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May 20th   Clare v Donegal, Cusack Park, 2pm
May 27th   Derry vs Monaghan, Celtic Park, 7pm, GAAGO

June 4th   Monaghan v Clare, St Tiernach's Park, Clones, 2pm
June 4th   Donegal v Derry, MacCumhaill Park, Ballybofey, 4pm (RTÉ)

June 17/18   Derry v Clare, TBD
June 17/18   Monaghan v Donegal, TBD

Apparently there is a chance Paddy McBrearty will be back, at least in the squad, for the Donegal-Monaghan game. Although even if he is, it will be hard to see him being anywhere fit and sharp enough to have much of an impact. Might help us keep the score a little more respectable if we do scrape a quarter final play-off spot.

Mogan is a possibility too. Langan is gone for the season.

Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Apparently there is a chance Paddy McBrearty will be back, at least in the squad, for the Donegal-Monaghan game. Although even if he is, it will be hard to see him being anywhere fit and sharp enough to have much of an impact. Might help us keep the score a little more respectable if we do scrape a quarter final play-off spot.

Mogan is a possibility too. Langan is gone for the season.

Probably into that already. Need three teams to finish on 2 points and then scoring difference will be used to decide 3rd and 4th in the table. The likelihood of Clare beating one of Monaghan or Derry?

After his performance last Saturday, Derry fans won't be too impressed to learn that Noel Mooney is down to referee the fixture with Donegal in Ballybofey.

Quote from: Estimator on May 29, 2023, 02:40:22 PM
After his performance last Saturday, Derry fans won't be too impressed to learn that Noel Mooney is down to referee the fixture with Donegal in Ballybofey.

Was convinced I had read that wrong, how can it be that a Referee does the same Team twice in a year let along twice in a week with the panel they have, don't think you'd even get that at club level

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Quote from: Estimator on May 29, 2023, 02:40:22 PM
After his performance last Saturday, Derry fans won't be too impressed to learn that Noel Mooney is down to referee the fixture with Donegal in Ballybofey.

Was convinced I had read that wrong, how can it be that a Referee does the same Team twice in a year let along twice in a week with the panel they have, don't think you'd even get that at club level

Referee is apparently changed to Brendan Cawley

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Quote from: Estimator on May 29, 2023, 02:40:22 PM
After his performance last Saturday, Derry fans won't be too impressed to learn that Noel Mooney is down to referee the fixture with Donegal in Ballybofey.

Was convinced I had read that wrong, how can it be that a Referee does the same Team twice in a year let along twice in a week with the panel they have, don't think you'd even get that at club level

Referee is apparently changed to Brendan Cawley

A ref swap with the Mayo v Louth match. Noel Mooney now the ref when it was orginally Brendan Cawley

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Quote from: Brendan on May 29, 2023, 03:26:08 PM

Quote from: Estimator on May 29, 2023, 02:40:22 PM
After his performance last Saturday, Derry fans won't be too impressed to learn that Noel Mooney is down to referee the fixture with Donegal in Ballybofey.

Was convinced I had read that wrong, how can it be that a Referee does the same Team twice in a year let along twice in a week with the panel they have, don't think you'd even get that at club level

Referee is apparently changed to Brendan Cawley

That's a real pity because, if it had been a poor game, I was hoping to play "Which way will he give the free this time?" and "Was that close enough to give a point?" to keep me entertained.

Could be a very tricky fixture for Derry in Ballybofey, Donegal are always a horrible team to play against, plus they have got bugger all to lose in this one as well. A win away in Clare is solid form.

Given Derry's form over the last two games, I think this will be a really difficult game.
We need to improve on the performances. If we lose this game, we could be looking at 3rd place instead of top.
If Donegal win, they'd be in pole position to top the group with Derry and Monaghan fighting for 2nd place.
I can't see Clare beating either Derry or Monaghan, but who knows - the group is wide open given the draw last weekend.

Surely Donegal aren't going to give Derry much trouble. Although I would have said the same about Westmeath and us!

Considering Donegal were considered as 4th place material before the Clare match, relegated and beaten by Down, it's interesting to see them talked up now.

I think you are seeing a drop off in Derry due to the absence of Gallagher. Both Donegal and Derry now have caretaker managers and the uncertainty can't be good for either team. That game will not be one for the purist and I'd predict a horrible spectacle and the fact that it is in Ballybofey there won't be much in it. If Derry get out with any sort of victory they would sign up for that now.

Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2023, 12:15:41 PM
I think you are seeing a drop off in Derry due to the absence of Gallagher. Both Donegal and Derry now have caretaker managers and the uncertainty can't be good for either team. That game will not be one for the purist and I'd predict a horrible spectacle and the fact that it is in Ballybofey there won't be much in it. If Derry get out with any sort of victory they would sign up for that now.

Yeah that's my take too.
Earlier in the year I would have had us in with a real chance of an AI. Now, it wouldn't surprise me if we finished 3rd in the group and got knocked out in the QF.
The loss of Gallagher is huge for this team in terms of the intensity he drew out of the players. That has definitely been missing the last 2 games.

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Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2023, 12:15:41 PM
I think you are seeing a drop off in Derry due to the absence of Gallagher. Both Donegal and Derry now have caretaker managers and the uncertainty can't be good for either team. That game will not be one for the purist and I'd predict a horrible spectacle and the fact that it is in Ballybofey there won't be much in it. If Derry get out with any sort of victory they would sign up for that now.

Yeah that's my take too.
Earlier in the year I would have had us in with a real chance of an AI. Now, it wouldn't surprise me if we finished 3rd in the group and got knocked out in the QF.
The loss of Gallagher is huge for this team in terms of the intensity he drew out of the players. That has definitely been missing the last 2 games.

Gallagher prepared the team for the Armagh - i appreciate he wasn't at the game but it was always going to be a tight game. If Brendan Rogers had of fisted the point over the bar near the end we'd probably have won by 3 points and everyone would say it was a great performance. Levels definitely dipped for the Monaghan game, who were excellent on the day, had 4 weeks to prepare and played us in their last game. We would have found that game tough under RG too. Every provincial finalist underperformed in the 1st round of group games.

I'm still expecting us to beat Donegal but probably not as hopeful of a long run in the AI as i was pre RG scandal but we'll see. The last day out, of our key players only McGuigan has performed near the level we have become accustomed to so I am still expecting an improvement in the next 2 group games.

I see Vinney Corey isn't happy with the scheduling as it gives Clare an advantage this week (2 week rest). He wasn't too bothered about it last week.

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Quote from: tbrick18 on May 31, 2023, 02:34:07 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2023, 12:15:41 PM
I think you are seeing a drop off in Derry due to the absence of Gallagher. Both Donegal and Derry now have caretaker managers and the uncertainty can't be good for either team. That game will not be one for the purist and I'd predict a horrible spectacle and the fact that it is in Ballybofey there won't be much in it. If Derry get out with any sort of victory they would sign up for that now.

Yeah that's my take too.
Earlier in the year I would have had us in with a real chance of an AI. Now, it wouldn't surprise me if we finished 3rd in the group and got knocked out in the QF.
The loss of Gallagher is huge for this team in terms of the intensity he drew out of the players. That has definitely been missing the last 2 games.

Gallagher prepared the team for the Armagh - i appreciate he wasn't at the game but it was always going to be a tight game. If Brendan Rogers had of fisted the point over the bar near the end we'd probably have won by 3 points and everyone would say it was a great performance. Levels definitely dipped for the Monaghan game, who were excellent on the day, had 4 weeks to prepare and played us in their last game. We would have found that game tough under RG too. Every provincial finalist underperformed in the 1st round of group games.

I'm still expecting us to beat Donegal but probably not as hopeful of a long run in the AI as i was pre RG scandal but we'll see. The last day out, of our key players only McGuigan has performed near the level we have become accustomed to so I am still expecting an improvement in the next 2 group games.

I see Vinney Corey isn't happy with the scheduling as it gives Clare an advantage this week (2 week rest). He wasn't too bothered about it last week.

To be fair if done right every team woud be getting at least two weeks between every game.

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Quote from: tbrick18 on May 31, 2023, 02:34:07 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2023, 12:15:41 PM
I think you are seeing a drop off in Derry due to the absence of Gallagher. Both Donegal and Derry now have caretaker managers and the uncertainty can't be good for either team. That game will not be one for the purist and I'd predict a horrible spectacle and the fact that it is in Ballybofey there won't be much in it. If Derry get out with any sort of victory they would sign up for that now.

Yeah that's my take too.
Earlier in the year I would have had us in with a real chance of an AI. Now, it wouldn't surprise me if we finished 3rd in the group and got knocked out in the QF.
The loss of Gallagher is huge for this team in terms of the intensity he drew out of the players. That has definitely been missing the last 2 games.

Gallagher prepared the team for the Armagh - i appreciate he wasn't at the game but it was always going to be a tight game. If Brendan Rogers had of fisted the point over the bar near the end we'd probably have won by 3 points and everyone would say it was a great performance. Levels definitely dipped for the Monaghan game, who were excellent on the day, had 4 weeks to prepare and played us in their last game. We would have found that game tough under RG too. Every provincial finalist underperformed in the 1st round of group games.

I'm still expecting us to beat Donegal but probably not as hopeful of a long run in the AI as i was pre RG scandal but we'll see. The last day out, of our key players only McGuigan has performed near the level we have become accustomed to so I am still expecting an improvement in the next 2 group games.

I see Vinney Corey isn't happy with the scheduling as it gives Clare an advantage this week (2 week rest). He wasn't too bothered about it last week.

To be fair if done right every team woud be getting at least two weeks between every game.

If done right every team would get one weeks rest and that would be fair. If there was 2 weeks rest between all games then the club season would end up very short.

Quote from: Mario on May 31, 2023, 03:09:45 PM

Quote from: tbrick18 on May 31, 2023, 02:34:07 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2023, 12:15:41 PM
I think you are seeing a drop off in Derry due to the absence of Gallagher. Both Donegal and Derry now have caretaker managers and the uncertainty can't be good for either team. That game will not be one for the purist and I'd predict a horrible spectacle and the fact that it is in Ballybofey there won't be much in it. If Derry get out with any sort of victory they would sign up for that now.

