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Kicking this one off, anyone know where this is being played?
Armagh?

Monaghan are 7/4.

Thought a venue would already have been announced. I'd say it will most likely be in Armagh - same as last year. Could be in Omagh but not sure if Monaghan playing their last game there has any impact on that.

Didn't realise Kearns & McAnespie are out this year - travelling. 2 quality players and a big loss. Derry by 4!

Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on April 19, 2023, 04:24:46 PM
Thought a venue would already have been announced. I'd say it will most likely be in Armagh - same as last year. Could be in Omagh but not sure if Monaghan playing their last game there has any impact on that.

It's in Omagh.

Under 20 final is fixed for the Wednesday night before the game.
Can't see Rory being impressed with that.

Although it does impact Down as well. As their game with Donegal is on Sunday.

I'm licking my palms in anticipation.

Quote from: Estimator on April 19, 2023, 07:55:26 PM
Under 20 final is fixed for the Wednesday night before the game.
Can't see Rory being impressed with that.

Although it does impact Down as well. As their game with Donegal is on Sunday.

McEvoy will play for the seniors!!

Quote from: Estimator on April 19, 2023, 07:55:26 PM
Under 20 final is fixed for the Wednesday night before the game.
Can't see Rory being impressed with that.

Although it does impact Down as well. As their game with Donegal is on Sunday.

Many Down U20s on the senior panel?

Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2023, 12:34:39 AM

Quote from: Estimator on April 19, 2023, 07:55:26 PM
Under 20 final is fixed for the Wednesday night before the game.
Can't see Rory being impressed with that.

Although it does impact Down as well. As their game with Donegal is on Sunday.

McEvoy will play for the seniors!!

I take it McWilliams is with u20s?
I really hope it's Armagh and not Omagh, better pitch, better venue.

On the one hand I think Derry should win this.
Then on the other, the 2nd half from Monaghan against Tyrone was impressive.
However, I don't think Tyrone were particularly good at any point in that game apart from a few individuals.
Derry won't concede frees in the same way Tyrone did, so it should be more difficult for Monaghan to get scores.

So, I'm going to stick with Derry in a hard fought game, provided we can lock the door and stop conceding goals.
Derry by 3.

Quote from: tbrick18 on April 20, 2023, 09:49:10 AM

Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2023, 12:34:39 AM

Quote from: Estimator on April 19, 2023, 07:55:26 PM
Under 20 final is fixed for the Wednesday night before the game.
Can't see Rory being impressed with that.

Although it does impact Down as well. As their game with Donegal is on Sunday.

McEvoy will play for the seniors!!

I take it McWilliams is with u20s?
I really hope it's Armagh and not Omagh, better pitch, better venue.

Oisin? He'd be too old, about 22/23.
Senior game is down for Omagh.

Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2023, 12:44:39 AM

Quote from: Estimator on April 19, 2023, 07:55:26 PM
Under 20 final is fixed for the Wednesday night before the game.
Can't see Rory being impressed with that.

Although it does impact Down as well. As their game with Donegal is on Sunday.

Many Down U20s on the senior panel?

Odhran Murdock will be playing with the seniors this weekend rather than the U20s according to the Irish News
I'd assume McEvoy and maybe Murray could be held for the Derry seniors, with Doherty, Downey and O'Donnell playing for the U20s.

Quote from: Estimator on April 20, 2023, 10:29:08 AM

Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2023, 12:44:39 AM

Quote from: Estimator on April 19, 2023, 07:55:26 PM
Under 20 final is fixed for the Wednesday night before the game.
Can't see Rory being impressed with that.

Although it does impact Down as well. As their game with Donegal is on Sunday.

Many Down U20s on the senior panel?

Odhran Murdock will be playing with the seniors this weekend rather than the U20s according to the Irish News
I'd assume McEvoy and maybe Murray could be held for the Derry seniors, with Doherty, Downey and O'Donnell playing for the U20s.

Why can the lads not play with the U20's on Wednesday night then rest until the week-end of the senior game?

Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2023, 10:43:11 AM

Quote from: Estimator on April 20, 2023, 10:29:08 AM

Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2023, 12:44:39 AM

Quote from: Estimator on April 19, 2023, 07:55:26 PM
Under 20 final is fixed for the Wednesday night before the game.
Can't see Rory being impressed with that.

Although it does impact Down as well. As their game with Donegal is on Sunday.

Many Down U20s on the senior panel?

Odhran Murdock will be playing with the seniors this weekend rather than the U20s according to the Irish News
I'd assume McEvoy and maybe Murray could be held for the Derry seniors, with Doherty, Downey and O'Donnell playing for the U20s.

Why can the lads not play with the U20's on Wednesday night then rest until the week-end of the senior game?

That would sensible thing. I never understand it. You are as likely to get injured in training as a match.

Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2023, 10:43:11 AM

Quote from: Estimator on April 20, 2023, 10:29:08 AM

Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2023, 12:44:39 AM

Quote from: Estimator on April 19, 2023, 07:55:26 PM
Under 20 final is fixed for the Wednesday night before the game.
Can't see Rory being impressed with that.

Although it does impact Down as well. As their game with Donegal is on Sunday.

Many Down U20s on the senior panel?

Odhran Murdock will be playing with the seniors this weekend rather than the U20s according to the Irish News
I'd assume McEvoy and maybe Murray could be held for the Derry seniors, with Doherty, Downey and O'Donnell playing for the U20s.

Why can the lads not play with the U20's on Wednesday night then rest until the week-end of the senior game?

There's a rule in place that they can't play both in a 7-day window. Agreed common sense should allow them to play in both.

Quote from: oakleaflad on April 20, 2023, 10:50:55 AM

Quote from: marty34 on April 20, 2023, 10:43:11 AM

Quote from: Estimator on April 20, 2023, 10:29:08 AM

Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2023, 12:44:39 AM

Quote from: Estimator on April 19, 2023, 07:55:26 PM
Under 20 final is fixed for the Wednesday night before the game.
Can't see Rory being impressed with that.

Although it does impact Down as well. As their game with Donegal is on Sunday.

Many Down U20s on the senior panel?

Odhran Murdock will be playing with the seniors this weekend rather than the U20s according to the Irish News
I'd assume McEvoy and maybe Murray could be held for the Derry seniors, with Doherty, Downey and O'Donnell playing for the U20s.

Why can the lads not play with the U20's on Wednesday night then rest until the week-end of the senior game?

There's a rule in place that they can't play both in a 7-day window. Agreed common sense should allow them to play in both.

They'll be training flat out with Gallagher's senior squad so it doesn't make sense.

Silly rule by the elite in CP.

 Healy Park the venue 5pm throw in.

Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2023, 02:49:53 PM
Healy Park the venue 5pm throw in.

Personally I'd rather have Armagh, but I suppose Omagh is a bit more central.

Quote from: tbrick18 on April 20, 2023, 02:58:43 PM

Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2023, 02:49:53 PM
Healy Park the venue 5pm throw in.

Personally I'd rather have Armagh, but I suppose Omagh is a bit more central.

It's not like you don't have happy recent memories therein like!  :P

When are tickets out for the match? Would have preferred Armagh. Even though Derry done alright last year in Healy ;)

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 20, 2023, 05:29:29 PM

Quote from: tbrick18 on April 20, 2023, 02:58:43 PM

Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2023, 02:49:53 PM
Healy Park the venue 5pm throw in.

Personally I'd rather have Armagh, but I suppose Omagh is a bit more central.

It's not like you don't have happy recent memories therein like!  :P

True  ;D

I personally prefer Armagh for watching a game. Parking is a bit easier too imo.
We've done ok there recently too :)

Healy park a heavy pitch, Armagh lot better.

I reckon every team left in Ulster will fancy their chances of winning.

The closer we get to this game, the more nervous I get. Derry won last year, but not by that much and this is a fresh look Monaghan team on the bounce with new management.
Could go to extra time.

Hopefully Derry get close to peaking and close the door on the goals, if they do I'd be hopeful of a win. But there's no room for mistakes this time out.

Whats the story with tickets?

Only terrace available, no stand tickets?

Quote from: southderryman on April 24, 2023, 10:17:41 PM
Whats the story with tickets?

Only terrace available, no stand tickets?

I know that it comes as a shock to Derry people, but sometimes a lot of people go to games and the stand is full.

Quote from: armaghniac on April 24, 2023, 10:29:20 PM

Quote from: southderryman on April 24, 2023, 10:17:41 PM
Whats the story with tickets?

Only terrace available, no stand tickets?

I know that it comes as a shock to Derry people, but sometimes a lot of people go to games and the stand is full.

not really any need for the snide comment

The tickets only went on sale today (as far as i know) and there wasnt the option for stand tickets. I would imagine its too tight a turnaround to issue them via clubs so was just wondering where theyd gone to. Hopefully someone with a bit more manners knows

Quote from: southderryman on April 24, 2023, 11:16:41 PM

Quote from: armaghniac on April 24, 2023, 10:29:20 PM

Quote from: southderryman on April 24, 2023, 10:17:41 PM
Whats the story with tickets?

Only terrace available, no stand tickets?

I know that it comes as a shock to Derry people, but sometimes a lot of people go to games and the stand is full.

not really any need for the snide comment

The tickets only went on sale today (as far as i know) and there wasnt the option for stand tickets. I would imagine its too tight a turnaround to issue them via clubs so was just wondering where theyd gone to. Hopefully someone with a bit more manners knows

Tickets for the stand are being allocated through clubs. Terrace tickets are all through our old friend Tickermaster.

Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on April 25, 2023, 12:06:42 AM

Quote from: southderryman on April 24, 2023, 11:16:41 PM

Quote from: armaghniac on April 24, 2023, 10:29:20 PM

Quote from: southderryman on April 24, 2023, 10:17:41 PM
Whats the story with tickets?

Only terrace available, no stand tickets?

I know that it comes as a shock to Derry people, but sometimes a lot of people go to games and the stand is full.

not really any need for the snide comment

The tickets only went on sale today (as far as i know) and there wasnt the option for stand tickets. I would imagine its too tight a turnaround to issue them via clubs so was just wondering where theyd gone to. Hopefully someone with a bit more manners knows

Tickets for the stand are being allocated through clubs. Terrace tickets are all through our old friend Tickermaster.

This hasn't been well advertised by Derry Clubs. Only a couple that I'd follow on social media have actually stated that they have received a small amount (25, according to one club) of stand tickets. And as members you'd would have had to have your name with them yesterday if you wanted to be in the draw to get them.
I would assume that Season Tickets holders would also get preference for the stand tickets as well.

The strategy for Monaghan is obviously going to have to be to injure at least 3 Derry players and wait for the subs ...

Will Mcanespie or Ward be available for monaghan? I read somewhere mcanespie has cut short his travels
Either would be a huge boost

Derry have a propensity to make a fast start. Its a good habit for them, and it lends itself well to their counter attacking gameplan
Monaghan will need to put a big emphasis on the start. Last year the game was over after 25 mins. For the remainder of the game they were actually the better side

If i was Vinny Corey id definitely be looking at the Derry full back line, quite small and suspect under a high ball. Monaghan have the tools to test that.
Also if Monaghan can successfully block the runners, mirror up to Derrys mass defence system, make this a turgid affair, they actually have better individual forwards & free taking options than Derry do.
Id fancy them to squeeze this one.

Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on April 25, 2023, 12:06:42 AM

Quote from: southderryman on April 24, 2023, 11:16:41 PM

Quote from: armaghniac on April 24, 2023, 10:29:20 PM

Quote from: southderryman on April 24, 2023, 10:17:41 PM
Whats the story with tickets?

Only terrace available, no stand tickets?

I know that it comes as a shock to Derry people, but sometimes a lot of people go to games and the stand is full.

not really any need for the snide comment

The tickets only went on sale today (as far as i know) and there wasnt the option for stand tickets. I would imagine its too tight a turnaround to issue them via clubs so was just wondering where theyd gone to. Hopefully someone with a bit more manners knows

Tickets for the stand are being allocated through clubs. Terrace tickets are all through our old friend Tickermaster.

wasnt aware at all, didnt see any mention of it on the club socials. Thanks

Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2023, 11:00:11 AM
Will Mcanespie or Ward be available for monaghan? I read somewhere mcanespie has cut short his travels
Either would be a huge boost

Derry have a propensity to make a fast start. Its a good habit for them, and it lends itself well to their counter attacking gameplan
Monaghan will need to put a big emphasis on the start. Last year the game was over after 25 mins. For the remainder of the game they were actually the better side

If i was Vinny Corey id definitely be looking at the Derry full back line, quite small and suspect under a high ball. Monaghan have the tools to test that.
Also if Monaghan can successfully block the runners, mirror up to Derrys mass defence system, make this a turgid affair, they actually have better individual forwards & free taking options than Derry do.
Id fancy them to squeeze this one.

McKaigue and McEvoy are both well over 6ft. The former was missing (along with Glass) during the goal fests of the last 2 games. Name a full back line in the country that deals well with a high ball or Con in the mood!

Are Derry good enough to win 2 in a row ?

Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2023, 12:16:38 PM
Are Derry good enough to win 2 in a row ?

Yes

Sean Hurson down to referee the game.

Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 25, 2023, 12:09:10 PM

Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2023, 11:00:11 AM
Will Mcanespie or Ward be available for monaghan? I read somewhere mcanespie has cut short his travels
Either would be a huge boost

Derry have a propensity to make a fast start. Its a good habit for them, and it lends itself well to their counter attacking gameplan
Monaghan will need to put a big emphasis on the start. Last year the game was over after 25 mins. For the remainder of the game they were actually the better side

If i was Vinny Corey id definitely be looking at the Derry full back line, quite small and suspect under a high ball. Monaghan have the tools to test that.
Also if Monaghan can successfully block the runners, mirror up to Derrys mass defence system, make this a turgid affair, they actually have better individual forwards & free taking options than Derry do.
Id fancy them to squeeze this one.

