Would like to hear what other clubs are doing around this. We had our first meeting on it tonight and have decided to start with the following:
--> We're not going to bring back U12 and lower until after 20th of July. There's only 3 weeks in the difference and we deemed trying to maintain 2m spacing with them to be not worth the effort.
--> We're going to have our Senior team train on Tuesday 30th June as our pilot. We'll see how everything goes that night and then look to bring a couple of more teams back `later that first week.
--> We're not going to offer temperature testing at the grounds. If you haven't taken your temperature and recorded it before coming to training, then you won't be able to train.
--> Coaching numbers is going to be a big challenge (even more so than normal); with 10 players to 1/2 coaches, pus a Covid Supervisor, it's going to be tough.
Anyone else getting started on it?
I don't think we'll bother the Under 12's/P7's down either initially as it'll be like herding geese.
The guidance we got updated there this morning is that due the GDPR issues the GAA are to revisit the form each player has to complete before a training session. We'll see what comes out of that.
WRT the numbers able to train, I think we're allowed to split the pitch into two halves and allow 10 on each half, but separated.
We'll buy IR yolks and check them prior to training.
Need them to wipe down hurls and helmets with disinfectant every session...
I presume full contact is expected by the end of July.
What the gaa sent out to clubs last week was the greatest effort in arse covering that I've ever seen and is impossible to implement or police.
Quote from: Itchy on June 10, 2020, 09:09:33 PM
What the gaa sent out to clubs last week was the greatest effort in arse covering that I've ever seen and is impossible to implement or police.
And the fact that the general public got it before county boards had it out to clubs meant the clubs were on the back foot. Managers straight in with demands before meetings could be arranged.
Government guidance in the north doesn't require social media to be maintained during coaching - "In all cases, maintain social distancing as far as possible - any contacts are brief"
It really is a massive ask for clubs and will cost a few Bob, but it needs done. Our 4 codes are meeting to gather ideas and report to senior committee, probably exactly the same as 100s of clubs. 20 a pitch, but if a session is 6 to 7 the next one can't start at 7 as the first group must clear and the new group cannot be waiting to get on. Massive ask to get all teams in all codes to train and play.
Will we get league games?
It is a massive ask and seems the GAA is just washing their hands of it.
A lot of pressure on individuals within clubs and remember these are all amateurs..........it isnt deemed safe for paid professionals to be working with children.
Regardless, if its safe we need to make it happen for the mental health of many of our players and to get them involved in the social aspect again
Quote from: Square Ball on June 10, 2020, 10:22:31 PM
It really is a massive ask for clubs and will cost a few Bob, but it needs done. Our 4 codes are meeting to gather ideas and report to senior committee, probably exactly the same as 100s of clubs. 20 a pitch, but if a session is 6 to 7 the next one can't start at 7 as the first group must clear and the new group cannot be waiting to get on. Massive ask to get all teams in all codes to train and play.
Will we get league games?
You're Down Sqaure Ball, aren't you?
Well hurling wise you're clubmate and former contributor on here has informed all Down hurling referees to prepare themselves for the very end of July and they'll be refereeing as many games as possible, so I'm expecting a league of sorts, either one way or partitioned into sub leagues based on regions, but nothing concrete as yet.
Get yer IR thermometers orders in
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 10, 2020, 10:00:06 PM
Government guidance in the north doesn't require social media to be maintained during coaching - "In all cases, maintain social distancing as far as possible - any contacts are brief"
Didn't know this. Does the GAA guidance superceed this for gaelic games?
Mayo football leagues back on 1st Aug and championship starting the following weekend. Championship finals 19/20th Sep.
QuoteOn Friday evening July 31st our games will return with Round 1 of our Senior Hurling Championship
Our Football Leagues will commence the following day and over the weekend.
Weekend August 8th/9th - Round 1 Senior, Intermediate and Exclusive Junior Championship.
Weekend August 15th /16th - Round 2 Senior, Intermediate and Exclusive Junior Championship.
Weekend 22nd/23rd August- Round 2 of our Leagues along with Round 2 of our Senior Hurling Championship
Weekend of 29th /30th August 29th- Round 3 Senior, Intermediate and Exclusive Junior Championship.
Weekend Sep 5th /6th - Senior, Intermediate and Exclusive Junior Championship Quarter Finals.
Senior, Intermediate and Exclusive Junior Championship relegation Semi Finals. Round 1 Exclusive Junior B Championshipship
Weekend Sep 12th /13th -Senior, Intermediate and Exclusive Junior Championship Semi Finals
Senior, Intermediate and Exclusive Junior Championship relegation Finals. Round 2 Exclusive Junior B Championshipship
Weekend Sep 19th /20th - Senior, Intermediate and Exclusive Junior Championship Finals.
Senior Hurling Championship Final. Round 3 Exclusive Junior B Championshipship.
Weekend Sep 26th/27th - League Round 3
The schedule for October and November will be confirmed once the National CCC meets next week. We propose to finish the leagues to a conclusion and to run the New Junior B Championship also during this time.
The revised league Structures in Division 1 to 5 are based on the team placings in the league as per 2019.
The revised league structure in Division 6 are based on geographical areas to facilitate travel for those teams who will have 2 games on a weekend.
The Championship Draws remain the same as per draw on March 9th
The CCC will be issuing Revised League and Championship Regulations early next week.
The GAA document is 15 pages long. It asks for a a Covid admin person for each group - U6, U8, U10 ...Seniors. It wants a log of everyone who attends training showing that they measured their temperature before they arrive at training (no way to check they did this so its just ass covering). It wants the coaches to sterilise all equipment, balls, cones flags etc after every session (does that mean kids cant kick the ball from one to the other?) They want door handles wiped down after every session. They want every parent of a child to go on line and do a course. Thats some of the highlights.
This is the GAA response and its a total deflection onto parents and coaches and away from themselves. No financial help has been offered either. A very poor response, I hope in light of Varadkars announcement last week that it is re considered.
Quote from: Itchy on June 11, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
The GAA document is 15 pages long. It asks for a a Covid admin person for each group - U6, U8, U10 ...Seniors. It wants a log of everyone who attends training showing that they measured their temperature before they arrive at training (no way to check they did this so its just ass covering). It wants the coaches to sterilise all equipment, balls, cones flags etc after every session (does that mean kids cant kick the ball from one to the other?) They want door handles wiped down after every session. They want every parent of a child to go on line and do a course. Thats some of the highlights.
This is the GAA response and its a total deflection onto parents and coaches and away from themselves. No financial help has been offered either. A very poor response, I hope in light of Varadkars announcement last week that it is re considered.
Correct Itchy - the GAA is just washing their hands of it.
