The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

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T Fearon

True. Celtic struggled profusely against a mediocre Aberdeen team in two matches. You might be able to excuse one bad performance but not two. Also money has been made available to Strachan and he has been given more than goodwill by the fans. At last year's AGM he got a standing ovation.

I can't see the likes of Mc Geady, Nakamura, Boruc and Brown hanging around for long if they don't win anything this season.

A great little player who I had the privilege of watching on a few occasions, Strachan alas has done little or nothing to warrant the post of Celtic Manager in his managerial career.His track record with Southampton and Coventry was nothing to write home about. Even qualifying for the knockout stages for the last two CL Campaigns owed more to luck than shrewd tactical planning and remember Mc Leish did this in his last season with the huns.

Rav67

Quote from: clarshack on March 19, 2008, 02:53:41 PM
would gus hiddink be an unrealistic target?

He seems to be want to try his hand at all sorts of jobs(not just the very high-profile leagues) so he might be prepared to come to Scotland, if the money was right of course.  I hadn't thought of him but he has excellent pedigree.

Lynchboy- in fairness he recovered well from Bratislava, and got the team playing some nice football that season.  Your correct about the tempo now though, its often far too slow and easy to defend against if the opposition pack the midfield.  Poor to watch most of the time as well. 

Leaving aside managerial targets, we all seem to agree that there's a lot of shit players there who will have to be cleared out if anyone will take them.  What realistic targets are there to go for in the summer?

lynchbhoy

Quote from: Rav67 on March 19, 2008, 03:37:21 PM
Lynchboy- in fairness he recovered well from Bratislava, and got the team playing some nice football that season.  Your correct about the tempo now though, its often far too slow and easy to defend against if the opposition pack the midfield.  Poor to watch most of the time as well. 
I disagree. Plenty of other times GS has got it so wrong tactically you have to wonder does he learn from his mistakes.
Inded even recently, Celtic were chasing the game in barcelona and he went with a 451 and dropped his top scoring striker.
The year after Bratislava GA was guilty of not playing a safer game away from home and very nearly cost Celtic CL access.

He is either arrogant or dumb - maybe both.

Mowbray may do a decent job, McGhee has had good and bad success. McCarthy has stagnated and I would not like him to become manager.
Would love to see MON return. Moyes might be in with a shout.
Billy davies wouldnt dare ever take the Celtic job - he would lose his place in the local lodge.
I'd like to see George Graham or George burley get the Celtic job - if not a bigger name like hiddink. Wouldnt mind moyes or Mowbray either.
Keane too untested as is Lambo.
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illdecide

We're all forgetting something "the Celtic Board love the we ginger c**t" as he's not demanding big money for players who will demand top wages and as far as they are concerned he brought in success and money for the last 2 years. Why change to a top manager who will demand 15-20 million for players and pay them top bucks. All Celtic are concerned about is paying of their debt (which is understandable to a certain extent) but we are going nowhere fast.

Not sure how many games Celtic (nearly said "We" check out the other thread) have played this year and i can only recall about 5-6 games where i was pleased with the performance and football from the team. Now when you take into consideration the dirt we have been playing it's just unacceptable...
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Lamh Dhearg Alba

Should be said also that it was a good win for Aberdeen who should have finished Celtic off in the first game really. Must say I was pretty disgusted by those Celtic fans who threw their scarves onto the park at full-time (their 'support' through the game was poor as well). Its all very well to be turning out for the big European games and belting out You'll Never Walk Alone but support for the team is maybe even more important when theyre struggling. It was wanting last night.

stiffler

We hear enough of Roy Keane as Sunderland mananger, i dont think I could take it if he was in charge of the hoops!
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Gaoth Dobhair Abu

I think that Illdecide has hit the nail on the head, the board and Lawwell have the final say on this one, and I think that WGS gives them the cheapest option.
With the Hun facing another replay in the SC (lets remember that their not that good either, the Arabs should have beaten them last Sun, Partick give them a hard one last night, and by all accounts should have had a penalty) their fixture congestion is getting ridiculous, it WILL have a bearing on where the league is going this season. Ferguson playing when injured, Cousin out for a month, who next, fatigue will set in.


Hail Hail
Tbc....

T Fearon

Actually read Strachan in the View this week and he emphasises the relative youth of the team and the missing vital experience needed to turn crucial tight games. He reckons this will come in time. A fair enough point I suppose and it shows just how badly Lennon is being missed currently. Then again he continues to ignore the experience of Bobo etc

Hound

Quote from: T Fearon on March 20, 2008, 11:43:21 AM
Actually read Strachan in the View this week and he emphasises the relative youth of the team and the missing vital experience needed to turn crucial tight games. He reckons this will come in time.
Might explain his interest in bringing in Harry Kewell on a free this summer

Main Street

Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 20, 2008, 11:37:46 AM
I think that Illdecide has hit the nail on the head, the board and Lawwell have the final say on this one, and I think that WGS gives them the cheapest option.
With the Hun facing another replay in the SC (lets remember that their not that good either, the Arabs should have beaten them last Sun, Partick give them a hard one last night, and by all accounts should have had a penalty) their fixture congestion is getting ridiculous, it WILL have a bearing on where the league is going this season. Ferguson playing when injured, Cousin out for a month, who next, fatigue will set in.
Hail Hail
Rangers tripping over themselves for a third year in a row  doesn´t make Strachan a better manager for Celtic.

