May 20th Galway v Tyrone, Pearse Stadium, 5.15pm, GAAGO
May 27th Armagh vs Westmeath, BOX-IT Athletic Grounds, 4.45pm, GAAGO
Jun 3rd Westmeath v Galway, TEG Cusack Park, 5pm
Jun 3rd Tyrone v Armagh, Healy Park, 7pm, (RTÉ)
June 17/18 Galway v Armagh, TBD
June 17/18 Tyrone v Westmeath, TBD
Some games might get a thread of their own - like the Tyrone/Armagh game - but discussions on other games might be kept under the Group heading...
Tables will be updated after each round is complete.
David Brady's WTF analysis of Group 2
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1659490326120132611
Anthony Moyles on Tyrone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noDlSF22NWo&t=7305s
The Group of Buckfast.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 24, 2023, 11:37:43 AM
The Group of Buckfast.
;D ;D
Of all the groups this one is the most evenly matched.
Tyrone are improving I feel, but I don't think they'll challenge for honours.
I think Armagh are not as good as some think, but that game between Tyrone and Armagh will be massive.
Westmeath will fancy their chances, but I dont see them beating any of the others.
I'd predict a 1,2,3 of Galway, Tyrone, Armagh in this group.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 24, 2023, 12:17:17 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 24, 2023, 11:37:43 AM
The Group of Buckfast.
;D ;D
Of all the groups this one is the most evenly matched.
Tyrone are improving I feel, but I don't think they'll challenge for honours.
I think Armagh are not as good as some think, but that game between Tyrone and Armagh will be massive.
Westmeath will fancy their chances, but I dont see them beating any of the others.
I'd predict a 1,2,3 of Galway, Tyrone, Armagh in this group.
We're probably slight underdogs vs both Tyrone and Galway but also capable of beating both. Can't take the eye of the Westmeath game though.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 24, 2023, 12:17:17 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 24, 2023, 11:37:43 AM
The Group of Buckfast.
;D ;D
Of all the groups this one is the most evenly matched.
Tyrone are improving I feel, but I don't think they'll challenge for honours.
I think Armagh are not as good as some think, but that game between Tyrone and Armagh will be massive.
Westmeath will fancy their chances, but I dont see them beating any of the others.
I'd predict a 1,2,3 of Galway, Tyrone, Armagh in this group.
It's definitely an interesting group.
If Armagh beat Westmeath, lose to Tyrone but beat Galway they'll have 4 points.
In such a scenario you'd imagine Galway will also be on 4 points if they beat Westmeath
So all three could be on 4 points having lost one match each and won the other two.
So will score difference be the deciding factor in that scenario?
As someone already said elsewhere, I suppose the team that finishes third will want to be avoiding Kerry, assuming they come second now after Mayo.
Is Burns suspended for just one game?
3 teams level = score difference.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 24, 2023, 01:52:41 PM
If Armagh beat Westmeath, lose to Tyrone but beat Galway they'll have 4 points.
In such a scenario you'd imagine Galway will also be on 4 points if they beat Westmeath
So all three could be on 4 points having lost one match each and won the other two.
So will score difference be the deciding factor in that scenario?
As someone already said elsewhere, I suppose the team that finishes third will want to be avoiding Kerry, assuming they come second now after Mayo.
Is Burns suspended for just one game?
Score diff yep. Very realistic possibility. In that scenario you'd probably give Tyrone the slight advantage as they'll be up against Westmeath last and may know what they need, and westmeaths challenge could peter out of they know they're 100% out
Quote from: Manning18 on May 24, 2023, 04:52:03 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 24, 2023, 01:52:41 PM
If Armagh beat Westmeath, lose to Tyrone but beat Galway they'll have 4 points.
In such a scenario you'd imagine Galway will also be on 4 points if they beat Westmeath
So all three could be on 4 points having lost one match each and won the other two.
So will score difference be the deciding factor in that scenario?
As someone already said elsewhere, I suppose the team that finishes third will want to be avoiding Kerry, assuming they come second now after Mayo.
Is Burns suspended for just one game?
Score diff yep. Very realistic possibility. In that scenario you'd probably give Tyrone the slight advantage as they'll be up against Westmeath last and may know what they need, and westmeaths challenge could peter out of they know they're 100% out
But Westmeath won't be 100% out before the Tyrone game.
Only two games played each before Tyrone meet Westmeath.
And if the fixtures pan out as Fuzzman has suggested above, with two games played the league will look like this.
Galway - 4pts
Armagh - 2pts
Tyrone - 2pts
Westmeath - 0pts
If Westmeath turn over Tyrone in that last game (big if) then you might end up with 3 teams on 2pts.
Tyrone could conceivably lose narrowly to Armagh then draw with Westmeath and still advance, making it into the knockout stage with 1 draw and 3 defeats from 4 Championship games.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 25, 2023, 12:53:28 PM
Tyrone could conceivably lose narrowly to Armagh then draw with Westmeath and still advance, making it into the knockout stage with 1 draw and 3 defeats from 4 Championship games.
Any qualifying team could
Quote from: Estimator on May 25, 2023, 09:14:26 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on May 24, 2023, 04:52:03 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 24, 2023, 01:52:41 PM
If Armagh beat Westmeath, lose to Tyrone but beat Galway they'll have 4 points.
In such a scenario you'd imagine Galway will also be on 4 points if they beat Westmeath
So all three could be on 4 points having lost one match each and won the other two.
So will score difference be the deciding factor in that scenario?
As someone already said elsewhere, I suppose the team that finishes third will want to be avoiding Kerry, assuming they come second now after Mayo.
Is Burns suspended for just one game?
Score diff yep. Very realistic possibility. In that scenario you'd probably give Tyrone the slight advantage as they'll be up against Westmeath last and may know what they need, and westmeaths challenge could peter out of they know they're 100% out
But Westmeath won't be 100% out before the Tyrone game.
Only two games played each before Tyrone meet Westmeath.
And if the fixtures pan out as Fuzzman has suggested above, with two games played the league will look like this.
Galway - 4pts
Armagh - 2pts
Tyrone - 2pts
Westmeath - 0pts
If Westmeath turn over Tyrone in that last game (big if) then you might end up with 3 teams on 2pts.
No, the scenario is that Westmeath are say 8 points down in that last game to Tyrone, know their season is over at that point, and fade away to allow Tyrone a big score, which would prove pivotal if 3 teams finished with 4 points. They're unlikely to do that late in the games v Armagh and Galway when they'll still have much to play for in the championship
Pressure is on Galway , lots of write ups over the last few weeks about them , the latest being Peter canavan saying if they met Mayo in a final they'd beat them . All or nothing now for Padraigeen and his band of fancy dans .
Yerra doesn't sound natural from a Connacht person ::)
Quote from: larryin89 on May 25, 2023, 03:13:52 PM
Pressure is on Galway , lots of write ups over the last few weeks about them , the latest being Peter canavan saying if they met Mayo in a final they'd beat them . All or nothing now for Padraigeen and his band of fancy dans .
Because of a few articles?! ;D
That won't make a blind bit of difference compared to the internal motivation to win for themselves after the disappointment of last year. There was a load of write ups about how Mayo had the job done once they had slain the Dublin dragon and it was "only" Tyrone between them and the holy grail. They still failed to win, were absolutely devastated afterwards but it hasn't stopped them coming back as one of the top contenders this year. Rather than "All or nothing now" for this year, we need to ensure that Galway get back to semi-final and final level much more regularly than has been managed over the last twenty years, the lack of experience of a AI final meant that, unfortunately, the match simply passed a good number of players by.
Quote from: larryin89 on May 25, 2023, 03:13:52 PM
Pressure is on Galway , lots of write ups over the last few weeks about them , the latest being Peter canavan saying if they met Mayo in a final they'd beat them . All or nothing now for Padraigeen and his band of fancy dans .
First time we were called that was 1998.
Quote from: larryin89 on May 25, 2023, 03:13:52 PM
Pressure is on Galway , lots of write ups over the last few weeks about them , the latest being Peter canavan saying if they met Mayo in a final they'd beat them . All or nothing now for Padraigeen and his band of fancy dans .
Pressure was on Galway the first game against Tyrone to get a win. I expect Galway to do enough to see them past Westmeath. Media are looking for a story, so they are talking up Westmeath without any real basis.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 25, 2023, 03:50:41 PM
Yerra doesn't sound natural from a Connacht person ::)
Indeed. Kerry folk normally have a bucketful more nuance for starters
Every word a Kerryman utters has at least 6 different meanings.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 25, 2023, 03:58:54 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 25, 2023, 03:13:52 PM
Pressure is on Galway , lots of write ups over the last few weeks about them , the latest being Peter canavan saying if they met Mayo in a final they'd beat them . All or nothing now for Padraigeen and his band of fancy dans .
Because of a few articles?! ;D
That won't make a blind bit of difference compared to the internal motivation to win for themselves after the disappointment of last year. There was a load of write ups about how Mayo had the job done once they had slain the Dublin dragon and it was "only" Tyrone between them and the holy grail. They still failed to win, were absolutely devastated afterwards but it hasn't stopped them coming back as one of the top contenders this year. Rather than "All or nothing now" for this year, we need to ensure that Galway get back to semi-final and final level much more regularly than has been managed over the last twenty years, the lack of experience of a AI final meant that, unfortunately, the match simply passed a good number of players by.
I think the Dublin 6 in a row arsed up a lot of traditions including the traditional All Ireland apprenticeship. Counties would emerge and do semi final one year then final next and maybe win in the third year. Both Tyrone and Kerry lost all Irelands before they won in 21 and 22 respectively. Kerry had an awful lot of mi adh against that Dublin team and they are not a particularly strong Kerry team but they did have more experience last year.
All about Galway this year. Ye can call it yerra or whatever you want , they're the team most people fancy . Sean Kelly the best defender in the land , Walsh , comer , Tierney and finnerty , first two X factor footballers other two would make any starting 15 in the country . Cian o neill has them primed for glory . If Dublin can reignite the flame , it will be some final (if avoided before final ) , can't see anyone else spoiling the party in Tuam on 31st July .
Quote from: Rossfan on May 25, 2023, 03:50:41 PM
Yerra doesn't sound natural from a Connacht person ::)
Muise is more like it
Musha would be more Connemara Galway; arragh/ara as in "arragh go and shite" would be more widespread.
Quote from: mouview on May 25, 2023, 04:12:47 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 25, 2023, 03:13:52 PM
Pressure is on Galway , lots of write ups over the last few weeks about them , the latest being Peter canavan saying if they met Mayo in a final they'd beat them . All or nothing now for Padraigeen and his band of fancy dans .
First time we were called that was 1998.
More efficient dans than fancy dans nowadays.
Quote from: weareros on May 25, 2023, 05:36:49 PM
Musha would be more Connemara Galway; arragh/ara as in "arragh go and shite" would be more widespread.
Arra and dhera are the same word.
Lookit is very Connacht.
Did some bigwig get a tour of the Athletic Grounds today?
Quote from: weareros on May 25, 2023, 05:36:49 PM
Musha would be more Connemara Galway; arragh/ara as in "arragh go and shite" would be more widespread.
Musha they say it a lot in Achill too .
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 25, 2023, 04:23:50 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 25, 2023, 03:13:52 PM
Pressure is on Galway , lots of write ups over the last few weeks about them , the latest being Peter canavan saying if they met Mayo in a final they'd beat them . All or nothing now for Padraigeen and his band of fancy dans .
Pressure was on Galway the first game against Tyrone to get a win. I expect Galway to do enough to see them past Westmeath. Media are looking for a story, so they are talking up Westmeath without any real basis.
Look what they did to Wexford on Sunday.
Quote from: Orior on May 25, 2023, 06:17:38 PM
Did some bigwig get a tour of the Athletic Grounds today?
That would be Charles king of England
Quote from: larryin89 on May 25, 2023, 05:06:15 PM
All about Galway this year. Ye can call it yerra or whatever you want , they're the team most people fancy . Sean Kelly the best defender in the land , Walsh , comer , Tierney and finnerty , first two X factor footballers other two would make any starting 15 in the country . Cian o neill has them primed for glory . If Dublin can reignite the flame , it will be some final (if avoided before final ) , can't see anyone else spoiling the party in Tuam on 31st July .
Ah Larry, dya not think it's Mayos year? The only thing stopping them all this time has been the fabled curse and that's now removed. Kieran McDonald with his one all star is the greatest player never to lift Sam. If they can only get Cillian o'Connor back fit, we all know of his prolific record from play in finals. The county never truly wanted the 2020 and 2021 finals when with covid they couldn't properly celebrate. The tin roofs from Swinford to Belmullet will be swinging when the day comes in 2 months time
Not like you to let the guard slip there Manning , Tin roofs ! Haha . If it wasn't for mayo and rossies there would be no roofs in the county of arts and culture that's for sure . Enjoy your summer mo chara .
Armagh team:
Rafferty
Morgan
Mckay
Forker
McCabe
C O'Neill
J Burns
Crealey
Ciaran Mackin
Grugan
Duffy
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Nugent
Subs:
Magill (GK)
Higgins
McCambridge
McQuillan
Cumiskey
Connaire Mackin
McPartlan
Turbitt
Hall
McConville
Conaty
Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
Armagh team:
Rafferty
Morgan
Mckay
Forker
McCabe
C O'Neill
J Burns
Crealey
Ciaran Mackin
Grugan
Duffy
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Nugent
Subs:
Magill (GK)
Higgins
McCambridge
McQuillan
Cumiskey
Connaire Mackin
McPartlan
Turbitt
Hall
McConville
Conaty
Too strong of a team for what should be a handy game? Why risk your main players and not give some bench lads time?
Quote from: 5times5times on May 26, 2023, 10:26:56 AM
Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
Armagh team:
Rafferty
Morgan
Mckay
Forker
McCabe
C O'Neill
J Burns
Crealey
Ciaran Mackin
Grugan
Duffy
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Nugent
Subs:
Magill (GK)
Higgins
McCambridge
McQuillan
Cumiskey
Connaire Mackin
McPartlan
Turbitt
Hall
McConville
Conaty
Too strong of a team for what should be a handy game? Why risk your main players and not give some bench lads time?
We need to win this game and win it well
No such thing as too strong a team
Westmeath will be up for it
Nugent has done well to get a start given his lack of form in any of sub appearances. I wouldn't have dropped Turbitt he may not have scored in last 2 games, but this would be a good opportunity for him to restore some confidence.
Armagh have to win this match but should try out a few subs.
Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
Armagh team:
Rafferty
Morgan
Mckay
Forker
McCabe
C O'Neill
J Burns
Crealey
Ciaran Mackin
Grugan
Duffy
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Nugent
Subs:
Magill (GK)
Higgins
McCambridge
McQuillan
Cumiskey
Connaire Mackin
McPartlan
Turbitt
Hall
McConville
Conaty
Would it be fair to say Armagh don't know what their strongest team is? Every time I see an Armagh 15 there are changes -McCambridge, McQuillan, Connaire Mackin, McPartlan Turbitt, Hall - feel like all these lads have either started or been very involved in recent games, hard to build chemistry with so much chopping and changing.
Quote from: UpMeeyo on May 26, 2023, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
Armagh team:
Rafferty
Morgan
Mckay
Forker
McCabe
C O'Neill
J Burns
Crealey
Ciaran Mackin
Grugan
Duffy
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Nugent
Subs:
Magill (GK)
Higgins
McCambridge
McQuillan
Cumiskey
Connaire Mackin
McPartlan
Turbitt
Hall
McConville
Conaty
Would it be fair to say Armagh don't know what their strongest team is? Every time I see an Armagh 15 there are changes -McCambridge, McQuillan, Connaire Mackin, McPartlan Turbitt, Hall - feel like all these lads have either started or been very involved in recent games, hard to build chemistry with so much chopping and changing.
Not really, probably good competition for places there and certain players more suited to certain games/roles. I'd say thats very close to our strongest team at the minute. Form dependent Turbitt could come in for Nugent and tbh i would have Hall starting with Soupy coming in at half time to run at tired legs. Argument to be made for McCambridge somewhere as well but close call between any of the defenders.
I'm not sure we know our strongest 15 either tbh, but as a big believer in horses for courses I like the fact we can interchange our first 20 (when fit) without substantially weakening the team. Be nice to think we've assessed the Westmeath threat and set out the team with that in mind. Great to have genuine competition for places even if I don't agree with some selections.
Quote from: 5times5times on May 26, 2023, 10:26:56 AM
Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
Armagh team:
Rafferty
Morgan
Mckay
Forker
McCabe
C O'Neill
J Burns
Crealey
Ciaran Mackin
Grugan
Duffy
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Nugent
Subs:
Magill (GK)
Higgins
McCambridge
McQuillan
Cumiskey
Connaire Mackin
McPartlan
Turbitt
Hall
McConville
Conaty
Too strong of a team for what should be a handy game? Why risk your main players and not give some bench lads time?
If we are in the good position of winning this by 15 points with 20 minutes left i'd give a few lads a run out!
Quote from: UpMeeyo on May 26, 2023, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
Armagh team:
Rafferty
Morgan
Mckay
Forker
McCabe
C O'Neill
J Burns
Crealey
Ciaran Mackin
Grugan
Duffy
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Nugent
Subs:
Magill (GK)
Higgins
McCambridge
McQuillan
Cumiskey
Connaire Mackin
McPartlan
Turbitt
Hall
McConville
Conaty
Would it be fair to say Armagh don't know what their strongest team is? Every time I see an Armagh 15 there are changes -McCambridge, McQuillan, Connaire Mackin, McPartlan Turbitt, Hall - feel like all these lads have either started or been very involved in recent games, hard to build chemistry with so much chopping and changing.
Nailing down Ciaran Mackins best position is probably another thing that needs looked at. Made his name as a midfielder much like Jarly Og, but have been impressed with him when he has played wing back. Armagh now seem to be a better balanced side with good options in defence and upfront, where as in years gone by would have been viewed as top heavy, which ironically resulted in A Forker moving back to defence. Think his first run at that was picking up mcmanus one year and did a great job.
I don't see mcquillan as a starter more an impact player due to speed when game opens up, personally think we have much better options than Connaire Mackin but McGeeney seems to be a fan.
Quote from: UpMeeyo on May 26, 2023, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
Armagh team:
Rafferty
Morgan
Mckay
Forker
McCabe
C O'Neill
J Burns
Crealey
Ciaran Mackin
Grugan
Duffy
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Nugent
Subs:
Magill (GK)
Higgins
McCambridge
McQuillan
Cumiskey
Connaire Mackin
McPartlan
Turbitt
Hall
McConville
Conaty
Would it be fair to say Armagh don't know what their strongest team is? Every time I see an Armagh 15 there are changes -McCambridge, McQuillan, Connaire Mackin, McPartlan Turbitt, Hall - feel like all these lads have either started or been very involved in recent games, hard to build chemistry with so much chopping and changing.
Few teams stick to an exact 15 week in week out but there is a fair degree with continuity with almost all variations explained by knocks. Not sure when you saw McQuillan or Connaire Mackin named or drafted in before throwing but I'm sure you will fill us in on the deets
What's wrong with Jemar Hall? Did he not feature in the league ?
Quote from: seafoid on May 26, 2023, 03:45:00 PM
What's wrong with Jemar Hall? Did he not feature in the league ?
was going well in championship but picked up a knock before the final. Named in 26 for tomorrow.
Quote from: Manning18 on May 25, 2023, 10:41:37 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 25, 2023, 05:06:15 PM
All about Galway this year. Ye can call it yerra or whatever you want , they're the team most people fancy . Sean Kelly the best defender in the land , Walsh , comer , Tierney and finnerty , first two X factor footballers other two would make any starting 15 in the country . Cian o neill has them primed for glory . If Dublin can reignite the flame , it will be some final (if avoided before final ) , can't see anyone else spoiling the party in Tuam on 31st July .
Ah Larry, dya not think it's Mayos year? The only thing stopping them all this time has been the fabled curse and that's now removed. Kieran McDonald with his one all star is the greatest player never to lift Sam. If they can only get Cillian o'Connor back fit, we all know of his prolific record from play in finals. The county never truly wanted the 2020 and 2021 finals when with covid they couldn't properly celebrate. The tin roofs from Swinford to Belmullet will be swinging when the day comes in 2 months time
Word on the streets of Castlebar is that Aidan O'Shea at FF is the key to finally ending the famine.
I can see the Armagh ones are losing the run of themselves again. In fairness they have a great ability to have games won before they are played. I'd usually always support the Ulster team but the disrespect shown to Westmeath is remarkable...
Quote from: smelmoth on May 26, 2023, 03:24:48 PM
Quote from: UpMeeyo on May 26, 2023, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
Armagh team:
Rafferty
Morgan
Mckay
Forker
McCabe
C O'Neill
J Burns
Crealey
Ciaran Mackin
Grugan
Duffy
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Nugent
Subs:
Magill (GK)
Higgins
McCambridge
McQuillan
Cumiskey
Connaire Mackin
McPartlan
Turbitt
Hall
McConville
Conaty
Would it be fair to say Armagh don't know what their strongest team is? Every time I see an Armagh 15 there are changes -McCambridge, McQuillan, Connaire Mackin, McPartlan Turbitt, Hall - feel like all these lads have either started or been very involved in recent games, hard to build chemistry with so much chopping and changing.
Few teams stick to an exact 15 week in week out but there is a fair degree with continuity with almost all variations explained by knocks. Not sure when you saw McQuillan or Connaire Mackin named or drafted in before throwing but I'm sure you will fill us in on the deets
Yeah tbf you've called my bluff a little bit :) in mcquillans case, any time he's come on I've thought he should potentially be starting (which is why I've said "has been very involved") and as an outsider I could well have been confusing the two mackin's but I had thought I had seen potential in connaire, though I maybe I'm wrong. I think the point probably stands though. If we're saying Galway, Kerry and Dublin are the three front runners you could name 12-13 of their starters with reasonable certainty, I always find when an Armagh teamsheet is named it can be a guessing game as to who is in or out.
I Used to feel the same about Roscommon maybe 3 or 4 years ago - you'd never know whether both murtaghs or both smiths (even the dalys sometimes) would be starting, but now they seem reasonably settled and I think its standing to them.
Quote from: UpMeeyo on May 26, 2023, 04:36:48 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 26, 2023, 03:24:48 PM
Quote from: UpMeeyo on May 26, 2023, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
Armagh team:
Rafferty
Morgan
Mckay
Forker
McCabe
C O'Neill
J Burns
Crealey
Ciaran Mackin
Grugan
Duffy
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Nugent
Subs:
Magill (GK)
Higgins
McCambridge
McQuillan
Cumiskey
Connaire Mackin
McPartlan
Turbitt
Hall
McConville
Conaty
Would it be fair to say Armagh don't know what their strongest team is? Every time I see an Armagh 15 there are changes -McCambridge, McQuillan, Connaire Mackin, McPartlan Turbitt, Hall - feel like all these lads have either started or been very involved in recent games, hard to build chemistry with so much chopping and changing.
Few teams stick to an exact 15 week in week out but there is a fair degree with continuity with almost all variations explained by knocks. Not sure when you saw McQuillan or Connaire Mackin named or drafted in before throwing but I'm sure you will fill us in on the deets
Yeah tbf you've called my bluff a little bit :) in mcquillans case, any time he's come on I've thought he should potentially be starting (which is why I've said "has been very involved") and as an outsider I could well have been confusing the two mackin's but I had thought I had seen potential in connaire, though I maybe I'm wrong. I think the point probably stands though. If we're saying Galway, Kerry and Dublin are the three front runners you could name 12-13 of their starters with reasonable certainty, I always find when an Armagh teamsheet is named it can be a guessing game as to who is in or out.
I Used to feel the same about Roscommon maybe 3 or 4 years ago - you'd never know whether both murtaghs or both smiths (even the dalys sometimes) would be starting, but now they seem reasonably settled and I think its standing to them.
I think those in bold are pretty nailed on at the moment for Armagh. One of midfield slots up for grabs and grugan, duffy, o neill and murnin will all start then its 2 from Nugent, Turbitt, Hall, Campbell.
Quote from: UpMeeyo on May 26, 2023, 04:36:48 PM
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Quote from: UpMeeyo on May 26, 2023, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
Armagh team:
Rafferty
Morgan
Mckay
Forker
McCabe
C O'Neill
J Burns
Crealey
Ciaran Mackin
Grugan
Duffy
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Nugent
Subs:
Magill (GK)
Higgins
McCambridge
McQuillan
Cumiskey
Connaire Mackin
McPartlan
Turbitt
Hall
McConville
Conaty
Would it be fair to say Armagh don't know what their strongest team is? Every time I see an Armagh 15 there are changes -McCambridge, McQuillan, Connaire Mackin, McPartlan Turbitt, Hall - feel like all these lads have either started or been very involved in recent games, hard to build chemistry with so much chopping and changing.
Few teams stick to an exact 15 week in week out but there is a fair degree with continuity with almost all variations explained by knocks. Not sure when you saw McQuillan or Connaire Mackin named or drafted in before throwing but I'm sure you will fill us in on the deets
Yeah tbf you've called my bluff a little bit :) in mcquillans case, any time he's come on I've thought he should potentially be starting (which is why I've said "has been very involved") and as an outsider I could well have been confusing the two mackin's but I had thought I had seen potential in connaire, though I maybe I'm wrong. I think the point probably stands though. If we're saying Galway, Kerry and Dublin are the three front runners you could name 12-13 of their starters with reasonable certainty, I always find when an Armagh teamsheet is named it can be a guessing game as to who is in or out.
I Used to feel the same about Roscommon maybe 3 or 4 years ago - you'd never know whether both murtaghs or both smiths (even the dalys sometimes) would be starting, but now they seem reasonably settled and I think its standing to them.
Your post(s) don't make any sense.
Armagh name fairly consistent teams. Max of 3 changes and usually less that that. Massive consistency. Probably the side in Ireland most likely to start the named team. The premise of your posts seems freaky.
Because you think MCQuillan has done well when he comes on that in your opinion constitutes evidence that Armagh don't know their strongest team!! You are really going to talk me through the sequencing of your logic there?
Your other evidence being a confusion between 2 players ( one that has consistently started and one that consistently hasn't).
It's possible, just possible that your posts are utter gibberish and without a scintilla of merit?
Quote from: rrhf on May 26, 2023, 04:35:11 PM
I can see the Armagh ones are losing the run of themselves again. In fairness they have a great ability to have games won before they are played. I'd usually always support the Ulster team but the disrespect shown to Westmeath is remarkable...
;)
No-one biting yet 🤫
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Quote from: rrhf on May 26, 2023, 04:35:11 PM
I can see the Armagh ones are losing the run of themselves again. In fairness they have a great ability to have games won before they are played. I'd usually always support the Ulster team but the disrespect shown to Westmeath is remarkable...
;)
No-one biting yet 🤫
He will be getting restless. He would have been really hoping for a nibble at least by this stage. I suppose it's an occupational hazard of trolling.
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Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
Armagh team:
Rafferty
Morgan
Mckay
Forker
McCabe
C O'Neill
J Burns
Crealey
Ciaran Mackin
Grugan
Duffy
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Nugent
Subs:
Magill (GK)
Higgins
McCambridge
McQuillan
Cumiskey
Connaire Mackin
McPartlan
Turbitt
Hall
McConville
Conaty
Would it be fair to say Armagh don't know what their strongest team is? Every time I see an Armagh 15 there are changes -McCambridge, McQuillan, Connaire Mackin, McPartlan Turbitt, Hall - feel like all these lads have either started or been very involved in recent games, hard to build chemistry with so much chopping and changing.
Few teams stick to an exact 15 week in week out but there is a fair degree with continuity with almost all variations explained by knocks. Not sure when you saw McQuillan or Connaire Mackin named or drafted in before throwing but I'm sure you will fill us in on the deets
Yeah tbf you've called my bluff a little bit :) in mcquillans case, any time he's come on I've thought he should potentially be starting (which is why I've said "has been very involved") and as an outsider I could well have been confusing the two mackin's but I had thought I had seen potential in connaire, though I maybe I'm wrong. I think the point probably stands though. If we're saying Galway, Kerry and Dublin are the three front runners you could name 12-13 of their starters with reasonable certainty, I always find when an Armagh teamsheet is named it can be a guessing game as to who is in or out.
I Used to feel the same about Roscommon maybe 3 or 4 years ago - you'd never know whether both murtaghs or both smiths (even the dalys sometimes) would be starting, but now they seem reasonably settled and I think its standing to them.
Your post(s) don't make any sense.
Armagh name fairly consistent teams. Max of 3 changes and usually less that that. Massive consistency. Probably the side in Ireland most likely to start the named team. The premise of your posts seems freaky.
Because you think MCQuillan has done well when he comes on that in your opinion constitutes evidence that Armagh don't know their strongest team!! You are really going to talk me through the sequencing of your logic there?
Your other evidence being a confusion between 2 players ( one that has consistently started and one that consistently hasn't).
It's possible, just possible that your posts are utter gibberish and without a scintilla of merit?
Alright pal chill - I was only asking a question as to whether Armagh people think the lineups have been changeable - not saying this makes them a good or a bad team just looking for opinion.
anyway now you've gone and made me do some research (which I know already is going to be shot down citing injuries etc but sure isnt the point of forums to throw out some discussion)
vs Antrim - mccambridge/mcpartlan/hall/turbitt all started. (Tiernan Kelly also - no need to tell me - I'll presume he's currently injured)
vs cavan - mcpartlan/hall/turbitt start
vs down - same again - mcpartlan/hall/turbitt start
vs derry - mcpartlan/mccambridge/turbitt
I'm not trying to pull off some gotcha here, just wondering what ye think. is it horses for courses? is it injury? has halls form dropped? is it that soupy has to start? looking above I get the feeling there'll be 1-2 changes before throw in ;D
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Quote from: UpMeeyo on May 26, 2023, 04:36:48 PM
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Quote from: UpMeeyo on May 26, 2023, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: statto on May 26, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
Armagh team:
Rafferty
Morgan
Mckay
Forker
McCabe
C O'Neill
J Burns
Crealey
Ciaran Mackin
Grugan
Duffy
Campbell
Murnin
R O'Neill
Nugent
Subs:
Magill (GK)
Higgins
McCambridge
McQuillan
Cumiskey
Connaire Mackin
McPartlan
Turbitt
Hall
McConville
Conaty
Would it be fair to say Armagh don't know what their strongest team is? Every time I see an Armagh 15 there are changes -McCambridge, McQuillan, Connaire Mackin, McPartlan Turbitt, Hall - feel like all these lads have either started or been very involved in recent games, hard to build chemistry with so much chopping and changing.
Few teams stick to an exact 15 week in week out but there is a fair degree with continuity with almost all variations explained by knocks. Not sure when you saw McQuillan or Connaire Mackin named or drafted in before throwing but I'm sure you will fill us in on the deets
Yeah tbf you've called my bluff a little bit :) in mcquillans case, any time he's come on I've thought he should potentially be starting (which is why I've said "has been very involved") and as an outsider I could well have been confusing the two mackin's but I had thought I had seen potential in connaire, though I maybe I'm wrong. I think the point probably stands though. If we're saying Galway, Kerry and Dublin are the three front runners you could name 12-13 of their starters with reasonable certainty, I always find when an Armagh teamsheet is named it can be a guessing game as to who is in or out.
I Used to feel the same about Roscommon maybe 3 or 4 years ago - you'd never know whether both murtaghs or both smiths (even the dalys sometimes) would be starting, but now they seem reasonably settled and I think its standing to them.
Your post(s) don't make any sense.
Armagh name fairly consistent teams. Max of 3 changes and usually less that that. Massive consistency. Probably the side in Ireland most likely to start the named team. The premise of your posts seems freaky.
Because you think MCQuillan has done well when he comes on that in your opinion constitutes evidence that Armagh don't know their strongest team!! You are really going to talk me through the sequencing of your logic there?
Your other evidence being a confusion between 2 players ( one that has consistently started and one that consistently hasn't).
It's possible, just possible that your posts are utter gibberish and without a scintilla of merit?
Alright pal chill - I was only asking a question as to whether Armagh people think the lineups have been changeable - not saying this makes them a good or a bad team just looking for opinion.
anyway now you've gone and made me do some research (which I know already is going to be shot down citing injuries etc but sure isnt the point of forums to throw out some discussion)
vs Antrim - mccambridge/mcpartlan/hall/turbitt all started. (Tiernan Kelly also - no need to tell me - I'll presume he's currently injured)
vs cavan - mcpartlan/hall/turbitt start
vs down - same again - mcpartlan/hall/turbitt start
vs derry - mcpartlan/mccambridge/turbitt
I'm not trying to pull off some gotcha here, just wondering what ye think. is it horses for courses? is it injury? has halls form dropped? is it that soupy has to start? looking above I get the feeling there'll be 1-2 changes before throw in ;D
Few injuries contributed to a lot of changes, Rian who is obviously nailed on to start was injured vs Antrim and only fit to come off the bench vs Cavan. McCambridge and Jarly Og have been out with illness as well at different stages. Hall wasnt even on panel for Ulster final as he was injured. Turbitt has had 2 great games and 2 poor ones so has been dropped which is fair enough and why you have a panel. Team named is probably our strongest available at the minute or very close to it.
Will tickets be on sale tomorrow for Tyrone v Armagh?
Will they all be available online?
Quote from: Orior on May 29, 2023, 12:08:41 AM
Will tickets be on sale tomorrow for Tyrone v Armagh?
Will they all be available online?
They have been available for several days.
Westmeath were very unfortunate to not get at least a point on Saturday, can they bring the same level of performance on their home patch this weekend to try and stifle Galway? We are well warned either way, need to go at this in a professional manner and ideally get any notion of a shock out of the way as early as possible, might be difficult to achieve though, Galway are erring much more on the keep it tight and try to grind out results at the moment.
Last championship match up was 2006 and what a dark day that was at the time. Westmeath were a decent team then in fairness, and as the years went on it turned out to be far from the worst day for the footballers.
Only Galway and Armagh managed to get a win out of all the provincial finalists in the first round of matches, given that all had home advantage (Louth situation obviously a wrinkle there) that is really surprising.
Westmeath's ambush potential is gone. I was impressed with them v Armagh, I thought they were sharp with a few tasty forwards on display. Don't see anything other than a Galway win tho.
Conversely I wasn't impressed with them at all and think they will need to improve significantly for this weekend. I can't see anything other than a comfortable Galway win.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 29, 2023, 12:01:32 PM
Conversely I wasn't impressed with them at all and think they will need to improve significantly for this weekend. I can't see anything other than a comfortable Galway win.
They're a decent team and deserved at least a draw, but Jesus we were awful. They've some decent footballers, big Heslin is class, Loughlin a good player too and the centre half forward. Don't think they'll get a close to Galway as they did to us though. Galway to win pulling up
Armagh carried that hangover from the Ulster final into the match which was not totally unexpected but at least we still somehow managed to eke out a win when we probably looked like a beaten side. The pattern of goals scored coming from last ditch long hopeful balls should tell us something about this team but we still persist with the slow, passive structured build up. Look at previous goals we scored against Donegal and Galway in last years championship and against Galway, Down and Westmeath this season and they have nearly all come from long balls or mishit shots kicked in. We are creating almost zero goal chances from the structured running game. The one major positive is that we managed to come out on the right side of a tight match for a change to hopefully guarantee a place in the last 12. But we are still a very hard watch with our reluctance to press up and play a more energetic direct game. I'd be hopeful that the sight of Tyrone jersey this week will be enough to reignite our season though. They haven't won a meaningful match since the AI final in 2021 and are under huge pressure themselves so if we can come out of Omagh with a win it could help do something similar for us than last seasons win over them.
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Quote from: David McKeown on May 29, 2023, 12:01:32 PM
Conversely I wasn't impressed with them at all and think they will need to improve significantly for this weekend. I can't see anything other than a comfortable Galway win.
They're a decent team and deserved at least a draw, but Jesus we were awful. They've some decent footballers, big Heslin is class, Loughlin a good player too and the centre half forward. Don't think they'll get a close to Galway as they did to us though. Galway to win pulling up
I don't agree. I thought both teams deserved to lose but Armagh were awful tactically and Westmeath still couldn't get over the line. I think any kind of decent team yesterday would have beaten Armagh out of the gate but Westmeath kept them in it. Then couldn't respond even when gifted easy chances late on.
For large parts of yesterday Armagh didn't get press Westmeath who simply played keep ball. Conversely when Armagh put the pressure on they turned them over easily. When the pressure of the clock came Westmeath again wilted missing two easy chances.
I genuinely think there's an oh look plucky division 3 Westmeath thing going on. I can't see them giving Tyrone or Galway a game. Both of whom are a better than Armagh this year and b couldn't play as badly.
3 things pissed me off about Armagh at the weekend.
1. Kickouts. Both theirs and ours. We have no plan, no runners looking the ball and Raffertys kicks themselves are ropey at times.
2. Not engaging/pressing up on the opposition, someone posted on the other forum that Westmeath held the ball for something like 14 minutes in the second half in total going back and forward. Surely we could have got contact on a man.
3. Playing Rian O'Neill inside and not kicking the f**king ball to him. One of the best players about, so if you're leaving him in close to goal you need to sicken him with the ball or else get him out the field to get involved. Yes they had a sweeper in but move the ball quick enough and theres not much a sweeper can do.
Never seen so little interest in a "championship " game between Tyrone and Armagh.
Tells you everything you need to know about the new format.
I suspect that neither set of supporters are particularly confident going into it so neither want to say too much...
It's an interesting one.
Don't really fancy us at all going into this one and still suffering from Ulster final blues.
I do wonder do Tyrone fans think the same on their team hence the silence here.
Armagh have been under the microscope a bit more due to the number of games we've played but I think Tyrone are under more pressure than Armagh to get a result here. They haven't won a meaningful match since they won the AI title and have suffered a lot of player defections since then. If we can beat them here then they will be needing to beat Westmeath to make the last 12 which is certainly no given. I wouldn't be totally confident of beating them but I think its a good time to play them and a good match to try and reignite our season. There was very little between the 2 sides in the League encounter when we were missing Rian O'Neill and Murnin and I don't expect there will be much in this match either.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 30, 2023, 11:10:07 AM
Never seen so little interest in a "championship " game between Tyrone and Armagh.
Tells you everything you need to know about the new format.
I suppose there has never been an Armagh and Tyrone championship game where both sides have already lost a game and can lose this one too and still progress. No surprise in that respect that the build up feels less intense and I suspect the match will too in comparison to some of the clashes of the past. That said, I'm sure it will be hectic enough when Saturday evening comes around.
Once again hard to know where Tyrone really are. League was up and down, Monaghan game in Ulster was up and down, even Galway game had positives but undermined completely by poor discipline. And then further questions since with more departures from panel. Tyrone were in a position in 2021 where they could have got even better. Unfortunately they have gone the other way. Still well capable of beating anyone if they get their tails up but it's extremely hard to see them doing that over a few games now. And they could just as easily lose the next two and exit before the knockout.
I'm still not entirely sure about Armagh either. Didn't beat anybody of note to reach Ulster final and I felt that was a poor quality encounter too. Perhaps Saturday will see them find a bit of spark and catapult themselves on for a few weeks but I do wonder is this a clash between one side who have dropped out of the elite pack and another who aren't going to be capable of getting into that group.
I suppose Tyrone fans are mirroring their team in that they've not done much recently to get excited about.
The 2021 win was well celebrated but that huge fan hunger seems to have abated and the passion isn't there any more.
A lot of the current team have been there for years and maybe aren't enjoying their football as much as they used to. They only seem to play well when backed into a corner or when they fancy it.
There were even signs of this in the 2021 final when they went long periods without scoring.
Armagh however had a good run last year and their fans found something to cheer about.
That chaotic comeback v Galway was typical of what they can do and they felt they can match it with the top teams again.
I think their performance v Derry in the final showed they are still at a decent level and in my eyes capable of getting to the quarters.
I'm hoping Tyrone finally show their hand on Saturday and if the sight of the orange men in Omagh don't wake them up, nothing will.
Tyrone are better than Armagh.
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 02:00:04 PM
Tyrone are better than Armagh.
definitely not much between them
Any truth in Tyrone panel members playing club football over the weekend just gone ?
I think we are on a sticky wicket here, go full pelt and get beat and there's another pick me up required for Galway. I'm honestly not sure we'd be any worse off by tanking both games and concentrating on the preliminary QF. It's not going to happen tho but the 'professional' approach would be to play the percentages and do just that. It'll be clearer after this weekend I suppose, we could be vying for top spot or anxiously watching Westmeath's last game, Westmeath not being whipping boys could certainly complicate things.
This Ulster Final hang-over thingy.
So when Nugent was shooting for a point, mid-kick he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and then kicked it into the keeper's hand?
Near the end of the game, as Rafferty was kicking the ball out he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and kicked it into the hands of a Westmeath player?
Hmmm, not sure.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 30, 2023, 02:31:17 PM
I think we are on a sticky wicket here, go full pelt and get beat and there's another pick me up required for Galway. I'm honestly not sure we'd be any worse off by tanking both games and concentrating on the preliminary QF. It's not going to happen tho but the 'professional' approach would be to play the percentages and do just that. It'll be clearer after this weekend I suppose, we could be vying for top spot or anxiously watching Westmeath's last game, Westmeath not being whipping boys could certainly complicate things.
Sounds like a ridiculous idea. If Armagh win one of the two games they'll finish second in the group. That will give them a home tie and avoid Kerry and Dublin/Roscommon in the preliminary quarter finals. If they win both games they'd be straight into the quarter final.
Lose both and they will at best come third in the group (could even go out if Westmeath beat Tyrone). That will mean an away tie to Kerry or Dublin/Roscommon or Derry/Monaghan.