McKaigue and McEvoy are both well over 6ft. The former was missing (along with Glass) during the goal fests of the last 2 games. Name a full back line in the country that deals well with a high ball or Con in the mood!

McEvoy is 19 or 20. He is an outstanding prospect, albeit completely untested at this point

McKaigue played most of his career at 6, and has successfully transitioned to a tough man marker role in his twilight years.
Yet to see him claim a high ball.

The goalkeeper is definitely there to be got at.

Mc Kaigue was never a county number 6. Him being played there reflected our poor quality for a number of years. He is and should have been played every season in the full back line where he is excellent.

Quote from: shawshank on April 25, 2023, 03:39:16 PM
Mc Kaigue was never a county number 6. Him being played there reflected our poor quality for a number of years. He is and should have been played every season in the full back line where he is excellent.

100%

He did play in the full back line earlier in his county career. Was never a half back at county level, but excellent in that full back line.

That being said, he has had a recent injury and didnt look fully fit against Fermanagh. He was certainly caught for pace a few times.
Hopefully another couple of weeks recovery will have him in a better place.
A full 70 out of Glass too will be important as he's extremely important to the Derry defence.

Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2023, 03:37:14 PM

Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 25, 2023, 12:09:10 PM

Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2023, 11:00:11 AM
Will Mcanespie or Ward be available for monaghan? I read somewhere mcanespie has cut short his travels
Either would be a huge boost

Derry have a propensity to make a fast start. Its a good habit for them, and it lends itself well to their counter attacking gameplan
Monaghan will need to put a big emphasis on the start. Last year the game was over after 25 mins. For the remainder of the game they were actually the better side

If i was Vinny Corey id definitely be looking at the Derry full back line, quite small and suspect under a high ball. Monaghan have the tools to test that.
Also if Monaghan can successfully block the runners, mirror up to Derrys mass defence system, make this a turgid affair, they actually have better individual forwards & free taking options than Derry do.
Id fancy them to squeeze this one.

McKaigue and McEvoy are both well over 6ft. The former was missing (along with Glass) during the goal fests of the last 2 games. Name a full back line in the country that deals well with a high ball or Con in the mood!

McEvoy is 19 or 20. He is an outstanding prospect, albeit completely untested at this point

McKaigue played most of his career at 6, and has successfully transitioned to a tough man marker role in his twilight years.
Yet to see him claim a high ball.

The goalkeeper is definitely there to be got at.

I'm not sure why there is this perception that Odhran Lynch is dodgy. He has been rock solid this year. He made one mistake last year against Galway. No other keeper is asked to play as risky a game as him - he's just following Gallaghers orders. I'm sure he doesn't choose to play half forward in opposition kick out.

Quote from: Mario on April 25, 2023, 04:11:54 PM

Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2023, 03:37:14 PM

Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 25, 2023, 12:09:10 PM

Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2023, 11:00:11 AM
Will Mcanespie or Ward be available for monaghan? I read somewhere mcanespie has cut short his travels
Either would be a huge boost

Derry have a propensity to make a fast start. Its a good habit for them, and it lends itself well to their counter attacking gameplan
Monaghan will need to put a big emphasis on the start. Last year the game was over after 25 mins. For the remainder of the game they were actually the better side

If i was Vinny Corey id definitely be looking at the Derry full back line, quite small and suspect under a high ball. Monaghan have the tools to test that.
Also if Monaghan can successfully block the runners, mirror up to Derrys mass defence system, make this a turgid affair, they actually have better individual forwards & free taking options than Derry do.
Id fancy them to squeeze this one.

McKaigue and McEvoy are both well over 6ft. The former was missing (along with Glass) during the goal fests of the last 2 games. Name a full back line in the country that deals well with a high ball or Con in the mood!

McEvoy is 19 or 20. He is an outstanding prospect, albeit completely untested at this point

McKaigue played most of his career at 6, and has successfully transitioned to a tough man marker role in his twilight years.
Yet to see him claim a high ball.

The goalkeeper is definitely there to be got at.

I'm not sure why there is this perception that Odhran Lynch is dodgy. He has been rock solid this year. He made one mistake last year against Galway. No other keeper is asked to play as risky a game as him - he's just following Gallaghers orders. I'm sure he doesn't choose to play half forward in opposition kick out.

It's a lack of understanding of the way Derry play.
Lynch has been excellent last year and this year, one of our best players in my opinion. Kickouts are 1st class and his out field play brings so much to our attack and to our opposition kickout strategy.

Quote from: tbrick18 on April 25, 2023, 04:14:17 PM

Quote from: Mario on April 25, 2023, 04:11:54 PM

Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2023, 03:37:14 PM

Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 25, 2023, 12:09:10 PM

Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2023, 11:00:11 AM
Will Mcanespie or Ward be available for monaghan? I read somewhere mcanespie has cut short his travels
Either would be a huge boost

Derry have a propensity to make a fast start. Its a good habit for them, and it lends itself well to their counter attacking gameplan
Monaghan will need to put a big emphasis on the start. Last year the game was over after 25 mins. For the remainder of the game they were actually the better side

If i was Vinny Corey id definitely be looking at the Derry full back line, quite small and suspect under a high ball. Monaghan have the tools to test that.
Also if Monaghan can successfully block the runners, mirror up to Derrys mass defence system, make this a turgid affair, they actually have better individual forwards & free taking options than Derry do.
Id fancy them to squeeze this one.

McKaigue and McEvoy are both well over 6ft. The former was missing (along with Glass) during the goal fests of the last 2 games. Name a full back line in the country that deals well with a high ball or Con in the mood!

McEvoy is 19 or 20. He is an outstanding prospect, albeit completely untested at this point

McKaigue played most of his career at 6, and has successfully transitioned to a tough man marker role in his twilight years.
Yet to see him claim a high ball.

The goalkeeper is definitely there to be got at.

I'm not sure why there is this perception that Odhran Lynch is dodgy. He has been rock solid this year. He made one mistake last year against Galway. No other keeper is asked to play as risky a game as him - he's just following Gallaghers orders. I'm sure he doesn't choose to play half forward in opposition kick out.

It's a lack of understanding of the way Derry play.
Lynch has been excellent last year and this year, one of our best players in my opinion. Kickouts are 1st class and his out field play brings so much to our attack and to our opposition kickout strategy.

There definitely a lack of understanding. Some say we are the most defensive team in the country but our keeper presses kickouts. Someone above said we play a counter attacking style but others talk about our slow methodical build up. I think people just see Gallagher and think Donegal early 2010s. That's usually what the analysis is from southern pundits.

Am I right in saying the loser of this game will be a 3rd seed in the group stages?

I'd agree with the points on Lynch.

In the SF game against Galway he was certainly v far up the pitch, but he wasn't the player who lost the ball for Comers 2nd goal.

Fermanagh launched 3 high balls into the square against Derry in the first half, Lynch claimed two of them and the other was broken by McKaigue (I think).

The two goals in the second half although poorly defended, weren't actually high balls into the square, both were shots, first one blocked and deflected towards goal and the second one was badly off target.

Was close enough to the Derry dugout and could hear RG shouting instructions in the first half when he felt that Fermanagh were gonna use that tactic, he was gettin Lynch off his line, and ready to claim the ball as it came in.

Dessie Ward will be on the bench most likely, but the game will come too soon for McAnespie who has indeed returned. This is a big tactical test for Monaghan's management- how do you go about setting up against GAA's best catenaccio? Last year saw Derry repeatedly pick off a leggy Monaghan team by turning good turnovers into goals. Derry have honed and added to that gameplan since, but you would wonder have Monaghan made the same progress? Their win against Tyrone came about somewhat because Tyrone ran out of steam in midfield- this will not happen Derry.
As regards team selection, Monaghan can't afford to have Jack McCarron and McManus on the pitch at the same time against Derry. To do so would risk their defence being overrun on counterattacks. Corey will have to go with pace all the way up front. In fact Carey, Kieran Hughes, Mohan, Jack and McManus all started in the forwards last year- only room for one of these this time around.

Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2023, 12:16:38 PM
Are Derry good enough to win 2 in a row ?

Remains to be seen. The pressure of expectations compared to this time last year. Haven't reached 2 in a row Ulster finals since the late 90s and haven't won two in row Ulster titles since the mid 70s.

Up against experienced outfit who are confident after retaining Division 1 status and taking Tyrone out. 2/1 odds looks like a decent value bet.

Quote from: Mario on April 25, 2023, 04:18:52 PM

Quote from: tbrick18 on April 25, 2023, 04:14:17 PM

Quote from: Mario on April 25, 2023, 04:11:54 PM

Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2023, 03:37:14 PM

Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 25, 2023, 12:09:10 PM

Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2023, 11:00:11 AM
Will Mcanespie or Ward be available for monaghan? I read somewhere mcanespie has cut short his travels
Either would be a huge boost

Derry have a propensity to make a fast start. Its a good habit for them, and it lends itself well to their counter attacking gameplan
Monaghan will need to put a big emphasis on the start. Last year the game was over after 25 mins. For the remainder of the game they were actually the better side

If i was Vinny Corey id definitely be looking at the Derry full back line, quite small and suspect under a high ball. Monaghan have the tools to test that.
Also if Monaghan can successfully block the runners, mirror up to Derrys mass defence system, make this a turgid affair, they actually have better individual forwards & free taking options than Derry do.
Id fancy them to squeeze this one.

McKaigue and McEvoy are both well over 6ft. The former was missing (along with Glass) during the goal fests of the last 2 games. Name a full back line in the country that deals well with a high ball or Con in the mood!

McEvoy is 19 or 20. He is an outstanding prospect, albeit completely untested at this point

McKaigue played most of his career at 6, and has successfully transitioned to a tough man marker role in his twilight years.
Yet to see him claim a high ball.

The goalkeeper is definitely there to be got at.

I'm not sure why there is this perception that Odhran Lynch is dodgy. He has been rock solid this year. He made one mistake last year against Galway. No other keeper is asked to play as risky a game as him - he's just following Gallaghers orders. I'm sure he doesn't choose to play half forward in opposition kick out.

It's a lack of understanding of the way Derry play.
Lynch has been excellent last year and this year, one of our best players in my opinion. Kickouts are 1st class and his out field play brings so much to our attack and to our opposition kickout strategy.

There definitely a lack of understanding. Some say we are the most defensive team in the country but our keeper presses kickouts. Someone above said we play a counter attacking style but others talk about our slow methodical build up. I think people just see Gallagher and think Donegal early 2010s. That's usually what the analysis is from southern pundits.

Yeah I'd agree.
I've no issue with others not understanding how derry play, can only benefit us.

Watching Galway last weekend, they set up the same way derry do. No talk critical of their style, only that they are AI contenders.
There's certainly selective analysis from some.
But like I said, happy enough to be misunderstood 🙂.

Quote from: tbrick18 on April 25, 2023, 10:02:32 PM

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Quote from: Mario on April 25, 2023, 04:11:54 PM

Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2023, 03:37:14 PM

Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 25, 2023, 12:09:10 PM

Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2023, 11:00:11 AM
Will Mcanespie or Ward be available for monaghan? I read somewhere mcanespie has cut short his travels
Either would be a huge boost

Derry have a propensity to make a fast start. Its a good habit for them, and it lends itself well to their counter attacking gameplan
Monaghan will need to put a big emphasis on the start. Last year the game was over after 25 mins. For the remainder of the game they were actually the better side

If i was Vinny Corey id definitely be looking at the Derry full back line, quite small and suspect under a high ball. Monaghan have the tools to test that.
Also if Monaghan can successfully block the runners, mirror up to Derrys mass defence system, make this a turgid affair, they actually have better individual forwards & free taking options than Derry do.
Id fancy them to squeeze this one.

McKaigue and McEvoy are both well over 6ft. The former was missing (along with Glass) during the goal fests of the last 2 games. Name a full back line in the country that deals well with a high ball or Con in the mood!

McEvoy is 19 or 20. He is an outstanding prospect, albeit completely untested at this point

McKaigue played most of his career at 6, and has successfully transitioned to a tough man marker role in his twilight years.
Yet to see him claim a high ball.

The goalkeeper is definitely there to be got at.

I'm not sure why there is this perception that Odhran Lynch is dodgy. He has been rock solid this year. He made one mistake last year against Galway. No other keeper is asked to play as risky a game as him - he's just following Gallaghers orders. I'm sure he doesn't choose to play half forward in opposition kick out.

It's a lack of understanding of the way Derry play.
Lynch has been excellent last year and this year, one of our best players in my opinion. Kickouts are 1st class and his out field play brings so much to our attack and to our opposition kickout strategy.

There definitely a lack of understanding. Some say we are the most defensive team in the country but our keeper presses kickouts. Someone above said we play a counter attacking style but others talk about our slow methodical build up. I think people just see Gallagher and think Donegal early 2010s. That's usually what the analysis is from southern pundits.

Yeah I'd agree.
I've no issue with others not understanding how derry play, can only benefit us.

Watching Galway last weekend, they set up the same way derry do. No talk critical of their style, only that they are AI contenders.
There's certainly selective analysis from some.
But like I said, happy enough to be misunderstood 🙂.

I've said many times on here, all counties setup the same way (except Meath). You'll get the odd toe to toe like the 2nd half in Healy Pk last week, though these games usually involve a  Mayo side clawing their way back into a game in the 2nd half right enough.