This is showing how well the GAA are handling things - 'it wasnt us - some of the volunteers in the club didnt follow the process'
Quote from: johnnycool on June 11, 2020, 09:32:15 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 10, 2020, 10:22:31 PM
It really is a massive ask for clubs and will cost a few Bob, but it needs done. Our 4 codes are meeting to gather ideas and report to senior committee, probably exactly the same as 100s of clubs. 20 a pitch, but if a session is 6 to 7 the next one can't start at 7 as the first group must clear and the new group cannot be waiting to get on. Massive ask to get all teams in all codes to train and play.
Will we get league games?
You're Down Sqaure Ball, aren't you?
Well hurling wise you're clubmate and former contributor on here has informed all Down hurling referees to prepare themselves for the very end of July and they'll be refereeing as many games as possible, so I'm expecting a league of sorts, either one way or partitioned into sub leagues based on regions, but nothing concrete as yet.
Get yer IR thermometers orders in
I am indeed Down. Lol, I wonder who you mean🤔😄. I believe we have our IR yokes ordered, gonna need gallons and gallons of disinfectant and hand sanitizer as well.
Quote from: Square Ball on June 11, 2020, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 11, 2020, 09:32:15 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 10, 2020, 10:22:31 PM
It really is a massive ask for clubs and will cost a few Bob, but it needs done. Our 4 codes are meeting to gather ideas and report to senior committee, probably exactly the same as 100s of clubs. 20 a pitch, but if a session is 6 to 7 the next one can't start at 7 as the first group must clear and the new group cannot be waiting to get on. Massive ask to get all teams in all codes to train and play.
Will we get league games?
You're Down Sqaure Ball, aren't you?
Well hurling wise you're clubmate and former contributor on here has informed all Down hurling referees to prepare themselves for the very end of July and they'll be refereeing as many games as possible, so I'm expecting a league of sorts, either one way or partitioned into sub leagues based on regions, but nothing concrete as yet.
Get yer IR thermometers orders in
I am indeed Down. Lol, I wonder who you mean🤔😄. I believe we have our IR yokes ordered, gonna need gallons and gallons of disinfectant and hand sanitizer as well.
I'll get you a good deal from Echlinville distillery, owned by a Ballygalget man...
So good you can drink it.
Someone mentioned door handles, changing rooms, toilets etc etc are still out of bounds AFAIK so you arrive kitted up and you go home to shower and the likes.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 11, 2020, 05:31:15 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 11, 2020, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 11, 2020, 09:32:15 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 10, 2020, 10:22:31 PM
It really is a massive ask for clubs and will cost a few Bob, but it needs done. Our 4 codes are meeting to gather ideas and report to senior committee, probably exactly the same as 100s of clubs. 20 a pitch, but if a session is 6 to 7 the next one can't start at 7 as the first group must clear and the new group cannot be waiting to get on. Massive ask to get all teams in all codes to train and play.
Will we get league games?
You're Down Sqaure Ball, aren't you?
Well hurling wise you're clubmate and former contributor on here has informed all Down hurling referees to prepare themselves for the very end of July and they'll be refereeing as many games as possible, so I'm expecting a league of sorts, either one way or partitioned into sub leagues based on regions, but nothing concrete as yet.
Get yer IR thermometers orders in
I am indeed Down. Lol, I wonder who you mean🤔😄. I believe we have our IR yokes ordered, gonna need gallons and gallons of disinfectant and hand sanitizer as well.
I'll get you a good deal from Echlinville distillery, owned by a Ballygalget man...
So good you can drink it.
Someone mentioned door handles, changing rooms, toilets etc etc are still out of bounds AFAIK so you arrive kitted up and you go home to shower and the likes.
That be normal for you cultchies
Quote from: Itchy on June 11, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
The GAA document is 15 pages long. It asks for a a Covid admin person for each group - U6, U8, U10 ...Seniors. It wants a log of everyone who attends training showing that they measured their temperature before they arrive at training (no way to check they did this so its just ass covering). It wants the coaches to sterilise all equipment, balls, cones flags etc after every session (does that mean kids cant kick the ball from one to the other?) They want door handles wiped down after every session. They want every parent of a child to go on line and do a course. Thats some of the highlights.
This is the GAA response and its a total deflection onto parents and coaches and away from themselves. No financial help has been offered either. A very poor response, I hope in light of Varadkars announcement last week that it is re considered.
I'm not sure what the GAA centrally can do. They cannot dole out money as they have no money coming in, they can't send out a load of cleaners, they can only provide advice. If local clubs don't want Covid in their community then they just need to get on with it and make it clear to people that vigilance is needed in the times that are in it.
Quote from: Itchy on June 11, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
The GAA document is 15 pages long. It asks for a a Covid admin person for each group - U6, U8, U10 ...Seniors. It wants a log of everyone who attends training showing that they measured their temperature before they arrive at training (no way to check they did this so its just ass covering). It wants the coaches to sterilise all equipment, balls, cones flags etc after every session (does that mean kids cant kick the ball from one to the other?) They want door handles wiped down after every session. They want every parent of a child to go on line and do a course. Thats some of the highlights.
This is the GAA response and its a total deflection onto parents and coaches and away from themselves. No financial help has been offered either. A very poor response, I hope in light of Varadkars announcement last week that it is re considered.
Questions Itchy
What response would you have preferred to see from the GAA? Ultimately they will be gatherings that could facilitate the spread of Covid-19. So I think their choices are 1. Cancel everything, or 2. Put in place stringent measures that minimises the potential for spread, and also enables track and trace in event of Covid being detected among a participant. I don't think there is a number 3 tbh.
Why did you mention money? What financial undertaking is required here? The purchase of a thermometer and several litres of sanitizer? This is going to be a costly exercise in terms of time. But not financially.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2020, 12:48:10 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 11, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
The GAA document is 15 pages long. It asks for a a Covid admin person for each group - U6, U8, U10 ...Seniors. It wants a log of everyone who attends training showing that they measured their temperature before they arrive at training (no way to check they did this so its just ass covering). It wants the coaches to sterilise all equipment, balls, cones flags etc after every session (does that mean kids cant kick the ball from one to the other?) They want door handles wiped down after every session. They want every parent of a child to go on line and do a course. Thats some of the highlights.
This is the GAA response and its a total deflection onto parents and coaches and away from themselves. No financial help has been offered either. A very poor response, I hope in light of Varadkars announcement last week that it is re considered.
I'm not sure what the GAA centrally can do. They cannot dole out money as they have no money coming in, they can't send out a load of cleaners, they can only provide advice. If local clubs don't want Covid in their community then they just need to get on with it and make it clear to people that vigilance is needed in the times that are in it.
Their advice is to do a load of stuff that most companies are not even doing and asking amateur volunteers to document it which makes them fully accountable for it. What they could have and should have done was to issue some advisory notices to say stuff such as
1- Follow all government recommendations as published on HSE website
2- Until date X social distancing should be followed at training and small groups used (of 15 same as government recommendations)
3- All people entering and leaving the ground such wash their hands with soap and water.
