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Re: Sam Maguire permutations
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2023, 09:45:32 AM »
Surely the provincial championship will be done away with now , itís plain to see , get your seeding from the national league Solely and it also makes the league very important at the same time . It would also give it more time to spread the championship instead of such a condensed season .
I hope they don't. As we saw yesterday, it's still alive if they don't actively try and kill them. It's cups where some might win who otherwise have no chance of bigger. If we have the rewards available for them, i.e. seedings, then counties will still want them. And I see no reason why we shouldn't protect them. It'll take a few years of this system (with a few tiny tweaks) to see what counties will favour. I expect they will still want to do well in provincials, to get a good seeding, than maybe sitting at home for 6 weeks and to then get a 3rd or 4th seed. The League has it's merits, I just don't see the need to gut provincial championships in order to double reward League form in the Spring. We need to be careful what we wish for here. GAA has always been about Championship, and should be that way

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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2023, 10:20:38 AM »
Surely the provincial championship will be done away with now , itís plain to see , get your seeding from the national league Solely and it also makes the league very important at the same time . It would also give it more time to spread the championship instead of such a condensed season .
Can see it both ways, Connacht is making a mockery of it as a division 4 team is going to be in the final having only beaten other d4 teams. They donít deserve to be in the SM and should be in the TC. Although if Down or Cavan happen to get to and Ulster final it would be harsh on them to not qualify for Sam.

If they want to retain the link between provincials and the AI series then the best workaround solution would be to seed the provincial draws. Then we would avoid a situation where a division 4 side could end up in the AI series by virtue of a lucky draw which will be in the case in Connacht this year.   

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Re: Sam Maguire permutations
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2023, 10:42:34 AM »
How would you seed Leinster?
1 Dublin
2 the rest?
Everyone is excited by yesterday's game and the Ros/Rhubarbs game. 2 games between Div 1 teams of course.
There were 3 Leinster prelim games last weekend.anyone recall them?
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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2023, 10:44:36 AM »
Does the recent Roscommon win qualify as rhubarb crumble ?
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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2023, 11:13:31 AM »
The 3rd seed permutations have been narrowed down to:
Mayo
Tyrone
Loser of Roscommon/Galway
Loser of Derry/Monaghan

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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2023, 11:21:54 AM »
How would you seed Leinster?
1 Dublin
2 the rest?
Everyone is excited by yesterday's game and the Ros/Rhubarbs game. 2 games between Div 1 teams of course.
There were 3 Leinster prelim games last weekend.anyone recall them?

Well you still had 2 other teams from Leinster who finished in the top 14 of the League, so they were at least in the conversation. Any other team in Leinster who get past Kildare or Meath to a final will deserve it. Seed them by who's in the top 2 divisions for the upcoming year

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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2023, 11:27:23 AM »
The 3rd seed permutations have been narrowed down to:
Mayo
Tyrone
Loser of Roscommon/Galway
Loser of Derry/Monaghan

One super16 group could possibly be...

Kerry (or Dub)
Armagh (Ulster final loss)
Mayo
A/N other

or

Dublin
Derry
Tyrone
A/N other

Farcical

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Re: Sam Maguire permutations
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2023, 11:43:55 AM »
How exactly is it farcical?
Is it not more farcical calling it "super16" ;D
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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2023, 11:44:24 AM »
The 3rd seed permutations have been narrowed down to:
Mayo
Tyrone
Loser of Roscommon/Galway
Loser of Derry/Monaghan

One super16 group could possibly be...

Kerry (or Dub)
Armagh (Ulster final loss)
Mayo
A/N other

or

Dublin
Derry
Tyrone
A/N other

Farcical
Why would it be farcical? Aren't top games what was wanted? 3 come out of the group, it'll be cutthroat. Bring it on

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Re: Sam Maguire permutations
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2023, 11:52:28 AM »
you can be sure that Tyrone will end up in a group of death.

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Re: Sam Maguire permutations
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2023, 11:52:45 AM »
Surely the provincial championship will be done away with now , itís plain to see , get your seeding from the national league Solely and it also makes the league very important at the same time . It would also give it more time to spread the championship instead of such a condensed season .
Can see it both ways, Connacht is making a mockery of it as a division 4 team is going to be in the final having only beaten other d4 teams. They donít deserve to be in the SM and should be in the TC. Although if Down or Cavan happen to get to and Ulster final it would be harsh on them to not qualify for Sam.

If they want to retain the link between provincials and the AI series then the best workaround solution would be to seed the provincial draws. Then we would avoid a situation where a division 4 side could end up in the AI series by virtue of a lucky draw which will be in the case in Connacht this year.
They could give the provincial winner two home games?
Or one home game and one in the province - so Derry could eg play one in Derry and one in Clones. That is a benefit worth having.

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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2023, 12:07:35 PM »
3 teams getting through in groups of 4 is nonsense really. Just means there will be loads of dead rubbers and even now we will likely have Sligo in one group making the group itself a dead rubber. Is it a money thing dragging it out with 3 teams going through?

The moaning will start about these sweet 16 groups soon enough! Once the knockout element is taken away there is a lack of jeopardy and edge. We will likely get 4 groups with Westmeath, Sligo and probably Clare getting knocked out.

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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2023, 12:10:29 PM »
The 3 out of 4 is nonsense. Did they not learn from the super 8s?

In most cases it'll be win one game and you're through.

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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2023, 12:13:03 PM »
3 teams getting through in groups of 4 is nonsense really. Just means there will be loads of dead rubbers and even now we will likely have Sligo in one group making the group itself a dead rubber. Is it a money thing dragging it out with 3 teams going through?

The moaning will start about these sweet 16 groups soon enough! Once the knockout element is taken away there is a lack of jeopardy and edge. We will likely get 4 groups with Westmeath, Sligo and probably Clare getting knocked out.

I'm not a fan of the system but I think one of the reasons for 3 teams going through is to avoid dead rubbers. Every position in the group is important meaning nearly every game should have something at stake. First place important to avoid an extra match and get an easier quarter final. The teams at bottom will likely have chance to qualify right up to last day. And finishing second over third gives home advantage in the preliminary quarter final (and probably an easier game).

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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2023, 12:17:33 PM »
The 3 out of 4 is nonsense. Did they not learn from the super 8s?

In most cases it'll be win one game and you're through.
But that's the reason. There will be something to play for in the last round of games. 1st to go straight to quarters, 2nd for home advantage in the preliminary quarter, and 3rd and 4th will still be battling if they know that a single win might get them through. Not a fan of it myself, but I see the logic if they're going down the group route. I can't think of any set of circumstances where there will be nothing to play for in a group from top to bottom on the last day.