and DUP are each fraudulent parties that combine dishonesty with their electorate,  perpetuation of the old ways, cowardice in the face of difficult decisions, faux outrage and a wee bit too much of incompetence. I don't like the sectarian head count but the idea that you need to tolerate these 2 parties in order to facilitate a sectarian headcount will run out of steam. To assume otherwise will in the long term be exposed as the ultimate naivety

[marty34]

LCohen, SF and DUP can't exist without the other. They feed off each other like two leeches. We're stuck with them.

When one side spouts some shite about the other side, it riles people up to vote for "their own" again, even if they know they'll do feck all when voted in. People feel the only way to stick two fingers up at the other is to vote for their own side.

So let's get rid of both.

NI is here to stay. Whether that is part of UK or UI it's here to stay. Power sharing is here to stay. People will eventually work these 2 fraudulent parties out

That's very naive.  There's council elections in May.  Both parties will dominate without doubt.

And that's the way elections will be from now on in the north of Ireland - a headcount.  Anybody who thinks it will be any different is very naive.

If SF continue with the political track they have taken up to now there will never be a united ireland. If they think any different theyre the ones who are naive. They are pushing the prospect further and further away.

Possibly but the point I'm making is people are saying "why don't people vote for other parties?"  DUP/SF is how the people vote.  They have a choice but, whether we like it or not, that's who they vote for.

As I alluded to earlier - from now on it's a straight headcount.  This is clear to be seen the way the SDLP//UUP have been cast aside this past 5 years.

It's the 'Big Two' from now on.

[LCohen]

LCohen, SF and DUP can't exist without the other. They feed off each other like two leeches. We're stuck with them.

When one side spouts some shite about the other side, it riles people up to vote for "their own" again, even if they know they'll do feck all when voted in. People feel the only way to stick two fingers up at the other is to vote for their own side.

So let's get rid of both.

NI is here to stay. Whether that is part of UK or UI it's here to stay. Power sharing is here to stay. People will eventually work these 2 fraudulent parties out

That's very naive.  There's council elections in May.  Both parties will dominate without doubt.

And that's the way elections will be from now on in the north of Ireland - a headcount.  Anybody who thinks it will be any different is very naive.

If SF continue with the political track they have taken up to now there will never be a united ireland. If they think any different theyre the ones who are naive. They are pushing the prospect further and further away.

Possibly but the point I'm making is people are saying "why don't people vote for other parties?"  DUP/SF is how the people vote.  They have a choice but, whether we like it or not, that's who they vote for.

As I alluded to earlier - from now on it's a straight headcount.  This is clear to be seen the way the SDLP//UUP have been cast aside this past 5 years.

It's the 'Big Two' from now on.

Today- Yes

"From now on" - naivety

Not saying it will be easy but the fraud will be sussed out

[marty34]

LCohen, SF and DUP can't exist without the other. They feed off each other like two leeches. We're stuck with them.

When one side spouts some shite about the other side, it riles people up to vote for "their own" again, even if they know they'll do feck all when voted in. People feel the only way to stick two fingers up at the other is to vote for their own side.

So let's get rid of both.

NI is here to stay. Whether that is part of UK or UI it's here to stay. Power sharing is here to stay. People will eventually work these 2 fraudulent parties out

That's very naive.  There's council elections in May.  Both parties will dominate without doubt.

And that's the way elections will be from now on in the north of Ireland - a headcount.  Anybody who thinks it will be any different is very naive.

If SF continue with the political track they have taken up to now there will never be a united ireland. If they think any different theyre the ones who are naive. They are pushing the prospect further and further away.

Possibly but the point I'm making is people are saying "why don't people vote for other parties?"  DUP/SF is how the people vote.  They have a choice but, whether we like it or not, that's who they vote for.

As I alluded to earlier - from now on it's a straight headcount.  This is clear to be seen the way the SDLP//UUP have been cast aside this past 5 years.

It's the 'Big Two' from now on.

Today- Yes

"From now on" - naivety

Not saying it will be easy but the fraud will be sussed out

Ok, be more specific - 1 year, 3 year or 5 years etc.?

[LCohen]

LCohen, SF and DUP can't exist without the other. They feed off each other like two leeches. We're stuck with them.

