This will be the 5th championship meeting between the two
1956 All-Ireland semi final
Galway 0-8 Tyrone 0-6
1986 All-Ireland semi final
Tyrone 1-12 Galway 1-9
1995 All-Ireland semi final
Tyrone 1-13 Galway 0-14
2004 round 3 Qualifier
Tyrone 1-16 Galway 0-11
Odds for this game
Galway 8/15
Tyrone 9/4
Draw 9/1
Tyrone had a nice long break to get organised
Draw 9/1 is tempting
Any pubs in Salthill have GaaGo? Pucan in town the only place I know that has it for sure
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 06:01:48 PM
Tyrone had a nice long break to get organised
Can Tyrone get organised especially defensively is the main question. Last two championship matches last year they conceded 1-18 and 1-16 to Derry,Armagh. Their one championship match this year they conceded 2-17 to Monaghan.
Quote from: galwayman on May 17, 2023, 07:03:02 PM
Any pubs in Salthill have GaaGo? Pucan in town the only place I know that has it for sure
Rob Finnerty's oul fella will surely have it set up.
Whoever's organizing has put all tickets as general admission, meaning actual normal football fans who'd like to watch another big game beforehand are probably screwed for a seat in the stand.
This somewhat new practice of GAA fans heading into games 90 mins + before throw in is odd behavior at best and a scourge at worst. Toddlers/pensioners etc aside
Quote from: Manning18 on May 17, 2023, 08:07:16 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 17, 2023, 07:03:02 PM
Any pubs in Salthill have GaaGo? Pucan in town the only place I know that has it for sure
Rob Finnerty's oul fella will surely have it set up.
Whoever's organizing has put all tickets as general admission, meaning actual normal football fans who'd like to watch another big game beforehand are probably screwed for a seat in the stand.
This somewhat new practice of GAA fans heading into games 90 mins + before throw in is odd behavior at best and a scourge at worst. Toddlers/pensioners etc aside
Yeah Wards was my first thought. They don't seem to have a social media presence though.
Worst case will stream it on the phone
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 17, 2023, 05:59:19 PM
This will be the 5th championship meeting between the two
1956 All-Ireland semi final
Galway 0-8 Tyrone 0-6
1986 All-Ireland semi final
Tyrone 1-12 Galway 1-9
1995 All-Ireland semi final
Tyrone 1-13 Galway 0-14
2004 round 3 Qualifier
Tyrone 1-16 Galway 0-11
Odds for this game
Galway 8/15
Tyrone 9/4
Draw 9/1
I am just admiring these massive scores from back in the day, when teams were all out attacking, and every game was a shootout by the most skilful of players, playing in the latter stages of the competition.
We never see scorelines like that anymore.
I think the winners of All Ireland will be one of the teams that tops their group so this is a massive game for Galway and Tyrone, the loser of this match has slim to none chance of getting that number one position in Group 2 with a really tough match against Armagh to come without points on the board.
Can't say that it's a match I'm looking forward to, would have plenty of trepidation about Tyrone and we could have got an easier team from pot 3 for sure. Have immense respect for what Tyrone have achieved since 2003 in becoming one of the consistent football counties at the very top, have been far better than Galway and we are trying to get up to that level now. Hard to believe we haven't played championship at some point since we were thumped in CP for John O'Mahony's last game as manager. That Galway team were yesterday's men at that stage but I'd say few of us leaving the stadium that day realised how far down the tubes Galway football was going to go for the next ten plus years.
Even when Galway have not been great, they have managed to hang in games this year. League final and to a lesser extent the round 3 match against Roscommon have been the only real concerning performances where there was little positive to take from it.
This Saturday is all about the players performing and showing up, Comer and Tierney have carried the scoring load in championship to date, would be good to see someone else join the party with a heavy scoring return against Tyrone, ideally in tandem with one or both of those lads hitting a good total as well.
Galway defence will get a right test, have been playing well but some quality players up front for Tyrone, I thought they were outstanding for the first half against Monaghan, don't want to see them playing similarly well in this match.
Hopefully Galway can dog out a win, I think we have a few lads there now that are plenty fit to go into the trenches if needs be and I think it might, wasn't always been the case. This is a serious game against players that have the Celtic Cross in the back pocket, can Galway step up another level from championship performances to date is the question, I don't doubt Tyrone are going to come with a big showing.
Tyrone are shipping huge scores and Galway have serious fire power. The head can only see one winner here. Galway by 6
Heart maybe ruling the head but Tyrone by 2. 5 weeks hard training done in Garvaghy coming in under the radar a bit. Though someone on the Tyrone thread said Canavan is carrying an injury so if he's out that'll be a big blow.
There was rumour of a feisty challenge game v Mayo recently has anybody heard anything else about this??
I think Rouse mentioned it on the Examiner podcast.
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2023, 09:33:25 PM
There was rumour of a feisty challenge game v Mayo recently has anybody heard anything else about this??
I think Rouse mentioned it on the Examiner podcast.
Heard Mayo gave Tyrone a bit of trimming and Tyrone didn't take it too kindly with rows breaking out on a number of occasions.
I remember 95. We were excited after winning Connacht for the first time in a while and getting past Mayo but Tyrone had a player called Canavan who was the real deal. In reality we didn't have the full set of footballers and had to wait another 3 years to get it. Tyrone were deserving winners of the semi but got a raw deal in the final as the ref gave the Dubs the football equivalent of a sympathy f**k following serial all Ireland final defeats and Tyrone had to wait another 8 years for Sam.
Couple of Tyrone boys in work very confident, I have no idea why, I think Galway will win the AI and will hopefully start out by giving Tyrone a hiding.
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 09:58:09 PM
I remember 95. We were excited after winning Connacht for the first time in a while and getting past Mayo but Tyrone had a player called Canavan who was the real deal. In reality we didn't have the full set of footballers and had to wait another 3 years to get it. Tyrone were deserving winners of the semi but got a raw deal in the final as the ref gave the Dubs the football equivalent of a sympathy f**k following serial all Ireland final defeats and Tyrone had to wait another 8 years for Sam.
That's basically how Peter Canavan described it at an event last week. Not in so many words.
People forget Tyrone scored 2 from play over 70mins in that game.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2023, 11:04:05 PM
People forget Tyrone scored 2 from play over 70mins in that game.
Do points from frees not count the same?
Quote from: square_ball on May 17, 2023, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2023, 11:04:05 PM
People forget Tyrone scored 2 from play over 70mins in that game.
Do points from frees not count the same?
Yeah, I always think it's an idiotic stat to rely on, the scores have come from frees because an attacker has been fouled in the scoring zone.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2023, 11:04:05 PM
People forget Tyrone scored 2 from play over 70mins in that game.
They also forget Tyrone were completely average with only about 3 good players!
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 17, 2023, 09:51:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2023, 09:33:25 PM
There was rumour of a feisty challenge game v Mayo recently has anybody heard anything else about this??
I think Rouse mentioned it on the Examiner podcast.
Heard Mayo gave Tyrone a bit of trimming and Tyrone didn't take it too kindly with rows breaking out on a number of occasions.
Different from what I heard. Was a close game by all accounts.
There were 2 challenge games. "A" teams and "B" teams, Tyrone won both but may have picked up an injury or two.
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2023, 11:23:09 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2023, 11:04:05 PM
People forget Tyrone scored 2 from play over 70mins in that game.
They also forget Tyrone were completely average with only about 3 good players!
Average enough to beat the best Derry team you ever had with 13 men ;)
The greatest game ever
Quote from: Manning18 on May 17, 2023, 08:07:16 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 17, 2023, 07:03:02 PM
Any pubs in Salthill have GaaGo? Pucan in town the only place I know that has it for sure
Rob Finnerty's oul fella will surely have it set up.
Whoever's organizing has put all tickets as general admission, meaning actual normal football fans who'd like to watch another big game beforehand are probably screwed for a seat in the stand.
This somewhat new practice of GAA fans heading into games 90 mins + before throw in is odd behavior at best and a scourge at worst. Toddlers/pensioners etc aside
I assume there is no where near the ground and any chance will be in Salthill itself of getting the Mayo Kerry game?
No chance of getting enough coverage at the ground to stream it you'd imagine. Annoying that with unreserved seating you have to be in so early with a game like that on before hand. What sort of crowd would you expect on Saturday? 10-12,000 kinda thing?
Hoping the break has did Tyrone good and they've regrouped and worked on putting the defence together. I don't think we're as far of it as some people think but will be a big ask going to Galway and turning them over.
Quote from: Rois on May 17, 2023, 10:50:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 09:58:09 PM
I remember 95. We were excited after winning Connacht for the first time in a while and getting past Mayo but Tyrone had a player called Canavan who was the real deal. In reality we didn't have the full set of footballers and had to wait another 3 years to get it. Tyrone were deserving winners of the semi but got a raw deal in the final as the ref gave the Dubs the football equivalent of a sympathy f**k following serial all Ireland final defeats and Tyrone had to wait another 8 years for Sam.
That's basically how Peter Canavan described it at an event last week. Not in so many words.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-s-success-gives-feargal-logan-relief-from-the-pain-of-1995-1.4671866
Tyrone's success gives Feargal Logan relief from the pain of 1995
Saturday's win was particularly sweet for Tyrone's joint-manager after past experience
Malachy Clerkin
For a second on Saturday night, Feargal Logan looked as if he was going to fish out his phone and start reading from it.
One of the questions we asked him was , given that he had had such a grim experience in the one All-Ireland final he played in – 1995, the Dubs, the last-gasp disallowed point, etc – whether or not this meant more to him than it did to his co-manager Brian Dooher.
Dooher was sitting beside him, by the way. And judging by the half-harrumph, half-smirk he gave when he heard the question, we were all lucky that Tyrone had actually won the thing. You take your life in your hands when you suggest that winning an All-Ireland means more to anybody than it does to Brian Dooher.
Logan is, above and beyond everything else, however, his own man. And rather than bat the question away, his bearing visibly sagged ever so slightly as he began to answer. That 1995 final could have been the greatest day of his life and only the tiniest margin – a referee seeing a ball picked up off the ground when it had in fact bounced up – ruined it on him.
And now, 26 years later, even the glow of finally getting up the Hogan steps, even then he couldn't be blithe about what that defeat had meant. Not just for him but for the Tyrone team around him that day. Some of them, as Peter Canavan outlined in these pages on Saturday, got to slay the demons in the 2000s. But most of them didn't. Tiny margins, big consequences.
"In the immortal words of Páidí Ó Sé, a grain of rice tips the balance," Logan said. "That's what you live or die by in football. You can be very sore as a manager when you go home and that grain of rice tips against you. It was small margins today but probably the goals set us up. Goals win matches and we were lucky to get them. They worked and our midfield were outstanding.
"It probably does [mean more to me], in truth. There's no getting away from the fact that 1995 was a very, very painful day for Tyrone. And in particular for the lads, the '95 lads who I ran with back in the day and still would run with. I took all their names in my phone here and I'd love to give them all a shout out.
"I'd love to see them printed tomorrow to say, 'Listen lads, that's one that got away.' We partly redeemed it here. We didn't redeem it as players but in my mind anyway this is somewhat of a redemption."
He did go rummaging in his pocket for a second but didn't actually take out his phone and start listing off names. So what the hell, let's do it for him anyway. Finbar McConnell. Paul Devlin. Fay Devlin. Ronan McGarrity. Séamus McCallan. Seán McLaughlin. Jody Gormley. Ciarán Corr. Pascal Canavan. Ciarán Loughran. Ciarán McBride. Stephen Lawn. Mattie McGleenan. Brian Gormley. Paul Donnelly. Chris Lawn and Peter Canavan were there too but they got their medals eventually.
Logan was talking about the others, members of that small circle of GAA players from down the decades who got their one shot at glory and didn't take it. Most players never get to a final. Half that do go home as made men for life. The other half carry with them heads filled with regrets. For some it dissipates. For others, it's that small shadow on the X-ray of their life. Always there, always black, never benign.
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2023, 11:23:09 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2023, 11:04:05 PM
People forget Tyrone scored 2 from play over 70mins in that game.
They also forget Tyrone were completely average with only about 3 good players!
It wasn't in the same class as the Tyrone side of the following decade but very few teams were. "Completely average with only about 3 good players" is though of course a ridiculous statement. Most of those men had been outstanding u21 players. They won back to back Ulsters at a time when the province was exceptionally competitive (and coming off 4 AIs in a row). It must be said that they didn't perform well enough in the AI semi or final. That said, had Cush and McGleenan been fit for the final the attacking options would have been much stronger and Tyrone would likely have won. Similary the 96 team with Cavlan and Dooher was another step up - but so were Meath. For all that, Tyrone still only lost by a point in controversial circumstances. They can't have been too bad ;D. As a pedant too I must say, it was 1-13 to 0-13 against Galway and not 0-14.
Have no idea what to expect Saturday with Tyrone having a stop start season and no real pattern of form since 2021. There were flashes in the league and indeed a positive first half against Monaghan but a lot of poor enough showings too. Not beyond them to turn it around but as it stands it's hard to be overly optimistic. Dooher and Logan certainly need a good couple of months to show they are the men to take the team on, if that's what they want to do.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 17, 2023, 09:51:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2023, 09:33:25 PM
There was rumour of a feisty challenge game v Mayo recently has anybody heard anything else about this??
I think Rouse mentioned it on the Examiner podcast.
Heard Mayo gave Tyrone a bit of trimming and Tyrone didn't take it too kindly with rows breaking out on a number of occasions.
Also heard Kildare gave a full strength Mayo a going over. Gaago should be showing these challenge matches. Do all teams do them?are they built on relationships of management teams?
I'm quietly confident about Tyrone. Think they will turn Galway over.
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 10:54:36 AM
I'm quietly confident about Tyrone. Think they will turn Galway over.
Sssh!.... Some on here think we're the 2022 model, and not of the 2021 vintage! ;)
Tyrone are 15/1 for the all Ireland
Quite a tempting price.
I was looking at EPL relegation prices. Everton (17th place) at 3/1 are 1 point ahead of Leeds (18th place) at 2/5.
Pricing doesn't look forward. Tyrone are priced based on last year and the early league.
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2023, 08:24:18 AM
[Feargal Logan]:
"It probably does [mean more to me], in truth. There's no getting away from the fact that 1995 was a very, very painful day for Tyrone."
It was no coincidence that Club Tyrone spun out of the 1995/1996 experience.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 18, 2023, 10:59:10 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 10:54:36 AM
I'm quietly confident about Tyrone. Think they will turn Galway over.
Sssh!.... Some on here think we're the 2022 model, and not of the 2021 vintage! ;)
No one in Galway is underestimating Tyrone, you can believe that.
Personally I think Galway are in the top 3 in the country.
In with a real shot of winning the AI and have been consistently improving.
Tyrone on the otherhand, have been stuttering and really could get beaten by anyone on any given day but still always have that big game in them.
I think Galway will be too far ahead for them, they have the momentum, home advantage and I believe a better management.
