May as well get it started.
Hard to call. Hope we have enough to get over them. Quietly confident but I'm sure Monaghan fans are feeling the same
Armagh need watch not getting over confident, think that happened last year against Galway.
I'd be reasonably confident of winning this one, we have too much firepower up front for Monaghan and they have a poor record in Croke Park.
Armagh are emotion. Monaghan are grind.
Monaghan by 2.
Not overly confident but then again I never am when it's comes to QFs. There are no easy ties but Monaghan is one team I wanted to avoid - I'm probably in the minority. I'd say both sets of fans are happy enough.
Fancy monaghan big time here,Armagh lacking any structure. Similar to Derry a very hard watch.Monaghan very strong in the middle third and strong going forward.
Quote from: kickingmule on June 26, 2023, 07:29:18 PM
Fancy monaghan big time here,Armagh lacking any structure. Similar to Derry a very hard watch.Monaghan very strong in the middle third and strong going forward.
You can't have watched Armagh much this year if you think they lack structure. The single biggest issue Armagh fans have had this year is that we are TOO structured.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2023, 06:55:58 PM
Armagh are emotion. Monaghan are grind.
Nail on head seafoid
But emotion will take over and drive to a semi final against Tyrone
Quote from: naka on June 26, 2023, 07:45:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2023, 06:55:58 PM
Armagh are emotion. Monaghan are grind.
Nail on head seafoid
But emotion will take over and drive to a semi final against Tyrone
I agree but we can't face Tyrone or Derry in a semi final.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 26, 2023, 06:42:49 PM
I'd be reasonably confident of winning this one, we have too much firepower up front for Monaghan and they have a poor record in Croke Park.
;D
You have to get to Croke Park in order to be beaten, at least we got there often enough whilst Armagh were getting lost on the way or well beaten before starting out.
Awh I have watched armagh quite alot this year and too structured is not how i would describe them. A management team lacking any real game plan other than this hard man image will certainly not cut it in croke Park.
Success is often about luck. If Monaghan could beat Armagh and Kerry could beat Tyrone , one of Monaghan's demons could be removed from the path.
Armagh supporters should be demanding a stand alone game to facilitate their 75k + fans...
Both had less than great league campaigns yet here we are with both one win away from reaching the last 4 of the championship. Monaghan instead of Armagh would have got relegated had Mayo not played a 2nd string side. Has been the finest of fine margins that prevented Armagh from winning Ulster this year and reaching the All Ireland semi final last year. Against Galway the last day won a fine margin contest has luck finally turned Kieran McGeeney's favour?
Both teams played Division 1 fball this year, been top 8 for awhile. Why would beating another top 8 ranked tram to reach a semi final be a big suprise.
This is a 50 50 game. No side significantly better than the other. Prob just fancy Monaghan as they've more experience but can't see much in it. I'm not expecting a classic.
Quote from: rrhf on June 26, 2023, 08:17:06 PM
Armagh supporters should be demanding a stand alone game to facilitate their 75k + fans...
The Nou Camp it is then!
This is the first game in a long long time following Armagh I am utterly convinced we will win and win well.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2023, 09:54:51 PM
This is the first game in a long long time following Armagh I am utterly convinced we will win and win well.
The curse of football death.
If Monaghan bring their last day of the League face to this match, Armagh can forget it.
Difficult to call here. Could be a blowout win for Armagh or a tight margin in Monaghan's favour. Neither team will want to be considered clear favourites but at first look you would have to say Armagh to win. That's more to do with Monaghan's striking lack of form than anything too special about Armagh however.
I think a big, big factor in this one will be Conor Lane. He is totally averse to physical contact in the tackle and calls yellow, black and red to the letter. That will probably suit Armagh a bit more if they get a running game going as Lane will penalize anything like a tackle on the run. It will be a miracle of both teams keep 15 on the field for the whole game- hope it is not decided in that way.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2023, 09:54:51 PM
This is the first game in a long long time following Armagh I am utterly convinced we will win and win well.
There is a lot of justification for this, Armagh should win. But there is a long record of Monaghan winning when weren't expected to, from the National League final in 1985, one of few things Monaghan ever won, to Clones in 2003 when Armagh were 10/1, to Casement in 2010 when only few Monaghan people bothered to go and they hammered us. Hopefully, Armagh are in the right frame of mind, they've drilled their defence but now is the time to get on the front foot ans show us what us fans think they can do.
Ard Mhacha would be clear favourites from what I've seen and Muineachán really lucky to survive against Cill Dara. If Ard Mhacha are more positive in approach and bring a more expansive, kicking game to Croke Park I think they could win convincingly. However if it develops into an Ulster war of attrition, could end up a lot closer. Massive opportunity for Ard Mhacha to go one better than last year.
Quote from: kickingmule on June 26, 2023, 08:05:12 PM
Awh I have watched armagh quite alot this year and too structured is not how i would describe them. A management team lacking any real game plan other than this hard man image will certainly not cut it in croke Park.
What games were you at to come up with that description?
Doesn't sound like any of the ones I was at
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/26/denis-walsh-everyone-left-in-the-hurling-championship-is-racing-against-time/?"There is an emotional component to championship matches that doesn't exist week-in, week-out in the bread-and-butter leagues of professional sports. In the GAA, emotional investment is what distinguishes the seasons. Those emotions can't be kept on a boilerplate, they need time to cool and heat."
This applies even more to Armagh. The time pressure of this season adds another dimension to prediction.
Yeah. Business end
Quote from: restorepride on June 26, 2023, 10:08:05 PM
Ard Mhacha would be clear favourites from what I've seen and Muineachán really lucky to survive against Cill Dara. If Ard Mhacha are more positive in approach and bring a more expansive, kicking game to Croke Park I think they could win convincingly. However if it develops into an Ulster war of attrition, could end up a lot closer. Massive opportunity for Ard Mhacha to go one better than last year.
"Páirc an Chrócaigh" Do it right.
Be interesting to see what McGeeney does with Rian in this game. I would personally play him midfield with Crealy who had a great second half against Galway and shift Mackin to wing back. Murnin can act as a target man inside and Turbitt's pace will be suited to Croke Park.
McCarron gave McKay the run around in Newry a few years ago so be interesting if he is tasked with job again, he is well improved and has had a good year to date.
Monaghan have been pretty poor last couple of games but will have no fear of Armagh and will expect this to be a close game. Armagh though I believe have a bit more quality up the top end which will hopefully see them over line.
Quote from: statto on June 27, 2023, 09:09:45 AM
Be interesting to see what McGeeney does with Rian in this game. I would personally play him midfield with Crealy who had a great second half against Galway and shift Mackin to wing back. Murnin can act as a target man inside and Turbitt's pace will be suited to Croke Park.
McCarron gave McKay the run around in Newry a few years ago so be interesting if he is tasked with job again, he is well improved and has had a good year to date.
Monaghan have been pretty poor last couple of games but will have no fear of Armagh and will expect this to be a close game. Armagh though I believe have a bit more quality up the top end which will hopefully see them over line.
Rian probably be named 14 and come out for large parts as usual. Have a feeling Morgan could be back for this one, him or Paddy Burns likely candidates for McCarron i reckon.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2023, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2023, 09:54:51 PM
This is the first game in a long long time following Armagh I am utterly convinced we will win and win well.
There is a lot of justification for this, Armagh should win. But there is a long record of Monaghan winning when weren't expected to, from the National League final in 1985, one of few things Monaghan ever won, to Clones in 2003 when Armagh were 10/1, to Casement in 2010 when only few Monaghan people bothered to go and they hammered us. Hopefully, Armagh are in the right frame of mind, they've drilled their defence but now is the time to get on the front foot ans show us what us fans think they can do.
Armagh got relegated
Armagh's manager
Armagh lost to Tyrone
Armagh beat Galway who were banjaxed
versus
Monaghan didn't get relegated
Corey is doing a good job
Monaghan can pull a top drawer effort out when their backs are to the wall.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2023, 09:15:21 AM
Quote from: statto on June 27, 2023, 09:09:45 AM
Be interesting to see what McGeeney does with Rian in this game. I would personally play him midfield with Crealy who had a great second half against Galway and shift Mackin to wing back. Murnin can act as a target man inside and Turbitt's pace will be suited to Croke Park.
McCarron gave McKay the run around in Newry a few years ago so be interesting if he is tasked with job again, he is well improved and has had a good year to date.
Monaghan have been pretty poor last couple of games but will have no fear of Armagh and will expect this to be a close game. Armagh though I believe have a bit more quality up the top end which will hopefully see them over line.
Rian probably be named 14 and come out for large parts as usual. Have a feeling Morgan could be back for this one, him or Paddy Burns likely candidates for McCarron i reckon.
I would have Morgan ahead of Burns one concern would be Lane is whistle happy and if Morgan went up against McCarron may cough up too many frees. McCambridge may be a wildcard here put McCarron on the back foot(as per Derry) and did notable marking jobs on Clifford and Walsh in league.
could see Armagh winning this after a tight first half handy enough...Monaghan have done brilliant to get this far but will be found out in Croke Park...
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2023, 10:02:47 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2023, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2023, 09:54:51 PM
This is the first game in a long long time following Armagh I am utterly convinced we will win and win well.
There is a lot of justification for this, Armagh should win. But there is a long record of Monaghan winning when weren't expected to, from the National League final in 1985, one of few things Monaghan ever won, to Clones in 2003 when Armagh were 10/1, to Casement in 2010 when only few Monaghan people bothered to go and they hammered us. Hopefully, Armagh are in the right frame of mind, they've drilled their defence but now is the time to get on the front foot ans show us what us fans think they can do.
Armagh got relegated
Armagh's manager
Armagh lost to Tyrone
Armagh beat Galway who were banjaxed
versus
Monaghan didn't get relegated
Corey is doing a good job
Monaghan can pull a top drawer effort out when their backs are to the wall.
Thats right Galway didn't have a two week break like everyone else after round 2 ::)
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2023, 10:02:47 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 26, 2023, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2023, 09:54:51 PM
This is the first game in a long long time following Armagh I am utterly convinced we will win and win well.
There is a lot of justification for this, Armagh should win. But there is a long record of Monaghan winning when weren't expected to, from the National League final in 1985, one of few things Monaghan ever won, to Clones in 2003 when Armagh were 10/1, to Casement in 2010 when only few Monaghan people bothered to go and they hammered us. Hopefully, Armagh are in the right frame of mind, they've drilled their defence but now is the time to get on the front foot ans show us what us fans think they can do.
Armagh got relegated
Armagh's manager
Armagh lost to Tyrone
Armagh beat Galway who were banjaxed
versus
Monaghan didn't get relegated
Corey is doing a good job
Monaghan can pull a top drawer effort out when their backs are to the wall.
Armagh got relegated simply because Mayo played a shadow team against Monaghan in the last League match.
I'm not a fan of most of the type of football we have played this season but Geezer has done a good job overall.
Armagh should have beaten a Tyrone team away from home only for some very bad misses and playing with 14 men after losing our best player in the first half.
Armagh beat a previously unbeaten Galway team.
My opinion for what it's worth is it's 55/45 in Armagh's favour but ever so slightly. Armagh have the benefit of the extra weeks rest and have had a few long term injured players back training this 3 weeks (Morgan, Kelly and O O'Neill) one of those 3 guys could well be thrown in or at least used as an impact sub at some stage. I don't think there is anything between the two teams and just shade it for Armagh for the above reasons.
Kildare should have beaten Monaghan out of the park last weekend and some of the misses were really bad...U10 stuff. Armagh will not miss those chances but Monaghan may well not serve those on a plate again. For me Lane the ref is the biggest factor...Armagh for me are now in the Ref's heads before a game starts regarding fouling and the Ref's will punish them on every chance they get, I do admit at times Armagh don't help their cause but you have to start a game totally impartial and neutral. It probably will go down to the wire and all i hope for is the best team on the day wins and it doesn't go to penalties. This is the first QF match i will have missed in 24 years so really disappointed and won't even get to watch it either as i'll be in transit...
Monaghan at 2/1 is good value.
I think Armagh's reign as All Ireland Champions will come an end this weekend.
illdecide refs blow you up for pulling and dragging because you pull and drag not preconceptions...
If you could nip this in the bud and be a bit more disciplined you could be a really good team.
I only saw highlights of Kildare Monaghan last night and Kildare missed a few shockers. Armagh *should* be fit to win this but in ulster matches like this favourites does not always mean anything.
Quote from: illdecide on June 27, 2023, 12:16:56 PM
My opinion for what it's worth is it's 55/45 in Armagh's favour but ever so slightly. Armagh have the benefit of the extra weeks rest and have had a few long term injured players back training this 3 weeks (Morgan, Kelly and O O'Neill) one of those 3 guys could well be thrown in or at least used as an impact sub at some stage. I don't think there is anything between the two teams and just shade it for Armagh for the above reasons.
Kildare should have beaten Monaghan out of the park last weekend and some of the misses were really bad...U10 stuff. Armagh will not miss those chances but Monaghan may well not serve those on a plate again. For me Lane the ref is the biggest factor...Armagh for me are now in the Ref's heads before a game starts regarding fouling and the Ref's will punish them on every chance they get, I do admit at times Armagh don't help their cause but you have to start a game totally impartial and neutral. It probably will go down to the wire and all i hope for is the best team on the day wins and it doesn't go to penalties. This is the first QF match i will have missed in 24 years so really disappointed and won't even get to watch it either as i'll be in transit...
I really hope we aren't going in with the preconceived thought that Lane is the biggest factor. Every referee has their common traits and it is up to us to be clever enough to adapt to suit the referees style. I'd be fairly certain that management will have this base covered for Saturday and that Lane will not become an issue. The biggest factor is still the 15-21 players performance not that of the referee.
Theoretically would Armagh people be happy winning if it meant Tyrone beat Kerry?
I think Armagh are capable of beating any of the teams left , but it just depends on which Armagh team turns up. This season has been nothing but Jekyll and Hyde performances . Another Jekyll (or whichever one is the mad fella ) performance, and that will be that over for another year
Seems to be an awful lot of confidence from the Armagh crowd that they will win, and win convincingly no less. You'd swear they had a good bit of success and were seasoned campaigners at the business end of the championship to warrant such confidence. Or even a dominant record over us in recent years.
I dunno, Monaghan are certainly in a bit of transition with alot of youth being brought through and with it being Vinny's first year in charge, but I still think we've a great chance here in a 50/50 game.
Quote from: illdecide on June 27, 2023, 12:16:56 PM
My opinion for what it's worth is it's 55/45 in Armagh's favour but ever so slightly. Armagh have the benefit of the extra weeks rest and have had a few long term injured players back training this 3 weeks (Morgan, Kelly and O O'Neill) one of those 3 guys could well be thrown in or at least used as an impact sub at some stage. I don't think there is anything between the two teams and just shade it for Armagh for the above reasons.
Kildare should have beaten Monaghan out of the park last weekend and some of the misses were really bad...U10 stuff. Armagh will not miss those chances but Monaghan may well not serve those on a plate again. For me Lane the ref is the biggest factor...Armagh for me are now in the Ref's heads before a game starts regarding fouling and the Ref's will punish them on every chance they get, I do admit at times Armagh don't help their cause but you have to start a game totally impartial and neutral. It probably will go down to the wire and all i hope for is the best team on the day wins and it doesn't go to penalties. This is the first QF match i will have missed in 24 years so really disappointed and won't even get to watch it either as i'll be in transit...
Having O O'Neill back playing football is great but given length of time he has been out I wouldn't expect much impact to next season.
Quote from: Schkite on June 27, 2023, 12:54:25 PM
Seems to be an awful lot of confidence from the Armagh crowd that they will win, and win convincingly no less. You'd swear they had a good bit of success and were seasoned campaigners at the business end of the championship to warrant such confidence. Or even a dominant record over us in recent years.
I dunno, Monaghan are certainly in a bit of transition with alot of youth being brought through and with it being Vinny's first year in charge, but I still think we've a great chance here in a 50/50 game.
I dunno where it's coming from to be honest. I am quietly confident but the game could easily go either way. Just hope we are talking about the football come 8pm on Saturday and not the ref or off the ball incidents or whatever else
Quote from: Schkite on June 27, 2023, 12:54:25 PM
Seems to be an awful lot of confidence from the Armagh crowd that they will win, and win convincingly no less. You'd swear they had a good bit of success and were seasoned campaigners at the business end of the championship to warrant such confidence. Or even a dominant record over us in recent years.
I dunno, Monaghan are certainly in a bit of transition with alot of youth being brought through and with it being Vinny's first year in charge, but I still think we've a great chance here in a 50/50 game.
It's 50/50 or thereabouts. Can make an argument for both teams. Both sets of supporters will sense it's one they can win. Who knows. Just hope there's no bloody extra time and penalties!
Armagh fans shouldn't be confident.
Monaghan will be delighted to be playing Armagh. Armagh's style of play will suit how Monaghan play and if it is a game that is close with 5 minutes left Monaghan are experts at closing out games whilst Armagh have seriously struggled with this. It is not something that can be taught over a few weeks, its years of experience. Armagh are not going to put points on Monaghan they are too well drilled for that.
We are too caught up in what Armagh are capable of rather than looking at it from the perspective of what we have actually done. Armagh have done a lot wrong this year and turning that on its head is going to take a huge team effort.
Rafferty
Burns Higgins Forker
McCabe McKay O'Neill
Mackin Crealey
Duffy Grugan Campbell
Tubitt Murnin ONeill
Bench
Cumiskey
McQuillan
Burns
Morgan
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2023, 12:42:57 PM
Theoretically would Armagh people be happy winning if it meant Tyrone beat Kerry?
Why ask such as silly question?
Lane should not be a factor but i'm just saying in a game that both teams are evenly matched then a ref's call can decide a close game and I hope it doesn't come to that. Majority of Armagh fans are all saying there's nothing between the two teams so not sure where people are getting this narrative that Armagh fans are too cocky. Monaghan will be just as happy drawing Armagh and that in itself tells the true story.
This year is probably the most open Championship in a long time where any team in the last 8 can win it (unlikely but possible). For me Dublin and Kerry are looking good but both could lose to Mayo and Tyrone just as easy and that would really throw it wide open
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2023, 12:42:57 PM
Theoretically would Armagh people be happy winning if it meant Tyrone beat Kerry?
This would have other implications, as then Armagh could only meet the winners of Dublin/Mayo in the semi final.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2023, 12:20:29 PM
illdecide refs blow you up for pulling and dragging because you pull and drag not preconceptions...
If you could nip this in the bud and be a bit more disciplined you could be a really good team.
Preconceptions! Let's have a look at this.
What you're talking about defensive indiscipline. The best metric of defensive indiscipline is scores conceded from frees. Individual games may skew one way or another due to weather, opposition, etc., but this all does balance out over the course of a season of games.
To date this year Armagh have played 7 championship games. They have conceded a total of 4-84 (96), 0-25 of which have come from frees. This equates to an average of
3.6 points per games conceded from frees, or
~26% of all scores coming from frees.
Now, let's see how that compares to the other main players still in the championship:
Kerry - Average of
4.0 points per games conceded from frees, or
~29% of all conceded scores coming from frees.
Dublin - Average of
4.2 points per games conceded from frees, or
~32% of all conceded scores coming from frees.
Mayo - Average of
4.8 points per games conceded from frees, or
~33% of all conceded scores coming from frees.
Or let's look at Armagh's next opponent, Monaghan:
Average of
5.5 points per games conceded from frees, or
~29% of all conceded scores coming from frees.
Conclusions:
1. Armagh's defensive discipline compares favourably with most, if not all, remaining teams in the championship this year.
2. If Armagh have a problem with 'pulling and dragging', then every other team still running must be in near crisis.
3. A few too many internet eejits have allowed their
preconceptions get in the way of the reality in front of their eyes. I trust Conor Lane won't swallow this unsubstantiated nonsense of a narrative as easily as others.
What if they concede a free in a scoring position but the free taker misses? Does that come into your calculations?
Any chance of Translink putting on another train?
Quote from: bogball88 on June 27, 2023, 04:37:22 PM
Any chance of Translink putting on another train?
You'd think they'd want to cash in on the huge demand but considering they can barely run the Belfast-Dublin service at the best of times, I'd say the chances are slim.
Quote from: general_lee on June 27, 2023, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on June 27, 2023, 04:37:22 PM
Any chance of Translink putting on another train?
You'd think they'd want to cash in on the huge demand but considering they can barely run the Belfast-Dublin service at the best of times, I'd say the chances are slim.
Was there not 3 ran last year?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/26/five-things-we-learned-this-gaa-weekend-mayo-will-definitely-bring-the-heat-to-dublin/
Monaghan land on the right man for the job - eventually
The people in the Monaghan county board who took such a long time to appoint Vinny Corey over the winter ought to be counting their lucky stars today. They spent a couple of months chasing the likes of Ger Brennan and Jason Sherlock before coming back around to the man who should have been their priority from the start. Corey eventually did it out of duty as much as anything else but his first season in charge has proved that nobody would have had a better feel for what the job entails.
Keeping Monaghan in Division One and making an All-Ireland quarter-final marks the year out as a successful one, whatever happens now. Corey has shown an ability and a willingness to make big calls all year, too. His friend and clubmate Conor McManus hadn't missed a start for Monaghan in 16 years – Corey dropped him after losing to Derry in the Ulster semi-final and he hasn't found a way back in yet. An unthinkable move for a decade and a half and yet Corey did it and there's not even much fuss about it within the county.
Just as interesting was the move to drop Ryan Wylie for Saturday's game against Kildare. Wylie has been a fixture in the side for the best part of a decade and was the team captain for the past couple of seasons. When Dessie Ward was announced as coming in for him in a late change to the programme, we assumed he was carrying a knock of some sort. Not so.
"Not hurt, no," said Corey afterwards. "We just felt it was horses for courses today. Kildare showed last week they have a lot of physicality in their forward line. They played for a lot of marks. They have a lot of height. We decided to shuffle things around. Ryan had been playing really well for us but we just had to make calls and that was one of them."
Kildare had four marks in the win over Roscommon. Monaghan kept them to one on Saturday. Wylie came off the bench for the last 15 minutes and provided experience to see the game out. Job done all round. – Malachy Clerkin
When was the last time Monaghan won in Croker in the championship?
What about Armagh?
Quote from: bogball88 on June 27, 2023, 04:37:22 PM
Any chance of Translink putting on another train?
A joke
The website crashed
Need the shinners to put pressure on as one train is ridiculous given it was3 lasy year for Galway game
Quote from: naka on June 27, 2023, 05:22:02 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on June 27, 2023, 04:37:22 PM
Any chance of Translink putting on another train?
A joke
The website crashed
Need the shinners to put pressure on as one train is ridiculous given it was3 lasy year for Galway game
It was a Sunday last year and there might have been more trains not in service? Either way the price is ridiculous. I'd rather drive and take a few mates.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 27, 2023, 05:14:35 PM
When was the last time Monaghan won in Croker in the championship?
What about Armagh?
I think Monaghan were winning and about to score in Croke Park in 2013 but something happened. I'm afraid I can't remember what it was.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 27, 2023, 05:14:35 PM
When was the last time Monaghan won in Croker in the championship?
What about Armagh?
I think Armagh's last win in Croke Park was against Dublin in the league 2022
Championship
V Kildare I think
2017?
Quote from: naka on June 27, 2023, 05:22:02 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on June 27, 2023, 04:37:22 PM
Any chance of Translink putting on another train?
A joke
The website crashed
Need the shinners to put pressure on as one train is ridiculous given it was3 lasy year for Galway game
Translink said a week ago before the fixtures that the Saturday games will have limited train service due to the volume of trains already on the track. They stated that they could and would put a lot more on for the Sunday fixture as there is less volume on the tracks on a Sunday. Unfortunately Armagh play Saturday so the 2 or 3 special trains put on is all they and Irish Rail can cater for.
That's not my opinion...just typing what i read a week ago.
Quote from: illdecide on June 27, 2023, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: naka on June 27, 2023, 05:22:02 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on June 27, 2023, 04:37:22 PM
Any chance of Translink putting on another train?
A joke
The website crashed
Need the shinners to put pressure on as one train is ridiculous given it was3 lasy year for Galway game
Translink said a week ago before the fixtures that the Saturday games will have limited train service due to the volume of trains already on the track. They stated that they could and would put a lot more on for the Sunday fixture as there is less volume on the tracks on a Sunday. Unfortunately Armagh play Saturday so the 2 or 3 special trains put on is all they and Irish Rail can cater for
While there were special trains to Clones years ago, nowadays they do not have the rolling stock or drivers etc to put on a load of trains.
There should have been a special train when Armagh played in Tralee for instance, but no sign of one.
Quote from: square_ball on June 27, 2023, 03:53:19 PM
What if they concede a free in a scoring position but the free taker misses? Does that come into your calculations?
Of course, which is why I noted that it is unwise to read too much into individual games involving particular opponents in particular condition.
But over multiple games involving various opponents in various conditions, patterns develop that can offer insight.
The data from the couple of dozen championship games that I bothered to look at over lunch suggest that Armagh, on average, concede fewer scores from frees than almost every team left in the championship. A reasonable man might conclude that this points to a laudable degree of defensive discipline, despite whatever preconceptions exists.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on June 27, 2023, 05:49:22 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 27, 2023, 03:53:19 PM
What if they concede a free in a scoring position but the free taker misses? Does that come into your calculations?
Of course, which is why I noted that it is unwise to read too much into individual games involving particular opponents in particular condition.
But over multiple games involving various opponents in various conditions, patterns develop that can offer insight.
The data from the couple of dozen championship games that I bothered to look at over lunch suggest that Armagh, on average, concede fewer scores from frees than almost every team left in the championship. A reasonable man might conclude that this points to a laudable degree of defensive discipline, despite whatever preconceptions exists.
What counts is frees conceded at this stage and beyond. And there is only one data point.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on June 27, 2023, 05:49:22 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 27, 2023, 03:53:19 PM
What if they concede a free in a scoring position but the free taker misses? Does that come into your calculations?
Of course, which is why I noted that it is unwise to read too much into individual games involving particular opponents in particular condition.
But over multiple games involving various opponents in various conditions, patterns develop that can offer insight.
