2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm

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Angelo

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 09:35:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 04:49:45 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 04:26:31 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.

Whataboutery bis important in terms of balance.

Some people don't want balance.


Thank you, you make my point for me.

Your point is that you want to talk out both sides of your mouth. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: omaghjoe on June 11, 2019, 10:02:29 PM
Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents?

Very simply, by the lack of decency, the degree of violence, the harm or injury inflicted and the absence of sportsmanship to name a few baselines or comparators.

No other comparisons to similar bad acts are needed. It is purely down to knowledge of what is right and wrong during a sporting competition.

omaghjoe

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 11:58:52 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 11, 2019, 10:02:29 PM
Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents?

Very simply, by the lack of decency, the degree of violence, the harm or injury inflicted and the absence of sportsmanship to name a few baselines or comparators.

No other comparisons to similar bad acts are needed. It is purely down to knowledge of what is right and wrong during a sporting competition.

Your proving my point as what youve proposed is totally subjective......  nevermind putting a quantitative measure on them but what does"lack of decency" and "absence of sportsmanship" objectively translate too?

tonto1888

Quote from: omaghjoe on June 11, 2019, 10:02:29 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 11, 2019, 04:58:56 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 04:26:31 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.
You're very bitter against Tyrone,  what happened?

My attitude to Tyrone has not changed.

This post is not about Tyrone, it is equally applicable to all those engaged in whataboutery regarding unacceptable behaviour of players, mostly in this thread some Tyrone and Dublin posters and the battling posts being used to justify one action by pointing out another was as bad or worse.


Your attitude to Tyrone has not changed since when exactly? 2003 & 2005 make no difference at all  ;)

Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents? Its the basis of law and science

Following your subjective (or anyone else's) perception of an event is far more flawed, and your indignation that people dont do so smacks of arrogance

You are aware football existed before 2003 right?

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: omaghjoe on June 12, 2019, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 11:58:52 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 11, 2019, 10:02:29 PM
Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents?

Very simply, by the lack of decency, the degree of violence, the harm or injury inflicted and the absence of sportsmanship to name a few baselines or comparators.

No other comparisons to similar bad acts are needed. It is purely down to knowledge of what is right and wrong during a sporting competition.

Your proving my point as what youve proposed is totally subjective......  nevermind putting a quantitative measure on them but what does"lack of decency" and "absence of sportsmanship" objectively translate too?

When you have to ask those questions you have lost your way and any argument.

omaghjoe

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 12, 2019, 09:08:14 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 12, 2019, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 11:58:52 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 11, 2019, 10:02:29 PM
Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents?

Very simply, by the lack of decency, the degree of violence, the harm or injury inflicted and the absence of sportsmanship to name a few baselines or comparators.

No other comparisons to similar bad acts are needed. It is purely down to knowledge of what is right and wrong during a sporting competition.

Your proving my point as what youve proposed is totally subjective......  nevermind putting a quantitative measure on them but what does"lack of decency" and "absence of sportsmanship" objectively translate too?

When you have to ask those questions you have lost your way and any argument.

Eh no... when one stops discussing the point and resort to telling g the other person in the discussion they have lost the argument is exactly the point that one has lost the argument

greatpoint


southtyronegael


trueblue1234

Decision on McCann. About right IMO. Hope Tyrone accept and move on.

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Tyrone's Tiernan McCann has been handed a proposed two-match ban by GAA disciplinary bosses following the controversial incident in the Ulster SFC semi-final defeat by Donegal.

TV pictures showed McCann's right hand making contact with the mouth of Stephen McMenamin and also appearing to step on the Donegal man's neck.

Referee David Gough did not see the incident, but the CCCC reviewed it.

The ruling relates to both offences, with the bans to run concurrently.

The two-match penalty is understood to have been proposed by the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee and the player now has the option of accepting the sanction or appealing against it.

The Tyrone player appeared to attempt to wrest McMenamin's gum shield out of his mouth as the Donegal player was on his back on the Kingspan Breffni turf and the Killyclogher man then seemed to catch the defender's neck with a boot.

BBC Sport Northern Ireland GAA Championship pundit Oisin McConville described McCann's behaviour as "inexcusable", adding that GAA bosses were "bound to take a look at it".

McConville's fellow BBC analyst Martin Clarke also described the incident as "not a good look".

If McCann's proposed sanction does remain in place, he will miss Tyrone's All-Ireland qualifier against Longford at Pearse Park on Saturday, 22 June.
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

Sandy Hill

"Stercus accidit"

tyrone08

Quote from: Sandy Hill on June 14, 2019, 11:48:50 AM
So he has in effect just a one match ban?

Going by previous punishments for more serious incidents a one match ban was all he could have received but somehow he got a 2 match man. Regardless of the fact that he is injured it is still a 2 match ban.   

smelmoth

Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

under the bar

Two match ban more than enough.  Let's all laugh at the the ass-holes who were calling for a season long ban

greatpoint

Quote from: under the bar on June 14, 2019, 07:18:56 PM
Two match ban more than enough.  Let's all laugh at the the ass-holes who were calling for a season long ban

What an unusual take. Hardly a Tyrone fan?

Square Ball

Think a two game ban is a disgrace, sends out the wrong message, should have been longer and used as a deterrent for the future from
Hospitals are not equipped to treat stupid