Mattie Donnelly and Canavan will be man marked and Galway will play a massed defence. They have arguably the best attacking full back in the country and Comer and Walsh are two top class forwards. Though Walsh seems to be slightly out of form recently. It's difficult to see how Tyrone will get the scores tbh and I also don't see them being able to contain the Galway forward line. MF could break out even enough.
I'd say Galway by 6/7.
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2023, 11:11:12 AM
Tyrone are 15/1 for the all Ireland
Quite a tempting price.
I was looking at EPL relegation prices. Everton (17th place) at 3/1 are 1 point ahead of Leeds (18th place) at 2/5.
Pricing doesn't look forward. Tyrone are priced based on last year and the early league.
What would you price them on? The 1st half v monaghan?
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone/tyrone-will-be-keen-to-make-up-lost-ground-in-all-ireland-series-kyle-coney/729590379.html
Quote from: Mario on May 18, 2023, 12:20:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2023, 11:11:12 AM
Tyrone are 15/1 for the all Ireland
Quite a tempting price.
I was looking at EPL relegation prices. Everton (17th place) at 3/1 are 1 point ahead of Leeds (18th place) at 2/5.
Pricing doesn't look forward. Tyrone are priced based on last year and the early league.
What would you price them on? The 1st half v monaghan?
An average of 21 and 22
2003 2005 would be in the mix
Quote from: Whishtup on May 18, 2023, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 17, 2023, 09:51:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2023, 09:33:25 PM
There was rumour of a feisty challenge game v Mayo recently has anybody heard anything else about this??
I think Rouse mentioned it on the Examiner podcast.
Heard Mayo gave Tyrone a bit of trimming and Tyrone didn't take it too kindly with rows breaking out on a number of occasions.
Also heard Kildare gave a full strength Mayo a going over. Gaago should be showing these challenge matches. Do all teams do them?are they built on relationships of management teams?
Yes i heard Kildare beat Mayo by 4 or 5 points in Athlone. Already know Kildare are in decent shape having ran Dublin so close. All teams video their matches.
Always had a soft spot for Galway. Given Tyrone are unlikely to get that far, I'd love to see Galway go on and win it this year. They are rightly favourites and it all depends which Tyrone turns up. If they've been working hard on their glaring issues then they have a chance. A forward line that potentially could have The 2 Canavans, McCurry, Mattie Donnelly can cause damage to any defence. And the likes of McShsne, McGeary etc busting to prove a point in the background. Need more from the half forward line, so I'd like a bit of a re jig there.
The defence is the real issue. Plugging that 6 spot is a must. PH needs to move to the wing. I'd actually think about giving him a role on the half forwards. But whoever comes in there at 6 will be the key. If we get that right then, we've a chance. If not, then we screwed again. If we get a drubbing now after having weeks to work on a plan then it won't get any better regardless of whether we squeeze through the round robin games. Tight game, win or lose we'll still have plenty to play for.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 18, 2023, 12:04:42 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 18, 2023, 10:59:10 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 10:54:36 AM
I'm quietly confident about Tyrone. Think they will turn Galway over.
Sssh!.... Some on here think we're the 2022 model, and not of the 2021 vintage! ;)
No one in Galway is underestimating Tyrone, you can believe that.
Not aimed at your good selves, a chara, though not doubting that we have our work seriously cut out to escape from Salthill with a result.
I would settle for a good solid performance at this stage. Something to build on for the next game and to look forward to the rest of the summer with. I think we could deliver that although wouldn't turn down a victory either
Galway away stronger team, better than last year. Galway by 6/7pts.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 18, 2023, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 18, 2023, 12:04:42 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 18, 2023, 10:59:10 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2023, 10:54:36 AM
I'm quietly confident about Tyrone. Think they will turn Galway over.
Sssh!.... Some on here think we're the 2022 model, and not of the 2021 vintage! ;)
No one in Galway is underestimating Tyrone, you can believe that.
Not aimed at your good selves, a chara, though not doubting that we have our work seriously cut out to escape from Salthill with a result.
It will be harder to get out in a car
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Quote from: Manning18 on May 17, 2023, 08:07:16 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 17, 2023, 07:03:02 PM
Any pubs in Salthill have GaaGo? Pucan in town the only place I know that has it for sure
Rob Finnerty's oul fella will surely have it set up.
Whoever's organizing has put all tickets as general admission, meaning actual normal football fans who'd like to watch another big game beforehand are probably screwed for a seat in the stand.
This somewhat new practice of GAA fans heading into games 90 mins + before throw in is odd behavior at best and a scourge at worst. Toddlers/pensioners etc aside
I assume there is no where near the ground and any chance will be in Salthill itself of getting the Mayo Kerry game?
No chance of getting enough coverage at the ground to stream it you'd imagine. Annoying that with unreserved seating you have to be in so early with a game like that on before hand. What sort of crowd would you expect on Saturday? 10-12,000 kinda thing?
Hoping the break has did Tyrone good and they've regrouped and worked on putting the defence together. I don't think we're as far of it as some people think but will be a big ask going to Galway and turning them over.
Very good chance Wards hotel or PJ Finnerty's on Salthill RD lower will have it. Reasonable chance some of the pubs in Salthill village itself will have it. Stadiums about a 7 min walk from all the above.
Mobile data is good around that area generally but up to your own circumstances obviously. I'd say 12k is a good estimate
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fwbsu0CXoAYQiis?format=jpg&name=medium)
Strong looking team.
Home advantage.
Tyrone huge underdogs.
When have Galway last lost at home?
Derry for Sam 😉
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2023, 10:32:59 PM
Strong looking team.
Home advantage.
Tyrone huge underdogs.
When have Galway last lost at home?
Derry for Sam 😉
Lost to Roscommon in February. Last championship defeat in Salthill was to Mayo the 2020 Connacht final, last time they lost with a crowd in attendance was the year before against Roscommon in another Connacht final.
2021 shows you can never write Tyrone off.
But there's a gaping hole right down the middle of the Tyrone defence that you can't ignore.
No chance we are beating that Galway team.
Who would have thought five or six years ago that we would be more wide open than Galway were.
Who could we bring in to improve develop our defensive system? 🤔
Quote from: sensini on May 18, 2023, 11:35:59 PM
Galway are overrated. Usually shite the nest in Croke Park and don't have quality forwards outside of Walsh/Comer. How many of the other forwards would make current mayo team.
I'm guessing you are joking here.
Tierney, Finnarty Burke and Cooke are super players.
Heaney too
I'm not sure were this Tyrone optimism is coming from. 1 championship win in 2 years. Beat by Monaghan who Derry strolled past. Galway by 5
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2023, 07:21:04 AM
I'm not sure were this Tyrone optimism is coming from. 1 championship win in 2 years. Beat by Monaghan who Derry strolled past. Galway by 5
Because we've been there or there abouts consistently for an over a decade. Strong players coming into the team from a strong U20 team. Only 2 years away from our last AI with. That's no guarantee that we are going to do well. We were poor last year and poor against Monaghan. But stayed up while teams like Armagh went down.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/19/conor-meyler-and-tyrone-raring-to-go-again-as-all-ireland-group-stages-get-under-way/
Conor Meyler and Tyrone raring to go again as All-Ireland group stages get under way
Ulster side head to Salthill on Saturday to take on Galway in the opening round of matches
Ian O'Riordan
Thu May 18 2023 - 15:00
It wouldn't be a proper round-robin knock-out competition without some sort of group of death, and as the senior football championship enters that new ground this weekend, the honour is generally perceived to have fallen to Group Two.
Featuring Connacht champions Galway, beaten Ulster finalists Armagh, 2021 All-Ireland winners Tyrone, plus last year's Tailteann Cup winners Westmeath, there is unquestionably some hard football to be played, even if in the end only one of the four will end up being given their last rites.
Tyrone forward Conor Meyler isn't so sure, however, pointing to Group One, which features Kerry and Mayo, both leading All-Ireland contenders, and at least they've avoided Dublin.
"The fact the top team goes straight through [to the quarter-finals] is a huge incentive," he said. "To try to win the group, rather than wait until the last day, trying to get a result against Westmeath. You wouldn't want to leave it that close."
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First up is Saturday's trip to Salthill to face Galway, a team Tyrone haven't beaten in their last three league meetings, before Armagh come to Omagh, having knocked Tyrone out in their first-round qualifier last year.
"It'll be interesting to see how it pans out now, especially in regards to next year," Meyler added. "Is there a benefit of going the whole way and winning the Ulster Championship?
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"Potentially, yes. I'd love another Ulster Championship medal but when you look at the route you have to go, for the likes of Derry or Armagh, they've had some really tough games and have to come down, reset and go again.
"That's going to be a challenge. At the same time, they are fairly battle-hardened then, they know their squad and know who to rely on in the big games. There is no question winning games and building momentum will stand to you as well. We'll soon see who it stands to and who gets it right."
Five weeks on from their surprise Ulster quarter-final loss to Monaghan, Tyrone set off again as so-called backdoor specialists, winning two of their All-Ireland titles through the qualifier route (2005 and 2008). After Ulster championship exits in 2013, 2015 and 2019, they also reached All-Ireland semi-finals, and the final in 2018.
What is at least certain for Meyler is that Tyrone are aiming to go a lot better than last year, their All-Ireland defence quickly unravelled after an Ulster quarter-final loss to Derry, then that qualifier loss to Armagh.
"First of all I've a lot of admiration for teams that do go back-to-back, it's a seriously impressive feat to be able to do that. We struggled, I think when you look back now, with a lot of small things, rather than one big thing.
"Our club season ran on until the middle of December, which in hindsight, meant you didn't really get a pre-season, and there was no real switch off after the All-Ireland period. We sort of went straight from the All-Ireland, I remember playing a club game the week after. It was full-on at it, and no period of reflection, or being able to enjoy it, to come down again.
"We finished up with the club season, went on a team holiday, came back on the Tuesday, maybe played a McKenna Cup on the Wednesday. So I'd say from the get-go we were maybe chasing our tail, which was tough.
"We'd done enough to stay in Division One, which was brilliant, then obviously had a tough draw in the championship. Still I feel if we had got any sort of luck there, had progressed a bit further, we would have picked up a bit of momentum and maybe things wouldn't have been as doom and gloom as people perceived. Because we were on an upward trajectory, just came across Armagh when they were going well. So all that probably sums up last year, for me."
Given how easily Monaghan were taken out by Derry, before Derry went on to win last Sunday's Ulster final after a penalty shoot-out, Tyrone might appear to some to be even further behind in the Ulster rankings. Again Meyler is not so sure.
"To be honest. I still think this year, more than any year, the All-Ireland is so open. Most teams will be looking at that and thinking teams can beat each other.
"We had what we had with Dublin, a number of years ago, where they were dominant and there was a fear factor with them as well. They were that standout team. At the moment, I don't think we have that, although Derry are on an upward trajectory and I'm really impressed by them. If we were to draw them down the line, I wouldn't be fearful either.
"You learn to move on and I'd like to think we're going to get more chances with the new format. I don't know how it's going to go, but I'm excited by it. We were going out to win the Ulster championship, on reflection maybe the couple of weeks there has stood to us, a really hard training bank, so trying to take positives anyway."
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Galway are overrated. Usually shite the nest in Croke Park and don't have quality forwards outside of Walsh/Comer. How many of the other forwards would make current mayo team.
I'm guessing you are joking here.
Tierney, Finnarty Burke and Cooke are super players.
Heaney too
Don't remember of them scoring heavily in croke Park in championship. Mayo forwards more proven.
Galway forwards have a hell of a lot to prove on the biggest days yet, absolutely no disagreement there. The lack of scoring support outside of Walsh and McDaid cost Galway an All Ireland last July.
Outside of Cillian O'Connor and O'Donoghue not sure there are any proven heavy scorers in Mayo though, Conroy is still just potential for the moment no more than some of the Galway forwards. Who am I forgetting here?
Tyrone have no fear of Galway and will turn up expecting to win, Tyrone thrive on been written off.
Huge game for Galway but this is the one group where the team who comes out on top could lose a game, clearly no guarantee the winner of tomorrow will beat Armagh.
Not convinced by the balance of the team picked with McDaid at wing back, lets see if that team materialises.
Looking forward to the game, just hope we get a performance out of Galway.
I think you can only judge this game on form this year, and on form Galway will win by 5/6 I feel.
There is always that doubt about Tyrone putting in a big shift, such as KErry in the league. If they pull a performance like that together, it's anyones game.
So it's an exciting prospect in that regard.
That looks like a strong Galway side.
Quote from: ONeill on May 18, 2023, 11:18:27 PM
2021 shows you can never write Tyrone off.
But there's a gaping hole right down the middle of the Tyrone defence that you can't ignore.
2021 was the culmination of a long period of Tyrone knocking at the door. There is no jeopardy so the next day doesn't matter.
I expect Tyrone to be there for the endgame.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 19, 2023, 09:51:39 AM
Tyrone have no fear of Galway and will turn up expecting to win, Tyrone thrive on been written off.
Huge game for Galway but this is the one group where the team who comes out on top could lose a game, clearly no guarantee the winner of tomorrow will beat Armagh.
Not convinced by the balance of the team picked with McDaid at wing back, lets see if that team materialises.
Looking forward to the game, just hope we get a performance out of Galway.
Isn't that his natural position?
Tyrone with one change from the 2-17 to 1-18 loss to Monaghan. Kieran McGeary going out and Joe Oguz coming in.
Niall Morgan
Michael McKernan
Ronan McNamee
Pádraig Hampsey
Conor Meyler;
Cormac Quinn
Peter Harte
Brian Kennedy
Conn Kilpatrick;
Frank Burns
Michael O'Neill
Joe Oguz
Darren McCurry
Mattie Donnelly
Darragh Canavan
In God (and his kin) we trust...
Galway won the league game comfortably and will probably repeat that.
Quote from: The Trap on May 19, 2023, 03:32:02 PM
Galway won the league game comfortably and will probably repeat that.
2021 Allianz Football League Division 1 Semi-Final – Kerry 6-15 Tyrone 1-14
I have a bad feeling about this game.
Quote from: The Trap on May 19, 2023, 03:32:02 PM
Galway won the league game comfortably and will probably repeat that.
Galway won 0-16 to 0-13.
Four changes for Tyrone since that match with Cormac Munroe,Niall Devlin,Niall Sludden and McShane out and in Ronan McNamee,Michael O'Neill,Joe Oguz,Mattie Donnelly in
Galway team shows also four changes Out E Kelly,D O'Flaherty,P Kelly,E Finnerty and In J McGrath,J Maher,D Comer and S Walsh
Quote from: The Trap on May 19, 2023, 03:32:02 PM
Galway won the league game comfortably and will probably repeat that.
Of no relevance to tomorrow whatsoever. Weather conditions, team selections, collective fitness etc. all in a completely different place.
Quote from: galwayman on May 19, 2023, 03:57:53 PM
I have a bad feeling about this game.
I would have severe trepidation about it myself but if Galway want to be considered actual AI contenders they need to show up and win.
Quote from: galwayman on May 19, 2023, 03:57:53 PM
I have a bad feeling about this game.