When one side spouts some shite about the other side, it riles people up to vote for "their own" again, even if they know they'll do feck all when voted in. People feel the only way to stick two fingers up at the other is to vote for their own side.

So let's get rid of both.

NI is here to stay. Whether that is part of UK or UI it's here to stay. Power sharing is here to stay. People will eventually work these 2 fraudulent parties out

That's very naive.  There's council elections in May.  Both parties will dominate without doubt.

And that's the way elections will be from now on in the north of Ireland - a headcount.  Anybody who thinks it will be any different is very naive.

If SF continue with the political track they have taken up to now there will never be a united ireland. If they think any different theyre the ones who are naive. They are pushing the prospect further and further away.

Possibly but the point I'm making is people are saying "why don't people vote for other parties?"  DUP/SF is how the people vote.  They have a choice but, whether we like it or not, that's who they vote for.

As I alluded to earlier - from now on it's a straight headcount.  This is clear to be seen the way the SDLP//UUP have been cast aside this past 5 years.

It's the 'Big Two' from now on.

Today- Yes

"From now on" - naivety

Not saying it will be easy but the fraud will be sussed out

Ok, be more specific - 1 year, 3 year or 5 years etc.?

Genuinely hard to be specific. We know that DUP and SF are well oiled cynical machines. They aren't going to roll over. But if you take the long view the SF and DUP fraud won't be perpetuated forever. The UI talk now and subsequent debate it will trigger will expose the SF fraud soon enough.

[trailer]

LCohen, SF and DUP can't exist without the other. They feed off each other like two leeches. We're stuck with them.

When one side spouts some shite about the other side, it riles people up to vote for "their own" again, even if they know they'll do feck all when voted in. People feel the only way to stick two fingers up at the other is to vote for their own side.

So let's get rid of both.

NI is here to stay. Whether that is part of UK or UI it's here to stay. Power sharing is here to stay. People will eventually work these 2 fraudulent parties out

That's very naive.  There's council elections in May.  Both parties will dominate without doubt.

And that's the way elections will be from now on in the north of Ireland - a headcount.  Anybody who thinks it will be any different is very naive.

If SF continue with the political track they have taken up to now there will never be a united ireland. If they think any different theyre the ones who are naive. They are pushing the prospect further and further away.

Possibly but the point I'm making is people are saying "why don't people vote for other parties?"  DUP/SF is how the people vote.  They have a choice but, whether we like it or not, that's who they vote for.

As I alluded to earlier - from now on it's a straight headcount.  This is clear to be seen the way the SDLP//UUP have been cast aside this past 5 years.

It's the 'Big Two' from now on.

Today- Yes

"From now on" - naivety

Not saying it will be easy but the fraud will be sussed out

Ok, be more specific - 1 year, 3 year or 5 years etc.?

Genuinely hard to be specific. We know that DUP and SF are well oiled cynical machines. They aren't going to roll over. But if you take the long view the SF and DUP fraud won't be perpetuated forever. The UI talk now and subsequent debate it will trigger will expose the SF fraud soon enough.

People waking up to Sinn Fein. It'll start slow, but change is coming. People want proper representation and not frauds lining their pockets.

[Armagh18]

Mary Lou marching behind an 'England get out of Ireland' banner.  That's embarrassing.  All SF have to do is keep their mouths shut and let the DUP get the bigots prize, but they always manage something offensive.

Away and boil your head. England/ Brits out of Ireland is the fundamental principal of SF what do you expect.

[Armagh18]

Mary Lou marching behind an 'England get out of Ireland' banner.  That's embarrassing.  All SF have to do is keep their mouths shut and let the DUP get the bigots prize, but they always manage something offensive.

The Shinners have played this entire brexit thing horribly from the start. Constantly bleating on about a border poll has resulted in the extreme unionists coming to the fore again and digging their heels in. Its quite conceivable that if the british leave the EU that scotland will leave the UK and NI would follow. Mary Lou doesn't seem to realise or care that even though she may get a majority in the North for a UI, if there is even a possible sniff of hassle for the south she won't get it here. People in the south are not going to suck up the initial financial hit and have the UDA planting bombs in Dublin. The best thing that SF could do is get the assembly open again, do their utmost to work with the unionists, remove as much as possible the hatred between the two and wait for the general population to get pissed off importing goods from, or going through customs checks in france, germany, spain etc and decide the benefits of the EU outweigh any of being in the UK.