The data from the couple of dozen championship games that I bothered to look at over lunch suggest that Armagh, on average, concede fewer scores from frees than almost every team left in the championship. A reasonable man might conclude that this points to a laudable degree of defensive discipline, despite whatever preconceptions exists.
Those of use who follow Armagh know that there are several frees conceded (or moved up) in each game where there is no need to do so, and this number needs to be halved to make progress from here on.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2023, 12:42:57 PM
Theoretically would Armagh people be happy winning if it meant Tyrone beat Kerry?
Siege mentality in a question
Quote from: Schkite on June 27, 2023, 12:54:25 PM
Seems to be an awful lot of confidence from the Armagh crowd that they will win, and win convincingly no less. You'd swear they had a good bit of success and were seasoned campaigners at the business end of the championship to warrant such confidence. Or even a dominant record over us in recent years.
I dunno, Monaghan are certainly in a bit of transition with alot of youth being brought through and with it being Vinny's first year in charge, but I still think we've a great chance here in a 50/50 game.
Where are you picking up on this armagh confidence that they will win an win well. Certainly Bennydorano falls into that category but not picking up anything more than that.
I sense that Monaghan are more confident against Armagh than they would have been against of the other sides they could have faced. Similarly Armagh are more confident than they would have been against Mayo. Would read nothing more into it than that
Monaghan deserve to be at this stage and will give Armagh a serious test.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2023, 07:07:58 PM
Monaghan deserve to be at this stage and will give Armagh a serious test.
Wouldn't expect anything less in an All Ireland Q/Final. So long as Conor Lane lets a physical contact sport proceed as planned amongst two Ulster teams going at it, then we should have a good game.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2023, 05:32:46 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 27, 2023, 05:14:35 PM
When was the last time Monaghan won in Croker in the championship?
What about Armagh?
I think Monaghan were winning and about to score in Croke Park in 2013 but something happened. I'm afraid I can't remember what it was.
If you are referring to the Cavanagh pull down of McManus, you are wrong. Tyrone were winning at this stage as well as most of the rest of the match.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 27, 2023, 05:14:35 PM
When was the last time Monaghan won in Croker in the championship?
What about Armagh?
2017 for both of us? On the same day. We beat Kildare and they beat down
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2023, 12:42:57 PM
Theoretically would Armagh people be happy winning if it meant Tyrone beat Kerry?
Don't care one way or the other. Wouldn't necessarily be unhappy tho.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 27, 2023, 07:36:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2023, 07:07:58 PM
Monaghan deserve to be at this stage and will give Armagh a serious test.
Wouldn't expect anything less in an All Ireland Q/Final. So long as Conor Lane lets a physical contact sport proceed as planned amongst two Ulster teams going at it, then we should have a good game.
But that just isn't going to happen now is it? This man will be stewing on the thoughts of 'North-erin teems' all week, and will be determined to set it all to rights from the very start.
It won't add to the quality of the game.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2023, 07:07:58 PM
Monaghan deserve to be at this stage and will give Armagh a serious test.
Deserve - yes. They will need to up their game though and turnovers v Cill Dara is a major concern. Also defence was really exposed and Ard Mhacha's physicality and height could exploit.
The best ref performance I have witnessed in an Ulster crunch game was Coldrick in 2013, the Ulster Final Monaghan V Donegal in what turned out to be the finest exhibition of Ulster championship football this century.
He let most everything go, the game was played at a fierce intensity, players were being carried off with dead legs, blood pouring out of various orifices, eyes swollen shut, organic battle wounds earned in the heat of wild abandon intensity. However he did dish out a few cards for the dastardly act of shirt tugging.
I think a trainful of Armagh supporters on the way to a match in Dublin would make a great play. With every 5 minutes an inspirational snippet by Benny Durano followed by fast music. For about an hour. With the train breaking down in Dundalk. And then a Tyrone voice every 2 minutes pointing out the weaknesses on the rest of the way to Dublin.
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2023, 08:00:50 AM
I think a trainful of Armagh supporters on the way to a match in Dublin would make a great play. With every 5 minutes an inspirational snippet by Benny Durano followed by fast music. For about an hour. With the train breaking down in Dundalk. And then a Tyrone voice every 2 minutes pointing out the weaknesses on the rest of the way to Dublin.
Boarding a train for Dublin at Newry, when it's early morning, you are stone cold sober and you find it full of the Portadown/Lurgan Buckfast brigade on full charge. It's the stuff of nightmares. It's that awful, they should use it for rehabilitating prisoners.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2023, 08:19:18 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2023, 08:00:50 AM
I think a trainful of Armagh supporters on the way to a match in Dublin would make a great play. With every 5 minutes an inspirational snippet by Benny Durano followed by fast music. For about an hour. With the train breaking down in Dundalk. And then a Tyrone voice every 2 minutes pointing out the weaknesses on the rest of the way to Dublin.
Boarding a train for Dublin at Newry, when it's early morning, you are stone cold sober and you find it full of the Portadown/Lurgan Buckfast brigade on full charge. It's the stuff of nightmares. It's that awful, they should use it for rehabilitating prisoners.
The Lurgan ones have to get drunk to travel thru Portydown and then to bare the smell of diesel in Newry when the South Armagh fuel launderers get on the train...
All winding/joking aside it can be awful on that train if you're beside or close to drunk teenagers shouting and getting on. I'm not much of a drinker and very rarely take a drink but my last experience on the trains last year was actually a pleasant one but we were lucky to be on a carriage with older ones enjoying a beer and a bit of Elvis singing even broke out but I have been on the opposite end of that standing for 2 hours on a train with bampots everywhere...mixed bag really.
The trains to Cork & Kerry for league games used to be great and made the weekend. I rather gouge my eyes out than go on a special these days, fook that.
only going to be one train on saturday by the look sof it.
Pretty poor from Translink. Not like they're not aware of the strong possibility of Armagh playing in Dublin this time of year. If it was an Ulster or Ireland rugby match you can guarantee they'd provide additional trains.
Do GAAGO not provide trains ?
Should trains to GAA matches be free?
You can watch live coverage of the train on GAAGO
Just to keep up:
This should be a standalone game in Croke Park where only Armagh fans can get tickets, all non match traffic is banned from M1, toll charges are waived in addition to unlimited trains and the game is to receive blanket free to air coverage on all channels?
Quote from: Louther on June 28, 2023, 01:00:45 PM
Just to keep up:
This should be a standalone game in Croke Park where only Armagh fans can get tickets, all non match traffic is banned from M1, toll charges are waived in addition to unlimited trains and the game is to receive blanket free to air coverage on all channels?
There's 3 neighbouring counties playing on Saturday. Armagh are one of the lucky counties in Ulster to still have the luxury of a railway skirting through our boundaries. There's always demand from Armagh fans for GAA specials - Tyrone fans avail of the train too from Portadown, I'm sure some Monaghan ones as well from Dundalk.
Rafferty
Burns Higgins Forker
McCabe McKay O'Neill
Mackin Crealey
Duffy Grugan Campbell
Tubitt Murnin ONeill
Bench
Cumiskey
McQuillan
Burns
Morgan
Quote from: Louther on June 28, 2023, 01:00:45 PM
Just to keep up:
This should be a standalone game in Croke Park where only Armagh fans can get tickets, all non match traffic is banned from M1, toll charges are waived in addition to unlimited trains and the game is to receive blanket free to air coverage on all channels?
fair play Louther
thats a damn good suggestion.
Is there one among you, anyone at all, brave enough to attempt the N2?
Quote from: illdecide on June 28, 2023, 09:19:58 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2023, 08:19:18 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2023, 08:00:50 AM
I think a trainful of Armagh supporters on the way to a match in Dublin would make a great play. With every 5 minutes an inspirational snippet by Benny Durano followed by fast music. For about an hour. With the train breaking down in Dundalk. And then a Tyrone voice every 2 minutes pointing out the weaknesses on the rest of the way to Dublin.
Boarding a train for Dublin at Newry, when it's early morning, you are stone cold sober and you find it full of the Portadown/Lurgan Buckfast brigade on full charge. It's the stuff of nightmares. It's that awful, they should use it for rehabilitating prisoners.
The Lurgan ones have to get drunk to travel thru Portydown and then to bare the smell of diesel in Newry when the South Armagh fuel launderers get on the train...
All winding/joking aside it can be awful on that train if you're beside or close to drunk teenagers shouting and getting on. I'm not much of a drinker and very rarely take a drink but my last experience on the trains last year was actually a pleasant one but we were lucky to be on a carriage with older ones enjoying a beer and a bit of Elvis singing even broke out but I have been on the opposite end of that standing for 2 hours on a train with bampots everywhere...mixed bag really.
That is really a crazy situation would drive me batshit crazy. Now in my 50's, I still like a pint as much as any man or woman. However, drinking before a game just never appealed to me, still doesn't.
I want all my faculties in place, and I have zero desire to be bursting to take a piss during a game.
When I was younger, we never did that, you were just so happy to get to a game, possibly the money was not around either, it was either have a few pints before or after.
As for booing at free takers, I also hate that, classless.
Have two tickets (one adult and one juvenile) for Saturday, Lower Cusack, section 305, row BB, going for face value ... anyone in need, please PM, thanks.
See Translink have put on a few additional trains for the game now. See a few doses crying about it on social media and claiming they can't get too Dublin if no train on. Same people wouldn't watch a club game in back garden.
Traffic will not be ideal, but in days gone by Armagh/Tyrone would be selling out Croker on their own and people where still able to attend the games. As another poster said Armagh are very lucky to have access to the train where as other counties not as fortunate.
Quote from: statto on June 29, 2023, 11:21:06 AM
See Translink have put on a few additional trains for the game now. See a few doses crying about it on social media and claiming they can't get too Dublin if no train on. Same people wouldn't watch a club game in back garden.
Traffic will not be ideal, but in days gone by Armagh/Tyrone would be selling out Croker on their own and people where still able to attend the games. As another poster said Armagh are very lucky to have access to the train where as other counties not as fortunate.
Likely the same mummies that got 4+ tickets for her weins for Ulster Final having not been to a single league match all year, and crying cause they're "not covered".... True story
Fair play to Translink
Kudos to them for stepping up
Traffic will be horrendous on Saturday .
Quote from: statto on June 29, 2023, 11:21:06 AM
See Translink have put on a few additional trains for the game now. See a few doses crying about it on social media and claiming they can't get too Dublin if no train on. Same people wouldn't watch a club game in back garden.
Traffic will not be ideal, but in days gone by Armagh/Tyrone would be selling out Croker on their own and people where still able to attend the games. As another poster said Armagh are very lucky to have access to the train where as other counties not as fortunate.
And the relevance of watching club games is what exactly?
Is their money somehow inferior? Am I some kind of second class fan because I don't watch club football?
No doubt there will be some for whom the train is the only option.
Just be thankful you're not one of them for whatever reason but try hard not to be so condescending about it
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 29, 2023, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: statto on June 29, 2023, 11:21:06 AM
See Translink have put on a few additional trains for the game now. See a few doses crying about it on social media and claiming they can't get too Dublin if no train on. Same people wouldn't watch a club game in back garden.
Traffic will not be ideal, but in days gone by Armagh/Tyrone would be selling out Croker on their own and people where still able to attend the games. As another poster said Armagh are very lucky to have access to the train where as other counties not as fortunate.
And the relevance of watching club games is what exactly?
Is their money somehow inferior? Am I some kind of second class fan because I don't watch club football?
[b]No doubt there will be some for whom the train is the only option. [/b]
Just be thankful you're not one of them for whatever reason but try hard not to be so condescending about it
Have to say the amount of gurning from some Armagh ones on here and on Twitter and the sense of self-entitlement is unreal.
At least you have the option of a train - plenty of other counties with far fewer options to get to games.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 29, 2023, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: statto on June 29, 2023, 11:21:06 AM
See Translink have put on a few additional trains for the game now. See a few doses crying about it on social media and claiming they can't get too Dublin if no train on. Same people wouldn't watch a club game in back garden.
Traffic will not be ideal, but in days gone by Armagh/Tyrone would be selling out Croker on their own and people where still able to attend the games. As another poster said Armagh are very lucky to have access to the train where as other counties not as fortunate.
And the relevance of watching club games is what exactly?
Is their money somehow inferior? Am I some kind of second class fan because I don't watch club football?
No doubt there will be some for whom the train is the only option.
Just be thankful you're not one of them for whatever reason but try hard not to be so condescending about it
If you are active in your own club and or watch club football would suggest that you are more interested in the sport rather than just going for a piss up or a day out. (Not saying that you are one of these) Some of the people I am referring too drive, so they are making out that as the train isn't available they can't go, when the real reason is they can't go cause they can't have a drink, but its translinks fault. There are multiple buses in operation or drive to Banbridge and get the bus that goes every hour. There are very few if any people that the train is the only option.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 29, 2023, 01:41:24 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 29, 2023, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: statto on June 29, 2023, 11:21:06 AM
See Translink have put on a few additional trains for the game now. See a few doses crying about it on social media and claiming they can't get too Dublin if no train on. Same people wouldn't watch a club game in back garden.
Traffic will not be ideal, but in days gone by Armagh/Tyrone would be selling out Croker on their own and people where still able to attend the games. As another poster said Armagh are very lucky to have access to the train where as other counties not as fortunate.
And the relevance of watching club games is what exactly?
Is their money somehow inferior? Am I some kind of second class fan because I don't watch club football?
[b]No doubt there will be some for whom the train is the only option. [/b]
Just be thankful you're not one of them for whatever reason but try hard not to be so condescending about it
Have to say the amount of gurning from some Armagh ones on here and on Twitter and the sense of self-entitlement is unreal.
At least you have the option of a train - plenty of other counties with far fewer options to get to games.
Would agree with that.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 29, 2023, 01:41:24 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 29, 2023, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: statto on June 29, 2023, 11:21:06 AM
See Translink have put on a few additional trains for the game now. See a few doses crying about it on social media and claiming they can't get too Dublin if no train on. Same people wouldn't watch a club game in back garden.
Traffic will not be ideal, but in days gone by Armagh/Tyrone would be selling out Croker on their own and people where still able to attend the games. As another poster said Armagh are very lucky to have access to the train where as other counties not as fortunate.
And the relevance of watching club games is what exactly?
Is their money somehow inferior? Am I some kind of second class fan because I don't watch club football?
[b]No doubt there will be some for whom the train is the only option. [/b]
Just be thankful you're not one of them for whatever reason but try hard not to be so condescending about it
Have to say the amount of gurning from some Armagh ones on here and on Twitter and the sense of self-entitlement is unreal.
At least you have the option of a train - plenty of other counties with far fewer options to get to games.
Armagh Whingers.
1) Not enough tickets for the Ulster Final then complained about Clones
2) Rian is innocent! Its a conspiracy!
3) Move the Galway game (Only 6500 turned up IN TOTAL!
4) More trains needed. Nobody seems to be able to drive in Armagh!!
If there was an All Ireland in moaning they'd be perennial champions.
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2023, 02:39:44 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 29, 2023, 01:41:24 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 29, 2023, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: statto on June 29, 2023, 11:21:06 AM
See Translink have put on a few additional trains for the game now. See a few doses crying about it on social media and claiming they can't get too Dublin if no train on. Same people wouldn't watch a club game in back garden.
Traffic will not be ideal, but in days gone by Armagh/Tyrone would be selling out Croker on their own and people where still able to attend the games. As another poster said Armagh are very lucky to have access to the train where as other counties not as fortunate.
And the relevance of watching club games is what exactly?
Is their money somehow inferior? Am I some kind of second class fan because I don't watch club football?
[b]No doubt there will be some for whom the train is the only option. [/b]
Just be thankful you're not one of them for whatever reason but try hard not to be so condescending about it
Have to say the amount of gurning from some Armagh ones on here and on Twitter and the sense of self-entitlement is unreal.
At least you have the option of a train - plenty of other counties with far fewer options to get to games.
Armagh Whingers.
1) Not enough tickets for the Ulster Final then complained about Clones
2) Rian is innocent! Its a conspiracy!
3) Move the Galway game (Only 6500 turned up IN TOTAL!
4) More trains needed. Nobody seems to be able to drive in Armagh!!
If there was an All Ireland in moaning they'd be perennial champions.
And the fúckers closed the railway line to Clones too.
Starting to get excited for this one even if I wont get to see it due to holiday plans. Game could go any way. Armagh have only looked good in fit and starts this year but have looked very good in those periods (see Galway second half for example). Even in the long periods of being very bad Armagh have been very hard to beat whilst Monaghan have been inconsistent when I have seen them. Very poor against Derry the first day but very good against both Tyrone and Derry in the other games. Really going to come down to on the day I feel and who handles the pressure and the atmosphere best.
Why fans from other Counties stick their nose in every now and then into a thread that's nothing to do with their own County only to talk sh1te about not filling grounds and trains etc...get a life. I have seen a few of the ramblings about the trains and I think what a lot of people were getting at is Translink put a lot more Special Trains on for other events and were called out on this but for the GAA they were only offering the one train. If they have put more on then "Bravo". Armagh are no different to any other County...when they're going well you see people going to games that you'd never see at a club game or a County league game...It happens everywhere...just deal with it, no big shock there and the further they go in the competitions the worse it gets. If Armagh are lucky enough to win this weekend i'd imagine that'll be the end of the public sale and it'll be back to the clubs for another crying match from the people who aren't a member of clubs but went to all these games in February... ::)
As for the game...devastated i'm missing it and like David McKeown i'll be in transit on Holiday so won't see it or hear it. I'll have to rely on Twitter for updates...It'll be tight and wouldn't rule out another draw, both teams will be confident of a win and both teams will have their moments it's just who takes their chances. R O'Neill hopefully will deliver a big performance and if he's tightly marked and doubled up on i hope the Armagh management have the sense to push up more and let the other Armagh forwards do their stuff if Rian is double marked...
Can there be penalties this weekend for any game ?
Quote from: naka on June 29, 2023, 07:40:55 PM
Can there be penalties this weekend for any game ?
Yes, all games must have a result on the day.
DLA = Free train
Are Armagh still unbeaten if she goes to pens?
I'd be very surprised if the Armagh players haven't been practicing their penalties for the weekend..another penalty shoot out defeat and some heartless bastards will be comparing them to the English..
Quote from: naka on June 29, 2023, 07:40:55 PM
Can there be penalties this weekend for any game ?
Same as last year
Quote from: illdecide on June 29, 2023, 07:19:13 PM
Why fans from other Counties stick their nose in every now and then into a thread that's nothing to do with their own County only to talk sh1te about not filling grounds and trains etc...get a life. I have seen a few of the ramblings about the trains and I think what a lot of people were getting at is Translink put a lot more Special Trains on for other events and were called out on this but for the GAA they were only offering the one train. If they have put more on then "Bravo". Armagh are no different to any other County...when they're going well you see people going to games that you'd never see at a club game or a County league game...It happens everywhere...just deal with it, no big shock there and the further they go in the competitions the worse it gets. If Armagh are lucky enough to win this weekend i'd imagine that'll be the end of the public sale and it'll be back to the clubs for another crying match from the people who aren't a member of clubs but went to all these games in February... ::)
As for the game...devastated i'm missing it and like David McKeown i'll be in transit on Holiday so won't see it or hear it. I'll have to rely on Twitter for updates...It'll be tight and wouldn't rule out another draw, both teams will be confident of a win and both teams will have their moments it's just who takes their chances. R O'Neill hopefully will deliver a big performance and if he's tightly marked and doubled up on i hope the Armagh management have the sense to push up more and let the other Armagh forwards do their stuff if Rian is double marked...
Oh theres wifi on my flight just not enough to stream, I should be able to listen along though
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 29, 2023, 08:17:10 PM
Are Armagh still unbeaten if she goes to pens?
Well that was the case after the Ulster Final so I presume the same 'Armagh rule' as issued by an Armagh poster applies again. Would make sense.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 29, 2023, 09:42:40 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 29, 2023, 07:19:13 PM
Why fans from other Counties stick their nose in every now and then into a thread that's nothing to do with their own County only to talk sh1te about not filling grounds and trains etc...get a life. I have seen a few of the ramblings about the trains and I think what a lot of people were getting at is Translink put a lot more Special Trains on for other events and were called out on this but for the GAA they were only offering the one train. If they have put more on then "Bravo". Armagh are no different to any other County...when they're going well you see people going to games that you'd never see at a club game or a County league game...It happens everywhere...just deal with it, no big shock there and the further they go in the competitions the worse it gets. If Armagh are lucky enough to win this weekend i'd imagine that'll be the end of the public sale and it'll be back to the clubs for another crying match from the people who aren't a member of clubs but went to all these games in February... ::)
As for the game...devastated i'm missing it and like David McKeown i'll be in transit on Holiday so won't see it or hear it. I'll have to rely on Twitter for updates...It'll be tight and wouldn't rule out another draw, both teams will be confident of a win and both teams will have their moments it's just who takes their chances. R O'Neill hopefully will deliver a big performance and if he's tightly marked and doubled up on i hope the Armagh management have the sense to push up more and let the other Armagh forwards do their stuff if Rian is double marked...
Oh theres wifi on my flight just not enough to stream, I should be able to listen along though
In this day and age the flight will likely be late.
Armagh folk (brimming with confidence) do love to natter about trains and planes and this an AIQF discussion.
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 01:04:13 AM
Armagh folk (brimming with confidence) do love to natter about trains and planes and this an AIQF discussion.
Au contrare. I think its obvious we are discussing holiday arrangements as it shows how little confidence we had in Armagh that we made plans for AIQF weekend assuming we wouldnt be involved
Quote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2023, 01:42:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 01:04:13 AM
Armagh folk (brimming with confidence) do love to natter about trains and planes and this an AIQF discussion.
Au contrare. I think its obvious we are discussing holiday arrangements as it shows how little confidence we had in Armagh that we made plans for AIQF weekend assuming we wouldnt be involved
Hmmm, it wouldn't be the first time a devout Armagh supporter got their All Ireland calendar out of sync with reality ;D
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 01:04:13 AM
Armagh folk (brimming with confidence) do love to natter about trains and planes and this an AIQF discussion.
Don't think so
Nearly every Armagh fan I know is dreading Monaghan .
Not a sexy tie and it is a 50/50 battle .
Rafferty
Burns
McKay
Forker
C O'Neill
McCabe
Cumiskey
Crealey
Mackin
Duffy
Grugan
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Turbitt
Subs: Magill(GK)
McElroy
Hall
Kieran
Conaty
McPartlan
McCambridge
McQuillan
Og Burns
Connaire Mackin
Kelly
Higgins must be injured as played well the last day him and Morgan out leaves us a bit light in defence with McCambridge the only real stopper.
Cumiskey ahead of Og Burns is a surprise too as Cumiskey has generally operated in half forward line and Croke Park would suit JOB athletisism.
Thought Hall may have been drafted in to track O'Connell or McCarthy the forwards selected would indicate Armagh are keen to play game on own terms.
Good to see T Kelly back in the panel if fit and well could make a good impact from bench.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 29, 2023, 08:17:10 PM
Are Armagh still unbeaten if she goes to pens?
No, we were beaten by Tyrone.
Armagh by 5
Quote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2023, 01:42:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 01:04:13 AM
Armagh folk (brimming with confidence) do love to natter about trains and planes and this an AIQF discussion.
Au contrare. I think its obvious we are discussing holiday arrangements as it shows how little confidence we had in Armagh that we made plans for AIQF weekend assuming we wouldnt be involved
Unless you had the Tony Fearon approach to dates.
Quote from: statto on June 30, 2023, 09:24:15 AM
Rafferty
Burns
McKay
Forker
C O'Neill
McCabe
Cumiskey
Crealey
Mackin
Duffy
Grugan
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Turbitt
Subs: Magill(GK)
McElroy
Hall
Kieran
Conaty
McPartlan
McCambridge
McQuillan
Og Burns
Connaire Mackin
Kelly
Higgins must be injured as played well the last day him and Morgan out leaves us a bit light in defence with McCambridge the only real stopper.
Cumiskey ahead of Og Burns is a surprise too as Cumiskey has generally operated in half forward line and Croke Park would suit JOB athletisism.
Thought Hall may have been drafted in to track O'Connell or McCarthy the forwards selected would indicate Armagh are keen to play game on own terms.
Good to see T Kelly back in the panel if fit and well could make a good impact from bench.
He certainly could..
Quote from: rrhf on June 30, 2023, 10:53:10 AM
Quote from: statto on June 30, 2023, 09:24:15 AM
Rafferty
Burns
McKay
Forker
C O'Neill
McCabe
Cumiskey
Crealey
Mackin
Duffy
Grugan
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Turbitt
Subs: Magill(GK)
McElroy
Hall
Kieran
Conaty
McPartlan
McCambridge
McQuillan
Og Burns
Connaire Mackin
Kelly
Higgins must be injured as played well the last day him and Morgan out leaves us a bit light in defence with McCambridge the only real stopper.
Cumiskey ahead of Og Burns is a surprise too as Cumiskey has generally operated in half forward line and Croke Park would suit JOB athletisism.
Thought Hall may have been drafted in to track O'Connell or McCarthy the forwards selected would indicate Armagh are keen to play game on own terms.
Good to see T Kelly back in the panel if fit and well could make a good impact from bench.
He certainly could..
:o
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 01:04:13 AM
Armagh folk (brimming with confidence) do love to natter about trains and planes and this an AIQF discussion.
At least there's a team named now, we've heard enough from the ferroequinologists. Armagh going for it with the forward line picked. Monaghan's big decision is Rian O'Neill. Conor Boyle- too loose. Kieran Duffy- needed for Murnin. Dessie Ward- possible if O'Neill drifts out but not 100% fit you would think. Lavelle- did well on DFlynn last week but O'Neill is a step up.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 30, 2023, 11:14:30 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 01:04:13 AM
Armagh folk (brimming with confidence) do love to natter about trains and planes and this an AIQF discussion.
At least there's a team named now, we've heard enough from the ferroequinologists. Armagh going for it with the forward line picked. Monaghan's big decision is Rian O'Neill. Conor Boyle- too loose. Kieran Duffy- needed for Murnin. Dessie Ward- possible if O'Neill drifts out but not 100% fit you would think. Lavelle- did well on DFlynn last week but O'Neill is a step up.