You're being talked about as genuine All Ireland contenders, if you can't beat this current Tyrone team @ home, you're in big bother.
The problem is no one knows what to expect with Tyrone - including themselves - and after them coming out of nowhere in 2021 everyone is a bit wary of them.
I think you hit the nail on the head there imtommygunn.
We certainly rode our luck in 2021 with a lot of things going right for us.
We looked poor enough v Cavan first day out
We got lucky with Donegal losing their best defender McGee and then Murphy
We looked very good in the first half v Monaghan in the Ulster final and then nearly let them catch us in the second half
We put up a huge fight v Kerry with a total siege mentality but had Clifford not got injured and went off I don't think we could have held on
But then we put in a very professional performance in the final and showed we know how to win big games in Croker.
So yet again we are a very up and down sort of side who could be brilliant one day like in the league v Kerry having gone 6 points down early on to a side totally useless v Mayo.
I think with the loss of McKenna, loss of form for McShane and McGeary we have gone backwards although Canavan and McCurry seem to have set up a good partnership up front if they can just get the space to breathe.
It's a long time since we have won in Galway but ye never know what Tyrone will show up.
The Derry and Armagh lads seem to have taken over as the two best teams in Ulster now so Tyrone should rightfully know their place now and stay away from the new big boys in town 8)
Tyrone didn't come out of nowhere in 2021.
They were in 5 semi finals between 2013 and 2019. They got to the final in 2018.
If Dublin hadn't been funded by the GAA to win 6 an a row, Tyrone would have won that all Ireland earlier.
As for Derry and Armagh, last year wasn't very encouraging.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 19, 2023, 04:44:19 PM
I think you hit the nail on the head there imtommygunn.
We certainly rode our luck in 2021 with a lot of things going right for us.
We looked poor enough v Cavan first day out
We got lucky with Donegal losing their best defender McGee and then Murphy
We looked very good in the first half v Monaghan in the Ulster final and then nearly let them catch us in the second half
We put up a huge fight v Kerry with a total siege mentality but had Clifford not got injured and went off I don't think we could have held on
But then we put in a very professional performance in the final and showed we know how to win big games in Croker.
So yet again we are a very up and down sort of side who could be brilliant one day like in the league v Kerry having gone 6 points down early on to a side totally useless v Mayo.
I think with the loss of McKenna, loss of form for McShane and McGeary we have gone backwards although Canavan and McCurry seem to have set up a good partnership up front if they can just get the space to breathe.
It's a long time since we have won in Galway but ye never know what Tyrone will show up.
The Derry and Armagh lads seem to have taken over as the two best teams in Ulster now so Tyrone should rightfully know their place now and stay away from the new big boys in town 8)
Totally forgot about him, is he hurt ? in the subs?
He was poor enough in the league in any of the game time he was given. No one seems to know if it's injury or he's that much out of form he's at least number 27 on the panel.
Quote from: galwayman on May 19, 2023, 03:57:53 PM
I have a bad feeling about this game.
Me not so much.
Quote from: galwayman on May 19, 2023, 03:57:53 PM
I have a bad feeling about this game.
We have a dodgy defence and a lack of firepower up front. Galway will win by 5/6.
Will Tyrone get 1pt outta that half forward line, poor?!
What's up with McGeary? POTY 2 years ago, now hardly making the team. In his prime.
There is an awful lot of guff spoken about Tyrone
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1659490326120132611
The 2 great mysteries of the championship are Mayo and Tyrone. Mayo are 7/1 and Tyrone are 15/1
Perhaps it should be the other way around.
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2023, 08:29:38 AM
There is an awful lot of guff spoken about Tyrone
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1659490326120132611
The 2 great mysteries of the championship are Mayo and Tyrone. Mayo are 7/1 and Tyrone are 15/1
Perhaps it should be the other way around.
David Brady talks some absolute dung. Tyrone finished 4th in the league yet are on a downward spiral.
Still laugh at his tweet the morning of the All ireland final 2021. Here it is for anyone who can't remember...
https://twitter.com/D9BMayo/status/1436563989857767427?s=20 (https://twitter.com/D9BMayo/status/1436563989857767427?s=20)
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 20, 2023, 08:48:21 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2023, 08:29:38 AM
There is an awful lot of guff spoken about Tyrone
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1659490326120132611
The 2 great mysteries of the championship are Mayo and Tyrone. Mayo are 7/1 and Tyrone are 15/1
Perhaps it should be the other way around.
David Brady talks some absolute dung. Tyrone finished 4th in the league yet are on a downward spiral.
Still laugh at his tweet the morning of the All ireland final 2021. Here it is for anyone who can't remember...
https://twitter.com/D9BMayo/status/1436563989857767427?s=20 (https://twitter.com/D9BMayo/status/1436563989857767427?s=20)
The same fella was on OTB during the week saying Westmeath have a good chance of coming out of this group.
Edit: Just see the clip posted above.
Really don't understand how media outlets are still giving airtime to David Brady.
He's a joke
Mayo were also poor last year. Kerry hammered them in the QF.
It's all about recency bias. Mayo won the league.
Kerry could hammer them again.
But Tyrone may be able to put the band back together.
I think Galway are the best of the rest when you take out Kerry and Dublin. In order to prove their credentials they should be beating Tyrone today in a home fixture and I think they will win by 4-6 points.
Yeah I think you're right and they've pushed on from their good progress last year. Before most of us outside of Connacht would have said they're very dependent on Comer and Walsh often failed to show up.
But both of them shone at different times last year and plenty others came to the fore like McDaid, Kelly, Daly, Tierney and Cooke.
Last year's good performance in the final has left these guys hungry and wanting more. OK they still haven't beat a top three team yet in the championship and this year will tell us a lot more about them.
Tyrone on the other hand have definitely gone backwards. Losing quite a lot of the squad from 2021, some of the better players losing form and maybe hunger. Playing in fits and starts.
Unless we see a big change today it's hard to see a Tyrone win away to last year's runners up. Stranger things have happened though and Tyrone in summer are very different to Winter football.
Middle third players need to kick more scores
Cmon Tyrone, need a big performance today
24 euros for 3 GaaGo games. Might bite the bullet
Quote from: An Watcher on May 20, 2023, 02:51:37 PM
24 euros for 3 GaaGo games. Might bite the bullet
IPTV not an option?
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Tyrone on the other hand have definitely gone backwards. Losing quite a lot of the squad from 2021, some of the better players losing form and maybe hunger. Playing in fits and starts.
Unless we see a big change today it's hard to see a Tyrone win away to last year's runners up. Stranger things have happened though and Tyrone in summer (when not defending AI Champs) are very different to Winter football.
Middle third players need to kick more scores
Fixed that for you! ;)
Anyone's screen still a gaa ball?
Nope working fine for me... looks like this will be similar to last weeks game very cagey with little contact!
I am watching the game on gaago in the US. The picture quality is ok but noticably lower quality than the Liverpool Villa which I just watched also on a streaming service. For those of you watching in Ireland is the picture quality as good as other streaming services or a regular TV image?
Burns should have tapped that over the bar instead of trying to kick a goal through 3/4 players.
Morgan with a dodgy kickout nearly letting Galway in for a goal.
Kilpatrick levels it with a good point. 0-3 each.
McKernan with his customary dive. Needs bucked over the sideline.
McDaid is getting a lot of freedom down that wing.
If Gough is blowing these "screens" then they should be black cards!!
What an absolute tube.
f**k!!
Didn't expect that to be a red but it was a poor challenge and dangerous probably the right call!
Stupid. Stupid stupid.
No arguments against that.
Frank Burns letting his team down. Two points down and two points behind.
Burns a complete liability. Bad challenge and a deserved straight red.
Hospital pass but a Red all day.
He shouldn't be starting.
This could be a long game.
Horrible challenge by burns. Not sure why Galway are getting away with off the ball challenges.
For a team that won an All Ireland there's a few brain dead eejits on that team!!
Morgan black card for more Tyrone mi adh
Gough is losing control of this.
Discipline away to feck. Logan and Dooher need to sort things out. They don't seem to have worked on defending over the 6 weeks anyway.
Gough doing his best to shaft tyrone. Won't give a black card for 3rd man tackles but happy to give it for back chat
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2023, 05:45:01 PM
Gough doing his best to shaft tyrone. Won't give a black card for 3rd man tackles but happy to give it for back chat
Or your team is full of idiotic macho men wannabes?
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Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2023, 05:45:01 PM
Gough doing his best to shaft tyrone. Won't give a black card for 3rd man tackles but happy to give it for back chat
Or your team is full of idiotic macho men wannabes?
Macho men giving back chat?
Quote from: screenexile on May 20, 2023, 05:35:53 PM
If Gough is blowing these "screens" then they should be black cards!!
Was wondering about that. Bad tackle from Burns but those have to be frustrating.
Has Peter Harte played in every area of the team for Tyrone now?
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2023, 05:46:43 PM
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Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2023, 05:45:01 PM
Gough doing his best to shaft tyrone. Won't give a black card for 3rd man tackles but happy to give it for back chat
Or your team is full of idiotic macho men wannabes?
Macho men giving back chat?
Mckernan and now matty donnelly dive. Burns stupidity. Slabbering.
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Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2023, 05:45:01 PM
Gough doing his best to shaft tyrone. Won't give a black card for 3rd man tackles but happy to give it for back chat
Or your team is full of idiotic macho men wannabes?
Macho men giving back chat?
Please don't engage.
If you ever need a team to dive about the place and kill time Tyrone won't let you down in that regard!
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Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2023, 05:45:01 PM
Gough doing his best to shaft tyrone. Won't give a black card for 3rd man tackles but happy to give it for back chat
Or your team is full of idiotic macho men wannabes?
Macho men giving back chat?
Please don't engage.
I know. Shouldn't argue with idiots
Quote from: screenexile on May 20, 2023, 05:52:04 PM
If you ever need a team to dive about the place and kill time Tyrone won't let you down in that regard!
Good news is no bites today yet.
And David Brady thinks Tyrone best team in Ulster :o :o :o
No prizes given out today lads
Burke chancing it a bit.
Tyrone lost all discipline in that half. Galway 0-7 to 0-4 in front at half time.
Tyrone have been poor. Gough not much better. At least 2 black cards for Galway ignored. Could be a rough second half.
Absolutely moronic challenge by Burns and he has let his team down badly with that. Subsequent refereeing pretty erratic as Gough lost control of things but that's hardly a great surprise and Tyrone need to be a lot smarter. Did well enough to come in only three behind but very hard to see how this can be turned around in these circumstances.
It's probably killed the game tbh.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 20, 2023, 06:03:11 PM
It's probably killed the game tbh.
Yeah game actually started fairly well. Pity.
Tyrone lose this one, them and, Armagh be a big game for, 2nd place and a better opponent in a last 12 play off.
If they don't beat armagh they could face kerry. That's assuming we beat westmeath!
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2023, 05:57:39 PM
Burke chancing it a bit.
Tyrone should be trying to engineer another yellow on him.
He would be better being subbed.
Tyrone too stop start. Don't look fluid with the ball. Galway breaking much more naturally and look much more composed on the ball.
Unfortunately it looks like damage limitation at this stage.
Galway defence very strong. Good physical defending that is sadly lacking with Tyrone.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 20, 2023, 06:07:47 PM
Tyrone lose this one, them and, Armagh be a big game for, 2nd place and a better opponent in a last 12 play off.
Not really. Just killing time till westmeath exit
Gough really is having a nightmare.
Pull back by the shorts? Black or yellow?
Some amount of cute fouls being done by Galway.
If Gough wasn't reffing Galway would be in serious trouble. They can't put away a poor 14 man tyrone team after nearly 50 mins.
Two poor outfits here, particularly Galway to date.
Still only 2 points in it
14 man Tyrone have outscored Galway in 35 odd mins of football, 10min of which they had 13men.
Tyrone are a stupid team. Free out on sideline moved in and Walsh pops it over.
53 mins played Galway 0-10 Tyrone 0-8
Quote from: clarshack on May 20, 2023, 06:32:34 PM
Tyrone are a stupid team. Free out on sideline moved in and Walsh pops it over.
Agreed it was stupid. But 3 mins later tyrone get a free and a glaway player slaps it out of his hands and it doesn't get moved forward. Can't make it up
If we'd 15 men we'd be winning.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 20, 2023, 06:32:28 PM
14 man Tyrone have outscored Galway in 35 odd mins of football, 10min of which they had 13men.
Proves Burns had a brain fart
There's zero pressure from Tyrone on the Galway forwards.
Not watching the game, but I thought Gough give Derry very little in the first half of ulster final, leading to a couple of Armagh frees.
60 mins played Galway 0-13 Tyrone 0-9.
Quote from: clarshack on May 20, 2023, 06:37:53 PM
There's zero pressure from Tyrone on the Galway forwards.
Galway managing the game. It's simple for them. No goals and they have it wrapped up. They don't need to take risks. That's why talk of 14 players etc etc is pointless. They're managing the game out. Armagh should take lessons.
Gough is a brutal brutal referee, no idea where the myth that he's the best in the country comes from
Was he the boy that red carded 4 Tyrone boys v armagh last year?
5 mins of normal time left. Galway 0-14 Tyrone 0-11
Also, the physio coming on after every free is getting really boring. I know teams want to slow the game down but it is so bad, embarrassing. It's every team does it though
Quote from: An Watcher on May 20, 2023, 06:44:56 PM
Was he the boy that red carded 4 Tyrone boys v armagh last year?
Yep, that very buachaill!
Jesus lads this is brutal both teams falling round the place with minimal contact!!
Diving and rubbish refereeing. But we're told football is at its all-time best.
Gough shocking. Me me me me me
Love watching McCurry - class act.
Starting to think, if a man goes down injured when he comes round should be took to the line for a 2 min check with no other player replacing, the playacting, the cheating, as bad as soccer.
1 minute of 5 added minutes to play Galway 3 points ahead.
Quote from: StephenC on May 20, 2023, 06:48:26 PM
Love watching McCurry - class act.
Never hides. Quality player.
Ironically tyrone will be happier. AI potentials Galway barley put away a 14 man poor tyrone team for majority of the game.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 20, 2023, 06:51:28 PM
Starting to think, if a man goes down injured when he comes round should be took to the line for a 2 min check with no other player replacing, the playacting, the cheating, as bad as soccer.
Yes, agreed, could be known as the Roscommon Rule.
Gough is a joke. He should be retired at the end of the season.
No free there
Quote from: screenexile on May 20, 2023, 06:47:15 PM
Jesus lads this is brutal both teams falling round the place with minimal contact!!
You run round in the lashing rain and we'll all shoulder you, see how long you stay on your feet ;D
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 20, 2023, 06:54:51 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 20, 2023, 06:47:15 PM
Jesus lads this is brutal both teams falling round the place with minimal contact!!
You run round in the lashing rain and we'll all shoulder you, see how long you stay on your feet ;D
'Screen would eats youse alive
Gough certainly favouring Galway. Poor.
Burns deserved his red though and Morgan with the black.