Won't play a part in this game, but McAnespie being home is massive for Monaghan for the later games to come, class player. Pity he wasn't ready for Derry as his engine is exactly what's needed in a game like this

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/04/26/conor-glass-the-gaa-didnt-handle-it-very-well-at-all-but-ive-come-to-accept-it/

Conor Glass: 'The GAA didn't handle it very well at all ... but I've come to accept it'
Derryman says he will be available to face Monaghan in Sunday's Ulster semi-final

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Conor Glass says this year's All-Ireland club senior football title will always be tarnished because of the controversy that engulfed the final between Glen and Kilmacud Crokes.
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Wed Apr 26 2023 - 06:00

Conor Glass believes Glen and Kilmacud Crokes were let down by the GAA's handling of the fallout from January's All-Ireland club senior football final.

Crokes won the game, 1-11 to 1-9, but the outcome was engulfed in controversy as the Dublin champions briefly had too many players on the field during the closing seconds of the encounter.

In the days that followed a vacuum of uncertainty grew because no decisive ruling was forthcoming from Croke Park officials, so the saga rumbled onwards until Glen eventually withdrew their appeal.

"Everyone was let down by it," says Glass. "The GAA didn't handle it very well at all."


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While the Derry midfielder believes there were no real winners from the affair, he remains strong in his conviction that rules were broken and remembers in the days after the match hoping a replay would be awarded.

"[Kilmacud] broke the rules," he says. "The rules are there for a reason and if you break them and we're entitled to a replay, so be it. If they had beat us the second day we'd have accepted that as well, but the rules are there for a reason.

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"I wanted the replay. When I was on the bus on the way home I wanted the replay, 100 per cent, and the rest of the team was the same. The management was like that, the whole club was like that.

"But the more it dragged on, the more it started to fade off. Emmett Bradley was getting married three weeks later, boys had holidays planned, so the longer it went on the less emotional I was about it and I was happy enough to move on. But 10 hours, 12 hours, 24 hours after the game, albeit I was drinking, but I wanted a replay."

However, Glass feels the manner in which the entire drama spun out ensures the result will forever be accompanied by a small-print clarifier – which would have been the case even had Glen won a replay.

"It's tarnished now," he says. "There's an asterisk over it either way. If we had won it, we would have accepted it, but it would have been tarnished. There would have been an asterisk either way. There's an asterisk over it now and there'd be an asterisk over it if we had won [the replay].

"It wasn't ideal circumstances for both the teams. Everyone probably thinks that we were harshly done by, but the whole circumstances, Kilmacud suffered from it too, neither team was going to win from it.

"The GAA probably should have come out, whether it be 24 hours after it or whenever, and said what the result of the game was going to be and what was the way forward. The way it dragged on wasn't ideal.

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"I've come to accept it now and that's why I went back to the Derry set-up, to forget about it and move on."


Half-full: Conor Glass says that although teams will be more wary of Derry this season, his team are stronger than last season. Photograph: Ken Sutton/Inpho
Glass was playing for Derry just one week after the club final, which meant he effectively went from the 2022 intercounty season to a full club campaign and then immediately laced up for Derry's 2023 league.

The physical and mental exertions of not taking a break were probably a contributing factor to the hamstring strain he picked up in the Division Two decider against Dublin earlier this month. He subsequently started Derry's Ulster quarter-final win over Fermanagh, but went off the pitch after 40 minutes of that one-sided affair.

However, he will be available for Derry's Ulster semi-final against Monaghan on Saturday in Omagh, 5pm.

"Yeah, all good. It was more precautionary than anything," he says of leaving the pitch during the Fermanagh game. "It's been a long year, two years, for me, so any chance I can take to get a break I'll try to take it. Thankfully it's all good, I've had a full week's training under my belt now."

Derry have found themselves on a different starting block this year, entering the season as reigning Ulster champions. It has brought its own challenges, switching from the hunter to the hunted.


Rory Gallagher's side are no longer a new act on the support stage, they are instead viewed by many as potential headliners of the main arena.

"We were under the radar last year," says Glass. "We were underdogs for pretty much every game but the Clare one. We probably used that to our advantage last year too.

"Everybody was kind of talking about the opposition team and we could just roll on with it. Last year we did a heap of work on the opposition, we knew every team inside out and that was probably why we got so far.

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"But a lot of the teams in Ireland will be watching us now and what works for us and what doesn't work. So, I guess it's a different sort of year and a different sort of process the way we go about games now.

"But personally, I feel like we're in a better position this year than we were last year. I guess the next couple of weeks will tell that."

Hard to credit (or maybe not) that Conor is still moaning about the aftermath of the AI club final, blaming all and sundry but not for Glen themselves to take any responsibility for their ignorance  about the legal formality that they first must make the objection.
About the game, I have mixed feelings. It's clearly advantagious  for Monaghan to either win Ulster or drop into the third pot alongside our beaten brothers in arms, Tyrone. The provincial runners up  prize is mostly bitter, being placed into the 2nd pot. (I think there's a case that the runners up be in the 3rd or 4th pot)
I can't see Monaghan winning 2 tough games in a row and then playing at top form a week later in the groups, we don't have a squad depth.

Derry conceded 4 goals in the League final. I wonder what Fab Vinnie has up his sleeve.

Quote from: Main Street on April 27, 2023, 05:26:17 PM
Hard to credit (or maybe not) that Conor is still moaning about the aftermath of the AI club final, blaming all and sundry but not for Glen themselves to take any responsibility for their ignorance  about the legal formality that they first must make the objection.
About the game, I have mixed feelings. It's clearly advantagious  for Monaghan to either win Ulster or drop into the third pot alongside our beaten brothers in arms, Tyrone. The provincial runners up  prize is mostly bitter, being placed into the 2nd pot. (I think there's a case that the runners up be in the 3rd or 4th pot)
I can't see Monaghan winning 2 tough games in a row and then playing at top form a week later in the groups, we don't have a squad depth.

I'd say the reporter had to ask Glass about the final as it brooches the subject of him straight into the Derry squad a week or so after it was concluded.

He just gave an opinion and an honest one at that.

Quote from: seafoid on April 27, 2023, 05:56:39 PM
Derry conceded 4 goals in the League final. I wonder what Fab Vinnie has up his sleeve.

1 square ball, 1 very soft penalty and 1 effort at a point that went in top corner. He'll need a lot of luck to replicate that

That would be grand if you weren't incredibly lucky to not concede a few more! Monaghan won't have a con O'Callaghan to rip through your defense though (as he'd do to any defense).

Quote from: Main Street on April 27, 2023, 05:26:17 PM
Hard to credit (or maybe not) that Conor is still moaning about the aftermath of the AI club final, blaming all and sundry but not for Glen themselves to take any responsibility for their ignorance  about the legal formality that they first must make the objection.
About the game, I have mixed feelings. It's clearly advantagious  for Monaghan to either win Ulster or drop into the third pot alongside our beaten brothers in arms, Tyrone. The provincial runners up  prize is mostly bitter, being placed into the 2nd pot. (I think there's a case that the runners up be in the 3rd or 4th pot)
I can't see Monaghan winning 2 tough games in a row and then playing at top form a week later in the groups, we don't have a squad depth.

Would be a two week gap between games for Monaghan should they win this weekend and the Ulster title plus and another two gap to the round 1 group game after the Ulster final.  The real issue down the line for any team lacking in squad depth will be if they finish 2nd or 3rd in the group and reach the All Ireland quarter final. That would be three games in 14 days and up against Quarter final opponent who will have a week off.

Fair play to lynch for following instructions and I genuinely feel sorry for him, but for the most part, his forays out the field have not contributed positively.
He does an excellent job on opposition kick outs, he did play a fine ball in for a goal against Monaghan and likewise contributed against Fermanagh, but kick outs aside, I'd rather he stayed in his own half.
It may be that his outfield role has contributed to the amount of goals ge has conceded as he's not had time to get set properly. On his last 3 visits to croker he has conceded 8 goals, of which 2 vs Clare and 2 vs Dublin should have been dealt with better. Combined with the comer goal (not strictly his fault, but his presence in the half forward line added confusion to the Derry attack imo) and probably Donegal goal in the ulster final and that all adds up to a lot of scores. You'd wonder if there's a net negative or positive overall.
I really don't want to be too negative on him as I believe it's probably a choice of playing that type of game or sit on the bench, but I'd rather he  stayed in goal or at least his own half!

Think we're gonna lay down a marker here. Derry by 6!

Thought Monaghan were quite lucky to get by Tyrone.
Should have been dead and buried by the break. Had to rely on Frees
A good few of which were very soft. Only scored three times from play.
Lucky enough goal at the end to put them through.
I'd say Derry by 6-8 points

Jayzus lads!   ;D hope youse are right!

Derry by more!

Derry team named last night:
Its another example of Gallagher's consistency in picking teams... There are only two personel changes in the starting 15 between the Monaghan semi-final last year and this year.
McEvoy and P Tad replacing S Downey and B Heron.

I don't care what the score is as long as Derry are ahead and we've no injuries!

Monaghan by 2.

Such an incentive to win this game! Theres a case to be made that a team would rather fall into a group as a 3 seed than a 2.

I expect it to go very similar to last year: The better team in Derry should win but wont be easy and will take goals.

Need to get good production from toner and loughlin inside. If not then lachlan murray should be in there. Hope to see mcfaul feature too.

Strange decision to drop Karl OConnell..thought he was brilliant v Tyrone.. ??

Quote from: Onthe40 on April 28, 2023, 11:28:09 AM
Strange decision to drop Karl OConnell..thought he was brilliant v Tyrone.. ??

Not sure that is a starting line up, was sure K Hughes, with his influence in the second half performance against Tyrone, would definitely be starting this week.

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Strange decision to drop Karl OConnell..thought he was brilliant v Tyrone.. ??

Not sure that is a starting line up, was sure K Hughes, with his influence in the second half performance against Tyrone, would definitely be starting this week.

k Hughes hasn't the legs to start

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I don't care what the score is as long as Derry are ahead and we've no injuries!

100%

Personally, I think this game will be a tight affair.
Derry should win, but it would be no major surprise if Monaghan won. They have plenty of runners and energy.
I don't think they will get the frees they got against Tyrone, so they will need to score more from play and it remains to be seen if they can.
Derry, if they play to their potential will close the back door and will have enough different scorers to get over the line.

A tentative, Derry by 3.

Murphy gets it spot on here to be fair to him . . .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/65418835

Monaghan to win this by a point in a low scoring arm wrestle AET. Don't think either side is blessed with squad depth but Monaghan might just have a little bit more.

Quote from: screenexile on April 28, 2023, 12:32:25 PM
Murphy gets it spot on here to be fair to him . . .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/65418835

Analysis of this game aside, Murphy really is very good in terms of analysis and punditry.
I didn't think I'd like him much, but imo he's pick of the bunch right now.

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Quote from: screenexile on April 28, 2023, 12:32:25 PM
Murphy gets it spot on here to be fair to him . . .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/65418835

Analysis of this game aside, Murphy really is very good in terms of analysis and punditry.
I didn't think I'd like him much, but imo he's pick of the bunch right now.

How long before he ends up as Donegal manager?
Besides Letterkenny IT has he been involved in any club management?

Actually fancy Monaghan to cause a wee surprise here, they should understand their mistakes from last year .

Quote from: screenexile on April 28, 2023, 12:32:25 PM
Murphy gets it spot on here to be fair to him . . .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/65418835

So Murphy thinks that if Derry break out and McManus and McCarron decided to hold their position in the FF line that the Derry full back line, sweeper and keeper would run past them and join the breakout? It would be interesting to watch.

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Quote from: screenexile on April 28, 2023, 12:32:25 PM
Murphy gets it spot on here to be fair to him . . .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/65418835

So Murphy thinks that if Derry break out and McManus and McCarron decided to hold their position in the FF line that the Derry full back line, sweeper and keeper would run past them and join the breakout? It would be interesting to watch.

😂😂 good point. I imagine we'd keep one or 2 back in that case... It will mean more room in their defence though which is why teams that have beaten Derry recently have committed all 15 back when Derry have the ball.

I remember the first half of the all Ireland semi last year. It was weird. Derry imposed an extremely tight defence on Galway. It was disciplined and low scoring plus very dull to watch. Are Derry likely to do the same on Sunday ?

A lot will depend on the Derry goalie. Will he stay in position or will he go walkies ? Last year when he did it meant Derry were weak in attack.

Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2023, 06:40:53 PM
I remember the first half of the all Ireland semi last year. It was weird. Derry imposed an extremely tight defence on Galway. It was disciplined and low scoring plus very dull to watch. Are Derry likely to do the same on Sunday ?

Do you really??  ;D

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Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2023, 06:40:53 PM
I remember the first half of the all Ireland semi last year. It was weird. Derry imposed an extremely tight defence on Galway. It was disciplined and low scoring plus very dull to watch. Are Derry likely to do the same on Sunday ?

Do you really??  ;D

I preferred the second half

Monaghan absolutely need to get more pace and running power into their forward line, in a defensive sense as well as to pick open the Derry defence. McCarron and McManus can't play together against this Derry team, and the worry from a Monaghan supporters perspective is that V.Corey's solution will just be to bring Shane Carey in. In fairness, he had a very good impact against Tyrone but I don't think he will give Derry enough to worry about early on. Sean Jones? Off the bench I would think. Woods a huge miss in this regard. Dessie Ward to FF for me if he has the fitness.

Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2023, 07:08:39 PM
A lot will depend on the Derry goalie. Will he stay in position or will he go walkies ? Last year when he did it meant Derry were weak in attack.

He assisted a goal against Monaghan with one of his forays last year!!

I see the commentary is on Northern Sound. Shown on GAAGo - what channel is that on the dodgy firesticks ??   ;D. lol!     ...?

Quote from: Tyrone Split on April 29, 2023, 01:36:58 PM
I see the commentary is on Northern Sound. Shown on GAAGo - what channel is that on the dodgy firesticks ??   ;D. lol!     ...?