4- Ask parents and players not to attend training if they feel in anyway unwell.
5- Recommend every club assign "1" Covid officer to "oversee" the clubs roll out of the above
They should then have provided the clubs with poster graphics that they could print off and a youtube video that a link could be sent to all members to ask people to attend.
All that could have been communicated to clubs in a 2/3 page document. In addition there are tonnes of GAA people out there like myself that have worked in factories/businesses all the way through this pandemic that could have told them this.
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2020, 08:28:54 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2020, 12:48:10 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 11, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
The GAA document is 15 pages long. It asks for a a Covid admin person for each group - U6, U8, U10 ...Seniors. It wants a log of everyone who attends training showing that they measured their temperature before they arrive at training (no way to check they did this so its just ass covering). It wants the coaches to sterilise all equipment, balls, cones flags etc after every session (does that mean kids cant kick the ball from one to the other?) They want door handles wiped down after every session. They want every parent of a child to go on line and do a course. Thats some of the highlights.
This is the GAA response and its a total deflection onto parents and coaches and away from themselves. No financial help has been offered either. A very poor response, I hope in light of Varadkars announcement last week that it is re considered.
I'm not sure what the GAA centrally can do. They cannot dole out money as they have no money coming in, they can't send out a load of cleaners, they can only provide advice. If local clubs don't want Covid in their community then they just need to get on with it and make it clear to people that vigilance is needed in the times that are in it.
Their advice is to do a load of stuff that most companies are not even doing and asking amateur volunteers to document it which makes them fully accountable for it. What they could have and should have done was to issue some advisory notices to say stuff such as
1- Follow all government recommendations as published on HSE website
2- Until date X social distancing should be followed at training and small groups used (of 15 same as government recommendations)
3- All people entering and leaving the ground such wash their hands with soap and water.
4- Ask parents and players not to attend training if they feel in anyway unwell.
5- Recommend every club assign "1" Covid officer to "oversee" the clubs roll out of the above
They should then have provided the clubs with poster graphics that they could print off and a youtube video that a link could be sent to all members to ask people to attend.
All that could have been communicated to clubs in a 2/3 page document. In addition there are tonnes of GAA people out there like myself that have worked in factories/businesses all the way through this pandemic that could have told them this.
You go to work, you're easily traceable.
You go to a normal GAA Sunday morning where there's 100+ kids training over a couple of hours, and 50+ parents wandering about, along with various other locals. One of those parents falls ill a couple of weeks later. How do you go about tracing that?
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:26:31 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 11, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
The GAA document is 15 pages long. It asks for a a Covid admin person for each group - U6, U8, U10 ...Seniors. It wants a log of everyone who attends training showing that they measured their temperature before they arrive at training (no way to check they did this so its just ass covering). It wants the coaches to sterilise all equipment, balls, cones flags etc after every session (does that mean kids cant kick the ball from one to the other?) They want door handles wiped down after every session. They want every parent of a child to go on line and do a course. Thats some of the highlights.
This is the GAA response and its a total deflection onto parents and coaches and away from themselves. No financial help has been offered either. A very poor response, I hope in light of Varadkars announcement last week that it is re considered.
Questions Itchy
What response would you have preferred to see from the GAA? Ultimately they will be gatherings that could facilitate the spread of Covid-19. So I think their choices are 1. Cancel everything, or 2. Put in place stringent measures that minimises the potential for spread, and also enables track and trace in event of Covid being detected among a participant. I don't think there is a number 3 tbh.
Why did you mention money? What financial undertaking is required here? The purchase of a thermometer and several litres of sanitizer? This is going to be a costly exercise in terms of time. But not financially.
Wobbler - when you go down to the local Tesco or Dunnes to go shopping did the security guard at the door ask you for your temperature and log it in a book, insist on you doing a online course before you enter the shop or did someone in the shop sterilise everything you touched after you left?
If I ran the GAA, I think I would have waited another month at least until I saw that cases and deaths in the country were zero before doing anything. But if we are deciding that we are going to start up again then we need to not make it so that volunteers at club level are accountable for a whole raft of idiotic requests that they could not possibly police.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:33:53 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2020, 08:28:54 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2020, 12:48:10 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 11, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
The GAA document is 15 pages long. It asks for a a Covid admin person for each group - U6, U8, U10 ...Seniors. It wants a log of everyone who attends training showing that they measured their temperature before they arrive at training (no way to check they did this so its just ass covering). It wants the coaches to sterilise all equipment, balls, cones flags etc after every session (does that mean kids cant kick the ball from one to the other?) They want door handles wiped down after every session. They want every parent of a child to go on line and do a course. Thats some of the highlights.
This is the GAA response and its a total deflection onto parents and coaches and away from themselves. No financial help has been offered either. A very poor response, I hope in light of Varadkars announcement last week that it is re considered.
I'm not sure what the GAA centrally can do. They cannot dole out money as they have no money coming in, they can't send out a load of cleaners, they can only provide advice. If local clubs don't want Covid in their community then they just need to get on with it and make it clear to people that vigilance is needed in the times that are in it.
Their advice is to do a load of stuff that most companies are not even doing and asking amateur volunteers to document it which makes them fully accountable for it. What they could have and should have done was to issue some advisory notices to say stuff such as
1- Follow all government recommendations as published on HSE website
2- Until date X social distancing should be followed at training and small groups used (of 15 same as government recommendations)
3- All people entering and leaving the ground such wash their hands with soap and water.
4- Ask parents and players not to attend training if they feel in anyway unwell.
5- Recommend every club assign "1" Covid officer to "oversee" the clubs roll out of the above
They should then have provided the clubs with poster graphics that they could print off and a youtube video that a link could be sent to all members to ask people to attend.
All that could have been communicated to clubs in a 2/3 page document. In addition there are tonnes of GAA people out there like myself that have worked in factories/businesses all the way through this pandemic that could have told them this.
You go to work, you're easily traceable.
You go to a normal GAA Sunday morning where there's 100+ kids training over a couple of hours, and 50+ parents wandering about, along with various other locals. One of those parents falls ill a couple of weeks later. How do you go about tracing that?
Not our problem. Every parent knows about social distancing unless they have their heads up their holes. The GAA cannot be responsible for people not adhering to government guidelines. We can put up signs, encourage people etc but we should not be doing contact tracing. The very angle you are coming at this shows how dangerous this 15 page document could be as you somehow think the GAA take the lead here.
By the way, the guidelines I proposed said 15 in a group training, not 100s, as per latest government guidelines.
oh and by the way, contact tracing is actually owned by the HSE not by the places people work. Although in reality they have not done it.