Yeah that's my take too.
Earlier in the year I would have had us in with a real chance of an AI. Now, it wouldn't surprise me if we finished 3rd in the group and got knocked out in the QF.
The loss of Gallagher is huge for this team in terms of the intensity he drew out of the players. That has definitely been missing the last 2 games.

Gallagher prepared the team for the Armagh - i appreciate he wasn't at the game but it was always going to be a tight game. If Brendan Rogers had of fisted the point over the bar near the end we'd probably have won by 3 points and everyone would say it was a great performance. Levels definitely dipped for the Monaghan game, who were excellent on the day, had 4 weeks to prepare and played us in their last game. We would have found that game tough under RG too. Every provincial finalist underperformed in the 1st round of group games.

I'm still expecting us to beat Donegal but probably not as hopeful of a long run in the AI as i was pre RG scandal but we'll see. The last day out, of our key players only McGuigan has performed near the level we have become accustomed to so I am still expecting an improvement in the next 2 group games.

I see Vinney Corey isn't happy with the scheduling as it gives Clare an advantage this week (2 week rest). He wasn't too bothered about it last week.

The loss of Gallagher is massive for Derry. The media won't say it too loud as he is now deemed persona non grata but his imprint was all over that team as he was the coach, manager, tactician and motivator all in one. Add in the terms of his departure with the claims hanging over him with players and their family reading the media stories about it ever since then and it can't be easy for the Derry players.

That is a large part of why I think we will continue to see such a drop off in their performance levels. I don't think they were ever going to win an All Ireland anyway but now I'd be surprised if they get past the quarter finals.

As for Corey complaining about the 2 week gap, well some of these county managers just need a chip on their shoulder about something. These are highly conditioned athletes so I don't see how they need more than a week to recover between matches. The same managers would likely be running weekend training camps or playing full 70 minute training matches if they didn't have a match anyway. Too few games and they are complaining and too many games and they are complaining also.     

Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2023, 03:43:29 PM

Quote from: Mario on May 31, 2023, 03:09:45 PM

Quote from: tbrick18 on May 31, 2023, 02:34:07 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2023, 12:15:41 PM
I think you are seeing a drop off in Derry due to the absence of Gallagher. Both Donegal and Derry now have caretaker managers and the uncertainty can't be good for either team. That game will not be one for the purist and I'd predict a horrible spectacle and the fact that it is in Ballybofey there won't be much in it. If Derry get out with any sort of victory they would sign up for that now.

Yeah that's my take too.
Earlier in the year I would have had us in with a real chance of an AI. Now, it wouldn't surprise me if we finished 3rd in the group and got knocked out in the QF.
The loss of Gallagher is huge for this team in terms of the intensity he drew out of the players. That has definitely been missing the last 2 games.

Gallagher prepared the team for the Armagh - i appreciate he wasn't at the game but it was always going to be a tight game. If Brendan Rogers had of fisted the point over the bar near the end we'd probably have won by 3 points and everyone would say it was a great performance. Levels definitely dipped for the Monaghan game, who were excellent on the day, had 4 weeks to prepare and played us in their last game. We would have found that game tough under RG too. Every provincial finalist underperformed in the 1st round of group games.

I'm still expecting us to beat Donegal but probably not as hopeful of a long run in the AI as i was pre RG scandal but we'll see. The last day out, of our key players only McGuigan has performed near the level we have become accustomed to so I am still expecting an improvement in the next 2 group games.

I see Vinney Corey isn't happy with the scheduling as it gives Clare an advantage this week (2 week rest). He wasn't too bothered about it last week.

The loss of Gallagher is massive for Derry. The media won't say it too loud as he is now deemed persona non grata but his imprint was all over that team as he was the coach, manager, tactician and motivator all in one. Add in the terms of his departure with the claims hanging over him with players and their family reading the media stories about it ever since then and it can't be easy for the Derry players.

That is a large part of why I think we will continue to see such a drop off in their performance levels. I don't think they were ever going to win an All Ireland anyway but now I'd be surprised if they get past the quarter finals.

As for Corey complaining about the 2 week gap, well some of these county managers just need a chip on their shoulder about something. These are highly conditioned athletes so I don't see how they need more than a week to recover between matches. The same managers would likely be running weekend training camps or playing full 70 minute training matches if they didn't have a match anyway. Too few games and they are complaining and too many games and they are complaining also.   

High intensity championship matches takes a lot out of teams, can totally understand Corey's complaint now going up against team with a two week break.

Will be interesting to see how Monaghan, Louth, Armagh, Cork, Dublin, Roscommon, Westmeath and Derry will fare this weekend and also have to take into account that's its forecast to be very warm this weekend so any sore and tired limbs will be tested.

Only returnee for Donegal for this game is Stephen McMenamin. Mogan is now gone for the season along with Langan and the other lads who've been out all year.

Part of the reason we beat Clare was the kick out performance of Patton. Clare couldn't cope in the second half between the kick outs and Jason McGee coming on (hope he's fit to start!). But Derry shut Patton down completely last year, and closed that two point gap at the end of normal time by pressing the short kick out (Armagh took note and did the same a few weeks later).

We're also relying on Thompson and Gallen and the like to shoot the lights out again. I don't see it happening. And we've no plan B to come off the bench.

Derry by eight.

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Quote from: tbrick18 on May 31, 2023, 02:34:07 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2023, 12:15:41 PM
I think you are seeing a drop off in Derry due to the absence of Gallagher. Both Donegal and Derry now have caretaker managers and the uncertainty can't be good for either team. That game will not be one for the purist and I'd predict a horrible spectacle and the fact that it is in Ballybofey there won't be much in it. If Derry get out with any sort of victory they would sign up for that now.

Yeah that's my take too.
Earlier in the year I would have had us in with a real chance of an AI. Now, it wouldn't surprise me if we finished 3rd in the group and got knocked out in the QF.
The loss of Gallagher is huge for this team in terms of the intensity he drew out of the players. That has definitely been missing the last 2 games.

Gallagher prepared the team for the Armagh - i appreciate he wasn't at the game but it was always going to be a tight game. If Brendan Rogers had of fisted the point over the bar near the end we'd probably have won by 3 points and everyone would say it was a great performance. Levels definitely dipped for the Monaghan game, who were excellent on the day, had 4 weeks to prepare and played us in their last game. We would have found that game tough under RG too. Every provincial finalist underperformed in the 1st round of group games.

I'm still expecting us to beat Donegal but probably not as hopeful of a long run in the AI as i was pre RG scandal but we'll see. The last day out, of our key players only McGuigan has performed near the level we have become accustomed to so I am still expecting an improvement in the next 2 group games.

I see Vinney Corey isn't happy with the scheduling as it gives Clare an advantage this week (2 week rest). He wasn't too bothered about it last week.

The loss of Gallagher is massive for Derry. The media won't say it too loud as he is now deemed persona non grata but his imprint was all over that team as he was the coach, manager, tactician and motivator all in one. Add in the terms of his departure with the claims hanging over him with players and their family reading the media stories about it ever since then and it can't be easy for the Derry players.

That is a large part of why I think we will continue to see such a drop off in their performance levels. I don't think they were ever going to win an All Ireland anyway but now I'd be surprised if they get past the quarter finals.

As for Corey complaining about the 2 week gap, well some of these county managers just need a chip on their shoulder about something. These are highly conditioned athletes so I don't see how they need more than a week to recover between matches. The same managers would likely be running weekend training camps or playing full 70 minute training matches if they didn't have a match anyway. Too few games and they are complaining and too many games and they are complaining also.   

Yeah, week on week games are the way to go. Cuts down on training:game ratio.  That's good in my opinion.

I'd like to think players feel the same also. Bit of recovery the first evening, light session and tactical the next night.

Players want games.

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Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2023, 12:15:41 PM
I think you are seeing a drop off in Derry due to the absence of Gallagher. Both Donegal and Derry now have caretaker managers and the uncertainty can't be good for either team. That game will not be one for the purist and I'd predict a horrible spectacle and the fact that it is in Ballybofey there won't be much in it. If Derry get out with any sort of victory they would sign up for that now.

Yeah that's my take too.
Earlier in the year I would have had us in with a real chance of an AI. Now, it wouldn't surprise me if we finished 3rd in the group and got knocked out in the QF.
The loss of Gallagher is huge for this team in terms of the intensity he drew out of the players. That has definitely been missing the last 2 games.

Gallagher prepared the team for the Armagh - i appreciate he wasn't at the game but it was always going to be a tight game. If Brendan Rogers had of fisted the point over the bar near the end we'd probably have won by 3 points and everyone would say it was a great performance. Levels definitely dipped for the Monaghan game, who were excellent on the day, had 4 weeks to prepare and played us in their last game. We would have found that game tough under RG too. Every provincial finalist underperformed in the 1st round of group games.

I'm still expecting us to beat Donegal but probably not as hopeful of a long run in the AI as i was pre RG scandal but we'll see. The last day out, of our key players only McGuigan has performed near the level we have become accustomed to so I am still expecting an improvement in the next 2 group games.

I see Vinney Corey isn't happy with the scheduling as it gives Clare an advantage this week (2 week rest). He wasn't too bothered about it last week.

The loss of Gallagher is massive for Derry. The media won't say it too loud as he is now deemed persona non grata but his imprint was all over that team as he was the coach, manager, tactician and motivator all in one. Add in the terms of his departure with the claims hanging over him with players and their family reading the media stories about it ever since then and it can't be easy for the Derry players.

That is a large part of why I think we will continue to see such a drop off in their performance levels. I don't think they were ever going to win an All Ireland anyway but now I'd be surprised if they get past the quarter finals.

As for Corey complaining about the 2 week gap, well some of these county managers just need a chip on their shoulder about something. These are highly conditioned athletes so I don't see how they need more than a week to recover between matches. The same managers would likely be running weekend training camps or playing full 70 minute training matches if they didn't have a match anyway. Too few games and they are complaining and too many games and they are complaining also.   

Yeah, week on week games are the way to go. Cuts down on training:game ratio.  That's good in my opinion.

I'd like to think players feel the same also. Bit of recovery the first evening, light session and tactical the next night.

Players want games.

Nobody wants to be injured but injuries happen and often to key players. The weekly game proposal would punish lighter panels. Roscommon can't have as much panel depth as Galway, for example.