If Flynn had the shooting boots with him last weekend Kildare would have been through. He created the chances but was poor in front of the sticks.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 30, 2023, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2023, 01:42:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 01:04:13 AM
Armagh folk (brimming with confidence) do love to natter about trains and planes and this an AIQF discussion.
Au contrare. I think its obvious we are discussing holiday arrangements as it shows how little confidence we had in Armagh that we made plans for AIQF weekend assuming we wouldnt be involved
Unless you had the Tony Fearon approach to dates.
Maybe the enthusiasm, the confidence factor has overwritten your timing, but the reference to Tony has already been adressed hours ago.
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 12:59:18 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 30, 2023, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2023, 01:42:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 01:04:13 AM
Armagh folk (brimming with confidence) do love to natter about trains and planes and this an AIQF discussion.
Au contrare. I think its obvious we are discussing holiday arrangements as it shows how little confidence we had in Armagh that we made plans for AIQF weekend assuming we wouldnt be involved
Unless you had the Tony Fearon approach to dates.
Maybe the enthusiasm, the confidence factor has overwritten your timing, but the reference to Tony has already been adressed hours ago.
My apologies, I was not reading GAAboard at 3am.
It's crazy to think that reference is over 20 years old.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 30, 2023, 01:02:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 12:59:18 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 30, 2023, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2023, 01:42:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 01:04:13 AM
Armagh folk (brimming with confidence) do love to natter about trains and planes and this an AIQF discussion.
Au contrare. I think its obvious we are discussing holiday arrangements as it shows how little confidence we had in Armagh that we made plans for AIQF weekend assuming we wouldnt be involved
Unless you had the Tony Fearon approach to dates.
Maybe the enthusiasm, the confidence factor has overwritten your timing, but the reference to Tony has already been adressed hours ago.
My apologies, I was not reading GAAboard at 3am.
Snarky ;D
It's usual form before replying to at least glance through the few succeeding replies, just in case somebody else has replied to the obvious, but probably (not unlike Tony) your enthusiasm got the better of your common sense.
I'll put it down to the Armagh frenzy that afflicts the county on the very odd occasion :)
Quote from: restorepride on June 29, 2023, 11:35:22 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 29, 2023, 08:17:10 PM
Are Armagh still unbeaten if she goes to pens?
Well that was the case after the Ulster Final so I presume the same 'Armagh rule' as issued by an Armagh poster applies again. Would make sense.
Didnt win in regular time, didnt win in extra time. Penalty kick champs and nothing more. There'll always be an asterix beside it.
Considering Armagh are hotly favoured to win regardless of how close the contest could be and considering that McGeeney is currently the most experienced manager in football, wouldn't it be such a huge humiliation for him should Monaghan prevail under the tutelage of a wet behind the ears rookie manager? One who is learning his trade on the hoof, oft times struggling to impress his type of game, good decision making onto the players
Quote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 29, 2023, 11:35:22 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 29, 2023, 08:17:10 PM
Are Armagh still unbeaten if she goes to pens?
Well that was the case after the Ulster Final so I presume the same 'Armagh rule' as issued by an Armagh poster applies again. Would make sense.
Didnt win in regular time, didnt win in extra time. Penalty kick champs and nothing more. There'll always be an asterix beside it.
I wonder where the Anglo-Celt is? Would you like to draw an asterix on it?!
Quote from: restorepride on June 30, 2023, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 29, 2023, 11:35:22 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 29, 2023, 08:17:10 PM
Are Armagh still unbeaten if she goes to pens?
Well that was the case after the Ulster Final so I presume the same 'Armagh rule' as issued by an Armagh poster applies again. Would make sense.
Didnt win in regular time, didnt win in extra time. Penalty kick champs and nothing more. There'll always be an asterix beside it.
I wonder where the Anglo-Celt is? Would you like to draw an asterix on it?!
Have never once disputed that - still Penalty kick champs tho. Not sure why it seems to wind you Derry boys up. Just facts.
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 02:08:23 PM
Considering Armagh are hotly favoured to win regardless of how close the contest could be and considering that McGeeney is currently the most experienced manager in football, wouldn't it be such a huge humiliation for him should Monaghan prevail under the tutelage of a wet behind the ears rookie manager? One who is learning his trade on the hoof, oft times struggling to impress his type of game, good decision making onto the players
it doesn't surprise me to learn that the Monaghan manager has a hoof.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2023, 02:49:12 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 30, 2023, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 29, 2023, 11:35:22 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 29, 2023, 08:17:10 PM
Are Armagh still unbeaten if she goes to pens?
Well that was the case after the Ulster Final so I presume the same 'Armagh rule' as issued by an Armagh poster applies again. Would make sense.
Didnt win in regular time, didnt win in extra time. Penalty kick champs and nothing more. There'll always be an asterix beside it.
I wonder where the Anglo-Celt is? Would you like to draw an asterix on it?!
Have never once disputed that - still Penalty kick champs tho. Not sure why it seems to wind you Derry boys up. Just facts.
:), the Asterix-Celt Champions, I'd say more bafflement than being wound up. Pretty much how every other fan of any other team sport in the world would see it.
The week leading up to the final, a collective Derry performance of about 3 or 4 out of 10, a black card to one of our best players and the mighty Armagh with the best front 6 in the game still couldn't win the bloody thing! Any road, get this thread back on track....
Good luck to Monaghan on Sat, they'll need it.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2023, 02:49:12 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 30, 2023, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 29, 2023, 11:35:22 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 29, 2023, 08:17:10 PM
Are Armagh still unbeaten if she goes to pens?
Well that was the case after the Ulster Final so I presume the same 'Armagh rule' as issued by an Armagh poster applies again. Would make sense.
Didnt win in regular time, didnt win in extra time. Penalty kick champs and nothing more. There'll always be an asterix beside it.
I wonder where the Anglo-Celt is? Would you like to draw an asterix on it?!
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Have never once disputed that - still Penalty kick champs tho. Not sure why it seems to wind you Derry boys up. Just facts.
Just amused at your childlike mindset.
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 02:08:23 PM
Considering Armagh are hotly favoured to win regardless of how close the contest could be and considering that McGeeney is currently the most experienced manager in football, wouldn't it be such a huge humiliation for him should Monaghan prevail under the tutelage of a wet behind the ears rookie manager? One who is learning his trade on the hoof, oft times struggling to impress his type of game, good decision making onto the players
Who says Armagh are hotly favoured?
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2023, 09:25:42 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 02:08:23 PM
Considering Armagh are hotly favoured to win regardless of how close the contest could be and considering that McGeeney is currently the most experienced manager in football, wouldn't it be such a huge humiliation for him should Monaghan prevail under the tutelage of a wet behind the ears rookie manager? One who is learning his trade on the hoof, oft times struggling to impress his type of game, good decision making onto the players
Who says Armagh are hotly favoured?
Wind up merchants?
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2023, 09:25:42 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 02:08:23 PM
Considering Armagh are hotly favoured to win regardless of how close the contest could be and considering that McGeeney is currently the most experienced manager in football, wouldn't it be such a huge humiliation for him should Monaghan prevail under the tutelage of a wet behind the ears rookie manager? One who is learning his trade on the hoof, oft times struggling to impress his type of game, good decision making onto the players
Who says Armagh are hotly favoured?
Bookies.
1/2 favs.
Quote from: Hound on June 30, 2023, 10:20:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2023, 09:25:42 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 02:08:23 PM
Considering Armagh are hotly favoured to win regardless of how close the contest could be and considering that McGeeney is currently the most experienced manager in football, wouldn't it be such a huge humiliation for him should Monaghan prevail under the tutelage of a wet behind the ears rookie manager? One who is learning his trade on the hoof, oft times struggling to impress his type of game, good decision making onto the players
Who says Armagh are hotly favoured?
Bookies.
1/2 favs.
Does that make them hotly favoured?
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2023, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 30, 2023, 10:20:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2023, 09:25:42 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 02:08:23 PM
Considering Armagh are hotly favoured to win regardless of how close the contest could be and considering that McGeeney is currently the most experienced manager in football, wouldn't it be such a huge humiliation for him should Monaghan prevail under the tutelage of a wet behind the ears rookie manager? One who is learning his trade on the hoof, oft times struggling to impress his type of game, good decision making onto the players
Who says Armagh are hotly favoured?
Bookies.
1/2 favs.
Does that make them hotly favoured?
Yep. Two to one on is a pretty hot favourite. Guarantees nothing of course.
It means 66.67% of the money placed is on Armagh. (Well, slightly less if you adjust for the bookies' spread).
Quote from: Hound on June 30, 2023, 10:29:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2023, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 30, 2023, 10:20:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2023, 09:25:42 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 02:08:23 PM
Considering Armagh are hotly favoured to win regardless of how close the contest could be and considering that McGeeney is currently the most experienced manager in football, wouldn't it be such a huge humiliation for him should Monaghan prevail under the tutelage of a wet behind the ears rookie manager? One who is learning his trade on the hoof, oft times struggling to impress his type of game, good decision making onto the players
Who says Armagh are hotly favoured?
Bookies.
1/2 favs.
Does that make them hotly favoured?
Yep. Two to one on is a pretty hot favourite. Guarantees nothing of course.
In 2003, we were 10/1 against Monaghan and that didn't save us.
Anyone planning a Just Stop Oil protest?
Quote from: Orior on June 30, 2023, 11:46:39 PM
Anyone planning a Just Stop Oil protest?
Rebrand as just stop red diesel for the day
Quote from: Hound on June 30, 2023, 10:20:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2023, 09:25:42 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2023, 02:08:23 PM
Considering Armagh are hotly favoured to win regardless of how close the contest could be and considering that McGeeney is currently the most experienced manager in football, wouldn't it be such a huge humiliation for him should Monaghan prevail under the tutelage of a wet behind the ears rookie manager? One who is learning his trade on the hoof, oft times struggling to impress his type of game, good decision making onto the players
Who says Armagh are hotly favoured?
Bookies.
1/2 favs.
Most of that market flow must be coming in from Monaghan and Tyrone. Certainly that's were the brimming confidence seems to be emanating from.
Another's day another big game.
As an Armagh fan it's not the disappointment that kills you, it's the hope.
I have a feeling this match could be a repeat of the 2004 quarter final. Fermanagh were hotly unfancied but Armagh with a very good team managed to arse it up.
That match is the reason why Armagh still have the one all Ireland.
Folks, currently in Gran Canaria. Any advice for where would be showing the match live, around Maspalomas, Playa del Ingles? I see a number of Irish bars listed, but one or two reviews suggest Irish in name only and don't show the football. Thanks in advance.
It's all on Conor Lane here. If he lets legitimate tackling happen, Monaghan have some chance. If he, as he often does, allows players to run a mile in possession, it will favour Armagh. Hope its not decided on a stupid black or red card.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 01, 2023, 11:04:31 AM
Folks, currently in Gran Canaria. Any advice for where would be showing the match live, around Maspalomas, Playa del Ingles? I see a number of Irish bars listed, but one or two reviews suggest Irish in name only and don't show the football. Thanks in advance.
There is a place called Mulligan's just been refurbished and do good sausages apparently!
Thank you.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 01, 2023, 11:04:31 AM
Folks, currently in Gran Canaria. Any advice for where would be showing the match live, around Maspalomas, Playa del Ingles? I see a number of Irish bars listed, but one or two reviews suggest Irish in name only and don't show the football. Thanks in advance.
Rufus, the Red Cow / Shenanigans Bar is definitely showing the 2 games today. Should be close enough to where you are. Though I like the sound of the Mulligans sausages
Quote from: JoG2 on July 01, 2023, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 01, 2023, 11:04:31 AM
Folks, currently in Gran Canaria. Any advice for where would be showing the match live, around Maspalomas, Playa del Ingles? I see a number of Irish bars listed, but one or two reviews suggest Irish in name only and don't show the football. Thanks in advance.
Rufus, the Red Cow / Shenanigans Bar is definitely showing the 2 games today. Should be close enough to where you are. Though I like the sound of the Mulligans sausages
Thank you, my friend.
Any lower Hogan tickets floating about the croke park hotel? Looking 2
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0626/1391193-mcgeeney-and-the-quarter-final-rubiks-cube/
Having won three All-Ireland quarter-finals from five as captain of the Orchard County, McGeeney enters Saturday's Croke Park showdown with Monaghan hoping to improve on the 0 from 3 record since agreeing to join the management team in 2014, first as head coach under Paul Grimley and then as manager the following season.
It's fair to say that it's one of the biggest days of his pretty special sporting career.
McGeeney's relationship with Armagh's fanatical support is a peculiar one. If that quarter-final losing run stretches to four against Vinny Corey's side, his future will really be under the microscope. It already is for some.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on July 01, 2023, 11:04:40 AM
It's all on Conor Lane here. If he lets legitimate tackling happen, Monaghan have some chance. If he, as he often does, allows players to run a mile in possession, it will favour Armagh. Hope its not decided on a stupid black or red card.
What a joke. Armagh are a dirtier side than Monaghan.
15 mins gone. Monaghan 0-2 Armagh 0-2
Conor Lane an absolute p***k.
Half time Armagh 0-6 Monaghan 0-5 some fine long range scores thus far.
Poor enough fare.
Mediocre game so far
I thought we'd bomb on and progress from the Galway game, this is utter shite. Imagine that playing Kerry :-\
The only thing you can say is that they played better against Galway in the second half.
Honestly think turbitt would make a massive difference assuming he's not injured. Directness required. Monaghan won't win an attacking game so in their interests to keep it tight.
Poor enough quality.
Monaghan defence have been really good, shooting g has been awful. Should be 3 or 4 in front.
Armagh glimpses of good play.
Either of them playing kerry on today's form would get hammered.
Poor game, hard to watch. Murnin a quality player, Grugan not half the player he used to be. Galway are a much better side than these 2.
Kerry were fantastic in earlier game.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 01, 2023, 06:45:11 PM
Poor enough quality.
Monaghan defence have been really good, shooting g has been awful. Should be 3 or 4 in front.
Armagh glimpses of good play.
Either of them playing kerry on today's form would get hammered.
Beat yes, hammered no I don't think. Both teams playing with real passion and serious work rate. Kerry wouldn't waltz through or turn over either Monaghan or Armagh like they did against Tyrone today
Can see why Conor McManus is on the bench for Monaghan now. He wouldn't be much use in this "modern" game of gaelic football.
First score of the 2nd half to Monaghan 0-6 each 43 mins played.
McManus gets a free for charging. Lane is poor.
Armagh can't tackle without fouling.
Monaghan much more disciplined.
But Armagh can still win as monaghan are struggling to get their scores.
Conor McCarthy excellent.
Regardless of whether they win or lose, Armagh are suffering from paralysis by analysis. Possibly the best forwards in Ireland, all playing as sweepers, or staved off the ball. I'd be absolutely gutted if Down did this.
51 mins played Armagh 0-9 Monaghan 0-9. A more competitive contest than the first match.
We are that afraid of losing that we will probably lose.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 01, 2023, 07:12:21 PM
51 mins played Armagh 0-9 Monaghan 0-9. A more competitive contest than the first match.
But not more watchable
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 01, 2023, 07:12:29 PM
We are that afraid of losing that we will probably lose.
A goal for either team will win it. A right tight battle so far
Grugan not brave enough to go for goal mid way through the second half.
Goal chance for Armagh saved by Beggan.
Campbell not brave enough either.
Fcuk gaago and twitter. Radio it is!
60 mins played are we heading for extra time? 0-11 each.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 01, 2023, 07:19:41 PM
Fcuk gaago and twitter. Radio it is!
Blowitupref not doing a good enough job??
Monaghan kicking themselves out of it.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 01, 2023, 07:21:33 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 01, 2023, 07:19:41 PM
Fcuk gaago and twitter. Radio it is!
Blowitupref not doing a good enough job??
No 😉
Radio always sounds great tbh
Hon Monaghan!
65 mins played Armagh 0-11 Monaghan 0-12. Conor McManus with a big score.
I like referees that let the game flow, but how many times was Raferty fouled taking that ball out.
Stupid handpass from Rafferty giving away the ball
Lane very poor. Why do refs blow overcarrying before it's overcarrying??
69 mins played level again 0-12 each.
Quote from: screenexile on July 01, 2023, 07:29:04 PM
Lane very poor. Why do refs blow overcarrying before it's overcarrying??
Again! He didn't even give the Monaghan lad a chance to play the ball away!
That's never a black card
Shocking black card call there. What the fck did Lane see?
3 mins added in which 1 minute has been played. Monaghan down to 14 with a black card.
Atrocious call for the black there
Never a black car
Think that black is worst call I've ever seen.
FT Armagh 0-12 Monaghan 0-12. Extra time to be played.
Surely that isn't a free in??
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 01, 2023, 07:35:02 PM
FT Armagh 0-12 Monaghan 0-12. Extra time to be played.
You're ahead of me you hooer ye, still playing on my TV ;D
Armagh need to take advantage of being a man up for the first few minutes of ET
Draw a fair result, Lane doing a poor job.
What is McGeeney at?
Such a w**ker McGeeney. Fair shoulder, should have been a free out to Monaghan not a throw ball
What's mcgeeney yapping about there? ref was harsh on Monaghan in those last few minutes
It's getting controversial now.
Wouldn't rule out penalties. Armagh should've taken one of those goal chances.
Quote from: highorlow on July 01, 2023, 07:38:33 PM
It's getting controversial now.
Wouldn't rule out penalties. Armagh should've taken one of those goal chances.
Campbell was the one, he passed the buck. The other one wasn't on, too tight an angle
Quote from: highorlow on July 01, 2023, 07:38:33 PM
It's getting controversial now.
Wouldn't rule out penalties. Armagh should've taken one of those goal chances.
Nor messed around the halfway line for 2 out of those 3 injury time minutes.. Just go for it
Quote from: Estimator on July 01, 2023, 07:32:33 PM
Shocking black card call there. What the fck did Lane see?
A deliberately trip
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on July 01, 2023, 07:45:41 PM
Quote from: Estimator on July 01, 2023, 07:32:33 PM
Shocking black card call there. What the fck did Lane see?
A deliberately trip
Even the most blinkered Armagh fan couldn't believe that. Shocking call.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 01, 2023, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on July 01, 2023, 07:45:41 PM
Quote from: Estimator on July 01, 2023, 07:32:33 PM
Shocking black card call there. What the fck did Lane see?
A deliberately trip
It wasn't, poor call
Campbell actually tripped himself but so hard for ref to see.
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 07:48:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 01, 2023, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on July 01, 2023, 07:45:41 PM
Quote from: Estimator on July 01, 2023, 07:32:33 PM
Shocking black card call there. What the fck did Lane see?
A deliberately trip
It wasn't, poor call
Campbell actually tripped himself but so hard for ref to see.
Is surely, but Lane has to be 110% sure to send a man off in such a tight game
McGeeney will get a ban hopefully. You can't hit a player.
You'd think Armagh's subs will win this for them now. Lane will probably do something daft again.
Half time in extra time Armagh 0-13 Monaghan 0-13. Conor Lane still making strange decisions.
Oh look at me I'm holding an orange ffs.
Armagh far too conservative. Firepower up front and their top scorer from play is a corner back.
Lane will play for penalties if he gets the chance.
Sneaky dirty hit by Mackin.
A mistake will decide this game.
Hawk eye broken again.
Hawk eye isn't even watching.
Do Armagh want to win.
3 mins left to play Armagh 0-13 Monaghan 0-13
Monaghan will win the penalties
3 mins of added time to be played still 0-13 each.
Armagh lead by 1, with 30 seconds to play.
Lane will give Monaghan a soft free for the draw
f**k off conor Lane you f**king p***k
Smart play from Monaghan
Free in for Monaghan in the 6th minute of added time and scored.
Grugan.
Oh Christ! Penalties
Mc Geeney will take one himself surely
Deserved draw.
Armagh. Penalties. Surely not again..... :P
That wouldn't be a free at any other stage of the match. Grugen should've been subbed earlier anyhow. He missed a sitter point and didn't round the keeper when 1 on 1 for goal.
Monaghan will win now.
Will Armagh bottle it at penalties again or will they finally get one?
For what it's worth, monaghan we're better I feel.
That was a monster from RON to go ahead.
Mcmanus is some operator.
Not a bit of wonder refs get so much stick...
Monaghan No4 will be relieved man after the poor turnover. Draw a fair result but it should be a replay instead of a bunch of knackered players taking penalties. I'd expect more misses than scores
Quote from: Itchy on July 01, 2023, 08:25:40 PM
Monaghan No4 will be relieved man after the poor turnover. Draw a fair result but it should be a replay instead of a bunch of knackered players taking penalties. I'd expect more misses than scores
absolutely. f**k this not good on heart
Quote from: highorlow on July 01, 2023, 08:24:39 PM
That wouldn't be a free at any other stage of the match. Grugen should've been subbed earlier anyhow. He missed a sitter point and didn't round the keeper when 1 on 1 for goal.
Monaghan will win now.
But it was a foul all day long. Slapping at a man's ribs isn't legal tackle.
Armagh, 3 mins to go and O'Neill stands on his own D for nearly a minute waiting to take a free out, WTF?
Balls. I think this finish on the day is far better craic.
It was very soft.
First 4 all scored.
I'd no idea they'd put them through the ringer the second time! :o
Will they go a third time? ;D
Penalties how they played out
Monaghan 1-0 Armagh Scored
Monaghan 1-1 Armagh scored
Monaghan 2-1 Armagh scored
Monaghan 2-2 Armagh scored
Monaghan 3-2 Armagh scored
Monaghan 3-2 Armagh saved
Monaghan 4-2 Armagh scored
Monaghan 4-3 Armagh scored
Monaghan 4-3 Armagh saved
Monaghan 4-4 Armagh scored
Sudden death
Monaghan 5-4 Armagh scored
Monaghan 5-5 Armagh scored
Monaghan 6-5 Armagh scored
Monaghan 6-6 Armagh scored
Monaghan 7-6 Armagh scored
Monaghan 7-7 Armagh scored
Monaghan 8-7 Armagh scored
Monaghan 8-8 Armagh scored
Monaghan 9-8 Armagh scored
Monaghan 9-8 Armagh missed
Cruel
Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2023, 08:40:07 PM
I'd no idea they'd put them through the ringer the second time! :o
Will they go a third time? ;D
Yeah has to be the same players
Harsh way to go out, feel for the no 7.
Cruel on Armagh.
Get innnn, hup Monaghan
Given that Armagh invented the penalty kick, you'd have thought they'd be half decent at them by this stage.
Jesus Christ did they lose on pens again? Worse than England
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 01, 2023, 08:43:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2023, 08:40:07 PM
I'd no idea they'd put them through the ringer the second time! :o
Will they go a third time? ;D
Yeah has to be the same players
That's a daft an unfair rule, you'd feel for the poor lad who missed twice
Quote from: Itchy on July 01, 2023, 08:44:54 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 01, 2023, 08:43:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2023, 08:40:07 PM
I'd no idea they'd put them through the ringer the second time! :o
Will they go a third time? ;D
Yeah has to be the same players
That's a daft an unfair rule, you'd feel for the poor lad who missed twice
Yeah and they pushed him down the rotation the second time, obviously hoping he wouldn't have to take another one
Really unfair on that poor fella cummiskey.
Tbh, and I say as a neutral, Armagh really need to look at their tactics. They must be infuriating to support playing like that considering the players at their disposal.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2023, 08:46:20 PM
Really unfair on that poor fella cummiskey.
Tbh, and I say as a neutral, Armagh really need to look at their tactics. They must be infuriating to support playing like that considering the players at their disposal.
He hit his penalties from the same spot and against the same keeper as the rest of them. It was entirely fair.
So far, these knockouts have been a victory for football.
The team with the lesser players has no choice but to try to keep it close. Armagh (like Galway and Roscommon last week) were so f**king wedded to the idea that they had prevent defeat rather than try to win... and now all 3 have got what they deserved.
Fair fucks Monaghan.
Keep coming year after year putting larger counties to shame.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2023, 08:46:20 PM
Really unfair on that poor fella cummiskey.
Tbh, and I say as a neutral, Armagh really need to look at their tactics. They must be infuriating to support playing like that considering the players at their disposal.
Lol
Quote from: thewobbler on July 01, 2023, 08:47:08 PM
So far, these knockouts have been a victory for football.
The team with the lesser players has no choice but to try to keep it close. Armagh (like Galway and Roscommon last week) were so f**king wedded to the idea that they had prevent defeat rather than try to win... and now all 3 have got what they deserved.
Is it a deliberate tactic to close up or just a lack of confidence in their own game?
Bloody penalties again! Seven minutes added in a ten minute period in extra time allowed Monaghan into that shootout.
The turnover kings and the penalty kings prevail.
I take it that both sets of fans went through exactly the same gut wrenching experience for 100mins and in the end it was a toss of the coin.
But God was on our side :)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 01, 2023, 08:48:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 01, 2023, 08:47:08 PM
So far, these knockouts have been a victory for football.
The team with the lesser players has no choice but to try to keep it close. Armagh (like Galway and Roscommon last week) were so f**king wedded to the idea that they had prevent defeat rather than try to win... and now all 3 have got what they deserved.
Is it a deliberate tactic to close up or just a lack of confidence in their own game?
It's even simpler than that. It's managers who don't trust their players.
Idiots.
Quote from: highorlow on July 01, 2023, 08:19:54 PM
Lane will give Monaghan a soft free for the draw
Fking soft free
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2023, 08:49:55 PM
Bloody penalties again! Seven minutes added in a ten minute period in extra time allowed Monaghan into that shootout.
Because Murnin (?) was lying injured with over 20 secs left on the clock. Should Monaghan not get that time to get a shot off considering the game was stopped for an Armagh injury??
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2023, 08:49:55 PM
Bloody penalties again! Seven minutes added in a ten minute period in extra time allowed Monaghan into that shootout.
Grugan (?) was down with cramp for maybe 5 or 6 minutes getting treatment in injury time.
Edit - might have been murnin yes.
Quote from: naka on July 01, 2023, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 01, 2023, 08:19:54 PM
Lane will give Monaghan a soft free for the draw
Fking soft free
It wasn't a soft free.
—-
Armagh (undeservedly) played for 10 mins against 14 men and never once tried a press.
They've got what they deserve.
Pathetic shite from Armagh. Cowardly even I would say after playing with some balls the last day v Galway.
Congrats to Monaghan, you aren't the Penalty Kick Champs tho, Derry still got that title.