There's 3 weeks from the Tyrone game to the preliminary quarter finals.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 30, 2023, 02:31:17 PM
I think we are on a sticky wicket here, go full pelt and get beat and there's another pick me up required for Galway. I'm honestly not sure we'd be any worse off by tanking both games and concentrating on the preliminary QF. It's not going to happen tho but the 'professional' approach would be to play the percentages and do just that. It'll be clearer after this weekend I suppose, we could be vying for top spot or anxiously watching Westmeath's last game, Westmeath not being whipping boys could certainly complicate things.
I dont think we can afford to tank any game. Say Tyrone give us a trimming this weekend and WM pull off a shock result against Galway, we would be in bother going in to the final game
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Quote from: bennydorano on May 30, 2023, 02:31:17 PM
I think we are on a sticky wicket here, go full pelt and get beat and there's another pick me up required for Galway. I'm honestly not sure we'd be any worse off by tanking both games and concentrating on the preliminary QF. It's not going to happen tho but the 'professional' approach would be to play the percentages and do just that. It'll be clearer after this weekend I suppose, we could be vying for top spot or anxiously watching Westmeath's last game, Westmeath not being whipping boys could certainly complicate things.
I dont think we can afford to tank any game. Say Tyrone give us a trimming this weekend and WM pull off a shock result against Galway, we would be in bother going in to the final game
If Tyrone gave Armagh a trimming this weekend and knew Galway were beating Armagh well on the last day they could afford to lose narrowly to Westmeath and still come second whilst knocking Armagh out.
Quote from: Orior on May 30, 2023, 02:36:28 PM
This Ulster Final hang-over thingy.
So when Nugent was shooting for a point, mid-kick he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and then kicked it into the keeper's hand?
Near the end of the game, as Rafferty was kicking the ball out he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and kicked it into the hands of a Westmeath player?
Hmmm, not sure.
Nugent after his displays this season will be doing well to see any game time this week, form has fallen off a cliff and the fact that hes joint captain probably got him the start the last day. The use of Conaty has been strange, he quit full time soccer with portadown didn't see any meaningful gametime during the league then hes sprung from the bench in an ulster final and gets no minutes again last week when chasing the game for the most part. Use of Cian McConville or lack of also strange given how poor Nugent has been.
Quote from: Orior on May 30, 2023, 02:36:28 PM
This Ulster Final hang-over thingy.
So when Nugent was shooting for a point, mid-kick he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and then kicked it into the keeper's hand?
Near the end of the game, as Rafferty was kicking the ball out he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and kicked it into the hands of a Westmeath player?
Hmmm, not sure.
I'm not sure anyone claimed that poor skill execution had anything to do with an Ulster final hangover. However there is no doubt in my mind that there was some mental fatigue carried over from that match. Players are not totally immune to the what ifs and post mortems that will have circulated since the Ulster final.
would keep soupy on the bench
changes
i would give mc quillan, cumisky and turbit a chance
lets go for it
nc cambridge and mc partland to also start
rafferty
mc kay, forker mc cabe
o neill, mc cambridge, burns
mackin and mc partland
grugan, o neill, cumiskey
turbitt, murnin mc quillan
run at them and use quick ball,
Quote from: Orior on May 30, 2023, 02:36:28 PM
This Ulster Final hang-over thingy.
So when Nugent was shooting for a point, mid-kick he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and then kicked it into the keeper's hand?
Near the end of the game, as Rafferty was kicking the ball out he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and kicked it into the hands of a Westmeath player?
Hmmm, not sure.
Ulster Final hang-over is code for Geezer
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 04:19:17 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 30, 2023, 02:36:28 PM
This Ulster Final hang-over thingy.
So when Nugent was shooting for a point, mid-kick he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and then kicked it into the keeper's hand?
Near the end of the game, as Rafferty was kicking the ball out he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and kicked it into the hands of a Westmeath player?
Hmmm, not sure.
Ulster Final hang-over is code for Geezer
Wasnt Geezer who kicked the ball into the keepers hands or out over the sideline
While Conor O'Neill us an automatic choice in my defence I didn't think him at CHB worked that great. Its glaringly obvious that McCabe is our best option at CHB. I expressed doubts about McCambridge's pace during the NFL & i thought he looked exposed on Saturday tbh. The thoughts of him picking up a Canavan or McCurry gives me the chills.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 30, 2023, 03:44:22 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 30, 2023, 02:36:28 PM
This Ulster Final hang-over thingy.
So when Nugent was shooting for a point, mid-kick he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and then kicked it into the keeper's hand?
Near the end of the game, as Rafferty was kicking the ball out he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and kicked it into the hands of a Westmeath player?
Hmmm, not sure.
I'm not sure anyone claimed that poor skill execution had anything to do with an Ulster final hangover. However there is no doubt in my mind that there was some mental fatigue carried over from that match. Players are not totally immune to the what ifs and post mortems that will have circulated since the Ulster final.
Not an excuse for a sub par performance last weekend but the manner of the Ulster final defeat was devastating for the players and I wouldn't be surprised if few of them at least didn't want to see a football for a while.
Quote from: statto on May 30, 2023, 03:01:26 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 30, 2023, 02:36:28 PM
This Ulster Final hang-over thingy.
So when Nugent was shooting for a point, mid-kick he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and then kicked it into the keeper's hand?
Near the end of the game, as Rafferty was kicking the ball out he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and kicked it into the hands of a Westmeath player?
Hmmm, not sure.
Nugent after his displays this season will be doing well to see any game time this week, form has fallen off a cliff and the fact that hes joint captain probably got him the start the last day. The use of Conaty has been strange, he quit full time soccer with portadown didn't see any meaningful gametime during the league then hes sprung from the bench in an ulster final and gets no minutes again last week when chasing the game for the most part. Use of Cian McConville or lack of also strange given how poor Nugent has been.
I'm actually surprised McConville has remained in the squad as i am sure he is ragin.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 31, 2023, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: statto on May 30, 2023, 03:01:26 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 30, 2023, 02:36:28 PM
This Ulster Final hang-over thingy.
So when Nugent was shooting for a point, mid-kick he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and then kicked it into the keeper's hand?
Near the end of the game, as Rafferty was kicking the ball out he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and kicked it into the hands of a Westmeath player?
Hmmm, not sure.
Nugent after his displays this season will be doing well to see any game time this week, form has fallen off a cliff and the fact that hes joint captain probably got him the start the last day. The use of Conaty has been strange, he quit full time soccer with portadown didn't see any meaningful gametime during the league then hes sprung from the bench in an ulster final and gets no minutes again last week when chasing the game for the most part. Use of Cian McConville or lack of also strange given how poor Nugent has been.
I'm actually surprised McConville has remained in the squad as i am sure he is ragin.
He has been around the squad a few years now yet I don't recall him playing very much at all. You can look at that a few different ways. He has been arguably the best club footballer in Armagh for the last 2 seasons and should be getting a chance. He isn't producing in training and isn't up to the level of a senior inter county footballer. Or he just doesn't fit the profile of footballer required to fit into the Armagh game plan. I think it is probably the latter as I think he is a very talented footballer.
Nugent has been below par all season but he is a stronger, physical more robust player who will work backwards. Duffy and Hall are other players who can do the defensive work required in Armaghs system. Both players have been decent during this championship and it is a very unglamorous role that they fulfill yet supporters still expect them to kick 2 or 3 points a game when they have a forwards jersey on their backs.
Think Nugent has lost a burst of pace which is making him easier to mark.
Mc quillan and turbitt need to start and play rian on the forty .
Would swap Duffy and play cumisky also
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2023, 11:38:42 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 31, 2023, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: statto on May 30, 2023, 03:01:26 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 30, 2023, 02:36:28 PM
This Ulster Final hang-over thingy.
So when Nugent was shooting for a point, mid-kick he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and then kicked it into the keeper's hand?
Near the end of the game, as Rafferty was kicking the ball out he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and kicked it into the hands of a Westmeath player?
Hmmm, not sure.
Nugent after his displays this season will be doing well to see any game time this week, form has fallen off a cliff and the fact that hes joint captain probably got him the start the last day. The use of Conaty has been strange, he quit full time soccer with portadown didn't see any meaningful gametime during the league then hes sprung from the bench in an ulster final and gets no minutes again last week when chasing the game for the most part. Use of Cian McConville or lack of also strange given how poor Nugent has been.
I'm actually surprised McConville has remained in the squad as i am sure he is ragin.
He has been around the squad a few years now yet I don't recall him playing very much at all. You can look at that a few different ways. He has been arguably the best club footballer in Armagh for the last 2 seasons and should be getting a chance. He isn't producing in training and isn't up to the level of a senior inter county footballer. Or he just doesn't fit the profile of footballer required to fit into the Armagh game plan. I think it is probably the latter as I think he is a very talented footballer.
Nugent has been below par all season but he is a stronger, physical more robust player who will work backwards. Duffy and Hall are other players who can do the defensive work required in Armaghs system. Both players have been decent during this championship and it is a very unglamorous role that they fulfill yet supporters still expect them to kick 2 or 3 points a game when they have a forwards jersey on their backs.
I'd be giving Cian his chance. Has the ability so throw him in.
Duffy and Hall get through a crazy amount of work that you probably only appreciate when you're there
Galway are the only team in the Sam Maguire to win all championship matches so far.
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This Ulster Final hang-over thingy.
So when Nugent was shooting for a point, mid-kick he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and then kicked it into the keeper's hand?
Near the end of the game, as Rafferty was kicking the ball out he thought "ah the Ulster Final" and kicked it into the hands of a Westmeath player?
Hmmm, not sure.
Nugent after his displays this season will be doing well to see any game time this week, form has fallen off a cliff and the fact that hes joint captain probably got him the start the last day. The use of Conaty has been strange, he quit full time soccer with portadown didn't see any meaningful gametime during the league then hes sprung from the bench in an ulster final and gets no minutes again last week when chasing the game for the most part. Use of Cian McConville or lack of also strange given how poor Nugent has been.
I'm actually surprised McConville has remained in the squad as i am sure he is ragin.
He has been around the squad a few years now yet I don't recall him playing very much at all. You can look at that a few different ways. He has been arguably the best club footballer in Armagh for the last 2 seasons and should be getting a chance. He isn't producing in training and isn't up to the level of a senior inter county footballer. Or he just doesn't fit the profile of footballer required to fit into the Armagh game plan. I think it is probably the latter as I think he is a very talented footballer.
Nugent has been below par all season but he is a stronger, physical more robust player who will work backwards. Duffy and Hall are other players who can do the defensive work required in Armaghs system. Both players have been decent during this championship and it is a very unglamorous role that they fulfill yet supporters still expect them to kick 2 or 3 points a game when they have a forwards jersey on their backs.
I'd be giving Cian his chance. Has the ability so throw him in.
Duffy and Hall get through a crazy amount of work that you probably only appreciate when you're there
I thought Duffy was excellent in the 1st half v Westmeath
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Galway are the only team in the Sam Maguire to win all championship matches so far.
Long may that streak continue!
Have only played 3 matches to be fair though.
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Galway are the only team in the Sam Maguire to win all championship matches so far.
Long may that streak continue!
Have only played 3 matches to be fair though.
Very few expected Kerry to lose and Derry and Dublin to draw
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Hernon in as Dylan McHugh out with injury. Sticking with McDaid at 7, I know plenty aren't a fan of it but I can see the logic.
Cathal Sweeney very unlucky not to start but is performing really well off the bench. Not sure about dropping Maher out of the 15 although Conroy and Cooke were two of the top performers last time out in fairness.
Nice to see Mulkerrin return to the squad, has been a long road back for him.
Hopefully a good performance Saturday, weather conditions won't be a problem this weekend.
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Hernon in as Dylan McHugh out with injury. Sticking with McDaid at 7, I know plenty aren't a fan of it but I can see the logic.
Cathal Sweeney very unlucky not to start but is performing really well off the bench. Not sure about dropping Maher out of the 15 although Conroy and Cooke were two of the top performers last time out in fairness.
Nice to see Mulkerrin return to the squad, has been a long road back for him.
Hopefully a good performance Saturday, weather conditions won't be a problem this weekend.
Jesus I hate to say it but that panel is off the charts with talent , won't be beat this year . I have them backed before I'm accused of form of yerra . Got them @ 13/2 a couple of weeks back .the winnings will help soften the blow
Jack Glynn named to start suggests his injury against Tyrone wasn't as bad as feared.
Sub #18 is also great news
Brilliant to see Mulkerrin back in the match day panel. It's been a long and very tough road back for that lad.
Sure has. He adds to the strength in depth
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Jesus I hate to say it but that panel is off the charts with talent , won't be beat this year . I have them backed before I'm accused of form of yerra . Got them @ 13/2 a couple of weeks back .the winnings will help soften the blow
Yeah tis like looking at a Dublin 6 in a row match day panel in their pomp alright.
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Stop the lights Larry, you are some ticket.
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Jesus I hate to say it but that panel is off the charts with talent , won't be beat this year . I have them backed before I'm accused of form of yerra . Got them @ 13/2 a couple of weeks back .the winnings will help soften the blow
Yeah tis like looking at a Dublin 6 in a row match day panel in their pomp alright.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Stop the lights Larry, you are some ticket.
Haha yeah exactly. Galway fans might know that Fitz was really solid in the league or know of Tomo's talent but I doubt too many outsiders do. I'd say many look at our subs list and say "I thought they were supposed to have added depth??" To be honest, they wouldn't be fully wrong, I think we have a very good 20 or so but there 4 or so there that have no hope of seeing significant gametime this year
A return of McHugh, Eoghan Kelly and potentially Molloy would make it look a lot stronger, hopefully they're all reasonably close. Patrick Kelly would be a great option as cover for one of Tierney/Cooke but is struggling with his back I think.
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Jesus I hate to say it but that panel is off the charts with talent , won't be beat this year . I have them backed before I'm accused of form of yerra . Got them @ 13/2 a couple of weeks back .the winnings will help soften the blow
Yeah tis like looking at a Dublin 6 in a row match day panel in their pomp alright.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Stop the lights Larry, you are some ticket.
Haha yeah exactly. Galway fans might know that Fitz was really solid in the league or know of Tomo's talent but I doubt too many outsiders do. I'd say many look at our subs list and say "I thought they were supposed to have added depth??" To be honest, they wouldn't be fully wrong, I think we have a very good 20 or so but there 4 or so there that have no hope of seeing significant gametime this year
A return of McHugh, Eoghan Kelly and potentially Molloy would make it look a lot stronger, hopefully they're all reasonably close. Patrick Kelly would be a great option as cover for one of Tierney/Cooke but is struggling with his back I think.
Eoghan Kelly has played for the club in at least one league game recently anyway according to Sean og de Papr on the Backdoor Gaa podcast so hopefully is nearly there.
Not sure what th extent of Dylan McHughs injury is.
On another note - anyone recommend somewhere to have a bit of lunch and a beer in Mullingar before the game?
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Jesus I hate to say it but that panel is off the charts with talent , won't be beat this year . I have them backed before I'm accused of form of yerra . Got them @ 13/2 a couple of weeks back .the winnings will help soften the blow
Yeah tis like looking at a Dublin 6 in a row match day panel in their pomp alright.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Stop the lights Larry, you are some ticket.
Haha yeah exactly. Galway fans might know that Fitz was really solid in the league or know of Tomo's talent but I doubt too many outsiders do. I'd say many look at our subs list and say "I thought they were supposed to have added depth??" To be honest, they wouldn't be fully wrong, I think we have a very good 20 or so but there 4 or so there that have no hope of seeing significant gametime this year
A return of McHugh, Eoghan Kelly and potentially Molloy would make it look a lot stronger, hopefully they're all reasonably close. Patrick Kelly would be a great option as cover for one of Tierney/Cooke but is struggling with his back I think.
Eoghan Kelly has played for the club in at least one league game recently anyway according to Sean og de Papr on the Backdoor Gaa podcast so hopefully is nearly there.
Not sure what th extent of Dylan McHughs injury is.
On another note - anyone recommend somewhere to have a bit of lunch and a beer in Mullingar before the game?
Theres a pub fairly close to the ground which is good for both. Cant remember its name but its on the main street. You walk up a side alley beside the pub and the ground is more or less there
A surprise score line at half time Westmeath 0-7 Galway 0-6.
Cmon the Westies!!
12 minutes into the 2nd half Westmeath 0-10 Galway 0-09.
Westmeath down to 14 men with two yellows. Galway take the lead for the first time on 53 and now two ahead
Westmeath down to 14 with Ray Connellan on second yellow.
Comer is on.
Galway ahead by 1 .
Jesus David Brady wasnt far wrong.
15-12 now to Galway with 7 left
5 in it now. 17 -12
Result Westmeath 0-12 Galway 0-20. Tribesmen closed the game out well once Westmeath had a man sent off.
It was a very passive and pedestrian performance by our lads for the most part.
I thought we had begun to get into it before the sending off.
Once that happened we took control.
Maher & Comer were immense off the bench.
Finnerty off early injured and Walsh was hobbling for the whole second half before being taken off.
An eight point win flatters us - albeit we did have at least four goal chances whilst not coughing up any at the other end.
We'll take the win and move on.
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Result Westmeath 0-12 Galway 0-20. Tribesmen closed the game out well once Westmeath had a man sent off.
Story of Galway in this group so far!
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It was a very passive and pedestrian performance by our lads for the most part.
I thought we had begun to get into it before the sending off.
Once that happened we took control.
Maher & Comer were immense off the bench.
Finnerty off early injured and Walsh was hobbling for the whole second half before being taken off.
An eight point win flatters us - albeit we did have at least four goal chances whilst not coughing up any at the other end.
We'll take the win and move on.
Knocks beginning to pile up a bit now. Was always a risk in this format. Probably Cooke's best game since he came back as well.
Galway could play their hurlers next week and still beat that shambolic armagh team.
Strange to say we had 3 or 4 top class performances and yet it was a poor display overall. Shows that others were well off the pace, and as a whole, the team is just a bit disjointed at present.
Sending off made a difference, but we were getting on top at that point and would've won regardless. That still doesn't change the fact that Westmeath were probably better for the first 45 mins. For all the talk about our 'control', we still keep kicking ball away.
Cooke and McGrath were immense. Comer and Maher made a savage difference once they came on. Kelly had a good first half and Hernon shook off a shaky first half to get two good scores. Not sure anyone else can be satisfied with their performance.
Hard to know where we are. Keep winning games but bar the odd good half here and there (Monaghan second half, Roscommon first half, Kerry game), I'm not sure we've put in a very good performance all season. You can take positives or negatives from it though, depending on your outlook
Important to note the 5 missed goal chances though (and zero for Westmeath). Had 1 or 2 of those gone in, I suppose the narrative would be different. Not the first time this season we've been incredibly wasteful
If westmeath were to beat Tyrone and say galway beat armagh is it purely down to score difference. At the same time if armagh and westmeath win is it head to head to determine placings
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Galway could play their hurlers next week and still beat that shambolic armagh team.
The hurls might come in handy for that game.
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I think we are on a sticky wicket here, go full pelt and get beat and there's another pick me up required for Galway. I'm honestly not sure we'd be any worse off by tanking both games and concentrating on the preliminary QF. It's not going to happen tho but the 'professional' approach would be to play the percentages and do just that. It'll be clearer after this weekend I suppose, we could be vying for top spot or anxiously watching Westmeath's last game, Westmeath not being whipping boys could certainly complicate things.
Fully expect to run Galway very close but lose narrowly - burning more matches we can't afford. We're going to be in shitty mental shape come the preliminary qf - assuming we make it.
Galway v Armagh the next day is such a weird game. Unless Armagh think Tyrone may lay an egg v Westmeath (possible because Westmeath are decent), they're completely booked for third. Galway need to take it semi serious incase they get beat and and Tyrone run the score up on Westmeath, but still it's hard to imagine they'll be gung ho in a situation of ifs and buts. Armagh missing their best player also, which probably puts paid to the idea it'll be in Croker in front of a big crowd. Very odd situation
Westmeath surely have nothing to play for / they would need to beat Tyrone by 8 points which would be unlikely
If Armagh win, a Westmeath win would see them through.
Westmeath were unlucky to land in that group. They probably would have gotten points out of Clare and maybe Donegal or Cork and Louth
Another match severely compromised by a sending off due to a stupid foul. Armagh played well in the second half. I suppose these matches are for learning as much as practice. They will have strengthened Tyrone and given Armagh something to think about. The all Ireland is very open this year.
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If Armagh win, a Westmeath win would see them through.
If Galway beat Armagh by at least 8 points and Westmeath beat Tyrone I think Westmeath would qualify too-
If westmeath beat Tyrone by 4 then there'll level on scoring difference and points with Tyrone. 5 point win will do them
Not a fan of the non knock out system. To me the game had the feeling of a dead rubber with each team taking notions at times.
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Not a fan of the non knock out system. To me the game had the feeling of a dead rubber with each team taking notions at times.
That may reflect the uselessness of the teams as much as anything. It seems to me that a home preliminary QF is worth some effort.
If results go as expected and say 1.Galway 2.Tyrone 3. Armagh 4. Westmeath
does that mean Tyrone will be home to cork & Kerry home to Armagh?
Or is it random draw for the preliminary games?
Random draw but avoiding games from provincial finals or teams from same group if possible.
So in the above scenario Tyrone could possibly meet Kildare, Cork or Donegal if they finish third in their groups as it currently looks like.
Any idea when the date/time of the last round of games will be confirmed?
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Any idea when the date/time of the last round of games will be confirmed?
Tomorrow.
Seems to be flying around that Mayo v cork is in tullamore along with dubs v Sligo . Galway v Armagh in croker with Derry match I think . Doing everything they can to give Galway an advantage in a year where they are expected to win it out anyway by many pundits .
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Seems to be flying around that Mayo v cork is in tullamore along with dubs v Sligo . Galway v Armagh in croker with Derry match I think . Doing everything they can to give Galway an advantage in a year where they are expected to win it out anyway by many pundits .
Derry game won't be in Croke Pk surely? Carrick / Sligo most likely. Much would a double header in CP cost??
Croke Park for a dead rubber? Doubt it. I think Armagh have accepted our fate as a 3rd seed (if all goes well), and as much as Armagh fans love a jolly, a CP fixture at this stage might feel like getting squeezed for the coin
Will the 8 games attract 50k?
Talk of group games in Croker is madness. Then again madness has often happened before......
See @Armaghfans1889 twitter account saying its Breffni for us
Absolutely zero point playing any of these games in Croker.
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Croke Park for a dead rubber? Doubt it. I think Armagh have accepted our fate as a 3rd seed (if all goes well), and as much as Armagh fans love a jolly, a CP fixture at this stage might feel like getting squeezed for the coin
Playing devils advocate, it takes 15 minutes longer to drive to Dublin than Cavan from both Galway and Armagh cities. Then there are trains and buses and the like, whereas Cavan hasn't had a train from Armagh since 30 September 1957. The admission fee may not be any different, but the quality of the seat will be better. The atmosphere wouldn't be the best though.
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Strange to say we had 3 or 4 top class performances and yet it was a poor display overall. Shows that others were well off the pace, and as a whole, the team is just a bit disjointed at present.
Sending off made a difference, but we were getting on top at that point and would've won regardless. That still doesn't change the fact that Westmeath were probably better for the first 45 mins. For all the talk about our 'control', we still keep kicking ball away.
Cooke and McGrath were immense. Comer and Maher made a savage difference once they came on. Kelly had a good first half and Hernon shook off a shaky first half to get two good scores. Not sure anyone else can be satisfied with their performance.
Hard to know where we are. Keep winning games but bar the odd good half here and there (Monaghan second half, Roscommon first half, Kerry game), I'm not sure we've put in a very good performance all season. You can take positives or negatives from it though, depending on your outlook
Important to note the 5 missed goal chances though (and zero for Westmeath). Had 1 or 2 of those gone in, I suppose the narrative would be different. Not the first time this season we've been incredibly wasteful
Very much agree with both of those observations, Galway continue to win while playing only middling at best. Westmeath looked like the team that had been in last year's All Ireland up until about 45 minutes in, the sending off was a killer for them and Galway had a big impact off the bench from Comer and Maher. The goal chance to goal conversion rate was poor again.
At no stage have Galway had everyone on the same page this year. Without Comer our attack is badly without a focal point, Walsh is way off form. Some sloppy play at times although have to credit Westmeath for this also, made Galway look bad.
Cooke was excellent even without the late scoring burst, clear MOTM. He's improved as the year has progressed, hopefully that will continue in the right direction. McGrath played well again, he a little terror out there, no fear of playing in front, his height disadvantage hasn't been exploited yet. Sweeney was good again, showing consistently every game at the minute, a player who has kicked on at IC level clearly from last year. Hernon had his best day in a Senior jersey, impressive in spurts but still ran into trouble a few times and is still finding his feet a bit. Athletically and in terms of the football in him, he clearly has a lot to offer though. I thought Loughlin gave Glynn the run around a few times, he stood out as a really good player for Westmeath.
Maher should be starting from here on out, made a power of difference in terms of line breaking when he came on and he puts himself about tackling anything that comes in his vicinity, unlucky with the goal chance as he did the right thing, just a good save, a really nice point as well. He had a bit of a down performance against Tyrone but he was missed the middle, not near the footballer Conroy is but you have to have a few hod carriers out there that are going to just get stuck in as well. A bit of a worry that Conroy's legs will be found out at as the pitches are now firmed up and playing faster, he was less of a force than springtime in the 2022 final and semi-final when the needs were most, is another year older at this stage. He still looks a rolls royce on wet, slower playing days like the Tyrone match in Salthill but on Saturday, until there was the combination of the sending off and the arrival of Maher, Cooke was fighting a bit of a lone battle getting through the work required around the pitch in the middle area. Don't want to be overly harsh as I could not speak highly enough of Conroy and what he's given to Galway football but no point in not flagging that there's a risk unless there's sufficient other lads out there to do that work for him.
Burke was poor, Culhane was even worse, there's a spot there for the taking with Finnerty's injury problems or at least to be the first forward sub in and Culhane didn't stick the hand up, Burke at least has shown well in other games. Talk of the Galway forward depth is oversold, with Finnerty injured all the time this year it's showing up that we're not as well stocked there as is made out, Burke is not going to score heavily. Galway scoring returns have been modest but enough to get the job done as not conceding much at the other end. The Mayo league final non performance up front is still bugging me however, if there's any repeat of that in any match left we'll be gone.
Shane Walsh was clearly hobbled in the 2nd half, ridiculous to have left him on as long. He has been either injured worse than let on or he is simply way out of form. Unless he gets back to near top form there's no chance Galway will get to where they want to go. Comer came on and was superb, if he had got the lobbed effort into the goal you'd nearly have had to give him MOTM for a 20 minute cameo.
Mattie Tierney gets through a mountain of work, but Galway really need him to step up and be a 3 points (at least) from play man consistently, he was well out of the game Saturday. For all the "squad improvement" if Comer and Walsh (and at the minute it's more a question of whether Walsh will have any impact) are well held, we are in serious bother. If Galway stick a couple of those goal chances, then maybe the narrative changes but we are just not clinical enough in front of the goal, it was like a repeat of the league final in terms of profligacy. Galway have a lot of improving to do really.
Must be stated that Westmeath were really good and it's so unfortunate they have nothing to show from the first two matches, should have got something against Armagh and the 8 point margin flattered Galway to an unbelievable extent. Been a good while since I was in Mullingar for a match, but it remains a fine venue with great local fans.
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Seems to be flying around that Mayo v cork is in tullamore along with dubs v Sligo . Galway v Armagh in croker with Derry match I think . Doing everything they can to give Galway an advantage in a year where they are expected to win it out anyway by many pundits .
Match will be on in Breffni Park, hopefully your seemingly constant talk about Galway's apparent march to Sam isn't as inaccurate as the rest of your predictions.
Wouldn't be happy with Breffni as a venue, a joke for Galway really given the travel distance compared to the opposition. Anywhere in South Armagh about an hour away, it's two hours from Tuam and as for travelling from West Galway forget it. I don't want to hear about the size of the Galway support base and how many might travel either way, this is an advantage that shouldn't be given in terms of venue access to Armagh.
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Wouldn't be happy with Breffni as a venue, a joke for Galway really given the travel distance compared to the opposition. Anywhere in South Armagh about an hour away, it's two hours from Tuam and as for travelling from West Galway forget it. I don't want to hear about the size of the Galway support base and how many might travel either way, this is an advantage that shouldn't be given in terms of venue access to Armagh.
What do you propose? Having it in the Hyde, that would advantage Galway just as much? Longford and Mullingar simply are too small.
Why? With the attendances to date in this round robin anything that can hold over 10k should be in play, you'd get 11,500 in Mullingar, a likely sell out and a venue that's equidistant between the counties.
Breffni is far more advantageous for Armagh, I wouldn't dream of proposing the Hyde as it would be so unfair on Armagh but why should Galway have to take their medicine on pitch location?
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 05, 2023, 10:59:32 PM
Why? With the attendances to date in this round robin anything that can hold over 10k should be in play, you'd get 11,500 in Mullingar, a likely sell out and a venue that's equidistant between the counties.
Breffni is far more advantageous for Armagh, I wouldn't dream of proposing the Hyde as it would be so unfair on Armagh but why should Galway have to take their medicine on pitch location?
I'm not objecting to Mullingar, who exactly is?
Cavan will have a Tailteann Qtr Final in Breffni that weekend.
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Why? With the attendances to date in this round robin anything that can hold over 10k should be in play, you'd get 11,500 in Mullingar, a likely sell out and a venue that's equidistant between the counties.
Breffni is far more advantageous for Armagh, I wouldn't dream of proposing the Hyde as it would be so unfair on Armagh but why should Galway have to take their medicine on pitch location?
I'm not objecting to Mullingar, who exactly is?
You just said it was too small?!
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Why? With the attendances to date in this round robin anything that can hold over 10k should be in play, you'd get 11,500 in Mullingar, a likely sell out and a venue that's equidistant between the counties.
Breffni is far more advantageous for Armagh, I wouldn't dream of proposing the Hyde as it would be so unfair on Armagh but why should Galway have to take their medicine on pitch location?
I'm not objecting to Mullingar, who exactly is?
You just said it was too small?!
If the capacity really is 11500, then it will do, but grounds nowadays often turn out to have less capacity than we thought they had.
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Wouldn't be happy with Breffni as a venue, a joke for Galway really given the travel distance compared to the opposition. Anywhere in South Armagh about an hour away, it's two hours from Tuam and as for travelling from West Galway forget it. I don't want to hear about the size of the Galway support base and how many might travel either way, this is an advantage that shouldn't be given in terms of venue access to Armagh.
What do you propose? Having it in the Hyde, that would advantage Galway just as much? Longford and Mullingar simply are too small.
If it was in the Hyde, the vocal Armagh support would (rightly) go bananas. Breffini is equally an unfair venue, if not worse
After a weekend of poor attendances though, it makes a decent crowd more likely, being close to the bigger fanbase. Still doesn't mean Galway should be the ones getting screwed though. Tullamore was/is a perfectly fair venue for both and more than big enough but sounds as if it's been allocated elsewhere
Looking at the table and I see this match as a bit of a shot to nothing for Armagh. I think we should play this match with one eye on the play off game the following week. We can only top the group if either we beat Galway and Tyrone don't beat Westmeath or alternatively if we beat Galway by 7 points or more and Tyrone beat Westmeath by less than us. I would say that either outcome is not likely. It is also very unlikely that Westmeath can now qualify so you would question their levels of motivation. The chances of us finishing second also look fairly remote as it would be dependent on us beating Galway by more than Tyrone beat Westmeath but both would have to win by less than 7 points.
I think the best option is to use the match as prep for the following week and get some game time into players who might need it like McCambridge, Morgan (if fit), McPartland and Hall. We can still be competitive but the more important game is the next one which is do or die knockout.
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Wouldn't be happy with Breffni as a venue, a joke for Galway really given the travel distance compared to the opposition. Anywhere in South Armagh about an hour away, it's two hours from Tuam and as for travelling from West Galway forget it. I don't want to hear about the size of the Galway support base and how many might travel either way, this is an advantage that shouldn't be given in terms of venue access to Armagh.
What do you propose? Having it in the Hyde, that would advantage Galway just as much? Longford and Mullingar simply are too small.
If it was in the Hyde, the vocal Armagh support would (rightly) go bananas. Breffini is equally an unfair venue, if not worse
After a weekend of poor attendances though, it makes a decent crowd more likely, being close to the bigger fanbase. Still doesn't mean Galway should be the ones getting screwed though. Tullamore was/is a perfectly fair venue for both and more than big enough but sounds as if it's been allocated elsewhere
How would Breffni be less fare than Roscommon?
Breffni is significantly closer to equidistant than Roscommon.
Don't think there is a perfect venue. Breffni looks the best. And if it is Cavan just hope it doesn't rain. We got drenched there in the first round of the Ulster championship.
An fhairche Abu , nah I think Galway will be off to croker where as the poor relation is off to tullamore .
The utter incompetency of the GAA fixtures committee is there for all of Ireland to see.
it is not like somebody woke up yesterday morning and said ok the second round of games are over, now lets plan the round three games unbelievable, but not a surprise
BTW, I came up with a novel idea this morning, why don't the idiots, cut the admission charge by 50% (at a minimum for all the supporters who are season ticket members), and allow all kids under 16 free, as whoever advances will be almost certainly going to see their counties play in the following four to six weeks that follow.
They have known exactly which teams were playing each other in Round 3 and that they all had to be in neutral venues since the evening of May 14th, it's a ridiculous situation.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 05, 2023, 10:32:35 PM
Wouldn't be happy with Breffni as a venue, a joke for Galway really given the travel distance compared to the opposition. Anywhere in South Armagh about an hour away, it's two hours from Tuam and as for travelling from West Galway forget it. I don't want to hear about the size of the Galway support base and how many might travel either way, this is an advantage that shouldn't be given in terms of venue access to Armagh.
What do you propose? Having it in the Hyde, that would advantage Galway just as much? Longford and Mullingar simply are too small.
If it was in the Hyde, the vocal Armagh support would (rightly) go bananas. Breffini is equally an unfair venue, if not worse
After a weekend of poor attendances though, it makes a decent crowd more likely, being close to the bigger fanbase. Still doesn't mean Galway should be the ones getting screwed though. Tullamore was/is a perfectly fair venue for both and more than big enough but sounds as if it's been allocated elsewhere
How would Breffni be less fare than Roscommon?
Breffni is significantly closer to equidistant than Roscommon.
Don't think there is a perfect venue. Breffni looks the best. And if it is Cavan just hope it doesn't rain. We got drenched there in the first round of the Ulster championship.
Both cities are 2hr 25 from the further venue. Galway city is slightly further from Roscommon than Armagh from Cavan.
I won't get into a tit for tat on smaller towns but suffice to say that large swathes of Galway are 3-4 hrs from Cavan and there's not the equivalent.
There are perfectly fair venues available, namely Mullingar, Tullamore and Portloaise. The latter two comfortably cover any capacity concerns
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 06, 2023, 03:00:53 PM
They have known exactly which teams were playing each other in Round 3 and that they all had to be in neutral venues since the evening of May 14th, it's a ridiculous situation.
I was of the same line of thought but John fogarty of the examiner tweeted last night an answer to such saying HQ couldn't budge on detail for third rd games cause of tv rights and a couple of other factors, make of that what you will . ( ps I'll keep my eye out for an all Ireland final ticket for ya when the time comes )
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 06, 2023, 03:00:53 PM
They have known exactly which teams were playing each other in Round 3 and that they all had to be in neutral venues since the evening of May 14th, it's a ridiculous situation.
I was of the same line of thought but John fogarty of the examiner tweeted last night an answer to such saying HQ couldn't budge on detail for third rd games cause of tv rights and a couple of other factors, make of that what you will . ( ps I'll keep my eye out for an all Ireland final ticket for ya when the time comes )
Larry,
That is a load of shite.
"The governing body of the games couldn't budge on details for tv rights ............"
If I had to guess on the delay, i'd say what's been leaked for the past number of days was the plan for the last week or so. Namely Derry v Clare, Galway v Armagh in Croker, with the rest set in double headers in Tullamore, Portlaoise, Tyrone v Westmeath in Cavan and Monaghan v Donegal in Omagh.
Now, after their lovely long weekend off, they're in a pickle as Derry V Clare is a dead rubber that won't attract 1k and Galway v Armagh, a weird game with likely outcomes for each and a star player probably missing, won't attract 10k. So that coupled with shiite attendances last weekend probably want them moving that game out of Croker. I'd hazard a guess there's been a objection by Galway to Breffini, and also they've to find a new venue for the Tyrone game
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An fhairche Abu , nah I think Galway will be off to croker where as the poor relation is off to tullamore .
Larry I'm feeling less confident I'll need a favour for that AI ticket.....
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That will take the wheels off the bandwagon. Not convenient for anyone. Can we just toss for it?
I'm sure Louther and the Derry wan will be monitoring the attendance closely
Be interesting to see how many of these great Armagh fans make the journey.
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Ard Mhacha vs Gaillimh
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Think it's on the Sunday and not Saturday
Sunday it is, which suits me better.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 06, 2023, 06:55:47 PM
I'm sure Louther and the Derry wan will be monitoring the attendance closely
;D :D From a quick look at twitter. There is 27,000 ticket requests already from Armagh. Should be moved to Wembley. ;)
1 hr 58 from Cross , passing very close to Magh Sleght, home of the pagan God Crom Cruach, known for human sacrifice. Armagh will probably be sacrificed during the match. No sendings off would be a miracle.
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Quote from: bennydorano on June 06, 2023, 06:55:47 PM
I'm sure Louther and the Derry wan will be monitoring the attendance closely
;D :D From a quick look at twitter. There is 27,000 ticket requests already from Armagh. Should be moved to Wembley. ;)
Jaysus, if you moved it Wembley the poor people in Clifden would be giving out.
PSmD has a capacity of 9k. What happens if projected numbers exceed that ?
Quote from: seafoid on June 06, 2023, 10:54:30 PM
PSmD has a capacity of 9k. What happens if projected numbers exceed that ?
The GAA loses €25 per head because Galway would not go to Cavan, so they should pay it.
Quote from: seafoid on June 06, 2023, 10:54:30 PM
PSmD has a capacity of 9k. What happens if projected numbers exceed that ?
Then tough I suppose. Games sell out
I can't see how they will exceed that though. Unless Armagh can beat Galway by 7+, which is possible but unlikely, or Westmeath get a result v Tyrone, then Armagh are booked for third. If only 8k were at Tyrone v Armagh with loads on the line, then I can't see how more than that will show up to this one once that reality dawn's on people
It'll be a sparse crowd from Galway also. For once, there was actually a very decent Galway crowd in Mullingar, I thought it was 50/50 or so. But they won't make this trip in numbers when rightly or wrongly, the vast majority expect they'll top the group regardless. There's also a Leinster final to travel for this weekend for the dual folk
Could easily have played it in the Hyde to satisfy demand from Armagh huge support.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 07, 2023, 08:29:38 AM
Could easily have played it in the Hyde to satisfy demand from Armagh huge support.
I think that Breffni would have better met this objective.
Armagh appealing that red card is ridiculous.
Can he get a longer suspension for appealing in the wrong?
How many were at Armagh Tyrone match last weekend? Armagh people going on about the attendance at the Q final last year and all those fans missing out, they haven't been seen in the group stages, if they had then the match would have been scheduled for CP, you can guarantee it.
Cavan as a venue would have been unfair on Galway, just as the Hyde would have been for Armagh. Would have got more people in Tullamore or Mullingar but it's been fixed for an alternative neutral venue, if some people miss out then so be it, this is supposed to be a match in a neutral venue, not one that's way handier for one team in it. I actually hope it was originally fixed for Breffni and the Galway Co Board told them to get fucked.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 07, 2023, 10:26:40 AM
Armagh appealing that red card is ridiculous.
Did you hear his uncle on the GAA Social podcast? Kept on that the GALWAY LINESMAN (repeated about 5 times, blatantly inferring that the linesman was looking to get him out of the match to come, which is ridiculous) wasn't looking to protect O'Neill but somehow only managed to spot this infraction, as if he's been hard done by, he had his knee on the other player's head FFS.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 07, 2023, 10:58:34 AM
How many were at Armagh Tyrone match last weekend? Armagh people going on about the attendance at the Q final last year and all those fans missing out, they haven't been seen in the group stages, if they had then the match would have been scheduled for CP, you can guarantee it.
Cavan as a venue would have been unfair on Galway, just as the Hyde would have been for Armagh. Would have got more people in Tullamore or Mullingar but it's been fixed for an alternative neutral venue, if some people miss out then so be it, this is supposed to be a match in a neutral venue, not one that's way handier for one team in it. I actually hope it was originally fixed for Breffni and the Galway Co Board told them to get fucked.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 07, 2023, 10:26:40 AM
Armagh appealing that red card is ridiculous.
Did you hear his uncle on the GAA Social podcast? Kept on that the GALWAY LINESMAN (repeated about 5 times, blatantly inferring that the linesman was looking to get him out of the match to come, which is ridiculous) wasn't looking to protect O'Neill but somehow only managed to spot this infraction, as if he's been hard done by, he had his knee on the other player's head FFS.
It must be a very wide pitch in Omagh as well. The Galway linesman was 60yrds away!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 07, 2023, 10:26:40 AM
Armagh appealing that red card is ridiculous.
Your fascination with all things Armagh should be the subject of a thesis.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 07, 2023, 10:58:34 AM
How many were at Armagh Tyrone match last weekend? Armagh people going on about the attendance at the Q final last year and all those fans missing out, they haven't been seen in the group stages, if they had then the match would have been scheduled for CP, you can guarantee it.