But marginal calls all Galway
The Pomeroy men can't really be trusted. Not good enough at this level.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2023, 06:54:01 PM
Ironically tyrone will be happier. AI potentials Galway barley put away a 14 man poor tyrone team for majority of the game.
Tyrone are quite good. Beating youse is an achievement. 8)
FT Galway 0-16 Tyrone 0-13
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2023, 06:54:01 PM
Ironically tyrone will be happier. AI potentials Galway barley put away a 14 man poor tyrone team for majority of the game.
I don't get this? Tyrone were never in that game. Galway were always keeping Tyrone at arms length. Thought Tyrone were poor. Defence is open down the middle. Glaring issues haven't been addressed.
3 points is the Frank Burns effect.
Gough couldn't make his bias any more obvious. Galway deserved winners. Felt like a league game.
Quote from: clarshack on May 20, 2023, 06:32:34 PM
Tyrone are a stupid team. Free out on sideline moved in and Walsh pops it over.
The amount of mouthing is unreal. Morgan seems to be a ringleader.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2023, 06:56:39 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2023, 06:54:01 PM
Ironically tyrone will be happier. AI potentials Galway barley put away a 14 man poor tyrone team for majority of the game.
I don't get this? Tyrone were never in that game. Galway were always keeping Tyrone at arms length. Thought Tyrone were poor. Defence is open down the middle. Glaring issues haven't been addressed.
😂 So a 15 man Galway who were playing against a wide open defence only had 1 score in it at the end
Galway in pole position in the group but we learned very little from that game in terms of Sam.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2023, 06:42:33 PM
Quote from: clarshack on May 20, 2023, 06:37:53 PM
There's zero pressure from Tyrone on the Galway forwards.
Galway managing the game. It's simple for them. No goals and they have it wrapped up. They don't need to take risks. That's why talk of 14 players etc etc is pointless. They're managing the game out. Armagh should take lessons.
Well they didn't manage it particularly well when they played almost the whole game against 14 and a spell against 13 yet only win by a score and indeed having to survive a late effort at a goal ;D. You're giving Galway far too much credit there, rather than managing the game well they actually failed to put Tyrone away when they were in a hugely advantageous position. At the same time they win without playing well and that's no bad way to start a group stage.
For Tyrone it was a spirited second half, in fact Tyrone actually managed an almost hopeless position very well from the black card on. But the challenge from Burns was madness and we won't do anything with ill discipline like that.
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2023, 06:57:09 PM
3 points is the Frank Burns effect.
Same score line without Frank Burns doing what he did.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/19/galway-come-good-against-the-wind-to-beat-tyrone-and-claim-first-win/
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2023, 06:58:28 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2023, 06:56:39 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2023, 06:54:01 PM
Ironically tyrone will be happier. AI potentials Galway barley put away a 14 man poor tyrone team for majority of the game.
I don't get this? Tyrone were never in that game. Galway were always keeping Tyrone at arms length. Thought Tyrone were poor. Defence is open down the middle. Glaring issues haven't been addressed.
😂 So a 15 man Galway who were playing against a wide open defence only had 1 score in it at the end
Yes. That's all that was needed. They managed the game excellently.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2023, 06:58:28 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2023, 06:56:39 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2023, 06:54:01 PM
Ironically tyrone will be happier. AI potentials Galway barley put away a 14 man poor tyrone team for majority of the game.
I don't get this? Tyrone were never in that game. Galway were always keeping Tyrone at arms length. Thought Tyrone were poor. Defence is open down the middle. Glaring issues haven't been addressed.
😂 So a 15 man Galway who were playing against a wide open defence only had 1 score in it at the end
A soaked sodden pitch, real ambush conditions, but Galway get the 2 points and are up and running, in full control of that game, but Tyrone will be happier. Gotcha
How did Comer n Walsh do? I didn't think Comer was on?
Quote from: OakLeaf on May 20, 2023, 06:59:55 PM
Galway in pole position in the group but we learned very little from that game in terms of Sam.
Going to learn f**k all from any of these games
Going to end up with 8 teams in the quarters which everyone could've handpicked anyway, but just a lit more euro in the gaa coffers which is what this all about
Bring back David Coldrick all is forgiven.
Bound to be some history in the fact Tyrone have lost 4 consecutive championship matches since winning the All Ireland.
Has this ever happened before??
So the weather, losing a man not scoring enough but it's the ref's fault :D
Quote from: screenexile on May 20, 2023, 07:07:55 PM
Bound to be some history in the fact Tyrone have lost 4 consecutive championship matches since winning the All Ireland.
Has this ever happened before??
In fairness since Derry won single Sam in the last millennium - Tyrone have won 4 consecutive Sams since then!!!!
Quote from: screenexile on May 20, 2023, 07:07:55 PM
Bound to be some history in the fact Tyrone have lost 4 consecutive championship matches since winning the All Ireland.
Has this ever happened before??
Hasn't happened to Tyrone anyway, they beat Fermanagh in their first game in Ulster last year.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 20, 2023, 07:08:45 PM
So the weather, losing a man not scoring enough but it's the ref's fault :D
I could have sworn Galway got more scores but obviously mistaken.
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Quote from: screenexile on May 20, 2023, 07:07:55 PM
Bound to be some history in the fact Tyrone have lost 4 consecutive championship matches since winning the All Ireland.
Has this ever happened before??
Hasn't happened to Tyrone anyway, they beat Fermanagh in their first game in Ulster last year.
😂😂 fair enough I forgot about that massive victory!!!
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Going to learn f**k all from any of these games
Going to end up with 8 teams in the quarters which everyone could've handpicked anyway, but just a lit more euro in the gaa coffers which is what this all about
You're not wrong lad. Surely the powers that be can come up with a better system than this?
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Ironically tyrone will be happier. AI potentials Galway barley put away a 14 man poor tyrone team for majority of the game.
I don't get this? Tyrone were never in that game. Galway were always keeping Tyrone at arms length. Thought Tyrone were poor. Defence is open down the middle. Glaring issues haven't been addressed.
😂 So a 15 man Galway who were playing against a wide open defence only had 1 score in it at the end
A soaked sodden pitch, real ambush conditions, but Galway get the 2 points and are up and running, in full control of that game, but Tyrone will be happier. Gotcha
Or a team talked as genuine ai contenders play a 14 man poor team coming in on back of 3 championship defeats, getting majority of decisions and win by 3 points.
Do you honestly think Galway will be happy with that performance? Tyrone on the other hand were never expected to win it and got game to within 3 points with 14 men
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Bound to be some history in the fact Tyrone have lost 4 consecutive championship matches since winning the All Ireland.
Has this ever happened before??
In fairness since Derry won single Sam in the last millennium - Tyrone have won 4 consecutive Sams since then!!!!
How do you win 4 consecutive in 30 years
That's a new one
Tyrone did well there. They had the high press working well near the end and I'd say there were a few soiled Galway pants come full time. Wasn't impressed with Galway at all. A lot of dodgy tackles and cynicism (Gough assisted)when they could have been out the gap had they stuck to their game. And they were goal shy when that's Tyrone's weak spot. Don't see all-irelands coming to either team but Tyrone have a serious bench if they can get them up to speed in the next few games.
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Bound to be some history in the fact Tyrone have lost 4 consecutive championship matches since winning the All Ireland.
Has this ever happened before??
Hasn't happened to Tyrone anyway, they beat Fermanagh in their first game in Ulster last year.
😂😂 fair enough I forgot about that massive victory!!!
Important to get your facts right when trolling! I haven't forgotten the massive victory the year before. Don't remember Derry's sole All Ireland success so well ;)
Tyrone giving out about Gough is some laugh. McCurry scored 4 frees from the exact same position in the second half. One of the four was a foul
Aside from that, a poor Galway performance. Only Conroy and Sweeney excelled. Mountains to work on
Quote from: Whishtup on May 20, 2023, 07:19:18 PM
Tyrone did well there. They had the high press working well near the end and I'd say there were a few soiled Galway pants come full time. Wasn't impressed with Galway at all. A lot of dodgy tackles and cynicism (Gough assisted)when they could have been out the gap had they stuck to their game. And they were goal shy when that's Tyrone's weak spot. Don't see all-irelands coming to either team but Tyrone have a serious bench if they can get them up to speed in the next few games.
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Agreed. Not many refs will allow the off the ball fouling Galway got away with.
Today was all about getting the W.
Performance wasn't good but I'll take playing poorly and winning every day of the week.
Four championship defeats in a row for Tyrone now and have conceded 4-67.
Quote from: Manning18 on May 20, 2023, 07:23:43 PM
Tyrone giving out about Gough is some laugh. McCurry scored 4 frees from the exact same position in the second half. One of the four was a foul
Aside from that, a poor Galway performance. Only Conroy and Sweeney excelled. Mountains to work on
Best team on the day won without doubt, game was effectively over when Burns had a brain fart. Its the inconsistencies that grates with Gough. Tyrone should have had another black and Galway should have had a red and 2 blacks. What was a foul one minute wasn't blown the next.
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Tyrone did well there. They had the high press working well near the end and I'd say there were a few soiled Galway pants come full time. Wasn't impressed with Galway at all. A lot of dodgy tackles and cynicism (Gough assisted)when they could have been out the gap had they stuck to their game. And they were goal shy when that's Tyrone's weak spot. Don't see all-irelands coming to either team but Tyrone have a serious bench if they can get them up to speed in the next few games.
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Agreed. Not many refs will allow the off the ball fouling Galway got away with.
Ye are some laugh lads. Talking about off the ball fouling. Were any of ye actually at the game by any chance to see all of this supposed off the ball fouling?
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Ironically tyrone will be happier. AI potentials Galway barley put away a 14 man poor tyrone team for majority of the game.
I don't get this? Tyrone were never in that game. Galway were always keeping Tyrone at arms length. Thought Tyrone were poor. Defence is open down the middle. Glaring issues haven't been addressed.
😂 So a 15 man Galway who were playing against a wide open defence only had 1 score in it at the end
A soaked sodden pitch, real ambush conditions, but Galway get the 2 points and are up and running, in full control of that game, but Tyrone will be happier. Gotcha
Or a team talked as genuine ai contenders play a 14 man poor team coming in on back of 3 championship defeats, getting majority of decisions and win by 3 points.
Do you honestly think Galway will be happy with that performance? Tyrone on the other hand were never expected to win it and got game to within 3 points with 14 men
You seem slightly bitter chief.
So are you actually saying it was an achievement to get to within three points of a Galway team who played poorly on the day?
Galway won't be happy with the performance at all but will take the win and move on
Quote from: screenexile on May 20, 2023, 07:07:55 PM
Bound to be some history in the fact Tyrone have lost 4 consecutive championship matches since winning the All Ireland.
Has this ever happened before??
Tbf we have played Derry, Armagh, Monaghan and Galway, not as if we have got some handy ones such as Tipperary and Clare like Kerry have done.
Wasn't much wind but hard to explain just how slippy the pitch got after it got a dump of rain on it just before the game. Lads slipping and sliding, ball like a bar of soap and players dropping shots short as they weren't sure of their footing. Gough got the red card right in fairness. It was a pretty poor hit on an unprotected player. How he ignored the 3rd man hit on Tierney mid way through the 2nd half is mind boggling. It was right in front of him. He's a very strange ref at times.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 20, 2023, 07:33:39 PM
Wasn't much wind but hard to explain just how slippy the pitch got after it got a dump of rain on it just before the game. Lads slipping and sliding, ball like a bar of soap and players dropping shots short as they weren't sure of their footing. Gough got the red card right in fairness. It was a pretty poor hit on an unprotected player. How he ignored the 3rd man hit on Tierney mid way through the 2nd half is mind boggling. It was right in front of him. He's a very strange ref at times.
He actually put his hands out to signal play on. It was a clear black card.
Galway were poor but never looked in any real danger. The conditions certainly didn't help anybody, but Galway looked constricted by their system, no adventure even with an xtra man or 2. Tyrone will be happy enough I'd imagine but they're in the pack with the other AI dreamers.
There'll be bite to the Tyrone v Armagh game as the thought of Kerry will concentrate minds, but avoid Kerry and its a big so what. It is all going to be balls until the QFs
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Bound to be some history in the fact Tyrone have lost 4 consecutive championship matches since winning the All Ireland.
Has this ever happened before??
Tbf we have played Derry, Armagh, Monaghan and Galway, not as if we have got some handy ones such as Tipperary and Clare like Kerry have done.
Last gasp goal in one. And 14 men for most of the games in the other. Sums up Tyrone atm - a bit messy
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Ironically tyrone will be happier. AI potentials Galway barley put away a 14 man poor tyrone team for majority of the game.
I don't get this? Tyrone were never in that game. Galway were always keeping Tyrone at arms length. Thought Tyrone were poor. Defence is open down the middle. Glaring issues haven't been addressed.
😂 So a 15 man Galway who were playing against a wide open defence only had 1 score in it at the end
A soaked sodden pitch, real ambush conditions, but Galway get the 2 points and are up and running, in full control of that game, but Tyrone will be happier. Gotcha
Or a team talked as genuine ai contenders play a 14 man poor team coming in on back of 3 championship defeats, getting majority of decisions and win by 3 points.
Do you honestly think Galway will be happy with that performance? Tyrone on the other hand were never expected to win it and got game to within 3 points with 14 men
You seem slightly bitter chief.
So are you actually saying it was an achievement to get to within three points of a Galway team who played poorly on the day?
Galway won't be happy with the performance at all but will take the win and move on
How can I be bitter. Better team won, that's exactly what I said Galway won't be happy. As said before no one expected tyrone to win and to stay within 3 points is a good result for tyrone all things considering. Tyrone will be happy coming within 3 points and losing 2 men at different parts of the game all things considering. No one is expecting or tipping tyrone to achieve anything this year.
Quote from: Manning18 on May 20, 2023, 07:23:43 PM
Tyrone giving out about Gough is some laugh. McCurry scored 4 frees from the exact same position in the second half. One of the four was a foul
Aside from that, a poor Galway performance. Only Conroy and Sweeney excelled. Mountains to work on
No Galway players giving out about these. They were happy to concede frees to avoid goal chances. Probably a good enough call by the Galway players. But they got away with a lot in the first half. Definite free not given after goal chance near the end. Galway's tackle discipline was poor. Tyrone's pretty good bar Burns' clatter. Even enough teams.
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Ironically tyrone will be happier. AI potentials Galway barley put away a 14 man poor tyrone team for majority of the game.
I don't get this? Tyrone were never in that game. Galway were always keeping Tyrone at arms length. Thought Tyrone were poor. Defence is open down the middle. Glaring issues haven't been addressed.
😂 So a 15 man Galway who were playing against a wide open defence only had 1 score in it at the end
A soaked sodden pitch, real ambush conditions, but Galway get the 2 points and are up and running, in full control of that game, but Tyrone will be happier. Gotcha
Or a team talked as genuine ai contenders play a 14 man poor team coming in on back of 3 championship defeats, getting majority of decisions and win by 3 points.
