The DUP thread

Started by armaghniac, December 31, 2022, 05:22:31 PM

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drillsergeant

Quote from: GTP on March 30, 2024, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: gallsman on March 29, 2024, 09:23:34 PM
Quote from: GTP on March 29, 2024, 08:59:09 PMThe SF representatives mentioned are stepping down at the next election so again no bye election required.

Gildernew is contesting the European seat in June. Will she step down if elected? She should, but with Westminster election one a few months later I wonder would there be any point.
My understanding is dual mandates are not permitted so she would have to resign. Bye election would depend on if a general election was to be within the 3 months of resignation.

With General Election looming surely now the DUP are looking over there shoulders in South Antrim, East Belfast and now Lagan Valley.

Regarding FST - Sinn Fein will need a strong candidate to hold that seat. No doubt they face a unity Unionist Candidate with it going to the wire.

David McKeown

Quote from: screenexile on March 29, 2024, 12:10:51 PMYou're not allowed to name defendants for Sexual offences in the North.

Yes you are. You aren't allowed to name complainants
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red hander

Quote from: David McKeown on March 30, 2024, 12:49:23 AM
Quote from: screenexile on March 29, 2024, 12:10:51 PMYou're not allowed to name defendants for Sexual offences in the North.

Yes you are. You aren't allowed to name complainants

You can't name defendants if doing so identifies the complainants (ie sex offences committed within a family). However, if the complainants waive their right to anonymity, then the defendants can be named.

Dougal Maguire

Quote from: red hander on March 30, 2024, 01:59:59 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 30, 2024, 12:49:23 AM
Quote from: screenexile on March 29, 2024, 12:10:51 PMYou're not allowed to name defendants for Sexual offences in the North.

Yes you are. You aren't allowed to name complainants

You can't name defendants if doing so identifies the complainants (ie sex offences committed within a family). However, if the complainants waive their right to anonymity, then the defendants can be named.
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RedHand88

Quote from: Wee Barky on March 30, 2024, 12:00:49 AMIs it a coincidence this news broke just before a bank holiday weekend, or is that a cynical view ?

Not everything is a conspiracy.

bennydorano

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Quote from: RedHand88 on March 30, 2024, 06:21:58 AM
Quote from: Wee Barky on March 30, 2024, 12:00:49 AMIs it a coincidence this news broke just before a bank holiday weekend, or is that a cynical view ?

Not everything is a conspiracy.
I had thec exact same conversation with my Mrs yesterday funny enough. Gives it all time to die down over the long weekend.  I'd say there's been a political choice (or consideration at the very least) made on the timing of the arrest. It's just the way shit works, Chief constables are political beasts. - not to protect wee Jeff either but Stormont itself.

marty34

Quote from: bennydorano on March 30, 2024, 06:57:06 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 30, 2024, 06:21:58 AM
Quote from: Wee Barky on March 30, 2024, 12:00:49 AMIs it a coincidence this news broke just before a bank holiday weekend, or is that a cynical view ?

Not everything is a conspiracy.
I had thec exact same conversation with my Mrs yesterday funny enough. Gives it all time to die down over the long weekend.  I'd say there's been a political choice (or consideration at the very least) made on the timing of the arrest. It's just the way shit works, Chief constables are political beasts. - not to protect wee Jeff either but Stormont itself.

Yeah, timing is everything.

Plus no Nolan for a day or two!

JPGJOHNNYG

Quote from: drillsergeant on March 30, 2024, 12:27:26 AM
Quote from: GTP on March 30, 2024, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: gallsman on March 29, 2024, 09:23:34 PM
Quote from: GTP on March 29, 2024, 08:59:09 PMThe SF representatives mentioned are stepping down at the next election so again no bye election required.

Gildernew is contesting the European seat in June. Will she step down if elected? She should, but with Westminster election one a few months later I wonder would there be any point.
My understanding is dual mandates are not permitted so she would have to resign. Bye election would depend on if a general election was to be within the 3 months of resignation.

With General Election looming surely now the DUP are looking over there shoulders in South Antrim, East Belfast and now Lagan Valley.

Regarding FST - Sinn Fein will need a strong candidate to hold that seat. No doubt they face a unity Unionist Candidate with it going to the wire.

With demographic shift FST should finally be beyond Unionism even with a unity candidate. I think this year they will win comfortably, although comfortably in FST in recent years has been double figures😂.

Lagan valley most certainly is in play, will be interesting to see how the unionist community reacts to the Donaldson fall out, will they keep voting DUP to keep SF out, will they drift to the TUV headbangers. If the UUP don't massively profit from this crisis then they truly are finished.

SA now looks good for UUP. EB, LV and even EA and Strangford could big improvements for Alliance with maybe a couple of gains.

If the nationalist voters bothered to turn up in upper banned for a change then SF  could come through the middle of split unionist vote. EL is similar but would need a miracle perfect storm.