Not sure on numbers but there were more Armagh fans at the game than Tyrone fans. Fact.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 07, 2023, 10:58:34 AM
How many were at Armagh Tyrone match last weekend? Armagh people going on about the attendance at the Q final last year and all those fans missing out, they haven't been seen in the group stages, if they had then the match would have been scheduled for CP, you can guarantee it.
Cavan as a venue would have been unfair on Galway, just as the Hyde would have been for Armagh. Would have got more people in Tullamore or Mullingar but it's been fixed for an alternative neutral venue, if some people miss out then so be it, this is supposed to be a match in a neutral venue, not one that's way handier for one team in it. I actually hope it was originally fixed for Breffni and the Galway Co Board told them to get fucked.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 07, 2023, 10:26:40 AM
Armagh appealing that red card is ridiculous.
Did you hear his uncle on the GAA Social podcast? Kept on that the GALWAY LINESMAN (repeated about 5 times, blatantly inferring that the linesman was looking to get him out of the match to come, which is ridiculous) wasn't looking to protect O'Neill but somehow only managed to spot this infraction, as if he's been hard done by, he had his knee on the other player's head FFS.
It must be a very wide pitch in Omagh as well. The Galway linesman was 60yrds away!!
Do you mean Oisin pinpointed the wrong linesman or are you pointing out the linesman's evidence from 60 yards couldn't be great?
Let's be honest Oisin and Geezer have made eejits of themselves on this one. If there wasn't tv coverage they might have got away with the lies but given there was they just look silly.
Oisin is usually grand but his dig about the linesman being from Galway wasn't good. That's up there with Brolly and Gough - questions integrity etc and unfair.
A lot of times what O'Neill did might not have been spotted and he got away with it. But there is tv footage backing up that the linesman is right. It also show's the stuff about O'Neill being pinned down and not protected to be made up as well.
I think we should have just took our medicine on this one. It's not a massively important game for us against Galway anyway unless Westmeath shocked Tyrone which I can't see happening. We'd be better focusing on our biggest game of the season 6/7 days later and hope that he is available for that.
No real surprise. From Armagh's point of view it is a shot to nothing. Appeal and he might get off. GAA need to bring in the rule that spurious appeals that fail means a doubling of the original suspension.
Quote from: Estimator on June 07, 2023, 11:02:17 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 07, 2023, 10:58:34 AM
How many were at Armagh Tyrone match last weekend? Armagh people going on about the attendance at the Q final last year and all those fans missing out, they haven't been seen in the group stages, if they had then the match would have been scheduled for CP, you can guarantee it.
Cavan as a venue would have been unfair on Galway, just as the Hyde would have been for Armagh. Would have got more people in Tullamore or Mullingar but it's been fixed for an alternative neutral venue, if some people miss out then so be it, this is supposed to be a match in a neutral venue, not one that's way handier for one team in it. I actually hope it was originally fixed for Breffni and the Galway Co Board told them to get fucked.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 07, 2023, 10:26:40 AM
Armagh appealing that red card is ridiculous.
Did you hear his uncle on the GAA Social podcast? Kept on that the GALWAY LINESMAN (repeated about 5 times, blatantly inferring that the linesman was looking to get him out of the match to come, which is ridiculous) wasn't looking to protect O'Neill but somehow only managed to spot this infraction, as if he's been hard done by, he had his knee on the other player's head FFS.
It must be a very wide pitch in Omagh as well. The Galway linesman was 60yrds away!!
That's not the point though is it? It was clear red card offence.
Quote from: galwayman on June 07, 2023, 11:55:33 AM
Quote from: Estimator on June 07, 2023, 11:02:17 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 07, 2023, 10:58:34 AM
How many were at Armagh Tyrone match last weekend? Armagh people going on about the attendance at the Q final last year and all those fans missing out, they haven't been seen in the group stages, if they had then the match would have been scheduled for CP, you can guarantee it.
Cavan as a venue would have been unfair on Galway, just as the Hyde would have been for Armagh. Would have got more people in Tullamore or Mullingar but it's been fixed for an alternative neutral venue, if some people miss out then so be it, this is supposed to be a match in a neutral venue, not one that's way handier for one team in it. I actually hope it was originally fixed for Breffni and the Galway Co Board told them to get fucked.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 07, 2023, 10:26:40 AM
Armagh appealing that red card is ridiculous.
Did you hear his uncle on the GAA Social podcast? Kept on that the GALWAY LINESMAN (repeated about 5 times, blatantly inferring that the linesman was looking to get him out of the match to come, which is ridiculous) wasn't looking to protect O'Neill but somehow only managed to spot this infraction, as if he's been hard done by, he had his knee on the other player's head FFS.
It must be a very wide pitch in Omagh as well. The Galway linesman was 60yrds away!!
That's not the point though is it? It was clear red card offence.
Thats not the point I was making. It was Oisin who claimed the
Galway linesman, who I'd assume is keeping up with the play was 60yds away from an incident that happened centrally, but moreso on that linesman's side of the pitch.
So not only was Oisin referencing the county of the official, but that he was also too far away to see anything happening..
Which is why I suggested Healy Park must be very wide. Probably should've used some emojis to emphasis the sarcasm.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 07, 2023, 10:26:40 AM
Armagh appealing that red card is ridiculous.
Your fascination with all things Armagh should be the subject of a thesis.
Is he a Tyrone man? Complaining about appealing reds?
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 07, 2023, 10:58:34 AM
How many were at Armagh Tyrone match last weekend? Armagh people going on about the attendance at the Q final last year and all those fans missing out, they haven't been seen in the group stages, if they had then the match would have been scheduled for CP, you can guarantee it.
Cavan as a venue would have been unfair on Galway, just as the Hyde would have been for Armagh. Would have got more people in Tullamore or Mullingar but it's been fixed for an alternative neutral venue, if some people miss out then so be it, this is supposed to be a match in a neutral venue, not one that's way handier for one team in it. I actually hope it was originally fixed for Breffni and the Galway Co Board told them to get fucked.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 07, 2023, 10:26:40 AM
Armagh appealing that red card is ridiculous.
Did you hear his uncle on the GAA Social podcast? Kept on that the GALWAY LINESMAN (repeated about 5 times, blatantly inferring that the linesman was looking to get him out of the match to come, which is ridiculous) wasn't looking to protect O'Neill but somehow only managed to spot this infraction, as if he's been hard done by, he had his knee on the other player's head FFS.
It must be a very wide pitch in Omagh as well. The Galway linesman was 60yrds away!!
That's not the point though is it? It was clear red card offence.
Thats not the point I was making. It was Oisin who claimed the Galway linesman, who I'd assume is keeping up with the play was 60yds away from an incident that happened centrally, but moreso on that linesman's side of the pitch.
So not only was Oisin referencing the county of the official, but that he was also too far away to see anything happening..
Which is why I suggested Healy Park must be very wide. Probably should've used some emojis to emphasis the sarcasm.
Ahhhh I see :D
I like Oisin McConville - he was decent on the podcasts he was on last year before taking the Wicklow job & now on the GAA Social.
But if he can't call incidents involving his nephew in the same light as he would any other player - then he has no business being in the national media.
If that same incident involved any other player and he is asked about it - he'll say it was a red card all day long.
Calling out a linesman as being from Galway was probably worse tbh.
Yeah I would like him too - I would say the same on Enda McGinley. I like them both when they are not commenting on their own teams.
Siege mentality maybe or trying to use this incident as a form of protection against Rian in upcoming games.
I thought he was like a man possessed in the Ulster final.
He didn't remonstrate much with the ref when sent off.
Armagh should look inside the circle for their solutions to their discipline problems. O'Neill has a poor temperament. The Red had been coming for a few games now. Others in that side have discipline issues. Remember the eye gouging incident? The melee they started with Tyrone? One common denominator... Armagh. Often teams who lack the footballing ability to compete with the top teams employ these nasty tactics. That's perhaps what we are seeing play out here.
Quote from: trailer on June 07, 2023, 02:46:32 PM
Armagh should look inside the circle for their solutions to their discipline problems. O'Neill has a poor temperament. The Red had been coming for a few games now. Others in that side have discipline issues. Remember the eye gouging incident? The melee they started with Tyrone? One common denominator... Armagh. Often teams who lack the footballing ability to compete with the top teams employ these nasty tactics. That's perhaps what we are seeing play out here.
Decent trolling
It takes 2 to tango!!
The other games already on sale, no sign of Armagh/Galway tickets as yet. Or are they distributing them through the clubs again due to capacity of 9k?
Quote from: balladmaker on June 07, 2023, 03:09:05 PM
The other games already on sale, no sign of Armagh/Galway tickets as yet. Or are they distributing them through the clubs again due to capacity of 9k?
Don't see much need to go through clubs for this game. I'd be surprised if it sells out given that its a bit of a dead rubber with a lot of travel involved and the fact that its on TV anyway. It's overhyped because its Armagh v Galway but its certainly not do or die and a lot of people will hold back for the bigger game the following week.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 07, 2023, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 07, 2023, 08:29:38 AM
Could easily have played it in the Hyde to satisfy demand from Armagh huge support.
I think that Breffni would have better met this objective.
I was on a the windup as its a ridiculous suggestion as was Breffni.
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 07, 2023, 08:29:38 AM
Could easily have played it in the Hyde to satisfy demand from Armagh huge support.
I think that Breffni would have better met this objective.
I was on a the windup as its a ridiculous suggestion as was Breffni.
Breffni is now a ridiculous suggestion as there is the small matter of another game being played at the same time there. But I don't see why it was a ridiculous suggestion in the first place.
There isn't an absolutely ideal ground for this game but Breffni was as close as you could get.
As has been pointed out elsewhere the travel scenario looks very problematic (given other games ongoing and the absence of ring roads or dual carriageways) and the stadium is hardly big enough.
I would be very surprised if Armagh have not objected in some way to this. I am completely against the pointless appeals of disciplinary decisions but this fixture decision looks incompetent.
Journey times from Lurgan, Armagh and Crossmaglen don't look too bad at just over 2 hours but the reality will be much, much more than that. A lot of Galway is much closer than that. Unless you are coming from Clifden the venue is hardly equidistant.
Armagh had easily 10k in Healy pk and would have more if the capacity allowed.
Disagree totally on Breffni, we may as well have had a toss for match to be there or the Hyde then, Breffni is unbelievably inconvenient for Galway support compared to Armagh.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 07, 2023, 04:24:26 PM
Disagree totally on Breffni, we may as well have had a toss for match to be there or the Hyde then, Breffni is unbelievably inconvenient for Galway support compared to Armagh.
You could hardly argue that Breffni was more inconvenient for Galway than Carrick is for Armagh?
I was looking at google maps. Mullingar is 90 minutes from Cross and probably more suitable than Carrick on shannon, all things being equal.
What's the permutations for this group , Galway guaranteed top spot ?
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 07, 2023, 04:24:26 PM
Disagree totally on Breffni, we may as well have had a toss for match to be there or the Hyde then, Breffni is unbelievably inconvenient for Galway support compared to Armagh.
You could hardly argue that Breffni was more inconvenient for Galway than Carrick is for Armagh?
Is this a joke? It's near the same distance for both.
You're saying above "There isn't an absolutely ideal ground for this game but Breffni was as close as you could get". For starters I can think of 4 grounds.
But to play your game, in which possibly way would Hyde Park Roscommon for instance not be as fair or fairer than Breffini? Why shouldn't it be played there?
Leitrim was about as neutral as you could get in terms of distances between the counties. Around 2 hours from both. No idea why anyone would think Cavan was more suitable if trying to pick a neutral venue.
Armagh had around 5,000 in Omagh last week and are likely to bring less to a game further away. It'll probably not sell out making the complaining look silly.
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 07, 2023, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 07, 2023, 08:29:38 AM
Could easily have played it in the Hyde to satisfy demand from Armagh huge support.
I think that Breffni would have better met this objective.
I was on a the windup as its a ridiculous suggestion as was Breffni.
Breffni is now a ridiculous suggestion as there is the small matter of another game being played at the same time there. But I don't see why it was a ridiculous suggestion in the first place.
There isn't an absolutely ideal ground for this game but Breffni was as close as you could get.
As has been pointed out elsewhere the travel scenario looks very problematic (given other games ongoing and the absence of ring roads or dual carriageways) and the stadium is hardly big enough.
I would be very surprised if Armagh have not objected in some way to this. I am completely against the pointless appeals of disciplinary decisions but this fixture decision looks incompetent.
Journey times from Lurgan, Armagh and Crossmaglen don't look too bad at just over 2 hours but the reality will be much, much more than that. A lot of Galway is much closer than that. Unless you are coming from Clifden the venue is hardly equidistant.
Armagh had easily 10k in Healy pk and would have more if the capacity allowed.
The criteria that Croke Park use for the distance is from the county ground. There's 5 minutes difference from the Athletic Grounds & Pearse Stadium to Pairc Sean according to google maps.
The total attendance in Healy Park on Saturday was 9k.
On Healy Pk I stand corrected. Whilst the official figure you quote is complete nonsense I do accept that it wasn't a full house. Whilst Armagh had very significantly more than half the crowd it wouldn't have added up to 10k. My bad.
On distance between the counties I will take you at your word on what the official ruling is. It's a strange rule but I suppose there has to be one. Even weirder would be the failure to apply context. The context of getting from Lurgan or any of the towns in S. Armagh to CoS in match traffic when Tyrone are travelling to Breffni at the same time. The contexts of what towns you have to go through and their ability to cope. Going early to get a seat for children then brings in the earlier match at Breffni. In combination these fixtures look ill considered at best.
Presumably the Gardai have given it all their blessing.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 07, 2023, 04:42:34 PM
What's the permutations for this group , Galway guaranteed top spot ?
Nothing guaranteed, Armagh win well next time out and they can top the group on score difference or head to head if Tyrone don't win.
Tyrone can only get top spot if both Tyrone and Armagh win and Tyrone are left with best score difference,
Only team that can't get top spot is Westmeath.
Armagh win/draw coupled with a Westmeath win and Tyrone are out.
Galway have most scope to finish top as they have best score difference at the moment and a draw will do them but could finish 3rd just as easy if Tyrone and Armagh win well.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 07, 2023, 04:42:34 PM
What's the permutations for this group , Galway guaranteed top spot ?
Still plenty up for grabs. Galway the only team definitely through. Armagh could get top if won by 6/7 and Tyrone game went right way. Tyrone could still get top with a big win if Armagh beat Galway. If Westmeath beat Tyrone and Armagh win Tyrone go out. If Westmeath beat Tyrone and Galway beat Armagh it'll go down to scoring difference between Tyrone Armagh and Westmeath.
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Could easily have played it in the Hyde to satisfy demand from Armagh huge support.
I think that Breffni would have better met this objective.
I was on a the windup as its a ridiculous suggestion as was Breffni.
Breffni is now a ridiculous suggestion as there is the small matter of another game being played at the same time there. But I don't see why it was a ridiculous suggestion in the first place.
There isn't an absolutely ideal ground for this game but Breffni was as close as you could get.
As has been pointed out elsewhere the travel scenario looks very problematic (given other games ongoing and the absence of ring roads or dual carriageways) and the stadium is hardly big enough.
I would be very surprised if Armagh have not objected in some way to this. I am completely against the pointless appeals of disciplinary decisions but this fixture decision looks incompetent.
Journey times from Lurgan, Armagh and Crossmaglen don't look too bad at just over 2 hours but the reality will be much, much more than that. A lot of Galway is much closer than that. Unless you are coming from Clifden the venue is hardly equidistant.
Armagh had easily 10k in Healy pk and would have more if the capacity allowed.
The criteria that Croke Park use for the distance is from the county ground. There's 5 minutes difference from the Athletic Grounds & Pearse Stadium to Pairc Sean according to google maps.
The total attendance in Healy Park on Saturday was 9k.
On Healy Pk I stand corrected. Whilst the official figure you quote is complete nonsense I do accept that it wasn't a full house. Whilst Armagh had very significantly more than half the crowd it wouldn't have added up to 10k. My bad.
On distance between the counties I will take you at your word on what the official ruling is. It's a strange rule but I suppose there has to be one. Even weirder would be the failure to apply context. The context of getting from Lurgan or any of the towns in S. Armagh to CoS in match traffic when Tyrone are travelling to Breffni at the same time. The contexts of what towns you have to go through and their ability to cope. Going early to get a seat for children then brings in the earlier match at Breffni. In combination these fixtures look ill considered at best.
Presumably the Gardai have given it all their blessing.
You don't go through Cavan when going from Lurgan to Leitrim. You can also avoid it when going from South Armagh as well. I don't think there'll be massive traffic issues in Cavan anyway - can't see a huge crowd there and it'll be well spread out with the two games.
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Disagree totally on Breffni, we may as well have had a toss for match to be there or the Hyde then, Breffni is unbelievably inconvenient for Galway support compared to Armagh.
You could hardly argue that Breffni was more inconvenient for Galway than Carrick is for Armagh?
Is this a joke? It's near the same distance for both.
You're saying above "There isn't an absolutely ideal ground for this game but Breffni was as close as you could get". For starters I can think of 4 grounds.
But to play your game, in which possibly way would Hyde Park Roscommon for instance not be as fair or fairer than Breffini? Why shouldn't it be played there?
On CoS it looks like it's c1hr15mins from Tuam and Ballinasloe. No part of Armagh is remotely as close. 1hr50 from Galway city is still a bit shorter than any part of Armagh. But the number of towns that people travelling from any part of Armagh is going to drive match day travel time way up. There will be match day traffic coming from Galway as well and nobody is going to achieve satnav projected times but it looks way worse for armagh.
On Hyde vs Breffni. Again Hyde is 38 mins from Ballinasloe and 54 from Tuam. That's a bit long from even the nearest parts of Armagh.
But again none of the above takes in the context of the other matches.
Objectively all parts is Armagh to Roscommon is more difficult than any part of Galway other than the extreme west and the islands to Breffni. So no, not a joke.
Rumour that it was originally Cavan and Galway objected. Then moved to CoS and now Armagh objected. Don't know if either is actually true.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 07, 2023, 04:55:32 PM
Leitrim was about as neutral as you could get in terms of distances between the counties. Around 2 hours from both. No idea why anyone would think Cavan was more suitable if trying to pick a neutral venue.
Armagh had around 5,000 in Omagh last week and are likely to bring less to a game further away. It'll probably not sell out making the complaining look silly.
It won't sell out, it looks like it's been designed not to. Making no one happy will work in crowd management.
The fastest way from Cross to Galway is south to the M6 then west. Not across to Sligo via Carrick and then N17.
So the match should be played close to the best route.
Pairc Sean Mac Diarmada getting to host a repeat of last year's All Ireland Quarter final, It's also getting to host a double header of All Ireland minor quarter finals this weekend and hosted the U20 ALL Ireland final last year. Looks like someone from Leitrim is involved when fixing the venue of these matches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZKACCy7OK8
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Disagree totally on Breffni, we may as well have had a toss for match to be there or the Hyde then, Breffni is unbelievably inconvenient for Galway support compared to Armagh.
You could hardly argue that Breffni was more inconvenient for Galway than Carrick is for Armagh?
Is this a joke? It's near the same distance for both.
You're saying above "There isn't an absolutely ideal ground for this game but Breffni was as close as you could get". For starters I can think of 4 grounds.
But to play your game, in which possibly way would Hyde Park Roscommon for instance not be as fair or fairer than Breffini? Why shouldn't it be played there?
On CoS it looks like it's c1hr15mins from Tuam and Ballinasloe. No part of Armagh is remotely as close. 1hr50 from Galway city is still a bit shorter than any part of Armagh. But the number of towns that people travelling from any part of Armagh is going to drive match day travel time way up. There will be match day traffic coming from Galway as well and nobody is going to achieve satnav projected times but it looks way worse for armagh.
On Hyde vs Breffni. Again Hyde is 38 mins from Ballinasloe and 54 from Tuam. That's a bit long from even the nearest parts of Armagh.
But again none of the above takes in the context of the other matches.
Objectively all parts is Armagh to Roscommon is more difficult than any part of Galway other than the extreme west and the islands to Breffni. So no, not a joke.
Yawn. You disregard predominantly football parts of Galway like Knocknacarra, Bearna and Clifden that doesn't suit your argument but happy to include Ballinasloe, a mainly hurling town that does. Cavan is closer to the Athletic grounds than Pearse stadium is to Roscommon.
Note that no Galway person is saying the Hyde would be fair. All we've done is refute the suggestion that somehow Breffini is fair, or in your words "There isn't an absolutely ideal ground for this game but Breffni was as close as you could get.
Judging by what's gone on in the last 24 hours at the announcement of a perfectly fair venue in COS, then thank god it wasn't fixed for the Hyde. You'd almost let Armagh have home advantage to avoid the headache. I can't wait to see the new dual carriageways available to us for avoiding the likes of Castlerea and Frenchpark
Wuuld Markiewicz Park not have been more equitable?
Slow roads to Sligo from Armagh
Mullingar or Tullamore
http://www.aandcdrivingschool.ie/images/motorways_in_ireland.jpg
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/08/read-all-about-it-at-last-the-tuam-stars-who-lit-up-football-in-the-1950s/
Read all about it, at last: the Tuam stars who lit up football in the 1950s
A new book chronicles the extraordinary careers of Seán Purcell and Frank Stockwell
Galway, All Ireland SFC champions in 1956
Ciarán Murphy
Thu Jun 8 2023 - 05:00
In Raymond Smith's 1984 book The Football Immortals, he describes the north Galway town of Tuam as a place "which throbs with a love of football as Thurles breathes the very spirit of hurling".
When I read that book as a 10-year-old, growing up in a village about seven miles outside the town, this made sense to me for only two reasons. There was Saint Jarlath's College, who then (and still do) lead the Hogan Cup roll of honour. And there was Seán Purcell.
Purcell was generally regarded as one of the finest players in the history of the game. In the time before the onset of the Kerry team of the 1970s and 1980s, arguments were often made about the relative merits of Mick O'Connell, well-known as the prince of midfielders, and Purcell, whose very versatility and brilliance were what elevated him.
It was hard for me to understand at the time. I couldn't remember any of the All-Ireland wins of that Kerry team of Spillane, Sheehy and O'Shea, and I had only fleeting memories of some of those players playing on bad Kerry teams being given the runaround by Larry Tompkins. But everyone seemed to agree that Christy Ring was the greatest hurler of all time. Why couldn't we come to a similar consensus about Gaelic football?
In that atmosphere, Purcell's name carried as much weight as any other. He played at midfield, at centre back. His greatest display was reportedly the Connacht semi-final of 1954 against Mayo, at full-back. But he was selected on both the GAA Team of the Century and the GAA Team of the Millennium at centre-forward.
His telepathic relationship with his clubmate Frank Stockwell was at its most devastating throughout 1956, when he won his only All-Ireland medal. In the final against Cork, Stockwell scored 2-5, all from play, a total which was never equalled in a 60-minute final, and a tally from play that has only been equalled once, by Eoin Liston in 1978.
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I still have my father's copy of Smith's book, updated for the Centenary of the GAA in 1984, but the sellotape keeping it together seems a fitting metaphor for the histories told within. Our hold on people like Purcell, or Mick Higgins of Cavan, or Tommy Murphy, the Boy Wonder from Laois, seems as tenuous as that.
My uncle, the broadcaster and journalist Jim Carney, was a child of the 1950s. He can't remember 1956, but he remembers Stockwell and Purcell playing for Tuam Stars when they cut a swathe through the Galway club championship. They were an exceptional club team, good enough to go head-to-head in exhibition games against St Vincent's of Dublin, matches which were seen as a precursor to the All-Ireland club championships.
Jim is well known to many as the first presenter of The Sunday Game, and as a commentator with RTÉ and the BBC for many years. Anyone who's ever heard him speak on radio or television, who's ever read a column of his in the Tuam Herald, has always known there was a book in him.
Frank Stockwell, whose tally for a 60-minute final was never matched
He has finally written that book, and it's about Purcell and Stockwell, and the town that created them. In the end, he couldn't not write it. The stock of people who can still remember Purcell and Stockwell in full flow is naturally growing smaller and smaller.
The question became less of whether he could write this book, but: if not now, when? And if not Jim, who? Because he was a great friend of Purcell, in particular. He spent many happy evenings driving Seán to and from functions, pitch openings and club gatherings – the sort of events that the greats get invited to, and still do.
I met Purcell a few times – formal introductions were hardly necessary, given he owned a newsagents just off the main square of Tuam. In a town perhaps best known in the early 1990s as the hometown of The Sawdoctors – purveyors of a very specific, homespun charm – Purcell was very much in keeping with that low-key, unassuming air.
An extraordinarily generous gift from the great Seán Purcell
His friendship with Jim allowed me to take the liberty of writing him a letter when I couldn't have been any more than nine or 10. He answered my questions in studied, deliberate, beautiful handwriting. Gerry O'Malley of Roscommon was his toughest opponent. His proudest moment was winning an All-Ireland medal. I should keep practising with my weaker foot.
And with the letter, there was a calendar, from 1957, which had a picture of the All-Ireland winning team of 1956, signed by each player. It was an extraordinarily generous gift, and it hangs in my house in Dublin today.
Tuam in the 1950s gave the country Tom Murphy, the greatest Irish playwright of the postwar era. It gave us the greatest footballer of that time. It gave us the top scorer from play in the history of All-Ireland finals. And now, the town and surrounding area, and the country at large, has a book chronicling that extraordinary decade.
Seán Purcell and Frank Stockwell – From a Childhood Friendship, To Gaelic Football Fame and Glory, will be launched this Saturday. Copies will be on sale in local bookshops, and all proceeds raised will go to Tuam Cancer Care
Too young to have seen him play ( only in my 50s but my dad rated him alongside Sean O'Neill of Down.
To be in that company means he was very very special
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0605/1387501-state-of-play-all-ireland-group-stage-permutations/
For all the hype, Kieran McGeeney's team have struggled to land a major championship victory in recent years. Aside, that is, from the qualifier wins over Tyrone and Donegal last year, two demoralised and out of form teams.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0605/1387501-state-of-play-all-ireland-group-stage-permutations/
Permutations Key Points:
Galway will top group by avoiding defeat against Armagh. They also hold a score difference advantage (+10) over the Ulster duo (both -1) if a three-way tie on four points arises.
Armagh can still finish top by beating Galway, though will need Tyrone to slip up against Westmeath. Otherwise, they will need a score difference swing and have to win by six points against Galway to have any chance of top spot.
Tyrone can only finish top if Armagh beat Galway. Will need to make up a -11 score differential deficit against the westerners in the process.
Westmeath need to beat Tyrone to survive. Matters will simplify if Armagh avoid losing to Galway. Otherwise, it's down to their score difference (-9) against the Ulster teams.
Be some craic if Louth, Cork, Armagh and Westmeath win.
Totally unlikely but if thet did Kerry and Tyrone would be gone :D ;D
Any word on Armagh/Galway tickets yet?
There's nothing available on general sale or for season ticket holders as of yet
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 08, 2023, 12:59:17 PM
There's nothing available on general sale or for season ticket holders as of yet
Must be some reason for the delay given the other matches are already on sale.
How many season ticket holders have Armagh and Galway?
Both counties have requested the match be moved to croke park
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0608/1388127-armagh-and-galway-request-croke-park-switch/
This must be why the ticketing details have not been released yet. Seems a bit ridiculous to play a group game fixture in a quarter full stadium but if both counties agree to it then it could yet be switched. I think some people think that because the fixture got 40k last year that there will be a massive demand for this game but I just don't see it. Totally different circumstances this year.
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https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0608/1388127-armagh-and-galway-request-croke-park-switch/
This must be why the ticketing details have not been released yet. Seems a bit ridiculous to play a group game fixture in a quarter full stadium but if both counties agree to it then it could yet be switched. I think some people think that because the fixture got 40k last year that there will be a massive demand for this game but I just don't see it. Totally different circumstances this year.
That's the key point, be doing awful well to get even a quarter of the stadium filled, I can't see it anyway.
Warm up game / trial run in Croke Park I suppose - might as well get sone benefit out of it. Hard to see a huge crowd at 4pm on a Sunday. Armagh wans like the sesh days out so who knows. Seems more papaltable now as COS wasn't very appealing to anyone.
It is hard tó thínk that t pollhere would be massive demand for Croke Park, but it would still be several thousand more than Carrick on Shannon.
Only a request at this stage. Hasn't been approved yet.
That said if they have both requested it then any decision to have the game elsewhere comes under greater scrutiny.
The traffic issues looked very problematic and possibly making a farce out of have the 2 group games throw in at the same time. Could have had the situation with Tyrone or Westmeath fans with young children/elderly patrons arriving well before the Dublin/Sligo match to secure a seat in Breffni and then then having to hang around for a delayed throw in to the Tyrone/Westmeath because of traffic delays pushing back the throw in in Carrick.
There is always a risk of traffic delays and you have the decision of whether to push back throw in but they were exacerbated in this instance by the combination of fixtures. It looked like really poor planning and I wouldn't be surprised if the Gardai expressed reservations.
Hard to know what crowd it will take to Croke Park. If it is a quarter full then that that is still more than double the number that Carrick could accommodate. I fully accept that a pool stage group game is not the same as a knock out double header.
It is what it is.
Any idea of timescale for a decision?
Páirc Uí Chaoimh is available ;D
Armagh took 4k to Omagh at the weekend. Why they think they need Croke Park is beyond me.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2023, 04:08:52 PM
Páirc Uí Chaoimh is available ;D
Páirc Rockall is closer to Armagh
There is absolutely no reason to think that this game needs to go to Croke Park.
Why Croke Park? Another bigger capacity provincial ground would be more suitable.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2023, 04:08:52 PM
Páirc Uí Chaoimh is available ;D
It's on the bucket list to attend a game there, I guess we could get the chance in the 2024 league :D
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 08, 2023, 04:32:47 PM
Why Croke Park? Another bigger capacity provincial ground would be more suitable.
I'd say there are commercial aspects to this as well ... if I was an advertiser in Croke Park, or a Premium ticket holder, I'd need to be getting a good few games at the venue to justify the investment.
I'd say this game would pull 20k max to Croke Park, and that could be a stretch.
Westmeath Tyrone in Clones and Galway Armagh in Cavan?
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Westmeath Tyrone in Clones and Galway Armagh in Cavan?
Westmeath-Tyrone in Carrick on Shannon. It will not be crowded and in a different province and the Westmeath people can go on the train.
Request turned down, game goes ahead in Carrick on Shannon. Tickets will be available online only, not through clubs.
Switch rejected, CoS it is.
Yet Dublin get it every time they request it .
As if both teams wanted the game in Croke park for ticket needs. Galway not take too many up the road for a dead duck.
Both mgts wanted to get a run out on Croke Park, both rejected bigger capacity grounds with that in mind.
Has it sold out yet? ;D ;D
Quote from: larryin89 on June 08, 2023, 05:58:46 PM
Yet Dublin get it every time they request it .
Good point. What was the attendance at the recent Dublin hurling game there?
In this case both counties seem to have proposed Croke Park, so it seems that some counties get things others do not.
edit Dublin -Wexford hurlers in Croke park had an attendance of approximately 9000. I'd hazard a guess that this game in Croke park would beat that.
Tickets on sale now on ticketmaster so get cracking lads and lassies
I hope the pubs in Carrick on Shannon didn't cancel those Buckfast orders
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I hope the pubs in Carrick on Shannon didn't cancel those Buckfast orders
Well they wouldn't want to be waiting on yer bucks to invade the town .
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I hope the pubs in Carrick on Shannon didn't cancel those Buckfast orders
Well they wouldn't want to be waiting on yer bucks to invade the town .
Hard to get the bucky hounds to move when they've the best social life in the country on their doorstep
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I hope the pubs in Carrick on Shannon didn't cancel those Buckfast orders
Well they wouldn't want to be waiting on yer bucks to invade the town .
Sure haven't we got Portumna and that has hurling as well as the river
Still not sold out pairc Sean and them on sale a few hours now . I had a vision of tickets going for thousands on the black market such was the furore .
Why should people respond to an inconvenient venue by buying tickets 10 days before a game? People could have decided to go on the day if Galway and the GAA were not acting the bollix.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2023, 03:49:32 AM
Why should people respond to an inconvenient venue by buying tickets 10 days before a game? People could have decided to go on the day if Galway and the GAA were not acting the bollix.
You'd think with all the talk about thousands of the best supporters in Ireland missing out due to the limited capacity that the game would have sold out in minutes. Now they're not buying tickets because a venue 2 hours away exactly half way between both counties is too inconvenient? It seems like Armagh wanted this match on their doorstep. I was at an u20 final in Leitrim last year and it was a lovely venue with plenty of parking.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2023, 03:49:32 AM
Why should people respond to an inconvenient venue by buying tickets 10 days before a game? People could have decided to go on the day if Galway and the GAA were not acting the bollix.
Neutral venues will have to be addressed after the end of the season. As the crow files is uncorrelated to the road network, especially around the border. For the moment (and in the absence of the A5), the northern teams would have to be the focus.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2023, 03:49:32 AM
Why should people respond to an inconvenient venue by buying tickets 10 days before a game? People could have decided to go on the day if Galway and the GAA were not acting the bollix.
Inconvenient?! What?? It's 7 mile closer to Armagh city than Croke Park and only takes 30mins more. You're having a laugh.
Tickets still available by the way. Maybe the Armagh wans only interested if there's a rip in the capital? :P
I really don't get why people have been making such a big deal over the capacity.
If it were in Croker would they get much more than 10k? I doubt it & there would be no atmosphere up there.
It's not knock out.
If a small number of fans need to watch it on telly because Carrick sells out so what.
Carrick's a great town anyway, so I don't see what the outrage is about. Should be a great atmosphere too, much better than if it was in Croker.
It's a great town for the weekend break, not so sure for the day trip to a Sunday evening match though. But we'll be there.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2023, 03:49:32 AM
Why should people respond to an inconvenient venue by buying tickets 10 days before a game? People could have decided to go on the day if Galway and the GAA were not acting the bollix.
Assume this is parody?
Quote from: Tubberman on June 09, 2023, 09:55:59 AM
Carrick's a great town anyway, so I don't see what the outrage is about. Should be a great atmosphere too, much better than if it was in Croker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aUhyhS1hGE
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2023, 03:49:32 AM
Why should people respond to an inconvenient venue by buying tickets 10 days before a game? People could have decided to go on the day if Galway and the GAA were not acting the bollix.
The idea is that the game is neutral. Being halfway between the two counties is irrelevant. The GAA have done their best. As per usual The Armagh Whiners want special circumstance for themselves.
You'd think the fact that tickets weren't sold out in minutes might just embarrass them into shutting up for a while.....
Fair play to HQ for not falling for it. I feared they would try to set up a nonsense double header over it.
I don't see what the complaining about is from Armagh supporters about the venue. I saw a few clowns on social media saying Armagh would bring 30k to Croke Park for the game had it been there.
I have prior engagement over the weekend, but the overall format that would put me off going, Armagh really have to win by 7 and hope westmeath beat tyrone both highly unlikely. No real championship feel to it, for example if Armagh are a point up with 5 left it would/should be edge of the seat stuff but this would not be the case given the circumstances and game is a bit of a dead rubber. There are definite issues with the format and no better than the super 8s from what i can see.
The Group stage gives counties like Armagh access to more matches at a high level. The Super 8s were more selective.
Been to all of the championship games this year so far but i could never make this weekend no matter where it was. That being said, i still think if i was available, i'd be missing this one anyway. The distance, the added cost, the timing, the dead rubber feel... it all adds up. I think this format really needs to be examined for next year.
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The Group stage gives counties like Armagh access to more matches at a high level. The Super 8s were more selective.
How many times are you going to say that?
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2023, 03:49:32 AM
Why should people respond to an inconvenient venue by buying tickets 10 days before a game? People could have decided to go on the day if Galway and the GAA were not acting the bollix.
Assume this is parody?
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Best supporters mehole.
Any excuse to get out it.
Are Armagh they whiniest county in Ireland. ref, Galway, the GAA, the Location, Riain, rain, cccc, too small, too big, wtf.
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2023, 03:49:32 AM
Why should people respond to an inconvenient venue by buying tickets 10 days before a game? People could have decided to go on the day if Galway and the GAA were not acting the bollix.
Assume this is parody?
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Best supporters mehole.
Any excuse to get out it.
Are Armagh they whiniest county in Ireland. ref, Galway, the GAA, the Location, Riain, rain, cccc, too small, too big, wtf.
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You missed:
BBQs
Cup Finals
Beer gardens
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2023, 11:28:15 AM
You'd think the fact that tickets weren't sold out in minutes might just embarrass them into shutting up for a while.....
Laughable. Tickets are still available on TM. So much for the best-supported team in the country.
Orange men have a tendancy to not like being rerouted.
A lot of boys very very jealous of Armagh by the looks of it. Some counties have no charisma, shite support, shite grounds, shite strips as well into the bargain. There's a reason we're on TV every other week lads, Showbiz!
Bit like spurs, lots going on but nothing to show for it at the end of the year
Quote from: bennydorano on June 09, 2023, 02:52:48 PM
A lot of boys very very jealous of Armagh by the looks of it. Some counties have no charisma, shite support, shite grounds, shite strips as well into the bargain. There's a reason we're on TV every other week lads, Showbiz!
Just one hole in that. Jealously would require you to have something to be jealous of.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 09, 2023, 02:54:11 PM
Bit like spurs, lots going on but nothing to show for it at the end of the year
But always topical
Jealous then!!!
That game must have been moved to Croker after all as there are still tickets for sale ::)
So Armagh unable to fill carrick on Shannon...😂
Quote from: rrhf on June 09, 2023, 07:12:02 PM
So Armagh unable to fill carrick on Shannon...😂
The game is next week, you know.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 09, 2023, 02:52:48 PM
A lot of boys very very jealous of Armagh by the looks of it. Some counties have no charisma, shite support, shite grounds, shite strips as well into the bargain. There's a reason we're on TV every other week lads, Showbiz!
I should have added we've the best County Song in Ireland roo. That probably riles the Susan McCann brigade
Expect Tyrone will be flakey v Westmeath. Either could go through which means undoubted injury time excitement.
There is an inherent madness in Tyrone if they win this match. They can beat anyone.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 09, 2023, 11:49:27 PM
Expect Tyrone will be flakey v Westmeath. Either could go through which means undoubted injury time excitement.
There is an inherent madness in Tyrone if they win this match. They can beat anyone.
Nope, they won't beat too many based on last weekend's showing. 13 pts against 14 man Armagh who were dreadful but still could have nicked it at the end.
Very similar assessment of galway v Tyrone. Galway got slated for nit putting Tyrone away who were within one score right to the end
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 08, 2023, 03:11:16 PM
Both counties have requested the match be moved to croke park
Galway made no request to change the venue according to Galway Bay FM, statement sent into them by the county board.
The request was made by Armagh with Galway's support .
Semantics by Galway gaa.
Tickets still available. When do we think the 9000 seater Pairc Sean MacDiarmada will sell out? Will it sell out?
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 10, 2023, 11:40:06 AM
Tickets still available. When do we think the 9000 seater Pairc Sean MacDiarmada will sell out? Will it sell out?
Interesting that tickets still online whenever patrons haven't received their allocation
It would be tragic if Armagh fans were waiting for the quarter final to turn up en masse only to lose the preliminary quarter final.
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2023, 12:59:31 PM
It would be tragic if Armagh fans were waiting for the quarter final to turn up en masse only to lose the preliminary quarter final.
We'll all go to Killarney.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0608/1388127-armagh-and-galway-request-croke-park-switch/
The GAA have turned down a request from Armagh and Galway to have their forthcoming All-Ireland group stage contest moved from Carrick-on-Shannon to Croke Park.
Finger on the pulse as always
It is giving a whole wet day next Sunday, that will help the crowd. Of course, the seats in Croke Park have a roof.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2023, 01:48:25 PM
It is giving a whole wet day next Sunday, that will help the crowd. Of course, the seats in Croke Park have a roof.
If you arrive early there is 3,000-covered stand to watch the game in Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada.
But the other 37,000 will get wet!
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2023, 12:59:31 PM
It would be tragic if Armagh fans were waiting for the quarter final to turn up en masse only to lose the preliminary quarter final.
Did someone from Armagh abuse you as a child?
It's the only thing I can think of to explain the constant digs.
Armagh by 7 ... you've nothing without hope ;D
Any word on the Rian situation?
Situation is that he's a very good player but at 24 he still has a lot to do in the next 5-6 years to be considered great and mentioned in the same capacity as Michael murphy, Peter Canavan, Darragh o'se, gooch etc
Same way the Armagh hype train tends to get a little carried away with plaudits for the Murnins, Forkers, Campbells, Grugan, Turbitts et al of the world
With the exception of RO'N the above would be kept quiet by any decent player in the top 4/5 teams
Quote from: balladmaker on June 12, 2023, 11:32:14 PM
Armagh by 7 ... you've nothing without hope ;D
Any word on the Rian situation?
I'm on that train also.
Armagh to top the group !!!!
That said I am somewhat delusional .
The group was better than I expected. Tyrone added a lot. The level of competition is high.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 3 qualifiers made it to the qfs.
Are the pre-lim's an open draw, whereby if 2nd, you can draw any 3rd from another group .. or are there any limitations e.g. can't play a team you've already played?
Are GAA people unique among sports followers in never reading, listening or taking in the formats, rules etc of competitions?
Mod 5 laid it all out for ye.
You can't draw the 3rd from your own Group and can't be repeats of Provincial Finals.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 13, 2023, 10:26:35 AM
Are GAA people unique among sports followers in never reading, listening or taking in the formats, rules etc of competitions?
Mod 5 laid it all out for ye.
You can't draw the 3rd from your own Group and can't be repeats of Provincial Finals.