If truth be told, I think forcing parents/players to sign a pro forma questionnaire before every session is little more than an exercise in killing unfortunate trees, as a) if someone is now feeling unwell, the chances are they've been spreading for weeks, and b) nobody in the history of the world has ever read the questions or thought about the answers on a pro forma document, after they've completed it a couple of to times.
But the rest of it I'm finding difficult to argue with. I don't like it. But I can see the merits.
What date is the official return to training? I don't envy the dual clubs trying to sort out schedules etc.
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2020, 08:37:15 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:33:53 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2020, 08:28:54 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2020, 12:48:10 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 11, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
The GAA document is 15 pages long. It asks for a a Covid admin person for each group - U6, U8, U10 ...Seniors. It wants a log of everyone who attends training showing that they measured their temperature before they arrive at training (no way to check they did this so its just ass covering). It wants the coaches to sterilise all equipment, balls, cones flags etc after every session (does that mean kids cant kick the ball from one to the other?) They want door handles wiped down after every session. They want every parent of a child to go on line and do a course. Thats some of the highlights.
This is the GAA response and its a total deflection onto parents and coaches and away from themselves. No financial help has been offered either. A very poor response, I hope in light of Varadkars announcement last week that it is re considered.
I'm not sure what the GAA centrally can do. They cannot dole out money as they have no money coming in, they can't send out a load of cleaners, they can only provide advice. If local clubs don't want Covid in their community then they just need to get on with it and make it clear to people that vigilance is needed in the times that are in it.
Their advice is to do a load of stuff that most companies are not even doing and asking amateur volunteers to document it which makes them fully accountable for it. What they could have and should have done was to issue some advisory notices to say stuff such as
1- Follow all government recommendations as published on HSE website
2- Until date X social distancing should be followed at training and small groups used (of 15 same as government recommendations)
3- All people entering and leaving the ground such wash their hands with soap and water.
4- Ask parents and players not to attend training if they feel in anyway unwell.
5- Recommend every club assign "1" Covid officer to "oversee" the clubs roll out of the above
They should then have provided the clubs with poster graphics that they could print off and a youtube video that a link could be sent to all members to ask people to attend.
All that could have been communicated to clubs in a 2/3 page document. In addition there are tonnes of GAA people out there like myself that have worked in factories/businesses all the way through this pandemic that could have told them this.
You go to work, you're easily traceable.
You go to a normal GAA Sunday morning where there's 100+ kids training over a couple of hours, and 50+ parents wandering about, along with various other locals. One of those parents falls ill a couple of weeks later. How do you go about tracing that?
Not our problem. Every parent knows about social distancing unless they have their heads up their holes. The GAA cannot be responsible for people not adhering to government guidelines. We can put up signs, encourage people etc but we should not be doing contact tracing. The very angle you are coming at this shows how dangerous this 15 page document could be as you somehow think the GAA take the lead here.
By the way, the guidelines I proposed said 15 in a group training, not 100s, as per latest government guidelines.
oh and by the way, contact tracing is actually owned by the HSE not by the places people work. Although in reality they have not done it.
The first question from the authorities would be along the lines of "can you list everywhere you've been and you've been in contact with for the past 14 days".
Given that, I don't really see how the GAA can around requiring a roll call tbh.
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Re 15 people / 100 people.
If the GAA does not go over the top, then we as people will return immediately to the old ways. Tens of thousands of people marching in London last week is all the proof you need that people will do whatever the hell they like, unless rules are in place.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 08:46:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 11, 2020, 05:31:15 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 11, 2020, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 11, 2020, 09:32:15 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 10, 2020, 10:22:31 PM
It really is a massive ask for clubs and will cost a few Bob, but it needs done. Our 4 codes are meeting to gather ideas and report to senior committee, probably exactly the same as 100s of clubs. 20 a pitch, but if a session is 6 to 7 the next one can't start at 7 as the first group must clear and the new group cannot be waiting to get on. Massive ask to get all teams in all codes to train and play.
Will we get league games?
You're Down Sqaure Ball, aren't you?
Well hurling wise you're clubmate and former contributor on here has informed all Down hurling referees to prepare themselves for the very end of July and they'll be refereeing as many games as possible, so I'm expecting a league of sorts, either one way or partitioned into sub leagues based on regions, but nothing concrete as yet.
Get yer IR thermometers orders in
I am indeed Down. Lol, I wonder who you mean🤔😄. I believe we have our IR yokes ordered, gonna need gallons and gallons of disinfectant and hand sanitizer as well.
I'll get you a good deal from Echlinville distillery, owned by a Ballygalget man...
So good you can drink it.
Someone mentioned door handles, changing rooms, toilets etc etc are still out of bounds AFAIK so you arrive kitted up and you go home to shower and the likes.
That be normal for you cultchies
Luckily I lived in Belfast every time we played at your place as it would have been more hygienic to stand under a cow pishing as to use the showers in your place.
;D
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:43:21 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2020, 08:37:15 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:33:53 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2020, 08:28:54 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2020, 12:48:10 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 11, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
The GAA document is 15 pages long. It asks for a a Covid admin person for each group - U6, U8, U10 ...Seniors. It wants a log of everyone who attends training showing that they measured their temperature before they arrive at training (no way to check they did this so its just ass covering). It wants the coaches to sterilise all equipment, balls, cones flags etc after every session (does that mean kids cant kick the ball from one to the other?) They want door handles wiped down after every session. They want every parent of a child to go on line and do a course. Thats some of the highlights.
This is the GAA response and its a total deflection onto parents and coaches and away from themselves. No financial help has been offered either. A very poor response, I hope in light of Varadkars announcement last week that it is re considered.
I'm not sure what the GAA centrally can do. They cannot dole out money as they have no money coming in, they can't send out a load of cleaners, they can only provide advice. If local clubs don't want Covid in their community then they just need to get on with it and make it clear to people that vigilance is needed in the times that are in it.
Their advice is to do a load of stuff that most companies are not even doing and asking amateur volunteers to document it which makes them fully accountable for it. What they could have and should have done was to issue some advisory notices to say stuff such as
1- Follow all government recommendations as published on HSE website
2- Until date X social distancing should be followed at training and small groups used (of 15 same as government recommendations)
3- All people entering and leaving the ground such wash their hands with soap and water.
4- Ask parents and players not to attend training if they feel in anyway unwell.
5- Recommend every club assign "1" Covid officer to "oversee" the clubs roll out of the above
They should then have provided the clubs with poster graphics that they could print off and a youtube video that a link could be sent to all members to ask people to attend.
All that could have been communicated to clubs in a 2/3 page document. In addition there are tonnes of GAA people out there like myself that have worked in factories/businesses all the way through this pandemic that could have told them this.
You go to work, you're easily traceable.
You go to a normal GAA Sunday morning where there's 100+ kids training over a couple of hours, and 50+ parents wandering about, along with various other locals. One of those parents falls ill a couple of weeks later. How do you go about tracing that?