JPGJOHNNYG

Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 30, 2024, 07:57:12 AM
Quote from: drillsergeant on March 30, 2024, 12:27:26 AM
Quote from: GTP on March 30, 2024, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: gallsman on March 29, 2024, 09:23:34 PM
Quote from: GTP on March 29, 2024, 08:59:09 PMThe SF representatives mentioned are stepping down at the next election so again no bye election required.

Gildernew is contesting the European seat in June. Will she step down if elected? She should, but with Westminster election one a few months later I wonder would there be any point.
My understanding is dual mandates are not permitted so she would have to resign. Bye election would depend on if a general election was to be within the 3 months of resignation.

With General Election looming surely now the DUP are looking over there shoulders in South Antrim, East Belfast and now Lagan Valley.

Regarding FST - Sinn Fein will need a strong candidate to hold that seat. No doubt they face a unity Unionist Candidate with it going to the wire.

With demographic shift FST should finally be beyond Unionism even with a unity candidate. I think this year they will win comfortably, although comfortably in FST in recent years has been double figures😂.

Lagan valley most certainly is in play, will be interesting to see how the unionist community reacts to the Donaldson fall out, will they keep voting DUP to keep SF out, will they drift to the TUV headbangers. If the UUP don't massively profit from this crisis then they truly are finished.

SA now looks good for UUP. EB, LV and even EA and Strangford could see big improvements for Alliance with maybe a couple of gains.

If the nationalist voters bothered to turn up in upper bann for a change then SF  could come through the middle of a split unionist vote. EL is similar but would need a miracle perfect storm.

marty34

Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 30, 2024, 07:57:12 AM
Quote from: drillsergeant on March 30, 2024, 12:27:26 AM
Quote from: GTP on March 30, 2024, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: gallsman on March 29, 2024, 09:23:34 PM
Quote from: GTP on March 29, 2024, 08:59:09 PMThe SF representatives mentioned are stepping down at the next election so again no bye election required.

Gildernew is contesting the European seat in June. Will she step down if elected? She should, but with Westminster election one a few months later I wonder would there be any point.
My understanding is dual mandates are not permitted so she would have to resign. Bye election would depend on if a general election was to be within the 3 months of resignation.

With General Election looming surely now the DUP are looking over there shoulders in South Antrim, East Belfast and now Lagan Valley.

Regarding FST - Sinn Fein will need a strong candidate to hold that seat. No doubt they face a unity Unionist Candidate with it going to the wire.

With demographic shift FST should finally be beyond Unionism even with a unity candidate. I think this year they will win comfortably, although comfortably in FST in recent years has been double figures😂.

Lagan valley most certainly is in play, will be interesting to see how the unionist community reacts to the Donaldson fall out, will they keep voting DUP to keep SF out, will they drift to the TUV headbangers. If the UUP don't massively profit from this crisis then they truly are finished.

SA now looks good for UUP. EB, LV and even EA and Strangford could big improvements for Alliance with maybe a couple of gains.

If the nationalist voters bothered to turn up in upper banned for a change then SF  could come through the middle of split unionist vote. EL is similar but would need a miracle perfect storm.

I think all this will depend on the DUP's path over the next few weeks.

Will the 'no/never'people at WM take control of the party now and drive it further to the right?

Will they kick back against going back into Stormont? Now is their chance.

Will this renergise a united unionist party covering all strands of unionism?

Be interesting to see what their plan of action is.

It's all too early to state will will happens in 12 months. A week, as they say, is a long time in politics.


David McKeown

Quote from: red hander on March 30, 2024, 01:59:59 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 30, 2024, 12:49:23 AM
Quote from: screenexile on March 29, 2024, 12:10:51 PMYou're not allowed to name defendants for Sexual offences in the North.

Yes you are. You aren't allowed to name complainants

You can't name defendants if doing so identifies the complainants (ie sex offences committed within a family). However, if the complainants waive their right to anonymity, then the defendants can be named.

Yes jigsaw identification.  You cant publish any details that could lead to the identification of a complainant.  So the way that is usually done is if there's a familial relationship the press might say a man has appeared in court accused of raping his grandmother for example or Joe Bloggs has appeared in court accused of rape (but then provide no details as to the relationship with the complainant).  In the Donaldson case now that his name is out there, it will not be allowed to publish any details relating to the connection if any between him and the complainants.
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Eire90

what is the purpose of bringing down stormont again apart from it being some childish temper tantrum what do they want the tories or labour to give them

Armagh18

If this brings Stormont down it is surely time for something different.

Think it will be ok though.

RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2024, 10:18:23 AMIf this brings Stormont down it is surely time for something different.

Think it will be ok though.

Joint rule from Dublin and London.

An open threat to do that would likely be enough to keep them in.
i usse an speelchekor

Eire90

joint rule would give loyalists a reason to return to arms