It's usually a scrolling match under the GAA section until you find it. ...last week Armagh Cavan was under another fixture name altogether

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Quote from: Tyrone Split on April 29, 2023, 01:36:58 PM
I see the commentary is on Northern Sound. Shown on GAAGo - what channel is that on the dodgy firesticks ??   ;D. lol!     ...?

It's usually a scrolling match under the GAA section until you find it. ...last week Armagh Cavan was under another fixture name altogether

Thanks a million, that'll do. 👍

Another accident on a5 and its closed according to twitter

Quote from: omagh_gael on April 29, 2023, 03:02:28 PM
Another accident on a5 and its closed according to twitter

You're joking me, where are you seeing this?

Edit: Tyrone gaa twitter have it

Quote from: Tyrone Split on April 29, 2023, 01:36:58 PM
I see the commentary is on Northern Sound. Shown on GAAGo - what channel is that on the dodgy firesticks ??   ;D. lol!     ...?

is it not on bbc?

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Quote from: Tyrone Split on April 29, 2023, 01:36:58 PM
I see the commentary is on Northern Sound. Shown on GAAGo - what channel is that on the dodgy firesticks ??   ;D. lol!     ...?

is it not on bbc?

GAAGO for this match.  Armagh v Down live on BBC tomorrow.

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Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 29, 2023, 01:41:54 PM

Quote from: Tyrone Split on April 29, 2023, 01:36:58 PM
I see the commentary is on Northern Sound. Shown on GAAGo - what channel is that on the dodgy firesticks ??   ;D. lol!     ...?

It's usually a scrolling match under the GAA section until you find it. ...last week Armagh Cavan was under another fixture name altogether

Thanks a million, that'll do. 👍

GAA 00

Not showing for me. Will it only come on at 5pm?

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 29, 2023, 04:47:43 PM
Not showing for me. Will it only come on at 5pm?

Coverage started at 16.15. Currently watching on my official gaago app. Throw in has been delayed "a few minutes" according to presenter.

Anyone know where to get gaa go on dodgy box

Hurson's right you're not allowed to rip a ball of someone I always thought anyway.

Gallagher is some fuckin mouthpiece

Biggest cheer thus far for was the yellow card to Rory Gallagher on the side line.

Two remarkable frees by Beggan, when he is on form you cannot give away a free 60m out.
But that's not enough, Derry are getting into the scoring zone in play.

Quote from: Schkite on April 29, 2023, 05:19:28 PM
Gallagher is some fuckin mouthpiece

Yes but it paid off. They've got every 50 50 call since then

Good goal for Monaghan, came from a good kick out.

Great goal for Monaghan.

After such a good start that was the f**king parting of the sea 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

Monaghan goal against the run of play.

Great goal by Karl, need more of that direct running against this defence. Himself and O'Hanlon will be key with their pace. They're at nothing of they play it slow and let Derry get into position

Outrageous point by McGuigan considering the pressure

Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2023, 07:56:51 PM

Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2023, 06:40:53 PM
I remember the first half of the all Ireland semi last year. It was weird. Derry imposed an extremely tight defence on Galway. It was disciplined and low scoring plus very dull to watch. Are Derry likely to do the same on Sunday ?

Do you really??  ;D

He doesn't remember it very well then! Most observers would have said that Galway imposed an extremely tight defence on Derry. It takes 2 to tango, but there's no doubt that Galway set up incredibly defensively for that game.

Goal for Derry, Conor McCluskey took on the Monaghan defence and rewarded.  1-9 to 1-3.

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Quote from: Tyrone Split on April 29, 2023, 01:36:58 PM
I see the commentary is on Northern Sound. Shown on GAAGo - what channel is that on the dodgy firesticks ??   ;D. lol!     ...?

is it not on bbc?

GAAGO for this match.  Armagh v Down live on BBC tomorrow.

Grab All Assocc

Derry aren't going to let Monaghan back into it like Tyrone did.

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Quote from: Tyrone Split on April 29, 2023, 01:36:58 PM
I see the commentary is on Northern Sound. Shown on GAAGo - what channel is that on the dodgy firesticks ??   ;D. lol!     ...?

is it not on bbc?

GAAGO for this match.  Armagh v Down live on BBC tomorrow.

Grab All Assocc

Long way back here for Monaghan
OConnell is their best option but he must have done something to the ref - a couple of really harsh calls against him

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Quote from: Tyrone Split on April 29, 2023, 01:36:58 PM
I see the commentary is on Northern Sound. Shown on GAAGo - what channel is that on the dodgy firesticks ??   ;D. lol!     ...?

is it not on bbc?

GAAGO for this match.  Armagh v Down live on BBC tomorrow.

Grab All Assocc

Yes everything should be free all of the time.  ::)

Half time Derry 1-12 Monaghan 1-5. Half played on Derry's terms.  Tyrone led the last match by 5 points at half time and it's hard to see Derry letting this slip.

Game over!!  ;)

Very professional performance so far (aside from the goal). Monaghan will take heard from the Tyrone performance and Derry won't want to do what Tyrone did.

Even last year Monaghan hit us with a purple patch after half time only for us to get a goal against the run of play to cement it.

Next 10 mins is crucial Derry need to take the sting out of any kind of comeback.

Derry a very good team but will need to tighten up on the leaking of goals. I thought beggan should have saved that goal. Hard to see Monaghan coming back but stranger things have happened.

Quote from: imtommygunn on April 29, 2023, 05:55:59 PM
Derry a very good team but will need to tighten up on the leaking of goals. I thought beggan should have saved that goal. Hard to see Monaghan coming back but stranger things have happened.

McCluskey was only about 5-6 yards, hard to blame goalkeeper for that one.

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Quote from: imtommygunn on April 29, 2023, 05:55:59 PM
Derry a very good team but will need to tighten up on the leaking of goals. I thought beggan should have saved that goal. Hard to see Monaghan coming back but stranger things have happened.

McCluskey was only about 5-6 yards, hard to blame goalkeeper for that one.

McManus was at fault he couldn't handle McCluskeys pace at all

Quote from: imtommygunn on April 29, 2023, 05:55:59 PM
Derry a very good team but will need to tighten up on the leaking of goals. I thought beggan should have saved that goal. Hard to see Monaghan coming back but stranger things have happened.

Made a save but it still flew into the net. The poor effort of a tackle by Conor McManus led to that goal.

45 minutes played Derry 1-15 Monaghan 1-5.  Margin of victory is the only debate here now.

Another goal for Monaghan out of nothing, Derry still having issues on the high balls in.  2-6 to 1-15.

How do we respond to this now!

Also McGuigan was taken clean out there not sure how Hudson missed that!

Purple patch for Monaghan now while Derry trying to slow things down.   That score for Glass should settle them.

That's as harsh a call for overcarrying as I've ever seen!

Big save by Beggan could have been be 9 point gap and up the field Monaghan go and get a point back to 5 points between the sides.  1-16 to 2-8

Anyone seen any kickout stats. Looks like Derry have won maybe 80% of all kickouts

Tyrone came out 2nd half the last day completely complacent thinking the game was done and dusted but they really should have been putting Monaghan to the sword like Derry have done here.

Quote from: clarshack on April 29, 2023, 06:38:19 PM
Tyrone came out 2nd half the last day completely complacent thinking the game was done and dusted but they really should have been putting Monaghan to the sword like Derry have done here.

Derry also put Tyrone to the sword in the championship last year. Main question about Tyrone is are they any better than what they showed last year?

FT Derry 1-21 Monaghan 2-10 and Derry good value for that 8 point winning margin

Enjoyed that.

But there isn't a single Monaghan man you wouldn't want playing for Derry.

Derry were good value for the win but the problem with the new format was obvious today. Monaghan were beaten at half time. They showed no real urgency to get back into it. If teams were facing the exit or even the old dangerous back door system they'd try a lot harder. Monaghan know they'll be seeded 3rd. That might even ben a better place to be that 2nd seed.

Derry just a point better in the 2nd half  ;)
Uncanny impressive shooting accuracy from Derry from all angles and distance.
Not that he affected who would win this game as Derry were supreme on the day, but for the first time in my  GAA board life  I take issue with a ref,  Hurson was shite in a game which had no pressure per se, as in ugly rivals at play
Content enough so far with Monaghan's transitional season, not relegated, beat Tyrone and with a (3 week break) good enough  prospect to get though the group to the 'super' knock- out stage.

Quote from: straightred on April 29, 2023, 06:58:00 PM
Derry were good value for the win but the problem with the new format was obvious today. Monaghan were beaten at half time. They showed no real urgency to get back into it. If teams were facing the exit or even the old dangerous back door system they'd try a lot harder. Monaghan know they'll be seeded 3rd. That might even ben a better place to be that 2nd seed.

2nd half was 0-9 to 1-5 in scoring, facing an exit i don't think would have made much of a difference as Derry weren't going to let that big half time lead slip.

Whatever the seed you need to finish 1st in the group IMO.

For Monaghan now is an away game to a provincial winner which is not going to be easy. If you lose that first game, you're probably looking at 2nd/3rd place in the group which means you play 3 games on the trot – last group game, prelim QF and QF which is going to take a toll on the team.

Serious attacking display from our lads with scores all over the pitch the goals the obvious worry but played really well apart from that.

Disappointing Murray couldn't have played for the U20s on Wed night.

Maybe harsh but what's the hype about McCarron? Has to be one of the most over rated players in the game at the minute!

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Derry were good value for the win but the problem with the new format was obvious today. Monaghan were beaten at half time. They showed no real urgency to get back into it. If teams were facing the exit or even the old dangerous back door system they'd try a lot harder. Monaghan know they'll be seeded 3rd. That might even ben a better place to be that 2nd seed.

2nd half was 0-9 to 1-5 in scoring, facing an exit i don't think would have made much of a difference as Derry weren't going to let that big half time lead slip.

Whatever the seed you need to finish 1st in the group IMO.

For Monaghan now is an away game to a provincial winner which is not going to be easy. If you lose that first game, you're probably looking at 2nd/3rd place in the group which means you play 3 games on the trot – last group game, prelim QF and QF which is going to take a toll on the team.

You're a bit too 'captain obvious'  in replying to my quip about the 2nd half,

Going into the group stage as 3rd seed    holds better prospect than as an ulster  provincial runners up.
Monaghan are in  a good position to get to a 1/4 final, which would be very good for this  team in transition.in 2023.

Quote from: screenexile on April 29, 2023, 07:49:30 PM
Serious attacking display from our lads with scores all over the pitch the goals the obvious worry but played really well apart from that.

Disappointing Murray couldn't have played for the U20s on Wed night.

Maybe harsh but what's the hype about McCarron? Has to be one of the most over rated players in the game at the minute!

What hype about McCarron are you referring to this year? please provide links.

Quote from: Main Street on April 29, 2023, 08:02:21 PM

Quote from: screenexile on April 29, 2023, 07:49:30 PM
Serious attacking display from our lads with scores all over the pitch the goals the obvious worry but played really well apart from that.

Disappointing Murray couldn't have played for the U20s on Wed night.

Maybe harsh but what's the hype about McCarron? Has to be one of the most over rated players in the game at the minute!

What hype about McCarron are you referring to this year? please provide links.

Fair enough not so much this year but definitely last year and he's talked about as if he's an important cog in the Monaghan team but just I've yet to see it.

Mccarron is a good Winter footballer, when the ground firms up his lack of pace is badly badly exposed.

Quote from: Blowitupref on April 29, 2023, 06:20:01 PM
Another goal for Monaghan out of nothing, Derry still having issues on the high balls in.  2-6 to 1-15.

We should put Rian, Murnin and maybe even Ethan Raff on the Derry penalty spot. So suspect.

Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2023, 08:53:49 PMWe should put Rian, Murnin and maybe even Ethan Raff on the Derry penalty spot. So suspect.

Probably best worry about Down first.

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Quote from: Blowitupref on April 29, 2023, 06:20:01 PM
Another goal for Monaghan out of nothing, Derry still having issues on the high balls in.  2-6 to 1-15.

We should put Rian, Murnin and maybe even Ethan Raff on the Derry penalty spot. So suspect.

Any side with Forker in the FB line won't do much!

Can't take them Derry folk anywhere stealing flegs, DUP will take this extra hard with 2 of the 6 in the final

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Quote from: Tyrone Split on April 29, 2023, 01:36:58 PM
I see the commentary is on Northern Sound. Shown on GAAGo - what channel is that on the dodgy firesticks ??   ;D. lol!     ...?

is it not on bbc?

Saturday matches are on GAAGO. Sunday on RTÉ.

Quote from: OakLeaf on April 29, 2023, 09:09:06 PM

Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2023, 08:53:49 PMWe should put Rian, Murnin and maybe even Ethan Raff on the Derry penalty spot. So suspect.

Probably best worry about Down first.

If you're worrying about them you've no business in Sam, be as well going to the Tailteann. (Watch me with egg on my face tomorrow now ffs)

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Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2023, 08:53:49 PMWe should put Rian, Murnin and maybe even Ethan Raff on the Derry penalty spot. So suspect.

Probably best worry about Down first.

If you're worrying about them you've no business in Sam, be as well going to the Tailteann. (Watch me with egg on my face tomorrow now ffs)

Maybe just have a smidgen of respect?

Good showing today in HP. Our half back line were on fire throughout I thought. Glass and BR superb in the middle. Shane excellent and Cluckey with a goal. A superb team performance., you can see those boys love playing for the shirt, the workrate is immense.

Clones again in 2 weeks, hard to beat.

Saw the video of the flag removal. Clowns. GAA will get tarnished over this.

Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 29, 2023, 10:22:29 PM
Saw the video of the flag removal. Clowns. GAA will get tarnished over this.

No need to be flying a flag in the middle of a field in the first place.

Should have pulled the pole down too

Quote from: Mario on April 29, 2023, 11:03:32 PM

Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 29, 2023, 10:22:29 PM
Saw the video of the flag removal. Clowns. GAA will get tarnished over this.