Not our problem. Every parent knows about social distancing unless they have their heads up their holes. The GAA cannot be responsible for people not adhering to government guidelines. We can put up signs, encourage people etc but we should not be doing contact tracing. The very angle you are coming at this shows how dangerous this 15 page document could be as you somehow think the GAA take the lead here.
By the way, the guidelines I proposed said 15 in a group training, not 100s, as per latest government guidelines.
oh and by the way, contact tracing is actually owned by the HSE not by the places people work. Although in reality they have not done it.
The first question from the authorities would be along the lines of "can you list everywhere you've been and you've been in contact with for the past 14 days".
Given that, I don't really see how the GAA can around requiring a roll call tbh.
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Re 15 people / 100 people.
If the GAA does not go over the top, then we as people will return immediately to the old ways. Tens of thousands of people marching in London last week is all the proof you need that people will do whatever the hell they like, unless rules are in place.
No Wobbler, the first question from the Authorities is "can you list your close contacts" defined as being withing 2m, face to face for a period of time >15 minutes. That question is asked of the individual, not the club, not the place the work, not the shop you shopped in. Keeping your list of close contacts to a minimum is the responsibility of every individual in the country and not the reponsibility of companies, clubs or business places. If someone in my place or work gets sick, we have no idea who they may or may not have been in close contact with in the canteen, toilets, car park etc, only the effected person can tell us that.
You call them rules. Rules mean there are consequences to breaking them. How does the GAA uphold rules, we cant issue red cards to parents or kids for not social distancing? I say you call them guidelines and recommendations. Everyone knows why you do them and why we need to do them.
Itchy,
Rules, whatever you want to call them.
The lockdown was largely a success because the population in general bought into the sense of "we are in this together".
Once (in the UK) there became a hierarchical system depending on what you do for living, and how much you like to accept or test the rules, the lockdown pretty much went out the window. Monkey see, monkey do.
What the GAA is attempting to do here is to place a countrywide code of conduct on its clubs and membership. They will have been required to do something along these lines by the Irish Govt, as is every sporting body looking to return to action.
You might think it's OTT. But if you leave room for interpretation, the number of clubs with a very liberal interpretation will increase exponentially during July. At which point we might as well have dived straight into competitive action in front of crowds.
Will club bars be allowed to open if we get the go ahead in the north or will they have to wait to august 10?
Bars are a massive source of income to clubs
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:38:50 AM
If truth be told, I think forcing parents/players to sign a pro forma questionnaire before every session is little more than an exercise in killing unfortunate trees, as a) if someone is now feeling unwell, the chances are they've been spreading for weeks, and b) nobody in the history of the world has ever read the questions or thought about the answers on a pro forma document, after they've completed it a couple of to times.
But the rest of it I'm finding difficult to argue with. I don't like it. But I can see the merits.
Signing in every session is the bit I don't get. Sharing pen? Surely the pro forma should only be signed once?
I get the temperature check piece, you can control that with one person doing that and filling in temperature with no contact with player.
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2020, 08:33:57 AM
Wobbler - when you go down to the local Tesco or Dunnes to go shopping did the security guard at the door ask you for your temperature and log it in a book, insist on you doing a online course before you enter the shop or did someone in the shop sterilise everything you touched after you left?
The compulsory online courses bit of the GAA regulations is the one that will annoy most club people. It smacks of the safe driving courses and anger management courses that convicted dangerous drivers and domestic violence perps are sent on for punishment.
Quote from: City Dweller on June 12, 2020, 11:31:41 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:38:50 AM
If truth be told, I think forcing parents/players to sign a pro forma questionnaire before every session is little more than an exercise in killing unfortunate trees, as a) if someone is now feeling unwell, the chances are they've been spreading for weeks, and b) nobody in the history of the world has ever read the questions or thought about the answers on a pro forma document, after they've completed it a couple of to times.
But the rest of it I'm finding difficult to argue with. I don't like it. But I can see the merits.
Signing in every session is the bit I don't get. Sharing pen? Surely the pro forma should only be signed once?
I get the temperature check piece, you can control that with one person doing that and filling in temperature with no contact with player.
Why do you get the temp check piece?
1- It is for people to do at home supposedly and come and declare their temp and record it at the pitch (no way to police_
2- Temp checks are a total waste of time and are only an arse covering exercise as you can have Covid with no temperature and you can have temperature with no covid.
3- f**k all professional businesses are doing it yet amateur GAA clubs are going to. Utter nonsense
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 10:04:47 AM
Itchy,
Rules, whatever you want to call them.
The lockdown was largely a success because the population in general bought into the sense of "we are in this together".
Once (in the UK) there became a hierarchical system depending on what you do for living, and how much you like to accept or test the rules, the lockdown pretty much went out the window. Monkey see, monkey do.
What the GAA is attempting to do here is to place a countrywide code of conduct on its clubs and membership. They will have been required to do something along these lines by the Irish Govt, as is every sporting body looking to return to action.
You might think it's OTT. But if you leave room for interpretation, the number of clubs with a very liberal interpretation will increase exponentially during July. At which point we might as well have dived straight into competitive action in front of crowds.
The bit in bold is hear say. In fact I'd go as far a to say the Irish Government and the GAA didnt even talk to each other last week prior to Leo Varadkar's annoucement. If they had surely they would have had alignment on the most simple definition of how many people could train together (GAA say 10, Irish Government say 15). Yes I am sure there is expectations that sporting bodies to their bit but what they are proposing is way beyond was could be reasonably expected.
Itchy just last week the GUI rolled back on an original pledge to permit member golf competitions in phase 2.
Golfers and golf clubs united in disgust.
The only rationale anyone can come up with for this is that the other sporting bodies in Ireland were unhappy that competitive golf would take place before other sports were permitted to train.
I would think there's more discussions going on behind the scenes than you're imagining. There is a minister for sport for a reason.
(By the way this doesn't mean that everyone is in agreement in those meetings, and there aren't forces working against each other from time to time)
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2020, 12:23:55 PM
Quote from: City Dweller on June 12, 2020, 11:31:41 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:38:50 AM
If truth be told, I think forcing parents/players to sign a pro forma questionnaire before every session is little more than an exercise in killing unfortunate trees, as a) if someone is now feeling unwell, the chances are they've been spreading for weeks, and b) nobody in the history of the world has ever read the questions or thought about the answers on a pro forma document, after they've completed it a couple of to times.
But the rest of it I'm finding difficult to argue with. I don't like it. But I can see the merits.
Signing in every session is the bit I don't get. Sharing pen? Surely the pro forma should only be signed once?
I get the temperature check piece, you can control that with one person doing that and filling in temperature with no contact with player.
Why do you get the temp check piece?
1- It is for people to do at home supposedly and come and declare their temp and record it at the pitch (no way to police_
2- Temp checks are a total waste of time and are only an arse covering exercise as you can have Covid with no temperature and you can have temperature with no covid.