Wouldnt feel too sorry for any team loosing that on penalties or any other way. 28 points in 120 minutes of football says it all.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 01, 2023, 08:58:39 PM
Pathetic shite from Armagh. Cowardly even I would say after playing with some balls the last day v Galway.
Congrats to Monaghan, you aren't the Penalty Kick Champs tho, Derry still got that title.
Good man yourself Benny!
Same 5 men taking the penalties has to be looked at. The fella missing first time is under wild mental pressure in the next cycle.
If you aren't in the 5 taking the penos, you are chilling. 1/3 of the team taking all the burden.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 01, 2023, 08:54:36 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2023, 08:49:55 PM
Bloody penalties again! Seven minutes added in a ten minute period in extra time allowed Monaghan into that shootout.
Grugan (?) was down with cramp for maybe 5 or 6 minutes getting treatment in injury time.
Edit - might have been murnin yes.
Tbh he could have played more.
Yeah 15 players should have to take penalties.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 01, 2023, 08:58:39 PM
Pathetic shite from Armagh. Cowardly even I would say after playing with some balls the last day v Galway.
Congrats to Monaghan, you aren't the Penalty Kick Champs tho, Derry still got that title.
Correct. Had 100 minutes to try and win the game and didn't bother. When a man up let Monaghan play keep ball.
Quote from: didlyi on July 01, 2023, 09:01:03 PM
Wouldnt feel too sorry for any team loosing that on penalties or any other way. 28 points in 120 minutes of football says it all.
Just go fck yourself and your sorrow gifts.
Sadly we could see a Derry vs Monaghan semi final. Would be the easiest route to an AI final in history for Derry.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 01, 2023, 09:09:45 PM
Sadly we could see a Derry vs Monaghan semi final. Would be the easiest route to an AI final in history for Derry.
Thought this wasn't allowed?
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 01, 2023, 09:10:18 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 01, 2023, 09:09:45 PM
Sadly we could see a Derry vs Monaghan semi final. Would be the easiest route to an AI final in history for Derry.
Thought this wasn't allowed?
SDB is a wart on a cancerous tumor, best ignored.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 01, 2023, 09:09:45 PM
Sadly we could see a Derry vs Monaghan semi final. Would be the easiest route to an AI final in history for Derry.
Are you sure about that Coco?? ;D
I enjoyed the game. Really don't get the hate for penalties. I think the finaih in the day is far better.ike so many have said before, sure what losing to a bad ref decison or that is just as bad if not worse.
Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2023, 09:03:21 PM
Quote from: didlyi on July 01, 2023, 09:01:03 PM
Wouldnt feel too sorry for any team loosing that on penalties or any other way. 28 points in 120 minutes of football says it all.
Just go fck yourself and your sorrow gifts.
Did Armagh not lose again then?
Quote from: bennydorano on July 01, 2023, 08:58:39 PM
Pathetic shite from Armagh. Cowardly even I would say after playing with some balls the last day v Galway.
Congrats to Monaghan, you aren't the Penalty Kick Champs tho, Derry still got that title.
Pathetic shite tends to stick with some posters!!!
Quote from: thewobbler on July 01, 2023, 08:56:10 PM
Quote from: naka on July 01, 2023, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 01, 2023, 08:19:54 PM
Lane will give Monaghan a soft free for the draw
Fking soft free
It wasn't a soft free.
Armagh (undeservedly) played for 10 mins against 14 men and never once tried a press.
They've got what they deserve.
It was a soft free
He played for a draw
GNe was up when rian scored
don't let the red and black blinkers cover your view
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 01, 2023, 08:58:39 PM
Pathetic shite from Armagh. Cowardly even I would say after playing with some balls the last day v Galway.
Congrats to Monaghan, you aren't the Penalty Kick Champs tho, Derry still got that title.
Pathetic shite tends to stick with some posters!!!
That is correct. Some posters contribute nothing overall.
Quote from: naka on July 01, 2023, 09:21:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 01, 2023, 08:56:10 PM
Quote from: naka on July 01, 2023, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 01, 2023, 08:19:54 PM
Lane will give Monaghan a soft free for the draw
Fking soft free
It wasn't a soft free.
Armagh (undeservedly) played for 10 mins against 14 men and never once tried a press.
They've got what they deserve.
It was a soft free
He played for a draw
GNe was up when rian scored
don't let the red and black blinkers cover your view
Grugan's poor 'tackling' made the decision easy.
Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2023, 08:47:56 PM
Fair fucks Monaghan.
Keep coming year after year putting larger counties to shame.
Absolutely. Punching way above their weight year after year and good luck to them in the semi final.
Hawk Eye fails again - pathetic.
Quote from: grounded on July 01, 2023, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2023, 08:47:56 PM
Fair fucks Monaghan.
Keep coming year after year putting larger counties to shame.
Absolutely. Punching way above their weight year after year and good luck to them in the semi final.
We don't, this is our weight. We have a good academy structure, an excellent ethos and a good future. We are Monaghan!
Monaghan are dogged, deserved it at the end. Armagh had goal chances to win it in normal time, lacked conviction, and missed 2 handy points at the start of extra time. Team that goes first in penalty shootouts wins 3/5 of the time
Well done Monaghan...
I delighted for you.. you hung there.
From disappointed a disappointed Tyrone supporter.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 01, 2023, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 01, 2023, 08:58:39 PM
Pathetic shite from Armagh. Cowardly even I would say after playing with some balls the last day v Galway.
Congrats to Monaghan, you aren't the Penalty Kick Champs tho, Derry still got that title.
Pathetic shite tends to stick with some posters!!!
That is correct. Some posters contribute nothing overall.
Did Armagh lose?
Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2023, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: grounded on July 01, 2023, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2023, 08:47:56 PM
Fair fucks Monaghan.
Keep coming year after year putting larger counties to shame.
Absolutely. Punching way above their weight year after year and good luck to them in the semi final.
We don't, this is our weight. We have a good academy structure, an excellent ethos and a good future. We are Monaghan!
We all saw Monaghan's true "weight" against a piss poor Donegal side.
Someone had to win but both teams were afraid to go for it. Saying that Armaghs refusal to push up with an extra man was ridiculous, especially as the black card straddled the break between normal time and extra time which meant that standing off was an instruction from the line, not something on field. A sad indictment of McGeeney I would say. But no doubt he will go another year.
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 01, 2023, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 01, 2023, 08:58:39 PM
Pathetic shite from Armagh. Cowardly even I would say after playing with some balls the last day v Galway.
Congrats to Monaghan, you aren't the Penalty Kick Champs tho, Derry still got that title.
Pathetic shite tends to stick with some posters!!!
That is correct. Some posters contribute nothing overall.
Did Armagh lose?
Yes, on penalty kicks. Fatal this time tho.
Shite match. Armagh were brutal, Monaghan not much better. Game was there for the taking from an Armagh perspective. Ref was abysmal, looked a black card but I'll need to see it on tv as I thought it was a definite deliberate trip. Absolutely a soft free, if that's a free then wtf was every other bit of contact made in the previous hour that wasn't blown? Armagh need to shake things up at management level, criminal decision making, players are being over-coached.
Lots of incidents that get bypassed, Jemar Hall got buried and didnt even get a free, he went off and never came back on, Terrible call by Lane at a crucial time late in 2nd.
Bar the black card which was very wrong I thought ref did well enough. I'm sure there will be an influx of Armagh ones crying about the ref but they have only themselves to blame, same as in ulster final.
Kieran mc Geeney must be the most unlucky supremo never seems to get any luck.
Quote from: Itchy on July 01, 2023, 10:03:38 PM
Bar the black card which was very wrong I thought ref did well enough. I'm sure there will be an influx of Armagh ones crying about the ref but they have only themselves to blame, same as in ulster final.
I have to admit there was a thoughtful consistency about the way he reffed the game. It's safe to say that the black card did not impact the result even had Armagh prevailed in the penalties.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 01, 2023, 09:42:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2023, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: grounded on July 01, 2023, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2023, 08:47:56 PM
Fair fucks Monaghan.
Keep coming year after year putting larger counties to shame.
Absolutely. Punching way above their weight year after year and good luck to them in the semi final.
We don't, this is our weight. We have a good academy structure, an excellent ethos and a good future. We are Monaghan!
We all saw Monaghan's true "weight" against a piss poor Donegal side.
Was that a knock out championship game?
Corey targets games, fair play. One of the favourites for the drop & now in the All Ireland semi, fair play.
I noticed and Murphy on commentary mentioned also the Armagh players reacting to every penalty with fist pumps etc. Monaghan seemed a lot more measured. Surely that emotion is draining to the players and they aren't mentally set to make the right decision next time round. I'm not a sports psychologist but I wonder if that is something coached or more of a team culture that develops naturally.
Corey has done a great job. Comes across a decent sort too so nice to see. Monaghan aren't a huge county but consistently are among the top teams in the country. Fair play to them.
Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2023, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: grounded on July 01, 2023, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2023, 08:47:56 PM
Fair fucks Monaghan.
Keep coming year after year putting larger counties to shame.
Absolutely. Punching way above their weight year after year and good luck to them in the semi final.
We don't, this is our weight. We have a good academy structure, an excellent ethos and a good future. We are Monaghan!
You could teach our lot a few things in terms of how a county structure should be set up and run, that's for sure.
Is it over for Geezer?
Quote from: Itchy on July 01, 2023, 10:03:38 PM
Bar the black card which was very wrong I thought ref did well enough. I'm sure there will be an influx of Armagh ones crying about the ref but they have only themselves to blame, same as in ulster final.
Why would we blame the ref? If players can't put the ball in the net when one on one then they've no business winning. If the management haven't the balls to press when there's an extra man for ten mins then they deserve to lose.
Tbh I think armagh and Tyrone could do with new management.
Quote from: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 10:13:42 PM
Is it over for Geezer?
Thought we didn't want to lose more than going to win
Criminal tactics in extra time when we were a man up
Think it's time for a different leader
Just fed up
We aren't a bad side just need to go for it
Quote from: naka on July 01, 2023, 10:17:12 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 10:13:42 PM
Is it over for Geezer?
Thought we didn't want to lose more than going to win
Criminal tactics in extra time when we were a man up
Think it's time for a different leader
Just fed up
We aren't a bad side just need to go for it
Grugan goes for goal scores game was over.
Quote from: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 10:19:09 PM
Quote from: naka on July 01, 2023, 10:17:12 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 10:13:42 PM
Is it over for Geezer?
Thought we didn't want to lose more than going to win
Criminal tactics in extra time when we were a man up
Think it's time for a different leader
Just fed up
We aren't a bad side just need to go for it
Grugan goes for goal scores game was over.
Grugans was too tight an angle, Campbell was the one that needed to go for goal
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2023, 10:12:01 PM
Corey has done a great job. Comes across a decent sort too so nice to see. Monaghan aren't a huge county but consistently are among the top teams in the country. Fair play to them.
Would agree, didnt feel the need to shoulder an opposition player at the end of normal time either. Very measured fella. Monaghan deserved to win this game. Good spread of very talented players too. Armagh have very good players, but need changes on the line, far to conservative in their approach.
I heard tonight from a Derry man, that Donaghy has been approached to join the Down coaching team.
Quote from: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 10:13:42 PM
Is it over for Geezer?
Be careful what you wish for, Armagh have had very little success at underage level or club level. McGeeney has done well with the squad he has. Narrative seems to be different for Armagh than Monaghan but it should be the same.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on July 01, 2023, 10:10:38 PM
I noticed and Murphy on commentary mentioned also the Armagh players reacting to every penalty with fist pumps etc. Monaghan seemed a lot more measured. Surely that emotion is draining to the players and they aren't mentally set to make the right decision next time round. I'm not a sports psychologist but I wonder if that is something coached or more of a team culture that develops naturally.
You're over analysing.
Expectation seemed to weigh heavy on Ard Mhacha. Grugan took a mark, possible score, then passed across the pitch. Fear of missing. Overplayed the ball too often. O'Neiil has big moments but no consistency. McGeeney too intense, players seem to reflect that.
Quote from: Mario on July 01, 2023, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 10:13:42 PM
Is it over for Geezer?
Be careful what you wish for, Armagh have had very little success at underage level or club level. McGeeney has done well with the squad he has. Narrative seems to be different for Armagh than Monaghan but it should be the same.
If Armagh are not seriously questioning experienced manager McGeeney's tenure, considering with arguably a better squad he was outdone by a rookie manager (albeit in a drawn game), then????
But that's not of my concern.
An aside, such false hard man posturing on the field of play, riling up Monaghan player Mohan to a reaction was totally unacceptable.
Quote from: Mario on July 01, 2023, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 10:13:42 PM
Is it over for Geezer?
Be careful what you wish for, Armagh have had very little success at underage level or club level. McGeeney has done well with the squad he has. Narrative seems to be different for Armagh than Monaghan but it should be the same.
Big time. At Minors, 20s and school level they are not producing. A lot of very average players (especially in defence) playing at their max!
Quote from: skeog on July 01, 2023, 10:07:29 PM
Kieran mc Geeney must be the most unlucky supremo never seems to get any luck.
As a player he made his own luck. Backed himself to make the big pass, to make the big hit. He was absolutely sublime.
As a manager he's the opposite.
Lucky is as lucky does.
Quote from: Mario on July 01, 2023, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 10:13:42 PM
Is it over for Geezer?
Be careful what you wish for, Armagh have had very little success at underage level or club level. McGeeney has done well with the squad he has. Narrative seems to be different for Armagh than Monaghan but it should be the same.
From outside looking in Mcgeeney hasnt achieved much with Armagh or Kildare. However from any player interview they seem to think extremely highly of him. He's probably a decent manager but both sides need a tactical innovator to make the leap. We got it in Gallagher, but he's finished in the game now obviously and rightly so.
Haven't read the thread just came in to ask. Are Armagh now the England of GAA
There's one for the Derry boys.
Vinny Corey: "We didn't win the match, we won a penalty shootout"
Monaghan converted nine of their ten spot kicks.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41174728.html
Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2023, 09:03:21 PM
Quote from: didlyi on July 01, 2023, 09:01:03 PM
Wouldnt feel too sorry for any team loosing that on penalties or any other way. 28 points in 120 minutes of football says it all.
Just go fck yourself and your sorrow gifts.
Fcuk you too and the load of shyte served up.
Manners lads!
Quote from: Rudi on July 01, 2023, 10:25:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2023, 10:12:01 PM
Corey has done a great job. Comes across a decent sort too so nice to see. Monaghan aren't a huge county but consistently are among the top teams in the country. Fair play to them.
Would agree, didnt feel the need to shoulder an opposition player at the end of normal time either. Very measured fella. Monaghan deserved to win this game. Good spread of very talented players too. Armagh have very good players, but need changes on the line, far to conservative in their approach.
Conservative is the word. By all means have O'Neill defending when needed and dropping into the middle third to get on the ball and make things happen, but having him deep in his own half when the game is in the balance and he's the teams game changer......
Great admiration for Monaghan, 28th county population wise and another top 4 spot for the 2nd time in 6 years. Watching them walking off after a fairly heavy defeat in the Ulster semi v Derry, you could see how much it hurt. Fast forward a few weeks to Celtic Park, the old dogged Monaghan showed up, pride and ability in abundance
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 10:39:26 PM
Expectation seemed to weigh heavy on Ard Mhacha. Grugan took a mark, possible score, then passed across the pitch. Fear of missing. Overplayed the ball too often. O'Neiil has big moments but no consistency. McGeeney too intense, players seem to reflect that.
He wasn't in a great position for shooting, the big problem was that he hit a bad pass across the field.
Armagh often did the hard bit and then fluffed the next pass or whatever.
Armagh management came up with this very defensive set-up this year to cover a poor enough defence. But this set-up goes against the attacking ability of their good Forwards. They better playing a more attacking game to suit the players they have. Derry play defensive because they got a very good defence and, Midfield but are short up front, Armagh are the opposite.
Probably the first time i've said it in a long while, but that defeat is almost entirely on management. Not sure why we left O'Connell and McCarthy unmarked. As others have said we set up to not lose rather than to win. Feels far worse than the Derry/Galway games for some reason.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2023, 10:12:01 PM
Corey has done a great job. Comes across a decent sort too so nice to see. Monaghan aren't a huge county but consistently are among the top teams in the country. Fair play to them.
Know Vinny since he was a young lad togging out at underage for Clontibret - absolute salt of the earth, no BS kind of fella. Couldn't be more delighted for the job he's done so far. I always figured he was destined for this job at some point as he's a natural leader and there wouldn't be many more respected fellas in Monaghan GAA - but I'd say if you asked him, he'd say in an ideal world he wouldn't have got this job so quick. But the county were struggling to get a new manager and, Vinny being who he is, wasn't going to see his county stuck.
We'd been written off at the start of year for relegation and not much else, yet here we are in an AI semi and with Division 1 football yet again in 2024.
Well done to Monaghan. An all Ireland semi final is some achievement for the county.
Hard luck to Armagh. At least ye got further than Galway this year.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2023, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 10:39:26 PM
Expectation seemed to weigh heavy on Ard Mhacha. Grugan took a mark, possible score, then passed across the pitch. Fear of missing. Overplayed the ball too often. O'Neiil has big moments but no consistency. McGeeney too intense, players seem to reflect that.
He wasn't in a great position for shooting, the big problem was that he hit a bad pass across the field.
Armagh often did the hard bit and then fluffed the next pass or whatever.
Why did he claim a mark then? He bottled it.
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 07:50:45 PM
McGeeney will get a ban hopefully. You can't hit a player.
Hard man Mc Geeney deliberately nudging a Monaghan player. Trying to be the tough lad by mouthing off to everyone instead of getting in to chat/organise his players.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 01, 2023, 08:10:51 PM
Hawk eye isn't even watching.
How much is the GAA paying for this every year.
It's a joke.
Interesting after the game Vinnie Corey said they didn't practice penalties he simply chose the five fellas he trusted the most to take them.
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 11:26:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2023, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 10:39:26 PM
Expectation seemed to weigh heavy on Ard Mhacha. Grugan took a mark, possible score, then passed across the pitch. Fear of missing. Overplayed the ball too often. O'Neiil has big moments but no consistency. McGeeney too intense, players seem to reflect that.
He wasn't in a great position for shooting, the big problem was that he hit a bad pass across the field.
Armagh often did the hard bit and then fluffed the next pass or whatever.
Why did he claim a mark then? He bottled it.
Why not? You still get to make your pass without a Monaghan man hanging out of you.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2023, 11:31:35 PM
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 11:26:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2023, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 10:39:26 PM
Expectation seemed to weigh heavy on Ard Mhacha. Grugan took a mark, possible score, then passed across the pitch. Fear of missing. Overplayed the ball too often. O'Neiil has big moments but no consistency. McGeeney too intense, players seem to reflect that.
He wasn't in a great position for shooting, the big problem was that he hit a bad pass across the field.
Armagh often did the hard bit and then fluffed the next pass or whatever.
Why did he claim a mark then? He bottled it.
Why not? You still get to make your pass without a Monaghan man hanging out of you.
No - you give the opposition 3-4 seconds to re-position.
Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2023, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: grounded on July 01, 2023, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2023, 08:47:56 PM
Fair fucks Monaghan.
Keep coming year after year putting larger counties to shame.
Absolutely. Punching way above their weight year after year and good luck to them in the semi final.
We don't, this is our weight. We have a good academy structure, an excellent ethos and a good future. We are Monaghan!
Clearly you have those attributes in abundance but i was referring more to the county in terms population and consequently number of senior clubs/players.
Over the moon for you and good luck the next day.
At least some Armagh fans went home happy
https://www.sportsfile.com/id/2556040/
Quote from: square_ball on July 01, 2023, 11:37:33 PM
At least some Armagh fans went home happy
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Some of those Monaghan lads would throw themselves head first in front of a train. They deserved it.
Some Armagh players and back room team on the half way encouraging the crowd in the Davin to wave their arms to put off the Monaghan penalty takers was a bit pathetic.
Armagh really have a chip on their shoulder. Seen Armagh supporters with kerry flags.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2023, 10:12:01 PM
Corey has done a great job. Comes across a decent sort too so nice to see. Monaghan aren't a huge county but consistently are among the top teams in the country. Fair play to them.
Agree. He's done a great job. A tricky one for him to come in and him knowing a lot of the players very well also. Could have went belly up quick enough but he's stuck at it and into an All Ireland semi-final in 2 weeks.
Seems a decent lad also.
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2023, 11:41:26 PM
Armagh really have a chip on their shoulder. Seen Armagh supporters with kerry flags.
Even seen Armagh fans cheer the Kerry bus as it arrived into Croke Park. Weird behaviour.
Quote from: square_ball on July 01, 2023, 11:43:13 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2023, 11:41:26 PM
Armagh really have a chip on their shoulder. Seen Armagh supporters with kerry flags.
Even seen Armagh fans cheer the Kerry bus as it arrived into Croke Park. Weird behaviour.
Weird Is right.
Don't know what was worst.... having to walk out of CP hammered whilst the Armagh ones went in. Or having to witness the majority of Armagh women completely locked on the way in to their match at that time
It was worth Aidan Forker getting man of the match to see him interviewed after the game. Lemons not Oranges.
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2023, 11:45:46 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 01, 2023, 11:43:13 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2023, 11:41:26 PM
Armagh really have a chip on their shoulder. Seen Armagh supporters with kerry flags.
Even seen Armagh fans cheer the Kerry bus as it arrived into Croke Park. Weird behaviour.
Weird Is right.
Don't know what was worst.... having to walk out of CP hammered whilst the Armagh ones went in. Or having to witness the majority of Armagh women completely locked on the way in to their match at that time
How were the men?
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on July 01, 2023, 11:57:28 PM
It was worth Aidan Forker getting man of the match to see him interviewed after the game. Lemons not Oranges.
How many yellows did he get the day?
Armagh fans are a blight on the GAA
Not much I can, or want to, say about that other than disappointing we didn't play as well as we could. Wel done Monaghan and good luck in the semi final.
Penalties are part of the game now so no point complaining but surely the same players taking them over again needs to change
Armagh can have no one to blame but themselves for that today. Not a coincidence they keep ending up at the mercy of penalties. They had plenty of chances to kill off that game today in normal time but where far too laboured. Criminal given some of the forwards they have.
Lovely video of Armagh and Monaghan 'fans' beating the heads of each other on the hill today.
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 02, 2023, 12:06:05 AM
Not much I can, or want to, say about that other than disappointing we didn't play as well as we could. Wel done Monaghan and good luck in the semi final.
Penalties are part of the game now so no point complaining but surely the same players taking them over again needs to change
Ridiculous that the same 5 lads have to keep taking penalties. If we are doing penalties we might as well go all in soccer style and only when all 15 players have taken one go back around again...lol. Thought today they where going to have to turn the floodlights on before there was a winning penalty.
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 11:57:57 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2023, 11:45:46 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 01, 2023, 11:43:13 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2023, 11:41:26 PM
Armagh really have a chip on their shoulder. Seen Armagh supporters with kerry flags.
Even seen Armagh fans cheer the Kerry bus as it arrived into Croke Park. Weird behaviour.
Weird Is right.
Don't know what was worst.... having to walk out of CP hammered whilst the Armagh ones went in. Or having to witness the majority of Armagh women completely locked on the way in to their match at that time
How were the men?
Respectable in comparison
Watching the game on ytube, shockingly poor compared to the first game.
Worse than the Laois Down game last week..
Thankfully we didn't have a miss match... oh we did Armagh and Tyrone were shite
Maybe not that bad, it was competive but Armagh have got very hard to watch,
Both teams today have a fair number of men over 30, doubt there be a no. Of retirements in the off season.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 02, 2023, 01:24:08 AM
Both teams today have a fair number of men over 30, doubt there be a no. Of retirements in the off season.
Looked like McNamee has made his decision. He was hugging all his team mates at the end
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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 02, 2023, 12:06:05 AM
Not much I can, or want to, say about that other than disappointing we didn't play as well as we could. Wel done Monaghan and good luck in the semi final.
Penalties are part of the game now so no point complaining but surely the same players taking them over again needs to change
Ridiculous that the same 5 lads have to keep taking penalties. If we are doing penalties we might as well go all in soccer style and only when all 15 players have taken one go back around again...lol. Thought today they where going to have to turn the floodlights on before there was a winning penalty.
Agreed. I particularly feel for Comiskey tonight
To all the armagh fans shouting to me as I left the ground today, put that in your pipe and smoke it and breath in for 21 long years
No.9 Lavelle couldn't tackle to save his life. Gave away some very easy frees which Armagh scored.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 02, 2023, 01:59:31 AM
No.9 Lavelle couldn't tackle to save his life. Gave away some very easy frees which Armagh scored.
He's not a man marker at all, did a grand job against Kildare but wasn't the man to play in that position today. Had we not won, that tactical move would have been under alot of scrutiny. At least a few points came directly from him, and in such a tight game that's huge. Good young player but just not in that position.
Kieran McGeeney, what a dick. What he playing at, at the end there.
No matter who lost today they were going to walk off disappointed with themselves. Both teams showed reluctance to make best use of the chances they had. Both teams had plenty of opportunities to win that game.
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Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2023, 08:47:56 PM
Fair fucks Monaghan.
Keep coming year after year putting larger counties to shame.
Absolutely. Punching way above their weight year after year and good luck to them in the semi final.
We don't, this is our weight. We have a good academy structure, an excellent ethos and a good future. We are Monaghan!
Clearly you have those attributes in abundance but i was referring more to the county in terms population and consequently number of senior clubs/players.
Over the moon for you and good luck the next day.
It's just this 'punching above our weight' bit has run its course a long time ago, even when the statement (as yours) was made totally without malice. Monaghan has a population similar to many other counties, eg. Roscommon, Sligo, maybe a bit less than Cavan. Once upon a time Monaghan had one of the lowest populations and regarded as impoverished, but not any more, we've been breeding like rabbits these last 3 decades. It was considered our honourable duty to do so for the cause of Monaghan football and raise our economic prowess.
When the Rossies have their pecker up, nobody puts it out that the Rossies are punching above their weight. Sligo have made great strides with their underage, all counties have a similar opportunity to make the most of developing their gaelic footballers, apart from Dublin that is, who have a permanent one arm bandit that hits jackpot with every pull.