If some wee UDA sc**bag is going to plant bombs round Dublin, Sinn Fein playing nice with the DUP isn't going to stop it.

[trailer]

Mary Lou marching behind an 'England get out of Ireland' banner.  That's embarrassing.  All SF have to do is keep their mouths shut and let the DUP get the bigots prize, but they always manage something offensive.

Away and boil your head. England/ Brits out of Ireland is the fundamental principal of SF what do you expect.

Equality? Respect? Integrity?

If a United Ireland is to be achieved, it is now abundantly clear that Sinn Fein must be sidelined. They're simply unable to show any sensible leadership on issue.

[tiempo]

Mary Lou marching behind an 'England get out of Ireland' banner.  That's embarrassing.  All SF have to do is keep their mouths shut and let the DUP get the bigots prize, but they always manage something offensive.

Away and boil your head. England/ Brits out of Ireland is the fundamental principal of SF what do you expect.

Equality? Respect? Integrity?

If a United Ireland is to be achieved, it is now abundantly clear that Sinn Fein must be sidelined. They're simply unable to show any sensible leadership on issue.

Here bass, its abundantly clear Sinn Fein have a mandate.
They are the only party pursuing the issue.
Your living in a haze of unicorn farts try to get out once in a while.

[Lar Naparka]

Sinn Féin signed up to the GFA which as we and they know says "England will get out of Ireland" when a majority in the 6 Cos vote for that.

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Yah, but  there's a wee sting in that particular tail. 

For a UI, a majority of people in the whole island must be in favour first.  That's what the GFA says anyway. But a one vote majority in a referendum in the north doesn't mean the nationalists in the north are in the clear. There would have to be a majority of at least two in a referendum in the south, held at the same time, before you can talk about UI.
So, what happens if a UI vote is carried in the north but is defeated in the south by a bigger margin?
I have no idea what would happen next because such a possibility isn't covered by the GFA. (At least, I can't spot it if it is there.)

[trailer]

Mary Lou marching behind an 'England get out of Ireland' banner.  That's embarrassing.  All SF have to do is keep their mouths shut and let the DUP get the bigots prize, but they always manage something offensive.

Away and boil your head. England/ Brits out of Ireland is the fundamental principal of SF what do you expect.

Equality? Respect? Integrity?

If a United Ireland is to be achieved, it is now abundantly clear that Sinn Fein must be sidelined. They're simply unable to show any sensible leadership on issue.

Here bass, its abundantly clear Sinn Fein have a mandate.
They are the only party pursuing the issue.
Your living in a haze of unicorn farts try to get out once in a while.

Here bass, its abundantly clear Sinn Fein have a mandate. Here bass?
They are the only party pursuing the issue. Lies
Your living in a haze of unicorn farts try to get out once in a while. *You're

[RadioGAAGAA]

If there is a hard-Brexit... and there is a border poll....

If we came out of that border poll without a United Ireland, the primary reason would be the continued stupidity of Sinn Fein.

What does that banner achieve apart from pissing people off? Is Mary Lou that insecure about her republicanism she actually feels better for walking along behind it?


Ironically, while the morons in the DUP are doing everything in their power to make a United Ireland more likely, their equivalents in Sinn Fein are doing their bit to continue British rule in Ireland. You couldn't make it up.

[RadioGAAGAA]

I don't follow the logic.
It's as if Nationalists should pretend they don't want Irish unity in order to trick Unionists into it.

How about them making arguments as to how much better off we'd all be in a UI rather than "Brits out"?

Or what about laying out frameworks for protecting unionist heritage and culture in a UI? [for example, Orangemen can and do parade quite peacefully in the South, do you think the average Joe in East Belfast knows that?]


By going down the road of "get the Brits out" rather than "we want to be in a UI" - they are (at least perceived as, possibly actually are) seeking to exclude and expel those of a unionist persuasion and not bring them with us into a brighter future within a UI.