I'm a busy man. Thanks for enlightening me :D
It's complicated. I wonder if the format will survive into next year.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 13, 2023, 11:57:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 13, 2023, 10:26:35 AM
Are GAA people unique among sports followers in never reading, listening or taking in the formats, rules etc of competitions?
Mod 5 laid it all out for ye.
You can't draw the 3rd from your own Group and can't be repeats of Provincial Finals.
I'm a busy man. Thanks for enlightening me :D
Trying to up the 6 Cos productivity ;D?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 13, 2023, 12:44:05 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 13, 2023, 11:57:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 13, 2023, 10:26:35 AM
Are GAA people unique among sports followers in never reading, listening or taking in the formats, rules etc of competitions?
Mod 5 laid it all out for ye.
You can't draw the 3rd from your own Group and can't be repeats of Provincial Finals.
I'm a busy man. Thanks for enlightening me :D
Trying to up the 6 Cos productivity ;D?
Singlehandedly, doing my best ;D
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2023, 12:35:19 PM
It's complicated. I wonder if the format will survive into next year.
I think there is an argument to be made ref. only 2 teams going through from each group to quarter-finals, as opposed to the pre-lim scenario. I know the current format was to avoid dead rubbers, but it feels like most games have a dead rubber feel to them once you've won one game. Attendances also speak for themselves. I think it will change again. Provincials need to be totally detached from All Ireland, run them at start of season, then into the league which will feed into the All Ireland seedings.
They also need to prolong the season by a few weeks, maybe All Ireland end of August instead of July, as the condensed nature of it at the minute is not ideal imo.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 13, 2023, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2023, 12:35:19 PM
It's complicated. I wonder if the format will survive into next year.
I think there is an argument to be made ref. only 2 teams going through from each group to quarter-finals, as opposed to the pre-lim scenario. I know the current format was to avoid dead rubbers, but it feels like most games have a dead rubber feel to them once you've won one game. Attendances also speak for themselves. I think it will change again. Provincials need to be totally detached from All Ireland, run them at start of season, then into the league which will feed into the All Ireland seedings.
They also need to prolong the season by a few weeks, maybe All Ireland end of August instead of July, as the condensed nature of it at the minute is not ideal imo.
There is an element of the unknown about it as well. We don't know how the 3rd placed teams will do. Maybe playing for 3rd place won't turn out to be a great idea. Maybe next year if it is retained teams will see it differently.
One of the positive aspects is that most matches have been competitive. And more games means more experience.
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2023, 12:35:19 PM
It's complicated. I wonder if the format will survive into next year.
Seen one journalist say its a three year trial. Nearly sure he's mixing up this format with the last group format in 2018,2019 which didn't see three years because of covid.
For this format to end and new one would need to replace it via congress though any tweaks will likely be done next year. I think it's only fair that every team that reaches the last 8 gets two weeks to prepare for that match.
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2023, 02:05:00 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 13, 2023, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2023, 12:35:19 PM
It's complicated. I wonder if the format will survive into next year.
I think there is an argument to be made ref. only 2 teams going through from each group to quarter-finals, as opposed to the pre-lim scenario. I know the current format was to avoid dead rubbers, but it feels like most games have a dead rubber feel to them once you've won one game. Attendances also speak for themselves. I think it will change again. Provincials need to be totally detached from All Ireland, run them at start of season, then into the league which will feed into the All Ireland seedings.
They also need to prolong the season by a few weeks, maybe All Ireland end of August instead of July, as the condensed nature of it at the minute is not ideal imo.
There is an element of the unknown about it as well. We don't know how the 3rd placed teams will do. Maybe playing for 3rd place won't turn out to be a great idea. Maybe next year if it is retained teams will see it differently.
One of the positive aspects is that most matches have been competitive. And more games means more experience.
The home tie for the second placed team should be a huge positive. In the Tailteann Cup Carlow beat Longford in the final league game. Which give Carlow the advantage in the prelim - they got a home tie with New York, Longford had to travel to Down. Now it did work out that there was a even split between home and away victories in that competition.
Kerry look like they should finish second in their group, and any side travelling to Killarney for the prelim, will find it difficult getting out of there with a good result. So the like of Armagh and Tyrone in this particular group, will be looking for second spot and a good home draw in the prelim
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 13, 2023, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2023, 12:35:19 PM
It's complicated. I wonder if the format will survive into next year.
Seen one journalist say its a three year trial. Nearly sure he's mixing up this format with the last group format in 2018,2019 which didn't see three years because of covid.
For this format to end and new one would need to replace it via congress though any tweaks will likely be done next year. I think it's only fair that every team that reaches the last 8 gets two weeks to prepare for that match.
Agree. The likes of Kerry won't know what has hit them this year ... finish second, play pre-lim, play Q/Final ... 3 games within a 2 week period, should be interesting. Thankfully, the days of playing 2 or 3 games in Munster to make it to an All Ireland Q/Final, or semi in the old days, are over.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 13, 2023, 03:24:31 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 13, 2023, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2023, 12:35:19 PM
It's complicated. I wonder if the format will survive into next year.
Seen one journalist say its a three year trial. Nearly sure he's mixing up this format with the last group format in 2018,2019 which didn't see three years because of covid.
For this format to end and new one would need to replace it via congress though any tweaks will likely be done next year. I think it's only fair that every team that reaches the last 8 gets two weeks to prepare for that match.
Agree. The likes of Kerry won't know what has hit them this year ... finish second, play pre-lim, play Q/Final ... 3 games within a 2 week period, should be interesting. Thankfully, the days of playing 2 or 3 games in Munster to make it to an All Ireland Q/Final, or semi in the old days, are over.
Even Armagh is better than any other Munster team and while Kerry should win such a game it would be dangerous to have a bad day.
I've decided to wait on Killarney for next weekend rather than go to Leitrim this weekend. What a shitty ground and venue for such a game, the low crowd and slow uptake in tickets says it all. Was not a game for Croker either as it would only have been 1/3 full...possible double header with 50-60k but the ideal ground would have been Brefni Pk or Tullamore etc. Anyway I expect Armagh to put up another gallant performance but still lose and play Kerry the following weekend which will probably be the end of their season (hope i'm wrong on both). This format is crap and fully expect change next year...The dates are a load of bollix...The Inter County season to be over by the end of July is shocking...
Rian O'Neill's appeal against his red card is taking place this evening.
Quote from: illdecide on June 13, 2023, 04:32:59 PM
I've decided to wait on Killarney for next weekend rather than go to Leitrim this weekend. What a shitty ground and venue for such a game, the low crowd and slow uptake in tickets says it all. Was not a game for Croker either as it would only have been 1/3 full...possible double header with 50-60k but the ideal ground would have been Brefni Pk or Tullamore etc. Anyway I expect Armagh to put up another gallant performance but still lose and play Kerry the following weekend which will probably be the end of their season (hope i'm wrong on both). This format is crap and fully expect change next year...The dates are a load of bollix...The Inter County season to be over by the end of July is shocking...
Armagh could top the group yet sure.
Quote from: illdecide on June 13, 2023, 04:32:59 PM
I've decided to wait on Killarney for next weekend rather than go to Leitrim this weekend. What a shitty ground and venue for such a game, the low crowd and slow uptake in tickets says it all. Was not a game for Croker either as it would only have been 1/3 full...possible double header with 50-60k but the ideal ground would have been Brefni Pk or Tullamore etc. Anyway I expect Armagh to put up another gallant performance but still lose and play Kerry the following weekend which will probably be the end of their season (hope i'm wrong on both). This format is crap and fully expect change next year...The dates are a load of bollix...The Inter County season to be over by the end of July is shocking...
Why do you say that? The vast majority of players are club players and they deserve a decent, proper structured season. We need to give it another year or 2 but the split season looks good so far. The games coming thick and fast is brilliant and means the season isn't stretched out for no reason.
In restaurants they operate split service. Some staff do breakfast and the evening meal. Other staff do lunchtime.
Something similar would work for clubs. April to May. September to October.
Standardise every county championship. No replays.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 13, 2023, 04:43:25 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 13, 2023, 04:32:59 PM
I've decided to wait on Killarney for next weekend rather than go to Leitrim this weekend. What a shitty ground and venue for such a game, the low crowd and slow uptake in tickets says it all. Was not a game for Croker either as it would only have been 1/3 full...possible double header with 50-60k but the ideal ground would have been Brefni Pk or Tullamore etc. Anyway I expect Armagh to put up another gallant performance but still lose and play Kerry the following weekend which will probably be the end of their season (hope i'm wrong on both). This format is crap and fully expect change next year...The dates are a load of bollix...The Inter County season to be over by the end of July is shocking...
Armagh could top the group yet sure.
Get your money on now.
Quote from: lenny on June 13, 2023, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 13, 2023, 04:32:59 PM
I've decided to wait on Killarney for next weekend rather than go to Leitrim this weekend. What a shitty ground and venue for such a game, the low crowd and slow uptake in tickets says it all. Was not a game for Croker either as it would only have been 1/3 full...possible double header with 50-60k but the ideal ground would have been Brefni Pk or Tullamore etc. Anyway I expect Armagh to put up another gallant performance but still lose and play Kerry the following weekend which will probably be the end of their season (hope i'm wrong on both). This format is crap and fully expect change next year...The dates are a load of bollix...The Inter County season to be over by the end of July is shocking...
Why do you say that? The vast majority of players are club players and they deserve a decent, proper structured season. We need to give it another year or 2 but the split season looks good so far. The games coming thick and fast is brilliant and means the season isn't stretched out for no reason.
+1👍
Quote from: Rossfan on June 13, 2023, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 13, 2023, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 13, 2023, 04:32:59 PM
I've decided to wait on Killarney for next weekend rather than go to Leitrim this weekend. What a shitty ground and venue for such a game, the low crowd and slow uptake in tickets says it all. Was not a game for Croker either as it would only have been 1/3 full...possible double header with 50-60k but the ideal ground would have been Brefni Pk or Tullamore etc. Anyway I expect Armagh to put up another gallant performance but still lose and play Kerry the following weekend which will probably be the end of their season (hope i'm wrong on both). This format is crap and fully expect change next year...The dates are a load of bollix...The Inter County season to be over by the end of July is shocking...
Why do you say that? The vast majority of players are club players and they deserve a decent, proper structured season. We need to give it another year or 2 but the split season looks good so far. The games coming thick and fast is brilliant and means the season isn't stretched out for no reason.
+1👍
The problem isn't the length of the county season. From January to July is 7 full months. The issue is the format with far too many warm up and meaningless games. We're now 6 months into the season and for the big team's there hasn't been one really important match yet that will have significant impact on whether there season is deemed successful. It'll all come down to the knockout stages from the last 12 on. The system needs changed.
The provincial championship needs played first ending no later than St Patrick's day. The winners should be guaranteed some kind of entry to the later stages of the championship if don't do well in the league. The league's should then be played - personally I think 3 divisions of around 11 teams would work best. Winners should be league champions. Around 7 teams should qualify from top division for the All Ireland play off stages and the division 2 (intermediate) and division 3 champions. Places determining what stage you enter the play off rounds.
One issue with the early finish to the county season and important club games during the summer that was never considered was the lack of availability of so many good players due to transfers to America.
Quote from: illdecide on June 13, 2023, 04:32:59 PM
I've decided to wait on Killarney for next weekend rather than go to Leitrim this weekend. What a shitty ground and venue for such a game, the low crowd and slow uptake in tickets says it all.
It's no Killarney but harsh on poor old Páirc Seán. Think it's venue with a lot of character and provides a good atmosphere when a decent crowd attends. Carrick On Shannon a lively spot for a championship game and picturesque along the Shannon.
I've still yet to see anyone from Armagh come up with a proper issue with the ground. Given it hasn't sold out there obviously wasn't a major issue with capacity. It's fairly central between both counties so no issue there. It's a decent ground which hosted an all Ireland u20 final last year.
It still seems like Armagh wanted it played close to home and over estimated their loyal support.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 13, 2023, 09:32:47 PM
I've still yet to see anyone from Armagh come up with a proper issue with the ground. Given it hasn't sold out there obviously wasn't a major issue with capacity. It's fairly central between both counties so no issue there. It's a decent ground which hosted an all Ireland u20 final last year.
It still seems like Armagh wanted it played close to home and over estimated their loyal support.
It is 40 mins from the nearest point in Galway and 1 Hour 40 from the nearest point in Armagh.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 13, 2023, 10:04:47 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 13, 2023, 09:32:47 PM
I've still yet to see anyone from Armagh come up with a proper issue with the ground. Given it hasn't sold out there obviously wasn't a major issue with capacity. It's fairly central between both counties so no issue there. It's a decent ground which hosted an all Ireland u20 final last year.
It still seems like Armagh wanted it played close to home and over estimated their loyal support.
It is 40 mins from the nearest point in Galway and 1 Hour 40 from the nearest point in Armagh.
Stop. Just stop.
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 13, 2023, 04:38:19 PM
Rian O'Neill's appeal against his red card is taking place this evening.
That's not what I understand
Quote from: David McKeown on June 13, 2023, 11:43:08 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 13, 2023, 04:38:19 PM
Rian O'Neill's appeal against his red card is taking place this evening.
That's not what I understand
That's what was reported on local radio here in Galway today and numerous other news outlets.
From the BBC:
Armagh will on Tuesday evening attempt to overturn Rian O'Neill's one-match ban for his red card in the All-Ireland SFC contest against Tyrone.
As it stands, O'Neill must serve a one-match suspension which will rule him out of Sunday's crucial concluding Group Two game against Galway.
However O'Neill is contesting the red card and that will be adjudicated on by the GAA's Central Hearings Committee.
O'Neill was sent off in the first half in Omagh by referee Martin McNally.
The Crossmaglen man's knee appeared to make contact with the head of Cormac Quinn but manager Kieran McGeeney said after the game that O'Neill insisted the Tyrone half-back had "pulled him down by the jersey".
Armagh go into Sunday's final series of round-robin games in third spot in Group Two and on course to at least earn a preliminary quarter-finals spot.
However if McGeeney's side were to lose in Carrick-on-Shannon against the table toppers and Westmeath shock Tyrone at Kingspan Breffni, it could see the Orchard men exiting the All-Ireland Championship on scoring difference.
Tyrone and Armagh both have a current score difference of -1 with Westmeath on -9.
The championship meeting between Galway and Armagh last summer saw the sides fight out an epic All-Ireland quarter-final which included a mass brawl at full-time in normal time before the Tribesmen clinched victory in a dramatic penalty shootout.
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 14, 2023, 12:13:09 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 13, 2023, 11:43:08 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 13, 2023, 04:38:19 PM
Rian O'Neill's appeal against his red card is taking place this evening.
That's not what I understand
That's what was reported on local radio here in Galway today and numerous other news outlets.
From the BBC:
Armagh will on Tuesday evening attempt to overturn Rian O'Neill's one-match ban for his red card in the All-Ireland SFC contest against Tyrone.
As it stands, O'Neill must serve a one-match suspension which will rule him out of Sunday's crucial concluding Group Two game against Galway.
However O'Neill is contesting the red card and that will be adjudicated on by the GAA's Central Hearings Committee.
O'Neill was sent off in the first half in Omagh by referee Martin McNally.
The Crossmaglen man's knee appeared to make contact with the head of Cormac Quinn but manager Kieran McGeeney said after the game that O'Neill insisted the Tyrone half-back had "pulled him down by the jersey".
Armagh go into Sunday's final series of round-robin games in third spot in Group Two and on course to at least earn a preliminary quarter-finals spot.
However if McGeeney's side were to lose in Carrick-on-Shannon against the table toppers and Westmeath shock Tyrone at Kingspan Breffni, it could see the Orchard men exiting the All-Ireland Championship on scoring difference.
Tyrone and Armagh both have a current score difference of -1 with Westmeath on -9.
The championship meeting between Galway and Armagh last summer saw the sides fight out an epic All-Ireland quarter-final which included a mass brawl at full-time in normal time before the Tribesmen clinched victory in a dramatic penalty shootout.
Yeah I understand it has been moved to tomorrow night
Some nerve to try overturn that. Everything is appealed these days. GAA top staff need grow some balls and update the rulebook. Gough said they don't want to know. Need bring in a rule unsuccessful appeals are doubled.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 14, 2023, 12:38:41 AM
Some nerve to try overturn that. Everything is appealed these days. GAA top staff need grow some balls and update the rulebook. Gough said they don't want to know. Need bring in a rule unsuccessful appeals are doubled.
I still dont think the reason he was sent off was a sending off offence. No point going round the houses but I definitely don't think it was as clear a red as is being suggested
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 14, 2023, 12:38:41 AM
Some nerve to try overturn that. Everything is appealed these days. GAA top staff need grow some balls and update the rulebook. Gough said they don't want to know. Need bring in a rule unsuccessful appeals are doubled.
I disagree with your last line but agree something needs to be done about appeals. In soccer if you appeal and the FA deem it a frivolous appeal they can increase the ban. Maybe something like that
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 14, 2023, 08:00:07 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 14, 2023, 12:38:41 AM
Some nerve to try overturn that. Everything is appealed these days. GAA top staff need grow some balls and update the rulebook. Gough said they don't want to know. Need bring in a rule unsuccessful appeals are doubled.
I disagree with your last line but agree something needs to be done about appeals. In soccer if you appeal and the FA deem it a frivolous appeal they can increase the ban. Maybe something like that
We in effect have that. Suspensions can increase on appeal so clubs and county boards usually aren't just taking a punt
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 14, 2023, 08:00:07 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 14, 2023, 12:38:41 AM
Some nerve to try overturn that. Everything is appealed these days. GAA top staff need grow some balls and update the rulebook. Gough said they don't want to know. Need bring in a rule unsuccessful appeals are doubled.
I disagree with your last line but agree something needs to be done about appeals. In soccer if you appeal and the FA deem it a frivolous appeal they can increase the ban. Maybe something like that
I hope O'Neill gets off on appeal and something comes to a head on this but it's unlikely it will.
Galway hurlers made a ridiculous appeal for Cianan Fahy to avoid a suspension last year for a stamp that was missed by the ref and it was successful, no county is immune from this. No one, bar John Mullane many moons ago, seems to be of a mind to take a suspension for blatant wrong doing. Appeals should be reserved for instances where players have clearly been done a disservice or where some other mistake has been made, I wouldn't class the red O'Neill got as either. I don't see the culture changing on this unfortunately.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 14, 2023, 08:12:27 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 14, 2023, 08:00:07 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 14, 2023, 12:38:41 AM
Some nerve to try overturn that. Everything is appealed these days. GAA top staff need grow some balls and update the rulebook. Gough said they don't want to know. Need bring in a rule unsuccessful appeals are doubled.
I disagree with your last line but agree something needs to be done about appeals. In soccer if you appeal and the FA deem it a frivolous appeal they can increase the ban. Maybe something like that
We in effect have that. Suspensions can increase on appeal so clubs and county boards usually aren't just taking a punt
An ok. Didn't know that. I still don't think he should be appealing. For me, it was a clear red. I know you think otherwise and I respect that. It's all about opinions
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 13, 2023, 05:20:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 13, 2023, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 13, 2023, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 13, 2023, 04:32:59 PM
I've decided to wait on Killarney for next weekend rather than go to Leitrim this weekend. What a shitty ground and venue for such a game, the low crowd and slow uptake in tickets says it all. Was not a game for Croker either as it would only have been 1/3 full...possible double header with 50-60k but the ideal ground would have been Brefni Pk or Tullamore etc. Anyway I expect Armagh to put up another gallant performance but still lose and play Kerry the following weekend which will probably be the end of their season (hope i'm wrong on both). This format is crap and fully expect change next year...The dates are a load of bollix...The Inter County season to be over by the end of July is shocking...
Why do you say that? The vast majority of players are club players and they deserve a decent, proper structured season. We need to give it another year or 2 but the split season looks good so far. The games coming thick and fast is brilliant and means the season isn't stretched out for no reason.
+1👍
The problem isn't the length of the county season. From January to July is 7 full months. The issue is the format with far too many warm up and meaningless games. We're now 6 months into the season and for the big team's there hasn't been one really important match yet that will have significant impact on whether there season is deemed successful. It'll all come down to the knockout stages from the last 12 on. The system needs changed.
The provincial championship needs played first ending no later than St Patrick's day. The winners should be guaranteed some kind of entry to the later stages of the championship if don't do well in the league. The league's should then be played - personally I think 3 divisions of around 11 teams would work best. Winners should be league champions. Around 7 teams should qualify from top division for the All Ireland play off stages and the division 2 (intermediate) and division 3 champions. Places determining what stage you enter the play off rounds.
One issue with the early finish to the county season and important club games during the summer that was never considered was the lack of availability of so many good players due to transfers to America.
I like the thought behind some of what you propose, but would division 3 champions not be lambs to the slaughter in AI series? They also wont get a crack at winning championship at their own level?
I did mean to say that division 2 and 3 should start earlier with top 6 or something qualifying for the knockout stages of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior Championships. Both finals played as a double header in Croke Park. Winners then getting some kind of play off match in All Ireland series as reward. Granted the division 3 champions might struggle but at least they'd be coming in with momentum.
No matter what there has to be a better set up than the current thrown together mess.
is that similar to what proposal b was
Don't see the point in going to well for O'Neill on this one, I assume we're approaching the Galway match realistically and not expecting to win by 7+ pts, no point in burning more matches mentally & physically to come up short and more than likely facing a real do or die match away the following weekend. Should let O'Neill serve his ban and give some game to time to McConville.
Any sign of Tiernan Kelly, injured?
Quote from: Eire90 on June 14, 2023, 10:02:45 AM
is that similar to what proposal b was
Proposal B
"The proposal brings together the format of the national league with the All-Ireland played out amongst the last 10 teams, based on final league placings, spread across the divisions – five from the first, three from the second and the top teams in the third and fourth – so that every county can aspire to qualifying."
Quote from: bennydorano on June 14, 2023, 10:28:17 AM
Don't see the point in going to well for O'Neill on this one, I assume we're approaching the Galway match realistically and not expecting to win by 7+ pts, no point in burning more matches mentally & physically to come up short and more than likely facing a real do or die match away the following weekend. Should let O'Neill serve his ban and give some game to time to McConville.
Any sign of Tiernan Kelly, injured?
Yes he's injured again
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2023, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 14, 2023, 10:02:45 AM
is that similar to what proposal b was
Proposal B
"The proposal brings together the format of the national league with the All-Ireland played out amongst the last 10 teams, based on final league placings, spread across the divisions – five from the first, three from the second and the top teams in the third and fourth – so that every county can aspire to qualifying."
Flaws with that proposal as well as in 6th to 8th teams in Division 1 should get a crack at Sam.
Quote from: statto on June 14, 2023, 11:46:16 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2023, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 14, 2023, 10:02:45 AM
is that similar to what proposal b was
Proposal B
"The proposal brings together the format of the national league with the All-Ireland played out amongst the last 10 teams, based on final league placings, spread across the divisions – five from the first, three from the second and the top teams in the third and fourth – so that every county can aspire to qualifying."
Flaws with that proposal as well as in 6th to 8th teams in Division 1 should get a crack at Sam.
Nobody's perfect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mHhr-aaLnI
Quote from: bennydorano on June 14, 2023, 10:28:17 AM
Don't see the point in going to well for O'Neill on this one, I assume we're approaching the Galway match realistically and not expecting to win by 7+ pts, no point in burning more matches mentally & physically to come up short and more than likely facing a real do or die match away the following weekend. Should let O'Neill serve his ban and give some game to time to McConville.
Any sign of Tiernan Kelly, injured?
Wouldn't trust Tyrone to beat Westmeath so we need all hands for the Galway game
Quote from: David McKeown on June 14, 2023, 10:55:33 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 14, 2023, 10:28:17 AM
Don't see the point in going to well for O'Neill on this one, I assume we're approaching the Galway match realistically and not expecting to win by 7+ pts, no point in burning more matches mentally & physically to come up short and more than likely facing a real do or die match away the following weekend. Should let O'Neill serve his ban and give some game to time to McConville.
Any sign of Tiernan Kelly, injured?
Yes he's injured again
Armagh must have soem of the longest player injuries.
I cannot remember trhe last time I saw Oisin O'Neill or Ciaran O'Hanlon play.
Quote from: naka on June 14, 2023, 12:05:33 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 14, 2023, 10:28:17 AM
Don't see the point in going to well for O'Neill on this one, I assume we're approaching the Galway match realistically and not expecting to win by 7+ pts, no point in burning more matches mentally & physically to come up short and more than likely facing a real do or die match away the following weekend. Should let O'Neill serve his ban and give some game to time to McConville.
Any sign of Tiernan Kelly, injured?
Wouldn't trust Tyrone to beat Westmeath so we need all hands for the Galway game
Yeah, but in all likelihood revisit this on Sunday night and Galway & Tyrone will have won. Debatable us at full strength, in the current circumstances, will make much of a difference v Galway as well. We're in a shite position tbh.
Quote from: Orior on June 14, 2023, 12:52:53 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 14, 2023, 10:55:33 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 14, 2023, 10:28:17 AM
Don't see the point in going to well for O'Neill on this one, I assume we're approaching the Galway match realistically and not expecting to win by 7+ pts, no point in burning more matches mentally & physically to come up short and more than likely facing a real do or die match away the following weekend. Should let O'Neill serve his ban and give some game to time to McConville.
Any sign of Tiernan Kelly, injured?
Yes he's injured again
Armagh must have soem of the longest player injuries.
I cannot remember trhe last time I saw Oisin O'Neill or Ciaran O'Hanlon play.
Did the irish news not mention in an article that he is back in training now? I doubt it though.
Rian O'Neill brings a lot to Armagh. It's worth a go I think. It's all about momentum
Are Armagh feeling the after effects of the Ulster Championship? They played a preliminary round, 3 more including the lost final. Tyrone didn't.
3 cake walks and a battle in the final
Still more matches than the other 3.
When exactly was Rian's appeal?
Quote from: Orior on June 14, 2023, 06:48:19 PM
When exactly was Rian's appeal?
Yesterday, dhera
https://www.radiokerry.ie/sport/armagh-attempting-to-get-rian-oneill-cleared-to-play-galway-335060
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2023, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 14, 2023, 06:48:19 PM
When exactly was Rian's appeal?
Yesterday, dhera
https://www.radiokerry.ie/sport/armagh-attempting-to-get-rian-oneill-cleared-to-play-galway-335060
Tonight
Quote from: David McKeown on June 14, 2023, 07:57:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2023, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 14, 2023, 06:48:19 PM
When exactly was Rian's appeal?
Yesterday, dhera
https://www.radiokerry.ie/sport/armagh-attempting-to-get-rian-oneill-cleared-to-play-galway-335060
Tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPo5wWmKEaI
Quote from: David McKeown on June 14, 2023, 07:57:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2023, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 14, 2023, 06:48:19 PM
When exactly was Rian's appeal?
Yesterday, dhera
https://www.radiokerry.ie/sport/armagh-attempting-to-get-rian-oneill-cleared-to-play-galway-335060
Tonight
Unsuccessful
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 14, 2023, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 14, 2023, 09:06:52 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 14, 2023, 07:57:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 14, 2023, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 14, 2023, 06:48:19 PM
When exactly was Rian's appeal?
Yesterday, dhera
https://www.radiokerry.ie/sport/armagh-attempting-to-get-rian-oneill-cleared-to-play-galway-335060
Tonight
Unsuccessful
One or two match ban he received?
He got a one match ban.
Hopefully that hits home for Rian, getting involved too often caught up with him. Not only did the sending off forfeit the Tyrone game, it could go a long way to greatly shortening Armagh's season. Yes, Rian get's extra attention each game, he needs to rise above that.
Lad causes half the shit himself, he shouldering Glass and Lynch after the ulster final parade. And always stuck in any mishaps.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 15, 2023, 12:54:34 AM
Hopefully that hits home for Rian, getting involved too often caught up with him. Not only did the sending off forfeit the Tyrone game, it could go a long way to greatly shortening Armagh's season. Yes, Rian get's extra attention each game, he needs to rise above that.
I think Riain gives the extra attention to others. Fabricated nonsense from the Armagh corner over this. Riain is not a victim here. He is the agressor and has a history. Still a good player and will be a great player when he learns discipline but the real problem Armagh have is that they dont seem to know where or how to use him.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 15, 2023, 12:54:34 AM
Hopefully that hits home for Rian, getting involved too often caught up with him. Not only did the sending off forfeit the Tyrone game, it could go a long way to greatly shortening Armagh's season. Yes, Rian get's extra attention each game, he needs to rise above that.
Rian na ndeoir. The trace of tears
No idea why Armagh appealed and no idea why they asked to move the game to Croke Park. Two silly decisions in my book.
Rian deserves his ban. Will he learn from it? I'd doubt that in the short term anyway.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 15, 2023, 10:51:02 AM
No idea why Armagh appealed and no idea why they asked to move the game to Croke Park. Two silly decisions in my book.
Rian deserves his ban. Will he learn from it? I'd doubt that in the short term anyway.
Fair Play. Hes a potentially great player but I feel he would be wasted as Armagh's Michael Murphy postion. Donegal through away the last 5 years on that move.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 15, 2023, 10:51:02 AM
No idea why Armagh appealed and no idea why they asked to move the game to Croke Park. Two silly decisions in my book.
Rian deserves his ban. Will he learn from it? I'd doubt that in the short term anyway.
Agreed. He's involved in too much crap that doesn't serve anyone well.
I think as a general principle Rian gives a lot and takes a lot. He doesn't seem to protest much. I think the suspension decision is wrong for what he was sent off for but I am not going to suggest that there haven't been other incidents that he was lucky to get away with.
What does annoy me though is the nonsense from the CCCC that he somehow endangered Player safety more than a lot of what we saw even in the same match let alone this year. I really think something needs done to tackle the inconsistency of approach. Otherwise there will always be a perception of injustice which will result in appeals.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 15, 2023, 11:41:05 AM
I think as a general principle Rian gives a lot and takes a lot. He doesn't seem to protest much. I think the suspension decision is wrong for what he was sent off for but I am not going to suggest that there haven't been other incidents that he was lucky to get away with.
What does annoy me though is the nonsense from the CCCC that he somehow endangered Player safety more than a lot of what we saw even in the same match let alone this year. I really think something needs done to tackle the inconsistency of approach. Otherwise there will always be a perception of injustice which will result in appeals.
It was a red card can't complain about that. Rian has always played on the edge and often over the edge this isn't a new thing. He's made a silly mistake and hopefully he can learn from it. Aidan Forker was similar in his younger years and was then targetted as he was seen as easy to windup and got a number of red cards, but has matured in last number of years, hopefully Rian can follow this and continue to show what a talent he is. I recall a podcast where Forker said the turning point was his wife took the child to league game in Louth and she was late and by time got into stand he had already got the line.
Quote from: rrhf on June 15, 2023, 09:35:45 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 15, 2023, 12:54:34 AM
Hopefully that hits home for Rian, getting involved too often caught up with him. Not only did the sending off forfeit the Tyrone game, it could go a long way to greatly shortening Armagh's season. Yes, Rian get's extra attention each game, he needs to rise above that.
I think Riain gives the extra attention to others. Fabricated nonsense from the Armagh corner over this. Riain is not a victim here. He is the agressor and has a history. Still a good player and will be a great player when he learns discipline but the real problem Armagh have is that they dont seem to know where or how to use him.
ONeill gets plenty of attention just like the top players in other teams. If you cant see that then you have the blinkers well and truly on. Does he need to look at his own behaviour? Of course he does but that does not mean he doesnt get extra attention when he plays
Looks like plenty of tain coming in for yhe weekend. Wonder how that'll impact the games
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 15, 2023, 12:45:52 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 15, 2023, 09:35:45 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 15, 2023, 12:54:34 AM
Hopefully that hits home for Rian, getting involved too often caught up with him. Not only did the sending off forfeit the Tyrone game, it could go a long way to greatly shortening Armagh's season. Yes, Rian get's extra attention each game, he needs to rise above that.
I think Riain gives the extra attention to others. Fabricated nonsense from the Armagh corner over this. Riain is not a victim here. He is the agressor and has a history. Still a good player and will be a great player when he learns discipline but the real problem Armagh have is that they dont seem to know where or how to use him.
Genuinely do not think he does. Do you expect other teams not to plan for him as they do all the best players. This lad could be as good as a Shane Mc Guigan, Comer or Walsh who all get targetted but not neccesarily in a dark arts way and who let their football do the talking. He is the tightest cub on most pitches he plays on and he leaves something in off the ball quite a lot and usually sins first. And if you think he dosent do it in almost every game then you dont follow the armagh club championship or you definitely have the blinkers on.
ONeill gets plenty of attention just like the top players in other teams. If you cant see that then you have the blinkers well and truly on. Does he need to look at his own behaviour? Of course he does but that does not mean he doesnt get extra attention when he plays
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2023, 03:49:32 AM
Why should people respond to an inconvenient venue by buying tickets 10 days before a game? People could have decided to go on the day if Galway and the GAA were not acting the bollix.
72 hours to go until the game of the year and the 9000 tickets have.... *checks website*... not sold out yet.
They built a new 20k stand in Carrick last weekend ::)
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 15, 2023, 03:33:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2023, 03:49:32 AM
Why should people respond to an inconvenient venue by buying tickets 10 days before a game? People could have decided to go on the day if Galway and the GAA were not acting the bollix.
72 hours to go until the game of the year and the 9000 tickets have.... *checks website*... not sold out yet.
And your point is.
Seagulls still following the trawler
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 15, 2023, 05:12:44 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 15, 2023, 03:33:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2023, 03:49:32 AM
Why should people respond to an inconvenient venue by buying tickets 10 days before a game? People could have decided to go on the day if Galway and the GAA were not acting the bollix.
72 hours to go until the game of the year and the 9000 tickets have.... *checks website*... not sold out yet.
And your point is.
That Armagh county boards concerns about the capacity of the ground in Carrick on Shannon grossly exaggerated the travelling support.
Quote from: statto on June 15, 2023, 12:13:29 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 15, 2023, 11:41:05 AM
I think as a general principle Rian gives a lot and takes a lot. He doesn't seem to protest much. I think the suspension decision is wrong for what he was sent off for but I am not going to suggest that there haven't been other incidents that he was lucky to get away with.
What does annoy me though is the nonsense from the CCCC that he somehow endangered Player safety more than a lot of what we saw even in the same match let alone this year. I really think something needs done to tackle the inconsistency of approach. Otherwise there will always be a perception of injustice which will result in appeals.
It was a red card can't complain about that. Rian has always played on the edge and often over the edge this isn't a new thing. He's made a silly mistake and hopefully he can learn from it. Aidan Forker was similar in his younger years and was then targetted as he was seen as easy to windup and got a number of red cards, but has matured in last number of years, hopefully Rian can follow this and continue to show what a talent he is. I recall a podcast where Forker said the turning point was his wife took the child to league game in Louth and she was late and by time got into stand he had already got the line.
I disagree that what he received the red card for was actually a red card and whilst I don't disagree over Rian being close to the edge I don't think that justified the sending off either. But unless Armagh lodge an appeal that's over.
I do however think it's not an either or thing. Rian is rightly criticised for his behaviour at times but I don't think it's fair to say he should be more mature etc without also criticising the behaviour of those who try to provoke the reaction. It's that lack of consistency that annoys me
Quote from: David McKeown on June 15, 2023, 07:16:43 PM
Quote from: statto on June 15, 2023, 12:13:29 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 15, 2023, 11:41:05 AM
I think as a general principle Rian gives a lot and takes a lot. He doesn't seem to protest much. I think the suspension decision is wrong for what he was sent off for but I am not going to suggest that there haven't been other incidents that he was lucky to get away with.
What does annoy me though is the nonsense from the CCCC that he somehow endangered Player safety more than a lot of what we saw even in the same match let alone this year. I really think something needs done to tackle the inconsistency of approach. Otherwise there will always be a perception of injustice which will result in appeals.
It was a red card can't complain about that. Rian has always played on the edge and often over the edge this isn't a new thing. He's made a silly mistake and hopefully he can learn from it. Aidan Forker was similar in his younger years and was then targetted as he was seen as easy to windup and got a number of red cards, but has matured in last number of years, hopefully Rian can follow this and continue to show what a talent he is. I recall a podcast where Forker said the turning point was his wife took the child to league game in Louth and she was late and by time got into stand he had already got the line.
I disagree that what he received the red card for was actually a red card and whilst I don't disagree over Rian being close to the edge I don't think that justified the sending off either. But unless Armagh lodge an appeal that's over.
I do however think it's not an either or thing. Rian is rightly criticised for his behaviour at times but I don't think it's fair to say he should be more mature etc without also criticising the behaviour of those who try to provoke the reaction. It's that lack of consistency that annoys me
Fair enough comment David but the thing is nobody has any sympathy for him when he gets cards etc., rightly or wrongly and whether he's provked or not unfortunately.
RedHand88 can you please stop whingeing about Armagh's objection to the venue and their travelling support etc.? If the shoe was on the other foot, Tyrone would have done the exact same thing, probably with more litigators involved.
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If riain o Neill knee drop incident wasn't a red card then we should forget about protecting players at all full stop. He's a top level athlete, and should know what is going in. The
Incident caught on camera is a fact, insinuating provocation is what Armagh do well, it certainly is not a fact and I for one really doubt it.
Now an alternative fact might be that He was obviously not fit to play as he was gesticulating to the physio a few mins before about a quad muscle and he was only a few minutes from leaving the field with injury so he went out to hit hard and take a yellow which he did. Many a man done it before many will do it again. He's a great player and soon will be back. Now This is speculative opinion but only as much as to say he was provoked.
There was no knee drop.
https://youtu.be/izHPKwcg8bw
Knee drop.
Holding knee on face.
I can't see how anybody can deny either of those statements. The rabbit punch is debatable.
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If the team named starts then Sweeney and Maher can feel hard done by, Sweeney in particular has been really good in both group games to date but McHugh was always going to come straight back in I suppose. They are two great lads to be bringing in from the bench though and reflects some of the improved squad depth this year, Maher made a power of difference after his introduction against Westmeath. The condition of Finnerty is one to watch, only forward on that bench you'd be counting on for scores if changes needed. Burke and Walsh could do with showing up well on Sunday.
Interesting to see Cillian Ó Curraoin comes into the 26, he's not long in the panel after some of the U20's were brought in.
Actually, does anyone have the list of changes to the Galway championship panel? Reported that Gallagher departed and St. James' tweeted about Sam O'Neill's inclusion, any other information?
That teamsheet is making me mad for a supermacs
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If the team named starts then Sweeney and Maher can feel hard done by, Sweeney in particular has been really good in both group games to date but McHugh was always going to come straight back in I suppose. They are two great lads to be bringing in from the bench though and reflects some of the improved squad depth this year, Maher made a power of difference after his introduction against Westmeath. The condition of Finnerty is one to watch, only forward on that bench you'd be counting on for scores if changes needed. Burke and Walsh could do with showing up well on Sunday.
Interesting to see Cillian Ó Curraoin comes into the 26, he's not long in the panel after some of the U20's were brought in.
Actually, does anyone have the list of changes to the Galway championship panel? Reported that Gallagher departed and St. James' tweeted about Sam O'Neill's inclusion, any other information?
I don't have the full list of changes but heard Gallagher was dropped alright. There is at least another one or two more of the under 20s in training with them also.
Heard recently that Eoghan Kelly back playing a bit of club - I presume to get him up to speed.
Agreed re Sweeney - he has been one of our most consistent performers this season.
I could see him starting and Burke dropping out yet.
Maher was exceptional when he came on in Mullingar. I like the idea of having him to bring on this weekend in the same way as that day though.
Pj certainly not afraid to shake up the 26 anyway which is good to see. Keeps lads on their toes I guess.
For all that Maher was brilliant when he came on the last day and Sweeneys had a very good year, I struggle to see who you'd replace for them.
Hernon maybe, but given that this will in all likelihood be our least important game to come, it makes sense to continue the experiment after a good showing. I don't think we're at the stage where Conroy doesn't start yet, especially in provincial grounds, or a game like this where game management and a few clear brains (given score difference) will be important. Burke is the only other option and it would cause a reshuffle, and leave us light a man inside given Walsh drops so deep.
With those two and Finnerty, I think we've 18 players now and we can introduce anyone at any stage and not weaken the whole. It's nice to think we can potentially finish a game with as strong a team as starts, as was the case with the last two All Ireland winners. It's a big change from last year at least. If we manage to get Molloy back to an impact sub role, that becomes 19 with some specific role players (Fitz, Mulkerrin, Tomo) you wouldn't be too afraid to throw in
Was always surprised that Gallagher didn't get more chances. Always thought he looked useful off the bench at least. Was a strong runner and could take a score. Played regularly during the first half of last year's league but wasn't used much after that. Wasn't even getting off the bench this year and then disappeared from the bench altogether. Not surprise I guess that he was either dropped off or left the panel. But I thought there was a player there. As a bench option at least.
Gallagher gone-attitude was not what was expected by management according to rumours, Ryan Monaghan from Oughterard gone too, I think I saw he's gone to America for the summer and Nathan Grainger from Claregalway was a 3rd one I heard that just stepped away.
There was nobody on the bench for the last 25 minutes of the all Ireland final last year.
After 47 minutes Galway led by 2 points, 0-14 to 0-12. Kerry scored 8 points to Galway's 2 from then on.
Rectifying that has been the work of the year so far. There has been a lot of progress.
Back door Gaa podcast has Liam O Conghaile as one of the u20s called in also.
He was injured for the Connacht u20 c'ship.
Saw him earlier this year and he looked good.