Derry name the same team that started against Monaghan.
Only change is on the bench: N O'Donnell was a late replacement for S Downey last week, but that has been reversed this week.
Would have liked to see Murray start v Donegal. From his v limited game time in the C'ship, he has actually scored a couple of points from play, which can't be said about some of the regular forwards.

Quote from: Estimator on June 02, 2023, 10:03:02 AM
Derry name the same team that started against Monaghan.
Only change is on the bench: N O'Donnell was a late replacement for S Downey last week, but that has been reversed this week.
Would have liked to see Murray start v Donegal. From his v limited game time in the C'ship, he has actually scored a couple of points from play, which can't be said about some of the regular forwards.

Yeah Derry forwards really need to step up a bit more.
They seem to be playing with a lack of confidence, perhaps RG was able to bring the best out of them.

I'm not sure about starting Murray/McFaul. Murray in particular has been very effective off the bench and if we start him, we lose that impact capability.
McFaul, was ok against Monaghan. scored a great point early in the game and then, like most others, was largely anonymous for the rest of the game.  He might be more effective off the bench too.

I'm going to give a tentative nod to Derry here as McGuigan is in the form of his life and I hope we can't play as badly as we did against Monaghan.
Derry by 4 or 5.

McBrearty back on the bench?

I'm doubtful...

Assuming he's fit, I'd expect Stephen McMenamin to start.

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Thats a decent looking Donegal line up
All of a sudden this game isnt the mismatch it was perceived to be.

Quote from: God14 on June 02, 2023, 03:32:52 PM
Thats a decent looking Donegal line up
All of a sudden this game isnt the mismatch it was perceived to be.

Compared to Donegal teams of the last 10 years, its not a great Donegal team on paper. This game isn't a mismatch due to Derry's current form.

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Quote from: God14 on June 02, 2023, 03:32:52 PM
Thats a decent looking Donegal line up
All of a sudden this game isnt the mismatch it was perceived to be.

Compared to Donegal teams of the last 10 years, its not a great Donegal team on paper. This game isn't a mismatch due to Derry's current form.

There's plenty of height in the middle for Patton to aim his kick outs at
There would appear to be a bit more pace & mobility, than they had in last years Ulster final too
They could actually match up quite well for Derry. Looking forward to this one.

Donegal is still the team that folded to a poor Down team over a month ago, win to Clare or not. Derry to win this but what's the point of having a panel when you play the, same team every game, even though I think 2/3 lads should be Dropped. You can't won't win anything without 3/4 good scoring forwards whick Kerry, Galway, and Dublin have. We good enough everywhere in the team

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Quote from: God14 on June 02, 2023, 03:32:52 PM
Thats a decent looking Donegal line up
All of a sudden this game isnt the mismatch it was perceived to be.

Compared to Donegal teams of the last 10 years, its not a great Donegal team on paper. This game isn't a mismatch due to Derry's current form.

Quality-wise, it's a pale shadow of those Donegal teams, and we've little to nothing on the bench to come on to swing it.

And if McBrearty didn't even make the bench two weeks ago, I can't see how he could be an option even for 20 minutes this time coming back from a severe hamstring injury.

Derry's current form is drawing with a division one side and winning the ulster title. Donegal's is one win in a tight enough game against a team Derry annihilated last year and defeat to a division three who then got well beat by a team Derry beat. Derry's form poles apart.

Quote from: sensini on June 04, 2023, 03:20:18 PM
A good chance for Monaghan to build up the scoring distance.

65 mins Monaghan 0-21 Clare 1-16

Clones.     Mon.1-23  Clare 1-18
According to the unbiased Northern Sound commentary, Clare put up quite a challenge, efficient return of scores to attacks and great accuracy with shots. Monaghan were wasteful, took a while to get their noses ahead and pull away in the last 15 mins.  motm Jack McC.

Quote from: imtommygunn on June 02, 2023, 08:39:51 PM
Derry's current form is drawing with a division one side and winning the ulster title. Donegal's is one win in a tight enough game against a team Derry annihilated last year and defeat to a division three who then got well beat by a team Derry beat. Derry's form poles apart.

Using this kind of logic to predict results has been proven infallible to be fair

FT Monaghan 1-23 Clare 1-18
With squad management being so important with these group games, seems like Monaghan gave the whole defence the day off today

Jokes aside, sounded like a very enjoyable open game in sweltering conditions. Couldn't make it so had to make do with listening to Northern Sound given that it's one of the only games not available to watch anywhere this weekend (and it could be the best game of the weekend)

Monaghan sounded especially flat in the 1st half. Clare were well up for it all game but especially early on and they came out of the blocks firing, seems like everything they shot in the first half, came off. We improved a good bit in the 2nd half but a goal against the run of play kept it neck and neck again. But down the final stretch we finished very well, scores coming from all over and the squad was used very well. The rotation is working well with Jack putting up a series of (what sounds like) very impressive points, after not starting the last day.

Quote from: Schkite on June 04, 2023, 03:48:30 PM
FT Monaghan 1-23 Clare 1-18
With squad management being so important with these group games, seems like Monaghan gave the whole defence the day off today

Jokes aside, sounded like a very enjoyable open game in sweltering conditions. Couldn't make it so had to make do with listening to Northern Sound given that it's one of the only games not available to watch anywhere this weekend (and it could be the best game of the weekend)

Monaghan sounded especially flat in the 1st half. Clare were well up for it all game but especially early on and they came out of the blocks firing, seems like everything they shot in the first half, came off. We improved a good bit in the 2nd half but a goal against the run of play kept it neck and neck again. But down the final stretch we finished very well, scores coming from all over and the squad was used very well. The rotation is working well with Jack putting up a series of (what sounds like) very impressive points, after not starting the last day.

For a good while in that game the unwelcome ghosts of Longford were lingering  :)  A turning point -  Mohan saved a goal bound shot on the line which had it gone in might well have put the game Clare's way

Quote from: Main Street on June 04, 2023, 03:54:09 PM

Quote from: Schkite on June 04, 2023, 03:48:30 PM
FT Monaghan 1-23 Clare 1-18
With squad management being so important with these group games, seems like Monaghan gave the whole defence the day off today

Jokes aside, sounded like a very enjoyable open game in sweltering conditions. Couldn't make it so had to make do with listening to Northern Sound given that it's one of the only games not available to watch anywhere this weekend (and it could be the best game of the weekend)

Monaghan sounded especially flat in the 1st half. Clare were well up for it all game but especially early on and they came out of the blocks firing, seems like everything they shot in the first half, came off. We improved a good bit in the 2nd half but a goal against the run of play kept it neck and neck again. But down the final stretch we finished very well, scores coming from all over and the squad was used very well. The rotation is working well with Jack putting up a series of (what sounds like) very impressive points, after not starting the last day.

For a good while in that game the unwelcome ghosts of Longford were lingering  :)  A turning point -  Mohan saved a goal bound shot on the line which had it gone in might well have put the game Clare's way

Aye it was a bit too close for comfort even when we were really clicking in attack, Clare were matching us score for score alot of the time. Couldn't relax a bit until McCarthy's goal.

Quote from: Schkite on June 04, 2023, 03:48:30 PM
FT Monaghan 1-23 Clare 1-18
With squad management being so important with these group games, seems like Monaghan gave the whole defence the day off today

Jokes aside, sounded like a very enjoyable open game in sweltering conditions. Couldn't make it so had to make do with listening to Northern Sound given that it's one of the only games not available to watch anywhere this weekend (and it could be the best game of the weekend)

Monaghan sounded especially flat in the 1st half. Clare were well up for it all game but especially early on and they came out of the blocks firing, seems like everything they shot in the first half, came off. We improved a good bit in the 2nd half but a goal against the run of play kept it neck and neck again. But down the final stretch we finished very well, scores coming from all over and the squad was used very well. The rotation is working well with Jack putting up a series of (what sounds like) very impressive points, after not starting the last day.

Clare are closer to the equator and this aspect needs to factor in future Monaghan planning.

Would be nice to get one or 2 frees Derry's side here Jesus!!

The white spray can is desperately needed in the game today to mark the free kick spot,  considering that most officials just don't give a fck how many steps are stolen.

I make that the 3rd perfectly good tackle the ref has given against us

Donegal have a chance here

Quote from: screenexile on June 04, 2023, 04:36:28 PM
I make that the 3rd perfectly good tackle the ref has given against us

dont know what 1 and 2 was that last free for donegal was a 100% foul... as was the one that derry have now got

I think we've defended brilliantly and struggled a bit early on up front.

Definitely having trouble with our own kickout and Pattons but he's one of the best operators about so not surprising.

I'm hoping our fitness will get us over the line but we've definitely been the better team in the first half but plenty to improve on!!

Quote from: straightred on June 04, 2023, 04:36:54 PM
Donegal have a chance here

They absolutely do, especially if the ref continues to make it a non contact game in the Derry half

Same ol' nordie paranoia.

Great to see McBrearty playing

Donegal have made some balls of the goal chances at either end. Letting Derry run straight through their defence, while having no conviction in their own efforts

And . . . Relax!!!

More like us Donegal no great shakes but I thought we were very good defending (bar Gallen) and going forward. Fitness shining through as well.

f**king ref... are you not supposed to take an advantage back to the spot of the foul???

It's been a far better game than the dung served up in Omagh last night.

Donegal better than expected and would beat tyrone and armagh. Interesting match next weekend vs monaghan

Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 04, 2023, 05:44:43 PM
Donegal better than expected and would beat tyrone and armagh. Interesting match next weekend vs monaghan

No!

Looks like this group comfortably served up the best football of the weekend

Gallen is a serious operator class he deserved MOTM.

That 2nd goal was a real killer, was still a tight enough game up to that. Donegal's defence just opened up like the red sea and left it too easy for Derry

I must look into getting Main Street on my ignore list

Quote from: DhoireTheas on June 04, 2023, 06:07:33 PM
I must look into getting Main Street on my ignore list

Seriously, you not enjoy the ramblings of a partitionist free stater??  ;D

Derry should won that alot handier, too many time they tried for goals when easy points just widened the gap. Some Derry forwards poor again. Give McKeigue little cover too, while 3 men dropped onto McGuigan quickly. Hope that goal at the end doesn't bollix up their scoring difference. Thought there were a few frees give. that weren't remotely near a free.