Quote from: restorepride on July 01, 2023, 11:33:27 PM
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Expectation seemed to weigh heavy on Ard Mhacha. Grugan took a mark, possible score, then passed across the pitch. Fear of missing. Overplayed the ball too often. O'Neiil has big moments but no consistency. McGeeney too intense, players seem to reflect that.
He wasn't in a great position for shooting, the big problem was that he hit a bad pass across the field.
Armagh often did the hard bit and then fluffed the next pass or whatever.
Why did he claim a mark then? He bottled it.
Why not? You still get to make your pass without a Monaghan man hanging out of you.
No - you give the opposition 3-4 seconds to re-position.
Too much analysis, in the heat of the game Grugan claimed a mark near to the sideline and decided (in 2 or 3 milliseconds) to pass it to a player better placed to take a point. Them's the breaks at Croke Park with the clock ticking, an All Ireland semi final place beckons and exhaustion factors.
Monaghan should have had that game sewn up in normal time. Kicked 11 wides to Armagh's 2, and coughed up 3 or 4 scores from bad turnovers. Armagh hadn't the quality up front to take advantage. As expected, Conor Lane couldn't resist at least one black/red - the Jones card was a disgraceful call. But at least he got Gary Mohans tackle right on full time- should've been a free out to Monaghan as Tubritt then overheld on the deck. What was McGeeney doing on the pitch at that point?
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2023, 11:13:23 PM
Probably the first time i've said it in a long while, but that defeat is almost entirely on management. Not sure why we left O'Connell and McCarthy unmarked. As others have said we set up to not lose rather than to win. Feels far worse than the Derry/Galway games for some reason.
Because they didn't kick in from last year. Because the all Ireland is there for the taking.
Quote from: Itchy on July 01, 2023, 09:47:27 PM
Someone had to win but both teams were afraid to go for it. Saying that Armaghs refusal to push up with an extra man was ridiculous, especially as the black card straddled the break between normal time and extra time which meant that standing off was an instruction from the line, not something on field. A sad indictment of McGeeney I would say. But no doubt he will go another year.
In fairness to them they could never have foreseen a situation like that, if exactly the same thing had happened to them earlier in the championship they'd have discussed what they should have done in that situation and committed to taking the game to the opposition if it ever happened again, but what are the chances of playing the first period of extra time a man up due to a black card twice??
Quote from: An Watcher on July 02, 2023, 01:47:08 AM
To all the armagh fans shouting to me as I left the ground today, put that in your pipe and smoke it and breath in for 21 long years
X2. The abuse they gave me and the two kids was pathetic. I can take banter but foul and abusive language crossed the line. Their team is like England and their fans behave the same way. Great to see them bate. Great to see them suffer on pens again.
Anyone here involved in the punch up in Hill 16? Asking for a Garda friend.
Quote from: trailer on July 02, 2023, 07:22:44 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on July 02, 2023, 01:47:08 AM
To all the armagh fans shouting to me as I left the ground today, put that in your pipe and smoke it and breath in for 21 long years
X2. The abuse they gave me and the two kids was pathetic. I can take banter but foul and abusive language crossed the line. Their team is like England and their fans behave the same way. Great to see them bate. Great to see them suffer on pens again.
I would to apologise for all the parts. Poor upbringing and too many drugs
These teams played 2 years ago in ulster:
Armagh 2.21 Monaghan 4.17 (both teams scored 0.4 from placed balls)
So I guess you could say geezer learnt from that defeat and adapted his tactics as they managed a draw yesterday.
Quote from: trailer on July 02, 2023, 07:22:44 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on July 02, 2023, 01:47:08 AM
To all the armagh fans shouting to me as I left the ground today, put that in your pipe and smoke it and breath in for 21 long years
X2. The abuse they gave me and the two kids was pathetic. I can take banter but foul and abusive language crossed the line. Their team is like England and their fans behave the same way. Great to see them bate. Great to see them suffer on pens again.
I feel for the real Armagh fans who go to games all year but those guys aren't real Armagh fans they are just there for the beer. I was on the Hill in clones when they played Down and I had young kids. It was disgraceful. And they abused us as we left. Well guess what Down are still playing championship football in July. On the game Armagh had 3 great goal chances in normal time failed to take any , both teams looked afraid to take match winning chances. Monaghan wide count will need to be a lot less in the SF. Delighted for McManus what a servant to Monaghan. Surely there can't be questions around McGeeney as manager. He has taken Armagh a long way I wouldn't be too sure a new manager could get them to that level again. Lost 3 games on penalties that's just unlucky.
Quote from: trailer on July 02, 2023, 07:22:44 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on July 02, 2023, 01:47:08 AM
To all the armagh fans shouting to me as I left the ground today, put that in your pipe and smoke it and breath in for 21 long years
X2. The abuse they gave me and the two kids was pathetic. I can take banter but foul and abusive language crossed the line. Their team is like England and their fans behave the same way. Great to see them bate. Great to see them suffer on pens again.
X3. It makes me wish we'd stayed for the second game. What do they get out of goading children on the way out of a match? I know there are some sound proper GAA fans in their ranks, had plenty round me, but they seem to have way above their fair share of slabbers who are only there to get pissed and get on like tools.
Got home in time to watch the penalties on tv and it made my evening. Great stuff. Especially after their antics during the penalties.
I don't understand why the teams played an Ulster championship exhibition match in Croke Park. It's too energy sapping.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2023, 08:16:26 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 02, 2023, 07:22:44 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on July 02, 2023, 01:47:08 AM
To all the armagh fans shouting to me as I left the ground today, put that in your pipe and smoke it and breath in for 21 long years
X2. The abuse they gave me and the two kids was pathetic. I can take banter but foul and abusive language crossed the line. Their team is like England and their fans behave the same way. Great to see them bate. Great to see them suffer on pens again.
X3. It makes me wish we'd stayed for the second game. What do they get out of goading children on the way out of a match? I know there are some sound proper GAA fans in their ranks, had plenty round me, but they seem to have way above their fair share of slabbers who are only there to get pissed and get on like tools.
Got home in time to watch the penalties on tv and it made my evening. Great stuff. Especially after their antics during the penalties.
That's the worst thing about big games in Croke Park.
The amount of scumbags who travel on buses and shout and abuse people (especially parents with young kids) before, during and after the game. Pure scum.
GAA authorities should be breath checking everyone who enters the stadium - over a certain limit, you're not getting in. That would sort it.
You don't get it at games with crowds of 8,000 but the bandwagon lads/lassies are out in force for the bigger games.
I wouldn't mind paying an extra few quid to cover the costs of extra staff if it stopped clowns abusing people and, as I say, young children especially at games.
Brendan Óg Ó Dufaigh could have been a sub yesterday. He was such a loss to Monaghan football.
Another year gone, another opportunity to take a step forward gone with it.
Armagh lack that edge to take games by the scruff and force them over the line, it is what is going to keep them at the level they are at.
The game itself was a poor spectacle, although the flair Kerry played with before hand maybe showed this game in a poorer light again.
On the game itself Armagh were passive, letting Monaghan control the ball and dictate play. Several players severely unperformed also.
Monaghan again showing true grit to get the win.
I thought the ref was terrible also (that black card for Monaghan was a terrible decision), perhaps at this level they need more help as the pace is too quick? The decision to award McManus that free at the end was spot on however, sloppy tired tackling by that Armagh player cost them the game.
Some of the fans going to these games are only there for a big day out drinking and really let themselves down. I would be hesitant to bring my kids to games these days knowing the stuff they will see and have to hear. Embarrassing stuff.
For the Tyronies on here posting, its heartening to know Armagh getting beat on penalties (by the same team that knocked yous out of ulster in normal time) softens the blow of getting put in your rightful place when it comes to the top tier. The amount of rubbish the rest of us have had to endure about this Tyrone team causing the big teams issues and as potential AI contenders has been ridiculous this past few weeks and months.
Quote from: trailer on July 02, 2023, 07:22:44 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on July 02, 2023, 01:47:08 AM
To all the armagh fans shouting to me as I left the ground today, put that in your pipe and smoke it and breath in for 21 long years
X2. The abuse they gave me and the two kids was pathetic. I can take banter but foul and abusive language crossed the line. Their team is like England and their fans behave the same way. Great to see them bate. Great to see them suffer on pens again.
They won the big one years ago and still go on about it.
They keep losing on penalties and all their neighbours dislike them.
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Quote from: Itchy on July 01, 2023, 09:47:27 PM
Someone had to win but both teams were afraid to go for it. Saying that Armaghs refusal to push up with an extra man was ridiculous, especially as the black card straddled the break between normal time and extra time which meant that standing off was an instruction from the line, not something on field. A sad indictment of McGeeney I would say. But no doubt he will go another year.
In fairness to them they could never have foreseen a situation like that, if exactly the same thing had happened to them earlier in the championship they'd have discussed what they should have done in that situation and committed to taking the game to the opposition if it ever happened again, but what are the chances of playing the first period of extra time a man up due to a black card twice??
You aren't following what I am saying. The black card was given just before the end of normal time. The team and management then had a 10 minute break and a chance to organise for extra time. They clearly decided to sit off Monaghan. That's a very conservative thing to do and the net effect was both teams scored 1 point in that period so Armagh managed zero advantage from that period
There were ones who looked like they had just rolled out of the bus, sitting on the ground in drumcondra not fit to get up.
Didn't see the majority of the game however the blushes of the gaa were saved as having Hawkeye go down at a vital time could have caused a major issue if they had of been relying in that point.
Also you would think with kierarn having lost every thing for the last 9 years he would be used to it instead of shouldering monaghan players at full time. He's never done acting the hard man.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2023, 08:16:26 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 02, 2023, 07:22:44 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on July 02, 2023, 01:47:08 AM
To all the armagh fans shouting to me as I left the ground today, put that in your pipe and smoke it and breath in for 21 long years
X2. The abuse they gave me and the two kids was pathetic. I can take banter but foul and abusive language crossed the line. Their team is like England and their fans behave the same way. Great to see them bate. Great to see them suffer on pens again.
X3. It makes me wish we'd stayed for the second game. What do they get out of goading children on the way out of a match? I know there are some sound proper GAA fans in their ranks, had plenty round me, but they seem to have way above their fair share of slabbers who are only there to get pissed and get on like tools.
Got home in time to watch the penalties on tv and it made my evening. Great stuff. Especially after their antics during the penalties.
Genuinely sorry to hear that lads. No defending that and we do unfortunately seem to attract more of them than most or it is highlighted more anyway. Nothing worse than drunken gobshites who wouldnt know if the ball was pumped up or stuffed and could maybe name 2 players on the team.
Some dive by Stefan Campbell. There's a whiff of the garrison game off that lad.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on July 02, 2023, 09:48:31 AM
Some dive by Stefan Campbell. There's a whiff of the garrison game off that lad.
For the black card? Hardly a dive when his legs were clipped. Totally accidental though and never a card!
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Quote from: onefineday on July 02, 2023, 06:41:30 AM
Quote from: Itchy on July 01, 2023, 09:47:27 PM
Someone had to win but both teams were afraid to go for it. Saying that Armaghs refusal to push up with an extra man was ridiculous, especially as the black card straddled the break between normal time and extra time which meant that standing off was an instruction from the line, not something on field. A sad indictment of McGeeney I would say. But no doubt he will go another year.
In fairness to them they could never have foreseen a situation like that, if exactly the same thing had happened to them earlier in the championship they'd have discussed what they should have done in that situation and committed to taking the game to the opposition if it ever happened again, but what are the chances of playing the first period of extra time a man up due to a black card twice??
You aren't following what I am saying. The black card was given just before the end of normal time. The team and management then had a 10 minute break and a chance to organise for extra time. They clearly decided to sit off Monaghan. That's a very conservative thing to do and the net effect was both teams scored 1 point in that period so Armagh managed zero advantage from that period
To be fair Armagh hit two bad wides in that period from three early attacks. If they go three up then it's a big lead in that sort of game so I don't think you can blame management for that.
I would agree overall Armagh were too negative yesterday however some composure at key moments on the field they'd have won the match. Whatever the debate about tactics it went down to the lottery of penalties so I don't think the narrative can be Corey got his tactics totally correct and McGeeney got his totally wrong. Two even teams and Monaghan got the bit of luck to get over the line.
Genuinely sorry for the abuse some Tyrone people and their kids suffered. Hope it doesn't put them off going back to games. Glad that our loss covers their teams abject failure also.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on July 02, 2023, 09:14:51 AM
Another year gone, another opportunity to take a step forward gone with it.
Armagh lack that edge to take games by the scruff and force them over the line, it is what is going to keep them at the level they are at.
The game itself was a poor spectacle, although the flair Kerry played with before hand maybe showed this game in a poorer light again.
On the game itself Armagh were passive, letting Monaghan control the ball and dictate play. Several players severely unperformed also.
Monaghan again showing true grit to get the win.
I thought the ref was terrible also (that black card for Monaghan was a terrible decision), perhaps at this level they need more help as the pace is too quick? The decision to award McManus that free at the end was spot on however, sloppy tired tackling by that Armagh player cost them the game.
Some of the fans going to these games are only there for a big day out drinking and really let themselves down. I would be hesitant to bring my kids to games these days knowing the stuff they will see and have to hear. Embarrassing stuff.
For the Tyronies on here posting, its heartening to know Armagh getting beat on penalties (by the same team that knocked yous out of ulster in normal time) softens the blow of getting put in your rightful place when it comes to the top tier. The amount of rubbish the rest of us have had to endure about this Tyrone team causing the big teams issues and as potential AI contenders has been ridiculous this past few weeks and months.
Watching Armagh fans cheer and clap the Kerry goals.
We had a bad day. That's football. But we'll be back.
It was a typical Armagh performance under Geezer. When he has too much time to rethink and over analyse the game the players are completely stifled and yes we can claim some degree of bad luck but we are our own worst enemies. Well done to Monaghan, the bottom line is we didn't do enough to win the match.
The only consolation was seeing the Tyrone fans walk out of the ground before our match with their tail between their legs after Kerry outclassing them and confirming that the 2021 match was an abberation.
Few observations on yesterday.
Armagh the most over coached team I've seen. I don't think they play off the cuff bar trying to get the keeper into play. Was in lower hogan behind the Armagh Mgt. Tactics board on hand for discussions between Donaghy, McGeeney and McKeever, same for subs going in. In the first period of extra time, when Armagh had the extra man, Donaghy was telling the players to calm down, flapping his arms as if he was going to take off. What were Armagh doing at this point, playing the ball slowly sideways and backways. Calm down indeed.
The Hawkeye failure could have cost Monaghan. In our seats in real time it looked well inside the post. Everyone said same round us. Umpire on far side never moved a foot to get right angle.
McGeeney trying to give McManus verbals on his first free, from near sideline. What a clown. I did enjoy that O'Neill hit a serious free just after it. Two fine placed ball kickers.
Armagh learned nothing from the Derry game. Man up and never looked like using. They seem to have a reluctance to shoot allowing Monaghan get blocks and bodies back. The Monaghan defending was brillant at times, if a little last ditch but very honest.
Are Monaghan one of the top 4 sides in the country? In reality no, but that where they find themselves. Is there a big performance in them to take a scalp? You just never know.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 02, 2023, 10:13:45 AM
It was a typical Armagh performance under Geezer. When he has too much time to rethink and over analyse the game the players are completely stifled and yes we can claim some degree of bad luck but we are our own worst enemies. Well done to Monaghan, the bottom line is we didn't do enough to win the match.
The only consolation was seeing the Tyrone fans walk out of the ground before our match with their tail between their legs after Kerry outclassing them and confirming that the 2021 match was an abberation.
Your second paragraph is quite sad if you're really taking any sort of consolation from that. Same with Tyrone ones taking consolation from our loss
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Quote from: yellowcard on July 02, 2023, 10:13:45 AM
It was a typical Armagh performance under Geezer. When he has too much time to rethink and over analyse the game the players are completely stifled and yes we can claim some degree of bad luck but we are our own worst enemies. Well done to Monaghan, the bottom line is we didn't do enough to win the match.
The only consolation was seeing the Tyrone fans walk out of the ground before our match with their tail between their legs after Kerry outclassing them and confirming that the 2021 match was an abberation.
Your second paragraph is quite sad if you're really taking any sort of consolation from that. Same with Tyrone ones taking consolation from our loss
It's called banter, they have give out plenty and I think they're well fit to take it.
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Quote from: trailer on July 02, 2023, 07:22:44 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on July 02, 2023, 01:47:08 AM
To all the armagh fans shouting to me as I left the ground today, put that in your pipe and smoke it and breath in for 21 long years
X2. The abuse they gave me and the two kids was pathetic. I can take banter but foul and abusive language crossed the line. Their team is like England and their fans behave the same way. Great to see them bate. Great to see them suffer on pens again.
X3. It makes me wish we'd stayed for the second game. What do they get out of goading children on the way out of a match? I know there are some sound proper GAA fans in their ranks, had plenty round me, but they seem to have way above their fair share of slabbers who are only there to get pissed and get on like tools.
Got home in time to watch the penalties on tv and it made my evening. Great stuff. Especially after their antics during the penalties.
That's the worst thing about big games in Croke Park.
The amount of scumbags who travel on buses and shout and abuse people (especially parents with young kids) before, during and after the game. Pure scum.
GAA authorities should be breath checking everyone who enters the stadium - over a certain limit, you're not getting in. That would sort it.
You don't get it at games with crowds of 8,000 but the bandwagon lads/lassies are out in force for the bigger games.
I wouldn't mind paying an extra few quid to cover the costs of extra staff if it stopped clowns abusing people and, as I say, young children especially at games.
I would agree with that , but when you have bars at the back of the stand , it kind of defeats the purpose. People can take a lot of drink in the time it takes to play a double header. Even more so when one goes to ET and penalties
Tis a bit odd to read all the praise for Corey and abuse for McGeeney given the game ended level, ET ended level, penalties ended level, and only sudden death penalties finally provided a winner!
Quote from: Orior on July 02, 2023, 07:23:40 AM
Anyone here involved in the punch up in Hill 16? Asking for a Garda friend.
@Score_Beo on Twitter has a vid from the Hill of some scuffles between Monaghan and Armagh supporters. A peroxide Monaghan dude the main protagonist in that short clip. One thing conspicuous by its absence was Gardai
Quote from: Hound on July 02, 2023, 10:28:46 AM
Tis a bit odd to read all the praise for Corey and abuse for McGeeney given the game ended level, ET ended level, penalties ended level, and only sudden death penalties finally provided a winner!
Quote from: Orior on July 02, 2023, 07:23:40 AM
Anyone here involved in the punch up in Hill 16? Asking for a Garda friend.
@Score_Beo on Twitter has a vid from the Hill of some scuffles between Monaghan and Armagh supporters. A peroxide Monaghan dude the main protagonist in that short clip. One thing conspicuous by its absence was Gardai
Is it though? Corey is manager of the year given what he has done with limited resources and an ageing side. Geezer had no excuses yesterday it was a cowardly performance by a team stifled by fear of losing rather than trying to win the match. Which just about sums up our entire season. Whatever thinking was done over the winter didn't impress many Armagh supporters. We can take defeat but at least it should be done going out on our swords.
Genuinely never seen worse behaviour from a set of fans in all my years. On our way out of the ground yesterday ever other set of Armagh 'fans' felt the need to hurl abuse at us. I could take it if it was an isolated incident but unfortunately it wasn't. Grown men who weren't even intoxicated felt the need to remind us of the scoreline, everybody hated Tyrone etc etc.
Quote from: gaafan2 on July 02, 2023, 10:46:52 AM
Genuinely never seen worse behaviour from a set of fans in all my years. On our way out of the ground yesterday ever other set of Armagh 'fans' felt the need to hurl abuse at us. I could take it if it was an isolated incident but unfortunately it wasn't. Grown men who weren't even intoxicated felt the need to remind us of the scoreline, everybody hated Tyrone etc etc.
It is embarrassing but it's hardly the worst behaviour from fans you've ever seen. Let's be honest about it
Quote from: Hound on July 02, 2023, 10:28:46 AM
Tis a bit odd to read all the praise for Corey and abuse for McGeeney given the game ended level, ET ended level, penalties ended level, and only sudden death penalties finally provided a winner!
Surely you can see the difference no? It's Vinny's first year as a manager, and he probably only took it on so soon because he didn't want to see Monaghan stuck. In a year where we've been written off at every turn, he's kept us in Division 1 again and now managed us to only our 2nd semi since the 80s. And he's done it while bringing through more youth than previous managers, and handling the transition very well(The way he has managed the likes of Mansy and D Hughes especially has been brilliant)
How long has McGeeney been a manager now? How long has he been over Armagh, and what has he actually achieved after all that time? He's a legend in the county but I wouldn't blame Armagh fans for wondering where the progression is.
Quote from: Schkite on July 02, 2023, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 02, 2023, 10:28:46 AM
Tis a bit odd to read all the praise for Corey and abuse for McGeeney given the game ended level, ET ended level, penalties ended level, and only sudden death penalties finally provided a winner!
Surely you can see the difference no? It's Vinny's first year as a manager, and he probably only took it on so soon because he didn't want to see Monaghan stuck. In a year where we've been written off at every turn, he's kept us in Division 1 again and now managed us to only our 2nd semi since the 80s. And he's done it while bringing through more youth than previous managers, and handling the transition very well(The way he has managed the likes of Mansy and D Hughes especially has been brilliant)
How long has McGeeney been a manager now? How long has he been over Armagh, and what has he actually achieved after all that time? He's a legend in the county but I wouldn't blame Armagh fans for wondering where the progression is.
9 years. When he took over we had just been in an AIQF and lost a tight game. This morning we have just been in an AIQF and lost a tight game. You might say that shows zero progression
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Quote from: gaafan2 on July 02, 2023, 10:46:52 AM
Genuinely never seen worse behaviour from a set of fans in all my years. On our way out of the ground yesterday ever other set of Armagh 'fans' felt the need to hurl abuse at us. I could take it if it was an isolated incident but unfortunately it wasn't. Grown men who weren't even intoxicated felt the need to remind us of the scoreline, everybody hated Tyrone etc etc.
It is embarrassing but it's hardly the worst behaviour from fans you've ever seen. Let's be honest about it
Now I know I can't tar all Armagh fans with the same brush but it was honestly the worst behaviour I seen in all my days. The amount of intoxicated men and women before the game even started was scary. Armagh fans with Kerry headbands, wagging their flags and fist pumping at every Kerry score was embarrassing.
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Quote from: gaafan2 on July 02, 2023, 10:46:52 AM
Genuinely never seen worse behaviour from a set of fans in all my years. On our way out of the ground yesterday ever other set of Armagh 'fans' felt the need to hurl abuse at us. I could take it if it was an isolated incident but unfortunately it wasn't. Grown men who weren't even intoxicated felt the need to remind us of the scoreline, everybody hated Tyrone etc etc.
It is embarrassing but it's hardly the worst behaviour from fans you've ever seen. Let's be honest about it
Now I know I can't tar all Armagh fans with the same brush but it was honestly the worst behaviour I seen in all my days. The amount of intoxicated men and women before the game even started was scary. Armagh fans with Kerry headbands, wagging their flags and fist pumping at every Kerry score was embarrassing.
The same way Tyrone one's doing exactly that for Monaghan was embarrassing? Or for other teams Armagh have played over the years when we have been in a double header with Tyrone? I don't disagree but be consistent and call it all out
I seen plenty of intoxicated fans yesterday. They weren't all from Armagh. Do we have idiots in our support? Definitely. We aren't the only ones tho
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It was a typical Armagh performance under Geezer. When he has too much time to rethink and over analyse the game the players are completely stifled and yes we can claim some degree of bad luck but we are our own worst enemies. Well done to Monaghan, the bottom line is we didn't do enough to win the match.
The only consolation was seeing the Tyrone fans walk out of the ground before our match with their tail between their legs after Kerry outclassing them and confirming that the 2021 match was an abberation.
Your second paragraph is quite sad if you're really taking any sort of consolation from that. Same with Tyrone ones taking consolation from our loss
It's called banter, they have give out plenty and I think they're well fit to take it.
At least you finally admit your (many) opinions on Tyrone are "banter" and not proper analysis. That's been obvious for a long time.
As for the game, another tough one to take for Armagh. I'd say McGeeney has done a really good job and built a solid team with wasn't a particularly great set of footballers. Obviously hugely frustrating for the fans to lose a few games now on pens but ultimately he's probably getting very close to the maximum out of that group. Somebody else might be able to kick them on very slightly, but equally they might also drop back, possibly a fair bit.
Massive credit to Monaghan, looked in a bad place a few months ago and reaching an AI semi is a great achievement.
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It was a typical Armagh performance under Geezer. When he has too much time to rethink and over analyse the game the players are completely stifled and yes we can claim some degree of bad luck but we are our own worst enemies. Well done to Monaghan, the bottom line is we didn't do enough to win the match.
The only consolation was seeing the Tyrone fans walk out of the ground before our match with their tail between their legs after Kerry outclassing them and confirming that the 2021 match was an abberation.
Your second paragraph is quite sad if you're really taking any sort of consolation from that. Same with Tyrone ones taking consolation from our loss
It's called banter, they have give out plenty and I think they're well fit to take it.
At least you finally admit your (many) opinions on Tyrone are "banter" and not proper analysis. That's been obvious for a long time.
As for the game, another tough one to take for Armagh. I'd say McGeeney has done a really good job and built a solid team with wasn't a particularly great set of footballers. Obviously hugely frustrating for the fans to lose a few games now on pens but ultimately he's probably getting very close to the maximum out of that group. Somebody else might be able to kick them on very slightly, but equally they might also drop back, possibly a fair bit.
Massive credit to Monaghan, looked in a bad place a few months ago and reaching an AI semi is a great achievement.
A balanced take on McGeeney and this team. You could well be right about maximising potential but I'd really like to see us play with a bit more freedom before I fully agree with that
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Quote from: gaafan2 on July 02, 2023, 10:46:52 AM
Genuinely never seen worse behaviour from a set of fans in all my years. On our way out of the ground yesterday ever other set of Armagh 'fans' felt the need to hurl abuse at us. I could take it if it was an isolated incident but unfortunately it wasn't. Grown men who weren't even intoxicated felt the need to remind us of the scoreline, everybody hated Tyrone etc etc.