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Higgins selected is a strange one for Armagh not much football all year, presume he is in to match up Comer physically. McCambridge omitted again held Walsh scoreless from play in the league game would have expected him to start ahead of Paddy Burns. No real complaints from midfield up Comiskey has been a good impact player. Armagh will need big games from the full forward line I feel and Grugan to play well.
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Higgins selected is a strange one for Armagh not much football all year, presume he is in to match up Comer physically. McCambridge omitted again held Walsh scoreless from play in the league game would have expected him to start ahead of Paddy Burns. No real complaints from midfield up Comiskey has been a good impact player. Armagh will need big games from the full forward line I feel and Grugan to play well.
The names in Irish are interesting. Coilleach Eanach is hard to link to Cullyhanna, which is nonsense
Droimeann Ti is easy
Cill Sleibhe is interesting . Did they drop the s to get Killeavy?
Coilleach Eanna presumably sounded like Kwulla Anna in the Gaeilge of South Armagh.
Perhaps it should be Cill Shléibhe?
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 15, 2023, 10:13:22 PM
There was no knee drop.
and trump and Johnson were innocent as well. Totally unfair this world...
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Higgins selected is a strange one for Armagh not much football all year, presume he is in to match up Comer physically. McCambridge omitted again held Walsh scoreless from play in the league game would have expected him to start ahead of Paddy Burns. No real complaints from midfield up Comiskey has been a good impact player. Armagh will need big games from the full forward line I feel and Grugan to play well.
The names in Irish are interesting. Coilleach Eanach is hard to link to Cullyhanna, which is nonsense
Droimeann Ti is easy
Cill Sleibhe is interesting . Did they drop the s to get Killeavy?
I mind my Irish teacher used to give out to me that our club should be Clan Na nGael and why wasnt it that... like i was head of making those decisions :)
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Higgins selected is a strange one for Armagh not much football all year, presume he is in to match up Comer physically. McCambridge omitted again held Walsh scoreless from play in the league game would have expected him to start ahead of Paddy Burns. No real complaints from midfield up Comiskey has been a good impact player. Armagh will need big games from the full forward line I feel and Grugan to play well.
The names in Irish are interesting. Coilleach Eanach is hard to link to Cullyhanna, which is nonsense
Droimeann Ti is easy
Cill Sleibhe is interesting . Did they drop the s to get Killeavy?
I like looking for clan family names in the wrong county. For example, a Magennis playing for Armagh, while an O'Hanlon played for Down.
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Higgins selected is a strange one for Armagh not much football all year, presume he is in to match up Comer physically. McCambridge omitted again held Walsh scoreless from play in the league game would have expected him to start ahead of Paddy Burns. No real complaints from midfield up Comiskey has been a good impact player. Armagh will need big games from the full forward line I feel and Grugan to play well.
The names in Irish are interesting. Coilleach Eanach is hard to link to Cullyhanna, which is nonsense
Droimeann Ti is easy
Cill Sleibhe is interesting . Did they drop the s to get Killeavy?
I like looking for clan family names in the wrong county. For example, a Magennis playing for Armagh, while an O'Hanlon played for Down.
The GAA connection to geographical place must be special in organised sport
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 15, 2023, 10:26:31 PM
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Knee drop.
Holding knee on face.
I can't see how anybody can deny either of those statements. The rabbit punch is debatable.
I don't see a knee drop and it wasn't included in the referees report. The red card was for keeping his knees on his opponent, which I do have a problem with given said opponent was pulling him (as opposed to pushing him) at the time and when the player is keeping his feet under his knees and on the ground reducing the weight going through the knees. But the decision has been made, hopefully it's a precedent that's not followed.
On the game it's self I can only see a Galway win but I think Armagh will still progress because as I understand it Armagh have to lose by at least 5 to be in dangerous and even then it would still need a very specific result in the other match.
I can appreciate most people see incidents from their own teams point of view and I would agree there was no knee drop but surely you can see that Rian was the one that moved his knee towards Quinn head. Quinn did not pull his knee or leg towards his head. Why would he do that?
Tell me were there other incidents where Rian was getting hit or anything else off the ball that got him riled up? Genuine question.
Do you not think it's strange that most neutrals see it this way and think it was a red card and even now after it went to appeal who obviously looked it again and again from the various angles, ye still don't accept maybe ye have it wrong.
Are you saying that putting a knee on a players head should only be a yellow card?
Rian seemed pretty determined to not let Quinn back up or walk away from the incident
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Higgins selected is a strange one for Armagh not much football all year, presume he is in to match up Comer physically. McCambridge omitted again held Walsh scoreless from play in the league game would have expected him to start ahead of Paddy Burns. No real complaints from midfield up Comiskey has been a good impact player. Armagh will need big games from the full forward line I feel and Grugan to play well.
The names in Irish are interesting. Coilleach Eanach is hard to link to Cullyhanna, which is nonsense
Droimeann Ti is easy
Cill Sleibhe is interesting . Did they drop the s to get Killeavy?
I like looking for clan family names in the wrong county. For example, a Magennis playing for Armagh, while an O'Hanlon played for Down.
It isn't always clear cut as major clans spread across several counties. Take Tyrone for example, the origin of the UI Neill came from Inishowen modern Donegal but Tyrone love playing up the O'Neill and UI Neill history thing. I know that the medieval O'Neill were centred in Cookstown and Dungannon but the UI Neill goes back long before that. In fact my own county of Derry was part of the original Cenel Eoghain. People in the GAA like to over simplify Irish history.
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Higgins selected is a strange one for Armagh not much football all year, presume he is in to match up Comer physically. McCambridge omitted again held Walsh scoreless from play in the league game would have expected him to start ahead of Paddy Burns. No real complaints from midfield up Comiskey has been a good impact player. Armagh will need big games from the full forward line I feel and Grugan to play well.
The names in Irish are interesting. Coilleach Eanach is hard to link to Cullyhanna, which is nonsense
Droimeann Ti is easy
Cill Sleibhe is interesting . Did they drop the s to get Killeavy?
I like looking for clan family names in the wrong county. For example, a Magennis playing for Armagh, while an O'Hanlon played for Down.
It isn't always clear cut as major clans spread across several counties. Take Tyrone for example, the origin of the UI Neill came from Inishowen modern Donegal but Tyrone love playing up the O'Neill and UI Neill history thing. I know that the medieval O'Neill were centred in Cookstown and Dungannon but the UI Neill goes back long before that. In fact my own county of Derry was part of the original Cenel Eoghain. People in the GAA like to over simplify Irish history.
Irish history goes back a very long way compared to Ulster Protestant history cough cough.
There were a lot of changes over the years.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 17, 2023, 04:05:56 PM
I can appreciate most people see incidents from their own teams point of view and I would agree there was no knee drop but surely you can see that Rian was the one that moved his knee towards Quinn head. Quinn did not pull his knee or leg towards his head. Why would he do that?
Tell me were there other incidents where Rian was getting hit or anything else off the ball that got him riled up? Genuine question.
Do you not think it's strange that most neutrals see it this way and think it was a red card and even now after it went to appeal who obviously looked it again and again from the various angles, ye still don't accept maybe ye have it wrong.
Are you saying that putting a knee on a players head should only be a yellow card?
Rian seemed pretty determined to not let Quinn back up or walk away from the incident
If this is aimed at me, I have never denied he shouldn't have had a red card. He put his knee on the guys head. A definite red card. There was no knee drop though.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 17, 2023, 04:05:56 PM
I can appreciate most people see incidents from their own teams point of view and I would agree there was no knee drop but surely you can see that Rian was the one that moved his knee towards Quinn head. Quinn did not pull his knee or leg towards his head. Why would he do that?
Tell me were there other incidents where Rian was getting hit or anything else off the ball that got him riled up? Genuine question.
Do you not think it's strange that most neutrals see it this way and think it was a red card and even now after it went to appeal who obviously looked it again and again from the various angles, ye still don't accept maybe ye have it wrong.
Are you saying that putting a knee on a players head should only be a yellow card?
Rian seemed pretty determined to not let Quinn back up or walk away from the incident
I think you have to look at each scenario on its merits.
To answer your questions I dont see a deliberate move by Rian with his knee towards Quinn's head. I do see his knee being in contact with Quinns head but that comes about in the context of a scuffle between at least the two players. Why Quinn engaged in a scuffle is immaterial and not something I can answer. Nor do I know what incidents may or may not have riled up Rian but again I don't see the relevance. What I do see as relevant though is that O'Neill wasnt sent off for that either he was sent off for keeping his knee on Quinn's head thus endangering Quinn's safety.
Dealing with your other points I don't think there's a consistent approach to why it should have been a red card. In fact Ive read three or four different versions of why it should have been red on this thread alone. Either people think he dropped the knees (which he didn't and which he wasn't sent off for). Some seem to think it was a red because hes that type of player (which he maybe but that irrelevant to whether he should have been sent off or not) There's others who think it was a red just because he knee was on Quinn's head which I again disagree with for two reasons. Firstly the footage shows that when his knee is in contact with Quinn's head Quinn is attempting to pull Rian towards him. He is not trying to push him off as would be the natural reaction if someone had their knee on your head. I think that is something that serious questions have to be asked about. Secondly I think its important to note that Rian keeps his feet below his knees and on the ground minimising any weight that would act through his knees. So in this instance I don't see any deliberate or reckless act by Rian that should give rise to the sending off. As a result I dont think theres a consistent view on why it should have been red
I do think its important to note that he was sent off for keeping his knees there and I think the circumstances of that were such that its difficult to accept that was a definitive red.
In respect of your last point, in all the footage I have seen Rian isnt letting Quinn up because he cant as Quinn is pulling him downward and not pushing him away as would be the normal reaction if someone is on top of you.
To sum up I dont think it was a red, I do think its clever play by Quinn who I think makes the incident worse and who I dont think ever feared for his safety. I also place little to no weight on the judgements of the CHCC. That said its done and over, time to move on with tomorrows game.
I should add I think the single most dangerous thing to happen in the match was Mackin's hit in the second half for which he was booked. To me that should have been red.
If you can't win the group would you now rather finish second or third?
Looking at the potential opponents Armagh could now face we would be better off losing and finishing third now.
Am not Tyrone or Armagh but I can't understand how anybody query that card, you can see on replays O'Neill putting his weight down on u man.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2023, 03:45:47 PM
If you can't win the group would you now rather finish second or third?
Third. That said I'm todays performance Kildare would beat us
Little difference now. As long as there's no more upsets today
Per Raidio na Gaeltachta McHugh #5 and Comer *14 will not line out for Galway and due to an administrative c*ck up cannot be added to the subs.
Surely that's something to intensify the measurement on the Armagh excitement richter scale.
10mins before the start of the game and it's totally empty behind 1 of the nets.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2023, 03:48:08 PM
Am not Tyrone or Armagh but I can't understand how anybody query that card, you can see on replays O'Neill putting his weight down on u man.
Similarly I can't see how anyone can say that. I think we should just agree to disagree.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2023, 03:49:55 PM
10mins before the start of the game and it's totally empty behind 1 of the nets.
Maybe people went to Croke Park by mistake?
I've never seen so many people take an interest in the attendance at a game their county isn't involved in. Sad
Not at all, people done nothing but complain that it was too small a stadium for both supports. Doesn't seem to be the case by the look of it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2023, 04:09:11 PM
Not at all, people don't nothing but complain that it was too small a stadium for both supports. Doesn't seem to be the case by the look of it.
They're mad in the fucken head. Only supporters in Ireland who'd prefer a game was played in an empty Croke park just so their non-member Buckfast boozing hardcore never miss out.
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These two teams are overcoached. The lack of spontaneity and risk taking is startling.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2023, 04:09:11 PM
Not at all, people don't nothing but complain that it was too small a stadium for both supports. Doesn't seem to be the case by the look of it.
Like I said. Sad
Another Armagh wide .
That should be 3 black cards there
Thought that was initially a penalty but on review there, Kelly went down very easy.
Justice for the Kelly dive!
Who was hitting the digs while Sean Kelly was on the ground?
A 4 point swing there
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2023, 04:25:32 PM
Thought that was initially a penalty but on review there, Kelly went down very easy.
Whether he went down easy or not matters none.
Getting tackled simultaneously by 4 people, including a push in the back. If that's not a foul, then f**k me why would anyone ever try to referee a game again.
Is there a rule in football that Goalkeeper must stay on his line?
That was never a penalty
Good goal
Galway may have good Forwards but their defence, outside of Kelly is not as good as some of the other top teams.
Have we never seen Kelly play before.
Galway engineered 3 scoring chances following the bit where they couldn't find a way past the Armagh cover and Hernon shot wide .
Armagh have to limit the wides.
Harsh yellow
What do we have to do to get a free?
McQuillan is a joke
35 mins Westmeath 0-06 Tyrone 0-07
Very little in this bar Armagh getting cleaned at Mf when they force Gleeson long.
McQuillan is so bad!
5 wides for Armagh. Tsk task. No O'Hanlons involved
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 18, 2023, 04:26:10 PM
Who was hitting the digs while Sean Kelly was on the ground?
Jesus christ, just seeing that now. Think there were 2 boxing the head of him on the ground
Stuff like that should be reviewed at half time and cards brandished on resumption of second half
Armagh finding it harder to get decisions off McQuillan. I don't know what Gooch is watching saying Galway played all the football. Not much in it imo.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 18, 2023, 04:44:49 PM
Darragh Canavan is a very good player.
Which is lucky for Tyrone because they've fcuk all else.
Apart from 6 or 7 all stars
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Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 18, 2023, 04:44:49 PM
Darragh Canavan is a very good player.
Which is lucky for Tyrone because they've fcuk all else.
Apart from 6 or 7 all stars
Mustn't be playing like allstars now
Armagh could easily score 3-4 goals this half.
Unfortunately they'll only start trying to do so in the last couple of mins.
6,803 attendance 🤣🤣
Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2023, 04:58:31 PM
6,803 attendance 🤣🤣
Would look well in an 82,500 stadium.
McQuillan points to where the free is. Galway player just ignores him and takes it from a couple years an ahead. This needs to be dealt with. Yes I know all teams do it, I'm using that as an example
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2023, 04:25:32 PM
Thought that was initially a penalty but on review there, Kelly went down very easy.
Whether he went down easy or not matters none.
Getting tackled simultaneously by 4 people, including a push in the back. If that's not a foul, then f**k me why would anyone ever try to referee a game again.
I thought he was pushed and it was a penalty but you can have 15 tackling simultaneously and it not be a foul. Couldn't see the digs to the head from where I was so can't comment
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 18, 2023, 04:59:54 PM
McQuillan points to where the free is. Galway player just ignores him and takes it from a couple years an ahead. This needs to be dealt with. Yes I know all teams do it, I'm using that as an example
Get the spray out!! No quick frees mind you as he'd have to spray 13 meters from the ball ;D
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2023, 04:25:32 PM
Thought that was initially a penalty but on review there, Kelly went down very easy.
Whether he went down easy or not matters none.
Getting tackled simultaneously by 4 people, including a push in the back. If that's not a foul, then f**k me why would anyone ever try to referee a game again.
I thought he was pushed and it was a penalty but you can have 15 tackling simultaneously and it not be a foul. Couldn't see the digs to the head from where I was so can't comment
You're right David but I'll rephrase. 4 men tackling him heavily at once.
6 wides
Galway fans booing kicks. They must have learnt that from Derry as apparently we invented it..
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 18, 2023, 05:13:51 PM
Galway fans booing kicks. They must have learnt that from Derry as apparently we invented it..
Dublin learned it from Derry also then. Despite doing it many years ago haha
Derry always did it. You just didn't hear it most years....
Galway by 2
Some of these free in's Westmeath are getting are ridiculous.
That ref in Tyrone game is a joke
Scandalous how that wasn't a black card and a penalty for Tyrone.
WTF...
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 18, 2023, 05:18:09 PM
Derry always did it. You just didn't hear it most years....
What time does the Tyrone game throw in? Might watch it
Should that not be a black card and a penalty for tyrone. All commentators seem to think so
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 18, 2023, 05:18:09 PM
Derry always did it. You just didn't hear it most years....
What time does the Tyrone game throw in? Might watch it
😂
Quote from: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 05:22:05 PM
Scandalous how that wasn't a black card and a penalty for Tyrone.
Ridiculous. Are these referees assessed on these games? He needs coaching on the rules.
Quote from: red hander on June 18, 2023, 05:22:00 PM
That ref in Tyrone game is a joke
Doing his best to keep Westmeath in it.
That should have been a txt book example of the rule. You will not get a clearer example.
Football is dead. Watching Armagh vs Galway as a neutral. 70 sideward/backward passes before anyone takes a risk. Brutal!
Joe McQuillan doesn't help matters failing to implement basic rulings with consistency, but then awards bullshit soft frees.
Rule change needed in Gaelic Football.
Quote from: guevara on June 18, 2023, 05:26:39 PM
Football is dead. Watching Armagh vs Galway as a neutral. 70 sideward/backward passes before anyone takes a risk. Brutal!
Joe McQuillan doesn't help matters failing to implement basic rulings with consistency, but then awards bullshit soft frees.
Rule change needed in Gaelic Football.
More rule changes? Ok
Galway by 1
Quote from: guevara on June 18, 2023, 05:26:39 PM
Football is dead. Watching Armagh vs Galway as a neutral. 70 sideward/backward passes before anyone takes a risk. Brutal!
Joe McQuillan doesn't help matters failing to implement basic rulings with consistency, but then awards bullshit soft frees.
Rule change needed in Gaelic Football.
Every so often Sean Kelly gets the ball and you're glad you stayed with it. Superb player
T'is getting ridiculous now in these calls.
Quote from: guevara on June 18, 2023, 05:26:39 PM
Football is dead. Watching Armagh vs Galway as a neutral. 70 sideward/backward passes before anyone takes a risk. Brutal!
Joe McQuillan doesn't help matters failing to implement basic rulings with consistency, but then awards bullshit soft frees.
Rule change needed in Gaelic Football.
I'm enjoying this game and the earlier game too.
I know it's brutal the way both teams set up but all the higher up teams all set this way. Been a very tight game all the way through.
Quote from: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 05:22:05 PM
Scandalous how that wasn't a black card and a penalty for Tyrone.
These things even themselves out over the course of a season!
That's a joke that was a mark
Joe McQuillan would wear you out. Soft frees given for any tackle, technical calls ignored.
Quote from: straightred on June 18, 2023, 05:29:40 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 18, 2023, 05:26:39 PM
Football is dead. Watching Armagh vs Galway as a neutral. 70 sideward/backward passes before anyone takes a risk. Brutal!
Joe McQuillan doesn't help matters failing to implement basic rulings with consistency, but then awards bullshit soft frees.
Rule change needed in Gaelic Football.
Every so often Sean Kelly gets the ball and you're glad you stayed with it. Superb player
Absolutely
What's the actual rules on the mark? Galway lad was about 10 yards away lol. It need's scrapped.
the way the tyrone game is (and assuming they win) is I think even a narrow defeat is okay for Galway
FFS Joe. He fell over
Quote from: straightred on June 18, 2023, 05:35:38 PM
FFS Joe. He fell over
This one is a foul but the time is well up
Fuckin Joe McQuillan that was well over!
20m to kick outside the 45m, so u could kick it nearly straight across to a man who is a m inside the 45, if u are a even a metre ouysife the 45 but correct distance away.
Quote from: straightred on June 18, 2023, 05:38:07 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 18, 2023, 05:35:38 PM
FFS Joe. He fell over
This one is a foul but the time is well up
Just tuned in as hit happened. Definitely a foul. Completely stupid to do. Not sure where the extra time came out though
Stupid tackle. Shoulder to the head. Time well up.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 18, 2023, 05:39:37 PM
Are Tyrone out?
Yeah - think so. Even if they score this its a draw so armagh have 3 and finsih 2nd.
Where did he get the time from? There didn't seem to be any undue stoppages in injury time and he played almost 2mins over before the Galway free.
Walsh not better to hit that one from the ground.
Wow
We win the group?
You think Armagh management won the all-Ireland.
But if justice there Armagh deserved that. Really enjoyable game!
Had Westmeath pointed that last free then Tyrone would have finished bottom of the group?
Ref nearly put tyrone out. Heslin kicking himself with that last free miss
Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2023, 05:43:05 PM
But if justice there Armagh deserved that. Really enjoyable game!
Not really. The free that armagh got to go ahead was a farce. The armagh #14 ran up the field and fell over. That's the free that won it. Joe then tried to give Galway a chance by playing extra time from nowhere but they missed it
f**king hell, what an outcome, game & group ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: straightred on June 18, 2023, 05:45:27 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2023, 05:43:05 PM
But if justice there Armagh deserved that. Really enjoyable game!
Not really. The free that armagh got to go ahead was a farce. The armagh #14 ran up the field and fell over. That's the free that won it. Joe then tried to give Galway a chance by playing extra time from nowhere but they missed it
It was as much a foul as the penalty
Will Kelly and Comer be fit for next weekend??!!
Armagh win the group and they are rubbish.
There 4 nail biting games today, so much for the fellows complaining about snooze football and a toxic championship format.
Great result and best performance of the season by Armagh against the odds. Errigal Ciaran scrape through in third.
Unbelievable Jeff!
Long, long overdue that bit of luck.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 18, 2023, 05:42:38 PM
We win the group?
Yessir, straight into the quarters, do not pass go. Some result
Galway made a solid balls of that. 2nd probably the worst position to finish even ahead of 3rd given how the groups finished. Out now again next weekend with Kelly and Comer carrying knocks. Some of the frees Armagh got down the stretch were ridiculously soft. I reckon 2 of their last 3 points weren't frees at all.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 18, 2023, 05:46:14 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 18, 2023, 05:45:27 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2023, 05:43:05 PM
But if justice there Armagh deserved that. Really enjoyable game!
Not really. The free that armagh got to go ahead was a farce. The armagh #14 ran up the field and fell over. That's the free that won it. Joe then tried to give Galway a chance by playing extra time from nowhere but they missed it
It was as much a foul as the penalty
Hmmm. Maybe not actually
Serious result for Armagh, best for years? Hard luck to Westmeath so competitive in every game learnt a lot more about themselves than another year in the Tailteann Cup
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The murnin one was absolutely a foul. Watch Conroy's legs- it was very indisciplined.
If anyone could explain to me what McKay was trying to achieve with that tackle at the death I'd love to know. He's lucky he didn't get the line it was similar to Frank Burns' one.
Completely braindead!
Not much contact on Murnin for that last free, and he was definitely looking it, but the hand on the back from the Galway defender was clear as day.
Soft, harsh, frustrating - call it whatever you want, but a hand on the forward's back has been a free all day long since forever.
If tyrone held out for a 1 point win it would have been:
1. Galway
2. Tyrone
3. Armagh
With such small groups the swings can be wild. It makes the third games exciting that's for sure.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 18, 2023, 05:54:06 PM
Last Armagh one def not free.
Wasn't even close to a free. Knew he had no support up with him so just fell over. Couldn't believe his luck I'd say.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 18, 2023, 05:55:15 PM
If tyrone held out for a 1 point win it would have been:
1. Galway
2. Tyrone
3. Armagh
With such small groups the swings can be wild. It makes the third games exciting that's for sure.
If Healin had put that free over would Tyrone have been out on head to head?
Any truth to the rumour Armagh have requested Croke Park to be available as home venue for their quarter final?
Quote from: JoG2 on June 18, 2023, 05:56:43 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 18, 2023, 05:55:15 PM
If tyrone held out for a 1 point win it would have been:
1. Galway
2. Tyrone
3. Armagh
With such small groups the swings can be wild. It makes the third games exciting that's for sure.
If Healin had put that free over would Tyrone have been out on head to head?
Yes.
"As bad a decision as you're ever going to see" - Paddy Andrews on Kilpatrick penalty call
It was stone wall. No other way about it. Though few other frees were weak as well, but in the usual bias viewing of your own team. But that call was just ridiculous. You could not have got a better example of where it should be implemented. I do not understand how a ref could get it so wrong. The players were in space so viewing was easy, there was no other potential defender to muddy the water. There was no grey area. The only explanation I can think of is that the ref obviously doesn't understand the rule, which would be a bit of a concern.
On the grand scheme it doesn't matter much, but imagine if that happened in a big game.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 18, 2023, 06:00:36 PM
Any truth to the rumour Armagh have requested Croke Park to be available as home venue for their quarter final?
That's a quick rumour...
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 18, 2023, 06:00:36 PM
Any truth to the rumour Armagh have requested Croke Park to be available as home venue for their quarter final?
Played out kid, plus all QF venues (proper) TBD by HQ, so 2 X double headers at Croke Park are 100% cert. Home advantage is for preliminary QF.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2023, 06:13:29 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 18, 2023, 06:00:36 PM
Any truth to the rumour Armagh have requested Croke Park to be available as home venue for their quarter final?
Played out kid, plus all QF venues (proper) TBD by HQ, so 2 X double headers at Croke Park are 100% cert. Home advantage is for preliminary QF.
pretty sure the quarters are at the county grounds? Heard earlier derry will be at home in their QF I thought
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Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2023, 06:13:29 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 18, 2023, 06:00:36 PM
Any truth to the rumour Armagh have requested Croke Park to be available as home venue for their quarter final?
Played out kid, plus all QF venues (proper) TBD by HQ, so 2 X double headers at Croke Park are 100% cert. Home advantage is for preliminary QF.
pretty sure the quarters are at the county grounds? Heard earlier derry will be at home in their QF I thought
Venues
Venues for the All-Ireland Quarter-Finals, Semi-Finals and Final shall be determined by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
Armagh straight into a quarter final and will now avoid Dublin, Kerry and probably Galway I presume. Which is a huge reward for Walsh missing that last free kick and Tyrone messing up against Westmeath. But fully merited on that display today and it could be a big turning point of our season. All the experienced players stood up today with Forker and Grugan rolling back the years whilst Soupy and Murnin made very important contributions as well. Turbitt plays much better when Rian doesn't play which I don't think is a coincidence. Our midfield were getting cleaned out in the first half and whilst Mackin and Crealey mightn't be the most naturally talented pairing about, they really stood up in that second half with very brave dogged displays.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2023, 06:13:29 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 18, 2023, 06:00:36 PM
Any truth to the rumour Armagh have requested Croke Park to be available as home venue for their quarter final?
Played out kid, plus all QF venues (proper) TBD by HQ, so 2 X double headers at Croke Park are 100% cert. Home advantage is for preliminary QF.
Ah jesus lad. Bit of craic.
Quote from: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 05:46:37 PM
Armagh win the group and they are rubbish.
Armagh the only team in that group to win against 15 men and they did it twice. No one else did it all. So deserved if lucky Group win
Quote from: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 05:46:37 PM
Armagh win the group and they are rubbish.
Doesn't say much for the other 3 teams then
Enjoyable trip to Carrick on Shannon for all Armagh supporters. Revenge for last year defeat the daftness of a penalty shoot out. Lucky Tyrone avoid an early exit but the draw allows Armagh finish top and the final league table does not lie.
Quote from: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 05:46:37 PM
Armagh win the group and they are rubbish.
Because of the rules. Which are arbitrary.
Good luck to Armagh.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2023, 06:32:51 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 05:46:37 PM
Armagh win the group and they are rubbish.
Armagh the only team in that group to win against 15 men and they did it twice. No one else did it all. So deserved if lucky Group win
The professional foul at the end was poor form.
I doubt even Croke Park is big enough to house all the Armagh fans after that. Maybe play it in Phoenix Park.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 18, 2023, 06:46:56 PM
I doubt even Croke Park is big enough to house all the Armagh fans after that. Maybe play it in Phoenix Park.
Down might play in the warm up game before us in the 1/4 finals.....
Might head to CP, can't bate a bandwagon
Looking at the highlights and Westmeath really bottled that 13 metre free kick at the death to knock Tyrone out.
Anyone claiming Murnin wasn't fouled is talking through their holes. He was exhausted and going nowhere and the defender decided to slap the arm around him from the back anyway.
Rather than Murnin or McQuillan (who tried his level best to get Galway an equaliser) turn your ire on Cooke who decided to play the completely unnecessary ball in the first place or the defender who let it hop over him for Murnin to run onto.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 18, 2023, 06:48:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 18, 2023, 06:46:56 PM
I doubt even Croke Park is big enough to house all the Armagh fans after that. Maybe play it in Phoenix Park.
Down might play in the warm up game before us in the 1/4 finals.....
Might head to CP, can't bate a bandwagon
Premium level I hope. Need the prawn sambos.
Tyrone away to Cork with a bit of luck.
Nice handy wee spin
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 18, 2023, 06:54:35 PM
Tyrone away to Cork with a bit of luck.
Nice handy wee spin
Nah we'll just ask for it to be moved to Croke Park to accommodate the travelling support.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 18, 2023, 06:48:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 18, 2023, 06:46:56 PM
I doubt even Croke Park is big enough to house all the Armagh fans after that. Maybe play it in Phoenix Park.
Down might play in the warm up game before us in the 1/4 finals.....
Might head to CP, can't bate a bandwagon
I've been on the "bandwagon " for 50 years....not much of a band and even less of a wagon
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2023, 06:51:45 PM
Anyone claiming Murnin wasn't fouled is talking through their holes. He was exhausted and going nowhere and the defender decided to slap the seem around him from the back anyway.
Rather than Murnin or McQuillan (who tried his level best to get Galway an equaliser) turn your ire on Cooke who decided to play the completely unnecessary ball in the first place or the defender who let it hop over him for Murnin to run onto.
Exactly, McQuillan has been woeful for years and as soon as Armagh scored the free kick to go one up, I nearly knew that he would give Galway another chance. He should be known as The Equaliser as his entire career has been based on bringing the team that is behind back into it. It would have been disgraceful if Galway had scored that last free kick to equalise as he played over a minute and a half added time when there were no stoppages within the 3 minutes injury time. Galway should be looking at why they left Kelly on the field clearly injured for about 3-4 minutes before they replaced him, I had just presumed that they had used up all of their subs when they didn't take off a player clearly not able to walk properly.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 18, 2023, 06:56:04 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 18, 2023, 06:54:35 PM
Tyrone away to Cork with a bit of luck.
Nice handy wee spin
Nah we'll just ask for it to be moved to Croke Park to accommodate the travelling support.
The only boys who are cuter hoors than you lit are Cork
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2023, 06:44:58 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2023, 06:32:51 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 05:46:37 PM
Armagh win the group and they are rubbish.
Armagh the only team in that group to win against 15 men and they did it twice. No one else did it all. So deserved if lucky Group win
The professional foul at the end was poor form.
It was stupid is what it was
Best of luck to Armagh the rest of the way, great result for ye.
Rarely been as livid leaving a match, forget any talk about the ref, Galway absolutely just fucked that game away.themselves.
Missed peno, 3 missed scorable frees, Burke cannot find a return pass to let Walsh through with the goal open and Rafferty scrambling back, crazy bad decision making up front, balls picked up off the ground. Mental. There's no cut up top at all without Comer. Talk of squad depth looks overblown after today. Only one point in it, but I'm the context of the season, it's everything.
That missed free at the end is the difference between having a chance, and only a slim chance the way Galway are playing, and no chance at the big show.
Winners of Sam will be either Kerry, Dublin, Derry or Armagh, I'd give the 2nd and 3rd teams none at this stage, players are going to get knocks again next week and it's too much of a hard schedule after the games this week.
Mayo's implosion was even worse given they were 6 points up and Rossies lost as well, bad day for Connacht.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 18, 2023, 06:58:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2023, 06:44:58 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2023, 06:32:51 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 05:46:37 PM
Armagh win the group and they are rubbish.
Armagh the only team in that group to win against 15 men and they did it twice. No one else did it all. So deserved if lucky Group win
The professional foul at the end was poor form.
It was stupid is what it was
Disagree. Think it was clever. Been saying for years we are nowhere near cynical enough.
Took the man out almost on the sideline. Never an easy free.
If the Galway lad gets the ball and gives one decent pass they are in the danger zone.
Clever ( almost Mickey Harte level) play.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 18, 2023, 06:48:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 18, 2023, 06:46:56 PM
I doubt even Croke Park is big enough to house all the Armagh fans after that. Maybe play it in Phoenix Park.
Down might play in the warm up game before us in the 1/4 finals.....
Might head to CP, can't bate a bandwagon
+2002 😎
As good a Sunday as have had in years
Quote from: naka on June 18, 2023, 07:12:36 PM
As good a Sunday as have had in years
Tyrone shitting the bed makes it sweeter too. Sliding doors moment's all day.
So the format works? But then is two rounds of poor games a sacrifice worth taking?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 18, 2023, 06:54:15 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 18, 2023, 06:10:49 PM
It was stone wall. No other way about it. Though few other frees were weak as well, but in the usual bias viewing of your own team. But that call was just ridiculous. You could not have got a better example of where it should be implemented. I do not understand how a ref could get it so wrong. The players were in space so viewing was easy, there was no other potential defender to muddy the water. There was no grey area. The only explanation I can think of is that the ref obviously doesn't understand the rule, which would be a bit of a concern.
On the grand scheme it doesn't matter much, but imagine if that happened in a big game.
I'm not sure it is as cut & dried as you think though my understanding of the rules might not be 100%. I was under the impression that the foul had to be one of the black card offences. If so, which one is it? I don't think it would be a black card anywhere elsewhere on the pitch.
That said, it should be written into the rules.
Quote5.41 Notwithstanding provisions of existing Playing
Rules 2.2 Exception (i), 5 and specifically 5.40, if one of the following infractions-
(a) To deliberately pull down an opponent (5.10) or
(b) To deliberately trip an opponent with hand (s),arm, leg, or foot, (5.11) or
(c) To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play (5.12) is committed on an attacking player who or, in the case of a Rule 5.12 (Football) Infraction, his team, is denied of a goal-scoring opportunity, as defined in Important Terms and Definitions 9, the following penalties shall apply:
(i) A Penalty Kick shall be awarded to the team affected.
(ii) The offender shall be issued with a BlackCard and be sent to the Sin Bin for 10 minutes.
I think the ref must have deceided that it wasn't a pull down - it was a pull back.
Why the rules committee drafted the rule this way I will never fathom - you see it all the time that defenders will do their best to pull/drag the player back but do their damdest not to make it look like they are pulling the player down in the direction of the ground.
Yet again another penalty saved where the goal-keeper was clearly well off his line with the shot was taken.
The GAA really needs to up their game in relation to this issue.
Occasionally a ref will ping for it during a penalty shoot-out but the vast majority of the time a goalie will get away with it during a match.
If a keeper guesses the right way and is well off his line it increases his odds of saving it massively.
Quote from: naka on June 18, 2023, 07:12:36 PM
As good a Sunday as have had in years
Many wondered could we get the last day drama of the NFL in the championship? well today was just like that with plenty of twist and turns plus shock result and it all points to a successful first year of this group format,
The debate isn't about whether the format can produce drama, of course it can. It's about whether we should go through an exercise of playing 24 games to eliminate 4 teams. The 4 teams that have gone are the 4 that were expected to go. There is very, very little jeopardy in the whole thing.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2023, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: naka on June 18, 2023, 07:12:36 PM
As good a Sunday as have had in years
Tyrone shitting the bed makes it sweeter too. Sliding doors moment's all day.
Tyrone didn't shit any bed. The ref did his best to get Westmeath the win.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2023, 07:33:26 PM
Quote from: naka on June 18, 2023, 07:12:36 PM
As good a Sunday as have had in years
Many wondered could we get the last day drama of the NFL in the championship? well today was just like that with plenty of twist and turns plus shock result and it all points to a successful first year of this group format,
RTE missed a trick not showing live league tables.
Quote from: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2023, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: naka on June 18, 2023, 07:12:36 PM
As good a Sunday as have had in years
Tyrone shitting the bed makes it sweeter too. Sliding doors moment's all day.
Tyrone didn't shit any bed. The ref did his best to get Westmeath the win.
If the Westmeath 13 metre free goes over at the death as it really should have done then Tyrone are sent packing. So it was Westmeath who bottled it. But Tyrone have shown yet again just how mediocre they are since winning that All Ireland 2 years ago. Yet a lot of people still seem to be waiting for them to produce a big performance out of nowhere. I think they are simply playing at the level of their capability.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2023, 07:33:26 PM
Quote from: naka on June 18, 2023, 07:12:36 PM
As good a Sunday as have had in years
Many wondered could we get the last day drama of the NFL in the championship? well today was just like that with plenty of twist and turns plus shock result and it all points to a successful first year of this group format,
Jez, you have been taken in by this Tippy-Tappy stuff, so you have!
Just home from the Tyrone game, obv you'll always have a bias when it comes to your own county but that fecking eejit in the middle shouldn't be let near another game this year. So many things to pick from but not giving that penalty was scandalous, you'll never get a more clear cut example of how that rule should be implemented.
Controversial opinion but I think it suits us better to have finished 3rd over 2nd. Would rather Cork, donegal or Kildare away than the 3rd Place teams home.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 18, 2023, 07:56:57 PM
Just home from the Tyrone game, obv you'll always have a bias when it comes to your own county but that fecking eejit in the middle shouldn't be let near another game this year. So many things to pick from but not giving that penalty was scandalous, you'll never get a more clear cut example of how that rule should be implemented.
Controversial opinion but I think it suits us better to have finished 3rd over 2nd. Would rather Cork, donegal or Kildare away than the 3rd Place teams home.
Second is the position I didn't want to finish in
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 18, 2023, 07:50:26 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2023, 07:33:26 PM
Quote from: naka on June 18, 2023, 07:12:36 PM
As good a Sunday as have had in years
Many wondered could we get the last day drama of the NFL in the championship? well today was just like that with plenty of twist and turns plus shock result and it all points to a successful first year of this group format,
RTE missed a trick not showing live league tables.
No kidding,
Marty Morrissey was so locked into his usual geography lessons that the clown forgot to inform folks that if Galway missed the last free Armagh would be top of the group.
he only had five minutes to do it as the Tyrone game was well over due to the injury at the end.
I was wondering why the Armagh crowd were going crazy after the final whistle.
Usual amateur hour stuff by him and RTE.
Quote from: joemamas on June 18, 2023, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 18, 2023, 07:50:26 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2023, 07:33:26 PM
Quote from: naka on June 18, 2023, 07:12:36 PM
As good a Sunday as have had in years
Many wondered could we get the last day drama of the NFL in the championship? well today was just like that with plenty of twist and turns plus shock result and it all points to a successful first year of this group format,
RTE missed a trick not showing live league tables.
No kidding,
Marty Morrissey was so locked into his usual geography lessons that the clown forgot to inform folks that if Galway missed the last free Armagh would be top of the group.
he only had five minutes to do it as the Tyrone game was well over due to the injury at the end.
I was wondering why the Armagh crowd were going crazy after the final whistle.
Usual amateur hour stuff by him and RTE.
And he still can't pronounce Maghery correctly!!
Quote from: yellowcard on June 18, 2023, 06:58:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2023, 06:51:45 PM
Anyone claiming Murnin wasn't fouled is talking through their holes. He was exhausted and going nowhere and the defender decided to slap the seem around him from the back anyway.
Rather than Murnin or McQuillan (who tried his level best to get Galway an equaliser) turn your ire on Cooke who decided to play the completely unnecessary ball in the first place or the defender who let it hop over him for Murnin to run onto.
Exactly, McQuillan has been woeful for years and as soon as Armagh scored the free kick to go one up, I nearly knew that he would give Galway another chance. He should be known as The Equaliser as his entire career has been based on bringing the team that is behind back into it. It would have been disgraceful if Galway had scored that last free kick to equalise as he played over a minute and a half added time when there were no stoppages within the 3 minutes injury time. Galway should be looking at why they left Kelly on the field clearly injured for about 3-4 minutes before they replaced him, I had just presumed that they had used up all of their subs when they didn't take off a player clearly not able to walk properly.
Jaysus lads. McKay went in like an utter lunatic. Armagh defenders never learn. When there's a half chance to mel a man they go for it every time.
I hate hearing people give out about referees, but it is time to address these problems. Tyrone were so poor anyway but the referee was so potentially decisive today and we were almost eliminated. Very very poor performance. Don't know who he is not care.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 18, 2023, 08:34:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 18, 2023, 06:58:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2023, 06:51:45 PM
Anyone claiming Murnin wasn't fouled is talking through their holes. He was exhausted and going nowhere and the defender decided to slap the seem around him from the back anyway.
Rather than Murnin or McQuillan (who tried his level best to get Galway an equaliser) turn your ire on Cooke who decided to play the completely unnecessary ball in the first place or the defender who let it hop over him for Murnin to run onto.
Exactly, McQuillan has been woeful for years and as soon as Armagh scored the free kick to go one up, I nearly knew that he would give Galway another chance. He should be known as The Equaliser as his entire career has been based on bringing the team that is behind back into it. It would have been disgraceful if Galway had scored that last free kick to equalise as he played over a minute and a half added time when there were no stoppages within the 3 minutes injury time. Galway should be looking at why they left Kelly on the field clearly injured for about 3-4 minutes before they replaced him, I had just presumed that they had used up all of their subs when they didn't take off a player clearly not able to walk properly.
Jaysus lads. McKay went in like an utter lunatic. Armagh defenders never learn. When there's a half chance to mel a man they go for it every time.
He actually leveled his own team mate along with the Galway lad.
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2023, 07:40:12 PM
The debate isn't about whether the format can produce drama, of course it can. It's about whether we should go through an exercise of playing 24 games to eliminate 4 teams. The 4 teams that have gone are the 4 that were expected to go. There is very, very little jeopardy in the whole thing.
Exactly right.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 18, 2023, 08:34:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 18, 2023, 06:58:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2023, 06:51:45 PM
Anyone claiming Murnin wasn't fouled is talking through their holes. He was exhausted and going nowhere and the defender decided to slap the seem around him from the back anyway.