God imagine the time when a defender has to defend one on one!!

Gallen was fantastic.
Derry really improved from the last two games.
Mcloskey, cassidy, mcgrogan, mcfaul were so much better than previous games.
Heron played well too but could have had a goal.
Glass I felt played a bit within himself and that backpack to nobody was very unlike him. We were lucky got away wit it.
Lynch was excellent, really tried to force the game.
Rogers was excellent. One of the top footballers in the country.

We just need to run up a big score against clare now to finish top. Based on how they did against monaghan we could have a game o  our hands there too.

Donegal are greatly improved. If they get mcbrearty back fit and keep playing the way they did today, they are heading in the right direction.

Decent game. No dirt. I did think the ref favoured donegal in that they go their frees a lot easier, but maybe I'm biased.

Sean Cavanagh is a dose.

Quote from: screenexile on June 04, 2023, 05:49:03 PM
Gallen is a serious operator class he deserved MOTM.

Tremendous game between 2 good attacking sides. Derry could've scored 3 or 4 more goals and Donegal should've had another couple. Lots of great points taken also. Great to see football played like that with 2 teams going for it.

Right - Permutations. I reckon

- Clare definitely gone. Best they can hope for is to finish level with Donegal, but would lose out on head to head.
- The three other teams can all still finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the group.
- Derry or Monaghan will top the group if they win their last match by a bigger margin than the other.
- Donegal can still win the group, but would need to beat Monaghan and Clare to beat Derry.

Interesting couple of games ahead.

The first Derry goal looked a nice piece of work,  2 clinical passes onto players moving at speed or was it just poor defending?
I don't know if Donegal have improved, could be just flattering to deceive. We'll see what's what in a fortnights time.

Great performance by Derry. Needed one like that post RG. A bit annoyed at conceding the late goal given its going to come down to score difference but we've an easier task than monaghan next day against an eliminated Clare

I'd imagine Derry will beat Clare handily enough. As much as they came to Clones today with real purpose and put on a great performance, Clare are mathematically out of the championship now so the Derry game is a dead rubber for them. So I doubt they'll be half as up that game as they were today. Derry should be strong favourites to top the group

Derry could have won that game by a lot more - they messed about a lot. Gallen when interviewed said they should have won it - dunno what game he was looking at. I'd expect Derry to finish top.

Quote from: imtommygunn on June 04, 2023, 07:06:30 PM
Derry could have won that game by a lot more - they messed about a lot. Gallen when interviewed said they should have won it - dunno what game he was looking at. I'd expect Derry to finish top.

Yeah there was a crowd of us wondering the same thing!!

Ach I just think Gallen was a young lad trying to say the right things in an interview. He had a cracking game, and I suppose Donegal were in it for large period, but the better team won by bit to spare and should have won by more IMHO.

Can anyone confirm to me the rule about the advantage?? Ref gave advantage and Donegal advanced an extra 20-30 yards before the ref blew the whistle. Surely the free has to be taken back then?

Well that's what happened in the first half with Cassidys goal effort. Ref pulled it back for the free at the edge of the d. That was a soft one for us.

Quote from: screenexile on June 04, 2023, 07:29:42 PM
Can anyone confirm to me the rule about the advantage?? Ref gave advantage and Donegal advanced an extra 20-30 yards before the ref blew the whistle. Surely the free has to be taken back then?

Yes, brought back to the place of the original foul (when the refs hand went up) regardless if there's another foul in the intervening 5 secs in a closer / more advantagious position 

Not one free given for an overcarrying call in the Clare Monaghan match today, and 7 or 8 points scored from handy 20m frees. No wonder we had a high scoring game in Clones because tackling in all forms was banned.

Quote from: tbrick18 on June 04, 2023, 06:31:37 PM
Gallen was fantastic.
Derry really improved from the last two games.
Mcloskey, cassidy, mcgrogan, mcfaul were so much better than previous games.
Heron played well too but could have had a goal.
Glass I felt played a bit within himself and that backpack to nobody was very unlike him. We were lucky got away wit it.
Lynch was excellent, really tried to force the game.
Rogers was excellent. One of the top footballers in the country.

We just need to run up a big score against clare now to finish top. Based on how they did against monaghan we could have a game o  our hands there too.

Donegal are greatly improved. If they get mcbrearty back fit and keep playing the way they did today, they are heading in the right direction.

Decent game. No dirt. I did think the ref favoured donegal in that they go their frees a lot easier, but maybe I'm biased.

Sean Cavanagh is a dose.

Mmm ... Stephen McMenamin?  And Hugh McFadden trying to batter Conor Glass from the start, just couldn't get nearer enough to him as the game went on.  The lack of consistency in refereeing is shocking.  Compare some of the frees Donegal got today in the first half to the 'foul threshold' v Monaghan!  Big increase in scoring chances created by Doire which is refreshing and a relief!  Finally we can now get out of Ulster v An Clár.

Didn't expect us to get a result, but at least good to see a bit of pride and belief back in the team and you have to give O'Rourke credit there. Good to see Gallen finally get another chance to show what he can do after missing multiple campaigns since his debut through injury. We really need him to step up and be the focal point alongside McBrearty, especially with Brennan finding it so tough to make an impact. Defensive problems are still there, but that's not O'Rourke's fault. We've been vulnerable to runs through the centre for several seasons now and it will be up to whoever gets the job long term to sort it out and get us back on a par fitness and conditioning-wise. Hope they put in another decent showing against Monaghan and avoid the likes of Kerry in the PQF - don't need to end the season on a hiding!

Good win for Derry.  Nice to see the other forwards stepping up again. The ref was fairly frustrating. Few v soft ones, majority went in favour of Donegal, with the exception of the one on Paul Cassidy. Its the consistancy that would annoy you.

Aside from McKinless and Doherty every player from 5-15 got on the score sheet. 10 different scorers. Also good to see more subs being brought on for a bit more game time. Downey and Cassidy were limited in the time they got. But at least they got on the pitch. Something that may not have happened previously.

With nothing to play for I'm hoping that Clare are on the beach in a couple of weeks, and Derry can put up a decent score. 
I'd expect Monaghan to target the centre of the Donegal defence the way that we did, but with Gallen's superb perfromance and McBrearty starting the next day, they could give Monaghan their fill of it too.

All 3 teams could top the group and all three teams could end up in 3rd place.

Quote from: J70 on June 05, 2023, 12:47:33 AM
Didn't expect us to get a result, but at least good to see a bit of pride and belief back in the team and you have to give O'Rourke credit there. Good to see Gallen finally get another chance to show what he can do after missing multiple campaigns since his debut through injury. We really need him to step up and be the focal point alongside McBrearty, especially with Brennan finding it so tough to make an impact. Defensive problems are still there, but that's not O'Rourke's fault. We've been vulnerable to runs through the centre for several seasons now and it will be up to whoever gets the job long term to sort it out and get us back on a par fitness and conditioning-wise. Hope they put in another decent showing against Monaghan and avoid the likes of Kerry in the PQF - don't need to end the season on a hiding!

Do you think O'Rourke and Bradley will def not be re-appointed? Things seem to have improved under them so far and Donegal were much better than I expected yesterday.
Get McBrearty fit and with Gallen up top and a full panel to pick from next season, they'll trouble most teams.

Quote from: tbrick18 on June 05, 2023, 11:12:43 AM

Quote from: J70 on June 05, 2023, 12:47:33 AM
Didn't expect us to get a result, but at least good to see a bit of pride and belief back in the team and you have to give O'Rourke credit there. Good to see Gallen finally get another chance to show what he can do after missing multiple campaigns since his debut through injury. We really need him to step up and be the focal point alongside McBrearty, especially with Brennan finding it so tough to make an impact. Defensive problems are still there, but that's not O'Rourke's fault. We've been vulnerable to runs through the centre for several seasons now and it will be up to whoever gets the job long term to sort it out and get us back on a par fitness and conditioning-wise. Hope they put in another decent showing against Monaghan and avoid the likes of Kerry in the PQF - don't need to end the season on a hiding!

Do you think O'Rourke and Bradley will def not be re-appointed? Things seem to have improved under them so far and Donegal were much better than I expected yesterday.
Get McBrearty fit and with Gallen up top and a full panel to pick from next season, they'll trouble most teams.

I think if they can get a good tune out of the group in these (presumably :p) upcoming two games, they could be in with a good shout. I'm not there in the county though, so can't speak to what the general feeling is. Supposedly this independent review should be done at this point, so who knows what the fallout, if any, will be from that.

Quote from: Estimator on June 05, 2023, 09:47:28 AM
Good win for Derry.  Nice to see the other forwards stepping up again. The ref was fairly frustrating. Few v soft ones, majority went in favour of Donegal, with the exception of the one on Paul Cassidy. Its the consistancy that would annoy you.

Aside from McKinless and Doherty every player from 5-15 got on the score sheet. 10 different scorers. Also good to see more subs being brought on for a bit more game time. Downey and Cassidy were limited in the time they got. But at least they got on the pitch. Something that may not have happened previously.

With nothing to play for I'm hoping that Clare are on the beach in a couple of weeks, and Derry can put up a decent score. 
I'd expect Monaghan to target the centre of the Donegal defence the way that we did, but with Gallen's superb perfromance and McBrearty starting the next day, they could give Monaghan their fill of it too.

All 3 teams could top the group and all three teams could end up in 3rd place.

Yeah if we can rack up a big score against Clare and Donegal bring the fight to Monaghan, that should see us finish top.
Still probably leaves us with a very difficult QF, but at least it would be one game less.

Monaghan will devour Donegal  with a lot goals which means they will top the group on scoring difference .... hope i'm wrong

Quote from: Real Talk on June 06, 2023, 11:10:24 PM
Monaghan will devour Donegal  with a lot goals which means they will top the group on scoring difference .... hope i'm wrong

Doubt it that Monaghan will devour Donegal. Claire scored 19 times against them. Donegal will fancy their chances.

Derry I think will put Clare to the sword in no uncertain manner even though our record in Longford fairly poor. Monaghan / Donegal are always tight games, Donegal be pushing hard to finish 2nd. Can't see the scoring difference been greater than the Clare game. They were poles apart when they met in the league.