Do you honestly think Galway will be happy with that performance? Tyrone on the other hand were never expected to win it and got game to within 3 points with 14 men
You seem slightly bitter chief.
So are you actually saying it was an achievement to get to within three points of a Galway team who played poorly on the day?
Galway won't be happy with the performance at all but will take the win and move on
How can I be bitter. Better team won, that's exactly what I said Galway won't be happy. As said before no one expected tyrone to win and to stay within 3 points is a good result for tyrone all things considering. Tyrone will be happy coming within 3 points and losing 2 men at different parts of the game all things considering. No one is expecting or tipping tyrone to achieve anything this year.
I don't know how you'd be happy with that for Tyrone. We were never in it. We battled away, but never got within touching distance.
Brutal conditions, red card ruined it as a contest but there can be no dispute that it was a red either.
Gough with his usual look at me style, dread when I see him assigned to a match, Tyrone will rightfully be sore at some calls but to be fair there was some crazy stuff against Galway as well. The non black card for the Tierney block and a couple of ridiculous frees for nothing that were pointed in the second half.
Galway won't be happy with the performance, wasn't great but important thing is the win, I was fearful of a Tyrone ambush and Galway survived, albeit while not impressing. Only team that impressed today was Mayo, best on show by a distance, Tyrone at least showed some serious resilience and fight, if Mayo took their goal chances Kerry would have been bet out the gate.
Loads to work on for the Westmeath game for Galway, hope Jack Glynn isn't seriously hurt and can return to the team.
The best of luck to Tyrone moving forward in the competition until we perhaps meet again.
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Bound to be some history in the fact Tyrone have lost 4 consecutive championship matches since winning the All Ireland.
Has this ever happened before??
Hasn't happened to Tyrone anyway, they beat Fermanagh in their first game in Ulster last year.
😂😂 fair enough I forgot about that massive victory!!!
Important to get your facts right when trolling!
😂 Tyrone's biggest troll, and I don't usually pick up on these things.
One thing I notice, like the Ulster final last week, everybody giving out about refs, now taking bias out of the way, we can't all be wrong. I watched one of the minor games today and the lack of giving frees for obvious fouls and trying to keep a game tight was mysterious in trying to work what goes through a refs head.
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One thing I notice, like the Ulster final last week, everybody giving out about refs, now taking bias out of the way, we can't all be wrong. I watched one of the minor games today and the lack of giving frees for obvious fouls and trying to keep a game tight was mysterious in trying to work what goes through a refs head.
Yeah his sole purpose is to keep the game tight! ;D
I don't know who wanted more matches but here they are. They will suit a team like Tyrone who can experiment with different ideas and no jeopardy.,
Tyrone used the qualifiers to do something similar in 05 and 08. Galway can use the time to fix problems as well.
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2023, 08:41:37 PM
I don't know who wanted more matches but here they are. They will suit a team like Tyrone who can experiment with different ideas and no jeopardy.,
Tyrone used the qualifiers to do something similar in 05 and 08. Galway can use the time to fix problems as well.
Poor enough game between 2 very defensive sides. The conditions made it a tough watch. Tyrone were very cynical and Galway weren't far behind.
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I don't know who wanted more matches but here they are. They will suit a team like Tyrone who can experiment with different ideas and no jeopardy.,
Tyrone used the qualifiers to do something similar in 05 and 08. Galway can use the time to fix problems as well.
Poor enough game between 2 very defensive sides. The conditions made it a tough watch. Tyrone were very cynical and Galway weren't far behind.
Neither team are defensive. Tyrone were admirable in pressing kickouts a man down in the second half but they were hamstung by being that man down an it limited what they could do. Galway had the lead so it would be madness to not conserve it a man up. Galway were involved in the two best games of last year's championship
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I don't know who wanted more matches but here they are. They will suit a team like Tyrone who can experiment with different ideas and no jeopardy.,
Tyrone used the qualifiers to do something similar in 05 and 08. Galway can use the time to fix problems as well.
Poor enough game between 2 very defensive sides. The conditions made it a tough watch. Tyrone were very cynical and Galway weren't far behind.
Neither team are defensive. Tyrone were admirable in pressing kickouts a man down in the second half but they were hamstung by being that man down an it limited what they could do. Galway had the lead so it would be madness to not conserve it a man up. Galway were involved in the two best games of last year's championship
Those games were a bit more open last year to be fair. Galway have focused more on their defensive system/structure this year and from it the highest score Galway have conceded in league and championship has been 14 points.
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I don't know who wanted more matches but here they are. They will suit a team like Tyrone who can experiment with different ideas and no jeopardy.,
Tyrone used the qualifiers to do something similar in 05 and 08. Galway can use the time to fix problems as well.
Poor enough game between 2 very defensive sides. The conditions made it a tough watch. Tyrone were very cynical and Galway weren't far behind.
Neither team are defensive. Tyrone were admirable in pressing kickouts a man down in the second half but they were hamstung by being that man down an it limited what they could do. Galway had the lead so it would be madness to not conserve it a man up. Galway were involved in the two best games of last year's championship
Wouldn't worry Manning. Lenny is a c- level troll. Has a persecution complex about Derry being labelled defensive so unlike them, has decided to go on the all out attack by calling other counties defensive.
Hard to read much into that. Conditions seemed brutal. Tyrone had a good goal chance early on and at 15v15 both sides looked even enough, Galway slightly the better side.
Fair call on the red. Gough can be hard to read at times. When you think he has a vendetta against you, he can give you a series of easy ones.
Tír Eoghain are much better than recent results suggest and will improve when they reach the quarterfinals. Will still have a big say at the business end of things which is still far away.
In very tough circumstances, especially down to 13 for a period, i thought Tyrone were impressive enough. Galway were disappointing nothwithstanding. Tyrones game management and running game, especially in the second half was impressive enough. They handled the Galway attacks well in the second half also and there were little to no goal chances. They'll be a handful for anyone going forward and I wouldn't look forward to meeting them in Croker
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2023, 08:41:37 PM
I don't know who wanted more matches but here they are. They will suit a team like Tyrone who can experiment with different ideas and no jeopardy.,
Tyrone used the qualifiers to do something similar in 05 and 08. Galway can use the time to fix problems as well.
I think more matches has been something the vast majority of gaa supporters have been wanting or years now. As for the moans on here around the new system, give it a chance. For all the talk about only losing 4 teams, this series of group games will throw up some nice fixtures and as today showed, there's enough of an incentive to win to make sure that nobody is taking these games lightly. We'll see how it pans out with the next two rounds, and the appetite will be truly whetted by the time the knockout games arrive, with no excuses anymore about teams progressing there via weak province's or no challenges.
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I don't know who wanted more matches
90% + of Congress delegates.
Players too.
Thought Sweeney was very good after he came on. Was one of the few Galway players who wanted to drive forward and break the line. Think it's fairly clear now that Galway don't want to gift the opposition turnovers and counter attacks so there is a lot of slow methodical build ups and attacks. While they work players into shooting positions. I think they can afford to be a bit less conservative to be honest and move ball more quickly to the forwards. They did it a couple times and got scores from it but their main focus is definitely on not conceding turnovers. Because they know from the stats that turnover scores killed them last year. Especially in the final. it doesn't lead to exciting football though.
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2023, 09:48:05 PM
Hard to read much into that. Conditions seemed brutal. Tyrone had a good goal chance early on and at 15v15 both sides looked even enough, Galway slightly the better side.
Fair call on the red. Gough can be hard to read at times. When you think he has a vendetta against you, he can give you a series of easy ones.
Exactly. Gough is a decent ref.
His sending off percentage of Tyrone players is great.. no other man in history sends them off like gough. Fair play to him..
Whatever about Gough in general, surely there is no sense of injustice about the red card yesterday?
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Whatever about Gough in general, surely there is no sense of injustice about the red card yesterday?
None. Burns knew himself as soon as he did it.
On the game at 7-3 down and reduced to 13 it looked like a hammering on the cards. To be fair Tyrone dug in and out in a spirited performance after that. I never like to take too much from defeats but they got enough out of it to have something to build on. Thought mattie Donnelly put in a huge yet. Worries are the half forward line, Darragh canavan clearly carrying an injury and boys walking away from the panel on championship week leading to the comical situation of a county team having no sub keeper.
I don't think burns meant what happened but enough in it to justify the red, though a similar one was ignored in Killarney. If you are going down the route of protecting players were the rules not changed so that close lines such as Ian Burkes can now be a red card by the letter of the law too?
Sending off Morgan for shouting where's your f'ing card now ref as could be heard in the stand is setting a pretty low threshold for black cards. This also led to a hop ball. When the Galway boys did it after burns tackle the free stood and gough waved them away. Similarly when there was Galway descent for a Tyrone free in the second half he simply moved the ball up.
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On the game at 7-3 down and reduced to 13 it looked like a hammering on the cards. To be fair Tyrone dug in and out in a spirited performance after that. I never like to take too much from defeats but they got enough out of it to have something to build on. Thought mattie Donnelly put in a huge yet. Worries are the half forward line, Darragh canavan clearly carrying an injury and boys walking away from the panel on championship week leading to the comical situation of a county team having no sub keeper.
I don't think burns meant what happened but enough in it to justify the red, though a similar one was ignored in Killarney. If you are going down the route of protecting players were the rules not changed so that close lines such as Ian Burkes can now be a red card by the letter of the law too?
Sending off Morgan for shouting where's your f'ing card now ref as could be heard in the stand is setting a pretty low threshold for black cards. This also led to a hop ball. When the Galway boys did it after burns tackle the free stood and gough waved them away. Similarly when there was Galway descent for a Tyrone free in the second half he simply moved the ball up.
You dont believe that those choice of words plus his antics running and jumping to the referee wouldnt count as 'To remonstrate in an aggressive manner to match officials'?
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On the game at 7-3 down and reduced to 13 it looked like a hammering on the cards. To be fair Tyrone dug in and out in a spirited performance after that. I never like to take too much from defeats but they got enough out of it to have something to build on. Thought mattie Donnelly put in a huge yet. Worries are the half forward line, Darragh canavan clearly carrying an injury and boys walking away from the panel on championship week leading to the comical situation of a county team having no sub keeper.
I don't think burns meant what happened but enough in it to justify the red, though a similar one was ignored in Killarney. If you are going down the route of protecting players were the rules not changed so that close lines such as Ian Burkes can now be a red card by the letter of the law too?
Sending off Morgan for shouting where's your f'ing card now ref as could be heard in the stand is setting a pretty low threshold for black cards. This also led to a hop ball. When the Galway boys did it after burns tackle the free stood and gough waved them away. Similarly when there was Galway descent for a Tyrone free in the second half he simply moved the ball up.
You dont believe that those choice of words plus his antics running and jumping to the referee wouldnt count as 'To remonstrate in an aggressive manner to match officials'?
The way the rules are written by the letter of the law he could have given a black card. But if you are going to give them that easily then there'll be lot more handed out this year. He wasn't anywhere near the referee so it wasn't exactly intimidating. And as I say if you are going down the route of the letter of the law then Galway could have had a black for running at him shouting after burns hit and burkes tackle given new found interpretation of rules to protect players from high tackles could have been a red.
Agree that Burns' tackle was dangerous enough to warrant a red. The issue for me will be consistency going forward in other games during the summer.
I would have no problem with Morgan's black card if we had seen the same applied in every other match since that rule has come in. I can't remember any other examples? Now Gough has set the standard I'll be expecting several black cards in the remaining matches this year.
Morgan a mouth, I seen men getting yellow carded and stimes send of yrs ago, before a black card existing for choice words to a ref. Tyrone in general seem to have a discipline issue. Not sure why there any discussion on Burns card, it was so obvious a red. Only thing I say is that there was a bad tackle in the Donegal, Clare game were McFadden should seen the line.
So if players were getting yellow carded in the past there should be loads of examples of players getting a black card since it was a rule? As I said there should be plenty now in the remaining games of the championship.
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Morgan a mouth, I seen men getting yellow carded and stimes send of yrs ago, before a black card existing for choice words to a ref. Tyrone in general seem to have a discipline issue. Not sure why there any discussion on Burns card, it was so obvious a red. Only thing I say is that there was a bad tackle in the Donegal, Clare game were McFadden should seen the line.
That's a lazy narrative and was also peddled by the commentators yesterday. Several late, high challenges, drag-backs,etc. by Galway yesterday that nearly lost them the game yet Tyrone are indisciplined. Tyrone did well not to react. 1st free to GalwY after the 2nd half throw in against Kilpatrick was an absolute joke. It's bad when you are trying to avoid teams in the knockout stages but Tyrone will also be keeping an eye on the man in black.
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Morgan a mouth, I seen men getting yellow carded and stimes send of yrs ago, before a black card existing for choice words to a ref. Tyrone in general seem to have a discipline issue. Not sure why there any discussion on Burns card, it was so obvious a red. Only thing I say is that there was a bad tackle in the Donegal, Clare game were McFadden should seen the line.
That's a lazy narrative and was also peddled by the commentators yesterday. Several late, high challenges, drag-backs,etc. by Galway yesterday that nearly lost them the game yet Tyrone are indisciplined. Tyrone did well not to react. 1st free to GalwY after the 2nd half throw in against Kilpatrick was an absolute joke. It's bad when you are trying to avoid teams in the knockout stages but Tyrone will also be keeping an eye on the man in black.
Agreed. It's amazing the amount of fouling teams do but it's always tyrone who have the problem. Before the sending off 2 Galway men should have been black carded for off the ball hits, strangely frees were given but no cards.
Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.
I've been on this board since the early 2000s, and the one constant in the universe through all that time is that referees have always had it in for Tyrone, almost each and every match, win, lose or draw! ;D
Must be great craic altogether in club matches within the county.
Galway manager Pádraic Joyce is hoping that defender Jack Glynn is not facing an extended period on the sidelines after suffering a suspected jaw injury in their three-point All-Ireland round-robin win over Tyrone on Saturday.
The Claregalway man had to leave the pitch in the 19th minute following a collision with Tyrone's Frank Burns, who was red-carded as a result, and the Tribe boss said that they were concerned about the possible prognosis.
"We lost Jack with the tackle and it looked like a poor challenge on Jack, Frank will admit that himself," Joyce told RTÉ Sport.
"He just mistimed it and hit him in the face. Hopefully he'll be OK but there's a bit of concern on him there.
"He's groggy and he's concussed a little bit. He's more concerned about his jaw now, his jaw could be in a bit of bother. We'll get him to hospital and get him assessed."
While happy with the result, Joyce was less enamoured with the passiveness of his side when Tyrone were reduced to 13 players in the first half after Red Hand goalkeeper Niall Morgan was black-carded soon after Burns' departure.
"It was a poor performance overall by us, at the same time we stuck at it. We probably were the better team on the day but I wouldn't be overly excited about the performance that we put in there.
"[It was] a bit lateral, lacking a bit of energy in the first half, especially when they went down to 13 players with their goalkeeper off the pitch, one of their main players. We just didn't really capitalise on that.
"A couple of pot-shots in the first half as well, we struggled to get scores and we found it hard to work a score. We kind of played into Tyrone's hands a bit as well.
