"there are simply too many teams in the round robin"

[seafoid]

The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem.  The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/

[Blowitupref]

The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem.  The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/

Tailteann cup was mainly brought in to avoid one sided games and 1st round of that this year had plenty of one-sided games.  Doesn't matter what format or amount of changes are made one-sided games will always happen.

[Gmac]

The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem.  The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/

the current league should be championship with home and away games , same structure winners get promoted bottom 2 relegated , division 1 winners are all Ireland champions. Only way to help weaker counties give them something to build towards  and have a goal

[thewobbler]

The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem.  The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/

Tailteann cup was mainly brought in to avoid one sided games and 1st round of that this year had plenty of one-sided games.  Doesn't matter what format or amount of changes are made one-sided games will always happen.

The format absolutely matters.

Don't create a format that delays the inevitable.

We don't need 18 "championship" matches to turn 16 teams into 12. The National League has already done the weeding for us.

The championship should be knockout, knockout, knockout.

[High Fielder]

One of the weaknesses of county based teams is the lack of opportunities for skilful players in weaker counties. There is very little chance of smaller counties producing 15 good players on an ongoing basis. But they could and usually do have 1 or 2. I'd like to see a way for those players to be accommodated. Perhaps a Provincial side made up of losing counties could be a thought

[Blowitupref]

The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem.  The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/

Tailteann cup was mainly brought in to avoid one sided games and 1st round of that this year had plenty of one-sided games.  Doesn't matter what format or amount of changes are made one-sided games will always happen.

The format absolutely matters.

Don't create a format that delays the inevitable.

We don't need 18 "championship" matches to turn 16 teams into 12. The National League has already done the weeding for us.

The championship should be knockout, knockout, knockout.

My point is on mis-matches. They can't be avoided no matter if its a group format, knock out or have tiers.

[Fuzzman]

Usually the mismatches are matches between the top 4 or 5 teams in Division 1 against a team from mid Division 2 or lower.
So for example Dubs v Louth, Galway v Sligo, Kerry v Clare.
Louth gave most teams in Div 2 this year a run for their money including Derry and so should be able to get a few meaningful matches against teams of similar level or teams struggling in Div 1

In my eyes Dubs, Kerry, Galway/Mayo are the main culprits for giving lower division teams a hiding. They usually get to the AI quarterfinals most seasons anyway so why not say the top four in Div 1 or the four provincial winners qualify for the quarters.
Then the rest fight it out for the remaining 4 places by having matches with teams of similar level as them.
Imagine teams like Cork or Galway having to come up to face Monaghan, Armagh, Derry or Tyrone.

It would also make the leagues a lot more exciting with all Div 1 teams pushing for top four.

[seafoid]

Usually the mismatches are matches between the top 4 or 5 teams in Division 1 against a team from mid Division 2 or lower.
So for example Dubs v Louth, Galway v Sligo, Kerry v Clare.
Louth gave most teams in Div 2 this year a run for their money including Derry and so should be able to get a few meaningful matches against teams of similar level or teams struggling in Div 1

In my eyes Dubs, Kerry, Galway/Mayo are the main culprits for giving lower division teams a hiding. They usually get to the AI quarterfinals most seasons anyway so why not say the top four in Div 1 or the four provincial winners qualify for the quarters.
Then the rest fight it out for the remaining 4 places by having matches with teams of similar level as them.
Imagine teams like Cork or Galway having to come up to face Monaghan, Armagh, Derry or Tyrone.

It would also make the leagues a lot more exciting with all Div 1 teams pushing for top four.

Good idea

[Wildweasel74]

Top 2 qualifying was the only was to go, but big worry over the last game been a dead rubber for 1 team with another badly needing the win.

[AustinPowers]

This expanded  league group thing  reminds me of the new  plans for the  champions league.  People protested  about the super  league plans , but not vabout the new CL format, bizarrely.

It's mental the  amount of games. In effect ,  4x4 teams is double  what the super 8's were.  Plus there'll be  4 playoffs  after that , THEN the quarter finals! It's mad. It's  just one big cash cow.  And the gaa's  way of  squeezing plenty of dough from the  condensed season  while at the same time vsaying they  are looking after players welfare .

I heard  an interview about the new format (can't recall who it was) , and being asked about why was the draw made before the provincials. He said  something about wanting to give  fans and  teams time to  prepare  etc.  A lot of nonsense!  They  didn't care too much in previous years when  they   rattled off qualifiers  like the Benny hill  theme  tune.  Cork playing in  Antrim on week , now you're going up to Derry the following week. Fans  and  teams getting maybe 3 or 4 days to plan  their trips, book time off etc.

[IolarCoisCuain]

One of the weaknesses of county based teams is the lack of opportunities for skilful players in weaker counties. There is very little chance of smaller counties producing 15 good players on an ongoing basis. But they could and usually do have 1 or 2. I'd like to see a way for those players to be accommodated. Perhaps a Provincial side made up of losing counties could be a thought

There's only one way to help weaker counties. Income from all counties is pooled and redistributed equally among all counties, so Leitrim get the same share as Dublin or Kerry or Mayo. And pigs will fly before that happens I'm afraid.

[Rossfan]

If you give Leitrim CB €1m they'll still have a population of 35k.
If you only give Dublin €100k they'll still have a population of 1.4m.
"Too many teams in Round Robin" is suggesting a 3rd Tier.

[thewobbler]

The more I think about it, the GAA's master plan here is to do this for 2 years, then the outcry against boredom, mismatches, player burnout and disinterest, cost and distance of travel for supporters, will neatly usher in a return to the super 8s. And we will thankful for it.

The Super 8s would generate more cash in 12 games than this current format's 18 games and quarter final qualifiers and for a lot less hassle. I'm sure of it.

[Rossfan]

 

[Eire90]

The GAA wants to avoid one sided games but does nothing to promote competition.
Even at the quarter final stage last year 3 out of 4 matches were one-sided.
This is a big problem.  The Dublin situation is also a problem for the all Ireland with the other Leinster teams weakened.
Finding 8 decent teams is a struggle. Finding 16 is impossible.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/17/sean-moran-there-are-simply-too-many-teams-in-the-all-ireland-round-robin/

the current league should be championship with home and away games , same structure winners get promoted bottom 2 relegated , division 1 winners are all Ireland champions. Only way to help weaker counties give them something to build towards  and have a goal

would that getting rid of all ireland semi finals maybe you go do top 4 into semis or maybe 2nd v 3rd in a semi you would not want to get rid of the occasion of an ireland semi final