No need to be flying a flag in the middle of a field in the first place.

Knew it had to be you ND's heading out that direction  :P

That not a old video, don't think that's up round Omagh.

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 29, 2023, 06:52:27 PM
Enjoyed that.

But there isn't a single Monaghan man you wouldn't want playing for Derry.

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Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 29, 2023, 06:52:27 PM
Enjoyed that.

But there isn't a single Monaghan man you wouldn't want playing for Derry.

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No need for the married ones though.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 29, 2023, 11:55:57 PM
That not a old video, don't think that's up round Omagh.

It's definitely that field on the Gortin Road. You can be sure this will dominate the airwaves this week, just in time for the election. Why do it like.

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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 29, 2023, 11:55:57 PM
That not a old video, don't think that's up round Omagh.

It's definitely that field on the Gortin Road. You can be sure this will dominate the airwaves this week, just in time for the election. Why do it like.

Carla Lockhart first to tweet is my bet!

Just seen the video and what it does is give unionists an excuse to put the boot into the GAA again.

Sure we've plenty of reasons to put the boot into them and does it matter a f**k? Nope same ould shite every year so what odds

Just wonder if I put a tricolour up a pole in the middle of the field how long it last. What sort farmer puts a pole in the middle of his field to start with.

im just jealous they could get up the pole

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 30, 2023, 01:39:14 PM
Just wonder if I put a tricolour up a pole in the middle of the field how long it last. What sort farmer puts a pole in the middle of his field to start with.

A staunch one

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 30, 2023, 01:39:14 PM
Just wonder if I put a tricolour up a pole in the middle of the field how long it last. What sort farmer puts a pole in the middle of his field to start with.

An embittered TUV adherent.

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Quote from: OakLeaf on April 29, 2023, 09:09:06 PM

Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2023, 08:53:49 PMWe should put Rian, Murnin and maybe even Ethan Raff on the Derry penalty spot. So suspect.

Probably best worry about Down first.

If you're worrying about them you've no business in Sam, be as well going to the Tailteann. (Watch me with egg on my face tomorrow now ffs)

Maybe just have a smidgen of respect?

Good showing today in HP. Our half back line were on fire throughout I thought. Glass and BR superb in the middle. Shane excellent and Cluckey with a goal. A superb team performance., you can see those boys love playing for the shirt, the workrate is immense.

Clones again in 2 weeks, hard to beat.

I definitely thought Monaghan would run you closer. Derry didn't give them a sniff. Seem to be more potent in attack and operating at a different level than last year. I still think you would struggle to beat Kerry or Dublin, but you are far closer than I thought and would really trouble them on your day.
       
     
     

Tyrone would have given Derry a better game.

Quote from: grounded on April 30, 2023, 02:47:06 PM

Quote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2023, 10:07:57 PM

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Quote from: OakLeaf on April 29, 2023, 09:09:06 PM

Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2023, 08:53:49 PMWe should put Rian, Murnin and maybe even Ethan Raff on the Derry penalty spot. So suspect.

Probably best worry about Down first.

If you're worrying about them you've no business in Sam, be as well going to the Tailteann. (Watch me with egg on my face tomorrow now ffs)

Maybe just have a smidgen of respect?

Good showing today in HP. Our half back line were on fire throughout I thought. Glass and BR superb in the middle. Shane excellent and Cluckey with a goal. A superb team performance., you can see those boys love playing for the shirt, the workrate is immense.

Clones again in 2 weeks, hard to beat.

I definitely thought Monaghan would run you closer. Derry didn't give them a sniff. Seem to be more potent in attack and operating at a different level than last year. I still think you would struggle to beat Kerry or Dublin, but you are far closer than I thought and would really trouble them on your day.
       
     
     

We've already beat Dublin

Quote from: Mario on April 30, 2023, 04:00:54 PM
We've already beat Dublin

And Dublin have already beaten ye, when the chips down were a wee bit heavier!  :P

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 30, 2023, 04:17:34 PM

Quote from: Mario on April 30, 2023, 04:00:54 PM
We've already beat Dublin

And Dublin have already beaten ye, when the chips down were a wee bit heavier!  :P

In a game where Glass went off and Derry had injuries.

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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 30, 2023, 04:17:34 PM

Quote from: Mario on April 30, 2023, 04:00:54 PM
We've already beat Dublin

And Dublin have already beaten ye, when the chips down were a wee bit heavier!  :P

In a game where Glass went off and Derry had injuries.

When you need to explain, the argument's over.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 30, 2023, 04:17:34 PM

Quote from: Mario on April 30, 2023, 04:00:54 PM
We've already beat Dublin

And Dublin have already beaten ye, when the chips down were a wee bit heavier!  :P

The game in celtic park was more important. We were both promoted in the final. Just making the point a lot of ppl have forgot that we've actually beat Dublin.

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Quote from: OakLeaf on April 29, 2023, 09:09:06 PM

Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2023, 08:53:49 PMWe should put Rian, Murnin and maybe even Ethan Raff on the Derry penalty spot. So suspect.

Probably best worry about Down first.

If you're worrying about them you've no business in Sam, be as well going to the Tailteann. (Watch me with egg on my face tomorrow now ffs)

Maybe just have a smidgen of respect?

Good showing today in HP. Our half back line were on fire throughout I thought. Glass and BR superb in the middle. Shane excellent and Cluckey with a goal. A superb team performance., you can see those boys love playing for the shirt, the workrate is immense.

Clones again in 2 weeks, hard to beat.

I definitely thought Monaghan would run you closer. Derry didn't give them a sniff. Seem to be more potent in attack and operating at a different level than last year. I still think you would struggle to beat Kerry or Dublin, but you are far closer than I thought and would really trouble them on your day.
       
     
     

We've already beat Dublin

Indeed. Out of Mayo (Croke Pk edition), Galway, Dublin and Kerry, strange as it may sound, but I think Derry match up best against Kerry. That's in no way saying we would beat them, still a work in progress.

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on April 30, 2023, 03:42:15 PM
Tyrone would have given Derry a better game.

No they wouldn't have NotSouthDublinBro

Good man Jo.
4-1 and you'll not take it up the road with yous this year either.

Was going to start a new thread, but might as well just recycle this one. - tbrick can change the title.

Result will probably depend on how much Monaghan have learned from the last day and how much of an impact the returning McAnespie will have on the Monaghan team?

McFaul will probably start on Saturday in place of Heron, can't see any other changes to the starting lineup from the Ulster Final.

Quote from: Estimator on May 22, 2023, 12:28:30 PM
Was going to start a new thread, but might as well just recycle this one. - tbrick can change the title.

Result will probably depend on how much Monaghan have learned from the last day and how much of an impact the returning McAnespie will have on the Monaghan team?

McFaul will probably start on Saturday in place of Heron, can't see any other changes to the starting lineup from the Ulster Final.

Also how will Derry adapt to "new" management.
Could certainly see McFaul starting.

Monaghan will love to have a chance to get back at Derry, especially now they have back to back Ulster Championships.
It's hard to see how Derry in particular prepare for this game, the hype of ulster followed by the first of 3 group games. I really question the concept.

A better option for me would be that Provincial winners go straight into the quarters, with the remaining 4 places coming from the winners of 4 groups of 3. You'd probably still have Kerry/Dublin in the quarters every year but that will likely happen anyway.

The group games would have more bite, it would give some real tangible meaning to winning the province.

Anyway back to the game, if Derry can maintain the focus and play to their ability then we should win by 5-6 points.

Derry can't keep repeatly playing the same team because they are winning, there are some obvious issues up front we wouldn't address to we lose a game, and at this stage of the year come knockout that be too late. We done well to beat Armagh cause on review of the game, we played poor enough, but still won.

Point of order, Derry beat no one, they won a penalty shoot out.

Quote from: bennydorano on May 22, 2023, 01:44:38 PM
Point of order, Derry beat no one, they won a penalty shoot out.

Your point of order is out of order! Beat the Armagh keeper 4 times.

Quote from: bennydorano on May 22, 2023, 01:44:38 PM
Point of order, Derry beat no one, they won a penalty shoot out.

I'm stupid enough for biting, but Derry won explaining why they were awarded the Cup.

Not contesting the outcome of the game, Derry and Armagh drew the football match, Derry won the penalty shoot out and won the cup.

donalddorano  ;D

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Quote from: bennydorano on May 22, 2023, 01:44:38 PM
Point of order, Derry beat no one, they won a penalty shoot out.

Your point of order is out of order! Beat the Armagh keeper 4 times.

So you beat one player, that is not the Armagh team, you know.
Bennydorano's point is spot on.

Quote from: bennydorano on May 22, 2023, 02:58:00 PM
Not contesting the outcome of the game, Derry and Armagh drew the football match, Derry won the penalty shoot out and won the cup by beating Armagh

fixed that

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Don't know if it's just me but I think that while that loss will obviously sting the fact we weren't 'beaten' means the psychological recovery shouldn't be as bad as an outright defeat (could be wrong and it could be worse!).  A win v Westmeath should steady the ship, I can't for a second think we would underestimate them.

I posted this on the Sunday night after the match. I firmly believe it. The game itself was a draw, Derry won the penalty shoot out and lifted the Cup, nobody is denying that Derry's name is etched on the Anglo Celt. Felt the same after the Galway game last year, we should have progressed more than we have unfortunately.

Have you played?, whether you got beat after normal or extra time or penalties, as a player it will feel the same. Defeat is defeat. If you don't get it you haven't been there as a player

Off course it stings but it's what you want to take from it. Sports Pyschology 101.

Quote from: bennydorano on May 22, 2023, 04:01:01 PM
Off course it stings but it's what you want to take from it. Sports Pyschology 101.

O'Neill did look delighted right enough at the final whistle. Now I can see why.

Rumours today from a strong source PSNI and Derry county board in direct contact, RG completely cleared and he will be on the sideline on saturday.

This will be a huge story across the island.

Quote from: InnocentByStander on May 22, 2023, 04:11:41 PM
Rumours today from a strong source PSNI and Derry county board in direct contact, RG completely cleared and he will be on the sideline on saturday.

This will be a huge story across the island.

Here we go again more rumours, ifs and buts. Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwq8f8MyJj8

Armagh lost the game as these days it's decided on the day, just like Galway beat you the same way, Penalties ain't a new game as you say.

There is a rumour that some Armagh folk think the team didn't lose the Ulster final. I imagine the majority have more sense.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2023, 04:28:37 PM
Armagh lost the game as these days it's decided on the day, just like Galway beat you the same way, Penalties ain't a new game as you say.

Yes lost a penalty shoot out & therefore a Cup in this instance. I'm sure Derry will take a great deal from winning the Cup. Armagh should take solace from playing badly & still getting a draw and not dwell on the negatives.

Quote from: bennydorano on May 22, 2023, 05:05:58 PM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2023, 04:28:37 PM
Armagh lost the game as these days it's decided on the day, just like Galway beat you the same way, Penalties ain't a new game as you say.

Yes lost a penalty shoot out & therefore a Cup in this instance. I'm sure Derry will take a great deal from winning the Cup. Armagh should take solace from playing badly & still getting a draw and not dwell on the negatives.

This is a thread about the Derry / Monaghan game. Can the Armagh lads take their dopey argument about not getting beat to the Armagh / Westmeath thread and argue about it there.

Back to the game, hardest game of the three for Derry and I'd expect this to be much closer this time around. Still think we have enough to get over the line. Derry need to keep the winning habit through all these games. It's a good opportunity to start McFaul but that creates a problem with our limited bench and having guys who can come on to change a game. I think Murray should also start or at least get some decent game time.

Derry technically never lost the 1997 Ulster final either. They scored as much as Cavan did.

Quote from: bennydorano on May 22, 2023, 05:05:58 PM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2023, 04:28:37 PM
Armagh lost the game as these days it's decided on the day, just like Galway beat you the same way, Penalties ain't a new game as you say.

Yes lost a penalty shoot out & therefore a Cup in this instance. I'm sure Derry will take a great deal from winning the Cup. Armagh should take solace from playing badly & still getting a draw and not dwell on the negatives.

Hahahaha fella you're delusional.

Wow, 13 pages already! We're back (to back) baby

FFS Lads. We lost. Derry won. Time to move on

I've reset the poll count for this game chaps, so fill your boots.
Who's going to win?

Would expect this to be closer than the Ulster semi final, Monaghan a few bodies back and a few weeks off to lick their wounds.  In the Ulster semi mcmanus and mccarron lack of work rate off the ball was targetted by RG so will be interesting to see what Corey has up his sleeve.  Monaghan have great bounce back abililty I would expect Derry to win but Monaghan I think are over priced at 7/2. 

Could be in ambush territory with this fixture.

Monaghan were well beaten in the semi-final and have had plenty of time to focus on righting the wrongs and focusing on who their first game was going to be against.  Injuries cleared up and tactics worked upon. Waiting quietly in the long grass.
Their team sheet could be extremely different to the first day out in Healy Park.

Whereas everyone in the country knows 13 or 14 of the starting team for Derry.

Derry will go in as favourites, but I sense a much more attritional game will unfold.

Obviously it could never have happened, given the home advantage, but it would've been great to have the minor final at 5pm, before the senior game.

Quote from: Estimator on May 23, 2023, 12:55:09 PM
Could be in ambush territory with this fixture.

Monaghan were well beaten in the semi-final and have had plenty of time to focus on righting the wrongs and focusing on who their first game was going to be against.  Injuries cleared up and tactics worked upon. Waiting quietly in the long grass.
Their team sheet could be extremely different to the first day out in Healy Park.

Whereas everyone in the country knows 13 or 14 of the starting team for Derry.

Derry will go in as favourites, but I sense a much more attritional game will unfold.

Obviously it could never have happened, given the home advantage, but it would've been great to have the minor final at 5pm, before the senior game.