I think Monaghan can beat this Donegal team but there won't be much in it, Derry probably will win the points race. However when listening to the nr 1 GAA podcast, The GAA Social, this monday,  Thomas let it slip during an review of the state of Derry, when he exclaimed that Monaghan beat Derry.  Of course he was mistaken but still the perception was that considering the game, and the result gained away from home,  - Monaghan were the victors even though it was a draw.
So, in an event that both teams top the group on points, Monaghan should be the nr.1.

Quote from: Main Street on June 07, 2023, 10:59:39 PM
I think Monaghan can beat this Donegal team but there won't be much in it, Derry probably will win the points race. However when listening to the nr 1 GAA podcast, The GAA Social, this monday,  Thomas let it slip during an review of the state of Derry, when he exclaimed that Monaghan beat Derry.  Of course he was mistaken but still the perception was that considering the game, and the result gained away from home,  - Monaghan were the victors even though it was a draw.
So, in an event that oth teams top the group on points, Monaghan should be the nr.1.

What?

Quote from: Main Street on June 07, 2023, 10:59:39 PM
I think Monaghan can beat this Donegal team but there won't be much in it, Derry probably will win the points race. However when listening to the nr 1 GAA podcast, The GAA Social, this monday,  Thomas let it slip during an review of the state of Derry, when he exclaimed that Monaghan beat Derry.  Of course he was mistaken but still the perception was that considering the game, and the result gained away from home,  - Monaghan were the victors even though it was a draw.
So, in an event that both teams top the group on points, Monaghan should be the nr.1.

Jesus lad you are clutching at straws there.

Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 08, 2023, 07:36:06 AM

Quote from: Main Street on June 07, 2023, 10:59:39 PM
I think Monaghan can beat this Donegal team but there won't be much in it, Derry probably will win the points race. However when listening to the nr 1 GAA podcast, The GAA Social, this monday,  Thomas let it slip during an review of the state of Derry, when he exclaimed that Monaghan beat Derry.  Of course he was mistaken but still the perception was that considering the game, and the result gained away from home,  - Monaghan were the victors even though it was a draw.
So, in an event that both teams top the group on points, Monaghan should be the nr.1.

Jesus lad you are clutching at straws there.

Starting to sound like some Armagh posters who claim they didn't lose the Ulster Final.

Derry v Clare
Monaghan v Donegal

I'd expect Derry and Monaghan to both win, so score difference will dictate who tops the group.
On the face of it, Derry have the easier game but would need to win by a massive margin to guarantee anything. Remains to be seen if we can do that and as a long suffering Derry fan I always wait for us to implode. Some bad memories of games in Longford previously where we should have won.

Donegal could well put it up to Monaghan based on how they played against Derry. Could Donegal win? I think if they play out of their skins and Monaghan are not 100% they could.

Sooner we know the better still waiting to buy a Iron Maiden Ticket for Sat week if we don't have the extra game. Can organise nothing these days.

Quote from: tbrick18 on June 14, 2023, 10:30:22 AM
Derry v Clare
Monaghan v Donegal

I'd expect Derry and Monaghan to both win, so score difference will dictate who tops the group.
On the face of it, Derry have the easier game but would need to win by a massive margin to guarantee anything. Remains to be seen if we can do that and as a long suffering Derry fan I always wait for us to implode. Some bad memories of games in Longford previously where we should have won.

Donegal could well put it up to Monaghan based on how they played against Derry. Could Donegal win? I think if they play out of their skins and Monaghan are not 100% they could.

Will McBrearty be playing for Donegal? If so that changes the calculations

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 14, 2023, 07:17:38 PM
Sooner we know the better still waiting to buy a Iron Maiden Ticket for Sat week if we don't have the extra game. Can organise nothing these days.

Fear of the draw... I have a constant fear that quarter finals always near

Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 14, 2023, 10:01:36 PM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 14, 2023, 07:17:38 PM
Sooner we know the better still waiting to buy a Iron Maiden Ticket for Sat week if we don't have the extra game. Can organise nothing these days.

Fear of the draw... I have a constant fear that quarter finals always near

:)

Doire by 8.

Need be by more, I a gig to think of!

No changes in the Derry line up that was named to start against Donegal, although Heron did replace Loughlin before the game.
Only change is on the bench where Oisin McWilliams has replace Diarmuid Barker.  Just gives a few more options now.
Surprised to see Scullion still named as sub keeper. Had his wrist in a cast for the Donegal game.

CLARE: Stephen Ryan; Ronan Lanigan, Ciaran Russell, Manus Doherty; Alan Sweeney, Pearse Lillis, Cillian Rouine; Cathal O'Connor, Darragh Bohannon; Daniel Walsh, Emmet McMahon, Jamie Malone; Mark McInerney, Keelan Sexton, Pádraic Collins.

Subs: David Sexton, Micheal Garry, Aaron Griffin, Shane Griffin, Thomas Kelly, Tom McDonald, Brian McNamara, Ikem Ugweru, Darren O'Neill, Fergal Ginnane, Cillian McGroary



DERRY: Odhran Lynch; Christopher McKaigue, Eoghan McEvoy, Conor McCluskey; Conor Doherty, Gareth McKinless, Padraig McGrogan; Conor Glass, Brendan Rogers; Niall Toner, Paul Cassidy, Ethan Doherty; Ciaran McFaul, Shane McGuigan, Niall Loughlin.

Subs: Ryan Scullion, Declan Cassidy, Benny Heron, Shea Downey, Lachlan Murray, Ben McCarron, Paul McNeil, Padraig Cassidy, Conleth McGuckian, Mark Doherty, Oisin McWilliams


DONEGAL: Shaun Patton; Mark Curran, Brendan McCole, Caolan McColgan; Caolan Ward, Eoghan Ban Gallagher, Stephen McMenamin; Caolan McGonagle, Hugh McFadden; Daire Ó Baoill, Jamie Brennan, Ciaran Thompson; Patrick McBrearty, Oisin Gallen, Conor O Donnell.

Subs: Gavin Mulreaney, Brian O Donnell, Odhran Doherty, Jeaic Mc Kelvey, John Ross Molloy, Luke McGlynn, Johnny McGroddy, Joel Bradley Walsh, Dylan Dorrian, Rory O Donnell,Paul Brennan



MONAGHAN: Rory Beggan; Ryan O'Toole, Kieran Duffy, Ryan Wylie; Karl O Connell, Conor Boyle, Conor McCarthy; Karl Gallagher, Killian Lavelle; Stephen O'Hanlon, Michael Bannigan, Ryan McAnespie; Jack Mc Carron, Gary Mohan, Shane Carey.

Subs: Darren McDonnell, Kieran Hughes, Conor McManus, Sean Jones, Darren Hughes, Dessie Ward, Kevin Loughran, Fabian Beggan, Darragh McElearney, Francie Hughes, Colm Lennon

McBrearty starting certainly gives Donegal more bite up front, that has the makings of a really good game now I feel.

Oisin McWilliams back in the 26 for Derry is a positive. He was really good earlier in the year and gives us another good option off the bench. There won't be any surprise in terms of tactics or personnel for Derry I'd imagine. More of the same. Provided we don't become complacent we should be good enough to get the win, but can we win by enough to get top spot? Not sure.

Is Derry v Clare on tv anywhere?

Quote from: tbrick18 on June 16, 2023, 06:59:47 PM
McBrearty starting certainly gives Donegal more bite up front, that has the makings of a really good game now I feel.

Oisin McWilliams back in the 26 for Derry is a positive. He was really good earlier in the year and gives us another good option off the bench. There won't be any surprise in terms of tactics or personnel for Derry I'd imagine. More of the same. Provided we don't become complacent we should be good enough to get the win, but can we win by enough to get top spot? Not sure.

Is Derry v Clare on tv anywhere?

no not on tv.

Biggest news in the Donegal lineup is that McGee is out with injury. He's our strongest midfielder - we're going to struggle.

Quote from: StephenC on June 16, 2023, 08:04:02 PM
Biggest news in the Donegal lineup is that McGee is out with injury. He's our strongest midfielder - we're going to struggle.

Looked like a bad hamstring he got in the build up to Derry's 3rd goal. Hugh McFadden a big unit but wouldn't be a like for like replacement for McGee.

Where best spot for a drink, sthing to eat in Longford town, Longford Arms?

D Hughes starting for Monaghan, McBrearty not starting for Donegal

Monaghan 0-3 Donegal 0-3 after 8 mins.   0-5 each after 15 mins.  Donegal 7-5 in front the latest.

Clare in front in the other match 1-3 to 0-5 v Derry after 20 mins. 

Donegal 10-7 Monaghan

Deich in aghaidh a seart

Was Odhran Lynch minding his goal or wandering  when Clare scored the goal?

Half time scores

Monaghan 0-9 Donegal 0-13
Derry 0-9 Clare 1-6

It's the hope that kills ya! ;D

There HAS to be a serious backlash from Monaghan after that half.

Poor half from Derry. Some bad wides and not gave away a few handy scores, especially the goal.

Hurson has decided that neck high tackles are no longer bookable offences.

Quote from: J70 on June 17, 2023, 06:41:27 PM
It's the hope that kills ya! ;D

There HAS to be a serious backlash from Monaghan after that half.

The power may have shifted
(https://img.rasset.ie/001e4396-2560.jpg)

McBrearty and McManus have yet to be introduced. 

42 mins played Monaghan 0-10 Donegal 0-15
44 mins played Derry 0-12 Clare 1-6

 Another terrible ref

Derry easing to victory 1-14 to 1-7 ahead with 20 minutes to play.   Donegal 5 points in front will finish 2nd in the table if they hold on for the win.

Donegal leading by 5. This round is highly significant. Monaghan could finish 3rd and draw Kerry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8kPqAV_74M

Monaghan 0-14 Donegal 0-17.   Ten minutes to play.

Timely " injury" from Patton.

Donegal have been all over the place the last five.

They seem to have stabilised in the last 2 minutes. First score in 16  minutes and 4 in it now .

67 mins played Monaghan 0-14 Donegal 0-18
69 mins played Derry 1-18 Clare 1-11

Patton scores a free

Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2023, 07:34:52 PM
Patton scores a free

from a shocking decision. That could be the kick that decides it and it was never a free

Bad wide for Monaghan. It's all about momentum.

