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« Reply #15360 on: January 29, 2023, 05:43:55 PM »
Tyrone did get worse when he went off. I do think his role has to change. Maybe back to when he would have played at 6 and just sit there. We have been wide open in our defence especially when we are turned over.

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« Reply #15361 on: January 29, 2023, 05:46:03 PM »
Exciting game and full credit to the rossies for the win. In the first half they set up brilliantly with zonal marking and we really struggled to break thru them with the Gael force win. Start of the second half we really should have went 6 up and we probably would have held out, but wasn't to be.
Munroe got a black card at a terrible time,not sure what for but very frustrating. Personally wouldn't have him near the team as all he does is foul or else hit men after they have played the ball.
McShane had a tough time in the first half following his man up the field all the time and we needed McCurry on. Matty wasn't as bad as people make out here, was a good outlet and won 3 scoreable frees, 2 of which went over with harte kicking the other badly wide from 25 yards. Also layed one of in the first half which was scored. Taking him of may have cost us the game as Jones didn't seem to know who he was on for while  and to me was to blame for the two goals. But he's a great prospect and one we need to be sticking with.
Going forward there's only really one man that you would want managing Tyrone next year ands it's Malachy. Logie and dooher have done brilliant so far but I can't see them wanting to stay another year unless they win Sam again which you wouldn't rule out as we have done so in the past

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« Reply #15362 on: January 29, 2023, 06:07:30 PM »
Mattie must provide a serious bit of leadership for that team because without him they are very poor.  As someone mentioned he picked up alot of frees today to the point I thought his marker was in trouble.  Notvsurecwhat the black card wad for either but after seeing the mayo black card last night I wouldn't have been surprised I'd it was for sonething sift.  Tyrone get that goal to go 6 up and they'd probably win by 10, instead ros get a goal and they're back in it fighting fir everything.
I only hope Tyrone are holding sonething back as it doesn't look good at this stage

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« Reply #15363 on: January 29, 2023, 08:08:28 PM »
Tyrone I think will give Cork 2010 a run for their money as being the worst team to have ever won an All Ireland.

Strange old opinion. That team was knocking on the door for a while. Post Harte they went up a level or two at the same time the Dubs were starting to decline. Tyrone put up some great performances (in testing circumstances) and were deserving champions. The shite served up since is irrelevant.

Still early days for this year but that was worrying again. Played well against the wind and after going 3 in front in the second half there should only have been one winner. The way Tyrone let it slip away was reminiscent of last year, lack of shape and leadership. Unrecognisable from the Iaforementioned team of 2021. It's not beyond them to pull things together but manner of that defeat a little concerning.
The performance in the aisf and final were outstanding that year and Tyrone were lauded for their thrilling football in Croke Park where all Irelands are won.  As good an AI as any ever won so dont listen to the b/s. I was there in 2010 and Cork won it because Down gave it away.
Donegal in 2012 were not better performers than Tyrone in 2021 either. also Dublin 13 and Kerry 14 were very iffy.
I think there will be a sting in the tail yet.  We need to move in the next few years away from the running game of Mc G and Meyler and get the ball in quick.  The game is changing very quickly again and so will our personnel up front in the next few months. To call for heads of an all ireland winning group and management within 16 months of winning Sam, is reminiscent of Derry and Coleman. I am not listening to that. I suspect we will go further than any Ulster or Connaught team this year.   





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« Reply #15364 on: January 29, 2023, 09:34:14 PM »
agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didnít look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly

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« Reply #15365 on: January 29, 2023, 10:03:42 PM »
agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didnít look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly
Interested to hear who the eight would be

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« Reply #15366 on: January 29, 2023, 10:04:56 PM »
2 players let go during the week- liam nugent plus 1 other who I do not know

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« Reply #15367 on: January 29, 2023, 10:10:06 PM »
Maybe it would be worth fast tracking some more if the successful u-21 team.  Not necessarily canavan as I think they need to bring him along but sure to get others.  Get them blooded this year and if that us all we do then so be it

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« Reply #15368 on: January 29, 2023, 10:19:11 PM »
agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didnít look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly

You say they donít look fit - theyíre not carrying weight, does their sharpness then come back to the S&C of Peter Donnelly? The same Peter Donnelly who had them in the shape to win an all Ireland 2 years ago - itís a funny old game.

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« Reply #15369 on: January 29, 2023, 10:20:37 PM »
Who else is involved in the squad from last years u20s? Niall Devlin has been heavily involved and playing pretty well so far. Cush there too and weíre working off the assumption that McGleenan and Canavan are involved in the wider squad? Anyone else from that squad capable of making the step up yet? McHugh has another 3 or 4 years at MacRory Cup level with HTC so heíll probably be included in a few years.

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« Reply #15370 on: January 29, 2023, 10:21:07 PM »
agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didnít look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly

You say they donít look fit - theyíre not carrying weight, does their sharpness then come back to the S&C of Peter Donnelly? The same Peter Donnelly who had them in the shape to win an all Ireland 2 years ago - itís a funny old game.

Peter Donnelly not involved anymore.

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« Reply #15371 on: January 29, 2023, 10:34:13 PM »
2 players let go during the week- liam nugent plus 1 other who I do not know

Why nugent? Played McKenna cup

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« Reply #15372 on: January 29, 2023, 10:58:27 PM »
agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didnít look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly

You say they donít look fit - theyíre not carrying weight, does their sharpness then come back to the S&C of Peter Donnelly? The same Peter Donnelly who had them in the shape to win an all Ireland 2 years ago - itís a funny old game.

To me particularly in the last 20 very heavy legged, a particularly in a few roscommon counter attack they seemed to be able to pull away from the tyrone men and the support play was not its usual energy - so itís either they are doing a load of work during the week or conditioning isnt where it needs to be but donít think iíll watch that one back to verify!

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« Reply #15373 on: January 29, 2023, 11:41:32 PM »
Who else is involved in the squad from last years u20s? Niall Devlin has been heavily involved and playing pretty well so far. Cush there too and weíre working off the assumption that McGleenan and Canavan are involved in the wider squad? Anyone else from that squad capable of making the step up yet? McHugh has another 3 or 4 years at MacRory Cup level with HTC so heíll probably be included in a few years.

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« Reply #15374 on: January 30, 2023, 09:39:44 AM »
agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didnít look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly

You say they donít look fit - theyíre not carrying weight, does their sharpness then come back to the S&C of Peter Donnelly? The same Peter Donnelly who had them in the shape to win an all Ireland 2 years ago - itís a funny old game.

To me particularly in the last 20 very heavy legged, a particularly in a few roscommon counter attack they seemed to be able to pull away from the tyrone men and the support play was not its usual energy - so itís either they are doing a load of work during the week or conditioning isnt where it needs to be but donít think iíll watch that one back to verify!

When teams are not playing well they can look unfit. I would doubt that is the actual case. It's a difficult time for the team. They don't seem to have any belief and are looking around at each other for leadership and inspiration. It's definitely lacking.