3- f**k all professional businesses are doing it yet amateur GAA clubs are going to. Utter nonsense
That's the 2nd time you've stated this. In my experience most businesses are taking very strict measures to deal with 1. making sure people stay away if they are symptomatic (including temperature checking) 2. having the ability to support contact tracing if a case arose 3. promoting good hygiene behaviours
Let's also admit that there is a legal aspect to this too. There is going to be a tsunami of compensation claims globally from people who contracted the virus, built around the fact that the business/organisation didn't take appropriate steps to protect them. The GAA are trying to cover themselves.
Quote from: StephenC on June 12, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2020, 12:23:55 PM
Quote from: City Dweller on June 12, 2020, 11:31:41 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:38:50 AM
If truth be told, I think forcing parents/players to sign a pro forma questionnaire before every session is little more than an exercise in killing unfortunate trees, as a) if someone is now feeling unwell, the chances are they've been spreading for weeks, and b) nobody in the history of the world has ever read the questions or thought about the answers on a pro forma document, after they've completed it a couple of to times.
But the rest of it I'm finding difficult to argue with. I don't like it. But I can see the merits.
Signing in every session is the bit I don't get. Sharing pen? Surely the pro forma should only be signed once?
I get the temperature check piece, you can control that with one person doing that and filling in temperature with no contact with player.
Why do you get the temp check piece?
1- It is for people to do at home supposedly and come and declare their temp and record it at the pitch (no way to police_
2- Temp checks are a total waste of time and are only an arse covering exercise as you can have Covid with no temperature and you can have temperature with no covid.
3- f**k all professional businesses are doing it yet amateur GAA clubs are going to. Utter nonsense
That's the 2nd time you've stated this. In my experience most businesses are taking very strict measures to deal with 1. making sure people stay away if they are symptomatic (including temperature checking) 2. having the ability to support contact tracing if a case arose 3. promoting good hygiene behaviours
Let's also admit that there is a legal aspect to this too. There is going to be a tsunami of compensation claims globally from people who contracted the virus, built around the fact that the business/organisation didn't take appropriate steps to protect them. The GAA are trying to cover themselves.
And putting the onus on who?
The clubs ::)
Actually it's the individual.
If a GAA club follows these measures, the only way a virus spreads on GAA grounds is if either a) the individual lies on their attendance sheet, b) the individual is carrying covid with no obvious signs, as proven by the signature on their attendance sheet. In either case, the Association would not be liable.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 01:30:07 PM
Actually it's the individual.
If a GAA club follows these measures, the only way a virus spreads on GAA grounds is if either a) the individual lies on their attendance sheet, b) the individual is carrying covid with no obvious signs, as proven by the signature on their attendance sheet. In either case, the Association would not be liable.
But the GAA are making it incredibly difficult for volunteers to have to carry out all of these actions - by the way I dont know the solution but it does feel that the GAA are making it incredibly stringent and saying do all of this - and if you fail on any of these its you the cllub who are liable - not us
Quote from: Taylor on June 12, 2020, 01:44:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 01:30:07 PM
Actually it's the individual.
If a GAA club follows these measures, the only way a virus spreads on GAA grounds is if either a) the individual lies on their attendance sheet, b) the individual is carrying covid with no obvious signs, as proven by the signature on their attendance sheet. In either case, the Association would not be liable.
But the GAA are making it incredibly difficult for volunteers to have to carry out all of these actions - by the way I dont know the solution but it does feel that the GAA are making it incredibly stringent and saying do all of this - and if you fail on any of these its you the cllub who are liable - not us
That's not it at all. If a club carries out these steps, then the individual is responsible, as they cannot claim that the club didn't take reasonable measures to prevent the spread.
Quote from: StephenC on June 12, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2020, 12:23:55 PM
Quote from: City Dweller on June 12, 2020, 11:31:41 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:38:50 AM
If truth be told, I think forcing parents/players to sign a pro forma questionnaire before every session is little more than an exercise in killing unfortunate trees, as a) if someone is now feeling unwell, the chances are they've been spreading for weeks, and b) nobody in the history of the world has ever read the questions or thought about the answers on a pro forma document, after they've completed it a couple of to times.
But the rest of it I'm finding difficult to argue with. I don't like it. But I can see the merits.
Signing in every session is the bit I don't get. Sharing pen? Surely the pro forma should only be signed once?
I get the temperature check piece, you can control that with one person doing that and filling in temperature with no contact with player.
Why do you get the temp check piece?
1- It is for people to do at home supposedly and come and declare their temp and record it at the pitch (no way to police_
2- Temp checks are a total waste of time and are only an arse covering exercise as you can have Covid with no temperature and you can have temperature with no covid.
3- f**k all professional businesses are doing it yet amateur GAA clubs are going to. Utter nonsense
That's the 2nd time you've stated this. In my experience most businesses are taking very strict measures to deal with 1. making sure people stay away if they are symptomatic (including temperature checking) 2. having the ability to support contact tracing if a case arose 3. promoting good hygiene behaviours
Let's also admit that there is a legal aspect to this too. There is going to be a tsunami of compensation claims globally from people who contracted the virus, built around the fact that the business/organisation didn't take appropriate steps to protect them. The GAA are trying to cover themselves.
It may be the 2nd time but it is true regarding temperature checks. The vast vast vast majority of businesses are not doing them, mostly because it give you no data worth talking about. If you dont believe me take a walk through your local town and do a survey on how many businesses are checking your temperature. As i have said to you before I work in a large Pharma company, 1000+ people today. We talk to all the other factories in our region regularly. Only 1 has implemented temp checks and the reason they did it is because some people on the production floor threatened to walk out if they didnt (if you know unions you will know its pointless sometimes arguing)
What companies do is advise people to stay at home if sick, appeal to their better nature in terms of infecting others, educate people regards to social distancing. We cannot force anyone to do anything. The GAA is amazingly trying to go steps further than big pharma companies!
Quote from: StephenC on June 12, 2020, 01:52:33 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 12, 2020, 01:44:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 01:30:07 PM
Actually it's the individual.
If a GAA club follows these measures, the only way a virus spreads on GAA grounds is if either a) the individual lies on their attendance sheet, b) the individual is carrying covid with no obvious signs, as proven by the signature on their attendance sheet. In either case, the Association would not be liable.
But the GAA are making it incredibly difficult for volunteers to have to carry out all of these actions - by the way I dont know the solution but it does feel that the GAA are making it incredibly stringent and saying do all of this - and if you fail on any of these its you the cllub who are liable - not us
That's not it at all. If a club carries out these steps, then the individual is responsible, as they cannot claim that the club didn't take reasonable measures to prevent the spread.