Results

Derry 1-19 Clare 1-13
Donegal 0-19 Monaghan 0-17

Derry top, Donegal 2nd and Monaghan 3rd.

Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2023, 07:37:16 PM
Bad wide for Monaghan. It's all about momentum.

that looked over. Officials having a mare here

Quote from: straightred on June 17, 2023, 07:39:16 PM

Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2023, 07:37:16 PM
Bad wide for Monaghan. It's all about momentum.

that looked over. Officials having a mare here

Looked over the post on tv.

Is that over the bar?

Monaghan didn't deserve a result based on this performance, but they got absolutely screwed with the decisions down the stretch there

What a season turnaround for Donegal. The common knowledge was that you couldn't shake off poor league form in the condensed championship.

Quote from: J70 on June 17, 2023, 07:40:15 PM

Quote from: straightred on June 17, 2023, 07:39:16 PM

Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2023, 07:37:16 PM
Bad wide for Monaghan. It's all about momentum.

that looked over. Officials having a mare here

Looked over the post on tv.

Is that over the bar?

No that's a wide. Good call.

Quote from: Schkite on June 17, 2023, 07:40:36 PM
Monaghan didn't deserve a result based on this performance, but they got absolutely screwed with the decisions down the stretch there

Terrible. Clear point not given and a phantom free against Beggan. Either of those means they only need a point for a draw. Robbed blind

Quote from: Schkite on June 17, 2023, 07:40:36 PM
Monaghan didn't deserve a result based on this performance, but they got absolutely screwed with the decisions down the stretch there

The Beggan free was very soft.

That was about it from what I could see.

What was the free from the 21 with about ten minutes left after the goalmouth scramble given for?

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Quote from: Schkite on June 17, 2023, 07:40:36 PM
Monaghan didn't deserve a result based on this performance, but they got absolutely screwed with the decisions down the stretch there

Terrible. Clear point not given and a phantom free against Beggan. Either of those means they only need a point for a draw. Robbed blind

It wasn't a clear point from the tv pictures.

Were you at the game?

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Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2023, 07:37:16 PM
Bad wide for Monaghan. It's all about momentum.

that looked over. Officials having a mare here

Looked over the post on tv.

Is that over the bar?

No that's a wide. Good call.

Perfect call but if the ref/officials are having a 'mare' then it's a bad call!

Some clampits will just see what they want

Top of the group job done and a well deserved weeks rest for the lads. Great... and the goat is back!!!

Monaghan were very poor compared to their performance against Derry and the Tyrone 2nd half. Gave Donegal far too much room.

Quote from: straightred on June 17, 2023, 07:42:26 PM

Quote from: Schkite on June 17, 2023, 07:40:36 PM
Monaghan didn't deserve a result based on this performance, but they got absolutely screwed with the decisions down the stretch there

Terrible. Clear point not given and a phantom free against Beggan. Either of those means they only need a point for a draw. Robbed blind

Not to mention the minute of injury time eaten up by the free being given and then taken, valuable time lost when you're chasing a team. Wasn't even close to a free, the fact a booking was given is hilarious

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Quote from: straightred on June 17, 2023, 07:39:16 PM

Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2023, 07:37:16 PM
Bad wide for Monaghan. It's all about momentum.

that looked over. Officials having a mare here

Looked over the post on tv.

Is that over the bar?

No that's a wide. Good call.

Perfect call but if the ref/officials are having a 'mare' then it's a bad call!

Some clampits will just see what they want

i dont know what a clampit is?
it looked over to me.
The beggan free was more significant. The ref can't give that. It was the pivotal decision

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/23/donegal-gaa-have-questions-to-answer-after-a-disastrous-few-months/
"Brian McEniff, manager of the county's first All-Ireland winners in 1992, is hopeful things can get back on track but concedes that the blow to development is a major concern.

"There is an advantage that some of the counties on the western seaboard have. We have a population of nearly 170,000, which gives us a distinct advantage over, say, the Monaghans.

Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2023, 07:41:06 PM
What a season turnaround for Donegal. The common knowledge was that you couldn't shake off poor league form in the condensed championship.

Fair fucks to the lads. Never saw them getting two wins in that group with all the missing players and the general atmosphere around the county set up.

Will be tough to make a quarter final, but a good draw at home and we can make it a half decent season. McBrearty got another 15 minutes in the legs too.

Quote from: screenexile on June 17, 2023, 07:44:13 PM
Top of the group job done and a well deserved weeks rest for the lads. Great... and the goat is back!!!

Monaghan were very poor compared to their performance against Derry and the Tyrone 2nd half. Gave Donegal far too much room.

Can't believe how poor Monaghan were there.

Soft Beggan free or not, they didn't deserve anything on that performance.

Jaysus these poor subs are getting a dogging behind the 2 lads!

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Quote from: screenexile on June 17, 2023, 07:44:13 PM
Top of the group job done and a well deserved weeks rest for the lads. Great... and the goat is back!!!

Monaghan were very poor compared to their performance against Derry and the Tyrone 2nd half. Gave Donegal far too much room.

Do Monaghan have a thinner panel than average or did the matches catch up with them?

I thought it was a foul by Beggan. Caught him at side of head.

Fair play to Donegal and Aidan O'Rourke who was given a near impossible task.  Could draw the likes of Cork,Kildare next and reach the All Ireland Quarter final.  As for Monaghan they didn't build on that draw against Derry, so inconsistent and could reach the last eight yet, would fancy another crack at Tyrone?

Credit indeed to O'Rourke. Himself and Bradley stayed on with little thanks or appreciation at a rough moment for the Donegal team. He'd be entitled to feel he's earned a proper shot at it if he gets them through next week.

Quote from: J70 on June 17, 2023, 08:31:20 PM
Credit indeed to O'Rourke. Himself and Bradley stayed on with little thanks or appreciation at a rough moment for the Donegal team. He'd be entitled to feel he's earned a proper shot at it if he gets them through next week.

Could the Armagh job be available?

Colm Collins not seeking reappointment. What a job he has done with Clare - fantastic.

Quote from: imtommygunn on June 17, 2023, 08:34:52 PM
Colm Collins not seeking reappointment. What a job he has done with Clare - fantastic.

Outstanding job he's done.  Took on Clare team that finished midtable in Div 4.  Brought them up to Div 2 and kept them there for 7 years.  Twice reached All Ireland Quarter finals in his time with Clare.

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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 17, 2023, 08:34:52 PM
Colm Collins not seeking reappointment. What a job he has done with Clare - fantastic.

Outstanding job he's done.  Took on Clare team that finished midtable in Div 4.  Brought them up to Div 2 and kept them there for 7 years.  Twice reached All Ireland Quarter finals in his time with Clare.

Fantastic servant to Clare GAA.

Quote from: J70 on June 17, 2023, 08:31:20 PM
Credit indeed to O'Rourke. Himself and Bradley stayed on with little thanks or appreciation at a rough moment for the Donegal team. He'd be entitled to feel he's earned a proper shot at it if he gets them through next week.

He's probably reading this really honest and heartfelt post now and, being an emotional chap, will have noticed the large lump in his ..:



wallet

When Donegal cleared of line Monaghan got a placed ball. Why? Awful call. Got a score too.

Was there not a double hop for Monaghan's 15th point?

Very below average Derry performance. A number of errors and turnovers and lacked a cutting edge at times.
Glass was excellent, he took a woeful challenge and hope he recovers.
McKaigues guidance was missed in the defence.
McFaul was better playing ball in than been stuck in the corner.
Toner for me should start, his engine was missed

Derry weren't good in the first half, but rectified it a bit in the second. And overall they were by far the better side. Decent spread of scorers. Good to see Loughlin getting a few from play. More game time for some subs. And a two week rest coming up.

Clare players were having a ball hitting everything that moved with little or no punishment, especially as they had nothing to lose.. And when a card did appear, they were taken off to be replaced with someone who would do the same.

I like Hurson as a ref, but today he was v poor. McConville was talking last week about protecting players and that didn't happen especially for Glass and McGuigan. Could've been helped more by the linesmen as well.

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Quote from: J70 on June 17, 2023, 08:31:20 PM
Credit indeed to O'Rourke. Himself and Bradley stayed on with little thanks or appreciation at a rough moment for the Donegal team. He'd be entitled to feel he's earned a proper shot at it if he gets them through next week.

He's probably reading this really honest and heartfelt post now and, being an emotional chap, will have noticed the large lump in his ..:



wallet

Didn't see the last piece for a minute there. ;D

Derry fully deserving of a quarterfinal spot - having to play 3 extra, meaningless games to get there this year. Not easy mentally for the players in the last six weeks so they can be very proud of what they have achieved.  Division 1 status achieved, Ulster Champions again and another quarter final spot.  Doire abú!

Quote from: Estimator on June 17, 2023, 10:50:48 PM
Derry weren't good in the first half, but rectified it a bit in the second. And overall they were by far the better side. Decent spread of scorers. Good to see Loughlin getting a few from play. More game time for some subs. And a two week rest coming up.

Clare players were having a ball hitting everything that moved with little or no punishment, especially as they had nothing to lose.. And when a card did appear, they were taken off to be replaced with someone who would do the same.

I like Hurson as a ref, but today he was v poor. McConville was talking last week about protecting players and that didn't happen especially for Glass and McGuigan. Could've been helped more by the linesmen as well.

I think you're the first person I've ever seen praise Hurson

Final score today?  1-20 / 1-13   or 1-19 / 1-13 (RTÉ)?

Quote from: restorepride on June 17, 2023, 11:16:32 PM
Final score today?  1-20 / 1-13   or 1-19 / 1-13 (RTÉ)?

1-19 they have it on GAA.ie

Monaghan lost because they failed to put any real pressure on the Donegal scire-kickers in the first half,
Centre half back position was wide open all evening.
Separately, the refereeing standard was, let's say, disappointing for this level of football.

Quote from: restorepride on June 17, 2023, 10:53:51 PM
Derry fully deserving of a quarterfinal spot - having to play 3 extra, meaningless games to get there this year.

Not "meaningless".
They wouldn't get to Quarter Final without playing the games and topping the group. ;)

Quote from: restorepride on June 17, 2023, 10:53:51 PM
Derry fully deserving of a quarterfinal spot - having to play 3 extra, meaningless games to get there this year. Not easy mentally for the players in the last six weeks so they can be very proud of what they have achieved.  Division 1 status achieved, Ulster Champions again and another quarter final spot.  Doire abú!