Its hard to beat the same team twice in the championship, certainly in Ulster. Monaghan will have learnt most from the first game, thats for sure.
Tough fixture this one for Derry, in that they are expected to win it. All logic points to another Derry win, but there is that niggling suspicion of an upset here.
Big test for Vinny Corey, what way will he set his side up. They were completely outrun, out fought and out classed the last day. Must do better.
A war of attrition might suit Monaghan best. They have more reliable free takers. IMHO id say they probably have a better collective of scoring forwards too.
Derry's middle 8 is so formidable though, and Monaghan are creaking in that area. Alot of miles on the clock.

Derry introduced the ambush in the All Ireland series in 2001. Monaghan were below par the last day, they might well improve. This new format gives the provincial champions a highly ranked team at home, but as their first game so that you have to get back on the horse first thing.

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Quote from: God14 on May 23, 2023, 02:07:24 PM

Its hard to beat the same team twice in the championship, certainly in Ulster. Monaghan will have learnt most from the first game, thats for sure.

In 2009 the Bradley bro's beat Monaghan twice in the championship.

Monaghan should be making some changes,  McCarron's still in dodgy territory, Ryan McAnespie has returned to the squad, Darren Hughes could be replaced by his brother,
both Dessie Ward and  Garry Mohan  should be more match fit this time. That's a lot of maybes and even with all those working out, there's still a lot of ground to make up on Derry.

Definitely see this game as a potential banana skin. Expect Monaghan to be a lot more competitive and will have learnt plenty from the first game. Would like to see McFaul n Murray both start and a few more squad players used across the 3 group games.

Derry will be again too strong for them, I like to see Mcfaul Start and Murray. What's happened Downey, he went from been one of the subs to not featuring.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 23, 2023, 10:12:11 PM
Derry will be again too strong for them, I like to see Mcfaul Start and Murray. What's happened Downey, he went from been one of the subs to not featuring.

don't know if he's good enough, playing his football in Antrim wouldn't help

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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 23, 2023, 10:12:11 PM
Derry will be again too strong for them, I like to see Mcfaul Start and Murray. What's happened Downey, he went from been one of the subs to not featuring.

don't know if he's good enough, playing his football in Antrim wouldn't help

Yep, it really does seem like an act of self harm, misplaced pride and arrogance will always bring you down.
But I don't think it was the young fellas own decision.

Can't fathom grounds to move to a, Belfast club, when you don't live there, how's that work. Where did the younger lads go to.

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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 23, 2023, 10:12:11 PM
Derry will be again too strong for them, I like to see Mcfaul Start and Murray. What's happened Downey, he went from been one of the subs to not featuring.

don't know if he's good enough, playing his football in Antrim wouldn't help

He is good enough.

Derry goin with the tried and tested once again.

Team named just the same as the one that actually started the Ulster Final: Heron replacing Padraig Cassidy in the starting line up.
The two lads that missed out on the Ulster Final 26 are still out - M Downey and O McWilliams

Quote from: Estimator on May 26, 2023, 10:42:08 AM
Derry goin with the tried and tested once again.

Team named just the same as the one that actually started the Ulster Final: Heron replacing Padraig Cassidy in the starting line up.
The two lads that missed out on the Ulster Final 26 are still out - M Downey and O McWilliams

What's the story with McWilliams? Is he injured?

Enda McGinley predicting our demise already . . .

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0525/1385632-mcginley-derry-dip-possible-in-group-stages/

Quote from: screenexile on May 26, 2023, 11:30:26 AM
Enda McGinley predicting our demise already . . .

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0525/1385632-mcginley-derry-dip-possible-in-group-stages/

He also said we'd struggle to name a panel of 26 a couple weeks ago when there was 30+ in the panel. Was completely bluffing.

Though I think Monaghan should learn more from the last game and make this one much closer. That may be perceived as a dip from Derry but I think we'll play in a similar way even if the result is a lot closer.

Quote from: screenexile on May 26, 2023, 11:30:26 AM
Enda McGinley predicting our demise already . . .

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0525/1385632-mcginley-derry-dip-possible-in-group-stages/

McGinley is a very good pundit but hopefully he's wrong on this one. I heard last week that Mcwilliams had a nasty leg injury but he's getting closer to fitness again.

No McManus in the starting 15 for Monaghan.
Count 3 personnel changes and an abundance of positional switches.
Big Mohan and McAnespie change the entire outlook of that side.

Quote from: Estimator on May 26, 2023, 10:42:08 AM
Derry goin with the tried and tested once again.

Team named just the same as the one that actually started the Ulster Final: Heron replacing Padraig Cassidy in the starting line up.
The two lads that missed out on the Ulster Final 26 are still out - M Downey and O McWilliams

Is M Downey injured or just struggling to make the step up to senior?

Diarmuid Baker from Steelstown in place of Niall  O'Donnell as well on the bench

what sort of attendance they expecting

McAnespie back is a huge boost, an engine like his is vital in a game like this . Also Mohan in the team is another positive - as raw as he is, he's a big physical presence which can make things happen

Thought our lineup in the Ulster game was a little naive with both McCarron & McManus starting, when legs and workrate are paramount in this fixture - I'd have started Conor instead of Jack though - and Dessie Ward though named in the forwards will be more of a defensive role.

A very tough game regardless but I think we'll give a better account of ourselves this time, and surely some lessons were learned from the first game

This is the biggest game in the group. A huge chance for Monaghan to take control.

20 mins played Derry 0-3 Monaghan 0-3

Derry have a Clones hangover as well by the looks of it.

At this stage we're 4 points better and Derry are 4 points worse compared  to the semi final, where I don't remember Derry kicking a wide in that 1st half.

Quote from: bennydorano on May 27, 2023, 07:38:36 PM
Derry have a Clones hangover as well by the looks of it.

And Monaghan have used their break wisely.
Half time Derry 0-6 Monaghan 0-7.  A month ago it was 1-12 to 1-5 in favour of Derry.

7-6 to Monaghan at half time. They're taking their scores, Derry a fair few bad wides.

Not many Monaghan folk here; I've counted 8.

If only every county could find a way to to instil the passion, belief, intelligent and intensity into football that Monaghan does.

Quote from: thewobbler on May 27, 2023, 07:46:30 PM
If only every county could find a way to to instil the passion, belief, intelligent and intensity into football that Monaghan does.

Always loved that about them.

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 27, 2023, 07:42:24 PM
Derry a fair few bad wides.

Quote from: Main Street on May 27, 2023, 07:41:40 PMI don't remember Derry kicking a wide in that 1st half.

Not watching which information is correct?

Champion

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 07:49:24 PM

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 27, 2023, 07:42:24 PM
Derry a fair few bad wides.

Quote from: Main Street on May 27, 2023, 07:41:40 PMI don't remember Derry kicking a wide in that 1st half.

Not watching which information is correct?

That's a poxed snip.
If you read the whole sentence,
that first half = the semi final first half.
Derry hit no wides in  first half of the sf.

You'd hope the wide given as a score isn't a factor in the result.

Derry head tucking and diving not being bought.  Great to see

Quote from: 5times5times on May 27, 2023, 08:02:56 PM
Derry head tucking and diving not being bought.  Great to see

Was that black for a trip? If so he got that wrong

Not a black, same fella should have had a red 5 minutes earlier, bit of karma maybe.

Quote from: Wolfetones on May 27, 2023, 08:05:39 PM
Not a black, same fella should have had a red 5 minutes earlier, bit of karma maybe.

Stop. The 1st one had nothing in it. Derry going down far to easy

Quote from: straightred on May 27, 2023, 08:06:47 PM

Quote from: Wolfetones on May 27, 2023, 08:05:39 PM
Not a black, same fella should have had a red 5 minutes earlier, bit of karma maybe.

Stop. The 1st one had nothing in it. Derry going down far to easy

You've never seen a lad get a red for that before?

Not sure if that was the correct call on that Monaghan black card. 48 minutes played Monaghan lead 0-10 to 0-8

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Quote from: straightred on May 27, 2023, 08:06:47 PM

Quote from: Wolfetones on May 27, 2023, 08:05:39 PM
Not a black, same fella should have had a red 5 minutes earlier, bit of karma maybe.

Stop. The 1st one had nothing in it. Derry going down far to easy

You've never seen a lad get a red for that before?

we;ve all seen plenty of reds that were wrong. Thankfully we didnt get another one

Enjoyable game of football. Monaghan doing well.

Hard to see Derry winning this. Looks like Monaghan have their measure.

Monaghan full value for their lead.

Quote from: Rudi on May 27, 2023, 08:12:39 PM
Enjoyable game of football. Monaghan doing well.

It is. Thought Derry would win this handy but Monaghan seemed to have learned a lot. Expect both of these teams to come through

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 27, 2023, 08:07:58 PM
Not sure if that was the correct call on that Monaghan black card. 48 minutes played Monaghan lead 0-10 to 0-8

Don't think it was a black either.

Fair play to O'Hanlon staying down that long with a head injury when he wasn't touched on the head.

15 minutes to play Monaghan three in front.

This is were I cant argue with gaago. No issue with paying 12 euro for this.

Derry very lacking in ideas tbh. Been poor enough.

Monaghan decent enough mind you and Corey has done well tactically.

Thats brilliant from Beggan

Super kick from Beggan.

Beggan different gravy.

Quote from: straightred on May 27, 2023, 08:21:54 PM
Thats brilliant from Beggan

Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Kicking an O'Neills that far should not look so easy.

That was one of the best placed balls points I've seen. Unreal.

Beggan is something else

Mcguigan pure quality.

Two in a row for Derry.   65 mins Derry 0-12 Monaghan 0-13

Karl O'Connell operating at a different level today

Not a very subtle punch from McKinless

Quote from: p3427977 on May 27, 2023, 08:25:38 PM
Not a very subtle punch from McKinless

it was the knee on the way down that got him - accident in fairness

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Quote from: p3427977 on May 27, 2023, 08:25:38 PM
Not a very subtle punch from McKinless

it was the knee on the way down that got him - accident in fairness

I mean when Mckinless was landing he got him a dig in the ribs.

0-13 each into added time.

I hope Derry that know that there are no penalties this time.

Derry lead by one with 2 mins of added time to play.

FT Derry 0-14 Monaghan 0-14.

probably fair result. great score to get the draw

Entertaining stuff. Draw fair result.

Pure quality deserved draw for Monaghsn. Karl o Connell take a bow.

Quote from: Wolfetones on May 27, 2023, 07:54:39 PM
You'd hope the wide given as a score isn't a factor in the result.

Unfortunately it was. Great second half.

A draw was the very least Monaghan deserved.

Derry diving caught out. Hateful tactics

Some game, fair result imo. Thought we managed the black card period very well, and when we came out on the better end of it, I'd thought we'd kick on and win. But Derry showed what makes them back to back Ulster champs, and finished off very strong. But Karl stood up in a huge way at the end with a massive equaliser, brilliant game from him today. Been our best player in the championship too. Some career he's had for a lad who only took up the sport when he was nearly 18.

Quote from: 5times5times on May 27, 2023, 08:37:50 PM
Derry diving caught out. Hateful tactics

Was delighted the ref was strong enough to give the free against the fellow for charging his way out. 9 refs out of 10 give a free out for that. Monaghan missed the free though - costly in the end

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Quote from: Wolfetones on May 27, 2023, 07:54:39 PM
You'd hope the wide given as a score isn't a factor in the result.

Unfortunately it was. Great second half.

we don't know if it was over or not - very close call. Is hawk eye that expensive that we cant have it all of these games games

Fair F's to Vinny for his preparation of the team for this game considering the huge chasm to cross after the semi final. Happy enough with the draw seeing as we were in desperation last chance zone and the icing on that cake was that it was brilliantly executed by Karl O'Connell.

Quote from: sensini on May 27, 2023, 08:41:56 PM
Gareth McKinless loves a dive. Surely referees have copped his antics now.

Karl O'Connell, as good as he was, dived a lot too. The ref was very good spotting dives in fairness to him.

Quote from: Main Street on May 27, 2023, 08:43:13 PM
Fair F's to Vinny for his preparation of the team for this game considering the huge chasm to cross after the semi final. Happy enough with the draw seeing as we were in desperation last chance zone and the icing on that cake was that it was brilliantly executed by Karl O'Connell.

Yep while it was disappointing not to win that, Vinny made some big calls and they were all the right ones. For a fella in his fledgling days of a managerial career, he's making a very good account of himself

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Quote from: Main Street on May 27, 2023, 08:43:13 PM
Fair F's to Vinny for his preparation of the team for this game considering the huge chasm to cross after the semi final. Happy enough with the draw seeing as we were in desperation last chance zone and the icing on that cake was that it was brilliantly executed by Karl O'Connell.

Yep while it was disappointing not to win that, Vinny made some big calls and they were all the right ones. For a fella in his fledgling days of a managerial career, he's making a very good account of himself

Brave call not to start Conor McManus, Jack McCarron, Darren and Kieran Hughes and leave it late before bringing them on. 

That free kick from Beggan is as good as you'll see. Outstanding.

Monaghan done alot of fouling on Derry way out the field to break up Derry on the counter attack. Wonder will the 2 lads down with so called neck injuries have a claim in Monday morning, was waiting on the neck brace been brought out. That fake shit needs cut out of Gaelic, play acting at it worse. Monaghan should won, Derry again very poor for 2nd game running. Gallagher not there, is a big difference. I don't know how bad some of the Derry forwards have to play to actually not be starting nxt day out.

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Quote from: Schkite on May 27, 2023, 08:47:52 PM

Quote from: Main Street on May 27, 2023, 08:43:13 PM
Fair F's to Vinny for his preparation of the team for this game considering the huge chasm to cross after the semi final. Happy enough with the draw seeing as we were in desperation last chance zone and the icing on that cake was that it was brilliantly executed by Karl O'Connell.