"We knew how they'd set up defensively, we just took the ball into the tackle a few times, we didn't stretch them up the pitch enough and didn't make them chase around a bit more.
"Look, happy to get out of it, they're a top-class side and if you beat Tyrone by three points, any day you'd be happy."
If there was one exception to the rule for the Galway boss, it was for Glynn's replacement Cathal Sweeney.
"I thought Cathal Sweeney came in and had an unmerciful impact on the game. He did his man-marking duties really well in the full-back line, he probably never played there before.
"He attacked the ball, he just carried the fight to them all day and we were just lacking that from the other players on the pitch in the first half, but delighted to get over the line, delighted to win the game."
Tyrone joint-manager Brian Dooher said that they had full designs on leaving with both points, but he was proud of how his team played despite their numerical disadvantage.
"There's no getting away from it, we came down here and intended to take two points from it and it didn't happen," said Dooher, who didn't want to comment on the red card incident having not watched a replay at the time.
"I suppose we had an uphill battle from the start losing a man and then the black card on top of it, it left things very difficult ion the first half.
"We expended a lot of energy to get there and keep the game relatively tight, but I thought the boys worked hard, I couldn't fault them for their application and their attitude.
"Maybe we didn't make the right decision a few times but you're always going to have that. They definitely put in a good shift I thought."
It's now four championship losses in a row for the 2021 All-Ireland champions and it ramps up the pressure ahead of their meeting with Armagh in Omagh in two weeks' time, Kieran McGeeney's side welcoming Westmeath to the BOX-IT Athletic Grounds before that.
"It's going to be a huge game for us and Armagh both," said Dooher, who takes the side with Feargal Logan.
"There's very little between both teams. We saw Armagh last week, they're unlucky not to be Ulster champions.
"We played them a few weeks before that [Allianz league] and there was nothing in it, so it'll be nip and tuck I'm sure.
I think there is a good lot for Tyrone to take away from this. The recovery after the Morgan black card was good. The sending off is a controllable factor going forward. And losing to Galway is no shame. Tyrone will be a handful in the quarter final and with Kerry misfiring yesterday the championship is wide open.
No guarantee Tyrone will reach the Qtr Finals ;)
Watched the first 40 minutes, I didn't see one issue with cards, calls or sending offs, mouthing at the ref is a black card, he'll not do it again. Anyone trying to defend it, is wrong.
I yellow carded someone the other week for constantly trying to tell me how to ref, needless to say he was very quiet the rest of the game. Morgan didn't just mouth but ran over like a petulant child waving and jumping. Brilliant
The red card was easy, not sure why he even consulted other than conditions underfoot and was it a slip, that could only have been his get out, but nah, seen his opportunity and didn't pull out
Milltown, have a look at the Donegal game, if u get a chance, like I opinion on the McFadden one. I thought it a awful challenge.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 21, 2023, 09:54:11 AM
Whatever about Gough in general, surely there is no sense of injustice about the red card yesterday?
Don't see how anyone can complain about it, definite red and moment of madness from Burns.
I would complain about the black card though. It was a keenly anticipated game, Tyrone lose a man early on then soon after there is a high hit on a Tyrone man, it's hardly a surprise that players are fired up. A good ref there takes Morgan to one side and tells him he dealt with the two incidents accordingly and just calm down. Instead he flashes a black card and adds to the ill-feeling. You could also question his handling of consistent cynical fouling.
He certainly didn't cost Tyrone but it was an erratic display of refereeing.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2023, 12:17:43 PM
Watched the first 40 minutes, I didn't see one issue with cards, calls or sending offs, mouthing at the ref is a black card, he'll not do it again. Anyone trying to defend it, is wrong.
I yellow carded someone the other week for constantly trying to tell me how to ref, needless to say he was very quiet the rest of the game. Morgan didn't just mouth but ran over like a petulant child waving and jumping. Brilliant
The red card was easy, not sure why he even consulted other than conditions underfoot and was it a slip, that could only have been his get out, but nah, seen his opportunity and didn't pull out
So were the two third -man blocks on tyrone players in first half , not black cards ?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2023, 12:17:43 PM
Watched the first 40 minutes, I didn't see one issue with cards, calls or sending offs, mouthing at the ref is a black card, he'll not do it again. Anyone trying to defend it, is wrong.
I yellow carded someone the other week for constantly trying to tell me how to ref, needless to say he was very quiet the rest of the game. Morgan didn't just mouth but ran over like a petulant child waving and jumping. Brilliant
The red card was easy, not sure why he even consulted other than conditions underfoot and was it a slip, that could only have been his get out, but nah, seen his opportunity and didn't pull out
MR2 what did you think on the Niall Morgan take on the high ball in the goal mouth just prior to black card incident. Slightly surprised that it hasn't been mentioned.... Looked a lot more aggressive than just having the knee up to protect.... Any view on it?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2023, 12:17:43 PM
Watched the first 40 minutes, I didn't see one issue with cards, calls or sending offs, mouthing at the ref is a black card, he'll not do it again. Anyone trying to defend it, is wrong.
I yellow carded someone the other week for constantly trying to tell me how to ref, needless to say he was very quiet the rest of the game. Morgan didn't just mouth but ran over like a petulant child waving and jumping. Brilliant
The red card was easy, not sure why he even consulted other than conditions underfoot and was it a slip, that could only have been his get out, but nah, seen his opportunity and didn't pull out
So were the two third -man blocks on tyrone players in first half , not black cards ?
No, and if we are giving them as black cards in every game there'd be more people in the sin bin than on the pitch, I thought the 'body checks' were fouls yes, but I certainly wouldn't be giving a black, obstruction more than body checks, the Tyrone lads made a meal of them two, and amount of head injuries during the black card was unreal ;D
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 21, 2023, 12:21:51 PM
Milltown, have a look at the Donegal game, if u get a chance, like I opinion on the McFadden one. I thought it a awful challenge.
Me too
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2023, 12:17:43 PM
Watched the first 40 minutes, I didn't see one issue with cards, calls or sending offs, mouthing at the ref is a black card, he'll not do it again. Anyone trying to defend it, is wrong.
I yellow carded someone the other week for constantly trying to tell me how to ref, needless to say he was very quiet the rest of the game. Morgan didn't just mouth but ran over like a petulant child waving and jumping. Brilliant
The red card was easy, not sure why he even consulted other than conditions underfoot and was it a slip, that could only have been his get out, but nah, seen his opportunity and didn't pull out
MR2 what did you think on the Niall Morgan take on the high ball in the goal mouth just prior to black card incident. Slightly surprised that it hasn't been mentioned.... Looked a lot more aggressive than just having the knee up to protect.... Any view on it?
Hmmm I thought when I first seen it it was dangerous, when seen the replay there was not much in it, and while the commentators were saying players put their knees up to protect themselves, that's pure shite, had he connected (which he didn't really) I'd have blown a free in
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Watched the first 40 minutes, I didn't see one issue with cards, calls or sending offs, mouthing at the ref is a black card, he'll not do it again. Anyone trying to defend it, is wrong.
I yellow carded someone the other week for constantly trying to tell me how to ref, needless to say he was very quiet the rest of the game. Morgan didn't just mouth but ran over like a petulant child waving and jumping. Brilliant
The red card was easy, not sure why he even consulted other than conditions underfoot and was it a slip, that could only have been his get out, but nah, seen his opportunity and didn't pull out
MR2 what did you think on the Niall Morgan take on the high ball in the goal mouth just prior to black card incident. Slightly surprised that it hasn't been mentioned.... Looked a lot more aggressive than just having the knee up to protect.... Any view on it?
Hmmm I thought when I first seen it it was dangerous, when seen the replay there was not much in it, and while the commentators were saying players put their knees up to protect themselves, that's pure shite, had he connected (which he didn't really) I'd have blown a free in
I would need to have a further look. When it showed the replay it looked a very unnatural way to come for the ball. Leading head high with studs up. Granted he did not connect but if he had it would have caused a fair bit of damage.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 21, 2023, 11:40:55 AM
Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.
Cue the gaslight brigade. Galway were just about worthy winners and even without the red card, I think they would have got over the line. But we have to call out poor decisions and lazy reporting.
I thought Meyler was excellent yesterday-covers some ground and picked up a lovely point.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 21, 2023, 09:54:11 AM
Whatever about Gough in general, surely there is no sense of injustice about the red card yesterday?
No probs with the red. I actually think it is time to remove a shoulder charge when a fella already has the ball. But I have a problem with the neck tackle that wasn't a straight red and the general decision making for most of the game was poor...
He is authoritive but I think a poor ref. He has a history of incorrect red cards for Tyrone stretching back a number of years. But if he doesn't give a fcuk about his performance then neither do I.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2023, 12:17:43 PM
Watched the first 40 minutes, I didn't see one issue with cards, calls or sending offs, mouthing at the ref is a black card, he'll not do it again. Anyone trying to defend it, is wrong.
I yellow carded someone the other week for constantly trying to tell me how to ref, needless to say he was very quiet the rest of the game. Morgan didn't just mouth but ran over like a petulant child waving and jumping. Brilliant
The red card was easy, not sure why he even consulted other than conditions underfoot and was it a slip, that could only have been his get out, but nah, seen his opportunity and didn't pull out
So were the two third -man blocks on tyrone players in first half , not black cards ?
Are you serious? The two screens while Galway were attacking? No other ref in the country would even have blown them as a foul, they're a tactic Dublin have used continuously for years (it's good attacking play tbh) and they've never been given as a black card anywhere
Have a look back at the frees which McCurry converted in the second half all from 30 yards out slightly to the left. 3 of them weren't fouls
I think it's hard to see Tyrone doing back to back all Irelands but that the new setup suits the county. The current stage is pretty relaxed for the bigger counties and allows them get to the next stage with a better idea of what their best team is.
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2023, 06:12:34 PM
I think it's hard to see Tyrone doing back to back all Irelands but that the new setup suits the county. The current stage is pretty relaxed for the bigger counties and allows them get to the next stage with a better idea of what their best team is.
Bigger counties would prefer to top their group. Jack O'Connor quote before the Mayo game and what he's facing into now.
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If you lose a game in this group means you are out three weekends in a row. You are out in the last game in the group, you are out in a preliminary quarter-final, and the quarter-final itself, so that is three weeks in a row, that's tough going. The ideal gap between games is two weeks because it gives you a chance to recover and build up again whereas if you are out three weeks in a row the chances of injures are increased,"
Burns red a total joke. Wouldnt even say it was a free.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 22, 2023, 07:17:58 AM
Burns red a total joke. Wouldnt even say it was a free.
Ah now
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 22, 2023, 07:17:58 AM
Burns red a total joke. Wouldnt even say it was a free.
You must play in a brutal division
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 22, 2023, 07:17:58 AM
Burns red a total joke. Wouldnt even say it was a free.
Are you joking?
GAA I'd say will be clamping down on any type of head shots.
There'll be zero tolerance on it. That'll cut any grey areas out.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 22, 2023, 07:17:58 AM
Burns red a total joke. Wouldnt even say it was a free.
I think you've got the reaction you were after.
Tyrone scored 7 points out of their 13 points from frees whilst Galway scored 4 out of their 16 points from frees, fairly dispels a few myths. Morgan was very reckless with his high foot/knee, if that happens anywhere else on the pitch its a yellow card minimum. No idea what he said to Gough but he had run a fair distance to get too him and if any ref is going to give a black card for that its Gough. I'm not a fan of the way Gough refs a match either but he was bad for both teams on Saturday.
Though Galway were poor enough and never really got going, what part the sending off played in that we'll never know but anytime Tyrone got close Galway seemed very at ease getting a score at the other end; Tyrone at times found space in the Galway half far too easily which disappointed me.
Lets hope Glynn didn't fracture his draw and McHugh's injury wasn't serious, Galway have a lot of defenders missing already.
I had to keep reminding myself that it was Tyrone and not Galway that were a man down.
Tyrone really worked hard, and a couple of lucky breaks would have seen a different result.
I must go and do penance for that.
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 22, 2023, 10:07:33 AM
I had to keep reminding myself that it was Tyrone and not Galway that were a man down.
Tyrone really worked hard, and a couple of lucky breaks would have seen a different result.
I must go and do penance for that.
It's okay Derry will be more worried about the form of Galway than they of this version of Tyrone
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 21, 2023, 11:40:55 AM
Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.
Cue the gaslight brigade. Galway were just about worthy winners and even without the red card, I think they would have got over the line. But we have to call out poor decisions and lazy reporting.
I would have the red card as a major factor, the main reason Tyrone lost was that crazy "tackle". Galway were not going well Saturday and were distinctly unimpressive in general. Had Tyrone kept 15 on the pitch they could have easily got at least a draw if not better from the game.
You can take a running jump with your "
gaslight brigade" drivel though, I don't appreciate any of the connotations, wherever you are trying to go with it.
I have been on this platform for over 20 years and whilst I respect differing views, reading some of the stuff over the last few pages the tenor of the posts was distantly veering into "Gough rode us sideways and gave the opposition everything" side of things. I've no issue with complaints about the referee (and certainly not Gough) but the tone of the posts was the Gough was brutal hard on Tyrone to the point where it decided the game or that past dealings with Gough meant that Tyrone were at some disadvantage that Galway didn't have to deal with. There is no debate on the red. The black for Morgan is one thing and was harsh undoubtedly in light of what goes on in every match, but trying to bring some form of a false equivalence with Ian Burke's tackle to the Burns red, or to the couple of first half incidents while Galway were on the attack that were hardly frees at all, not to mind allegedly black cards, is laughable. Some of the pointed Tyrone 2nd half frees, which as Manning18 has rightly pointed out, were frees that were soft as f**k. The Daly one in particular was a joke of the highest order. The clearest black card offence of the day happened to Tierney directly in front of Gough and he did nothing.
You can complain about Gough all ye want but when someone calls out what sounds like whinging as whinging, don't be coming with out with this "gaslight" bullshit.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 21, 2023, 11:40:55 AM
Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.
Cue the gaslight brigade. Galway were just about worthy winners and even without the red card, I think they would have got over the line. But we have to call out poor decisions and lazy reporting.
I would have the red card as a major factor, the main reason Tyrone lost was that crazy "tackle". Galway were not going well Saturday and were distinctly unimpressive in general. Had Tyrone kept 15 on the pitch they could have easily got at least a draw if not better from the game.
You can take a running jump with your "gaslight brigade" drivel though, I don't appreciate any of the connotations, wherever you are trying to go with it.
I have been on this platform for over 20 years and whilst I respect differing views, reading some of the stuff over the last few pages the tenor of the posts was distantly veering into "Gough rode us sideways and gave the opposition everything" side of things. I've no issue with complaints about the referee (and certainly not Gough) but the tone of the posts was the Gough was brutal hard on Tyrone to the point where it decided the game or that past dealings with Gough meant that Tyrone were at some disadvantage that Galway didn't have to deal with. There is no debate on the red. The black for Morgan is one thing and was harsh undoubtedly in light of what goes on in every match, but trying to bring some form of a false equivalence with Ian Burke's tackle to the Burns red, or to the couple of first half incidents while Galway were on the attack that were hardly frees at all, not to mind allegedly black cards, is laughable. Some of the pointed Tyrone 2nd half frees, which as Manning18 has rightly pointed out, were frees that were soft as f**k. The Daly one in particular was a joke of the highest order. The clearest black card offence of the day happened to Tierney directly in front of Gough and he did nothing.