Rather than Murnin or McQuillan (who tried his level best to get Galway an equaliser) turn your ire on Cooke who decided to play the completely unnecessary ball in the first place or the defender who let it hop over him for Murnin to run onto.
Exactly, McQuillan has been woeful for years and as soon as Armagh scored the free kick to go one up, I nearly knew that he would give Galway another chance. He should be known as The Equaliser as his entire career has been based on bringing the team that is behind back into it. It would have been disgraceful if Galway had scored that last free kick to equalise as he played over a minute and a half added time when there were no stoppages within the 3 minutes injury time. Galway should be looking at why they left Kelly on the field clearly injured for about 3-4 minutes before they replaced him, I had just presumed that they had used up all of their subs when they didn't take off a player clearly not able to walk properly.
Jaysus lads. McKay went in like an utter lunatic. Armagh defenders never learn. When there's a half chance to mel a man they go for it every time.
McQuillan should have blown the game before it but you're right Armagh are really indisciplined in their tackling. There's no other team near the top even close to them in this regard. It really is a major flaw of theirs and I don't understand why they don't focus on it.
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2023, 03:49:41 PM
Per Raidio na Gaeltachta McHugh #5 and Comer *14 will not line out for Galway and due to an administrative c*ck up cannot be added to the subs.
Of all the stupid mistakes Galway made today, this had to top the lot. It's going to be Galway Mayo in Salthill next weekend, isn't it! We can't get Tyrone but what's the story with Roscommon? We've played them in Connacht championship but does that matter?
Quote from: restorepride on June 18, 2023, 08:30:30 PM
Quote from: joemamas on June 18, 2023, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 18, 2023, 07:50:26 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2023, 07:33:26 PM
Quote from: naka on June 18, 2023, 07:12:36 PM
As good a Sunday as have had in years
Many wondered could we get the last day drama of the NFL in the championship? well today was just like that with plenty of twist and turns plus shock result and it all points to a successful first year of this group format,
RTE missed a trick not showing live league tables.
No kidding,
Marty Morrissey was so locked into his usual geography lessons that the clown forgot to inform folks that if Galway missed the last free Armagh would be top of the group.
he only had five minutes to do it as the Tyrone game was well over due to the injury at the end.
I was wondering why the Armagh crowd were going crazy after the final whistle.
Usual amateur hour stuff by him and RTE.
And he still can't pronounce Maghery correctly!!
I noticed that. I thought Enda mc ginley was about to correct him at one stage , but maybe he hadn't heard of maghery before either ;D
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 18, 2023, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2023, 03:49:41 PM
Per Raidio na Gaeltachta McHugh #5 and Comer *14 will not line out for Galway and due to an administrative c*ck up cannot be added to the subs.
Of all the stupid mistakes Galway made today, this had to top the lot. It's going to be Galway Mayo in Salthill next weekend, isn't it! We can't get Tyrone but what's the story with Roscommon? We've played them in Connacht championship but does that matter?
Earlier in championship doesent matter AFAIK, just provincial finalists & already played in group stage
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 18, 2023, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2023, 03:49:41 PM
Per Raidio na Gaeltachta McHugh #5 and Comer *14 will not line out for Galway and due to an administrative c*ck up cannot be added to the subs.
Of all the stupid mistakes Galway made today, this had to top the lot. It's going to be Galway Mayo in Salthill next weekend, isn't it! We can't get Tyrone but what's the story with Roscommon? We've played them in Connacht championship but does that matter?
I don't think so. I think the restriction applies only to the group stage. So we couldn't play Throne.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2023, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 18, 2023, 08:34:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 18, 2023, 06:58:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2023, 06:51:45 PM
Anyone claiming Murnin wasn't fouled is talking through their holes. He was exhausted and going nowhere and the defender decided to slap the seem around him from the back anyway.
Rather than Murnin or McQuillan (who tried his level best to get Galway an equaliser) turn your ire on Cooke who decided to play the completely unnecessary ball in the first place or the defender who let it hop over him for Murnin to run onto.
Exactly, McQuillan has been woeful for years and as soon as Armagh scored the free kick to go one up, I nearly knew that he would give Galway another chance. He should be known as The Equaliser as his entire career has been based on bringing the team that is behind back into it. It would have been disgraceful if Galway had scored that last free kick to equalise as he played over a minute and a half added time when there were no stoppages within the 3 minutes injury time. Galway should be looking at why they left Kelly on the field clearly injured for about 3-4 minutes before they replaced him, I had just presumed that they had used up all of their subs when they didn't take off a player clearly not able to walk properly.
Jaysus lads. McKay went in like an utter lunatic. Armagh defenders never learn. When there's a half chance to mel a man they go for it every time.
McQuillan should have blown the game before it but you're right Armagh are really indisciplined in their tackling. There's no other team near the top even close to them in this regard. It really is a major flaw of theirs and I don't understand why they don't focus on it.
Their game is based on playing on the edge - hard to change that in the dying embers of a game. Shane Walsh needs a good kick in the h*** - 'show-off' stuff at its worst. Real notion of himself rather than just tap it over to secure the quarter final place. A great talent but bigger ego. He could learn a few things from Seán Ó Ceallaigh.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 18, 2023, 07:55:17 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2023, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: naka on June 18, 2023, 07:12:36 PM
As good a Sunday as have had in years
Tyrone shitting the bed makes it sweeter too. Sliding doors moment's all day.
Tyrone didn't shit any bed. The ref did his best to get Westmeath the win.
If the Westmeath 13 metre free goes over at the death as it really should have done then Tyrone are sent packing. So it was Westmeath who bottled it. But Tyrone have shown yet again just how mediocre they are since winning that All Ireland 2 years ago. Yet a lot of people still seem to be waiting for them to produce a big performance out of nowhere. I think they are simply playing at the level of their capability.
I think most Tyrone supporters know the level they are at, and can't see many expecting an AI in the next couple of years. We've got plenty to be hopeful for in the medium to long term and football is in a healthy state in the county. Stars may have aligned in 2021 and we thankfully made hay. Many teams don't take that opportunity. I fully expect to be knocked out against the first strong team we play in knockout football. I think it's between Kerry, Dublin, Galway and Mayo. The rest of us are just trying to get as far as possible.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2023, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 18, 2023, 08:34:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 18, 2023, 06:58:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2023, 06:51:45 PM
Anyone claiming Murnin wasn't fouled is talking through their holes. He was exhausted and going nowhere and the defender decided to slap the seem around him from the back anyway.
Rather than Murnin or McQuillan (who tried his level best to get Galway an equaliser) turn your ire on Cooke who decided to play the completely unnecessary ball in the first place or the defender who let it hop over him for Murnin to run onto.
Exactly, McQuillan has been woeful for years and as soon as Armagh scored the free kick to go one up, I nearly knew that he would give Galway another chance. He should be known as The Equaliser as his entire career has been based on bringing the team that is behind back into it. It would have been disgraceful if Galway had scored that last free kick to equalise as he played over a minute and a half added time when there were no stoppages within the 3 minutes injury time. Galway should be looking at why they left Kelly on the field clearly injured for about 3-4 minutes before they replaced him, I had just presumed that they had used up all of their subs when they didn't take off a player clearly not able to walk properly.
Jaysus lads. McKay went in like an utter lunatic. Armagh defenders never learn. When there's a half chance to mel a man they go for it every time.
McQuillan should have blown the game before it but you're right Armagh are really indisciplined in their tackling. There's no other team near the top even close to them in this regard. It really is a major flaw of theirs and I don't understand why they don't focus on it.
I'd thought today was McKay's best performance in an Armagh jersey, but christ I thought he was for the line.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 18, 2023, 08:48:10 PM
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As good a Sunday as have had in years
Tyrone shitting the bed makes it sweeter too. Sliding doors moment's all day.
Tyrone didn't shit any bed. The ref did his best to get Westmeath the win.
If the Westmeath 13 metre free goes over at the death as it really should have done then Tyrone are sent packing. So it was Westmeath who bottled it. But Tyrone have shown yet again just how mediocre they are since winning that All Ireland 2 years ago. Yet a lot of people still seem to be waiting for them to produce a big performance out of nowhere. I think they are simply playing at the level of their capability.
I think most Tyrone supporters know the level they are at, and can't see many expecting an AI in the next couple of years. We've got plenty to be hopeful for in the medium to long term and football is in a healthy state in the county. Stars may have aligned in 2021 and we thankfully made hay. Many teams don't take that opportunity. I fully expect to be knocked out against the first strong team we play in knockout football. I think it's between Kerry, Dublin, Galway and Mayo. The rest of us are just trying to get as far as possible.
Ulster will have a bit say yet.
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Per Raidio na Gaeltachta McHugh #5 and Comer *14 will not line out for Galway and due to an administrative c*ck up cannot be added to the subs.
Of all the stupid mistakes Galway made today, this had to top the lot. It's going to be Galway Mayo in Salthill next weekend, isn't it! We can't get Tyrone but what's the story with Roscommon? We've played them in Connacht championship but does that matter?
I don't think so. I think the restriction applies only to the group stage. So we couldn't play Throne.
Preliminary Quarter-Finals24-25.06.2023 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
The four second-placed teams from Round 1 shall be drawn to play at home against the four third-placed teams,
subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1.Home Venues shall be subject to approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee.
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Serious inability of reading comprehension on this board lately. Must be sun, thunder, and whatever you lads are drinking!
Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2023, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: naka on June 18, 2023, 07:12:36 PM
As good a Sunday as have had in years
Tyrone shitting the bed makes it sweeter too. Sliding doors moment's all day.
Tyrone know exactly what to do at the business end of the season.
Don't let one wee blip last year in athletic grounds go to your heads, not that yous would let that happen anyway ;D ::)
Massive achievement today for Armagh, what cup was it this time?
Unbelievable scenes, armaghfans Twitter page in overdrive, car horns, McGeeney hugging fans on the pitch, utter elation everywhere .
They should be proud of themselves after a courageous ulster final performance , scraping past Westmeath and "we would have beat Tyrone with 15".
Mental
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on June 18, 2023, 08:54:44 PM
Unbelievable scenes, armaghfans Twitter page in overdrive, car horns, McGeeney hugging fans on the pitch, utter elation everywhere .
They should be proud of themselves after a courageous ulster final performance , scraping past Westmeath and "we would have beat Tyrone with 15".
Mental
All because Shane Walsh needs a staved h***!
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Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2023, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: naka on June 18, 2023, 07:12:36 PM
As good a Sunday as have had in years
Tyrone shitting the bed makes it sweeter too. Sliding doors moment's all day.
Tyrone didn't shit any bed. The ref did his best to get Westmeath the win.
If the Westmeath 13 metre free goes over at the death as it really should have done then Tyrone are sent packing. So it was Westmeath who bottled it. But Tyrone have shown yet again just how mediocre they are since winning that All Ireland 2 years ago. Yet a lot of people still seem to be waiting for them to produce a big performance out of nowhere. I think they are simply playing at the level of their capability.
I think most Tyrone supporters know the level they are at, and can't see many expecting an AI in the next couple of years. We've got plenty to be hopeful for in the medium to long term and football is in a healthy state in the county. Stars may have aligned in 2021 and we thankfully made hay. Many teams don't take that opportunity. I fully expect to be knocked out against the first strong team we play in knockout football. I think it's between Kerry, Dublin, Galway and Mayo. The rest of us are just trying to get as far as possible.
Ulster will have a bit say yet.
Derry might. I still think they are a wee bit shy from the top 2-3.
Armagh homecoming plans tomorrow. The team will meet fans at the Carrickdale Hotel at 2pm for a drinks reception. From there they will make their way to Crossmaglen GAC pitch where thousands are expected to be in attendance to greet their heroes. The bus is expected at around 4pm.
In the evening time, the main event of the festivities will be on the Mall in Armagh at 7pm where tens of thousands are expected to gather to see the team on stage with the Finished Top of Group 2 Cup.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 18, 2023, 09:09:06 PM
Armagh homecoming plans tomorrow. The team will meet fans at the Carrickdale Hotel at 2pm for a drinks reception. From there they will make their way to Crossmaglen GAC pitch where thousands are expected to be in attendance to greet their heroes. The bus is expected at around 4pm.
In the evening time, the main event of the festivities will be on the Mall in Armagh at 7pm where tens of thousands are expected to gather to see the team on stage with the Finished Top of Group 2 Cup.
Will Rian be there? Because if so, he needs protection.
We have made it extremely tough for ourselves now.
Today was further proof - as if it were needed - that we are not the same team without Damo.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 18, 2023, 09:09:06 PM
Armagh homecoming plans tomorrow. The team will meet fans at the Carrickdale Hotel at 2pm for a drinks reception. From there they will make their way to Crossmaglen GAC pitch where thousands are expected to be in attendance to greet their heroes. The bus is expected at around 4pm.
In the evening time, the main event of the festivities will be on the Mall in Armagh at 7pm where tens of thousands are expected to gather to see the team on stage with the Finished Top of Group 2 Cup.
Will they be parading the "We didn't really lose the ulster final because penalties don't count" trophy too
Quote from: galwayman on June 18, 2023, 09:12:14 PM
We have made it extremely tough for ourselves now.
Today was further proof - as if it were needed - that we are not the same team without Damo.
You can sing that, there is no focus up front without him.
I'd put any money on Galway Mayo from the draw for next week and given the injuries to key players and that sucker punch today, will be some test of this group. There's fine lines but that was as brutal a one point loss today as you'd get without being knocked out.
Another erratic performance from Tyrone. Probably says a fair bit about the standard of this group that Tyrone almost won it without playing very well in any of the three games.
The black card/penalty decision was incredible but ultimately Tyrone had the game won regardless yet ended up somehow hanging on at the death. The decision to sub off old heads for rookies looked extremely dubious, however tired they might have been.
Tyrone might still be awkward opponents yet - and McCurry obviously makes a big difference - but the team lacks identity. A wasted opportunity in a season where the Championship is pretty open. It looks very much like a managerial change is required once the summer is up.
Thought Westmeath did very well in all of their games. 1 point a poor return for them - they could have won the group.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 18, 2023, 09:09:06 PM
Armagh homecoming plans tomorrow. The team will meet fans at the Carrickdale Hotel at 2pm for a drinks reception. From there they will make their way to Crossmaglen GAC pitch where thousands are expected to be in attendance to greet their heroes. The bus is expected at around 4pm.
In the evening time, the main event of the festivities will be on the Mall in Armagh at 7pm where tens of thousands are expected to gather to see the team on stage with the Finished Top of Group 2 Cup.
You have little to be at ::)
Quote from: galwayman on June 18, 2023, 09:12:14 PM
We have made it extremely tough for ourselves now.
Today was further proof - as if it were needed - that we are not the same team without Damo.
It's better to have him injured for that match than in the business end.
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Quote from: galwayman on June 18, 2023, 09:12:14 PM
We have made it extremely tough for ourselves now.
Today was further proof - as if it were needed - that we are not the same team without Damo.
You can sing that, there is no focus up front without him.
I'd put any money on Galway Mayo from the draw for next week and given the injuries to key players and that sucker punch today, will be some test of this group. There's fine lines but that was as brutal a one point loss today as you'd get without being knocked out.
Not unlike the hurlers last week. Both teams have to get over it and win the next day. Flukey losses have to be processed quickly.
Mayo are very inconsistent.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 18, 2023, 09:09:06 PM
Armagh homecoming plans tomorrow. The team will meet fans at the Carrickdale Hotel at 2pm for a drinks reception. From there they will make their way to Crossmaglen GAC pitch where thousands are expected to be in attendance to greet their heroes. The bus is expected at around 4pm.
In the evening time, the main event of the festivities will be on the Mall in Armagh at 7pm where tens of thousands are expected to gather to see the team on stage with the Finished Top of Group 2 Cup.
There's a lot of similarities with Armagh and Glasgow Rangers.
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Quote from: galwayman on June 18, 2023, 09:12:14 PM
We have made it extremely tough for ourselves now.
Today was further proof - as if it were needed - that we are not the same team without Damo.
It's better to have him injured for that match than in the business end.
Things change so quickly, I've being saying to anyone who'll listen it's Galway for Sam this year but you could be out on yer hole next weekend if Kelly, Comer and the other lad are struggling for fitness. Unbeknownst to everyone the business end started this weekend.
Great match. Armagh played much more direct and retained possession if route was blocked. The subs were all introduced at the right time and lifted Armagh's performance.
Ciaran Mackin needs to stop telegraphing his passes, and Ethan only made one real error whoch resulted in a quick point.
I'd like to see Down or Antrim as the warm up for the Armagh match.
PS. The Galway fans at my end of the ground were full of good humour which added to the entertainment
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Quote from: galwayman on June 18, 2023, 09:12:14 PM
We have made it extremely tough for ourselves now.
Today was further proof - as if it were needed - that we are not the same team without Damo.
It's better to have him injured for that match than in the business end.
Things change so quickly, I've being saying to anyone who'll listen it's Galway for Sam this year but you could be out on yer hole next weekend if Kelly, Comer and the other lad are struggling for fitness. Unbeknownst to everyone the business end started this weekend.
8 teams have to go before the semi finals. That's when the business end starts imo
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Quote from: galwayman on June 18, 2023, 09:12:14 PM
We have made it extremely tough for ourselves now.
Today was further proof - as if it were needed - that we are not the same team without Damo.
It's better to have him injured for that match than in the business end.
Things change so quickly, I've being saying to anyone who'll listen it's Galway for Sam this year but you could be out on yer hole next weekend if Kelly, Comer and the other lad are struggling for fitness. Unbeknownst to everyone the business end started this weekend.
8 teams have to go before the semi finals. That's when the business end starts imo
And if you're not there it's none of your business, I'd be more concerned about next weekend if I were from Galway.
That was a catastrophic loss for Galway in the general scheme of things, such nonsense about "business end". Dubs and Kerry turned up walloping all before them today, no surer sign we're in the business end now.
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Quote from: galwayman on June 18, 2023, 09:12:14 PM
We have made it extremely tough for ourselves now.
Today was further proof - as if it were needed - that we are not the same team without Damo.
It's better to have him injured for that match than in the business end.
Things change so quickly, I've being saying to anyone who'll listen it's Galway for Sam this year but you could be out on yer hole next weekend if Kelly, Comer and the other lad are struggling for fitness. Unbeknownst to everyone the business end started this weekend.
8 teams have to go before the semi finals. That's when the business end starts imo
And if you're not there it's none of your business, I'd be more concerned about next weekend if I were from Galway.
If repeat pairings are not allowed then Galway will face either Monaghan or Mayo next weekend. Without those 3 lads they could be gone in the space of a week. They will only have themselves to blame, they lack a killer instinct/ruthless streak or whatever you want to call it. But it's not a lack of talent.
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Quote from: galwayman on June 18, 2023, 09:12:14 PM
We have made it extremely tough for ourselves now.
Today was further proof - as if it were needed - that we are not the same team without Damo.
It's better to have him injured for that match than in the business end.
Things change so quickly, I've being saying to anyone who'll listen it's Galway for Sam this year but you could be out on yer hole next weekend if Kelly, Comer and the other lad are struggling for fitness. Unbeknownst to everyone the business end started this weekend.
8 teams have to go before the semi finals. That's when the business end starts imo
And if you're not there it's none of your business, I'd be more concerned about next weekend if I were from Galway.
It all depends on the draw. We can't get Tyrone. That leaves Ros, Monaghan and Mayo. Galway are better than last 12. Even in 2018 they were.
None of those 3 are nailed on. And I would be very surprised if Armagh got to the final.
Just enquiring about the welfare of the galway player who got the whole head boxed off him as he was being fouled for the galway penalty
We are in the preliminary QFs on merit! That was a shambles of a performance there today. Our inability to convert good goal chances has been a serious problem all year and it reared its ugly head again today. Missed a few kickable frees also. Regardless of the draw, we will have our hands full with whoever we get for next weekend and that will be made a hell of a lot tougher if neither Kelly or Comer are available. It will be a serious test of our so called squad depth! Hard to see us make late July after today unfortunately.
Best of luck to Armagh for the remainder of the championship.
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Quote from: galwayman on June 18, 2023, 09:12:14 PM
We have made it extremely tough for ourselves now.
Today was further proof - as if it were needed - that we are not the same team without Damo.
It's better to have him injured for that match than in the business end.
Things change so quickly, I've being saying to anyone who'll listen it's Galway for Sam this year but you could be out on yer hole next weekend if Kelly, Comer and the other lad are struggling for fitness. Unbeknownst to everyone the business end started this weekend.
8 teams have to go before the semi finals. That's when the business end starts imo
And if you're not there it's none of your business, I'd be more concerned about next weekend if I were from Galway.
It all depends on the draw. We can't get Tyrone. That leaves Ros, Monaghan and Mayo. Galway are better than last 12. Even in 2018 they were.
None of those 3 are nailed on. And I would be very surprised if Armagh got to the final.
A rested Kerry,Dublin or Derry for Galway if they reach the Quarter final now and that Quarter final will be their 3rd match in 14 days.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 18, 2023, 09:59:20 PM
We are in the preliminary QFs on merit! That was a shambles of a performance there today. Our inability to convert good goal chances has been a serious problem all year and it reared its ugly head again today. Missed a few kickable frees also. Regardless of the draw, we will have our hands full with whoever we get for next weekend and that will be made a hell of a lot tougher if neither Kelly or Comer are available. It will be a serious test of our so called squad depth! Hard to see us make late July after today unfortunately.
Best of luck to Armagh for the remainder of the championship.
We're goosed given the lads out, that loss feels like a championship ender tonight, absolutely sick after it. Not playing well as is up front and facing into a rested Kerry, Derry or Dubs for the dreaded 3rd week on the bounce even if we win the preliminary Q final? Forget it.
Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2023, 04:58:31 PM
6,803 attendance 🤣🤣
How many were at the Westmeath v Tyrone match?
How many at the Derry v Clare match yesterday?
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Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2023, 04:58:31 PM
6,803 attendance 🤣🤣
How many were at the Westmeath v Tyrone match?
How many at the Derry v Clare match yesterday?
Irrelevant. None of those 4 counties asked for their game to be moved to Croke Park to accommodate their crowd.
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I doubt even Croke Park is big enough to house all the Armagh fans after that. Maybe play it in Phoenix Park.
Down might play in the warm up game before us in the 1/4 finals.....
Might head to CP, can't bate a bandwagon
Premium level I hope. Need the prawn sambos.
Bare minimum....she might be working at it so I'll get all of that!
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Quote from: RedHand88 on June 18, 2023, 09:09:06 PM
Armagh homecoming plans tomorrow. The team will meet fans at the Carrickdale Hotel at 2pm for a drinks reception. From there they will make their way to Crossmaglen GAC pitch where thousands are expected to be in attendance to greet their heroes. The bus is expected at around 4pm.
In the evening time, the main event of the festivities will be on the Mall in Armagh at 7pm where tens of thousands are expected to gather to see the team on stage with the Finished Top of Group 2 Cup.
You have little to be at ::)
The same boys who were hypothesising about losing by just enough to Westmeath in the hope that Galway would beat Armagh into not qualifying ::) the numbers of cretins in their ranks here grows.
RTE highlights don't even show the missed Westmeath free at the end. That's poor stuff.
Quote from: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 10:13:49 PM
RTE highlights don't even show the missed Westmeath free at the end. That's poor stuff.
Yeah, was wondering what Dessie Dolan was on about, when he talked of missed frees!
The Armagh free at the end was soft.
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Quote from: RedHand88 on June 18, 2023, 09:09:06 PM
Armagh homecoming plans tomorrow. The team will meet fans at the Carrickdale Hotel at 2pm for a drinks reception. From there they will make their way to Crossmaglen GAC pitch where thousands are expected to be in attendance to greet their heroes. The bus is expected at around 4pm.
In the evening time, the main event of the festivities will be on the Mall in Armagh at 7pm where tens of thousands are expected to gather to see the team on stage with the Finished Top of Group 2 Cup.
You have little to be at ::)
The same boys who were hypothesising about losing by just enough to Westmeath in the hope that Galway would beat Armagh into not qualifying ::) the numbers of cretins in their ranks here grows.
The very clear evidence that most Armagh fans on here are hero members or long serving rank tells you all you need to know.
Spend most of their time on a message board - an echo chamber for them since the early 2000s, banging at the keyboard back in the day while their neighbours won 3 in the one decade.
The recent AI from Tyrone could not have come at a worse time for them, they were on the "uprising" over the last few years, whilst strangely also having won nothing of note. Jesus, even Cavan and Monaghan have won Ulster in their wee purple patches over the last 10 years or so.
Now, in a last ditch desperate attempt; they've gone all out this summer to ram down the country's throats that they have the best fans because that's what they're clinging on to, even McGeeney is under pressure.
It's very enjoyable I must say. It's not fair that Derry managed to get their act together and challenge tyrone and Donegal, why can't poor orchard lads get a go
Conroy clipped murnin's heels. It was a definite free. The second or third last one they scored from wasn't a free mind you...
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Quote from: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 10:13:49 PM
RTE highlights don't even show the missed Westmeath free at the end. That's poor stuff.
Yeah, was wondering what Dessie Dolan was on about, when he talked of missed frees!
They ended up showing it in the analysis but then completely missed the most controversial talking point in the game. Pathetic.
Edit: they got to it eventually after showing other games.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2023, 10:22:22 PM
Conroy clipped murnin's heels. It was a definite free. The second or third last one they scored from wasn't a free mind you...
Just watched it frame by frame there. Not much evidence he tripped him. If anything it looked like he tripped himself.
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It was stone wall. No other way about it. Though few other frees were weak as well, but in the usual bias viewing of your own team. But that call was just ridiculous. You could not have got a better example of where it should be implemented. I do not understand how a ref could get it so wrong. The players were in space so viewing was easy, there was no other potential defender to muddy the water. There was no grey area. The only explanation I can think of is that the ref obviously doesn't understand the rule, which would be a bit of a concern.
On the grand scheme it doesn't matter much, but imagine if that happened in a big game.
I'm not sure it is as cut & dried as you think though my understanding of the rules might not be 100%. I was under the impression that the foul had to be one of the black card offences. If so, which one is it? I don't think it would be a black card anywhere elsewhere on the pitch.
That said, it should be written into the rules.
Quote5.41 Notwithstanding provisions of existing Playing
Rules 2.2 Exception (i), 5 and specifically 5.40, if one of the following infractions-
(a) To deliberately pull down an opponent (5.10) or
(b) To deliberately trip an opponent with hand (s),arm, leg, or foot, (5.11) or
(c) To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play (5.12) is committed on an attacking player who or, in the case of a Rule 5.12 (Football) Infraction, his team, is denied of a goal-scoring opportunity, as defined in Important Terms and Definitions 9, the following penalties shall apply:
(i) A Penalty Kick shall be awarded to the team affected.
(ii) The offender shall be issued with a BlackCard and be sent to the Sin Bin for 10 minutes.
I think the ref must have deceided that it wasn't a pull down - it was a pull back.
Why the rules committee drafted the rule this way I will never fathom - you see it all the time that defenders will do their best to pull/drag the player back but do their damdest not to make it look like they are pulling the player down in the direction of the ground.
Yeah, so my interpretation was right.
I'm with the ref that it wasn't a deliberate pull down.
I'm also with you that the rule is poorly written or just plain wrong.
Sorry for creating a mega-quote.
The incident today falls under part c surely so the result should have been black card and penalty. What is the argument against that?
Great result for Armagh today, pity most of their supporters couldn't get to see it.
Read it again.
"or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play"
OK comprehension clearly isn't one of your strong points. I think I would need to break it down word by word to get the meaning across at this stage as you don't understand the quoted rule.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 18, 2023, 10:32:35 PM
Erm...he hadn't played the ball away. That rule is for the off the ball body check.
But it says "or". I don't think you have to have played the ball away for it to be classed as goal scoring opportunity. But yes, the wording is terrible. I'd be keen to hear the GAA's view. They have to clarify. It's a clusterf**k at the minute. But for me todays was a stone wall. If the GAA somehow come out and say no due to some bs technicality, then they are hanging their own refs going forward and leaving every decision debatable.
Some sad people in this thread. Probably better worrying about their own team
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 18, 2023, 10:39:01 PM
You can deliberately collide with people who have the ball. You might foul them in doing so but that isn't a black card offence.
But is the rule not saying that it is a black card under this rule, because it was a goal scoring opportunity.
Shows how f**led up it is that we're even having to discuss this ffs. 😂
Quote from: An Watcher on June 18, 2023, 09:52:43 PM
Just enquiring about the welfare of the galway player who got the whole head boxed off him as he was being fouled for the galway penalty
He got up without a mark on him and made no complaints. How and why you ask? Because nothing happened
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 18, 2023, 10:16:42 PM
The Armagh free at the end was soft.
What does rhat even mean? It was either a free or it wasn't.
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Quote from: An Watcher on June 18, 2023, 09:52:43 PM
Just enquiring about the welfare of the galway player who got the whole head boxed off him as he was being fouled for the galway penalty
He got up without a mark on him and made no complaints. How and why you ask? Because nothing happened
That's good. 2 drives in the face and possibly and elbow so I'm relieved he's fine
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 18, 2023, 10:09:55 PM
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Quote from: screenexile on June 18, 2023, 04:58:31 PM
6,803 attendance 🤣🤣
How many were at the Westmeath v Tyrone match?
How many at the Derry v Clare match yesterday?
You can't deny that Armagh had great support today at C-o-S
Irrelevant. None of those 4 counties asked for their game to be moved to Croke Park to accommodate their crowd.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2023, 10:22:22 PM
Conroy clipped murnin's heels. It was a definite free. The second or third last one they scored from wasn't a free mind you...
Just watched it frame by frame there. Not much evidence he tripped him. If anything it looked like he tripped himself.
Watched frame by frame, and the ref gets one shot at million miles an hour!
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 18, 2023, 09:09:06 PM
Armagh homecoming plans tomorrow. The team will meet fans at the Carrickdale Hotel at 2pm for a drinks reception. From there they will make their way to Crossmaglen GAC pitch where thousands are expected to be in attendance to greet their heroes. The bus is expected at around 4pm.
In the evening time, the main event of the festivities will be on the Mall in Armagh at 7pm where tens of thousands are expected to gather to see the team on stage with the Finished Top of Group 2 Cup.
You will hardly ve there!
Hopefully trying to map out the shortest route from Castlederg to Cork.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 18, 2023, 10:51:49 PM
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Just enquiring about the welfare of the galway player who got the whole head boxed off him as he was being fouled for the galway penalty
He got up without a mark on him and made no complaints. How and why you ask? Because nothing happened
That's good. 2 drives in the face and possibly and elbow so I'm relieved he's fine
And not even a mark on him. Or a complaint from him. Or nothing from the ref or umpires.
Just saw the black card/pen incident 2nite on TSG for the 1st time, with the amount of people screaming blue murder on here I thought it would be a hatchet job but it wasn't that bad, the fact that Kilpatrick looked like he was trying to grab an arm probably went against Tyrone as well.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2023, 11:25:35 PM
Just saw the black card/pen incident 2nite on TSG for the 1st time, with the amount of people screaming blue murder on here I thought it would be a hatchet job but it wasn't that bad, the fact that Kilpatrick looked like he was trying to grab an arm probably went against Tyrone as well.
Ah ffs he was clean through and was taken out. It wasn't Cavanagh-esque but it was pretty damn clear cut.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 18, 2023, 11:39:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2023, 11:35:53 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2023, 11:25:35 PM
Just saw the black card/pen incident 2nite on TSG for the 1st time, with the amount of people screaming blue murder on here I thought it would be a hatchet job but it wasn't that bad, the fact that Kilpatrick looked like he was trying to grab an arm probably went against Tyrone as well.
Ah ffs he was clean through and was taken out. It wasn't Cavanagh-esque but it was pretty damn clear cut.
It was clear cut. A high tackle and yellow card.
Haven't seen this incident but there was a black card for Carlow today late on that was a high tackle, granted the Antrim player went down, but high tackle yellow card, deliberate pull down Black card
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2023, 11:35:53 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2023, 11:25:35 PM
Just saw the black card/pen incident 2nite on TSG for the 1st time, with the amount of people screaming blue murder on here I thought it would be a hatchet job but it wasn't that bad, the fact that Kilpatrick looked like he was trying to grab an arm probably went against Tyrone as well.
Ah ffs he was clean through and was taken out. It wasn't Cavanagh-esque but it was pretty damn clear cut.
The referee got it spot on, yellow card and free kick.
Just read over a few pages there after watching the Sunday game. Think these Tyrone boys live in a different world. The referee got the penalty / card in their game 100 % by the rules. Maybe some should learn the rules instead of complaining about the referee.
As for the Armagh game. It was great craic with the Galway fans today. Everyone agreed it was a good game played in a good spirit. McKay was reckless at the end and lucky it didn't cost a draw. The free given to Murnin may have been on the soft side but there were plenty of soft frees to both teams during the game. I still find it amusing how Tyrone ones in particular complain that Armagh deliberately use rough house tactics. Maybe it is because I didn't hear any Galway ones complaining during the game.
As for the celebrations. It is always great to enjoy the big games. Maybe if Tyrone did the same so many fellas - players and supporters- wouldn't have deserted the team.
Just watched the highlights there. Clear penalty to Galway and I think Grugan lucky it was only a yellow. Very soft free for the Armagh winner but the tackler did inextricably put his hand on Murnins back so he gave McQuillian a decision to make. The ball was in play for 4:30 of the 3:00 of injury time so Galway should never have been allowed the last attack.
It was a free in at the end and McKay (was it?) lucky not to make proper contact or he to would have given the ref a decision to make on the colour of the card.
Having given my opinion on the major decisions I'd say the following on the game itself.
An excellent game played at Championship pace. I still think Galway could win Sam depending on injuries. I don't think Armagh are consistent enough but when on song they could give anyone else their fill of it.
Armagh clearly set up tactically with a plan to stop Colmer by deploying a dedicated sweeper in front of the full forward. Unfortunately it left them light elsewhere. That coupled with Grugan lacking the necessary pace to fulfill his defence duties created overloads and mismatches for Galway and they were full value for their half time lead.
Full credit to the management team who I have been critical of they changed things around at half time to address these issues. Those changes combined with an inspired improvement from midfield particularly from Ben Creally saw a marked improvement second half. As a result Armagh were able to play good direct football and as a result did play arguably their best football of the year.
Unfortunately that's likely the last Armagh match I'll be at due to holiday plans but it was an enjoyable one to go out on.
On the way home I listened to Sunday Sport in the hope of getting some interviews. Have to say the ignorance of the commentators were shocking. It was nearly 10 minutes after the final whistle before they realised Armagh had topped the group.
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Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2023, 11:25:35 PM
Just saw the black card/pen incident 2nite on TSG for the 1st time, with the amount of people screaming blue murder on here I thought it would be a hatchet job but it wasn't that bad, the fact that Kilpatrick looked like he was trying to grab an arm probably went against Tyrone as well.
Ah ffs he was clean through and was taken out. It wasn't Cavanagh-esque but it was pretty damn clear cut.
Clear as day in my view. There was no grabbing of the arm or anything like that. Why would he when clean through on goal. He hooks his shoulder and drags him back. In the grand scheme, it won't matter in this case. But it shows just how big a mess the rule really is that we are debating it. The rule was to stop those sort of challenges. Make it easy for the ref.
Quote from: Throw ball on June 19, 2023, 12:09:05 AM
Just read over a few pages there after watching the Sunday game. Think these Tyrone boys live in a different world. The referee got the penalty / card in their game 100 % by the rules. Maybe some should learn the rules instead of complaining about the referee.
As for the Armagh game. It was great craic with the Galway fans today. Everyone agreed it was a good game played in a good spirit. McKay was reckless at the end and lucky it didn't cost a draw. The free given to Murnin may have been on the soft side but there were plenty of soft frees to both teams during the game. I still find it amusing how Tyrone ones in particular complain that Armagh deliberately use rough house tactics. Maybe it is because I didn't hear any Galway ones complaining during the game.
As for the celebrations. It is always great to enjoy the big games. Maybe if Tyrone did the same so many fellas - players and supporters- wouldn't have deserted the team.
https://twitter.com/thesundaygame/status/1665103914012745729
So Paul Flynn saying Dublin should have been given a penalty in that game which looked to be a similar tackle to the one on Kilpatrick yesterday?
Quote from: clarshack on June 19, 2023, 08:42:20 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 19, 2023, 12:09:05 AM
Just read over a few pages there after watching the Sunday game. Think these Tyrone boys live in a different world. The referee got the penalty / card in their game 100 % by the rules. Maybe some should learn the rules instead of complaining about the referee.
As for the Armagh game. It was great craic with the Galway fans today. Everyone agreed it was a good game played in a good spirit. McKay was reckless at the end and lucky it didn't cost a draw. The free given to Murnin may have been on the soft side but there were plenty of soft frees to both teams during the game. I still find it amusing how Tyrone ones in particular complain that Armagh deliberately use rough house tactics. Maybe it is because I didn't hear any Galway ones complaining during the game.
As for the celebrations. It is always great to enjoy the big games. Maybe if Tyrone did the same so many fellas - players and supporters- wouldn't have deserted the team.
https://twitter.com/thesundaygame/status/1665103914012745729
So Paul Flynn saying Dublin should have been given a penalty in that game which looked to be a similar tackle to the one on Kilpatrick yesterday?
Was the one in Tyrone a pull down? Suppose ot comes down to the refs interpretation
Wouldn't have liked either of those draws, shows the importance of winning the group
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Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2023, 11:35:53 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2023, 11:25:35 PM
Just saw the black card/pen incident 2nite on TSG for the 1st time, with the amount of people screaming blue murder on here I thought it would be a hatchet job but it wasn't that bad, the fact that Kilpatrick looked like he was trying to grab an arm probably went against Tyrone as well.
Ah ffs he was clean through and was taken out. It wasn't Cavanagh-esque but it was pretty damn clear cut.
Clear as day in my view. There was no grabbing of the arm or anything like that. Why would he when clean through on goal.
I'd a game yesterday, lad clean through and the defender was trying to do a Cavanagh classic, the lad attempted to bring him down, but the attempt missed, ones were asking for a black I said he didn't bring him down, though he did attempt, some of the rules can be unclear and do really need to be easier for everyone to understand.
That being said I was asked to explain a few rules last night during the game, which at senior level you'd hope they would know already
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 19, 2023, 08:53:44 AM
Quote from: clarshack on June 19, 2023, 08:42:20 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 19, 2023, 12:09:05 AM
Just read over a few pages there after watching the Sunday game. Think these Tyrone boys live in a different world. The referee got the penalty / card in their game 100 % by the rules. Maybe some should learn the rules instead of complaining about the referee.
As for the Armagh game. It was great craic with the Galway fans today. Everyone agreed it was a good game played in a good spirit. McKay was reckless at the end and lucky it didn't cost a draw. The free given to Murnin may have been on the soft side but there were plenty of soft frees to both teams during the game. I still find it amusing how Tyrone ones in particular complain that Armagh deliberately use rough house tactics. Maybe it is because I didn't hear any Galway ones complaining during the game.
As for the celebrations. It is always great to enjoy the big games. Maybe if Tyrone did the same so many fellas - players and supporters- wouldn't have deserted the team.
https://twitter.com/thesundaygame/status/1665103914012745729
So Paul Flynn saying Dublin should have been given a penalty in that game which looked to be a similar tackle to the one on Kilpatrick yesterday?
Was the one in Tyrone a pull down? Suppose ot comes down to the refs interpretation
Anyone who watches a lot of football will know that both the Dublin one and the Tyrone one are pretty much 99.999% of the time going to be interpreted by refs as pull-backs and not pull-downs.
Far too many people still think - it's a cynical foul => automatic black card.
Unfortunately the rules committee when drafting the black card offences makes a hames of the wording and included the word down after pull so refs have basically been instructed to only give a black card if the player is pulled down to the ground. This means players are still free to blatantly pull back players outside the penalty area safe in the knowledge that the ref can only give them a yellow.
Galway will rue those Walsh misses yesterday now. A Connacht team will struggle to win it now after that draw. If they do then they'll have to do it the hard way.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 19, 2023, 08:59:39 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 19, 2023, 08:53:44 AM
Quote from: clarshack on June 19, 2023, 08:42:20 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 19, 2023, 12:09:05 AM
Just read over a few pages there after watching the Sunday game. Think these Tyrone boys live in a different world. The referee got the penalty / card in their game 100 % by the rules. Maybe some should learn the rules instead of complaining about the referee.
As for the Armagh game. It was great craic with the Galway fans today. Everyone agreed it was a good game played in a good spirit. McKay was reckless at the end and lucky it didn't cost a draw. The free given to Murnin may have been on the soft side but there were plenty of soft frees to both teams during the game. I still find it amusing how Tyrone ones in particular complain that Armagh deliberately use rough house tactics. Maybe it is because I didn't hear any Galway ones complaining during the game.
As for the celebrations. It is always great to enjoy the big games. Maybe if Tyrone did the same so many fellas - players and supporters- wouldn't have deserted the team.
I am not sure that is a mistake. Leaving it as simply a pull would result in far too many black cards out the field. I do agree the rule should be reconsidered mind you but it would be a tricky enough one to get worded correctly
https://twitter.com/thesundaygame/status/1665103914012745729
So Paul Flynn saying Dublin should have been given a penalty in that game which looked to be a similar tackle to the one on Kilpatrick yesterday?
Was the one in Tyrone a pull down? Suppose ot comes down to the refs interpretation
Anyone who watches a lot of football will know that both the Dublin one and the Tyrone one are pretty much 99.999% of the time going to be interpreted by refs as pull-backs and not pull-downs.
Far too many people still think - it's a cynical foul => automatic black card.