Yep while it was disappointing not to win that, Vinny made some big calls and they were all the right ones. For a fella in his fledgling days of a managerial career, he's making a very good account of himself

Brave call not to start Conor McManus, Jack McCarron, Darren and Kieran Hughes and leave it late before bringing them on.

it paid off - you have to manage the squad now with games coming so quickly. Monaghan and Derry should both win their last 2 games so points difference will probably decide this group

Will take that result. We were shite but Shane mcguigan yet again was unreal

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Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2023, 08:59:07 PM

Quote from: Schkite on May 27, 2023, 08:47:52 PM

Quote from: Main Street on May 27, 2023, 08:43:13 PM
Fair F's to Vinny for his preparation of the team for this game considering the huge chasm to cross after the semi final. Happy enough with the draw seeing as we were in desperation last chance zone and the icing on that cake was that it was brilliantly executed by Karl O'Connell.

Yep while it was disappointing not to win that, Vinny made some big calls and they were all the right ones. For a fella in his fledgling days of a managerial career, he's making a very good account of himself

Brave call not to start Conor McManus, Jack McCarron, Darren and Kieran Hughes and leave it late before bringing them on.

it paid off - you have to manage the squad now with games coming so quickly. Monaghan and Derry should both win their last 2 games so points difference will probably decide this group

There's still a lot of football to be played yet and hopefully Monaghan will be grounded enough when facing Clare who are anything but a 'should win' game.
Donegal at home to Armagh Derry will be interesting.

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There's still a lot of football to be played yet and hopefully Monaghan will be grounded enough when facing Clare who are anything but a 'should win' game.
Donegal at home to Armagh will be interesting.
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What competition is that game in?

Quote from: straightred on May 27, 2023, 08:40:35 PM

Quote from: Wolfetones on May 27, 2023, 08:36:48 PM

Quote from: Wolfetones on May 27, 2023, 07:54:39 PM
You'd hope the wide given as a score isn't a factor in the result.

Unfortunately it was. Great second half.

we don't know if it was over or not - very close call. Is hawk eye that expensive that we cant have it all of these games games

It was 100% wide, by about half a foot. We were stood on the 65 closest to the Brandywell terrace at the side terrace.

Bit like Shane mcguigans in Ulster final. It looked over to me

Quote from: Derryman forever on May 27, 2023, 09:41:26 PM

There's still a lot of football to be played yet and hopefully Monaghan will be grounded enough when facing Clare who are anything but a 'should win' game.
Donegal at home to Armagh derry will be interesting.
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What competition is that game in?
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:)

Quote from: NotedObserver on May 27, 2023, 10:01:29 PM
Bit like Shane mcguigans in Ulster final. It looked over to me

Where were you positioned? Was wide, zero debate... These things happen.

Quote from: JoG2 on May 27, 2023, 10:10:52 PM

Quote from: NotedObserver on May 27, 2023, 10:01:29 PM
Bit like Shane mcguigans in Ulster final. It looked over to me

Where were you positioned? Was wide, zero debate... These things happen.

except there is a debate. Question is when it curled in relation to the post. you can't tell if you're looking down the field. Umpire called it and there's no reason to doubt his judgement. If chatgpt can write essays these days surely technology can sort this stuff out

Poor form from mcguigan there at the final whistle .

Quote from: straightred on May 27, 2023, 10:24:57 PM

Quote from: JoG2 on May 27, 2023, 10:10:52 PM

Quote from: NotedObserver on May 27, 2023, 10:01:29 PM
Bit like Shane mcguigans in Ulster final. It looked over to me

Where were you positioned? Was wide, zero debate... These things happen.

except there is a debate. Question is when it curled in relation to the post. you can't tell if you're looking down the field. Umpire called it and there's no reason to doubt his judgement. If chatgpt can write essays these days surely technology can sort this stuff out

Thank you

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Quote from: JoG2 on May 27, 2023, 10:10:52 PM

Quote from: NotedObserver on May 27, 2023, 10:01:29 PM
Bit like Shane mcguigans in Ulster final. It looked over to me

Where were you positioned? Was wide, zero debate... These things happen.

except there is a debate. Question is when it curled in relation to the post. you can't tell if you're looking down the field. Umpire called it and there's no reason to doubt his judgement. If chatgpt can write essays these days surely technology can sort this stuff out

Thank you

Eh? It was wide, wasn't even close, our squad could not have been placed in a better spot. The umpire, probably in the worst position of all to call it, called it (incorrectly) a score.

It was wide, very surprised when it was given, the lad underneath the post hadnt a clue and looked to the other boy.

It is strange how the media call Monaghan "Farneymen" when many of the players don't live in the Farney barony. That would be like calling a Coleraine person a SouthDerryman (Loughinsholin)

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Quote from: JoG2 on May 27, 2023, 10:10:52 PM

Quote from: NotedObserver on May 27, 2023, 10:01:29 PM
Bit like Shane mcguigans in Ulster final. It looked over to me

Where were you positioned? Was wide, zero debate... These things happen.

except there is a debate. Question is when it curled in relation to the post. you can't tell if you're looking down the field. Umpire called it and there's no reason to doubt his judgement. If chatgpt can write essays these days surely technology can sort this stuff out

Thank you

Eh? It was wide, wasn't even close, our squad could not have been placed in a better spot. The umpire, probably in the worst position of all to call it, called it (incorrectly) a score.

Sorry and i genuinely dont mean any disrespect. If you are, by your own admission, on the 65m line, then you can't tell were the ball was in relation to the post. It may look over and be wide and it may be wide and look over.
I don't know if it was over or not but i'm willing to go with the umpire who had a much better position to judge. I go back to my first point though. There has to be a way (low cost) for technology to sort this out.

I was just by the 21m line, it was wide.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 27, 2023, 11:31:09 PM
I was just by the 21m line, it was wide.

There is no 21m line...

are derry the weakest provincial champion

Quote from: Eire90 on May 28, 2023, 01:12:19 AM
are derry the weakest provincial champion

They haven't all played yet, so should wait for that. But, they've been very very flat the last two games. Attack has got nothing going, the pace and ideas prevalent almost all year have just disappeared - I was watching with a crowd who had little interest in it save to point out how poor a spectacle most of the game was - do people really think that was a good game? It got better towards the end, but I felt it was pretty pedestrian and generally poor fare tbh.
Still, they've a point more than Kerry at this stage!

Monaghan scored a point in 1st half that was 100% wide, i know as i was directly behind it. Umpire hadn't a clue. We've been poor for 2 games but won an ulster final, drew with a d1 team who had 4 weeks to prepare and 90 min extra footage on us in between. We've also lost our manager who was central to everything. Question is can we get over this or will we stay at this level. We'll see, but all in all id have taken it 3 weeks ago.

Quote from: Eire90 on May 28, 2023, 01:12:19 AM
are derry the weakest provincial champion

Was there ever any doubt we were?? Everyone knows we're a level below Dublin/Galway/Kerry/Mayo?

Has anyone ever said anything different?

Quote from: Mario on May 28, 2023, 02:13:55 AM
Monaghan scored a point in 1st half that was 100% wide, i know as i was directly behind it. Umpire hadn't a clue. We've been poor for 2 games but won an ulster final, drew with a d1 team who had 4 weeks to prepare and 90 min extra footage on us in between. We've also lost our manager who was central to everything. Question is can we get over this or will we stay at this level. We'll see, but all in all id have taken it 3 weeks ago.

I think we're still OK Mario I'd expect us to beat Donegal and Clare... hopefully we'll do that and can secure the top spot.

I think the last 2 weeks have shown that we haven't broken away from the pack below the top 4. If Tyrone/Roscommon/Armagh/Monaghan mirror our style of play it's going to come down to a 50/50 situation in the last 5. We still need one maybe 2 other scoring forwards to help Shane out and we need to develop a faster counter attack with more kicking.

This year has been another stepping stone (and a big success by any standard) we're still very young and a couple of years Division 1 football will help but realistically I think a Semi Final is probably our ceiling again but the next few years look bright for us challenging the top teams regularly!

Quote from: screenexile on May 28, 2023, 02:29:50 AM

Quote from: Mario on May 28, 2023, 02:13:55 AM
Monaghan scored a point in 1st half that was 100% wide, i know as i was directly behind it. Umpire hadn't a clue. We've been poor for 2 games but won an ulster final, drew with a d1 team who had 4 weeks to prepare and 90 min extra footage on us in between. We've also lost our manager who was central to everything. Question is can we get over this or will we stay at this level. We'll see, but all in all id have taken it 3 weeks ago.

I think we're still OK Mario I'd expect us to beat Donegal and Clare... hopefully we'll do that and can secure the top spot.

I think the last 2 weeks have shown that we haven't broken away from the pack below the top 4. If Tyrone/Roscommon/Armagh/Monaghan mirror our style of play it's going to come down to a 50/50 situation in the last 5. We still need one maybe 2 other scoring forwards to help Shane out and we need to develop a faster counter attack with more kicking.

This year has been another stepping stone (and a big success by any standard) we're still very young and a couple of years Division 1 football will help but realistically I think a Semi Final is probably our ceiling again but the next few years look bright for

Quote from: Mario on May 28, 2023, 02:13:55 AM
Monaghan scored a point in 1st half that was 100% wide, i know as i was directly behind it. Umpire hadn't a clue. We've been poor for 2 games but won an ulster final, drew with a d1 team who had 4 weeks to prepare and 90 min extra footage on us in between. We've also lost our manager who was central to everything. Question is can we get over this or will we stay at this level. We'll see, but all in all id have taken it 3 weeks ago.

us challenging the top teams regularly!

I'd agree.
The impact of losing a manager mid year in any sport will be mostly negative. When the manager is lost to a team that has been successful and improving must be even more so.

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Quote from: Eire90 on May 28, 2023, 01:12:19 AM
are derry the weakest provincial champion

Was there ever any doubt we were?? Everyone knows we're a level below Dublin/Galway/Kerry/Mayo?

Has anyone ever said anything different?

Kerry are also misfiring. It's hard to keep going 2 seasons in a row.

There simply a big difference without Gallagher on the line. Derry need to go to O'Rourke next year. They aslo need J Doherty and E Bradley bck nxt year and I play both up front along with Murray. Need add 10men to the panel, starting with Gilmore, Higgins, McCullagh, Too many men are playing way below power, yet there's no fear of been dropped. Most of the problems are up front, Defence and Midfield good enough. The issue of a small panel coming to bear. Cassidy, Loughlin, Toner, McGrogan are playing well below power and on another team probably be on the bench nxt day out but Derry keeping playing nearly the same team. Did we only bring on 3 subs. Yesterday. How some of the men stay on the panel when never tried says alot about there staying power.

Derry are just teetering along the same as last year. They'll get walloped in croke park in quarter / semi.

Haven't evolved when it comes down to the business end. Tyrone would give a better account against the top 3 or 4 teams even if they'd be beat too.

Oh, and what a player McAvoy turning in to.

Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 28, 2023, 08:50:36 AM
Derry are just teetering along the same as last year. They'll get walloped in croke park in quarter / semi.

Haven't evolved when it comes down to the business end. Tyrone would give a better account against the top 3 or 4 teams even if they'd be beat too.

Is this the Tyrone Derry have been beat by about 10 points in last 2 meetings v Derry. I'll accept Derry won't win the AI and will get beat by someone at Croke Park but this narrative that Tyrone are better is nonsense. No team would have beat Monaghan handy last night the way they played, they are a good side and D1 for a reason. Lets not forget they beat Tyrone a few weeks ago as well

That monaghan point certainly looked wide to me, but Derry were so lethargic.
Last time we played monaghan I think we had 10 different scorers but now we can't seem to buy a score.
Personally, I think the impact of losing Gallagher is the reason for this. He mad sure everyone on the field was putting in the effort.
The high energy we had been playing with has not been there in the last 2 games.
Credit to monaghan,  they learnt their lessons and really should have won.

I'm following Derry long enough to never expect to win and unfortunately playing the waybwe did last night will mean we could be beaten by anyone. Donegal and Clare are not givens.
We need a huge shift in momentum to be in with any chance of challenging a top team.

Quote from: Mario on May 28, 2023, 09:39:14 AM

Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 28, 2023, 08:50:36 AM
Derry are just teetering along the same as last year. They'll get walloped in croke park in quarter / semi.

Haven't evolved when it comes down to the business end. Tyrone would give a better account against the top 3 or 4 teams even if they'd be beat too.

Is this the Tyrone Derry have been beat by about 10 points in last 2 meetings v Derry. I'll accept Derry won't win the AI and will get beat by someone at Croke Park but this narrative that Tyrone are better is nonsense. No team would have beat Monaghan handy last night the way they played, they are a good side and D1 for a reason. Lets not forget they beat Tyrone a few weeks ago as well

Mostly people outside Tyrone talking us up. We have done little yet to convince we are AI contenders this year.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 28, 2023, 08:52:30 AM
Oh, and what a player McAvoy turning in to.

He's great at blocking the ball. Does it regularly.

A skill that you don't see as much of nowadays.

https://twitter.com/CiDeely/status/1662553734197436416?t=b3Bs-MfuaMunQjy-HNaleg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/CiDeely/status/1662553734197436416?t=b3Bs-MfuaMunQjy-HNaleg&s=19)

That was some kick, under pressure.

What the hell is the story with the Derry fans booing?

Beggan and the Derry goalie both pushed well up beyond half way regularly which is crazy if they come across a counterattacking team, rather than a fixed ulster defensive block,  later on .

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2023, 11:52:59 AM
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That was some kick, under pressure.

What the hell is the story with the Derry fans booing?