You can complain about Gough all ye want but when someone calls out what sounds like whinging as whinging, don't be coming with out with this "gaslight" bullshit.
If we are talking about protecting players is that tackle of Burke's not a borderline red too? The tv cameras were far away but at game it was a dangerous heavy tackle around the neck. I thought something was brought out a few years ago to try and cut these type of challenges out.
Not is was not. If you think thats a red your not well.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 21, 2023, 11:40:55 AM
Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.
Cue the gaslight brigade. Galway were just about worthy winners and even without the red card, I think they would have got over the line. But we have to call out poor decisions and lazy reporting.
I would have the red card as a major factor, the main reason Tyrone lost was that crazy "tackle". Galway were not going well Saturday and were distinctly unimpressive in general. Had Tyrone kept 15 on the pitch they could have easily got at least a draw if not better from the game.
You can take a running jump with your "gaslight brigade" drivel though, I don't appreciate any of the connotations, wherever you are trying to go with it.
I have been on this platform for over 20 years and whilst I respect differing views, reading some of the stuff over the last few pages the tenor of the posts was distantly veering into "Gough rode us sideways and gave the opposition everything" side of things. I've no issue with complaints about the referee (and certainly not Gough) but the tone of the posts was the Gough was brutal hard on Tyrone to the point where it decided the game or that past dealings with Gough meant that Tyrone were at some disadvantage that Galway didn't have to deal with. There is no debate on the red. The black for Morgan is one thing and was harsh undoubtedly in light of what goes on in every match, but trying to bring some form of a false equivalence with Ian Burke's tackle to the Burns red, or to the couple of first half incidents while Galway were on the attack that were hardly frees at all, not to mind allegedly black cards, is laughable. Some of the pointed Tyrone 2nd half frees, which as Manning18 has rightly pointed out, were frees that were soft as f**k. The Daly one in particular was a joke of the highest order. The clearest black card offence of the day happened to Tierney directly in front of Gough and he did nothing.
You can complain about Gough all ye want but when someone calls out what sounds like whinging as whinging, don't be coming with out with this "gaslight" bullshit.
If we are talking about protecting players is that tackle of Burke's not a borderline red too? The tv cameras were far away but at game it was a dangerous heavy tackle around the neck. I thought something was brought out a few years ago to try and cut these type of challenges out.
No I didn't think it was a red at the time, watched it back there would have thought a yellow card was sufficient. Would have been a really harsh red if given and I wonder would it have been shouted for so vociferously if both sides were still at 15 each? It's nowhere near equivalent to the Burns red in any case.
https://twitter.com/MatadorIrish/status/1660573514150100993?s=20
This nonsense on Twitter seems to be the vibe from Tyrone "die hards" by the looks of it, I thought Tyrone were better than the likes of this but clearly I was wrong. You'd swear this was a Cormac Reilly 2014-esque ref performance or something. Maybe better to blame the ref for all current ills rather than wonder why a result, even with numerical disadvantage, couldn't be got against opposition that really underperformed and played one of their worst games so far this year.
A vocal minority are saying the ref was bad. It happens after every tyrone game; win, lose or draw. I personally thought he was OK. The strangest decisions were the frees for blocking off the ball runners (inconsistently applied).
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Quote from: Armagh18 on May 22, 2023, 07:17:58 AM
Burns red a total joke. Wouldnt even say it was a free.
Are you joking?
GAA I'd say will be clamping down on any type of head shots.
There'll be zero tolerance on it. That'll cut any grey areas out.
I'd love to know under what rule Frank Burns was sent off for breaking.
There was some strange decisions in open play but wouldn't have said he was overly biased against Tyrone. But I do think he's quick with the cards for Tyrone - that Morgan black card was a joke. I don't think Burke's was a red personally but if you are making a case about protecting players then neck tackles are extremely dangerous.
Genuine Tyrone fans are not blaming the ref for the result - they are merely pointing as did Enda McGinley on the Saturday game that Niall Morgan's black card for talking back to the ref was the first of its kind we have seen all year. Let's see if this remains the standard going forward for the remainder of the Championship.
The red card I think was a fair call due to the heavy contact to the head, however there have been incidents throughout this year, particularly highlighted in hurling games recently, where a frontal charge to the head has resulted in only a yellow card. I remember Brian Kennedy being blindsided in the same way against Armagh in the last game of the league and it was a yellow also.
The commentary around Gough stems back to the Armagh Tyrone game last year when he sent off 4 Tyrone men and 1 Armagh man for contributing to a melee. This again was an unprecedented sanction, and the talk at the time was how this was a good standard to set to stop melees in the future. When we did see similar incidents later in the year, including Galway Armagh - only one of each team were sent off.
Galway kept Tyrone at arm's length really and the result was never in doubt. For all the talk of Galway being poor they still were clinical enough in front of the posts when they needed to be.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on May 22, 2023, 07:17:58 AM
Burns red a total joke. Wouldnt even say it was a free.
Are you joking?
GAA I'd say will be clamping down on any type of head shots.
There'll be zero tolerance on it. That'll cut any grey areas out.
I'd love to know under what rule Frank Burns was sent off for breaking.
Burns knew he was in trouble straight away.
He didn't even protest.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 21, 2023, 11:40:55 AM
Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.
Cue the gaslight brigade. Galway were just about worthy winners and even without the red card, I think they would have got over the line. But we have to call out poor decisions and lazy reporting.
I would have the red card as a major factor, the main reason Tyrone lost was that crazy "tackle". Galway were not going well Saturday and were distinctly unimpressive in general. Had Tyrone kept 15 on the pitch they could have easily got at least a draw if not better from the game.
You can take a running jump with your "gaslight brigade" drivel though, I don't appreciate any of the connotations, wherever you are trying to go with it.
I have been on this platform for over 20 years and whilst I respect differing views, reading some of the stuff over the last few pages the tenor of the posts was distantly veering into "Gough rode us sideways and gave the opposition everything" side of things. I've no issue with complaints about the referee (and certainly not Gough) but the tone of the posts was the Gough was brutal hard on Tyrone to the point where it decided the game or that past dealings with Gough meant that Tyrone were at some disadvantage that Galway didn't have to deal with. There is no debate on the red. The black for Morgan is one thing and was harsh undoubtedly in light of what goes on in every match, but trying to bring some form of a false equivalence with Ian Burke's tackle to the Burns red, or to the couple of first half incidents while Galway were on the attack that were hardly frees at all, not to mind allegedly black cards, is laughable. Some of the pointed Tyrone 2nd half frees, which as Manning18 has rightly pointed out, were frees that were soft as f**k. The Daly one in particular was a joke of the highest order. The clearest black card offence of the day happened to Tierney directly in front of Gough and he did nothing.
You can complain about Gough all ye want but when someone calls out what sounds like whinging as whinging, don't be coming with out with this "gaslight" bullshit.
If we are talking about protecting players is that tackle of Burke's not a borderline red too? The tv cameras were far away but at game it was a dangerous heavy tackle around the neck. I thought something was brought out a few years ago to try and cut these type of challenges out.
No I didn't think it was a red at the time, watched it back there would have thought a yellow card was sufficient. Would have been a really harsh red if given and I wonder would it have been shouted for so vociferously if both sides were still at 15 each? It's nowhere near equivalent to the Burns red in any case.
https://twitter.com/MatadorIrish/status/1660573514150100993?s=20
This nonsense on Twitter seems to be the vibe from Tyrone "die hards" by the looks of it, I thought Tyrone were better than the likes of this but clearly I was wrong. You'd swear this was a Cormac Reilly 2014-esque ref performance or something. Maybe better to blame the ref for all current ills rather than wonder why a result, even with numerical disadvantage, couldn't be got against opposition that really underperformed and played one of their worst games so far this year.
It was a silly tackle from Ian Burke but thought it was a yellow. No way was it anyway near as bad as Burns'.
He was taken off at half time before he got himself sent off.
I was happy to see Morgan getting a black card, not because of any rivalry, just because I hate to see that sort of throwing a strop & trying to get someone in trouble nonsense. I really hope refs maintain consistency on this issue throughout the year - unlikely tho.
Instead of moaning about Burns listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noDlSF22NWo&t=7569s
Look there's always a bit of over analysis of the ref when a team loses. Tyrone aren't unique in that sense. For me, the red was a definite red. And it was the only one during the game that warranted a red.
The other decisions weren't huge. I was surprised to see the black as it is rarely given. I don't thing Morgan was that much over the top of what you see in any heated game. But by the letter of the law it's a black. Although I don't feel we'll see that many more given like that. Certainty not by anyone other than Gough.
The rest of the game was as you'd expect. Most calls went as they should.
Still feel Galway managed the game within themselves. Would that have been different 15 on 15? I don't know. Neither team looked that sharp in the early exchanges and I think Galway had certainly looked stronger in the opening 15-20 so not sure we would necessarily have won if Burns didn't get red.
For Galway, it was a solid, if underwhelming performance. But that's the sort of game that Tyrone could have pulled a draw or win out of 4-5 years ago. Galway definitely look more structured and solid than before. Think they have definitely thrown off the label of being lightweight or soft. They have a physical edge that teams need to get over the line. They have a lot to be confident about.
Tyrone need changes. Whether that comes from older heads finding form again or the new breed. But we need to work on our defensive shape. That will win games. We have forwards there who know how to score. And ones that I think will get better in the dryer days. But without a solid foundation, it won't matter.
Burns knew it himself and the shape the boy was in coming off indicated ref right. Ian Burke tackle yellow by the rule book.
Tyrone were still not easily beat. I could see them beat Armagh
Burns was definately a red.
Morgan black was a strange one, would love to know the reason for it. If it was for backchatting the ref, surely that's a yellow.
Galway were flat, perhaps the conditions didnt suit them.
If Tyrone had watched the discipline they could have turned Galway over.
Hard to see Galway play so badly again.
Credit to Tyrone, certainly did improve from the last time out. Tyrone v Armagh is mouth watering now because up until this game I fully expected Armagh to win comfortably.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 22, 2023, 01:20:14 PM
Burns was definately a red.
Morgan black was a strange one, would love to know the reason for it. If it was for backchatting the ref, surely that's a yellow.
Galway were flat, perhaps the conditions didnt suit them.
If Tyrone had watched the discipline they could have turned Galway over.
Hard to see Galway play so badly again.
Credit to Tyrone, certainly did improve from the last time out. Tyrone v Armagh is mouth watering now because up until this game I fully expected Armagh to win comfortably.
I think back chatting or giving verbals to the ref is supposed to be a black card, could be wrong on that.
I think the term in the book might be remonstrating aggressively" to official or opponent or team mate.
Don't recall it ever being used in any game.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 22, 2023, 01:20:14 PM
Burns was definately a red.
Morgan black was a strange one, would love to know the reason for it. If it was for backchatting the ref, surely that's a yellow.
Galway were flat, perhaps the conditions didnt suit them.
If Tyrone had watched the discipline they could have turned Galway over.
Hard to see Galway play so badly again.
Credit to Tyrone, certainly did improve from the last time out. Tyrone v Armagh is mouth watering now because up until this game I fully expected Armagh to win comfortably.
I thought this too. Tyrone could have got something in this game if burns had stayed on but he absolutely had to go.
They will still not be easy beat.
People do realize that Jack Glynn has a suspected broken jaw? Burns may with that one action have ended the lads full summer. How on earth can there not be a punishment for it?
Everyone loves the big fair shoulder to shoulder hit. But it's been fairly clear for years now that if you dont time and make the connection perfectly accurately, you're going to be off
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 22, 2023, 01:20:14 PM
Burns was definately a red.
Morgan black was a strange one, would love to know the reason for it. If it was for backchatting the ref, surely that's a yellow.
Galway were flat, perhaps the conditions didnt suit them.
If Tyrone had watched the discipline they could have turned Galway over.
Hard to see Galway play so badly again.
Credit to Tyrone, certainly did improve from the last time out. Tyrone v Armagh is mouth watering now because up until this game I fully expected Armagh to win comfortably.
Have watched 5 or 6 Galway games this year against Div 1 opposition each one of them a pure war of attrition, It's not so much playing badly but playing a way for them to win arm wrestles and character building wins if you like.
The swashbuckling style of last and previous years hasn't been seen much in 2023, maybe that will change come the business end of this championship but thus far the change of style seems to be a direct response to the big scores Galway was conceding last year against the likes of Cork,Offaly,Roscommon 3 times and Armagh.
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Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.
Cue the gaslight brigade. Galway were just about worthy winners and even without the red card, I think they would have got over the line. But we have to call out poor decisions and lazy reporting.
I would have the red card as a major factor, the main reason Tyrone lost was that crazy "tackle". Galway were not going well Saturday and were distinctly unimpressive in general. Had Tyrone kept 15 on the pitch they could have easily got at least a draw if not better from the game.
You can take a running jump with your "gaslight brigade" drivel though, I don't appreciate any of the connotations, wherever you are trying to go with it.
I have been on this platform for over 20 years and whilst I respect differing views, reading some of the stuff over the last few pages the tenor of the posts was distantly veering into "Gough rode us sideways and gave the opposition everything" side of things. I've no issue with complaints about the referee (and certainly not Gough) but the tone of the posts was the Gough was brutal hard on Tyrone to the point where it decided the game or that past dealings with Gough meant that Tyrone were at some disadvantage that Galway didn't have to deal with. There is no debate on the red. The black for Morgan is one thing and was harsh undoubtedly in light of what goes on in every match, but trying to bring some form of a false equivalence with Ian Burke's tackle to the Burns red, or to the couple of first half incidents while Galway were on the attack that were hardly frees at all, not to mind allegedly black cards, is laughable. Some of the pointed Tyrone 2nd half frees, which as Manning18 has rightly pointed out, were frees that were soft as f**k. The Daly one in particular was a joke of the highest order. The clearest black card offence of the day happened to Tierney directly in front of Gough and he did nothing.
You can complain about Gough all ye want but when someone calls out what sounds like whinging as whinging, don't be coming with out with this "gaslight" bullshit.
If we are talking about protecting players is that tackle of Burke's not a borderline red too? The tv cameras were far away but at game it was a dangerous heavy tackle around the neck. I thought something was brought out a few years ago to try and cut these type of challenges out.
No I didn't think it was a red at the time, watched it back there would have thought a yellow card was sufficient. Would have been a really harsh red if given and I wonder would it have been shouted for so vociferously if both sides were still at 15 each? It's nowhere near equivalent to the Burns red in any case.
https://twitter.com/MatadorIrish/status/1660573514150100993?s=20
This nonsense on Twitter seems to be the vibe from Tyrone "die hards" by the looks of it, I thought Tyrone were better than the likes of this but clearly I was wrong. You'd swear this was a Cormac Reilly 2014-esque ref performance or something. Maybe better to blame the ref for all current ills rather than wonder why a result, even with numerical disadvantage, couldn't be got against opposition that really underperformed and played one of their worst games so far this year.