Unfortunately the rules committee when drafting the black card offences makes a hames of the wording and included the word down after pull so refs have basically been instructed to only give a black card if the player is pulled down to the ground. This means players are still free to blatantly pull back players outside the penalty area safe in the knowledge that the ref can only give them a yellow.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 19, 2023, 03:24:54 AM
Just watched the highlights there. Clear penalty to Galway and I think Grugan lucky it was only a yellow. Very soft free for the Armagh winner but the tackler did inextricably put his hand on Murnins back so he gave McQuillian a decision to make. The ball was in play for 4:30 of the 3:00 of injury time so Galway should never have been allowed the last attack.
It was a free in at the end and McKay (was it?) lucky not to make proper contact or he to would have given the ref a decision to make on the colour of the card.
Having given my opinion on the major decisions I'd say the following on the game itself.
An excellent game played at Championship pace. I still think Galway could win Sam depending on injuries. I don't think Armagh are consistent enough but when on song they could give anyone else their fill of it.
Armagh clearly set up tactically with a plan to stop Colmer by deploying a dedicated sweeper in front of the full forward. Unfortunately it left them light elsewhere. That coupled with Grugan lacking the necessary pace to fulfill his defence duties created overloads and mismatches for Galway and they were full value for their half time lead.
Full credit to the management team who I have been critical of they changed things around at half time to address these issues. Those changes combined with an inspired improvement from midfield particularly from Ben Creally saw a marked improvement second half. As a result Armagh were able to play good direct football and as a result did play arguably their best football of the year.
Unfortunately that's likely the last Armagh match I'll be at due to holiday plans but it was an enjoyable one to go out on.
On the way home I listened to Sunday Sport in the hope of getting some interviews. Have to say the ignorance of the commentators were shocking. It was nearly 10 minutes after the final whistle before they realised Armagh had topped the group.
Comer wasn't playing. Sweeney replaced him.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 19, 2023, 08:56:24 AM
Wouldn't have liked either of those draws, shows the importance of winning the group
Yesterday was so random. Mayo were 6 points up and lost. Kerry could have been second.
Feely could have missed. Kildare could have been 3rd. Armagh won by 1. Walsh could have equalised.
Quote from: Throw ball on June 19, 2023, 12:09:05 AM
Just read over a few pages there after watching the Sunday game. Think these Tyrone boys live in a different world. The referee got the penalty / card in their game 100 % by the rules. Maybe some should learn the rules instead of complaining about the referee.
As for the Armagh game. It was great craic with the Galway fans today. Everyone agreed it was a good game played in a good spirit. McKay was reckless at the end and lucky it didn't cost a draw. The free given to Murnin may have been on the soft side but there were plenty of soft frees to both teams during the game. I still find it amusing how Tyrone ones in particular complain that Armagh deliberately use rough house tactics. Maybe it is because I didn't hear any Galway ones complaining during the game.
As for the celebrations. It is always great to enjoy the big games. Maybe if Tyrone did the same so many fellas - players and supporters- wouldn't have deserted the team.
Sure Armagh lost about 30k in one week ffs.
https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
Like not even close to the ball, that's pure filth, cheek to say it wasn't even a penalty ;D
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
It's number 4 - Forker. They never learn. Not a likeable team under McGeeney.
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
Not the Armagh benny tierney then lol.
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
Didn't see that at the match, what a tr**p.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 09:28:01 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
Like not even close to the ball, that's pure filth, cheek to say it wasn't even a penalty ;D
I don't think anybody claimed that it wasn't a penalty but the foul was by Grugan. The ball was there to be played, he just mistimed the tackle but it could hardly be deemed a punch as some have suggested and there were no complaints from Kelly or Galway about it. Its mostly just fans of other counties (mostly Tyrone) that seem to have been triggered by that Armagh win yesterday.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 09:28:01 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
Like not even close to the ball, that's pure filth, cheek to say it wasn't even a penalty ;D
I don't think anybody claimed that it wasn't a penalty but the foul was by Grugan. The ball was there to be played, he just mistimed the tackle but it could hardly be deemed a punch as some have suggested and there were no complaints from Kelly or Galway about it. Its mostly just fans of other counties (mostly Tyrone) that seem to have been triggered by that Armagh win yesterday.
There were 3 posters on here that said it wasn't a penalty if you care to look back, hopefully on reflection the Armagh will get a ban
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Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
Like not even close to the ball, that's pure filth, cheek to say it wasn't even a penalty ;D
I don't think anybody claimed that it wasn't a penalty but the foul was by Grugan. The ball was there to be played, he just mistimed the tackle but it could hardly be deemed a punch as some have suggested and there were no complaints from Kelly or Galway about it. Its mostly just fans of other counties (mostly Tyrone) that seem to have been triggered by that Armagh win yesterday.
There were 3 posters on here that said it wasn't a penalty if you care to look back, hopefully on reflection the Armagh will get a ban
It was a clear cut penalty in my view but the foul was committed by Grugan who got yellow carded for it. The incident posted with Forker looks worse slowed way down and he didn't play the ball but there was minimal force to it. If Kelly had thought he was deliberately punched as some have suggested then he wouldn't have just got up with no reaction.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 19, 2023, 09:34:18 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 09:28:01 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
Like not even close to the ball, that's pure filth, cheek to say it wasn't even a penalty ;D
I don't think anybody claimed that it wasn't a penalty but the foul was by Grugan. The ball was there to be played, he just mistimed the tackle but it could hardly be deemed a punch as some have suggested and there were no complaints from Kelly or Galway about it. Its mostly just fans of other counties (mostly Tyrone) that seem to have been triggered by that Armagh win yesterday.
Are you for real? He went for it twice.
Good to see someone finally picked me up on this as mentioned ot about 3 times yday.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 19, 2023, 09:43:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 09:38:21 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 19, 2023, 09:34:18 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 09:28:01 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
Like not even close to the ball, that's pure filth, cheek to say it wasn't even a penalty ;D
I don't think anybody claimed that it wasn't a penalty but the foul was by Grugan. The ball was there to be played, he just mistimed the tackle but it could hardly be deemed a punch as some have suggested and there were no complaints from Kelly or Galway about it. Its mostly just fans of other counties (mostly Tyrone) that seem to have been triggered by that Armagh win yesterday.
There were 3 posters on here that said it wasn't a penalty if you care to look back, hopefully on reflection the Armagh will get a ban
It was a clear cut penalty in my view but the foul was committed by Grugan who got yellow carded for it. The incident posted with Forker looks worse slowed way down and he didn't play the ball but there was minimal force to it. If Kelly had thought he was deliberately punched as some have suggested then he wouldn't have just got up with no reaction.
Wasn't for the lack of trying ;D
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 19, 2023, 09:28:15 AM
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https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
It's number 4 - Forker. They never learn. Not a likeable team under McGeeney.
I wonder how many reds and yellows Forker has gotten over the years.
He is that type of player.
He picked up a yellow yesterday as well.
He's unlucky here the way Sean Kelly's face deliberately batters his fist.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 19, 2023, 09:28:15 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
It's number 4 - Forker. They never learn. Not a likeable team under McGeeney.
It'll probably be treated the same way as McGuigan's bite on O'Neill.........
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 18, 2023, 09:47:26 PM
That was a catastrophic loss for Galway in the general scheme of things, such nonsense about "business end". Dubs and Kerry turned up walloping all before them today, no surer sign we're in the business end now.
Too much nonsense talk about Galway and the panel, started that game yesterday with only 9 starters from last years final and next week will be similar. The draw hasn't helped my optimism levels either, didn't look great for Sean Kelly either.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 19, 2023, 10:00:35 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 19, 2023, 09:28:15 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
It's number 4 - Forker. They never learn. Not a likeable team under McGeeney.
I wonder how many reds and yellows Forker has gotten over the years.
He is that type of player.
He picked up a yellow yesterday as well.
He's unlucky here the way Sean Kelly's face deliberately batters his fist.
He must be a dirty Forker
Quote from: mackers on June 19, 2023, 10:10:53 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 19, 2023, 09:28:15 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
https://twitter.com/bennytierney/status/1670568213141176321
Not great viewing... I can't make out which player threw the box??
It's number 4 - Forker. They never learn. Not a likeable team under McGeeney.
It'll probably be treated the same way as McGuigan's bite on O'Neill.........
Ah yes, there was conclusive evidence there. Swinging arms, closed fist tackles. Not going anywhere fast lads.
A few thoughts on the Armagh v Galway game.
Galway definitely need Comer in there. Walsh hasn't been the same player this year.
Armagh are a better rounded team without O'Neill!
Having just watched that video clip of the double punch, who ever that was will find themselves lucky if they don't get a retrospective red car and rightly so.
Dirty action.
It's really hard to like this Armagh side, too many boys running about like cubs looking a row outside a nightclub.
I still think if they focused more on the football they'd be a much better side as there are some excellent footballers there.
Great second half from Armagh. We clearly decided to push up on the Galway kickouts, forcing it long where Crealey caught a few. Big lad with a height advantage over the Galway midfielders. We won the game because we pushed up and brought more intensity. If we had sat off and invited Galway onto us, then a different result possibly. Yesterday lends more weight to the argument that it's not more rule changes we need but a change of approach.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 10:31:31 AM
A few thoughts on the Armagh v Galway game.
Galway definitely need Comer in there. Walsh hasn't been the same player this year.
Armagh are a better rounded team without O'Neill!
Having just watched that video clip of the double punch, who ever that was will find themselves lucky if they don't get a retrospective red car and rightly so.
Dirty action.
It's really hard to like this Armagh side, too many boys running about like cubs looking a row outside a nightclub.
I still think if they focused more on the football they'd be a much better side as there are some excellent footballers there.
Most of us in Armagh couldn't care less if we are liked or not by the other counties .
After watching highlights, I thought Kilpatrick went down easy. Should have bulled on in for a goal. Tyrone boys doing a lot of slipping and fumbling the greasy ball. Are we not set up for wet weather? Definitely very disjointed. In that first half there were at times a hape of Tyrone boys standing on each other's toes in midfield, trying to send low balls into small forwards in wet conditions. Morgan's Kickouts extremely risky at the wrong times of games. Needs to work on this. Yesterday's game reeked of not paying Westmeath enough respect and nearly getting caught. It seems that we need to play Kerry, Mayo, Dublin, probably Armagh to get motivated and focused as a team and that might not happen. Hopefully it will be like the scare we got against Meath a few years back and kicks up holes are dealt out.
Quote from: naka on June 19, 2023, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 10:31:31 AM
A few thoughts on the Armagh v Galway game.
Galway definitely need Comer in there. Walsh hasn't been the same player this year.
Armagh are a better rounded team without O'Neill!
Having just watched that video clip of the double punch, who ever that was will find themselves lucky if they don't get a retrospective red car and rightly so.
Dirty action.
It's really hard to like this Armagh side, too many boys running about like cubs looking a row outside a nightclub.
I still think if they focused more on the football they'd be a much better side as there are some excellent footballers there.
Most of us in Armagh couldn't care less if we are liked or not by the other counties .
It seems to be mostly Derry and Tyrone posters coming to the conclusion that they don't like us.......hardly surprising.
Quote from: naka on June 19, 2023, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 10:31:31 AM
A few thoughts on the Armagh v Galway game.
Galway definitely need Comer in there. Walsh hasn't been the same player this year.
Armagh are a better rounded team without O'Neill!
Having just watched that video clip of the double punch, who ever that was will find themselves lucky if they don't get a retrospective red car and rightly so.
Dirty action.
It's really hard to like this Armagh side, too many boys running about like cubs looking a row outside a nightclub.
I still think if they focused more on the football they'd be a much better side as there are some excellent footballers there.
Most of us in Armagh couldn't care less if we are liked or not by the other counties .
Yep. There's a few on here who'll happily find a reason! It's the players, it's the supporters, it's the manager, it's the coaches, it's the ex players, it's the administrators, it's the fact that we grow apples.
Quote from: naka on June 19, 2023, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 10:31:31 AM
A few thoughts on the Armagh v Galway game.
Galway definitely need Comer in there. Walsh hasn't been the same player this year.
Armagh are a better rounded team without O'Neill!
Having just watched that video clip of the double punch, who ever that was will find themselves lucky if they don't get a retrospective red car and rightly so.
Dirty action.
It's really hard to like this Armagh side, too many boys running about like cubs looking a row outside a nightclub.
I still think if they focused more on the football they'd be a much better side as there are some excellent footballers there.
Most of us in Armagh couldn't care less if we are liked or not by the other counties .
I don't care if you don't care :P
Quote from: mackers on June 19, 2023, 10:40:23 AM
Quote from: naka on June 19, 2023, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 10:31:31 AM
A few thoughts on the Armagh v Galway game.
Galway definitely need Comer in there. Walsh hasn't been the same player this year.
Armagh are a better rounded team without O'Neill!
Having just watched that video clip of the double punch, who ever that was will find themselves lucky if they don't get a retrospective red car and rightly so.
Dirty action.
It's really hard to like this Armagh side, too many boys running about like cubs looking a row outside a nightclub.
I still think if they focused more on the football they'd be a much better side as there are some excellent footballers there.
Most of us in Armagh couldn't care less if we are liked or not by the other counties .
It seems to be mostly Derry and Tyrone posters coming to the conclusion that they don't like us.......hardly surprising.
Are there many Derry ones who don't like Armagh? Personally I don't mind them. We have a lot in common namely our severe hatred of Tyrone!
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 10:46:28 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 19, 2023, 10:40:23 AM
Quote from: naka on June 19, 2023, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 10:31:31 AM
A few thoughts on the Armagh v Galway game.
Galway definitely need Comer in there. Walsh hasn't been the same player this year.
Armagh are a better rounded team without O'Neill!
Having just watched that video clip of the double punch, who ever that was will find themselves lucky if they don't get a retrospective red car and rightly so.
Dirty action.
It's really hard to like this Armagh side, too many boys running about like cubs looking a row outside a nightclub.
I still think if they focused more on the football they'd be a much better side as there are some excellent footballers there.
Most of us in Armagh couldn't care less if we are liked or not by the other counties .
It seems to be mostly Derry and Tyrone posters coming to the conclusion that they don't like us.......hardly surprising.
Are there many Derry ones who don't like Armagh? Personally I don't mind them. We have a lot in common namely our severe hatred of Tyrone!
Dry your eyes. You also have in common that neither of use have won and AI in 20 years.
When I said last night I thought Grugan was lucky to receive a yellow it was on the basis I thought he was the one involved with Kelly. I think it will now be a nervous wait for Forker. Totally unnecessary
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 10:46:28 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 19, 2023, 10:40:23 AM
Quote from: naka on June 19, 2023, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 10:31:31 AM
A few thoughts on the Armagh v Galway game.
Galway definitely need Comer in there. Walsh hasn't been the same player this year.
Armagh are a better rounded team without O'Neill!
Having just watched that video clip of the double punch, who ever that was will find themselves lucky if they don't get a retrospective red car and rightly so.
Dirty action.
It's really hard to like this Armagh side, too many boys running about like cubs looking a row outside a nightclub.
I still think if they focused more on the football they'd be a much better side as there are some excellent footballers there.
Most of us in Armagh couldn't care less if we are liked or not by the other counties .
It seems to be mostly Derry and Tyrone posters coming to the conclusion that they don't like us.......hardly surprising.
Are there many Derry ones who don't like Armagh? Personally I don't mind them. We have a lot in common namely our severe hatred of Tyrone!
I wasn't aware of any ill feeling between the counties but we've a few Derry ones on here spending a lot of their time giving us stick.......suppose it's better than being ignored. Hope they're giving out about us for another few weeks yet.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2023, 10:12:48 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 18, 2023, 09:47:26 PM
That was a catastrophic loss for Galway in the general scheme of things, such nonsense about "business end". Dubs and Kerry turned up walloping all before them today, no surer sign we're in the business end now.
Too much nonsense talk about Galway and the panel, started that game yesterday with only 9 starters from last years final and next week will be similar. The draw hasn't helped my optimism levels either, didn't look great for Sean Kelly either.
Patrick Kelly wasn't too far away from me on the terrace yesterday, likes of himself, Comer, McHugh, Molloy and Silke are really missed.
I felt last night like the season is as good as done given the position we've ended up in and the road that's ahead of them, Galway badly needed the week off to try and get key players recovery time, instead of that, the players are left having to play a Mayo team that has had Galway's number in knockout games going back a long time. If Galway can get to a semi-final (and that's the bar for these players now) from here, given the injuries and the schedule, it will be a greater accomplishment than making the final last year.
Sean Kelly is the heartbeat of that Galway team, can't fault him for the poor result yesterday, and is an incalculable loss if unavailable. Mannion looked a bit lost out there, the pick up off the ground that led to a 1st half Armagh point summed up his day. A better move in retrospect might have been McDaid to replace McHugh at HB and Maher to MF.
Without Comer as the focal point up front we look blunt, Burke hasn't been at it, amazed he stayed on for the duration yesterday, he's there to link play and the biggest opportunity of all he couldn't execute a standard enough return hand pass to Walsh for an attacking chance with Rafferty miles outside the goal. Burke had good performance against Rossies but outside of that, is playing more like he was in 2019 which isn't good. Heaney isn't having as much of an impact as usual, the dip in his performances is noteworthy as while he's unheralded outside the county he has been one of Galway's top men. Cooke made a mistake with the way the ball bounced on the kick pass back at the end but outside of that he has been one of Galway's best performers in the group stage. Tierney kicked a couple but isn't imposing himself on matches like you'd have wanted to see after the Connacht championship and league. Finnerty has been injured all the time.
We're just not scoring enough up front and Walsh is only playing middling at best, his decision making on the ball and free taking (which was immaculate in 2022 and one of the big reasons we made the final) have regressed to an unbelievable extent. Notable that he isn't taking kicks off the ground at the moment at all, I'd wonder if there's something up that we don't know about, if that's the case let Cooke and Tierney take them off the deck where needed. Conroy and Walsh had both ballooned the ball up with two similar attempts from the same position already in the second half. When presented with a crucial free at the death yesterday from a similar position, it might have been advisable to go off the ground to better deal with the tricky cross field wind which had proved problematic. Instead we got a carbon copy of the two earlier efforts, which was short and didn't curl in, summed up the day.
Kickout issues have been done to death but it's the speed of the restarts that are an issue as well as the inability of Galway to manufacture space for players, if we had a good system we wouldn't have lost yesterday as too many in the 2nd half became long ball 50/50s which we came out the wrong side of. Several times, and it was really obvious from being at the match, Galway players had made the initial run into a pocket of space and the ball needed to be kicked immediately to them, instead there is hesitation and the moment for that quick 30/40 metre clip to the player is gone. At one point Heaney made a run and the ball wasn't played for an easy, unmarked catch, in fact there was enough time for him to have to run back out and then back again at pace to nearly the 21 when the ball was clipped out and he got it. The difference is that instead of getting the ball 40 metres out with some Armagh players already bypassed, Galway now had the entire Armagh team to get through. These are the small margins that make up a loss.
Maybe I'm being overly critical of a one point loss but in the context of the year that was seismic, Tyrone couldn't do us the favour of a narrow win in the other game (how good have Westmeath been though? Hats off to them, unlucky not to have progressed from the group) so that result has derailed the season altogether.
Can Galway win next week? They can but given the injuries and the form upfront it will be a massive ask, I thought Armagh were decent yesterday but really and truly, Galway had more than enough of the ball to win that match, serious contenders wouldn't have come out the wrong side of it. Taking that and the Westmeath and Tyrone performances into account there doesn't look to be an AI in them despite the talk from some quarters, the two big boys started to stretch the legs yesterday although Kerry have been blessed with Mayo's collapse against Cork, mad how life's winners always seem get whatever luck is going even when they aren't involved.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: naka on June 19, 2023, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 10:31:31 AM
A few thoughts on the Armagh v Galway game.
Galway definitely need Comer in there. Walsh hasn't been the same player this year.
Armagh are a better rounded team without O'Neill!
Having just watched that video clip of the double punch, who ever that was will find themselves lucky if they don't get a retrospective red car and rightly so.
Dirty action.
It's really hard to like this Armagh side, too many boys running about like cubs looking a row outside a nightclub.
I still think if they focused more on the football they'd be a much better side as there are some excellent footballers there.
Most of us in Armagh couldn't care less if we are liked or not by the other counties .
I don't care if you don't care :P
I don't care if you don't care that.....
I enjoy the banter. It'll be a sad day when we can't have that
From the replay yesterday it looked like forker threw a few digs on the ground after the penalty was awarded, did anyone else notice that?
Quote from: 03,05,08 on June 19, 2023, 11:23:33 AM
From the replay yesterday it looked like forker threw a few digs on the ground after the penalty was awarded, did anyone else notice that?
Was that this one?
https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20)
Do we think this behaviour is coached in Armagh? Beginning to think it's the only explanation.
The truth is usually well known within each county from Club football. Every county has them, some tolerated more than others. A thug on the club team will probably be a thug on the county team especially in desperate times of trying to win something. It's the player that tackles to deliberately inflict injury who needs to be challenged. Bullying on the field of sport needs to become as unacceptable as bulllying in schools or workplace. Same with thuggery.
Quote from: mackers on June 19, 2023, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 19, 2023, 10:46:28 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 19, 2023, 10:40:23 AM
Quote from: naka on June 19, 2023, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 10:31:31 AM
A few thoughts on the Armagh v Galway game.
Galway definitely need Comer in there. Walsh hasn't been the same player this year.
Armagh are a better rounded team without O'Neill!
Having just watched that video clip of the double punch, who ever that was will find themselves lucky if they don't get a retrospective red car and rightly so.
Dirty action.
It's really hard to like this Armagh side, too many boys running about like cubs looking a row outside a nightclub.
I still think if they focused more on the football they'd be a much better side as there are some excellent footballers there.
Most of us in Armagh couldn't care less if we are liked or not by the other counties .
It seems to be mostly Derry and Tyrone posters coming to the conclusion that they don't like us.......hardly surprising.
Are there many Derry ones who don't like Armagh? Personally I don't mind them. We have a lot in common namely our severe hatred of Tyrone!
I wasn't aware of any ill feeling between the counties but we've a few Derry ones on here spending a lot of their time giving us stick.......suppose it's better than being ignored. Hope they're giving out about us for another few weeks yet.
I dont think there is any ill feeling between the counties.
I personally have plenty of friends from across Armagh and the craic is always good when it comes to football.
I'm talking about the approach of this team to physicality. A lot of the players come across as acting the hard man, ala O'Neill, where if they focused on football the team in general would be a lot better. It's that Hard Man persona that annoys me.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 19, 2023, 11:17:15 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: naka on June 19, 2023, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 10:31:31 AM
A few thoughts on the Armagh v Galway game.
Galway definitely need Comer in there. Walsh hasn't been the same player this year.
Armagh are a better rounded team without O'Neill!
Having just watched that video clip of the double punch, who ever that was will find themselves lucky if they don't get a retrospective red car and rightly so.
Dirty action.
It's really hard to like this Armagh side, too many boys running about like cubs looking a row outside a nightclub.
I still think if they focused more on the football they'd be a much better side as there are some excellent footballers there.
Most of us in Armagh couldn't care less if we are liked or not by the other counties .
I don't care if you don't care :P
I don't care if you don't care that.....
I enjoy the banter. It'll be a sad day when we can't have that
Sure if you can't have a bit of craic about sport, what's the point!
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 19, 2023, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: 03,05,08 on June 19, 2023, 11:23:33 AM
From the replay yesterday it looked like forker threw a few digs on the ground after the penalty was awarded, did anyone else notice that?
Was that this one?
https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20)
Do we think this behaviour is coached in Armagh? Beginning to think it's the only explanation.
Totally unbiased, no horse in this race but it doesn't look conclusive to me.
I suspect if Forker had punched as some want to see it , kelly would have been carrying a mark and certainly would not have got up as quickly.
Teams are a reflection of the manager. McGeeney and McKeever played with an edge, and Donaghy was no shrinking violet, so obviously it is at least being encouraged
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 19, 2023, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 19, 2023, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: 03,05,08 on June 19, 2023, 11:23:33 AM
From the replay yesterday it looked like forker threw a few digs on the ground after the penalty was awarded, did anyone else notice that?
Was that this one?
https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20)
Do we think this behaviour is coached in Armagh? Beginning to think it's the only explanation.
Titally unbiased, no horse in this race but it doesn't look conclusive to me.
I suspect if Forker had punched as some want to see it , kelly would have been carrying a mark and certainly would not have got up as quickly.
What was he doing then? Piling? hitting the ground in frustration? Plenty of professional boxers miss their target, the ball was nowhere near him, his forearm caught him twice. What do you suspect he was doing?
Kelly plays things up too (great player and don't want to slag him too much but he has form here) so if there was really something in this he'd not have got up and would have been giving off about it.
All of the digs at Forker are a compliment to Armagh and makes yesterdays victory even more enjoyable. If we weren't deemed a threat or had got beaten it would only be a footnote and would barely get a mention. It's great to see mostly Tyrone fans getting so animated about other counties when they should be focusing on their own team scraping through against a division 3 side only by virtue of a last minute 13 metre free kick that was missed.
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 19, 2023, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 19, 2023, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: 03,05,08 on June 19, 2023, 11:23:33 AM
From the replay yesterday it looked like forker threw a few digs on the ground after the penalty was awarded, did anyone else notice that?
Was that this one?
https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20)
Do we think this behaviour is coached in Armagh? Beginning to think it's the only explanation.
Totally unbiased, no horse in this race but it doesn't look conclusive to me.
I suspect if Forker had punched as some want to see it , kelly would have been carrying a mark and certainly would not have got up as quickly.
I think there's clearly contact on the first effort which knocks out the gum shield. Now he may be given the benefit of the doubt on that one. The second is far less clear cut. Forker seems to miss Kelly and hit the ground. One of those ones I think had he been sent off it wouldn't get overturned but may not be enough for retrospective action either.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 19, 2023, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: 03,05,08 on June 19, 2023, 11:23:33 AM
From the replay yesterday it looked like forker threw a few digs on the ground after the penalty was awarded, did anyone else notice that?
Was that this one?
https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20)
Do we think this behaviour is coached in Armagh? Beginning to think it's the only explanation.
Just to clarify I couldn't give a shit if he did, just wanted to know if it was just me that saw it. Happens with every team in the country, don't buy into the bullshit from southern media "it's always Armagh".
Maybe Kelly's diving + cheating during league coming back to bite him? Esp the "incident" vs Monaghan
The group is over
We won it
Time to look forward for all teams involved
Quote from: 5times5times on June 19, 2023, 12:12:44 PM
Maybe Kelly's diving + cheating during league coming back to bite him? Esp the "incident" vs Monaghan
Ah sure then that's ok then :D
If the shoe was on the other foot, would Armagh ones have highlighted this or just said "ah, nothing in that, not conclusive, he deserved it for diving and cheating against Monaghan" ?
Just call it as it is and move on, there's no defending that action
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 12:05:07 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 19, 2023, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 19, 2023, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: 03,05,08 on June 19, 2023, 11:23:33 AM
From the replay yesterday it looked like forker threw a few digs on the ground after the penalty was awarded, did anyone else notice that?
Was that this one?
https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20)
Do we think this behaviour is coached in Armagh? Beginning to think it's the only explanation.
Titally unbiased, no horse in this race but it doesn't look conclusive to me.
I suspect if Forker had punched as some want to see it , kelly would have been carrying a mark and certainly would not have got up as quickly.
What was he doing then? Piling? hitting the ground in frustration? Plenty of professional boxers miss their target, the ball was nowhere near him, his forearm caught him twice. What do you suspect he was doing?
I dont think he was striking kelly on the face. Thats what i think.
In real time limbs and body's are making contact and moving in close vicinity. Sean Kelly certainly did not react like he was struck, and we know from the league game with Monaghan
He would make the most if it , if he had been.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 12:17:54 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on June 19, 2023, 12:12:44 PM
Maybe Kelly's diving + cheating during league coming back to bite him? Esp the "incident" vs Monaghan
Ah sure then that's ok then :D
If the shoe was on the other foot, would Armagh ones have highlighted this or just said "ah, nothing in that, not conclusive, he deserved it for diving and cheating against Monaghan" ?
Just call it as it is and move on, there's no defending that action
Yep.
I believe the rule is striking or attempting to strike. At the very least, it looks like 2 attempts to strike.
Should be a straight red.
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 19, 2023, 12:26:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 12:05:07 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 19, 2023, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 19, 2023, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: 03,05,08 on June 19, 2023, 11:23:33 AM
From the replay yesterday it looked like forker threw a few digs on the ground after the penalty was awarded, did anyone else notice that?
Was that this one?
https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1670691721846423553?s=20)
Do we think this behaviour is coached in Armagh? Beginning to think it's the only explanation.
Titally unbiased, no horse in this race but it doesn't look conclusive to me.
I suspect if Forker had punched as some want to see it , kelly would have been carrying a mark and certainly would not have got up as quickly.
What was he doing then? Piling? hitting the ground in frustration? Plenty of professional boxers miss their target, the ball was nowhere near him, his forearm caught him twice. What do you suspect he was doing?
I dont think he was striking kelly on the face. Thats what i think.
In real time limbs and body's are making contact and moving in close vicinity. Sean Kelly certainly did not react like he was struck, and we know from the league game with Monaghan
He would make the most if it , if he had been.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 12:17:54 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on June 19, 2023, 12:12:44 PM
Maybe Kelly's diving + cheating during league coming back to bite him? Esp the "incident" vs Monaghan
Ah sure then that's ok then :D
If the shoe was on the other foot, would Armagh ones have highlighted this or just said "ah, nothing in that, not conclusive, he deserved it for diving and cheating against Monaghan" ?
Just call it as it is and move on, there's no defending that action
Yep.
I believe the rule is striking or attempting to strike. At the very least, it looks like 2 attempts to strike.
Should be a straight red.
The first 'strike' occurred when he fell. Hard to avoid. The second 'strike' you can clearly see forker is putting his hand down. Kelly's reaction, or rather lack off, tells you all you need to know
Anyone see any comments from Joyce in the media after the game?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 19, 2023, 12:54:16 PM
Anyone see any comments from Joyce in the media after the game?
Giving off about soft frees was all I read.
In relation to penalty incident. Is it definitely Forker?
Armagh homecoming fixed for 7pm in Armagh City this evening. Be sure and come along to show your appreciation for our Group 2 heroes.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 19, 2023, 12:45:31 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2023, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2023, 12:17:54 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on June 19, 2023, 12:12:44 PM
Maybe Kelly's diving + cheating during league coming back to bite him? Esp the "incident" vs Monaghan
Ah sure then that's ok then :D
If the shoe was on the other foot, would Armagh ones have highlighted this or just said "ah, nothing in that, not conclusive, he deserved it for diving and cheating against Monaghan" ?
Just call it as it is and move on, there's no defending that action
Yep.
I believe the rule is striking or attempting to strike. At the very least, it looks like 2 attempts to strike.
Should be a straight red.
The first 'strike' occurred when he fell. Hard to avoid. The second 'strike' you can clearly see forker is putting his hand down. Kelly's reaction, or rather lack off, tells you all you need to know
Watching the game I never noticed any reaction from Kelly after the incident. If he thought he had been punched twice I am sure he would have addressed it with the ref or player who done it.
On the game itself, Galway seemed to control a lot of the game and the few goal chances created would have killed off Armagh, but they just weren't able to do that. Surly they are kicking themselves for the predicament they are left in now. If Kelly is injured for Mayo they have little chance of winning imo.
Armagh to their credit played well and kept at them, not allowing them to extend their early lead. Perhaps Galway disrespected them by allowing them to kick the ball into the forwards as they were doing.
Credit must go to Westmeath also. As we all suspected, they were going to drop out at this stage, but they wen't out swinging and performed admirably in every game.
Galway - injuries depending, they are more than likely to get dumped out next day out.
Armagh - luck of the draw will see them progress further. Consistency is a big issue.
Tyrone - too unpredictable to cause any of the big teams any concern. Similar to Armagh, just not consistent enough.
Tyrone Fans - couldn't love them if you reared them.
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2023, 01:08:00 PM
Armagh homecoming fixed for 7pm in Armagh City this evening. Be sure and come along to show your appreciation for our Group 2 heroes.
Took you a while. Expected this post yesterday haha
Quote from: yellowcard on June 19, 2023, 12:07:00 PM
All of the digs at Forker are a compliment to Armagh and makes yesterdays victory even more enjoyable. If we weren't deemed a threat or had got beaten it would only be a footnote and would barely get a mention. It's great to see mostly Tyrone fans getting so animated about other counties when they should be focusing on their own team scraping through against a division 3 side only by virtue of a last minute 13 metre free kick that was missed.
It would be good if Armagh could kick on from this and at least make a semi final
A few new teams is what the competition needs and the Orange jerseys go well with a lot of other colours.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 19, 2023, 01:20:43 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2023, 01:08:00 PM
Armagh homecoming fixed for 7pm in Armagh City this evening. Be sure and come along to show your appreciation for our Group 2 heroes.
Took you a while. Expected this post yesterday haha
Nothing worse than telling an old joke.
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2023, 01:26:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 19, 2023, 12:07:00 PM
All of the digs at Forker are a compliment to Armagh and makes yesterdays victory even more enjoyable. If we weren't deemed a threat or had got beaten it would only be a footnote and would barely get a mention. It's great to see mostly Tyrone fans getting so animated about other counties when they should be focusing on their own team scraping through against a division 3 side only by virtue of a last minute 13 metre free kick that was missed.
It would be good if Armagh could kick on from this and at least make a semi final
A few new teams is what the competition needs and the Orange jerseys go well with a lot of other colours.
Fingers crossed we do
Lads trying to defend Forker here ffs. "He was clearly putting his hand on the ground". Catch yourselves on.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 19, 2023, 01:17:02 PM
Tyrone - too unpredictable to cause any of the big teams any concern. Similar to Armagh, just not consistent enough.
Being unpredictable would surely mean the 'big' teams would be concerned about Tyrone. If you offered Jack O'Connor a semi final against Croke Park against either Tyrone or Armagh (or Derry for that matter) Tyrone would definitely not be his first choice.
Quote from: seafoid on June 19, 2023, 01:26:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 19, 2023, 12:07:00 PM
All of the digs at Forker are a compliment to Armagh and makes yesterdays victory even more enjoyable. If we weren't deemed a threat or had got beaten it would only be a footnote and would barely get a mention. It's great to see mostly Tyrone fans getting so animated about other counties when they should be focusing on their own team scraping through against a division 3 side only by virtue of a last minute 13 metre free kick that was missed.
It would be good if Armagh could kick on from this and at least make a semi final
A few new teams is what the competition needs and the Orange jerseys go well with a lot of other colours.
After yesterdays result the pathway is now clear to a semi final and we'll be hoping that Galway beat Mayo as we'd be confident of beating any of the other sides we could potentially face in a quarter final match. With Rian and possibly Oisin O'Neill along with one or two others back, it seems that we are in good shape going into the business end of the championship.
Quote from: gallsman on June 19, 2023, 01:32:08 PM
Lads trying to defend Forker here ffs. "He was clearly putting his hand on the ground". Catch yourselves on.
That's exactly what he was doing
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Quote from: gallsman on June 19, 2023, 01:32:08 PM
Lads trying to defend Forker here ffs. "He was clearly putting his hand on the ground". Catch yourselves on.
That's exactly what he was doing
Would you ever f**k away off for Christ's sake. He puts his hand on the ground, with a closed fist, with his arm fully extended, aye? To what end?
Galway were much the better side in the first half and always looked dangerous went they went for it. Not so much in the 2nd half. They'll definitely be concerned about Kelly for the next game. What a player.
As an Armagh supporter, it was great to get over the line in a close big game. Shocked to have topped the group. We will certainly enjoy a trip to HQ.
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Quote from: gallsman on June 19, 2023, 01:32:08 PM
Lads trying to defend Forker here ffs. "He was clearly putting his hand on the ground". Catch yourselves on.
That's exactly what he was doing
Would you ever f**k away off for Christ's sake. He puts his hand on the ground, with a closed fist, with his arm fully extended, aye? To what end?
You've never fallen down in a tackle and put your hand out to support yourself I take it. I think it's you who needs to f**k away off kiddo
If there was a strike there, there would have been a reaction by Kelly and other galway players.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 19, 2023, 12:07:00 PM
All of the digs at Forker are a compliment to Armagh and makes yesterdays victory even more enjoyable. If we weren't deemed a threat or had got beaten it would only be a footnote and would barely get a mention. It's great to see mostly Tyrone fans getting so animated about other counties when they should be focusing on their own team scraping through against a division 3 side only by virtue of a last minute 13 metre free kick that was missed.
Can people please stop calling it a 13m free when it's at the sideline, 40m from the goal with a tight angle?
Quote from: maddog on June 19, 2023, 02:33:47 PM
If there was a strike there, there would have been a reaction by Kelly and other galway players.
A missed double strike?
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Quote from: maddog on June 19, 2023, 02:33:47 PM
If there was a strike there, there would have been a reaction by Kelly and other galway players.
A missed double strike?
Next time forker should just allow himself to faceplant so no y thinks he's striking anyone. Would that suit!
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All of the digs at Forker are a compliment to Armagh and makes yesterdays victory even more enjoyable. If we weren't deemed a threat or had got beaten it would only be a footnote and would barely get a mention. It's great to see mostly Tyrone fans getting so animated about other counties when they should be focusing on their own team scraping through against a division 3 side only by virtue of a last minute 13 metre free kick that was missed.
Can people please stop calling it a 13m free when it's at the sideline, 40m from the goal with a tight angle?
Watch it again. It was a 13 metre free taken half way between the sideline and the goals. Certainly not 40 metres from goal but probably about 25 metres and one you would expect a player of Heslins quality to knock over. Similar to the Shane Walsh one it looks like a perfect angle for a right footed taker to hit off the ground and draw it in but very few players are able to execute that skill now.
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As good a Sunday as have had in years
Many wondered could we get the last day drama of the NFL in the championship? well today was just like that with plenty of twist and turns plus shock result and it all points to a successful first year of this group format,
RTE missed a trick not showing live league tables.
Thought some of the coverage was poor. The end of Cork / Mayo on GAA Go the commentator genuinely had no clue that a Cork 3 pt win secured second place for them. You've Aidan O'Shea lining up a free at the end where a point meant Mayo were back in second, was never mentioned.
It's the same as last day in the league with relegation permutations - there is so much drama that you would think a broadcaster would thrive on and they just aren't geared for it at all.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2023, 03:21:18 PM
It's the same as last day in the league with relegation permutations - there is so much drama that you would think a broadcaster would thrive on and they just aren't geared for it at all.
It's a totally new system. Nobody knew what to expect. I would give them a pass this time but expect better next year.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2023, 03:21:18 PM
It's the same as last day in the league with relegation permutations - there is so much drama that you would think a broadcaster would thrive on and they just aren't geared for it at all.
It's a totally new system. Nobody knew what to expect. I would give them a pass this time but expect better next year.
That's letting them off the hook. In each group there were a small number of permutations, get someone to tabulate those and than pass out the page to everyone.
Exactly. There's a voluntary twitter account was completely on top of it. All it took was some homework.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2023, 03:21:18 PM
It's the same as last day in the league with relegation permutations - there is so much drama that you would think a broadcaster would thrive on and they just aren't geared for it at all.
It's a totally new system. Nobody knew what to expect. I would give them a pass this time but expect better next year.
That's letting them off the hook. In each group there were a small number of permutations, get someone to tabulate those and than pass out the page to everyone.
I agree - Cork by 3 meaning Mayo are third took all of a minute to check the table and quickly realise. I watched the end of it fully aware that was the case and watched the O'Shea free thinking how can he not mention this. Commentary teams are notorious for doing their research before hand - just thought it was bizzare! Good weekend of football though, very enjoyable. Looking forward to the next 2 weekends.
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Tyrone - too unpredictable to cause any of the big teams any concern. Similar to Armagh, just not consistent enough.
Being unpredictable would surely mean the 'big' teams would be concerned about Tyrone. If you offered Jack O'Connor a semi final against Croke Park against either Tyrone or Armagh (or Derry for that matter) Tyrone would definitely not be his first choice.
I would have to disagree. Everyone is waiting for the inner beast in Tyrone to come to the fore, but it just hasn't happened and I don't think it will this year.
There was plenty of talk after the ulster championship defeat that they had a really good training block and would be primed for the AI series. 1 win, 1 draw and 1 defeat in their group, with (albeit a point) minus scoring difference will hardly be giving Jack OConnor sleepless nights.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 19, 2023, 03:49:26 PM
Exactly. There's a voluntary twitter account was completely on top of it. All it took was some homework.
The Tyrone official Twitter had WM winning the game
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Lads trying to defend Forker here ffs. "He was clearly putting his hand on the ground". Catch yourselves on.
That's exactly what he was doing
Would you ever f**k away off for Christ's sake. He puts his hand on the ground, with a closed fist, with his arm fully extended, aye? To what end?
You've never fallen down in a tackle and put your hand out to support yourself I take it. I think it's you who needs to f**k away off kiddo
He was already on the f**king ground, what falling exactly was he doing?!
Absolutely blatant strike and then follow up attempt to strike. Trying to defend the indefensible.
Great day of football - few thoughts:
We were not good and still arent firing on all cylilnders. We are wide open at the back and Westmeath were unfortunate not to take anything from the game
Canavan was excellent - if McCurry & him gel in a game we will outscore most teams
I am still uncertain about our management - we dont seem to be able to change anything during the game - if we win we win. If we are playing shit we will play shit until the end of the game
Armagh player punching a Kelly once he fell after the penalty incident has to be reviewed - if Cavan Joe had saw that he would have given a red
Armagh free was questionable at the end - no more than that as we have all seen them given
Galway free was a certainty after a brain fart by the Armagh defender but the whistle should have been blown before then
Last point - how did no one on the entire Mayo backroom team get a message to Aidan to kick the ball over the bar to guarantee second place? Do the players even know what the possible outcomes are? Madness and one which will probably put Mayo out of the race for Sam
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Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 19, 2023, 01:17:02 PM
Tyrone - too unpredictable to cause any of the big teams any concern. Similar to Armagh, just not consistent enough.