It is embarrassing but it's hardly the worst behaviour from fans you've ever seen. Let's be honest about it
Now I know I can't tar all Armagh fans with the same brush but it was honestly the worst behaviour I seen in all my days. The amount of intoxicated men and women before the game even started was scary. Armagh fans with Kerry headbands, wagging their flags and fist pumping at every Kerry score was embarrassing.
Surprised to hear about Armagh supporters behaving like that. I have very limited experience, but was up in Armagh for the Mayo league game earlier this year and I had a great day - they were the soundest supporters I came across in years.
I suppose the boozed up loudmouths wouldn't be found at a league game though...
Quote from: yellowcard on July 02, 2023, 10:13:45 AM
It was a typical Armagh performance under Geezer. When he has too much time to rethink and over analyse the game the players are completely stifled and yes we can claim some degree of bad luck but we are our own worst enemies. Well done to Monaghan, the bottom line is we didn't do enough to win the match.
The only consolation was seeing the Tyrone fans walk out of the ground before our match with their tail between their legs after Kerry outclassing them and confirming that the 2021 match was an abberation.
Ffs enough of this nonsense. If Tyrone go and beat Kerry next year will yesterday have have been "an abberation"?
People are desperate to erase 2021 for some weird reason, even though we have beaten Kerry twice since then.
https://twitter.com/UnOfficialGaa/status/1675420531435159554?s=20 (https://twitter.com/UnOfficialGaa/status/1675420531435159554?s=20)
Bad scenes yesterday. Some folk love to call soccer a hooligans sport but this would never ever happen at an English football game.
It wouldn't matter who came out of that game yesterday, they were both atrocious and won't be going any further
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Bad scenes yesterday. Some folk love to call soccer a hooligans sport but this would never ever happen at an English football game.
That happens at plenty of English games.
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Bad scenes yesterday. Some folk love to call soccer a hooligans sport but this would never ever happen at an English football game.
That happens at plenty of English games.
Crowds of ones fighting in the terrace? I don't think it does, anymore.
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Corey has done a great job. Comes across a decent sort too so nice to see. Monaghan aren't a huge county but consistently are among the top teams in the country. Fair play to them.
Know Vinny since he was a young lad togging out at underage for Clontibret - absolute salt of the earth, no BS kind of fella. Couldn't be more delighted for the job he's done so far. I always figured he was destined for this job at some point as he's a natural leader and there wouldn't be many more respected fellas in Monaghan GAA - but I'd say if you asked him, he'd say in an ideal world he wouldn't have got this job so quick. But the county were struggling to get a new manager and, Vinny being who he is, wasn't going to see his county stuck.
We'd been written off at the start of year for relegation and not much else, yet here we are in an AI semi and with Division 1 football yet again in 2024.
One aspect Vinny bemoaned after the Kildare game, that player after player ran into the swarm and got disspossesed, he said player decisions have to improve and the team now needs to step up another level. In yesterday's game there was a change for the better, the ball went down one wing with 2 in support and if needs be, cross over to the other wing and edge out the shot. I don't recall many times a player getting ambushed.
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Bad scenes yesterday. Some folk love to call soccer a hooligans sport but this would never ever happen at an English football game.
That happens at plenty of English games.
Crowds of ones fighting in the terrace? I don't think it does, anymore.
Still happens in the lower leagues. Happens in the prem too but more in and around the town as opposed to the stadium itself
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Bad scenes yesterday. Some folk love to call soccer a hooligans sport but this would never ever happen at an English football game.
That happens at plenty of English games.
Crowds of ones fighting in the terrace? I don't think it does, anymore.
Still happens in the lower leagues. Happens in the prem too but more in and around the town as opposed to the stadium itself
Aye that was my point, infront of families at a game in the ground.
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Genuinely never seen worse behaviour from a set of fans in all my years. On our way out of the ground yesterday ever other set of Armagh 'fans' felt the need to hurl abuse at us. I could take it if it was an isolated incident but unfortunately it wasn't. Grown men who weren't even intoxicated felt the need to remind us of the scoreline, everybody hated Tyrone etc etc.
It is embarrassing but it's hardly the worst behaviour from fans you've ever seen. Let's be honest about it
Now I know I can't tar all Armagh fans with the same brush but it was honestly the worst behaviour I seen in all my days. The amount of intoxicated men and women before the game even started was scary. Armagh fans with Kerry headbands, wagging their flags and fist pumping at every Kerry score was embarrassing.
Surprised to hear about Armagh supporters behaving like that. I have very limited experience, but was up in Armagh for the Mayo league game earlier this year and I had a great day - they were the soundest supporters I came across in years.
I suppose the boozed up loudmouths wouldn't be found at a league game though...
A difference in good solid Armagh GAA fans at a league match on a cold day to the drunken scum on the bus on a big day out.
Every county has them on the big days unfortunately.
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Bad scenes yesterday. Some folk love to call soccer a hooligans sport but this would never ever happen at an English football game.
That happens at plenty of English games.
Crowds of ones fighting in the terrace? I don't think it does, anymore.
Still happens in the lower leagues. Happens in the prem too but more in and around the town as opposed to the stadium itself
Aye that was my point, infront of families at a game in the ground.
It does still happen in lower leagues. There is more to football than the EPL. Also seen it happen at rugby when I lived over there also
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2023, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 02, 2023, 10:13:45 AM
It was a typical Armagh performance under Geezer. When he has too much time to rethink and over analyse the game the players are completely stifled and yes we can claim some degree of bad luck but we are our own worst enemies. Well done to Monaghan, the bottom line is we didn't do enough to win the match.
The only consolation was seeing the Tyrone fans walk out of the ground before our match with their tail between their legs after Kerry outclassing them and confirming that the 2021 match was an abberation.
Ffs enough of this nonsense. If Tyrone go and beat Kerry next year will yesterday have have been "an abberation"?
People are desperate to erase 2021 for some weird reason, even though we have beaten Kerry twice since then.
Tyrone fans are always very spiky when that game is mentioned but you should really take it as a back handed compliment. Yous won an AI against the grain and I'd always say fair play, thats worth more than any number of semi final or final appearances.
As for people tarring Armagh fans with one brush well boozed up idiots aren't exclusive to any particular county. There will always be a minority who just see it as a day out.
The drunk Armagh crowd were bad enough but at least they were mostly confined to the Hill. Worse than them were the 5000 kids with those plastic fuckn hooters about the place. Jaysis the parents would want to wise up.
There was a Kerry woman beside us, you know the 'sow with the litter' type, 4 young ones of 7 to 13 with her and them blowing hard all game, all half time, even in the second game. There was an old chap from Armagh just in front of them and the poor man was driven to distraction but stayed quiet.
You don't have to be drunk, or from Armagh, to be an annoying bollix at a match
https://twitter.com/Score_Beo/status/1675423247066714112 (https://twitter.com/Score_Beo/status/1675423247066714112)
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Quote from: gaafan2 on July 02, 2023, 10:46:52 AM
Genuinely never seen worse behaviour from a set of fans in all my years. On our way out of the ground yesterday ever other set of Armagh 'fans' felt the need to hurl abuse at us. I could take it if it was an isolated incident but unfortunately it wasn't. Grown men who weren't even intoxicated felt the need to remind us of the scoreline, everybody hated Tyrone etc etc.
It is embarrassing but it's hardly the worst behaviour from fans you've ever seen. Let's be honest about it
Now I know I can't tar all Armagh fans with the same brush but it was honestly the worst behaviour I seen in all my days. The amount of intoxicated men and women before the game even started was scary. Armagh fans with Kerry headbands, wagging their flags and fist pumping at every Kerry score was embarrassing.
Surprised to hear about Armagh supporters behaving like that. I have very limited experience, but was up in Armagh for the Mayo league game earlier this year and I had a great day - they were the soundest supporters I came across in years.
I suppose the boozed up loudmouths wouldn't be found at a league game though...
A difference in good solid Armagh GAA fans at a league match on a cold day to the drunken scum on the bus on a big day out.
Every county has them on the big days unfortunately.
Yeah the drunken louts won't be seen on a freezing Saturday night in the league in January , but they'll be there come the big games in summer. The same in every county
GAA matches nowadays moreso have a lot more of those going because everybody seems to going/ talking about it , they have to be seen going , have to post their tiktok videos to get likes/comments. It's the same at concerts now too. Apparently. the things people do just to get noticed /seen on social media at concerts now is outrageous,
Did some genius switch Hawkeye off after the 70 minutes were up? Perhaps Croke Park are paying for Hawkeye by the minute, so switched it off to save money.
Yes, I saw lots of drunk Armagh fans in the stadium. Perhaps thats a downside of running a train special. But I didnt see any abuse in the walkways or outside the stadium. Myself and others shook hands with the Farney men and wished them luck.
I also applauded every good score from both sides in the Kerry Tyrone drubbing. The two british sides playing on Saturday just were not good enough. Feck it Orior, delete that line, lol.
Overall, I think we were just unlucky. In full time and extra time, the match could have gone one way or the other. Monaghan just edged it on killer instinct.
The journey home was awful too. When we reaching the single lane at Dundalk, who were the buck ejits racing up the hard shoulder? I got home about 12:30am
Finally, why are keepers allowed to wear the same colours as the ref? This was never an issue until keepers started playing outfield.
Quote from: Orior on July 02, 2023, 04:15:50 PM
Did some genius switch Hawkeye off after the 70 minutes were up? Perhaps Croke Park are paying for Hawkeye by the minute, so switched it off to save money.
Yes, I saw lots of drunk Armagh fans in the stadium. Perhaps thats a downside of running a train special. But I didnt see any abuse in the walkways or outside the stadium. Myself and others shook hands with the Farney men and wished them luck.
I also applauded every good score from both sides in the Kerry Tyrone drubbing. The two british sides playing on Saturday just were not good enough. Feck it Orior, delete that line, lol.
Overall, I think we were just unlucky. In full time and extra time, the match could have gone one way or the other. Monaghan just edged it on killer instinct.
The journey home was awful too. When we reaching the single lane at Dundalk, who were the buck ejits racing up the hard shoulder? I got home about 12:30am
Finally, why are keepers allowed to wear the same colours as the ref? This was never an issue until keepers started playing outfield.
Good points and you did well to get home for 12.30. The bit on keepers and referees wearing the same colours is 100%.
I don't get Tyrone fans getting annoyed about Armagh fans cheering Kerry. Is that not part of local rivalry. I don't like the goading as you leave the ground though. Same thing happened me when Armagh lost to Fermanagh in 2004 and I had to get home. Tyrone ones gave me plenty of grief.
With the traffic tailbacks yesterday the Tyrone game had stopped being a contest by the time I got in.
I took a chance and headed down Collins Avenue and up the N2 on my way home last night, there was very little traffic on the road and I was home at 11pm.
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I took a chance and headed down Collins Avenue and up the N2 on my way home last night, there was very little traffic on the road and I was home at 11pm.
Show off
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Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2023, 08:47:56 PM
Fair fucks Monaghan.
Keep coming year after year putting larger counties to shame.
Absolutely. Punching way above their weight year after year and good luck to them in the semi final.
We don't, this is our weight. We have a good academy structure, an excellent ethos and a good future. We are Monaghan!
Clearly you have those attributes in abundance but i was referring more to the county in terms population and consequently number of senior clubs/players.
Over the moon for you and good luck the next day.
It's just this 'punching above our weight' bit has run its course a long time ago, even when the statement (as yours) was made totally without malice. Monaghan has a population similar to many other counties, eg. Roscommon, Sligo, maybe a bit less than Cavan. Once upon a time Monaghan had one of the lowest populations and regarded as impoverished, but not any more, we've been breeding like rabbits these last 3 decades. It was considered our honourable duty to do so for the cause of Monaghan football and raise our economic prowess.
When the Rossies have their pecker up, nobody puts it out that the Rossies are punching above their weight. Sligo have made great strides with their underage, all counties have a similar opportunity to make the most of developing their gaelic footballers, apart from Dublin that is, who have a permanent one arm bandit that hits jackpot with every pull.
' Ridin for Sam ' ! I love it. And again good luck the next day against the Dubs.
f**k anyone who was on the Tyrone supporters bus and launched a full tin of beer out of the bus from 5he inside lane towards us coming from behind in the overtaking lane at 70mph at about 930pm near the toll
Went under our car but when it was first in the air as we drove towards It I thought we were dead
Tyrone wife and fans in my car wanted the bus pulled over. Driver of small mini bus apologeticly waved and Tyrone fans were young and appeared full drunk or sleeping on their bus
So it wasn't all Armagh but f**k me, dangerous
What's the point of the likes of them being near a game
Wankers
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/gaa-condemns-hill-16-brawl-between-armagh-and-monaghan-fans-during-all-ireland-quarter-final/a1460846723.html
NO Tyrone "supporters" were involved in this fracas, please note!
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NO Tyrone "supporters" were involved in this fracas, please note!
They were already heading up the road by then
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 02, 2023, 08:09:42 PM
NO Tyrone "supporters" were involved in this fracas, please note!
They were already heading up the road by then
We're no angels, but misattribution is a fecking curse! ;)
Quote from: Gold on July 02, 2023, 07:57:38 PM
f**k anyone who was on the Tyrone supporters bus and launched a full tin of beer out of the bus from 5he inside lane towards us coming from behind in the overtaking lane at 70mph at about 930pm near the toll
Went under our car but when it was first in the air as we drove towards It I thought we were dead
Tyrone wife and fans in my car wanted the bus pulled over. Driver of small mini bus apologeticly waved and Tyrone fans were young and appeared full drunk or sleeping on their bus
So it wasn't all Armagh but f**k me, dangerous
What's the point of the likes of them being near a game
Wankers
Jesus , what the feck is wrong with people?
The amount of drunk supporters at matches needs looking at. I don't buy this lifetime ban from games. How does a turnstile operator in Croke Park (or anywhere ) police this ? Will the gaa circulate a poster to all grounds with mugshots of those fans on the banned list ? If you head into a nightclub pissed , you likely won't be allowed in. Same should apply for gaa matches
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 02, 2023, 08:09:42 PM
NO Tyrone "supporters" were involved in this fracas, please note!
They were already heading up the road by then
We're no angels, but misattribution is a fecking curse! ;)
She certainly is with drink taken
I find it hard to criticise young ones drunk at football matches because I was at plenty of games drunk back in the day. Yesterday I was on the hill sober and the number of drunk people was crazy. Not great
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
100% agree
Who are these supposed great Armagh forwards? And why didn't they hit a few penalties?
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
Yes McGeeney is some classless whinger and what an oaf to come on to the field of play and deliberately dunt into a Monaghan player, what age is he? 50 years old and acting the maggot hard man towards a twenty year old player?
I think a blind man can see that Armagh are a much better team than the way they are set up to play.
He was a p***k when he played especially when Brian Mcguigan left him lying on his ass more times than enough in CrokePark.yesterday in croke Park.. he just made himself look the fool we all know he is.
Geezer is too emotional to be a good manager. This leads him to make poor decisions and this spreads to the players. Mind you questions should also be asked of the Psychologist; presumably he's not in performance related payment.
Cian McConville would have made a difference yesterday.
When Rian kicked that score, that should have been that. The fact that it wasnt, shows that in truth we werent good enough.
Armagh seriously need to examine the length of time they allow the opposition to have uncontested ball.
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 02, 2023, 09:57:44 AM
Genuinely sorry for the abuse some Tyrone people and their kids suffered. Hope it doesn't put them off going back to games. Glad that our loss covers their teams abject failure also.
These so called Armagh fans are bandwagon jumpers, but it takes two to tango and other Ulster Counties have their thugs also. Disappointing to see the finger pointing on here instead of an analysis of the actual game. I've had things thrown at me in Healy Park and the Down fans goading Ryan O'Neill with regard to the situation in Cross is in the same ball park. As someone said when you hold these games in Croke Park you allow the opportunity for these moron's to behave like this. Hard luck to Armagh and Tyrone and hopefully either Derry or Monaghan can lift Sam for Ulster.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
You must have been some player in your pomp! No player or manager goes out to lose or play badly. Everyone can have an off day. Managers make mistakes but they are putting in the time and effort.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 03, 2023, 09:58:45 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
You must have been some player in your pomp! No player or manager goes out to lose or play badly. Everyone can have an off day. Managers make mistakes but they are putting in the time and effort.
"For the love of the game"
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 03, 2023, 09:58:45 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
You must have been some player in your pomp! No player or manager goes out to lose or play badly. Everyone can have an off day. Managers make mistakes but they are putting in the time and effort.
All well and good running down McGeeney, but at the end of the day he can't put the ball over the bar for the players. There were chances in both halves of normal time that really should have been taken. Players have to shoulder some responsibility in that respect. If Armagh had have won, this conversation wouldn't be happening.
Quote from: screenexile on July 03, 2023, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 03, 2023, 09:58:45 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
You must have been some player in your pomp! No player or manager goes out to lose or play badly. Everyone can have an off day. Managers make mistakes but they are putting in the time and effort.
"For the love of the game"
McGeeney is a genius. To get that bunch of, lets face it, ordinary footballers to compete at that level is some achievement. They're a mid table division 2 or top 2 division 3 side at best. Hats off to the man. He's worked tirelessly with players who are a lot less talented than himself and got some great performances out of them, even if they did ultimately lose.
Quote from: trailer on July 03, 2023, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 03, 2023, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 03, 2023, 09:58:45 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
You must have been some player in your pomp! No player or manager goes out to lose or play badly. Everyone can have an off day. Managers make mistakes but they are putting in the time and effort.
"For the love of the game"
McGeeney is a genius. To get that bunch of, lets face it, ordinary footballers to compete at that level is some achievement. They're a mid table division 2 or top 2 division 3 side at best. Hats off to the man. He's worked tirelessly with players who are a lot less talented than himself and got some great performances out of them, even if they did ultimately lose.
Contrast that with Tyrone. AIs hanging out of the players and management back pockets like nothing normal and they were absolutely humiliated. Even the Kerry boys felt embarrassed for them after Saturday.
Quote from: trailer on July 03, 2023, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 03, 2023, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 03, 2023, 09:58:45 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
You must have been some player in your pomp! No player or manager goes out to lose or play badly. Everyone can have an off day. Managers make mistakes but they are putting in the time and effort.
"For the love of the game"
McGeeney is a genius. To get that bunch of, lets face it, ordinary footballers to compete at that level is some achievement. They're a mid table division 2 or top 2 division 3 side at best. Hats off to the man. He's worked tirelessly with players who are a lot less talented than himself and got some great performances out of them, even if they did ultimately lose.
More deflection tactics from Tyrone after they were demolished by Kerry. Always more interested in looking over the fence at Armagh than looking at another poor season from their own team.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
What it has shown again is that there is nothing between the Ulster counties. Derry, Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone are all around a very similar level. Donegal were in that category before the start of this season but dropped off a bit this year. The margins are very fine in games between those sides but none of them are at the elite AI winning level.
Quote from: general_lee on July 03, 2023, 10:13:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 03, 2023, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 03, 2023, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 03, 2023, 09:58:45 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
You must have been some player in your pomp! No player or manager goes out to lose or play badly. Everyone can have an off day. Managers make mistakes but they are putting in the time and effort.
"For the love of the game"
McGeeney is a genius. To get that bunch of, lets face it, ordinary footballers to compete at that level is some achievement. They're a mid table division 2 or top 2 division 3 side at best. Hats off to the man. He's worked tirelessly with players who are a lot less talented than himself and got some great performances out of them, even if they did ultimately lose.
Contrast that with Tyrone. AIs hanging out of the players and management back pockets like nothing normal and they were absolutely humiliated. Even the Kerry boys felt embarrassed for them after Saturday.
When a team is finished it's finished. Tyrone will be back
It's funny that Armagh won their first Sam before Tyrone but that Tyrone developed a culture of excellence and Armagh didn't.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 03, 2023, 10:21:19 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 03, 2023, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 03, 2023, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 03, 2023, 09:58:45 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
You must have been some player in your pomp! No player or manager goes out to lose or play badly. Everyone can have an off day. Managers make mistakes but they are putting in the time and effort.
"For the love of the game"
McGeeney is a genius. To get that bunch of, lets face it, ordinary footballers to compete at that level is some achievement. They're a mid table division 2 or top 2 division 3 side at best. Hats off to the man. He's worked tirelessly with players who are a lot less talented than himself and got some great performances out of them, even if they did ultimately lose.
More deflection tactics from Tyrone after they were demolished by Kerry. Always more interested in looking over the fence at Armagh than looking at another poor season from their own team.
TBF the two of you are well met.
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Armagh can't tackle.
They go in to nail the man every time then complain about having yellow cards issued.
Serious chip on the shoulder with them and completely over estimate their own ability.
Derry know where we are, no over hyped expectations and a degree of humbleness about the players. The vast majority of fans are realistic about where we are too. Night and day between the teams and quality of players in my opinion. The ulster final had derry rocked leading into it, went down to 14 after a black card just before full time and Armagh still didn't push derry. I think they scored 1pt in that black card period.
If a team and management can't learn from that it speaks volumes as they repeated it against monaghan.
Fair play monaghan, never say die attitude has to be admired and some talented footballers. Shrewd manager too.
Fully deserved to win in normal time.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 03, 2023, 10:25:27 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
What it has shown again is that there is nothing between the Ulster counties. Derry, Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone are all around a very similar level. Donegal were in that category before the start of this season but dropped off a bit this year. The margins are very fine in games between those sides but none of them are at the elite AI winning level.
No it doesn't. Derry are unbeaten against the listed and are back to back ulster champions, therefore by logic are better than them! This during the upheaval of losing their manager mid season.
OK lads. Hands up. Derry are miles better than Armagh. Probably by about 10 points. Christ on a bike.
Quote from: mackers on July 03, 2023, 12:14:56 PM
OK lads. Hands up. Derry are miles better than Armagh. Probably by about 10 points. Christ on a bike.
Listen to these big Derry supporters ffs. I've probably been to more Derry games than the half of them. This time 5 years ago if Derry were playing in their back gardens they'd have drawn the curtains.
Quote from: general_lee on July 03, 2023, 12:22:40 PM
Quote from: mackers on July 03, 2023, 12:14:56 PM
OK lads. Hands up. Derry are miles better than Armagh. Probably by about 10 points. Christ on a bike.
Listen to these big Derry supporters ffs. I've probably been to more Derry games than the half of them. This time 5 years ago if Derry were playing in their back gardens they'd have drawn the curtains.
Hmmm are you lot ones to really talk about bandwagoners. Suppose when your clubs roll over year on year and get their asses handed to them by Cross there's not much else to watch!
Quote from: seafoid on July 03, 2023, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: general_lee on July 03, 2023, 10:13:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 03, 2023, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 03, 2023, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 03, 2023, 09:58:45 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
You must have been some player in your pomp! No player or manager goes out to lose or play badly. Everyone can have an off day. Managers make mistakes but they are putting in the time and effort.
"For the love of the game"
McGeeney is a genius. To get that bunch of, lets face it, ordinary footballers to compete at that level is some achievement. They're a mid table division 2 or top 2 division 3 side at best. Hats off to the man. He's worked tirelessly with players who are a lot less talented than himself and got some great performances out of them, even if they did ultimately lose.
Contrast that with Tyrone. AIs hanging out of the players and management back pockets like nothing normal and they were absolutely humiliated. Even the Kerry boys felt embarrassed for them after Saturday.
When a team is finished it's finished. Tyrone will be back
It's funny that Armagh won their first Sam before Tyrone but that Tyrone developed a culture of excellence and Armagh didn't.
It's not like Armagh dropped off a cliff after 2002. They were a blocked ball away from 2 in a row (would the player making the block have been there had marsden stayed on ?). They blew it in 04 but nothing could separate Armagh and Tyrone in 2005. So you can't really say Armagh did everything wrong after 2002 and Tyrone did everything right. It could easily have went the other way - Armagh with 3 AI's , Tyrone with none.
Tyrone underage and schools are doing well, but Armagh won an u21 and minor AI after 02 as well. Although recently it seems things aren't as rosey
Armagh were a penalty away from a semi on Saturday, but now McGeeney is useless, Armagh are chokers , the county board are a disgrace , the u6's have won feck all... and vinny Corey is doing wonderful things , Monaghan have their whole setup working brilliantly from the u6's up, amazing work. Armagh win on sat , and Corey would have been patted on the back saying ach sure, you've only a small population, fair play to ye for getting this far. And McGeeney would be ultra defensive, cautious manager , but by feck he knows how to grind out a win with the limited resources available to him. Fair fecks
Margins in football are so fine. It's unfair to denegrate a whole county's setup because of a missed penalty or a bad refereeing decision , and it's a bit mad to say another county is doing everything right because of the same
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 03, 2023, 12:09:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 03, 2023, 10:25:27 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 02, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Just saw mcgeeney interview, thought he was going to cry.
Some bit if yapping.
Plain and simple, Armagh are not good enough.
Mcgeeney isn't good enough.
Players don't have the strength of character to hold the nerve in a penalty shoot out. Couldn't even beat a derry team that lost their manager a few days before an Ulster final.
I don't buy this talk about them having better players than they show.
Forker is a top player, after that nobody you could rely on.
As for Rian, Armagh played better without him in their last game. He gets 1 point from play at the end of extra time yesterday, good point it was but you need more from a supposed star.
What it has shown again is that there is nothing between the Ulster counties. Derry, Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone are all around a very similar level. Donegal were in that category before the start of this season but dropped off a bit this year. The margins are very fine in games between those sides but none of them are at the elite AI winning level.
No it doesn't. Derry are unbeaten against the listed and are back to back ulster champions, therefore by logic are better than them! This during the upheaval of losing their manager mid season.
Prior to losing Gallagher I would have said Derry were marginally better than the rest but they've drawn with Armagh and Monaghan since then so it's hard to say there is that much difference in Derry, Monaghan and Armagh. It's still not fully clear what the impact of losing their manager has been and Meenagh has done a good job of steadying the ship but the biggest test will be the next match against Kerry. I'd like to see Derry and Monaghan both win their semi finals but I just can't see it. The same would have applied if Armagh had gone through, they are all a level below those 2 sides imo.