Agreed.

Quote from: Estimator on June 17, 2023, 10:50:48 PM
Derry weren't good in the first half, but rectified it a bit in the second. And overall they were by far the better side. Decent spread of scorers. Good to see Loughlin getting a few from play. More game time for some subs. And a two week rest coming up.

Clare players were having a ball hitting everything that moved with little or no punishment, especially as they had nothing to lose.. And when a card did appear, they were taken off to be replaced with someone who would do the same.

I like Hurson as a ref, but today he was v poor. McConville was talking last week about protecting players and that didn't happen especially for Glass and McGuigan. Could've been helped more by the linesmen as well.

Agree with all that. The football played in the first 15 mins of the 2nd half was brilliant. We'll need more of this level of football in the q/f. Serious speed and players taking their man on. The cynical side of Clare's constant fouling and the ref's treatment of it was very similar to the Monaghan game. It took until the first 5 mins of the 2nd half before cards were shown. What Clare were doing also was going to ground with a lengthy injury when Derry reeled off 2 points in a row to disrupt play. Serious amount of slabbering going on too. Even when 5/6 points down going down the home straight Clare continued this carry on rather than going for it like they did in the first half.
McKaigue's absence was precautionary was the chat in the stand.

Never had a problem woth hurson previously, but his performance this evening particularly in the 2nd half was an absolute disgrace.

If conor glass wakes up on Sunday morning without a serious injury then he is a very lucky boy.
A referee that blatantly allows players to get away with repeated assaults has no place in our games, he should be ashamed of his "officiating"

Literally through the  door, never as hammered in my life lol

Hard to see Derry matching the form they had before Gallagher got the boot, will a quarter final be as far as we get this year? Get a settled manager in for next year and give it a better go

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Quote from: Brendan on June 18, 2023, 09:27:09 AM
Hard to see Derry matching the form they had before Gallagher got the boot, will a quarter final be as far as we get this year? Get a settled manager in for next year and give it a better go

If we make a semi (big ask) surely Meenagh deserves a crack at it?

It is a nailed on certainty that Monaghan will be drawn to play Tyrone in Omagh next week.

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Quote from: Brendan on June 18, 2023, 09:27:09 AM
Hard to see Derry matching the form they had before Gallagher got the boot, will a quarter final be as far as we get this year? Get a settled manager in for next year and give it a better go

If we make a semi (big ask) surely Meenagh deserves a crack at it?

Will be a bigger ask for their Quarter Final opponents to reach the last 4. That will be their 3rd game in 14 days.

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Quote from: Brendan on June 18, 2023, 09:27:09 AM
Hard to see Derry matching the form they had before Gallagher got the boot, will a quarter final be as far as we get this year? Get a settled manager in for next year and give it a better go

If we make a semi (big ask) surely Meenagh deserves a crack at it?

Will be a bigger ask for their Quarter Final opponents to reach the last 4. That will be their 3rd game in 14 days.

Depends on their trajectory.  Donegal, for example, will feed off the momentum they have created.

Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 18, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
It is a nailed on certainty that Monaghan will be drawn to play Tyrone in Omagh next week.

Tyrone or Kerry

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Quote from: Brendan on June 18, 2023, 09:27:09 AM
Hard to see Derry matching the form they had before Gallagher got the boot, will a quarter final be as far as we get this year? Get a settled manager in for next year and give it a better go

If we make a semi (big ask) surely Meenagh deserves a crack at it?

He does surely. Need McKaigue back in to bolster the defense. Few assumptions here (Mayo top group, Kerry beat Louth and Dublin beat Sligo by more than Roscommon beat Kildare), we're looking at the following as possible q/f opponents:

Kerry
Cork
Tyrone
Roscommon
Kildare

Be interesting to see how everything pans out today and tomorrow's draw.

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Quote from: Brendan on June 18, 2023, 09:27:09 AM
Hard to see Derry matching the form they had before Gallagher got the boot, will a quarter final be as far as we get this year? Get a settled manager in for next year and give it a better go

If we make a semi (big ask) surely Meenagh deserves a crack at it?

Spot the Watty who doesn't want O'Rourke to leave!! 😂😂

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Quote from: Brendan on June 18, 2023, 09:27:09 AM
Hard to see Derry matching the form they had before Gallagher got the boot, will a quarter final be as far as we get this year? Get a settled manager in for next year and give it a better go

If we make a semi (big ask) surely Meenagh deserves a crack at it?

Spot the Watty who doesn't want O'Rourke to leave!! 😂😂

Was gona post same earlier Screen but said i wouldnt start 😃

#Malachyin 😉

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Quote from: Brendan on June 18, 2023, 09:27:09 AM
Hard to see Derry matching the form they had before Gallagher got the boot, will a quarter final be as far as we get this year? Get a settled manager in for next year and give it a better go

If we make a semi (big ask) surely Meenagh deserves a crack at it?

Spot the Watty who doesn't want O'Rourke to leave!! 😂😂
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Is O Rourke really the best option?

If Meenagh takes them to a semi and they are competitive why replace him?

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Quote from: Brendan on June 18, 2023, 09:27:09 AM
Hard to see Derry matching the form they had before Gallagher got the boot, will a quarter final be as far as we get this year? Get a settled manager in for next year and give it a better go

If we make a semi (big ask) surely Meenagh deserves a crack at it?

Spot the Watty who doesn't want O'Rourke to leave!! 😂😂

Was gona post same earlier Screen but said i wouldnt start 😃

#Malachyin 😉

Yip, I'd say Armagh could come knocking.

No matter what happens you need to be going for, O'Rourke, been at 13 Derry games this year and to me they are winning but not the team they were under Gallagher. Derry were very poor first half. The goal they gave away was as bad as you seen all year. Better 2nd half. The ref did let Clare go with constant fouling, alot of the time to break up Derry counterattack. Why it took so long to book players when it was obvious what was happening beyond me. Tackle on Glass was a bad one, I couldn't see excately how he was hit, as was farther up the pitch in the stand. Mcfaul needs to be out round No.11, he's not a corner forward. McGrogan made a few bad mistakes too. Cassidy missed a few easy ones first half but got the range in the 2nd.half.E Doherty needs take the shots on more, sometimes he in better position for taking a point but passed to a man in not as good position. We need him tallying up scores. Support wasn't that great down at it, but you got a 120+ mile trip both ways at 6pm on a sat evening, 2pm start would beem so much better for travelling support.

Harsh enough on Meenagh. Gallagher prepared the team for the Ulster final. The Monaghan game was a tricky fixture and we dug out a draw. We were excellent v Donegal and won convincingly v Clare. What more can he do. One more win and it has been another brilliant season.

Davy Burke could take Derry to the next level hi.

Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2023, 02:24:30 PM
Davy Burke could take Derry to the next level hi.

It's the 'hi' bit that lets your post down!  Not heartland stuff - more Inis Eoghain. 

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2023, 01:52:58 PM
No matter what happens you need to be going for, O'Rourke, been at 13 Derry games this year and to me they are winning but not the team they were under Gallagher. Derry were very poor first half. The goal they gave away was as bad as you seen all year. Better 2nd half. The ref did let Clare go with constant fouling, alot of the time to break up Derry counterattack. Why it took so long to book players when it was obvious what was happening beyond me. Tackle on Glass was a bad one, I couldn't see excately how he was hit, as was farther up the pitch in the stand. Mcfaul needs to be out round No.11, he's not a corner forward. McGrogan made a few bad mistakes too. Cassidy missed a few easy ones first half but got the range in the 2nd.half.E Doherty needs take the shots on more, sometimes he in better position for taking a point but passed to a man in not as good position. We need him tallying up scores. Support wasn't that great down at it, but you got a 120+ mile trip both ways at 6pm on a sat evening, 2pm start would beem so much better for travelling support.

I have to say I agree with this.
We're not as sharp or switched on and for me that was the Gallagher effect.
I'd also say lets give Meenagh the rest of the season before discussing his replacement. Through no fault of his own, he was promoted to senior manager when he was there to perform a different role. I believe given the circumstances he's doing well.
He might not want the job, County Board might not want him, or maybe it's a match made. He has been there since Div4, so I'd imagine Derry's rise is at least partly due to him.
I think we should be fair to the man and let him finish the season at least without questioning too much who will replace him.

So far this year we have hit all our goals. Next one will be to win a QF, and I think we have a good chance of that.
What's the odd of us getting Ulster opposition though? Armagh/Tyrone/Donegan/Monaghan all in the mix, it's bound to happen.

armagh will be avoided until semi final thankfully

If Derry and Armagh reach the SF and get each other, then I'd say they would both settle for that. However, there was a statement here that they were trying to avoid duplications of earlier games "The semi-finals are, where possible, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship." But I expect that Derry could play Tyrone in the unlikely event that Tyrone get that far.

Quote from: orchardarmy02 on June 19, 2023, 10:43:46 AM
armagh will be avoided until semi final thankfully

By qualifying top of the group Armagh have avoided quarter-final ties with Derry, Kerry, Dublin, Galway and Tyrone.  I'd say they are more than happy with that and should find themselves in a semi-final this year.

thats five top teams that are great to avoid

Only Team I be happy to avoid is Kerry, be happy to take on all others. Still doesn't meant we def win that game.

Great to top the group and i got it wrong about Donegal!!! Was disappointed with Brendan Rogers this last two games I know because of his previous performances he is very much a continuously " marked man" which should within the context of the system allow more space for someone else to shine eg McFaul but its not happening for him either.  We're now in tougher territory playing against better quality opposition and all the backroom teams are very well prepared on the strengths of their opposition.  We need to create something special to get over the next hurdle and just as Sherlock from Cork produced a fantastic performance from the subs' bench v Mayo I think Lachlan Murray can give us a real scoring boost if we can get him good quality ball....

what do folk think ?

Lachlan should have had a lot more football under his belt at this stage of the season. He should have started in the Clare game. I don't know what the reluctance to bring him on earlier in games has been about.  I know he was carrying an injury earlier in the season but I had thought that was cleared up now.