Being unpredictable would surely mean the 'big' teams would be concerned about Tyrone. If you offered Jack O'Connor a semi final against Croke Park against either Tyrone or Armagh (or Derry for that matter) Tyrone would definitely not be his first choice.
I would have to disagree. Everyone is waiting for the inner beast in Tyrone to come to the fore, but it just hasn't happened and I don't think it will this year.
There was plenty of talk after the ulster championship defeat that they had a really good training block and would be primed for the AI series. 1 win, 1 draw and 1 defeat in their group, with (albeit a point) minus scoring difference will hardly be giving Jack OConnor sleepless nights.
There's big game wins left in all of the last 12 teams, it's stringing 2 or 3 together that's going to make the difference. I don't see Armagh or Derry doing it tbh, I certainly don't see Tyrone doing it, they just look so off it. I'm losing faith in Galway and for all the novelty this year has brought so far it'll probably end up a Dublin v Kerry final.
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Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 19, 2023, 01:17:02 PM
Tyrone - too unpredictable to cause any of the big teams any concern. Similar to Armagh, just not consistent enough.
Being unpredictable would surely mean the 'big' teams would be concerned about Tyrone. If you offered Jack O'Connor a semi final against Croke Park against either Tyrone or Armagh (or Derry for that matter) Tyrone would definitely not be his first choice.
I would have to disagree. Everyone is waiting for the inner beast in Tyrone to come to the fore, but it just hasn't happened and I don't think it will this year.
There was plenty of talk after the ulster championship defeat that they had a really good training block and would be primed for the AI series. 1 win, 1 draw and 1 defeat in their group, with (albeit a point) minus scoring difference will hardly be giving Jack OConnor sleepless nights.
There's big game wins left in all of the last 12 teams, it's stringing 2 or 3 together that's going to make the difference. I don't see Armagh or Derry doing it tbh, I certainly don't see Tyrone doing it, they just look so off it. I'm losing faith in Galway and for all the novelty this year has brought so far it'll probably end up a Dublin v Kerry final.
All of the teams left are flawed: One of them has to fall over the line.
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Lads trying to defend Forker here ffs. "He was clearly putting his hand on the ground". Catch yourselves on.
That's exactly what he was doing
Would you ever f**k away off for Christ's sake. He puts his hand on the ground, with a closed fist, with his arm fully extended, aye? To what end?
You've never fallen down in a tackle and put your hand out to support yourself I take it. I think it's you who needs to f**k away off kiddo
He was already on the f**king ground, what falling exactly was he doing?!
Absolutely blatant strike and then follow up attempt to strike. Trying to defend the indefensible.
The video is so clear and it's so obvious that I can't really understand why there's just not an acceptance of what happened, instead of people trying to somehow lie to themselves about it and convince themselves it was something else.
It won't effect the result yesterday at this stage and it won't make any difference to whether the GAA decide to pursue it or not for some retrospective action.
It was a punch.
Funny how things panned out yesterday.
With ten mins left Tyrone led by four and Armagh were going to finish third.
Had that stayed that way Armagh would be away to Donegal and Tyrone home to Mayo.
I have to hand it to Armagh they certainly provide a lot of entertainment and drama for everyone.
Yes they often break the rules but they have now drawn with Derry, beaten Galway, lost to Tyrone and will fancy their chances against any of the preliminary winners. Especially if they can't play Galway or Tyrone again.
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Maybe Kelly's diving + cheating during league coming back to bite him? Esp the "incident" vs Monaghan
Ah sure then that's ok then :D
If the shoe was on the other foot, would Armagh ones have highlighted this or just said "ah, nothing in that, not conclusive, he deserved it for diving and cheating against Monaghan" ?
Just call it as it is and move on, there's no defending that action
Yep.
I believe the rule is striking or attempting to strike. At the very least, it looks like 2 attempts to strike.
Should be a straight red.
The first 'strike' occurred when he fell. Hard to avoid. The second 'strike' you can clearly see forker is putting his hand down. Kelly's reaction, or rather lack off, tells you all you need to know
Be interesting to see how Fork handles this ???
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 19, 2023, 05:46:21 PM
Funny how things panned out yesterday.
With ten mins left Tyrone led by four and Armagh were going to finish third.
Had that stayed that way Armagh would be away to Donegal and Tyrone home to Mayo.
I have to hand it to Armagh they certainly provide a lot of entertainment and drama for everyone.
Yes they often break the rules but they have now drawn with Derry, beaten Galway, lost to Tyrone and will fancy their chances against any of the preliminary winners. Especially if they can't play Galway or Tyrone again.
With 4 minutes left Mayo were in control.
Roscommon lost with the last kick. It was so unpredictable.
Quote from: Taylor on June 19, 2023, 04:06:48 PM
Great day of football - few thoughts:
We were not good and still arent firing on all cylilnders. We are wide open at the back and Westmeath were unfortunate not to take anything from the game
Canavan was excellent - if McCurry & him gel in a game we will outscore most teams
I am still uncertain about our management - we dont seem to be able to change anything during the game - if we win we win. If we are playing shit we will play shit until the end of the game
Armagh player punching a Kelly once he fell after the penalty incident has to be reviewed - if Cavan Joe had saw that he would have given a red
Armagh free was questionable at the end - no more than that as we have all seen them given
Galway free was a certainty after a brain fart by the Armagh defender but the whistle should have been blown before then
Last point - how did no one on the entire Mayo backroom team get a message to Aidan to kick the ball over the bar to guarantee second place? Do the players even know what the possible outcomes are? Madness and one which will probably put Mayo out of the race for Sam
It felt like the ref was trying to make up for what a mistake he thought he'd made previously. But yeah, a lot of extra time.
Canavan was excellent, and McCurry has had a good year. But they can only score if they get the service. Imo, Tyrone don't have the middle 8 to supply them with enough ball against the stronger opposition. I think any of Dublin/Derry/Kerry/Galway would have comfortably beat Westmeath.
I think Tyrone will come unstuck against the first serious opposition they come up against. Doesn't take away from Canavan and McCurry being in top form.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 19, 2023, 05:32:13 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on June 19, 2023, 05:11:13 PM
It was a punch.
A punch or two ?
The first one you perhaps could make an argument for it being accidental.
The 2nd one for me was blatant.
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It was a punch.
A punch or two ?
The first one you perhaps could make an argument for it being accidental.
The 2nd one for me was blatant.
Don't get me wrong I think both were punches but I'm not sure there's enough evidence there that would stand up to scrutiny were retrospective action be taken. I think the first it's too difficult to say conclusively that was anything other than accidental.
On the second one I don't think it's clear he makes contact so I'd not be surprised if no further action is taken because attempted strikes are much harder to prove than actual strikes because you have to demonstrate intent.
Next match I do, some player will say "ffs ref, I was just trying to stop myself from face planting and doubled jab the man so I didn't hurt myself"
;D ;D
Like I said if the shoe was on the other foot the gurning you'd hear from the Armagh ones would be hard to listen too
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Quote from: Solo_run on June 19, 2023, 05:11:13 PM
It was a punch.
A punch or two ?
The first one you perhaps could make an argument for it being accidental.
The 2nd one for me was blatant.
Don't get me wrong I think both were punches but I'm not sure there's enough evidence there that would stand up to scrutiny were retrospective action be taken. I think the first it's too difficult to say conclusively that was anything other than accidental.
On the second one I don't think it's clear he makes contact so I'd not be surprised if no further action is taken because attempted strikes are much harder to prove than actual strikes because you have to demonstrate intent.
Disagree entirely that the first punch is a difficult call, it's very clear for all to see the intent there, I honestly can't believe the usage of the word accidental in relation to it, it's not going to put Galway up or down at this point if nothing is done so I don't care but the denial of what is obvious is an absurdity.
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Quote from: Solo_run on June 19, 2023, 05:11:13 PM
It was a punch.
A punch or two ?
The first one you perhaps could make an argument for it being accidental.
The 2nd one for me was blatant.
Don't get me wrong I think both were punches but I'm not sure there's enough evidence there that would stand up to scrutiny were retrospective action be taken. I think the first it's too difficult to say conclusively that was anything other than accidental.
On the second one I don't think it's clear he makes contact so I'd not be surprised if no further action is taken because attempted strikes are much harder to prove than actual strikes because you have to demonstrate intent.
Disagree entirely that the first punch is a difficult call, it's very clear for all to see the intent there, I honestly can't believe the usage of the word accidental in relation to it, it's not going to put Galway up or down at this point if nothing is done so I don't care but the denial of what is obvious is an absurdity.
Im not denying its a punch what I am saying is that I would be surprised if there was retrospective action given the limited quality of the video and lack of angles etc and it will likely be excused off as potentially accidental.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 19, 2023, 05:32:13 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on June 19, 2023, 05:11:13 PM
It was a punch.
A punch or two ?
The first one you perhaps could make an argument for it being accidental.
The 2nd one for me was blatant.
Don't get me wrong I think both were punches but I'm not sure there's enough evidence there that would stand up to scrutiny were retrospective action be taken. I think the first it's too difficult to say conclusively that was anything other than accidental.
On the second one I don't think it's clear he makes contact so I'd not be surprised if no further action is taken because attempted strikes are much harder to prove than actual strikes because you have to demonstrate intent.
Disagree entirely that the first punch is a difficult call, it's very clear for all to see the intent there, I honestly can't believe the usage of the word accidental in relation to it, it's not going to put Galway up or down at this point if nothing is done so I don't care but the denial of what is obvious is an absurdity.
Im not denying its a punch what I am saying is that I would be surprised if there was retrospective action given the limited quality of the video and lack of angles etc and it will likely be excused off as potentially accidental.
It depends on how the GAA see it. There seems to be a precedent.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/04/today-wasnt-about-champagne-football-jack-oconnor-admits-kerry-still-a-work-in-progress/The otherwise excellent Seán Powter was turned over in centrefield, and 30 seconds later he brought down Paul Geaney as the Kerry forward was driving at the Cork goal from an angle.
Even though the offence had taken place outside the square, referee David Gough deemed that it had been a goalscoring opportunity, and because the foul had taken place inside the 21 he was bound to award a penalty.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/20/jim-mcguinness-in-the-blink-of-an-eye-my-dark-horse-galway-became-a-shade-darker/Armagh asked Joyce's side a lot of questions, they ran at them aggressively, were more expansive and their kicking game started to come to the fore, really testing the Galway full-back line.
Armagh went long with their kick-outs and if they won possession they would immediately go long again. They also continued to squeeze Conor Gleeson's kick-outs and that was an area Armagh did exceptionally well in all afternoon, getting that press on early.
There was a real honesty about Armagh in that second period of the game, they hunted in packs and as a result the game became chaotic.
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It was a punch.
A punch or two ?
David with the greatest respect after every game you seem to want irrefutable evidence on every Armagh incident. I get that from a legal perspective but if you keep defending your players like this it's going to continue and will be the reason why Armagh football cannot move on. A county of bullshit narrative, blame and excuses...
The first one you perhaps could make an argument for it being accidental.
The 2nd one for me was blatant.
Don't get me wrong I think both were punches but I'm not sure there's enough evidence there that would stand up to scrutiny were retrospective action be taken. I think the first it's too difficult to say conclusively that was anything other than accidental.
On the second one I don't think it's clear he makes contact so I'd not be surprised if no further action is taken because attempted strikes are much harder to prove than actual strikes because you have to demonstrate intent.
Disagree entirely that the first punch is a difficult call, it's very clear for all to see the intent there, I honestly can't believe the usage of the word accidental in relation to it, it's not going to put Galway up or down at this point if nothing is done so I don't care but the denial of what is obvious is an absurdity.
Im not denying its a punch what I am saying is that I would be surprised if there was retrospective action given the limited quality of the video and lack of angles etc and it will likely be excused off as potentially accidental.
Nonsense. Why would you punch a player lying on his back? Makes no sense. It looked to me like he was trying to punch the ball out of Kelly's hands but he himself got shoved.
Is all notion of people just accepting what their county players do on the pitch at face value gone and is it all going to just be partisan bias and see what we want to see at this stage?
Quote from: Orior on June 20, 2023, 10:18:35 AM
Nonsense. Why would you punch a player lying on his back? Makes no sense. It looked to me like he was trying to punch the ball out of Kelly's hands but he himself got shoved.
Did you see where the ball actually was? Maybe the ball of his throat he was aiming for ;D
Terrible attempt at punching. Forker wouldn't be much use if things kicked off outside Tomneys.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2023, 10:24:05 AM
Is all notion of people just accepting what their county players do on the pitch at face value gone and is it all going to just be partisan bias and see what we want to see at this stage?
This is it exactly. Its gone like the Premier League supporters. Players in our own team are incapable of doing anything bad and if something goes against them its a conspiracy from the GAA and/or referees.
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Quote from: Taylor on June 19, 2023, 04:06:48 PM
Great day of football - few thoughts:
We were not good and still arent firing on all cylilnders. We are wide open at the back and Westmeath were unfortunate not to take anything from the game
Canavan was excellent - if McCurry & him gel in a game we will outscore most teams
I am still uncertain about our management - we dont seem to be able to change anything during the game - if we win we win. If we are playing shit we will play shit until the end of the game
Armagh player punching a Kelly once he fell after the penalty incident has to be reviewed - if Cavan Joe had saw that he would have given a red
Armagh free was questionable at the end - no more than that as we have all seen them given
Galway free was a certainty after a brain fart by the Armagh defender but the whistle should have been blown before then
Last point - how did no one on the entire Mayo backroom team get a message to Aidan to kick the ball over the bar to guarantee second place? Do the players even know what the possible outcomes are? Madness and one which will probably put Mayo out of the race for Sam
I'm fairly certain O'Shea went for a point.
Yeah, two aspects tell me he was going for a point.
1. If they were needing a goal surely O'Shea would be in the square
2. Players and coaches surely know at this stage that kicks into the square from a free give you virtually no chance of a goal - you should play a quick pass and then fire it in (or have some other plan).
Can anyone from Mayo, particularly on the coaching staff say with a straight face that O'Shea is a good candidate to take a vital free from 35 yards out with time almost up?
I thought he was on free taking duties for the easy ones just to boost his confidence. There's about 10 players better at taking frees than Aidan O'Shea on that Mayo squad, no? He's scored 44 points in 14 years of playing with Mayo, he's clearly not a point scorer of note.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2023, 10:24:05 AM
Is all notion of people just accepting what their county players do on the pitch at face value gone and is it all going to just be partisan bias and see what we want to see at this stage?
Strange I was thinking the exact opposite with a complete refusal from many posters (not all) to accept that there may be an alternative point of view with some even attacking the poster rather than debating the merits. I suppose this is the other side of the same coin and likely just as influenced by county loyalties and bias.
I am not buying that at all. Just call it as it is, no need for debate and smokescreen.
Forker is a knave, always has been and always will be. Glad he's ours tho.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2023, 10:24:05 AM
Is all notion of people just accepting what their county players do on the pitch at face value gone and is it all going to just be partisan bias and see what we want to see at this stage?
Strange I was thinking the exact opposite with a complete refusal from many posters (not all) to accept that there may be an alternative point of view with some even attacking the poster rather than debating the merits. I suppose this is the other side of the same coin and likely just as influenced by county loyalties and bias.
But there is no actual credible evidence for an alternative point of view here, this is the key point, no? Are we into the realm of alternative facts now? This smacks of a defence lawyer trying to place doubt on clear evidence as it's the only course of action remaining that they have in an effort to try and clear a guilty party.
Sean Kelly's antics in the Monaghan league game were raised earlier in this thread as some form of a defection tactic from, or justification for, what we all saw on Sunday, I was disappointed in Kelly's behaviour at the time and said as much, they did him and the Galway jersey no credit at all. There was some minimal contact in that incident and while we could have made excuses on the back of that, in an attempt to maintain some sort of defence for "our man" it flies in the face of the reality of the situation, he was barely touched and dived. It was what we all saw. Just like it was with that tr**p Forker on Sunday.
No one is so naïve as to not expect that judgements are going to be clouded by bias in certain instances, there will of course be times when things aren't exactly clear cut and arguments can be made either way, it would be disingenuous to think otherwise. I don't think this instance is one of those times.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 20, 2023, 12:37:23 PM
Forker is a knave, always has been and always will be. Glad he's ours tho.
Is there a Mrs Forker? Would she be the Mother Forker ?
Just call it what it is and be honest about your own team, every team has one of those characters minimum, just off the top of my head looking at the top teams
Tyrone - McKernan (one other back could be added)
Armagh - forker (I could name more, specifically a corner back but won't to upset our orchard friends on here)
Mayo - Diarmuid O'Connor loves an elbow
Dublin - John Small (Philly McMahon and Jonny Cooper were before they went)
Monaghan - Ward
Donegal - McMenamin
Kerry - where do I start with their backs
Do Galway have anyone who would be considered a dirty player? They are developing a wee bit more cynicism but no one stands out.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2023, 12:38:50 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2023, 11:34:35 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2023, 10:24:05 AM
Is all notion of people just accepting what their county players do on the pitch at face value gone and is it all going to just be partisan bias and see what we want to see at this stage?
Strange I was thinking the exact opposite with a complete refusal from many posters (not all) to accept that there may be an alternative point of view with some even attacking the poster rather than debating the merits. I suppose this is the other side of the same coin and likely just as influenced by county loyalties and bias.
But there is no actual credible evidence for an alternative point of view here, this is the key point, no? Are we into the realm of alternative facts now? This smacks of a defence lawyer trying to place doubt on clear evidence as it's the only course of action remaining that they have in an effort to try and clear a guilty party.
Sean Kelly's antics in the Monaghan league game were raised earlier in this thread as some form of a defection tactic from, or justification for, what we all saw on Sunday, I was disappointed in Kelly's behaviour at the time and said as much, they did him and the Galway jersey no credit at all. There was some minimal contact in that incident and while we could have made excuses on the back of that, in an attempt to maintain some sort of defence for "our man" it flies in the face of the reality of the situation, he was barely touched and dived. It was what we all saw. Just like it was with that tr**p Forker on Sunday.
No one is so naïve as to not expect that judgements are going to be clouded by bias in certain instances, there will of course be times when things aren't exactly clear cut and arguments can be made either way, it would be disingenuous to think otherwise. I don't think this instance is one of those times.
I honestly don't accept that. To use the two most recent examples. I fully accept that my position is that Forker deliberately punches and then attempts to punch Kelly in the head. But I also accept that I can't be 100% certain of both of those things. The first video when slowed down seems to show a deliberate punch initially. However when at normal speed I can't be certain that Forker isn't making some kind of bad attempt on the ball. There's also sudden head movement which I would have expected. So there clearly is credible evidence for an alternative point of view.
Likewise whilst I think the second one is an attempted punch, i can see the other argument that I don't see any contact with Kelly's head, nor does Kelly's head move to avoid contact and Kelly doesn't flinch before or complain afterwards. In addition Forker who is very near by, would have been unhindered and likely wouldn't have missed had he been attempting to punch.
So I can totally understand why others may have different opinions on the incident. But the evidence simply isn't as clear as you make it out to be.
It's similar with the O'Neill incident. Yes his knees are undoubtedly on Quinn's head but I've yet to see footage of them being there without Quinn pulling him by the shirt and legs. So whilst I can understand why people were saying it was red I honestly don't agree nor do I think the video evidence is incontrovertible.
No need for alternative facts or anything of the like.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2023, 01:09:51 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2023, 12:38:50 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2023, 11:34:35 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2023, 10:24:05 AM
Is all notion of people just accepting what their county players do on the pitch at face value gone and is it all going to just be partisan bias and see what we want to see at this stage?
Strange I was thinking the exact opposite with a complete refusal from many posters (not all) to accept that there may be an alternative point of view with some even attacking the poster rather than debating the merits. I suppose this is the other side of the same coin and likely just as influenced by county loyalties and bias.
But there is no actual credible evidence for an alternative point of view here, this is the key point, no? Are we into the realm of alternative facts now? This smacks of a defence lawyer trying to place doubt on clear evidence as it's the only course of action remaining that they have in an effort to try and clear a guilty party.
Sean Kelly's antics in the Monaghan league game were raised earlier in this thread as some form of a defection tactic from, or justification for, what we all saw on Sunday, I was disappointed in Kelly's behaviour at the time and said as much, they did him and the Galway jersey no credit at all. There was some minimal contact in that incident and while we could have made excuses on the back of that, in an attempt to maintain some sort of defence for "our man" it flies in the face of the reality of the situation, he was barely touched and dived. It was what we all saw. Just like it was with that tr**p Forker on Sunday.
No one is so naïve as to not expect that judgements are going to be clouded by bias in certain instances, there will of course be times when things aren't exactly clear cut and arguments can be made either way, it would be disingenuous to think otherwise. I don't think this instance is one of those times.
I honestly don't accept that. To use the two most recent examples. I fully accept that my position is that Forker deliberately punches and then attempts to punch Kelly in the head. But I also accept that I can't be 100% certain of both of those things. The first video when slowed down seems to show a deliberate punch initially. However when at normal speed I can't be certain that Forker isn't making some kind of bad attempt on the ball. There's also sudden head movement which I would have expected. So there clearly is credible evidence for an alternative point of view.
Likewise whilst I think the second one is an attempted punch, i can see the other argument that I don't see any contact with Kelly's head, nor does Kelly's head move to avoid contact and Kelly doesn't flinch before or complain afterwards. In addition Forker who is very near by, would have been unhindered and likely wouldn't have missed had he been attempting to punch.
So I can totally understand why others may have different opinions on the incident. But the evidence simply isn't as clear as you make it out to be.
It's similar with the O'Neill incident. Yes his knees are undoubtedly on Quinn's head but I've yet to see footage of them being there without Quinn pulling him by the shirt and legs. So whilst I can understand why people were saying it was red I honestly don't agree nor do I think the video evidence is incontrovertible.
No need for alternative facts or anything of the like.
Only someone with omniscience can be 100% certain of anything in life which seems to be your bar here in the face of what's plain to be seen. I don't accept what you've outlined in this instance so we'll have to disagree and leave it be because there's little else to add when the evidence is as clear as I perceive it to be and as unclear as you do. Best of luck to ye for the rest of the championship.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 20, 2023, 12:57:29 PM
Do Galway have anyone who would be considered a dirty player? They are developing a wee bit more cynicism but no one stands out.
Maybe that's why Sam didn't sit at the front of the Galway bus last summer?
He punched him surely. Noticed it at the time. It's one of those ones where he knew rightly he would get away with it but if you are clearly caught on camera then you have to deal with the consequences. He should get a 1 game ban (as much as I would hate that as I think that would be a huge blow to Armagh)
That said, I'm sure there are loads of sly digs to ribs etc in all games that go unpunished and not caught on camera. It's the risk you run if you engage in that behaviour. For example I stood watching Matty Donnelly choke Forker with 2 hands on 2 occasions in Omagh, not 20 yards from me. No action and no trial by media.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 20, 2023, 12:57:29 PM
Do Galway have anyone who would be considered a dirty player? They are developing a wee bit more cynicism but no one stands out.
There's no Galway or Kerry players who I would consider a dirty player.
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I honestly don't accept that. To use the two most recent examples. I fully accept that my position is that Forker deliberately punches and then attempts to punch Kelly in the head. But I also accept that I can't be 100% certain of both of those things. The first video when slowed down seems to show a deliberate punch initially. However when at normal speed I can't be certain that Forker isn't making some kind of bad attempt on the ball. There's also sudden head movement which I would have expected. So there clearly is credible evidence for an alternative point of view.
Likewise whilst I think the second one is an attempted punch, i can see the other argument that I don't see any contact with Kelly's head, nor does Kelly's head move to avoid contact and Kelly doesn't flinch before or complain afterwards. In addition Forker who is very near by, would have been unhindered and likely wouldn't have missed had he been attempting to punch.
So I can totally understand why others may have different opinions on the incident. But the evidence simply isn't as clear as you make it out to be.
It's similar with the O'Neill incident. Yes his knees are undoubtedly on Quinn's head but I've yet to see footage of them being there without Quinn pulling him by the shirt and legs. So whilst I can understand why people were saying it was red I honestly don't agree nor do I think the video evidence is incontrovertible.
No need for alternative facts or anything of the like.
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You talk some shite mckeown.
Most of us could sit and carefully articulate a response in the same wording we'd send an email professionally in our jobs - but it's a GAA message board. Catch yourself on ffs.
Never seen as much waffle and filler words.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 20, 2023, 02:17:26 PM
He punched him surely. Noticed it at the time. It's one of those ones where he knew rightly he would get away with it but if you are clearly caught on camera then you have to deal with the consequences. He should get a 1 game ban (as much as I would hate that as I think that would be a huge blow to Armagh)
That said, I'm sure there are loads of sly digs to ribs etc in all games that go unpunished and not caught on camera. It's the risk you run if you engage in that behaviour. For example I stood watching Matty Donnelly choke Forker with 2 hands on 2 occasions in Omagh, not 20 yards from me. No action and no trial by media.
Ahh get away with that there would ye.
It was literally directly in front of me - forker instigated the whole thing - because Armagh were well beat at that stage and were never going to come back, and he wanted to start and stir up stuff.
The two of them had hands on each other. Matty Donnelly is as honest a player you'll get and would not provoke unless provoked.
Forker is what he is - hard enough reliable defender but will never go down as a great in ulster let alone AI history. Has had many a roasting and limitations exposed.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on June 20, 2023, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 20, 2023, 02:17:26 PM
He punched him surely. Noticed it at the time. It's one of those ones where he knew rightly he would get away with it but if you are clearly caught on camera then you have to deal with the consequences. He should get a 1 game ban (as much as I would hate that as I think that would be a huge blow to Armagh)
That said, I'm sure there are loads of sly digs to ribs etc in all games that go unpunished and not caught on camera. It's the risk you run if you engage in that behaviour. For example I stood watching Matty Donnelly choke Forker with 2 hands on 2 occasions in Omagh, not 20 yards from me. No action and no trial by media.
Ahh get away with that there would ye.
It was literally directly in front of me - forker instigated the whole thing - because Armagh were well beat at that stage and were never going to come back, and he wanted to start and stir up stuff.
The two of them had hands on each other. Matty Donnelly is as honest a player you'll get and would not provoke unless provoked.
Forker is what he is - hard enough reliable defender but will never go down as a great in ulster let alone AI history. Has had many a roasting and limitations exposed.
A team that lost by two points and had a chance at a goal in the last minute were never going to come back? Yeah you are right I'm the one who talks Shite.
Also thanks to the posters who proved my point there.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on June 20, 2023, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 20, 2023, 02:17:26 PM
He punched him surely. Noticed it at the time. It's one of those ones where he knew rightly he would get away with it but if you are clearly caught on camera then you have to deal with the consequences. He should get a 1 game ban (as much as I would hate that as I think that would be a huge blow to Armagh)
That said, I'm sure there are loads of sly digs to ribs etc in all games that go unpunished and not caught on camera. It's the risk you run if you engage in that behaviour. For example I stood watching Matty Donnelly choke Forker with 2 hands on 2 occasions in Omagh, not 20 yards from me. No action and no trial by media.
Ahh get away with that there would ye.
It was literally directly in front of me - forker instigated the whole thing - because Armagh were well beat at that stage and were never going to come back, and he wanted to start and stir up stuff.
The two of them had hands on each other. Matty Donnelly is as honest a player you'll get and would not provoke unless provoked.
Forker is what he is - hard enough reliable defender but will never go down as a great in ulster let alone AI history. Has had many a roasting and limitations exposed.
Nonsense. What did Forker do to instigate being choked... twice? a bit of goading or slabbering? Just take it for what it was. The same way I can see what Forker did last week was wrong. Or Rian too. Too many supporters put the blinkers on.
To be fair David, it means you can't call out any action ever if you try and use that line of defence. It's a case of muddying the water enough to try and introduce an element of doubt. Every single nasty stroke ever, could use the same defence, no matter how obvious it might look. Sometimes a spade is a spade.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 20, 2023, 03:34:08 PM
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on June 20, 2023, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 20, 2023, 02:17:26 PM
He punched him surely. Noticed it at the time. It's one of those ones where he knew rightly he would get away with it but if you are clearly caught on camera then you have to deal with the consequences. He should get a 1 game ban (as much as I would hate that as I think that would be a huge blow to Armagh)
That said, I'm sure there are loads of sly digs to ribs etc in all games that go unpunished and not caught on camera. It's the risk you run if you engage in that behaviour. For example I stood watching Matty Donnelly choke Forker with 2 hands on 2 occasions in Omagh, not 20 yards from me. No action and no trial by media.
Ahh get away with that there would ye.
It was literally directly in front of me - forker instigated the whole thing - because Armagh were well beat at that stage and were never going to come back, and he wanted to start and stir up stuff.
The two of them had hands on each other. Matty Donnelly is as honest a player you'll get and would not provoke unless provoked.
Forker is what he is - hard enough reliable defender but will never go down as a great in ulster let alone AI history. Has had many a roasting and limitations exposed.
Nonsense. What did Forker do to instigate being choked... twice? a bit of goading or slabbering? Just take it for what it was. The same way I can see what Forker did last week was wrong. Or Rian too. Too many supporters put the blinkers on.
I didn't see Donnelly's hands on his throat but I did see Forker with his two arms wrapped round Mattie trying to stop him join a Tyrone attack.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 20, 2023, 03:38:48 PM
To be fair David, it means you can't call out any action ever if you try and use that line of defence. It's a case of muddying the water enough to try and introduce an element of doubt. Every single nasty stroke ever, could use the same defence, no matter how obvious it might look. Sometimes a spade is a spade.
What line of defence? You've lost me a bit
Why are we not talking about the game rather than having countless posts where everyone knows Forker punched him twice and it was cowardly. It shouldn't have happened. Fellow Armagh fans have to call out this shit for what it is just accept it happened and move on. There is crap like this going on every game, doesn't matter if it is a punch to the face or a dig to the ribs, if you are intentionally punching someone and get punished then touch sh*t.
Can we go back to analysing some of the games.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2023, 03:44:32 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 20, 2023, 03:38:48 PM
To be fair David, it means you can't call out any action ever if you try and use that line of defence. It's a case of muddying the water enough to try and introduce an element of doubt. Every single nasty stroke ever, could use the same defence, no matter how obvious it might look. Sometimes a spade is a spade.
What line of defence? You've lost me a bit
Mainly this
I honestly don't accept that. To use the two most recent examples. I fully accept that my position is that Forker deliberately punches and then attempts to punch Kelly in the head. But I also accept that I can't be 100% certain of both of those things. The first video when slowed down seems to show a deliberate punch initially. However when at normal speed I can't be certain that Forker isn't making some kind of bad attempt on the ball. There's also sudden head movement which I would have expected. So there clearly is credible evidence for an alternative point of view. You could argue that against 100% of actions no matter how clear.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 20, 2023, 03:50:18 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2023, 03:44:32 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 20, 2023, 03:38:48 PM
To be fair David, it means you can't call out any action ever if you try and use that line of defence. It's a case of muddying the water enough to try and introduce an element of doubt. Every single nasty stroke ever, could use the same defence, no matter how obvious it might look. Sometimes a spade is a spade.
What line of defence? You've lost me a bit
Mainly this
I honestly don't accept that. To use the two most recent examples. I fully accept that my position is that Forker deliberately punches and then attempts to punch Kelly in the head. But I also accept that I can't be 100% certain of both of those things. The first video when slowed down seems to show a deliberate punch initially. However when at normal speed I can't be certain that Forker isn't making some kind of bad attempt on the ball. There's also sudden head movement which I would have expected. So there clearly is credible evidence for an alternative point of view.
You could argue that against 100% of actions no matter how clear.
Fair enough. Maybe I didn't explain myself well enough. I'm not defending Forker I think when considered in the round he punched twice. I think he should be punished for it and it was stupid. I don't expect he will be punished and excuses such as quality of the footage and other incidents going unpunished will be made.
That said I do accept that others may have a different point of view and I do accept there are arguably things that ought to be explained/aren't clear in the footage but I'd happily debate those points with any poster whose opinion on whether or not he struck was different to mine.
All that said I have an issue with posters who stifle the debate on that and resort to personal attacks for whatever reason. Clearly I'm in the minority in believing this was a discussion board. I'll leave it to those who wish to banter over attendances figures and the like.
I'll say no more.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2023, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 20, 2023, 12:57:29 PM
Do Galway have anyone who would be considered a dirty player? They are developing a wee bit more cynicism but no one stands out.
There's no Galway or Kerry players who I would consider a dirty player.
You don't watch Kerry that much then
They are extremely cynical and have always been
But given they aren't northern it's not flagged up.
Quote from: naka on June 20, 2023, 05:25:52 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2023, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 20, 2023, 12:57:29 PM
Do Galway have anyone who would be considered a dirty player? They are developing a wee bit more cynicism but no one stands out.
There's no Galway or Kerry players who I would consider a dirty player.
You don't watch Kerry that much then
They are extremely cynical and have always been
But given they aren't northern it's not flagged up.
Cynical fouling to prevent a quick attack, yes, but by dirty I presume he means sly punches to the head, eye-gouging, dropping a knee onto someone on the ground's head, ....
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2023, 03:57:05 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 20, 2023, 03:50:18 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2023, 03:44:32 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 20, 2023, 03:38:48 PM
To be fair David, it means you can't call out any action ever if you try and use that line of defence. It's a case of muddying the water enough to try and introduce an element of doubt. Every single nasty stroke ever, could use the same defence, no matter how obvious it might look. Sometimes a spade is a spade.
What line of defence? You've lost me a bit
Mainly this
I honestly don't accept that. To use the two most recent examples. I fully accept that my position is that Forker deliberately punches and then attempts to punch Kelly in the head. But I also accept that I can't be 100% certain of both of those things. The first video when slowed down seems to show a deliberate punch initially. However when at normal speed I can't be certain that Forker isn't making some kind of bad attempt on the ball. There's also sudden head movement which I would have expected. So there clearly is credible evidence for an alternative point of view.
You could argue that against 100% of actions no matter how clear.
Fair enough. Maybe I didn't explain myself well enough. I'm not defending Forker I think when considered in the round he punched twice. I think he should be punished for it and it was stupid. I don't expect he will be punished and excuses such as quality of the footage and other incidents going unpunished will be made.
That said I do accept that others may have a different point of view and I do accept there are arguably things that ought to be explained/aren't clear in the footage but I'd happily debate those points with any poster whose opinion on whether or not he struck was different to mine.
All that said I have an issue with posters who stifle the debate on that and resort to personal attacks for whatever reason. Clearly I'm in the minority in believing this was a discussion board. I'll leave it to those who wish to banter over attendances figures and the like.
I'll say no more.
You are so interesting between the law and Armagh. The law has precedent and is clear . The GAA doesn't always and is not. You can't make up the law but you can handcraft GAA rules.
The law cannot be discussed but GAA punches can.
As I said Kerry are as apt to drop knees, nip ,etc and have always been for as long as I remember
Cathal o Rourke being taken out in 2000
Kennelly in the all Ireland final throw in against cork to name two that aren't even recent
Undoubtedly as cynical as anyone and fair play they know how to
Win
As gaelic football has become a much less physical sport with players told to avoid taking the ball into contact, there is less room for those types of players. Most inter county players now are lean, athletic and are comfortable playing anywhere on the pitch. There is much less room for the enforcers of the past whose sole job was to stop the opponent. There are a lot of defenders from 10-20 years ago who would be out of place if asked to play the modern game as a result of this. I can't think of very many genuine hard men (dirty players) left playing the game at the top level.
Its the niggly arsehole defenders who don't even look at the ball or play with their heads up that get me, nipping , pulling and dragging players, slabbering and so on. I generally warn them to be not at it and remember one getting a belt in the mouth and had the cheek to come to me complaining.
He was told very quickly that he had it coming
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2023, 02:28:49 PM
Its the niggly arsehole defenders who don't even look at the ball or play with their heads up that get me, nipping , pulling and dragging players, slabbering and so on. I generally warn them to be not at it and remember one getting a belt in the mouth and had the cheek to come to me complaining.
He was told very quickly that he had it coming
Whoa, hang on, hold the boat, the poor defender was only saying "Elephant juice" to the forward, lol.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 21, 2023, 02:05:34 PM
As gaelic football has become a much less physical sport with players told to avoid taking the ball into contact, there is less room for those types of players. Most inter county players now are lean, athletic and are comfortable playing anywhere on the pitch. There is much less room for the enforcers of the past whose sole job was to stop the opponent. There are a lot of defenders from 10-20 years ago who would be out of place if asked to play the modern game as a result of this. I can't think of very many genuine hard men (dirty players) left playing the game at the top level.
Can barely get away with a good clean shoulder hit these days.
Quote from: naka on June 21, 2023, 01:46:46 PM
As I said Kerry are as apt to drop knees, nip ,etc and have always been for as long as I remember
Cathal o Rourke being taken out in 2000
Kennelly in the all Ireland final throw in against cork to name two that aren't even recent
Undoubtedly as cynical as anyone and fair play they know how to
Win
Cathal O'Rourke who's main job that day in 2000 (admitted by Oisín McConville) was to take out Darragh O'Sé? Yeah jog on..
And name one example of a Kerry player dropping their knees on a player?
Plenty over the line stuff goes on and Kerry have plenty of players who have transgressed. Paul Galvin, Aidan O'Mahony etc. But there's no need to just make stuff up.
Cathal o Rourke was excellent in the first drawn game
Was taken out in the replay
Can we agree on this at least , if you recall your player was booked then substituted.
If you note I haven't named any names apart from Kennelly who acknowledged what he did so won't be.
Let's agree to differ .
Quote from: naka on June 21, 2023, 05:00:20 PM
Cathal o Rourke was excellent in the first drawn game
Was taken out in the replay
Can we agree on this at least , if you recall your player was booked then substituted.
If you note I haven't named any names apart from Kennelly who acknowledged what he did so won't be.
Let's agree to differ .
You are right. As the referee threw the ball in at the start of the game O'Shea punched O'Rourke in a very sore area. He struggled until taken off. If I remember rightly O'Shea got booked in All Ireland final for an off the ball hit too.
As for Kerry in general. The 2006 quarter final first 20 minutes of second half v Armagh was a rough a display as I have seen from any county.
Kerry can be rough alright. You don't be as successful as they have been without but I can't remember any of their players dripping knees on anyone
Quote from: Solo_run on June 21, 2023, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 21, 2023, 02:05:34 PM
As gaelic football has become a much less physical sport with players told to avoid taking the ball into contact, there is less room for those types of players. Most inter county players now are lean, athletic and are comfortable playing anywhere on the pitch. There is much less room for the enforcers of the past whose sole job was to stop the opponent. There are a lot of defenders from 10-20 years ago who would be out of place if asked to play the modern game as a result of this. I can't think of very many genuine hard men (dirty players) left playing the game at the top level.
Can barely get away with a good clean shoulder hit these days.
This frustrates the life out of me.
It's fine in hurling to put a shoulder in, but in football it 99% a free!
Quote from: naka on June 21, 2023, 01:46:46 PM
As I said Kerry are as apt to drop knees, nip ,etc and have always been for as long as I remember
Cathal o Rourke being taken out in 2000
Kennelly in the all Ireland final throw in against cork to name two that aren't even recent
Undoubtedly as cynical as anyone and fair play they know how to
Win
That shrinking violet ;D
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 22, 2023, 12:11:11 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on June 21, 2023, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 21, 2023, 02:05:34 PM
As gaelic football has become a much less physical sport with players told to avoid taking the ball into contact, there is less room for those types of players. Most inter county players now are lean, athletic and are comfortable playing anywhere on the pitch. There is much less room for the enforcers of the past whose sole job was to stop the opponent. There are a lot of defenders from 10-20 years ago who would be out of place if asked to play the modern game as a result of this. I can't think of very many genuine hard men (dirty players) left playing the game at the top level.
Can barely get away with a good clean shoulder hit these days.
This frustrates the life out of me.
It's fine in hurling to put a shoulder in, but in football it 99% a free!
Its the position of the shoulder that makes the free or not..
I've been guilty of calling a hefty shoulder a free in the past, and its a split second call, most ya get right but there is nothing better in a game when a shoulder goes in and puts them on their arse!!
Quote from: naka on June 21, 2023, 01:46:46 PM
As I said Kerry are as apt to drop knees, nip ,etc and have always been for as long as I remember
Cathal o Rourke being taken out in 2000
Kennelly in the all Ireland final throw in against cork to name two that aren't even recent
Undoubtedly as cynical as anyone and fair play they know how to
Win
You must think this Kerry team are very clean that you're going back 14 years and 23 years to a completely different generation of players for examples. Are you sure you're not missing some incident from the 1953 All-Ireland final as well?
Contrast that to Armagh where in the last 12 months alone, you've eye-gouging, dropping the knee on a head and hitting a player on the ground's head twice.
This current Armagh team are a filthy team commiting thugish acts, and no amount of whataboutery changes that fact.
Quote from: naka on June 21, 2023, 05:00:20 PM
Cathal o Rourke was excellent in the first drawn game
Was taken out in the replay
Can we agree on this at least , if you recall your player was booked then substituted.
If you note I haven't named any names apart from Kennelly who acknowledged what he did so won't be.
Let's agree to differ .
Eh no, we're not going to agree..you said "Kerry are apt to drop the knees"...
Give me one example of that happening or else admit you were making it up or talking sh*t.