This game was a carbon copy of the Ulster final. Eeerily similar. Same style of play from us and the opponent, same black card incident, penalties and same outcome. I don't think it's a coincidence or bad luck that we've found ourselves in two penalty situations this year, and one last year. We haven't been able to finish the job in normal time. I've found the lack of goals very frustrating. We created goal chances on Saturday but again couldn't take one. Monaghan didn't create any, unless you count the one half chance that blazed over the bar. In these kinds of matches, we take one of those chances and it's probably enough to get the win. We just are lacking that level of certainty and decision making in front of goal. It shows itself in the option to take a fisted point rather than throw a dummy and side step the keeper. We see it too when the ball is laid off to another forward who inevitably gets smothered by the keeper and gets blocked, or has to take the fisted point. It's hurt us badly this year and last. I haven't heard this mentioned much in all the post match analysis this year and last. The area that the Sunday game focused on, and all the podcasts will too probably, is the sitting deep tactic. We just don't do it very well. Sitting deep is fine in itself if it leads to turnovers and counters. But looking at the Derry and Monaghan games, we got very few turnovers, and of the ones we do, we tend not to translate them into counters that lead to scores because we can't counter quickly enough or have an out ball for us up the pitch. We don't get turnovers because we sit off too much. In the games I've been at this year, Derry, Westmeath and Monaghan all had the time to pretty much do what they pleased with their possession building out from the back and when getting into our half. If they wanted to keep the ball for 2, 3.4 minutes and then decide to take a shot, they could, and we were relying on them kicking it wide by that stage. Sitting deep keeps out the goals, but it doesn't prevent the other side kicking points. It's a tactic that's not working for us as we've been beaten (Derry/Monaghan) or been very close to losing (Westmeath). Gaelic football is about intensity and passion or as it used to be called, getting stuck in. Standing off isn't an option. Looking at Kerry against Tyrone, they sat deep, but they made bloody sure they were breathing down their necks, getting a hand or foot in to get the ball away and making life very uncomfortable for the Tyrone forwards who were playing with their back to goal and not able to get turned. Contrast that to us sitting, 2 or more yards off and letting them play in front of us. The other thing I thought hurt us badly against Monaghan was just not enough movement from our forwards when we were trying to break them down. There were times when we needed somebody to break away from their marker and try a run in behind into space for a quick ball over the top of the defender. It just wasn't happening enough.
All in all a very frustrating feel to the season and a sense that we've let key matches slip through our fingers. A lot of unknowns now looking forward to next year. Unfortunately unless you're a Kerry or Dublin most seasons end in pain for their supporters. Our's is at the higher end of the pain spectrum because of the nature of the defeats and the feeling that there is an Ulster in this team. I don't think Derry and Monaghan are particularly great (in terms of AI potential) or any better than us, and the semi finals will be as far as they can go. But the nagging feeling will be that we could and should have beaten both of them this year.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 03, 2023, 12:25:56 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 03, 2023, 12:22:40 PM
Quote from: mackers on July 03, 2023, 12:14:56 PM
OK lads. Hands up. Derry are miles better than Armagh. Probably by about 10 points. Christ on a bike.
Listen to these big Derry supporters ffs. I've probably been to more Derry games than the half of them. This time 5 years ago if Derry were playing in their back gardens they'd have drawn the curtains.
Hmmm are you lot ones to really talk about bandwagoners. Suppose when your clubs roll over year on year and get their asses handed to them by Cross there's not much else to watch!
Not sure Walt, we've had 3 different winners for the last three years so who knows?
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Jarly Og Burns- Dive for a pointed free
Aidan Forker- Dive for a pointed free
Stefan Campbell- Dive for a black card
Conor McManus- knows the drill
Quote from: Armamike on July 03, 2023, 12:40:03 PM
This game was a carbon copy of the Ulster final. Eeerily similar. Same style of play from us and the opponent, same black card incident, penalties and same outcome. I don't think it's a coincidence or bad luck that we've found ourselves in two penalty situations this year, and one last year. We haven't been able to finish the job in normal time. I've found the lack of goals very frustrating. We created goal chances on Saturday but again couldn't take one. Monaghan didn't create any, unless you count the one half chance that blazed over the bar. In these kinds of matches, we take one of those chances and it's probably enough to get the win. We just are lacking that level of certainty and decision making in front of goal. It shows itself in the option to take a fisted point rather than throw a dummy and side step the keeper. We see it too when the ball is laid off to another forward who inevitably gets smothered by the keeper and gets blocked, or has to take the fisted point. It's hurt us badly this year and last. I haven't heard this mentioned much in all the post match analysis this year and last. The area that the Sunday game focused on, and all the podcasts will too probably, is the sitting deep tactic. We just don't do it very well. Sitting deep is fine in itself if it leads to turnovers and counters. But looking at the Derry and Monaghan games, we got very few turnovers, and of the ones we do, we tend not to translate them into counters that lead to scores because we can't counter quickly enough or have an out ball for us up the pitch. We don't get turnovers because we sit off too much. In the games I've been at this year, Derry, Westmeath and Monaghan all had the time to pretty much do what they pleased with their possession building out from the back and when getting into our half. If they wanted to keep the ball for 2, 3.4 minutes and then decide to take a shot, they could, and we were relying on them kicking it wide by that stage. Sitting deep keeps out the goals, but it doesn't prevent the other side kicking points. It's a tactic that's not working for us as we've been beaten (Derry/Monaghan) or been very close to losing (Westmeath). Gaelic football is about intensity and passion or as it used to be called, getting stuck in. Standing off isn't an option. Looking at Kerry against Tyrone, they sat deep, but they made bloody sure they were breathing down their necks, getting a hand or foot in to get the ball away and making life very uncomfortable for the Tyrone forwards who were playing with their back to goal and not able to get turned. Contrast that to us sitting, 2 or more yards off and letting them play in front of us. The other thing I thought hurt us badly against Monaghan was just not enough movement from our forwards when we were trying to break them down. There were times when we needed somebody to break away from their marker and try a run in behind into space for a quick ball over the top of the defender. It just wasn't happening enough.
All in all a very frustrating feel to the season and a sense that we've let key matches slip through our fingers. A lot of unknowns now looking forward to next year. Unfortunately unless you're a Kerry or Dublin most seasons end in pain for their supporters. Our's is at the higher end of the pain spectrum because of the nature of the defeats and the feeling that there is an Ulster in this team. I don't think Derry and Monaghan are particularly great (in terms of AI potential) or any better than us, and the semi finals will be as far as they can go. But the nagging feeling will be that we could and should have beaten both of them this year.
The simple fact is that Armagh's 'great forward line' is bit of a media creation. Campbell- flashes of class but goes walkabout when the chips are down. Murnin- a bit too nice. Jemar Hall and Jason Duffy won't trouble the scoreboard. Rian O'Neill- 1 point from play the last day. Tubritt- anonymous when man marked. Grugan, a bit like Murnin good footballer but will he really win you the big games? These are all good mid-range players but no superstars among them. That's the truth of it.
It's a hot take Angus and it might even be true. But what you define as "mid-range" is surely the best you can expect from a forward if they don't see the ball.
Quote from: Armamike on July 03, 2023, 12:40:03 PM
This game was a carbon copy of the Ulster final. Eeerily similar. Same style of play from us and the opponent, same black card incident, penalties and same outcome. I don't think it's a coincidence or bad luck that we've found ourselves in two penalty situations this year, and one last year. We haven't been able to finish the job in normal time. I've found the lack of goals very frustrating. We created goal chances on Saturday but again couldn't take one. Monaghan didn't create any, unless you count the one half chance that blazed over the bar. In these kinds of matches, we take one of those chances and it's probably enough to get the win. We just are lacking that level of certainty and decision making in front of goal. It shows itself in the option to take a fisted point rather than throw a dummy and side step the keeper. We see it too when the ball is laid off to another forward who inevitably gets smothered by the keeper and gets blocked, or has to take the fisted point. It's hurt us badly this year and last. I haven't heard this mentioned much in all the post match analysis this year and last. The area that the Sunday game focused on, and all the podcasts will too probably, is the sitting deep tactic. We just don't do it very well. Sitting deep is fine in itself if it leads to turnovers and counters. But looking at the Derry and Monaghan games, we got very few turnovers, and of the ones we do, we tend not to translate them into counters that lead to scores because we can't counter quickly enough or have an out ball for us up the pitch. We don't get turnovers because we sit off too much. In the games I've been at this year, Derry, Westmeath and Monaghan all had the time to pretty much do what they pleased with their possession building out from the back and when getting into our half. If they wanted to keep the ball for 2, 3.4 minutes and then decide to take a shot, they could, and we were relying on them kicking it wide by that stage. Sitting deep keeps out the goals, but it doesn't prevent the other side kicking points. It's a tactic that's not working for us as we've been beaten (Derry/Monaghan) or been very close to losing (Westmeath). Gaelic football is about intensity and passion or as it used to be called, getting stuck in. Standing off isn't an option. Looking at Kerry against Tyrone, they sat deep, but they made bloody sure they were breathing down their necks, getting a hand or foot in to get the ball away and making life very uncomfortable for the Tyrone forwards who were playing with their back to goal and not able to get turned. Contrast that to us sitting, 2 or more yards off and letting them play in front of us. The other thing I thought hurt us badly against Monaghan was just not enough movement from our forwards when we were trying to break them down. There were times when we needed somebody to break away from their marker and try a run in behind into space for a quick ball over the top of the defender. It just wasn't happening enough.
All in all a very frustrating feel to the season and a sense that we've let key matches slip through our fingers. A lot of unknowns now looking forward to next year. Unfortunately unless you're a Kerry or Dublin most seasons end in pain for their supporters. Our's is at the higher end of the pain spectrum because of the nature of the defeats and the feeling that there is an Ulster in this team. I don't think Derry and Monaghan are particularly great (in terms of AI potential) or any better than us, and the semi finals will be as far as they can go. But the nagging feeling will be that we could and should have beaten both of them this year.
That sort of honest in-depth analysis doesn't cut it on the board any more Mike. We're fecking useless, over-hyped media myths.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on July 03, 2023, 01:09:31 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Jarly Og Burns- Dive for a pointed free
Aidan Forker- Dive for a pointed free
Stefan Campbell- Dive for a black card
Conor McManus- knows the drill
Can't remember the other 2 but Campbell didn't dive. He was tripped. Should not have been a black card tho
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 03, 2023, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
It was a definite foul but with McManus enhancing the drama. The script was already written for that last piece of drama, everybody knew their lines except Armagh and the ref was right on cue.
I see the GAA have stated that a wide was the correct call.
"During the Armagh v Monaghan game yesterday the Hawk-Eye score detection system returned a 'data unavailable' message. The GAA requested an explanation from Hawk-Eye who concluded that the message was a result of operator error.
The GAA is happy that the system review confirmed the on-field decision by the referee taken at the time."
I wonder what the operator error was?
And if the review showed it was in fact a point and Monaghan happened to lose the game in ET or penalties, another secret to buried in the Croke park cellars and the operator falls out of a 5th floor window?
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 03, 2023, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
It was a definite foul but with McManus enhancing the drama. The script was already written for that last piece of drama, everybody knew their lines except Armagh and the ref was right on cue.
I see the GAA have stated that a wide was the correct call.
"During the Armagh v Monaghan game yesterday the Hawk-Eye score detection system returned a 'data unavailable' message. The GAA requested an explanation from Hawk-Eye who concluded that the message was a result of operator error.
The GAA is happy that the system review confirmed the on-field decision by the referee taken at the time."
I wonder what the operator error was?
And if the review showed it was in fact a point and Monaghan happened to lose the game in ET or penalties, another secret to buried in the Croke park cellars and the operator falls out of a 5th floor window?
Hawk-eye gives some bother in the GAA. Does it give the same amount of trouble in its other sporting applications? I read it costs between €7-8k per game!
Quote from: trailer on July 03, 2023, 03:11:16 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 03, 2023, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
It was a definite foul but with McManus enhancing the drama. The script was already written for that last piece of drama, everybody knew their lines except Armagh and the ref was right on cue.
I see the GAA have stated that a wide was the correct call.
"During the Armagh v Monaghan game yesterday the Hawk-Eye score detection system returned a 'data unavailable' message. The GAA requested an explanation from Hawk-Eye who concluded that the message was a result of operator error.
The GAA is happy that the system review confirmed the on-field decision by the referee taken at the time."
I wonder what the operator error was?
And if the review showed it was in fact a point and Monaghan happened to lose the game in ET or penalties, another secret to buried in the Croke park cellars and the operator falls out of a 5th floor window?
Hawk-eye gives some bother in the GAA. Does it give the same amount of trouble in its other sporting applications? I read it costs between €7-8k per game!
Points are tricky and more frequent in GAA versus say rugby.
Quote from: trailer on July 03, 2023, 03:11:16 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 03, 2023, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
It was a definite foul but with McManus enhancing the drama. The script was already written for that last piece of drama, everybody knew their lines except Armagh and the ref was right on cue.
I see the GAA have stated that a wide was the correct call.
"During the Armagh v Monaghan game yesterday the Hawk-Eye score detection system returned a 'data unavailable' message. The GAA requested an explanation from Hawk-Eye who concluded that the message was a result of operator error.
The GAA is happy that the system review confirmed the on-field decision by the referee taken at the time."
I wonder what the operator error was?
And if the review showed it was in fact a point and Monaghan happened to lose the game in ET or penalties, another secret to buried in the Croke park cellars and the operator falls out of a 5th floor window?
Hawk-eye gives some bother in the GAA. Does it give the same amount of trouble in its other sporting applications? I read it costs between €7-8k per game!
I was sure this was a point on the day. Have looked for a reply and have not seen any.
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 03, 2023, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
It was very slight contact but there was probably enough in it for the ref to give a free. Refs are always going to give a free there, at that late stage to level things up. It worked in our favour against Derry when Soupy got a similarly soft one to level it at the very end. The chances are if McManus had taken another step or 2 he would have kicked it over anyway. The problem for us was that he managed to get out in front to win the ball and turn. Once he turned, that was that, free or score.
Quote from: seafoid on July 03, 2023, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 03, 2023, 03:11:16 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 03, 2023, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
It was a definite foul but with McManus enhancing the drama. The script was already written for that last piece of drama, everybody knew their lines except Armagh and the ref was right on cue.
I see the GAA have stated that a wide was the correct call.
"During the Armagh v Monaghan game yesterday the Hawk-Eye score detection system returned a 'data unavailable' message. The GAA requested an explanation from Hawk-Eye who concluded that the message was a result of operator error.
The GAA is happy that the system review confirmed the on-field decision by the referee taken at the time."
I wonder what the operator error was?
And if the review showed it was in fact a point and Monaghan happened to lose the game in ET or penalties, another secret to buried in the Croke park cellars and the operator falls out of a 5th floor window?
Hawk-eye gives some bother in the GAA. Does it give the same amount of trouble in its other sporting applications? I read it costs between €7-8k per game!
Points are tricky and more frequent in GAA versus say rugby.
I don't watch rugby but am I right in saying rugby posts are higher than GAA posts ?
Raise the height of the posts , and that would sort out some of the close calls
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 03, 2023, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
It was a definite foul but with McManus enhancing the drama. The script was already written for that last piece of drama, everybody knew their lines except Armagh and the ref was right on cue.
I see the GAA have stated that a wide was the correct call.
"During the Armagh v Monaghan game yesterday the Hawk-Eye score detection system returned a 'data unavailable' message. The GAA requested an explanation from Hawk-Eye who concluded that the message was a result of operator error.
The GAA is happy that the system review confirmed the on-field decision by the referee taken at the time."
I wonder what the operator error was?
And if the review showed it was in fact a point and Monaghan happened to lose the game in ET or penalties, another secret to buried in the Croke park cellars and the operator falls out of a 5th floor window?
Load of rubbish. Only saying that to try to avoid controversy. Doesn't matter now but had Monaghan lost they'd be under pressure to release the evidence. For what its worth I was sure it was over as well and a very noisy Armagh fan beside also thought it was over.
Quote from: straightred on July 03, 2023, 05:37:30 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 03, 2023, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
It was a definite foul but with McManus enhancing the drama. The script was already written for that last piece of drama, everybody knew their lines except Armagh and the ref was right on cue.
I see the GAA have stated that a wide was the correct call.
"During the Armagh v Monaghan game yesterday the Hawk-Eye score detection system returned a 'data unavailable' message. The GAA requested an explanation from Hawk-Eye who concluded that the message was a result of operator error.
The GAA is happy that the system review confirmed the on-field decision by the referee taken at the time."
I wonder what the operator error was?
And if the review showed it was in fact a point and Monaghan happened to lose the game in ET or penalties, another secret to buried in the Croke park cellars and the operator falls out of a 5th floor window?
Load of rubbish. Only saying that to try to avoid controversy. Doesn't matter now but had Monaghan lost they'd be under pressure to release the evidence. For what its worth I was sure it was over as well and a very noisy Armagh fan beside also thought it was over.
I thought it was over too but another was given which I thought was wide.
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 03, 2023, 06:06:00 PM
Quote from: straightred on July 03, 2023, 05:37:30 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 03, 2023, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
It was a definite foul but with McManus enhancing the drama. The script was already written for that last piece of drama, everybody knew their lines except Armagh and the ref was right on cue.
I see the GAA have stated that a wide was the correct call.
"During the Armagh v Monaghan game yesterday the Hawk-Eye score detection system returned a 'data unavailable' message. The GAA requested an explanation from Hawk-Eye who concluded that the message was a result of operator error.
The GAA is happy that the system review confirmed the on-field decision by the referee taken at the time."
I wonder what the operator error was?
And if the review showed it was in fact a point and Monaghan happened to lose the game in ET or penalties, another secret to buried in the Croke park cellars and the operator falls out of a 5th floor window?
Load of rubbish. Only saying that to try to avoid controversy. Doesn't matter now but had Monaghan lost they'd be under pressure to release the evidence. For what its worth I was sure it was over as well and a very noisy Armagh fan beside also thought it was over.
I thought it was over too but another was given which I thought was wide.
I was directly behind the line of that Monaghan shot.It definitely looked like a point.
Quote from: Armamike on July 03, 2023, 03:31:25 PM
It was very slight contact but there was probably enough in it for the ref to give a free. Refs are always going to give a free there, at that late stage to level things up. It worked in our favour against Derry when Soupy got a similarly soft one to level it at the very end. The chances are if McManus had taken another step or 2 he would have kicked it over anyway. The problem for us was that he managed to get out in front to win the ball and turn. Once he turned, that was that, free or score.
I think it was Grugan who was closest to McManus at that stage. A cuter team would have a back there who might have spoiled his getting the ball or stop him shooting. Perhaps we do not have such a back, or not on the field anyway.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/07/03/mayo-people-will-put-up-with-a-lot-but-they-wont-accept-meek-surrender/
Of the four teams who left the stage this weekend, Cork can probably get on board with the idea that they got the most out of themselves this season. That could be a slightly trickier proposition in Armagh but when you go out on penalties, there's not much point in getting too bound up in recriminations. Armagh are a top-eight team. If the shoot-out had broken their way, they'd have made the last four. Ultimately, they played 2023 more or less to par.
is hooliganism creeping to the gaa fouled by cocaine and the same hair cuts
Quote from: Eire90 on July 03, 2023, 08:53:03 PM
is hooliganism creeping to the gaa fouled by cocaine and the same hair cuts
Should exchange the coke for some weed, would better craic
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 03, 2023, 05:06:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 03, 2023, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 03, 2023, 03:11:16 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 03, 2023, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
It was a definite foul but with McManus enhancing the drama. The script was already written for that last piece of drama, everybody knew their lines except Armagh and the ref was right on cue.
I see the GAA have stated that a wide was the correct call.
"During the Armagh v Monaghan game yesterday the Hawk-Eye score detection system returned a 'data unavailable' message. The GAA requested an explanation from Hawk-Eye who concluded that the message was a result of operator error.
The GAA is happy that the system review confirmed the on-field decision by the referee taken at the time."
I wonder what the operator error was?
And if the review showed it was in fact a point and Monaghan happened to lose the game in ET or penalties, another secret to buried in the Croke park cellars and the operator falls out of a 5th floor window?
Hawk-eye gives some bother in the GAA. Does it give the same amount of trouble in its other sporting applications? I read it costs between €7-8k per game!
Points are tricky and more frequent in GAA versus say rugby.
I don't watch rugby but am I right in saying rugby posts are higher than GAA posts ?
Raise the height of the posts , and that would sort out some of the close calls
Or even put another crossbar at the top of the posts and the ball has to go through this rectangle. :)
Quote from: marty34 on July 03, 2023, 10:45:09 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 03, 2023, 05:06:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 03, 2023, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 03, 2023, 03:11:16 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 03, 2023, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
It was a definite foul but with McManus enhancing the drama. The script was already written for that last piece of drama, everybody knew their lines except Armagh and the ref was right on cue.
I see the GAA have stated that a wide was the correct call.
"During the Armagh v Monaghan game yesterday the Hawk-Eye score detection system returned a 'data unavailable' message. The GAA requested an explanation from Hawk-Eye who concluded that the message was a result of operator error.
The GAA is happy that the system review confirmed the on-field decision by the referee taken at the time."
I wonder what the operator error was?
And if the review showed it was in fact a point and Monaghan happened to lose the game in ET or penalties, another secret to buried in the Croke park cellars and the operator falls out of a 5th floor window?
Hawk-eye gives some bother in the GAA. Does it give the same amount of trouble in its other sporting applications? I read it costs between €7-8k per game!
Points are tricky and more frequent in GAA versus say rugby.
I don't watch rugby but am I right in saying rugby posts are higher than GAA posts ?
Raise the height of the posts , and that would sort out some of the close calls
Or even put another crossbar at the top of the posts and the ball has to go through this rectangle. :)
You might jest , but that was proposed a few short years back . I think it failed
A top crossbar would have to a standard height quite high up. A lot of smaller grounds, school grounds etc would not presently have posts that high
Quote from: armaghniac on July 04, 2023, 01:03:09 AM
A top crossbar would have to a standard height quite high up. A lot of smaller grounds, school grounds etc would not presently have posts that high
None of them have Hawkeye either. #Jaysus
Quote from: armaghniac on July 04, 2023, 01:03:09 AM
A top crossbar would have to a standard height quite high up. A lot of smaller grounds, school grounds etc would not presently have posts that high
I'm no PhD engineer but this might be difficult for other reasons never mind it being an absolutely stupid idea in the first place
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 03, 2023, 11:22:39 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 03, 2023, 10:45:09 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 03, 2023, 05:06:29 PM
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Quote from: trailer on July 03, 2023, 03:11:16 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 03, 2023, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 03, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
It was a definite foul but with McManus enhancing the drama. The script was already written for that last piece of drama, everybody knew their lines except Armagh and the ref was right on cue.
I see the GAA have stated that a wide was the correct call.
"During the Armagh v Monaghan game yesterday the Hawk-Eye score detection system returned a 'data unavailable' message. The GAA requested an explanation from Hawk-Eye who concluded that the message was a result of operator error.
The GAA is happy that the system review confirmed the on-field decision by the referee taken at the time."
I wonder what the operator error was?
And if the review showed it was in fact a point and Monaghan happened to lose the game in ET or penalties, another secret to buried in the Croke park cellars and the operator falls out of a 5th floor window?
Hawk-eye gives some bother in the GAA. Does it give the same amount of trouble in its other sporting applications? I read it costs between €7-8k per game!
Points are tricky and more frequent in GAA versus say rugby.
I don't watch rugby but am I right in saying rugby posts are higher than GAA posts ?
Raise the height of the posts , and that would sort out some of the close calls
Or even put another crossbar at the top of the posts and the ball has to go through this rectangle. :)
You might jest , but that was proposed a few short years back . I think it failed
Awful proposal. Let's make it harder to score.
Something nice about seeing a booming point from out the pitch fly over the ball stopper.
Didn't the Camógs have a point crossbar one time?
Quote from: Steps on July 04, 2023, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 04, 2023, 01:03:09 AM
A top crossbar would have to a standard height quite high up. A lot of smaller grounds, school grounds etc would not presently have posts that high
I'm no PhD engineer but this might be difficult for other reasons never mind it being an absolutely stupid idea in the first place
I share your lack of PHD but know enough that a top crossbar would be the silliest thing to be considered since the bishop through in the hall. Get rid of Hawkeye. It is a costly cod of a thing and learn to accept that mistakes will be made by humans and suck it up...there can't be different rules in corker than the thousand other grounds in Ireland yet in Croker we allow this crap.
Quote from: Eire90 on July 03, 2023, 08:53:03 PM
is hooliganism creeping to the gaa fouled by cocaine and the same hair cuts
Armagh need to sort this out and Monaghan as well. Man up and admit there is a problem and address it.
Those people involved need identified and suspensions issued. All ticketmaster purchases should require a club id or county id.
Quote from: rrhf on July 04, 2023, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 03, 2023, 08:53:03 PM
is hooliganism creeping to the gaa fouled by cocaine and the same hair cuts
Armagh need to sort this out and Monaghan as well. Man up and admit there is a problem and address it.
Those people involved need identified and suspensions issued. All ticketmaster purchases should require a club id or county id.
Jesus don't be putting any more pressure on those clowns at ticketmaster!
Quote from: armaghniac on July 03, 2023, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: Armamike on July 03, 2023, 03:31:25 PM
It was very slight contact but there was probably enough in it for the ref to give a free. Refs are always going to give a free there, at that late stage to level things up. It worked in our favour against Derry when Soupy got a similarly soft one to level it at the very end. The chances are if McManus had taken another step or 2 he would have kicked it over anyway. The problem for us was that he managed to get out in front to win the ball and turn. Once he turned, that was that, free or score.
I think it was Grugan who was closest to McManus at that stage. A cuter team would have a back there who might have spoiled his getting the ball or stop him shooting. Perhaps we do not have such a back, or not on the field anyway.
Missed Morgan badly.
Quote from: rrhf on July 04, 2023, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 03, 2023, 08:53:03 PM
is hooliganism creeping to the gaa fouled by cocaine and the same hair cuts
Armagh need to sort this out and Monaghan as well. Man up and admit there is a problem and address it.
Those people involved need identified and suspensions issued. All ticketmaster purchases should require a club id or county id.