Awful to hear, and zero excuse for it, but it was a reaction to a few of the referee's calls

Relieved to get out of Celtic Pk with a point yesterday. Certainly a v poor performance from Derry. The intensity that the previous manager brought to the players is evidently missing. Meaning players aren't held to the same v high standards. So they get away with laziness and silly options that they wouldnt have attempted under him.

Though, strangely happy that Derry did something that is often thrown at them by experts on here and elsewhere. They chased down a lead. Twice in the 2nd half they were 3pts down, but managed to claw that back in against an established Div 1 side that was planning and prepping for this game for the last 4 weeks.

Sitting in the stand, so didn't have a view on the 'point', but could tell that the umpires weren't decisive at all. And speaking to (Derry) people on terrace. They were sure it was a wide ball.

Reffing ain't easy, but they definitely are frustrating characters, especially when similar incidents occur and the outcome is different. Fella gets surrounded by tacklers, over carrying one way, next time it's a free the other way. He did tell plenty of lads to cut out the diving.

Derry will never make wholesale changes, but based on the last two games - Cassidy and Loughlin should be benched for next week. Where is the motivation when it's almost harder to get off the team than it is to get on. Cassidy seemed to be chasing shadows the entire game. And Loughlin didn't see any ball. They need a break. Thought Toner put in a decent shift. Murray and one from McCarron/Tad should start.

Ballybofey will really let us know where Derry are at. Donegal already have 2pts on the board and will certainly fancy themselves watching that game. 

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2023, 11:52:59 AM
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That was some kick, under pressure.

What the hell is the story with the Derry fans booing?

Follows all of Gallaghers team like a bad smell.

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That was some kick, under pressure.

What the hell is the story with the Derry fans booing?

Follows all of Gallaghers team like a bad smell.

Aye Gallagher got the fans to boo. Away and have a word with yourself 08.. You lot have plenty to worry about!

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Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2023, 11:52:59 AM
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That was some kick, under pressure.

What the hell is the story with the Derry fans booing?

Follows all of Gallaghers team like a bad smell.

Aye Gallagher got the fans to boo. Away and have a word with yourself 08.. You lot have plenty to worry about!

Ah come off it now, Donegal fans used to boo like mad when him and Jim were in charge. Crept into Fermanagh when he was in charge and now Derry. Bit of a coincidence is it not. Tyrone have nothing to do with it so not sure what's the relevance of Derry fans suddenly booing every free kick since Gallagher in charge has to do with tyrone

I put it down more to a ton of fans now following who were never following Derry through Division 3/4. Hate the booing craic, but in this case I think they booing the ref not Monaghan.

 Regarding yesterdays game versus Monaghan let us get the negatives out of the way first. Derry in the last two games have been well below par both in the Ulster final and  yesterday. When you take into account that practically the same small panel of players have played seventeen high intensity games from the start of the McKenna Cup, through the League, the Ulster Championship and yesterday it is inevitable that the side can not always perform to the same high level.

Last year they peaked at the Ulster final. This year they peaked at the semi final stage  simply because they had to play at a higher level this year earlier in order to achieve their objective of reaching Division One which they duly did.They had to go to extra time and a penalty shoot out in order to win back to back Ulster titles this year. That fact alone and the management upheaval was obviously a further physical and mental strain on the players.

So the dip in form was inevitable but when you consider their magnificent fight back from being three points down in the last minute to even go temporarily ahead shows the innate fighting spirit and resilience of this team. So all is not yet lost.

True there were other negative factors at play in last night's game. First of all the refereeing was of a very low standard..Throughout the game Derry's central players in particular were continually held off the ball when the kick outs were being taken.  This was a crafty and unfair Monaghan tactic to disrupt Derry from transitioning the ball quickly  to their attacking players.Secondly three diabolical decisions were given against Derry when they were in an advantageous position.They were denied a scoreable free and on two other occasions when Derry should have been awarded frees the decision incredibly went the other way.Finally Moaghan's fifth "point" was clearly wide .

On the Derry debit side three of our players gave away unnecessary frees for which we were duly punished. Our greatest faux paus, however, was to push up too far when Monaghan had possession and leave Monaghan to easily score five points from distance. Grant it they were great points but our central defensive marking which allowed Bannigan , McCarthy and company to score at will was very poor. Three players in particular were very slack and unobservant in this regard.This brings me to another couple of problems. In the modern game the top counties have good long distance dead ball kickers. Unfortunately, we only have the magnificent Shane McGuigan for the short and medium right - sided kicks and Niall Toner for the  short left-sided kicks. Two long distance free kicks at least are scored in every top game.

Three of our defenders and three of our starting forwards have not been playing particularly well in their current roles. Maybe the time has come to revise and freshen up our current structure going forward. I strongly believe that the intelligent ball -winning  and definite scoring prowess of Lachlan Murray has to be utilised from the beginning, that Padraig Cassidy should start and if Oisin McWilliams and Matthew Downey are going to be injured for the long term  management will have to seriously consider recalling Emmett Bradley to join Ray McCarron as subs who will be called upon for meaningful substitute time.

Undoubtedly players should be given plenty of rest time in between playing matches for the rest of the season and hopefully the rehabbing Matthew and Oisin will be able to take their places on the bench very soon. That last ten minutes of inspirational play last night should be a strong signal for both management and players that they are basically on the right track but will have to take into consideration some of the points made above.

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That was some kick, under pressure.

What the hell is the story with the Derry fans booing?

How  long was that free kick out from the goal, 45m + 15m? 

using the ol pythagoras theroem and google earth it could be roughly 60m as an estimate

Quote from: Derry Optimist on May 28, 2023, 04:43:38 PM
Regarding yesterdays game versus Monaghan let us get the negatives out of the way first. Derry in the last two games have been well below par both in the Ulster final and  yesterday. When you take into account that practically the same small panel of players have played seventeen high intensity games from the start of the McKenna Cup, through the League, the Ulster Championship and yesterday it is inevitable that the side can not always perform to the same high level.

Last year they peaked at the Ulster final. This year they peaked at the semi final stage  simply because they had to play at a higher level this year earlier in order to achieve their objective of reaching Division One which they duly did.They had to go to extra time and a penalty shoot out in order to win back to back Ulster titles this year. That fact alone and the management upheaval was obviously a further physical and mental strain on the players.

So the dip in form was inevitable but when you consider their magnificent fight back from being three points down in the last minute to even go temporarily ahead shows the innate fighting spirit and resilience of this team. So all is not yet lost.

True there were other negative factors at play in last night's game. First of all the refereeing was of a very low standard..Throughout the game Derry's central players in particular were continually held off the ball when the kick outs were being taken.  This was a crafty and unfair Monaghan tactic to disrupt Derry from transitioning the ball quickly  to their attacking players.Secondly three diabolical decisions were given against Derry when they were in an advantageous position.They were denied a scoreable free and on two other occasions when Derry should have been awarded frees the decision incredibly went the other way.Finally Moaghan's fifth "point" was clearly wide .

On the Derry debit side three of our players gave away unnecessary frees for which we were duly punished. Our greatest faux paus, however, was to push up too far when Monaghan had possession and leave Monaghan to easily score five points from distance. Grant it they were great points but our central defensive marking which allowed Bannigan , McCarthy and company to score at will was very poor. Three players in particular were very slack and unobservant in this regard.This brings me to another couple of problems. In the modern game the top counties have good long distance dead ball kickers. Unfortunately, we only have the magnificent Shane McGuigan for the short and medium right - sided kicks and Niall Toner for the  short left-sided kicks. Two long distance free kicks at least are scored in every top game.

Three of our defenders and three of our starting forwards have not been playing particularly well in their current roles. Maybe the time has come to revise and freshen up our current structure going forward. I strongly believe that the intelligent ball -winning  and definite scoring prowess of Lachlan Murray has to be utilised from the beginning, that Padraig Cassidy should start and if Oisin McWilliams and Matthew Downey are going to be injured for the long term  management will have to seriously consider recalling Emmett Bradley to join Ray McCarron as subs who will be called upon for meaningful substitute time.

Undoubtedly players should be given plenty of rest time in between playing matches for the rest of the season and hopefully the rehabbing Matthew and Oisin will be able to take their places on the bench very soon. That last ten minutes of inspirational play last night should be a strong signal for both management and players that they are basically on the right track but will have to take into consideration some of the points made above.

A great player.  But I somehow feel his best days are behind him and he would struggle to impact the game even as a sub.

And he's from Monaghan.

I was on the Terrace side, about 30m out from goal and that Monaghan point looked very wide to me. I felt the ref gave some brutal decisions against Derry (like others have pointed out). All of that said, Derry were very flat throughout the game, and seemed unwilling to take some of the attacking chances they had been taking prior to the Ulster final. Monaghan played well and took some great long range points. We were lucky to come out with the draw, truth be told. Great character to come back from the dead though. Hopefully we can push on in Ballybofey. I feel like this Donegal game will have a significant bearing on what the rest of our season will look like.

Quote from: OakLeaf on May 30, 2023, 03:10:07 PM
I was on the Terrace side, about 30m out from goal and that Monaghan point looked very wide to me. I felt the ref gave some brutal decisions against Derry (like others have pointed out). All of that said, Derry were very flat throughout the game, and seemed unwilling to take some of the attacking chances they had been taking prior to the Ulster final. Monaghan played well and took some great long range points. We were lucky to come out with the draw, truth be told. Great character to come back from the dead though. Hopefully we can push on in Ballybofey. I feel like this Donegal game will have a significant bearing on what the rest of our season will look like.

Done.

Quote from: restorepride on June 04, 2023, 11:58:16 PM
Done.

Aye, very good performance yesterday. A lot more running hard at the Donegal defence. Something we didn't do against Monaghan. Jesus it was hot on the terrace side. I thought the referee was very fussy .. blew up far too much. I still hate that advance mark. Kicking from 1m outside the 45 into somebody's mid rift, 20m away is still just alien to me. A free kick reward for that! That said, Gallen was fantastic.

Quote from: OakLeaf on June 05, 2023, 09:01:58 AM

Quote from: restorepride on June 04, 2023, 11:58:16 PM
Done.

Aye, very good performance yesterday. A lot more running hard at the Donegal defence. Something we didn't do against Monaghan. Jesus it was hot on the terrace side. I thought the referee was very fussy .. blew up far too much. I still hate that advance mark. Kicking from 1m outside the 45 into somebody's mid rift, 20m away is still just alien to me. A free kick reward for that! That said, Gallen was fantastic.

I'd say very very few would disagree, yet its there as a rule. Mind blowing

Quote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2023, 12:57:11 PM

Quote from: OakLeaf on June 05, 2023, 09:01:58 AM

Quote from: restorepride on June 04, 2023, 11:58:16 PM
Done.

Aye, very good performance yesterday. A lot more running hard at the Donegal defence. Something we didn't do against Monaghan. Jesus it was hot on the terrace side. I thought the referee was very fussy .. blew up far too much. I still hate that advance mark. Kicking from 1m outside the 45 into somebody's mid rift, 20m away is still just alien to me. A free kick reward for that! That said, Gallen was fantastic.

I'd say very very few would disagree, yet its there as a rule. Mind blowing

Classic case of unintended consequences. Brought in to encourage high fielding, turned into a set play piece for coaches to try and manufacture a score at specific times.  Dublin v Rossies and Armagh v Derry had very similar plays setting up shots for rock and grugan to win their games - both missed.
Is there an argument for retaining it, if it required kicker to be outside the 45 and recipient inside the 20? Or just get rid??
Is David Hasson still chair of that rules committee?

Quote from: onefineday on June 09, 2023, 12:52:05 AM

Quote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2023, 12:57:11 PM

Quote from: OakLeaf on June 05, 2023, 09:01:58 AM

Quote from: restorepride on June 04, 2023, 11:58:16 PM
Done.

Aye, very good performance yesterday. A lot more running hard at the Donegal defence. Something we didn't do against Monaghan. Jesus it was hot on the terrace side. I thought the referee was very fussy .. blew up far too much. I still hate that advance mark. Kicking from 1m outside the 45 into somebody's mid rift, 20m away is still just alien to me. A free kick reward for that! That said, Gallen was fantastic.

I'd say very very few would disagree, yet its there as a rule. Mind blowing

Classic case of unintended consequences. Brought in to encourage high fielding, turned into a set play piece for coaches to try and manufacture a score at specific times.  Dublin v Rossies and Armagh v Derry had very similar plays setting up shots for rock and grugan to win their games - both missed.
Is there an argument for retaining it, if it required kicker to be outside the 45 and recipient inside the 20? Or just get rid??
Is David Hasson still chair of that rules committee?

Get rid. I don't think it brings anything positive to the game.
Only potential argument for is on kickouts...perhaps retain for kickouts that pass the 45. That might encourage the long high kicks and high fielding a little, but outside of that I think it is detrimental to a game. Slows it down, removes the the 1v1 battles between a forward and defender and as far as entertainment goes (which everyone seems obsessed with) I don't find it entertaining.

Quote from: onefineday on April 30, 2023, 01:06:48 AM

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 29, 2023, 06:52:27 PM
Enjoyed that.

But there isn't a single Monaghan man you wouldn't want playing for Derry.

?

I hope events since that game have somewhat clarified my post. Everyone of them is a warrior.

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 03, 2023, 10:07:49 PM

Quote from: onefineday on April 30, 2023, 01:06:48 AM

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 29, 2023, 06:52:27 PM
Enjoyed that.

But there isn't a single Monaghan man you wouldn't want playing for Derry.

?

I hope events since that game have somewhat clarified my post. Everyone of them is a warrior.

NO - I wouldn't want Lavelle, Gallagher, Lennon, Jones nor either Hughes at this stage.  You can only carry so many warriors.

We carrying an odd boy ourselves!

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 03, 2023, 11:43:59 PM
We carrying an odd boy ourselves!

True - but that wasn't the question!!