I'm referring to "only reason Tyrone lost was the ref." comment. Nobody said that or implied it. I truly believe that Galway would have won this 15 on 15. But, rightfully or wrongfully to me Gough did us no favours there with a good few other decisions. You seem to be counterwhinging the perceived whinge.
Only got to watch the game this evening and haven't read all the comments on here. For what it's worth I thought it was two good teams who seemed to be holding a lot back. The red was stonewall I thought and not helped by Burns own reaction to the foul. He made it obvious just how bad it was. I also thought Morgan could and should have seen red although it wasn't as clear cut. A knee up to protect yourself is good goalkeeping. A foot extended in front of that knee is not. It's dangerous to both you and the opponent. I don't think his actions were deliberate but they were certainly reckless and had the foot been a few inches to the other side it would have made contact with Colmers head.
Based on that game I think Tyrone would have the beating of Galway should they meet later on in a neutral ground (though a few extra beards wouldn't go amiss).
I take it that Frank will miss the next game v Armagh, his red card is beyond appealable even by GAA disciplinary standards. That will leave some big shoulders to fill.
I think it needs done away with if 1 player has the ball, it changes the dynamic.
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I think it needs done away with if 1 player has the ball, it changes the dynamic.
What does that mean? What is 'it'?
Is there any news on Jack Glynn's injury ?
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Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.
Cue the gaslight brigade. Galway were just about worthy winners and even without the red card, I think they would have got over the line. But we have to call out poor decisions and lazy reporting.
I would have the red card as a major factor, the main reason Tyrone lost was that crazy "tackle". Galway were not going well Saturday and were distinctly unimpressive in general. Had Tyrone kept 15 on the pitch they could have easily got at least a draw if not better from the game.
You can take a running jump with your "gaslight brigade" drivel though, I don't appreciate any of the connotations, wherever you are trying to go with it.
I have been on this platform for over 20 years and whilst I respect differing views, reading some of the stuff over the last few pages the tenor of the posts was distantly veering into "Gough rode us sideways and gave the opposition everything" side of things. I've no issue with complaints about the referee (and certainly not Gough) but the tone of the posts was the Gough was brutal hard on Tyrone to the point where it decided the game or that past dealings with Gough meant that Tyrone were at some disadvantage that Galway didn't have to deal with. There is no debate on the red. The black for Morgan is one thing and was harsh undoubtedly in light of what goes on in every match, but trying to bring some form of a false equivalence with Ian Burke's tackle to the Burns red, or to the couple of first half incidents while Galway were on the attack that were hardly frees at all, not to mind allegedly black cards, is laughable. Some of the pointed Tyrone 2nd half frees, which as Manning18 has rightly pointed out, were frees that were soft as f**k. The Daly one in particular was a joke of the highest order. The clearest black card offence of the day happened to Tierney directly in front of Gough and he did nothing.
You can complain about Gough all ye want but when someone calls out what sounds like whinging as whinging, don't be coming with out with this "gaslight" bullshit.
If we are talking about protecting players is that tackle of Burke's not a borderline red too? The tv cameras were far away but at game it was a dangerous heavy tackle around the neck. I thought something was brought out a few years ago to try and cut these type of challenges out.
No I didn't think it was a red at the time, watched it back there would have thought a yellow card was sufficient. Would have been a really harsh red if given and I wonder would it have been shouted for so vociferously if both sides were still at 15 each? It's nowhere near equivalent to the Burns red in any case.
https://twitter.com/MatadorIrish/status/1660573514150100993?s=20
This nonsense on Twitter seems to be the vibe from Tyrone "die hards" by the looks of it, I thought Tyrone were better than the likes of this but clearly I was wrong. You'd swear this was a Cormac Reilly 2014-esque ref performance or something. Maybe better to blame the ref for all current ills rather than wonder why a result, even with numerical disadvantage, couldn't be got against opposition that really underperformed and played one of their worst games so far this year.
I'm referring to "only reason Tyrone lost was the ref." comment. Nobody said that or implied it. I truly believe that Galway would have won this 15 on 15. But, rightfully or wrongfully to me Gough did us no favours there with a good few other decisions. You seem to be counterwhinging the perceived whinge.
Counterwhinging, gaslighting. Anymore word nonsense you want to bring to the party?
listened to gaa social podcast this morning thought oisin mcconville made a valid point in relation to galway as in they have that much talent up front that only need a few of them to play well in order to get them over the line. The returns of Cooke and Burke and the development of Tierney as a leader in the team has really helped them and if Walsh or Comer are not at it they still have a chance to win the game.
What do the Tyrone posters think of their current half forward line? Obviously Burns will miss out the next day, but to me it is very workmanline but no real x factor there.
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Quote from: tbrick18 on May 22, 2023, 01:20:14 PM
Burns was definately a red.
Morgan black was a strange one, would love to know the reason for it. If it was for backchatting the ref, surely that's a yellow.
Galway were flat, perhaps the conditions didnt suit them.
If Tyrone had watched the discipline they could have turned Galway over.
Hard to see Galway play so badly again.
Credit to Tyrone, certainly did improve from the last time out. Tyrone v Armagh is mouth watering now because up until this game I fully expected Armagh to win comfortably.
Have watched 5 or 6 Galway games this year against Div 1 opposition each one of them a pure war of attrition, It's not so much playing badly but playing a way for them to win arm wrestles and character building wins if you like.
The swashbuckling style of last and previous years hasn't been seen much in 2023, maybe that will change come the business end of this championship but thus far the change of style seems to be a direct response to the big scores Galway was conceding last year against the likes of Cork,Offaly,Roscommon 3 times and Armagh.
Exactly. On more balanced reflection of the match, don't think Galway were that flat, some of their scores were very well-worked indeed. It's just that they laboured a bit more up front at times, moving laterally rather than going for a quicker 'kill' . Shane Walsh was better on the evening but still seems reluctant to take on opponents (plural) flat out and beat them with pace. It's these searing breaks that open up the room for other forwards to exploit also. I'd also like to see Rob Finnerty bring more of his club form to the table. Ian Burke is a craftier player but Finnerty will score more. Surely both could be accommodated? Galway's defence is still a model of miserliness, though they would be concerned that Tyrone's response scores in the second half were more easily yielded than normal. With both Glynn and McHugh being withdrawn through injury, they can't afford to start losing any more backs either.
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Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.
Cue the gaslight brigade. Galway were just about worthy winners and even without the red card, I think they would have got over the line. But we have to call out poor decisions and lazy reporting.
I would have the red card as a major factor, the main reason Tyrone lost was that crazy "tackle". Galway were not going well Saturday and were distinctly unimpressive in general. Had Tyrone kept 15 on the pitch they could have easily got at least a draw if not better from the game.
You can take a running jump with your "gaslight brigade" drivel though, I don't appreciate any of the connotations, wherever you are trying to go with it.
I have been on this platform for over 20 years and whilst I respect differing views, reading some of the stuff over the last few pages the tenor of the posts was distantly veering into "Gough rode us sideways and gave the opposition everything" side of things. I've no issue with complaints about the referee (and certainly not Gough) but the tone of the posts was the Gough was brutal hard on Tyrone to the point where it decided the game or that past dealings with Gough meant that Tyrone were at some disadvantage that Galway didn't have to deal with. There is no debate on the red. The black for Morgan is one thing and was harsh undoubtedly in light of what goes on in every match, but trying to bring some form of a false equivalence with Ian Burke's tackle to the Burns red, or to the couple of first half incidents while Galway were on the attack that were hardly frees at all, not to mind allegedly black cards, is laughable. Some of the pointed Tyrone 2nd half frees, which as Manning18 has rightly pointed out, were frees that were soft as f**k. The Daly one in particular was a joke of the highest order. The clearest black card offence of the day happened to Tierney directly in front of Gough and he did nothing.
You can complain about Gough all ye want but when someone calls out what sounds like whinging as whinging, don't be coming with out with this "gaslight" bullshit.
If we are talking about protecting players is that tackle of Burke's not a borderline red too? The tv cameras were far away but at game it was a dangerous heavy tackle around the neck. I thought something was brought out a few years ago to try and cut these type of challenges out.
No I didn't think it was a red at the time, watched it back there would have thought a yellow card was sufficient. Would have been a really harsh red if given and I wonder would it have been shouted for so vociferously if both sides were still at 15 each? It's nowhere near equivalent to the Burns red in any case.
https://twitter.com/MatadorIrish/status/1660573514150100993?s=20
This nonsense on Twitter seems to be the vibe from Tyrone "die hards" by the looks of it, I thought Tyrone were better than the likes of this but clearly I was wrong. You'd swear this was a Cormac Reilly 2014-esque ref performance or something. Maybe better to blame the ref for all current ills rather than wonder why a result, even with numerical disadvantage, couldn't be got against opposition that really underperformed and played one of their worst games so far this year.
I'm referring to "only reason Tyrone lost was the ref." comment. Nobody said that or implied it. I truly believe that Galway would have won this 15 on 15. But, rightfully or wrongfully to me Gough did us no favours there with a good few other decisions. You seem to be counterwhinging the perceived whinge.
Counterwhinging, gaslighting. Anymore word nonsense you want to bring to the party?
Word-nonsense ;D
Quote from: Manning18 on May 22, 2023, 03:47:21 PM
People do realize that Jack Glynn has a suspected broken jaw? Burns may with that one action have ended the lads full summer. How on earth can there not be a punishment for it?
Everyone loves the big fair shoulder to shoulder hit. But it's been fairly clear for years now that if you dont time and make the connection perfectly accurately, you're going to be off
I'm not a fan of the big 'hit' if it's dangerous and Burns has sailed close before, like the Kerry semi 2021. If that was mis-timed it would be dangerous but it wasn't and was deemed a good hit. Tom Cuniffe breaking Harte's collar bone 2013, also a good 'hit'. Should be consistent straight reds for these and ref should be assisted by tv replay.
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People do realize that Jack Glynn has a suspected broken jaw? Burns may with that one action have ended the lads full summer. How on earth can there not be a punishment for it?
Everyone loves the big fair shoulder to shoulder hit. But it's been fairly clear for years now that if you dont time and make the connection perfectly accurately, you're going to be off
It was a crazy "tackle". He was close to shoulder to shoulder challenge as I am to the moon. He got it wrong. It was dangerous and high. Straight red all day long. Ref got this call 100% right, even if I felt some marginal calls went against Tyrone.
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Burns was definately a red.
Morgan black was a strange one, would love to know the reason for it. If it was for backchatting the ref, surely that's a yellow.
Galway were flat, perhaps the conditions didnt suit them.
If Tyrone had watched the discipline they could have turned Galway over.
Hard to see Galway play so badly again.
Credit to Tyrone, certainly did improve from the last time out. Tyrone v Armagh is mouth watering now because up until this game I fully expected Armagh to win comfortably.
I thought this too. Tyrone could have got something in this game if burns had stayed on but he absolutely had to go.
They will still not be easy beat.
It's hard to see Armagh beating Tyrone
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Burns was definately a red.
Morgan black was a strange one, would love to know the reason for it. If it was for backchatting the ref, surely that's a yellow.
Galway were flat, perhaps the conditions didnt suit them.
If Tyrone had watched the discipline they could have turned Galway over.
Hard to see Galway play so badly again.
Credit to Tyrone, certainly did improve from the last time out. Tyrone v Armagh is mouth watering now because up until this game I fully expected Armagh to win comfortably.
I thought this too. Tyrone could have got something in this game if burns had stayed on but he absolutely had to go.
They will still not be easy beat.
It's hard to see Armagh beating Tyrone
Really? Was the kick of the ball between them in the league and Armagh were missing Rian O'Neill and Murnin who has been in top 3 players this year went off injured after 15/20 minutes. Tyrone capitulated in the second half against Monaghan who were subsequently hammered in the next game and Tyrone then put up a gallant showing against Galway with 14 men. While their may be a kick in Tyrone to say it's hard to see Armagh beating them is a bit short sighted. I think its very much a 50/50 game. If Armagh beat Westmeath which they should do the pressure will be on Tyrone also given that they could potentially be 0 and 2 and going into a knock out game of sorts with Westmeath in last game.
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Burns was definately a red.
Morgan black was a strange one, would love to know the reason for it. If it was for backchatting the ref, surely that's a yellow.
Galway were flat, perhaps the conditions didnt suit them.
If Tyrone had watched the discipline they could have turned Galway over.
Hard to see Galway play so badly again.
Credit to Tyrone, certainly did improve from the last time out. Tyrone v Armagh is mouth watering now because up until this game I fully expected Armagh to win comfortably.
I thought this too. Tyrone could have got something in this game if burns had stayed on but he absolutely had to go.
They will still not be easy beat.
It's hard to see Armagh beating Tyrone
Really? Was the kick of the ball between them in the league and Armagh were missing Rian O'Neill and Murnin who has been in top 3 players this year went off injured after 15/20 minutes. Tyrone capitulated in the second half against Monaghan who were subsequently hammered in the next game and Tyrone then put up a gallant showing against Galway with 14 men. While their may be a kick in Tyrone to say it's hard to see Armagh beating them is a bit short sighted. I think its very much a 50/50 game. If Armagh beat Westmeath which they should do the pressure will be on Tyrone also given that they could potentially be 0 and 2 and going into a knock out game of sorts with Westmeath in last game.
I don't think Tyrone's Ulster championship form is relevant. Armagh are a work in progress. And Tyrone will beat Westmeath regardless of what happens in the second match.
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Burns was definately a red.
Morgan black was a strange one, would love to know the reason for it. If it was for backchatting the ref, surely that's a yellow.
Galway were flat, perhaps the conditions didnt suit them.
If Tyrone had watched the discipline they could have turned Galway over.
Hard to see Galway play so badly again.
Credit to Tyrone, certainly did improve from the last time out. Tyrone v Armagh is mouth watering now because up until this game I fully expected Armagh to win comfortably.
I thought this too. Tyrone could have got something in this game if burns had stayed on but he absolutely had to go.
They will still not be easy beat.
It's hard to see Armagh beating Tyrone
Really? Was the kick of the ball between them in the league and Armagh were missing Rian O'Neill and Murnin who has been in top 3 players this year went off injured after 15/20 minutes. Tyrone capitulated in the second half against Monaghan who were subsequently hammered in the next game and Tyrone then put up a gallant showing against Galway with 14 men. While their may be a kick in Tyrone to say it's hard to see Armagh beating them is a bit short sighted. I think its very much a 50/50 game. If Armagh beat Westmeath which they should do the pressure will be on Tyrone also given that they could potentially be 0 and 2 and going into a knock out game of sorts with Westmeath in last game.
Two advantages for Tyrone in the round 2 match.
1. Match in Healy Park
2. Tyrone have two weeks to prepare/rest for the match and it will be Armagh's 2nd match in two weeks.