Bit OTT there, although I would agree Armagh are the common denominator in these instances. There is a well established booze brigade within their support every summer. Thankfully this is a localised issue for Armagh, and it requires a localised solution. Armagh board need to plan now for these types of behaviour next year.
No need to run to ticketmaster to police it.
I don't see how it's localised if a few different sets of fans are at it.
A few thoughts on the game. Massively disappointed of course. I dont mind getting beaten if its all left out there on the field but it wasn't. Far from it. We need to go back to playing on the front foot. Allowing Monaghan to play keep ball when we should have been taking advantage was criminal. Can only leave that at managements door. Sure there was a few decisions either way but the only blame for that defeat lies with ourselves not the ref. Can Armagh play better, yes there is way more in that team if the shackles were taken off. This business of playing keep ball and looking for the killer score when the clock is almost up is so risky and can't be used as an on going strategy. I want a change in approach not change in manager and Rafferty back out the field with traditonal goal keeper used. What do we gain from Ethans forays up the field. Not a lot over the course of the season imho.
Was back in the harps club for 10.30 the only bit of luck i had all day. The cones were being put out near Dundalk as i went past so missed the traffic jam by minutes. ;D
Kerry will not pulverise Derry the same way. Tyrone just never got going but no doubt will be back next year.
Forget about Ticketmaster. Just need the guards to jump in and bate lumps out of them to teach them some manners.
Quote from: maddog on July 04, 2023, 01:20:31 PM
A few thoughts on the game. Massively disappointed of course. I dont mind getting beaten if its all left out there on the field but it wasn't. Far from it. We need to go back to playing on the front foot. Allowing Monaghan to play keep ball when we should have been taking advantage was criminal. Can only leave that at managements door. Sure there was a few decisions either way but the only blame for that defeat lies with ourselves not the ref. Can Armagh play better, yes there is way more in that team if the shackles were taken off. This business of playing keep ball and looking for the killer score when the clock is almost up is so risky and can't be used as an on going strategy. I want a change in approach not change in manager and Rafferty back out the field with traditonal goal keeper used. What do we gain from Ethans forays up the field. Not a lot over the course of the season imho.
Was back in the harps club for 10.30 the only bit of luck i had all day. The cones were being put out near Dundalk as i went past so missed the traffic jam by minutes. ;D
Kerry will not pulverise Derry the same way. Tyrone just never got going but no doubt will be back next year.
Agree with that. I don't see any value whatsoever in it. Anything we gain from it is cancelled out.
In terms of style of play just can't understand the logic of playing zonal. Ultimately it hasn't brought us the results.
At least one of McManus's points came directly from a goalkeeping misadventure
Quote from: bennydorano on July 04, 2023, 02:12:14 PM
At least one of McManus's points came directly from a goalkeeping misadventure
Yes when he went on a solo run and lost the ball. He has bags of pace and is good in the air. CHF maybe ?
Quote from: bennydorano on July 04, 2023, 02:12:14 PM
At least one of McManus's points came directly from a goalkeeping misadventure
I've watched it back. He was fouled twice coming out with the ball.
Was watching the match with two Armagh mates on Saturday and as a neutral I wasn't sure who I wanted to win (or lose) the most despite the behaviour of most the Armagh fans during and after the Tyrone game.
I was pleased for the Monaghan fans at the end but I did feel for Armagh fans again. As Armaghmike said in his good long post yesterday, yis must be fierce frustrated and in my eyes definitely aren't playing to yer strengths.
R.O'Neill should be your top scorer and the Armagh version of Michael Murphy if ye used him right. He's gone through the season only making bad headlines whereas last year yis were playing a much more attacking style of football and he nearly got an all star.
One point I was making after the game on Sat was, do you not think teams approach extra time in the wrong mindset. Yes I can appreciate they are tired but if you know you dont want to risk penalties should you not just go for the win. How many times have we seen teams in ET just hold the ball and only maybe take on a few shots. It's as if they would rather hold off til penalties.
In general it has been a season for most teams where the fear of losing possession is really ruining the game. Kerry punished Tyrone hugely for it on Sat with so many turnovers. It will be interesting to see does Derry try to hold possession more and play a very low risk game plan.
On another note. The problem with fans drinking before matches has been around for years. Yes it would seem Armagh fans seem to maybe do it in bigger numbers than other fans but I cannot see how you can control it. Lots of them are probably not getting tickets from clubs so maybe they need to be assessed by Gardai or security staff before being allowed in. I suppose for loads of young lads in just a day out on the beer.
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Quote from: bennydorano on July 04, 2023, 02:12:14 PM
At least one of McManus's points came directly from a goalkeeping misadventure
I've watched it back. He was fouled twice coming out with the ball.
I've made this point previously, Ethan Rafferty offers more to the team at no.11 , than he does at no.1! He's been turned over , way too far from goals , has made a few errors under the high ball...do the team feel confident with him in goals as compared to a 'full- time' GK ? Far better footballer than GK !
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Some dive by McManus at the end, but once again, Armagh stupid fouling haunts them again,
Was it a dive or a foul?
It was a definite foul but with McManus enhancing the drama. The script was already written for that last piece of drama, everybody knew their lines except Armagh and the ref was right on cue.
I see the GAA have stated that a wide was the correct call.
"During the Armagh v Monaghan game yesterday the Hawk-Eye score detection system returned a 'data unavailable' message. The GAA requested an explanation from Hawk-Eye who concluded that the message was a result of operator error.
The GAA is happy that the system review confirmed the on-field decision by the referee taken at the time."
I wonder what the operator error was?
And if the review showed it was in fact a point and Monaghan happened to lose the game in ET or penalties, another secret to buried in the Croke park cellars and the operator falls out of a 5th floor window?
Hawk-eye gives some bother in the GAA. Does it give the same amount of trouble in its other sporting applications? I read it costs between €7-8k per game!
Points are tricky and more frequent in GAA versus say rugby.
I don't watch rugby but am I right in saying rugby posts are higher than GAA posts ?
Raise the height of the posts , and that would sort out some of the close calls
Or even put another crossbar at the top of the posts and the ball has to go through this rectangle. :)
You might jest , but that was proposed a few short years back . I think it failed
Awful proposal. Let's make it harder to score.
Something nice about seeing a booming point from out the pitch fly over the ball stopper.
Not if it lands on your ham sandwiches , it's not.
On the issue of drunken fans ... if they're clearly drunk on entry, don't let them in. After a few times of refused entry , having spent maybe €40 or €50 a time on a ticket , they'll learn .
Not wishing to stick the boot in out of glee but the defensive set up for that last play was píss poor. Armagh went man to man, Monaghan players then moved to locate themselves away from the space between the 21 and 45, even players took their willing dedicated marker towards both sidelines. Once the ball got moving, then McCarron takes his marker out of harm's way. There was so much space opened up between the 45 and 20m lines. McManus received the ball, (the clutch legend) could spin around his lone marker using the ring road bus lane. To top it all, Beggan was alone in an acre of space on the 20m.
https://youtu.be/tMVHhGj_Oh8?t=485 (https://youtu.be/tMVHhGj_Oh8?t=485)
Quote from: Eire90 on July 03, 2023, 08:53:03 PM
is hooliganism creeping to the gaa fouled by cocaine and the same hair cuts
Creeping in? We had dozens of rows a few summers ago, rember the auld wan braining a fella with a hurl? Wasn't dealt with then, won't be dealt with now.
A lot of comments about armagh fans and rightly so but I was also on the hill Saturday (sober!) and it was the monaghan ones around us causing grief. Groups of hammered lads - not even that young, mid to late 20s- giving a lot of aggro and shouting abuse and nasty personal things at a group of armagh girls beside us. Had to move away from 2 groups of monaghan lads for ott aggressive behaviour. Also saw a good few monaghan lads escorted off for having flares. Majority of comments blaming armagh but there were 2 counties at it.
McManus bought that last free kick, he done the exact same in Newry 2 years ago from a similar position in the dying seconds to win 2 free kicks. To me it looked like a ploy by Monaghan to get him on the ball in order to try and work the free kick. You could see Corey trying to get instructions onto the players during the injury delay. It would have been much better if Grugan had just let him go and have the shot as I doubt he would have got the score as he faced another Armagh body. But tired minds and bodies can lead to bad decision making and mistakes so it's hard to fault Grugan too much, he's not a natural defender. But it has happened us too often now.
Morgan fouled McGuigan late on in the Ulster final and the same thing happened as we failed to see the game out in the closing stages. The same thing also happened against Galway last year as Donaghy waved everyone back behind the 45m line on the Galway kick out only for McDaid to ghost in for a late equaliser at the death. The fear of losing always seems to take over with this Armagh side and it shows in the way they defend deep and mark zones. When we had the opportunity to stick the knife into Monaghan for that first period of extra time we couldn't push up and pressure the man with the ball because that was alien to how we have defended all season. As someone else said earlier it was almost an identical situation to the Ulster final against Derry when Rogers was sent to the bin. We learned nothing because we couldn't adopt as the defensive plan was much too rigid.
The problem when you suffer those kind of narrow defeats is that the scar tissue builds up and the anxiety increases further. We put far too much emphasis on the opposition instead of focusing on our own strengths. It looks very much to me like management decided over the winter that we better try to shield our defensive weaknesses by dropping loads of bodies back and going zonal but it came at the expense of our attacking play. Outside of the division three sides we scored 2 goals all season from 11 matches, one being a Beggan mistake and the other being a Gleeson mistake against Galway. I don't know what Kieran Donaghys role is but we have gone backwards as an attacking force this season and were one of the dullest teams to watch.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 04, 2023, 04:18:44 PM
McManus bought that last free kick, he done the exact same in Newry 2 years ago from a similar position in the dying seconds to win 2 free kicks. To me it looked like a ploy by Monaghan to get him on the ball in order to try and work the free kick. You could see Corey trying to get instructions onto the players during the injury delay. It would have been much better if Grugan had just let him go and have the shot as I doubt he would have got the score as he faced another Armagh body. But tired minds and bodies can lead to bad decision making and mistakes so it's hard to fault Grugan too much, he's not a natural defender. But it has happened us too often now.
Morgan fouled McGuigan late on in the Ulster final and the same thing happened as we failed to see the game out in the closing stages. The same thing also happened against Galway last year as Donaghy waved everyone back behind the 45m line on the Galway kick out only for McDaid to ghost in for a late equaliser at the death. The fear of losing always seems to take over with this Armagh side and it shows in the way they defend deep and mark zones. When we had the opportunity to stick the knife into Monaghan for that first period of extra time we couldn't push up and pressure the man with the ball because that was alien to how we have defended all season. As someone else said earlier it was almost an identical situation to the Ulster final against Derry when Rogers was sent to the bin. We learned nothing because we couldn't adopt as the defensive plan was much too rigid.
The problem when you suffer those kind of narrow defeats is that the scar tissue builds up and the anxiety increases further. We put far too much emphasis on the opposition instead of focusing on our own strengths. It looks very much to me like management decided over the winter that we better try to shield our defensive weaknesses by dropping loads of bodies back and going zonal but it came at the expense of our attacking play. Outside of the division three sides we scored 2 goals all season from 11 matches, one being a Beggan mistake and the other being a Gleeson mistake against Galway. I don't know what Kieran Donaghys role is but we have gone backwards as an attacking force this season and were one of the dullest teams to watch.
Funny thing is, and it was a foul, but if Grugan had of had 2 or 3 other players with him slapping at McManus all at the same time, McManus would have been done for over carrying.
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Quote from: yellowcard on July 04, 2023, 04:18:44 PM
McManus bought that last free kick, he done the exact same in Newry 2 years ago from a similar position in the dying seconds to win 2 free kicks. To me it looked like a ploy by Monaghan to get him on the ball in order to try and work the free kick. You could see Corey trying to get instructions onto the players during the injury delay. It would have been much better if Grugan had just let him go and have the shot as I doubt he would have got the score as he faced another Armagh body. But tired minds and bodies can lead to bad decision making and mistakes so it's hard to fault Grugan too much, he's not a natural defender. But it has happened us too often now.
Morgan fouled McGuigan late on in the Ulster final and the same thing happened as we failed to see the game out in the closing stages. The same thing also happened against Galway last year as Donaghy waved everyone back behind the 45m line on the Galway kick out only for McDaid to ghost in for a late equaliser at the death. The fear of losing always seems to take over with this Armagh side and it shows in the way they defend deep and mark zones. When we had the opportunity to stick the knife into Monaghan for that first period of extra time we couldn't push up and pressure the man with the ball because that was alien to how we have defended all season. As someone else said earlier it was almost an identical situation to the Ulster final against Derry when Rogers was sent to the bin. We learned nothing because we couldn't adopt as the defensive plan was much too rigid.
The problem when you suffer those kind of narrow defeats is that the scar tissue builds up and the anxiety increases further. We put far too much emphasis on the opposition instead of focusing on our own strengths. It looks very much to me like management decided over the winter that we better try to shield our defensive weaknesses by dropping loads of bodies back and going zonal but it came at the expense of our attacking play. Outside of the division three sides we scored 2 goals all season from 11 matches, one being a Beggan mistake and the other being a Gleeson mistake against Galway. I don't know what Kieran Donaghys role is but we have gone backwards as an attacking force this season and were one of the dullest teams to watch.
Funny thing is, and it was a foul, but if Grugan had of had 2 or 3 other players with him slapping at McManus all at the same time, McManus would have been done for over carrying.
Criminal defensive set up, man to man marking with armagh players following their man on walkabout.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 04, 2023, 04:11:11 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there were crazier scenes with the Dub supporters in a game against Tyrone in the mid 80s.
Derry as well, pitch invasion and slaps
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Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 04, 2023, 04:11:11 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there were crazier scenes with the Dub supporters in a game against Tyrone in the mid 80s.
Derry as well, pitch invasion and slaps
Of course there was worse, but there were no mobile phones and gobshites posting their idiocy on Instagram and the like.
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Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 04, 2023, 04:11:11 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there were crazier scenes with the Dub supporters in a game against Tyrone in the mid 80s.
Derry as well, pitch invasion and slaps
Of course there was worse, but there were no mobile phones and gobshites posting their idiocy on Instagram and the like.
While on the other hand people in general these days are a bit more polished
Quote from: Main Street on July 04, 2023, 03:50:04 PM
Not wishing to stick the boot in out of glee but the defensive set up for that last play was píss poor. Armagh went man to man, Monaghan players then moved to locate themselves away from the space between the 21 and 45, even players took their willing dedicated marker towards both sidelines. Once the ball got moving, then McCarron takes his marker out of harm's way. There was so much space opened up between the 45 and 20m lines. McManus received the ball, (the clutch legend) could spin around his lone marker using the ring road bus lane. To top it all, Beggan was alone in an acre of space on the 20m.
https://youtu.be/tMVHhGj_Oh8?t=485 (https://youtu.be/tMVHhGj_Oh8?t=485)
It was dreadful defensively
Why not foul in the corner if we were going to foul.
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Quote from: Main Street on July 04, 2023, 03:50:04 PM
Not wishing to stick the boot in out of glee but the defensive set up for that last play was píss poor. Armagh went man to man, Monaghan players then moved to locate themselves away from the space between the 21 and 45, even players took their willing dedicated marker towards both sidelines. Once the ball got moving, then McCarron takes his marker out of harm's way. There was so much space opened up between the 45 and 20m lines. McManus received the ball, (the clutch legend) could spin around his lone marker using the ring road bus lane. To top it all, Beggan was alone in an acre of space on the 20m.
https://youtu.be/tMVHhGj_Oh8?t=485 (https://youtu.be/tMVHhGj_Oh8?t=485)
It was dreadful defensively
Why not foul in the corner if we were going to foul.
I'd say Armagh had no plan for this eventual last play, whereas Monaghan had their move all worked out, just look at McCarron who deftly takes his marker away so McManus can turn into space.
The end result, everybodys talking about the legend that is McManus, meanwhile Rian's marvelous score (of the game) gets relegated to a statistic.
Bottom line is Armagh's fear of losing this year has been greater than their composure to win. Should have won Ulster, should have beaten Monaghan. Can learn from these last two years though and are next in line for an Ulster title.
Quote from: restorepride on July 04, 2023, 10:59:56 PM
Bottom line is Armagh's fear of losing this year has been greater than their composure to win. Should have won Ulster, should have beaten Monaghan. Can learn from these last two years though and are next in line for an Ulster title.
Are they really?
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Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 04, 2023, 04:11:11 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there were crazier scenes with the Dub supporters in a game against Tyrone in the mid 80s.
Derry as well, pitch invasion and slaps
Of course there was worse, but there were no mobile phones and gobshites posting their idiocy on Instagram and the like.
While on the other hand people in general these days are a bit more polished
I think the point is to stop pearl clutching. there have always been slaps at games. Infrequent but we all remember them. Talk of seating the Hill over this is madness.
Shouldn't have happened but lets not lose the run here.
I was at a munster final in 1974, and there was a fracas on the hill, and while iI didn't see it myself i was told at least one person produced a knife.
The crowd scattered to the 4 winds but it was all over in a couple of minutes or less.
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 05, 2023, 11:49:14 AM
I was at a munster final in 1974, and there was a fracas on the hill, and while iI didn't see it myself i was told at least one person produced a knife.
The crowd scattered to the 4 winds but it was all over in a couple of minutes or less.
Ah lads.
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Quote from: Derryman forever on July 05, 2023, 11:49:14 AM
I was at a munster final in 1974, and there was a fracas on the hill, and while iI didn't see it myself i was told at least one person produced a knife.
The crowd scattered to the 4 winds but it was all over in a couple of minutes or less.
Ah lads.
You don't believe me?
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Quote from: restorepride on July 04, 2023, 10:59:56 PM
Bottom line is Armagh's fear of losing this year has been greater than their composure to win. Should have won Ulster, should have beaten Monaghan. Can learn from these last two years though and are next in line for an Ulster title.
Are they really?
I honestly believe so. They really aren't far away.
Far worse happens on the streets these days. I wouldn't be worried since there were no serious injuries and it's not a regular occurrence.
The statement from Croke Park HQ at closing Hill 16 is absurd. What's the agenda with these guys, "behave or we'll take your precious terraces away" . Just like they took away cash at gates and brought in a paywall app not on TV.
Seems like they're just thinking we can get more money by putting seats instead of the terrace? Honestly the obsession with money making now in GAA at the expense of fans is reaching new levels.
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Quote from: Derryman forever on July 05, 2023, 11:49:14 AM
I was at a munster final in 1974, and there was a fracas on the hill, and while iI didn't see it myself i was told at least one person produced a knife.
The crowd scattered to the 4 winds but it was all over in a couple of minutes or less.
Ah lads.
Stuff like that happened all the time - i definitely recall a story in primary school to be careful of students from a school we were playing as there was knifeplay in or around Croker previously. Derry and Dublin had a mental dingdong in the 80's with bottles flying.
It's rare but it's not new
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Quote from: Derryman forever on July 05, 2023, 11:49:14 AM
I was at a munster final in 1974, and there was a fracas on the hill, and while iI didn't see it myself i was told at least one person produced a knife.
The crowd scattered to the 4 winds but it was all over in a couple of minutes or less.
Ah lads.
Stuff like that happened all the time - i definitely recall a story in primary school to be careful of students from a school we were playing as there was knifeplay in or around Croker previously. Derry and Dublin had a mental dingdong in the 80's with bottles flying.
It's rare but it's not new
This shouldn't have happened...What the hell was Derry doing in Croker in the 1980s...
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Quote from: giveballaghback on July 05, 2023, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 05, 2023, 11:49:14 AM
I was at a munster final in 1974, and there was a fracas on the hill, and while iI didn't see it myself i was told at least one person produced a knife.
The crowd scattered to the 4 winds but it was all over in a couple of minutes or less.
Ah lads.
Stuff like that happened all the time - i definitely recall a story in primary school to be careful of students from a school we were playing as there was knifeplay in or around Croker previously. Derry and Dublin had a mental dingdong in the 80's with bottles flying.
It's rare but it's not new
This shouldn't have happened...What the hell was Derry doing in Croker in the 1980s...
Sounds plausible. The Dublin fans were most likely there to support Meath v Derry in 1987. Definitely sounds like it could be true.
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Quote from: giveballaghback on July 05, 2023, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 05, 2023, 11:49:14 AM
I was at a munster final in 1974, and there was a fracas on the hill, and while iI didn't see it myself i was told at least one person produced a knife.
The crowd scattered to the 4 winds but it was all over in a couple of minutes or less.
Ah lads.
Stuff like that happened all the time - i definitely recall a story in primary school to be careful of students from a school we were playing as there was knifeplay in or around Croker previously. Derry and Dublin had a mental dingdong in the 80's with bottles flying.
It's rare but it's not new
This shouldn't have happened...What the hell was Derry doing in Croker in the 1980s...
Sounds plausible. The Dublin fans were most likely there to support Meath v Derry in 1987. Definitely sounds like it could be true.
Nobody said it was in CP
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 05, 2023, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 05, 2023, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 05, 2023, 11:49:14 AM
I was at a munster final in 1974, and there was a fracas on the hill, and while iI didn't see it myself i was told at least one person produced a knife.
The crowd scattered to the 4 winds but it was all over in a couple of minutes or less.
Ah lads.
Stuff like that happened all the time - i definitely recall a story in primary school to be careful of students from a school we were playing as there was knifeplay in or around Croker previously. Derry and Dublin had a mental dingdong in the 80's with bottles flying.
It's rare but it's not new
This shouldn't have happened...What the hell was Derry doing in Croker in the 1980s...
70's and Kerry. Brainfog
As an Armagh fan there is an embarassing buckfast brigade that show up in the latter stages of Championship. Other counties have this element also (maybe beer though). I'm not sure what started the row on Saturday but it did look a two way street. A friend from the south pointed out to me the closeness of Armagh and Monaghan and the fact that cross border socialising, parishes etc may have meant the row was a continuation. I'm not sure if this is true but seems plausible.
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Quote from: restorepride on July 04, 2023, 10:59:56 PM
Bottom line is Armagh's fear of losing this year has been greater than their composure to win. Should have won Ulster, should have beaten Monaghan. Can learn from these last two years though and are next in line for an Ulster title.
Are they really?
I honestly believe so. They really aren't far away.
Don't agree. They are miles off. I don't get this narrative about Armagh! Monaghan should have wrapped up the QF in normal time given the amount of chances they missed.
On what basis is the Armagh forward line so highly rated?
Overall, Armagh had a poor year.
Stole draw with Mayo, got very very lucky with 2 soft frees
Threw lead away vs Galway
Missed bagful vs Roscommon
Woeful v Tyrone
Parked the bus v Kerry, but could have won
Very very lucky vs Monaghan with Beggan mistake
Stumbled over line vs Donegal
Played 3 p1ss poor teams to make Ulster final, and threw away vs Derry
Lucky vs Westmeath
Woeful vs Tyrone
Lucky-ish vs Galway
Threw away vs Monaghan
Quote from: naka on July 04, 2023, 07:24:10 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 04, 2023, 03:50:04 PM
Not wishing to stick the boot in out of glee but the defensive set up for that last play was píss poor. Armagh went man to man, Monaghan players then moved to locate themselves away from the space between the 21 and 45, even players took their willing dedicated marker towards both sidelines. Once the ball got moving, then McCarron takes his marker out of harm's way. There was so much space opened up between the 45 and 20m lines. McManus received the ball, (the clutch legend) could spin around his lone marker using the ring road bus lane. To top it all, Beggan was alone in an acre of space on the 20m.
https://youtu.be/tMVHhGj_Oh8?t=485 (https://youtu.be/tMVHhGj_Oh8?t=485)
It was dreadful defensively
Why not foul in the corner if we were going to foul.
that was brian dead from Armagh to allow Monaghan up the field easy like that
Who have Monaghan beaten to get to the AI semi final Clare in group stage Kildare & Armagh on pens ::) they've beaten no one to get there
Quote from: badjawbadteast on July 07, 2023, 09:16:51 AM
Who have Monaghan beaten to get to the AI semi final Clare in group stage Kildare & Armagh on pens ::) they've beaten no one to get there
They can only beat what is in front of them but will get shown up next week for the average team that they are.
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 07, 2023, 09:24:33 AM
Quote from: badjawbadteast on July 07, 2023, 09:16:51 AM
Who have Monaghan beaten to get to the AI semi final Clare in group stage Kildare & Armagh on pens ::) they've beaten no one to get there
They can only beat what is in front of them but will get shown up next week for the average team that they are.
And the second great commandment is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself!
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 07, 2023, 09:24:33 AM
Quote from: badjawbadteast on July 07, 2023, 09:16:51 AM
Who have Monaghan beaten to get to the AI semi final Clare in group stage Kildare & Armagh on pens ::) they've beaten no one to get there
They can only beat what is in front of them but will get shown up next week for the average team that they are.
Get your popcorn
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 07, 2023, 09:24:33 AM
Quote from: badjawbadteast on July 07, 2023, 09:16:51 AM
Who have Monaghan beaten to get to the AI semi final Clare in group stage Kildare & Armagh on pens ::) they've beaten no one to get there
They can only beat what is in front of them but will get shown up next week for the average team that they are.
28 other teams would love to be as average as Monaghan right now
Quote from: God14 on July 04, 2023, 12:24:06 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 04, 2023, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 03, 2023, 08:53:03 PM
is hooliganism creeping to the gaa fouled by cocaine and the same hair cuts
Armagh need to sort this out and Monaghan as well. Man up and admit there is a problem and address it.
Those people involved need identified and suspensions issued. All ticketmaster purchases should require a club id or county id.
Bit OTT there, although I would agree Armagh are the common denominator in these instances. There is a well established booze brigade within their support every summer. Thankfully this is a localised issue for Armagh, and it requires a localised solution. Armagh board need to plan now for these types of behaviour next year.
No need to run to ticketmaster to police it.
Armagh fans must have been in disguise on the hill today
Quote from: JoG2 on July 07, 2023, 01:42:36 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 07, 2023, 09:24:33 AM
Quote from: badjawbadteast on July 07, 2023, 09:16:51 AM
Who have Monaghan beaten to get to the AI semi final Clare in group stage Kildare & Armagh on pens ::) they've beaten no one to get there
They can only beat what is in front of them but will get shown up next week for the average team that they are.
28 other teams would love to be as average as Monaghan right now
Monaghan got their first dose of reality today. A bigger dose of it on the way next week.