If the purpose of all this is to insulate the GAA from compensation claims in the event of a wave of infections among members and players, it is beyond futile. Management cannot absolve their company or organisation from vicarious liability by shoving responsibility onto underlings.
Lets be honest - clubs are not going to maintain this rigmarole.
Online training boxes will be ticked, hand sanitizers and signage will appear and parents / players will get the appropriate documents. Health Qs may get completed once or twice to ensure there is a buy in / understanding or requirements / paper trail but very quickly it'll be as you were.
The GAA were obviously obliged to roll out these protocols but in reality they are impractical and will get lip service.
My kids have been back at soccer this week and there is not the slightest mention of any of the steps GAA clubs are required to roll out. Drop off and pick up at a council field - that is it.
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 12, 2020, 02:56:02 PM
Lets be honest - clubs are not going to maintain this rigmarole.
Online training boxes will be ticked, hand sanitizers and signage will appear and parents / players will get the appropriate documents. Health Qs may get completed once or twice to ensure there is a buy in / understanding or requirements / paper trail but very quickly it'll be as you were.
The GAA were obviously obliged to roll out these protocols but in reality they are impractical and will get lip service.
My kids have been back at soccer this week and there is not the slightest mention of any of the steps GAA clubs are required to roll out. Drop off and pick up at a council field - that is it.
FAI are even worse, theyve given no guidelines yet at all.
The shambles left by John Delaney means they are paying the price at all levels now. They haven't the funds to restart the Airtricity League and test players.
Comparisons with soccer/FAI is setting a very low bar.
In some ways. However, soccer is providing easy access to training and games and we are not.
I heard today that there is updated guidelines coming over the weekend and the checks etc will be less onerous than previously though. No temperature checks at the ground was the big one. To be fair they can only deal with the information or direction they have at the time and currently that is changing week by week from the government.
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 12, 2020, 04:39:50 PM
I heard today that there is updated guidelines coming over the weekend and the checks etc will be less onerous than previously though. No temperature checks at the ground was the big one. To be fair they can only deal with the information or direction they have at the time and currently that is changing week by week from the government.
Temperature checks are not very effective. But in this new environment you cannot have the usual "it's only a sniffle, you can play rightly" approach which might have existed in the past. People have to act responsibly and clubs would be wise to get people to agree to do so and that this stuff is not just bureaucracy but there is a real reason behind it.
Health questionnaire to be completed just once, prior to first training. Then up to parents / players to inform the Covid supervisor if there has been a change in temperature. And no temperatures to be taken at the ground; they are to be done at home.
Those changes seem to be sensible.
How are referees and players supposed to deal with coughing, spitting and nostril clearing during a game? Of the non-intentional type toward an opponent, obviously intentional discharges at an opponent is a red card.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 12, 2020, 05:34:58 PM
Health questionnaire to be completed just once, prior to first training. Then up to parents / players to inform the Covid supervisor if there has been a change in temperature. And no temperatures to be taken at the ground; they are to be done at home.
Those changes seem to be sensible.
Agree, some good changes here.
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2020, 02:04:19 PM
Quote from: StephenC on June 12, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2020, 12:23:55 PM
Quote from: City Dweller on June 12, 2020, 11:31:41 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:38:50 AM
If truth be told, I think forcing parents/players to sign a pro forma questionnaire before every session is little more than an exercise in killing unfortunate trees, as a) if someone is now feeling unwell, the chances are they've been spreading for weeks, and b) nobody in the history of the world has ever read the questions or thought about the answers on a pro forma document, after they've completed it a couple of to times.
But the rest of it I'm finding difficult to argue with. I don't like it. But I can see the merits.
Signing in every session is the bit I don't get. Sharing pen? Surely the pro forma should only be signed once?
I get the temperature check piece, you can control that with one person doing that and filling in temperature with no contact with player.
Why do you get the temp check piece?
1- It is for people to do at home supposedly and come and declare their temp and record it at the pitch (no way to police_
2- Temp checks are a total waste of time and are only an arse covering exercise as you can have Covid with no temperature and you can have temperature with no covid.
3- f**k all professional businesses are doing it yet amateur GAA clubs are going to. Utter nonsense
That's the 2nd time you've stated this. In my experience most businesses are taking very strict measures to deal with 1. making sure people stay away if they are symptomatic (including temperature checking) 2. having the ability to support contact tracing if a case arose 3. promoting good hygiene behaviours
Let's also admit that there is a legal aspect to this too. There is going to be a tsunami of compensation claims globally from people who contracted the virus, built around the fact that the business/organisation didn't take appropriate steps to protect them. The GAA are trying to cover themselves.
It may be the 2nd time but it is true regarding temperature checks. The vast vast vast majority of businesses are not doing them, mostly because it give you no data worth talking about. If you dont believe me take a walk through your local town and do a survey on how many businesses are checking your temperature. As i have said to you before I work in a large Pharma company, 1000+ people today. We talk to all the other factories in our region regularly. Only 1 has implemented temp checks and the reason they did it is because some people on the production floor threatened to walk out if they didnt (if you know unions you will know its pointless sometimes arguing)
What companies do is advise people to stay at home if sick, appeal to their better nature in terms of infecting others, educate people regards to social distancing. We cannot force anyone to do anything. The GAA is amazingly trying to go steps further than big pharma companies!
In a similar situation myself. The majority of large employers in our area (1000+) are taking temperatures; we aren't because the medical advice in it is not clear.
Glad to see some changes in the latest document
https://www.gaa.ie/news/covid-19-club-education-programme-unveiled-for-clubs/
Given the GAA's great record in enforcing their rules e.g 13 day window,intercounty training bans in winter,its almost a given half the country will be in contact training in July! They need to ensure this does not happen and take serious sanctions to those who abuse it. Already clubs doing this and its not on.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 12, 2020, 05:34:58 PM
Health questionnaire to be completed just once, prior to first training. Then up to parents / players to inform the Covid supervisor if there has been a change in temperature. And no temperatures to be taken at the ground; they are to be done at home.
Those changes seem to be sensible.
Temperature checks were never to be completed by the club. This is a very widely misinformed statement. The onus was on the player or parent/guardian to fill in the Questionnaire before training, including temperature and submit to club. Only if there was no temperature recorded was the club to intervene. However, now the questionnaire only needs to be done once, online, and it has been reinforced that clubs are not expected to check temperatures.
If the guidelines are followed, it makes sense and in reality is the best we can hope for. Unless there was a treatment/cure, the return to games was never going to be an exact science.
Let's stop the complaining, get the clubs geared up and play some games
Quote from: supersub on June 13, 2020, 11:56:19 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 12, 2020, 05:34:58 PM
Health questionnaire to be completed just once, prior to first training. Then up to parents / players to inform the Covid supervisor if there has been a change in temperature. And no temperatures to be taken at the ground; they are to be done at home.
Those changes seem to be sensible.