Quote from: Real Talk on June 19, 2023, 10:20:19 PM
Great to top the group and i got it wrong about Donegal!!! Was disappointed with Brendan Rogers this last two games I know because of his previous performances he is very much a continuously " marked man" which should within the context of the system allow more space for someone else to shine eg McFaul but its not happening for him either.  We're now in tougher territory playing against better quality opposition and all the backroom teams are very well prepared on the strengths of their opposition.  We need to create something special to get over the next hurdle and just as Sherlock from Cork produced a fantastic performance from the subs' bench v Mayo I think Lachlan Murray can give us a real scoring boost if we can get him good quality ball....

what do folk think ?

Not sure I agree on the Rogers comment, but in general you can't expect him to star in every game.
He's still having a very strong year and I'd put him up against any MF in the country.

Lachlan Murray is a strange one. I can see the argument for starting him. But I also see the need for a top quality impact sub and in every game he has come on he has been top drawer. He could be our version of Dublin's Kilkenny in their pomp. Oisin McWilliams too if he's fully recovered.
Its great to have quality on the bench to keep the first 15 on their toes, to cover for injuries and to inject quality and pace for the last 15-20 mins.
If we started Murray in place of Niall O, for example, would Niall make the same impact off the bench that Murray can make? I'm not so sure.
Difficult management calls and on the days it works it'll be a master class in tactics, but on the day we get beat there will no doubt be those calling the tactics out as wrong because Murray didnt start.
It's been "working" so far, I think we have to put faith in management to make the right call at the right time.
Murray is class act and I think McWilliams isnt far behind when fit. Realistically Benny Heron is probably in his twilight years of intercounty, so one of them will certainly step in when he retires, so it's not far away for either of them.

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Quote from: Real Talk on June 19, 2023, 10:20:19 PM
Great to top the group and i got it wrong about Donegal!!! Was disappointed with Brendan Rogers this last two games I know because of his previous performances he is very much a continuously " marked man" which should within the context of the system allow more space for someone else to shine eg McFaul but its not happening for him either.  We're now in tougher territory playing against better quality opposition and all the backroom teams are very well prepared on the strengths of their opposition.  We need to create something special to get over the next hurdle and just as Sherlock from Cork produced a fantastic performance from the subs' bench v Mayo I think Lachlan Murray can give us a real scoring boost if we can get him good quality ball....

what do folk think ?

Not sure I agree on the Rogers comment, but in general you can't expect him to star in every game.
He's still having a very strong year and I'd put him up against any MF in the country.

Lachlan Murray is a strange one. I can see the argument for starting him. But I also see the need for a top quality impact sub and in every game he has come on he has been top drawer. He could be our version of Dublin's Kilkenny in their pomp. Oisin McWilliams too if he's fully recovered.
Its great to have quality on the bench to keep the first 15 on their toes, to cover for injuries and to inject quality and pace for the last 15-20 mins.
If we started Murray in place of Niall O, for example, would Niall make the same impact off the bench that Murray can make? I'm not so sure.
Difficult management calls and on the days it works it'll be a master class in tactics, but on the day we get beat there will no doubt be those calling the tactics out as wrong because Murray didnt start.
It's been "working" so far, I think we have to put faith in management to make the right call at the right time.
Murray is class act and I think McWilliams isnt far behind when fit. Realistically Benny Heron is probably in his twilight years of intercounty, so one of them will certainly step in when he retires, so it's not far away for either of them.

Lachlan Murray to Ciaran Kilkenny in the peak Dublin years is some comparison. Ciaran Kilkenny started every one of the x6 in a row all ireland's, would Lachlan Murray have x1 start under his belt in championship? No pressure on the kid brick

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Quote from: Real Talk on June 19, 2023, 10:20:19 PM
Great to top the group and i got it wrong about Donegal!!! Was disappointed with Brendan Rogers this last two games I know because of his previous performances he is very much a continuously " marked man" which should within the context of the system allow more space for someone else to shine eg McFaul but its not happening for him either.  We're now in tougher territory playing against better quality opposition and all the backroom teams are very well prepared on the strengths of their opposition.  We need to create something special to get over the next hurdle and just as Sherlock from Cork produced a fantastic performance from the subs' bench v Mayo I think Lachlan Murray can give us a real scoring boost if we can get him good quality ball....

what do folk think ?

Not sure I agree on the Rogers comment, but in general you can't expect him to star in every game.
He's still having a very strong year and I'd put him up against any MF in the country.

Lachlan Murray is a strange one. I can see the argument for starting him. But I also see the need for a top quality impact sub and in every game he has come on he has been top drawer. He could be our version of Dublin's Kilkenny in their pomp. Oisin McWilliams too if he's fully recovered.
Its great to have quality on the bench to keep the first 15 on their toes, to cover for injuries and to inject quality and pace for the last 15-20 mins.
If we started Murray in place of Niall O, for example, would Niall make the same impact off the bench that Murray can make? I'm not so sure.
Difficult management calls and on the days it works it'll be a master class in tactics, but on the day we get beat there will no doubt be those calling the tactics out as wrong because Murray didnt start.
It's been "working" so far, I think we have to put faith in management to make the right call at the right time.
Murray is class act and I think McWilliams isnt far behind when fit. Realistically Benny Heron is probably in his twilight years of intercounty, so one of them will certainly step in when he retires, so it's not far away for either of them.

Lachlan Murray to Ciaran Kilkenny in the peak Dublin years is some comparison. Ciaran Kilkenny started every one of the x6 in a row all ireland's, would Lachlan Murray have x1 start under his belt in championship? No pressure on the kid brick

Did he maybe mean McManamon as the impact sub? Murray probably isn't as good as the others yet defensively which could play a part in him not starting. He's very talented, though still very young. Hopefully see more of him later in the year, I think Croke Park would suit him.

Was suprised Murray didn't make an appearance on Saturday. Seemed to be moving well in the warm up, so don't think there was an injury to be worried about.  Was it Thomas Mallon that was the sub keeper on Saturday? Think it was him working with Lynch before the match, but he was too far away to be 100%.

Quote from: Estimator on June 20, 2023, 03:16:42 PM
Was suprised Murray didn't make an appearance on Saturday. Seemed to be moving well in the warm up, so don't think there was an injury to be worried about.  Was it Thomas Mallon that was the sub keeper on Saturday? Think it was him working with Lynch before the match, but he was too far away to be 100%.

Hasn't he been goalkeeping coach for a few years, the irony of him being a goalkeeping coach

Quote from: Brendan on June 20, 2023, 04:25:34 PM

Quote from: Estimator on June 20, 2023, 03:16:42 PM
Was suprised Murray didn't make an appearance on Saturday. Seemed to be moving well in the warm up, so don't think there was an injury to be worried about.  Was it Thomas Mallon that was the sub keeper on Saturday? Think it was him working with Lynch before the match, but he was too far away to be 100%.

Hasn't he been goalkeeping coach for a few years, the irony of him being a goalkeeping coach

Still one of the best club keepers in Derry to be fair

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Quote from: Estimator on June 20, 2023, 03:16:42 PM
Was suprised Murray didn't make an appearance on Saturday. Seemed to be moving well in the warm up, so don't think there was an injury to be worried about.  Was it Thomas Mallon that was the sub keeper on Saturday? Think it was him working with Lynch before the match, but he was too far away to be 100%.

Hasn't he been goalkeeping coach for a few years, the irony of him being a goalkeeping coach

Still one of the best club keepers in Derry to be fair

Not even the best keeper in his own club anymore

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Great to top the group and i got it wrong about Donegal!!! Was disappointed with Brendan Rogers this last two games I know because of his previous performances he is very much a continuously " marked man" which should within the context of the system allow more space for someone else to shine eg McFaul but its not happening for him either.  We're now in tougher territory playing against better quality opposition and all the backroom teams are very well prepared on the strengths of their opposition.  We need to create something special to get over the next hurdle and just as Sherlock from Cork produced a fantastic performance from the subs' bench v Mayo I think Lachlan Murray can give us a real scoring boost if we can get him good quality ball....

what do folk think ?

Not sure I agree on the Rogers comment, but in general you can't expect him to star in every game.
He's still having a very strong year and I'd put him up against any MF in the country.

Lachlan Murray is a strange one. I can see the argument for starting him. But I also see the need for a top quality impact sub and in every game he has come on he has been top drawer. He could be our version of Dublin's Kilkenny in their pomp. Oisin McWilliams too if he's fully recovered.
Its great to have quality on the bench to keep the first 15 on their toes, to cover for injuries and to inject quality and pace for the last 15-20 mins.
If we started Murray in place of Niall O, for example, would Niall make the same impact off the bench that Murray can make? I'm not so sure.
Difficult management calls and on the days it works it'll be a master class in tactics, but on the day we get beat there will no doubt be those calling the tactics out as wrong because Murray didnt start.
It's been "working" so far, I think we have to put faith in management to make the right call at the right time.
Murray is class act and I think McWilliams isnt far behind when fit. Realistically Benny Heron is probably in his twilight years of intercounty, so one of them will certainly step in when he retires, so it's not far away for either of them.

Lachlan Murray to Ciaran Kilkenny in the peak Dublin years is some comparison. Ciaran Kilkenny started every one of the x6 in a row all ireland's, would Lachlan Murray have x1 start under his belt in championship? No pressure on the kid brick

Did he maybe mean McManamon as the impact sub? Murray probably isn't as good as the others yet defensively which could play a part in him not starting. He's very talented, though still very young. Hopefully see more of him later in the year, I think Croke Park would suit him.

Yep I did. Brain farted that one!
I think Murray has the potential to be as good as anyone out there. His physique along with his skillset are at the top level.
Perhaps there is something on the defensive side of things, but I certainly see him as being one of our key players in the years to come. For now, impact of the bench from him has been brilliant and that's as important over 70 mins as anything else.

Quote from: Brendan on June 20, 2023, 04:25:34 PM

Quote from: Estimator on June 20, 2023, 03:16:42 PM
Was suprised Murray didn't make an appearance on Saturday. Seemed to be moving well in the warm up, so don't think there was an injury to be worried about.  Was it Thomas Mallon that was the sub keeper on Saturday? Think it was him working with Lynch before the match, but he was too far away to be 100%.

Hasn't he been goalkeeping coach for a few years, the irony of him being a goalkeeping coach

I've often thought that too  ;D