Brexit.

[Sweeper 123]

I honestly believe the UK doesnt care  about ni, hard border or not ; and why would they.... were just small fish;

[johnnycool]

I honestly believe the UK doesnt care  about ni, hard border or not ; and why would they.... were just small fish;

Agreed,
.   but they also want to save face and not have the EU dictating to them.

[imtommygunn]

It's ridiculous how little they know. I watch that last leg on four sometimes and that josh witticombe guy (spelling) was astounded that there was no border and you just started using different currency all of a sudden. This was a revelation and he should be educated.

[seafoid]

Seafoid - aren't you the poster who said that the people of GB couldn't care less about the Somme?  Do you have many supporters on here?

Have you got any data on your thesis?

[Ronnie]

Researchers are currently collating the data.  Will that change your opinion?

[manfromdelmonte]

the only thing keeping NI relevant is the Good Friday Agreement - an international recognised treaty.

[Shamrock Shore]

Now that Trump is going guns blazing for a trade war with the EU how are the Brexiteers going to get this magic trade deal for the UK post-Brexit now?

[screenexile]

Now that Trump is going guns blazing for a trade war with the EU how are the Brexiteers going to get this magic trade deal for the UK post-Brexit now?

They'll spin it in their favour saying it's a good job we're getting out because American trade is gone under the EU!

[Shamrock Shore]

Now that Trump is going guns blazing for a trade war with the EU how are the Brexiteers going to get this magic trade deal for the UK post-Brexit now?

They'll spin it in their favour saying it's a good job we're getting out because American trade is gone under the EU!

Yes - but will the US offer a 'good' trade deal to the UK (special relationship and all) while it's a policy of America First?

me arse will they.

[screenexile]

Now that Trump is going guns blazing for a trade war with the EU how are the Brexiteers going to get this magic trade deal for the UK post-Brexit now?

They'll spin it in their favour saying it's a good job we're getting out because American trade is gone under the EU!

Yes - but will the US offer a 'good' trade deal to the UK (special relationship and all) while it's a policy of America First?

me arse will they.

Totally agree!

[heganboy]

Here's a phrase I didn't think I'd ever type:

Michael Heseltine, the voice of reason.

The downsides are becoming more evident as time passes. We have had a serious devaluation of the currency. We have turned ourselves from the fastest growing to the slowest growing economy in Europe and we have made a complete Horlicks of the Irish border. I am totally with the view of Tony Blair and John Major that this matter has got to go back to parliament and possibly to a referendum or a general election.

[seafoid]

Here's a phrase I didn't think I'd ever type:

Michael Heseltine, the voice of reason.

The downsides are becoming more evident as time passes. We have had a serious devaluation of the currency. We have turned ourselves from the fastest growing to the slowest growing economy in Europe and we have made a complete Horlicks of the Irish border. I am totally with the view of Tony Blair and John Major that this matter has got to go back to parliament and possibly to a referendum or a general election.

The older leaders see the car crash. They all hated the Eurosceptics.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/03/tories-brexit-michael-heseltine-theresa-may

Tory hopes of uniting the party behind Theresa May's latest vision for Brexit faded as former deputy prime minister Michael Heseltine dismissed her latest speech as just more "phrases, generalisations and platitudes" which had done nothing to make a deal more likely.

While most Conservative MPs and peers gave the prime minister a period of grace after Friday's address, Heseltine said all May had done was offer more detail on a set of demands that the European Union had made clear all along it would never agree to.


Talking to the Observer, he said: "The speech just moves us further down the cherry-picking road. It set out the cherries that Britain wants to pick but that approach completely ignores the fact that the EU has said, 'sorry there is no cherry picking'."

He added: "Why is it that after 18 months since the referendum we have not got any closer with these issues? The answer is simple: because no one has got any answer about how to do it."

He said the huge gulf between what May was asking for and what the EU would be prepared to give was as wide, if not wider, than ever, leaving UK businesses in despair, and with no option but to consider postponing investment, or placing their money and plans elsewhere.

"While that gap remains industry will continue to make assumptions that will involve moving investment from here to the continent," he said.

 

We've gone from the fastest growing to the slowest growing economy in Europe and made a Horlicks of the Irish border

A lifelong europhile, Heseltineconceded that the prime minister was in a difficult position, as rightwing Tory MPs held "a knife to her throat".





But neither the prime minister nor her cabinet had made any progress on the central Brexitproblems, including the Irish border, because such issues were essentially not solvable unless the UK stayed in the EU.

The only way forward, he said, was for the issues to be put back to parliament, and then to an election or referendum. "The downsides are becoming more evident as time passes. We have had a serious devaluation of the currency. We have turned ourselves from the fastest growing to the slowest growing economy in Europe and we have made a complete Horlicks of the Irish border. I am totally with the view of Tony Blair and John Major that this matter has got to go back to parliament and possibly to a referendum or a general election."

[bennydorano]

It's going to end up a hard brexit, quite simply because it's going to be the least complicated to deliver. Hopefully the Government will fall before this and / or a 2nd Referendum will happen. I don't think Labour are any clearer in their vision of Brexit mind you and I'm still not a huge fan of Corbyn, eurosceptic that he is I think he could be bounced into a 2nd Referendum if he did get into power - hopefully having seen the cluster f**k that it is he might change his eurosceptic stance.

[Orior]

Not related to Brexit but on Stormont and the exchange of a draft agreement, on Twitter Snarlene has been christened Arlene Fraudster, lol

[AQMP]

It's going to end up a hard brexit, quite simply because it's going to be the least complicated to deliver. Hopefully the Government will fall before this and / or a 2nd Referendum will happen. I don't think Labour are any clearer in their vision of Brexit mind you and I'm still not a huge fan of Corbyn, eurosceptic that he is I think he could be bounced into a 2nd Referendum if he did get into power - hopefully having seen the cluster f**k that it is he might change his eurosceptic stance.

I think you might be right benny.  Deep down I've a bad feeling that if something has to give to get a deal between the EU and UK, then it might be the border.