Temperature checks were never to be completed by the club. This is a very widely misinformed statement. The onus was on the player or parent/guardian to fill in the Questionnaire before training, including temperature and submit to club. Only if there was no temperature recorded was the club to intervene. However, now the questionnaire only needs to be done once, online, and it has been reinforced that clubs are not expected to check temperatures.
If the guidelines are followed, it makes sense and in reality is the best we can hope for. Unless there was a treatment/cure, the return to games was never going to be an exact science.
Let's stop the complaining, get the clubs geared up and play some games
+1 well said
Quote from: Itchy on June 12, 2020, 07:57:34 PM
Glad to see some changes in the latest document
https://www.gaa.ie/news/covid-19-club-education-programme-unveiled-for-clubs/
They're planning on rolling out an online system for tracking players temperature in two weeks 🤔 Given the GAAs track record with delivering on IT projects I can't see this happening, I would imagine a committee came up with this idea without any idea of how to role it out. Technically its not hard, but integrating and supporting all the clubs in the country is.
It does say that temperatures still have to be checked just not recorded is that correct?
So temperatures still have to be checked?
Not as daunting as first thought as online form only needs filled out prior to the first session and recorded.
The GAA are actually going above and beyond here so it's time to except things are moving and we need to get back at it. Negative people will always find things to pick holes in. Few men on here only a few weeks ago saying we won't be back until 2022 at the earliest
With an online form to be completed how will they do this? Will they have to use their unique GAA number to ensure they have the correct person?
Quote from: Square Ball on June 14, 2020, 11:11:47 AM
With an online form to be completed how will they do this? Will they have to use their unique GAA number to ensure they have the correct person?
I doubt they know themselves, servasport looked after alot of this stuff for the gaa, are they still going?
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-insists-members-data-is-safe-despite-it-firms-financial-trouble-38268534.html
Quote from: thebackbar1 on June 14, 2020, 01:38:05 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 14, 2020, 11:11:47 AM
With an online form to be completed how will they do this? Will they have to use their unique GAA number to ensure they have the correct person?
I doubt they know themselves, servasport looked after alot of this stuff for the gaa, are they still going?
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-insists-members-data-is-safe-despite-it-firms-financial-trouble-38268534.html
They may be down but the website is still going and still used for registration. They may be able to do something, but how many out there know their number?
GAA Hq brought / bought servasport staff over to maintain database after the company failed
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 14, 2020, 08:50:53 AM
It does say that temperatures still have to be checked just not recorded is that correct?
So temperatures still have to be checked?
Not as daunting as first thought as online form only needs filled out prior to the first session and recorded.
The GAA are actually going above and beyond here so it's time to except things are moving and we need to get back at it. Negative people will always find things to pick holes in. Few men on here only a few weeks ago saying we won't be back until 2022 at the earliest
It says clubs will not be expected to record temperatures before each session. It doesn't mention checking.
No point second guessing the IT side. There's a webinar Tuesday evening to explain exactly these sort of things.
Some inter county teams are back 3 weeks doing full contact training and some clubs didn't stop training.
There is some useful information available from the GAA here.
https://learning.gaa.ie/covid19resources
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 15, 2020, 12:06:20 AM
Some inter county teams are back 3 weeks doing full contact training and some clubs didn't stop training.
Have you informed Croke Park?
Did anyone join the webinar last night?
It seems Cul Camps are going ahead this year then - strange considering the 2m rule is applied in all other leisure activities for the foreseeable future
Quote from: Taylor on June 17, 2020, 09:35:12 AM
Did anyone join the webinar last night?
Was too late for it but it's supposed to be going up on the website later today. The slides from it are available here:
https://learning.gaa.ie/covid19resources
Quote from: Taylor on June 17, 2020, 09:44:19 AM
It seems Cul Camps are going ahead this year then - strange considering the 2m rule is applied in all other leisure activities for the foreseeable future
Games involving contact are allowed from July 20th, aren't they? That's when the Cúl Camps start. Better hope it doesn't rain mind you.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 17, 2020, 10:53:08 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 17, 2020, 09:44:19 AM
It seems Cul Camps are going ahead this year then - strange considering the 2m rule is applied in all other leisure activities for the foreseeable future
Games involving contact are allowed from July 20th, aren't they? That's when the Cúl Camps start. Better hope it doesn't rain mind you.
Seems that way Seanie - publicans will be looking on in envy
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 17, 2020, 10:53:08 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 17, 2020, 09:44:19 AM
It seems Cul Camps are going ahead this year then - strange considering the 2m rule is applied in all other leisure activities for the foreseeable future
Games involving contact are allowed from July 20th, aren't they? That's when the Cúl Camps start. Better hope it doesn't rain mind you.
It's all about the money I'm afraid.
Asking kids parents to pay €65/£55 for 2 hours rather than the normal 5 hours a day for 5 days and a jersey, bag and half zip at the end.
Coaches/teenagers will be required to do two camps a day.
Should have been a reduced rate in the very least.
Quote from: Taylor on June 17, 2020, 09:35:12 AM
Did anyone join the webinar last night?
I was watching it, was basically going through the guidelines handed out last week and giving more clarity on them, it will be up later today, some good info on it
The most interesting bit of information I took from the webinar last night was that it looks like the GAA will not make a full team self-isolate if one of their players tests postive. It looks like the other members of the team will be deemed to be a "casual contact".
Quote from: Taylor on June 17, 2020, 09:44:19 AM
It seems Cul Camps are going ahead this year then - strange considering the 2m rule is applied in all other leisure activities for the foreseeable future
I see our neighbours in Leitrim not doing them this year.
Are the age groups still going u15 and u17 in January
Quote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2020, 03:42:51 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 17, 2020, 09:44:19 AM
It seems Cul Camps are going ahead this year then - strange considering the 2m rule is applied in all other leisure activities for the foreseeable future
I see our neighbours in Leitrim not doing them this year.
Down aren't doing them either
Ros CB going ahead with them.
Limit of 100 per location.
So the clubs are responsible for all the signage, sanitiser, cleaning etc for the Cúl Camp. I'm becoming less and less a fan of them. The coaching is mediocre at best yet clubs are forced into not running their own camps.
Any sign of a template for the inter county games yet? Dates etc.
Think they will wait until the government confirm they will move into the appropriate phase at the given time before announcing anything concrete for inter county.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2020, 07:43:14 AM
Any sign of a template for the inter county games yet? Dates etc.
Just a rumour I heard but for what it's worth...
NFL 17th and 24th October.
Football knockout based on Provinces, no Qualifiers.
Hurling Provincials knock out but there will be Qualifiers for the losers. Didn't say what if anything is planned for McDonagh, Ring etc.
Also Minor football and hurling plus tail end of U20 football and full U20 Hurling to be considered.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0618/1148331-gaa-close-to-spelling-out-championship-plans/