It´s obvious is that it´s a team with a massive support of 60k average.
But the real profit comes from TV/CL/sponsorship money, not ticket sales.

Celtics finances have benefited radically from cutting wages and continued CL participation.

The finances look good to me,
from
2004 /05  turnover £62m  wages £38m  loss  £8m
to
2006/07      turnover  75m   wages  36m  profit 15m
I don´t know what the long term debt is, I´d guess it´s relatively small.

Finish a well beaten second in the league, out of the cup, a dicey CL qualifier to negotiate next season, discontent on the terraces. 
If the argument is that Strachan is good for the finances then it´s still conditional on a minimum level of football success.
Where is the boards minimum level?

I think it would be good for Strachan´cv to get out at the end of the season while he is ahead.

tyroneman

Lets just have a look at WGS's transfer dealings.........now this from a man who spent 1.5 years travelling the globe watching football.................

Telfer - rubbish
Du Wei - rubbish
Aliadiere - rubbish
Mo Camara - rubbish
Adam Virgo - rubbish
Boruc - superb
Mark Brown - rubbish
Mark Wilson - ok
Lee Naylor - rubbish
Roy Keane - average
Naka - good for 1st season and a half, rubbish since
Caldwell - rubbish
Zurawski - good for 1 season then rubbish
Kenny Miller - rubbish
Jiri Jarosik - played out of positition until he just didn't care
Tommy G. - rubbish
JVOH - Good first season - rubbish now
Andy Hinkel - unproven
Sno - rubbish
Killen - rubbish
McDonald - alright for ther money paid
Scott Brown - rubbish
Donati - rubbish
Barry Robson - waste of money
Paul Hartley - rubbish
Steven Pressley - rubbish
Koki Mizuno - for future
Ben Hutchison - has he got a game yet?
Derek Riordan - wasted money - never given a proper chance
Dion Dublin - rubbish
Samaras - average
Doumbe - jury out

Not the best record there eh Gordon?

Over the Bar

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Strachan was brought in a cheapo option as MON's team had to be rebuilt from scratch due to non-financing of MON in his later tenure and ther was little to fund rebuilding.

Strachan managed to win 2 titles in his first 2 seasons as well as his CL last 16 achievements and deserves as much if not more credit than McLeish who was brought in at Rangers under similar circumstances.   

Strachan's record speaks for itself and  I thank him for what he's done even if it looks now like Rangers will go on to dominate for the next few years under Smith - a superb manager, the likes of which Celtic deserve but the bungling board could not attract to Parkhead.

Lamh Dhearg Alba

Quote from: tyroneman on March 20, 2008, 08:48:07 PM
Lets just have a look at WGS's transfer dealings.........now this from a man who spent 1.5 years travelling the globe watching football.................

Telfer - rubbish
Du Wei - rubbish
Aliadiere - rubbish
Mo Camara - rubbish
Adam Virgo - rubbish
Boruc - superb
Mark Brown - rubbish
Mark Wilson - ok
Lee Naylor - rubbish
Roy Keane - average
Naka - good for 1st season and a half, rubbish since
Caldwell - rubbish
Zurawski - good for 1 season then rubbish
Kenny Miller - rubbish
Jiri Jarosik - played out of positition until he just didn't care
Tommy G. - rubbish
JVOH - Good first season - rubbish now
Andy Hinkel - unproven
Sno - rubbish
Killen - rubbish
McDonald - alright for ther money paid
Scott Brown - rubbish
Donati - rubbish
Barry Robson - waste of money
Paul Hartley - rubbish
Steven Pressley - rubbish
Koki Mizuno - for future
Ben Hutchison - has he got a game yet?
Derek Riordan - wasted money - never given a proper chance
Dion Dublin - rubbish
Samaras - average
Doumbe - jury out

Not the best record there eh Gordon?

tyroneman you are unbelievably harsh on some of these lads! Robson only joined a few weeks ago and has done fine so far yet he is branded rubbish! Similarly Hartley has been quite effective in the holding role but he is rubbish as well? Scott Brown - a young lad who has done well until running into a sticky patch of late. He's rubbish too though ;D. Poor old Scott McDonald is "arite for the money paid". How many goals has the lad scored?? There's a few more there who dont deserve the abuse you are dishing out. And dont forget Saint MON made a few shocking signings as well (indeed the mighty Mo Camara was one he was working on and passed on to Strachan). Id agree that WGS's signing record is up and down but you need to have a bit more perspective here!

Over the Bar

QuoteNaka - good for 1st season and a half, rubbish since

Wise up you moron.  One of the best dead ball speacialists in Europe who's inconsistency can largely be blamed on injuries attributable to Scottish refs allowing him to be kicked to death by muck-savage opposition with little or no protection afforded.

tyroneman

QuoteWise up you moron.  One of the best dead ball speacialists in Europe who's inconsistency can largely be blamed on injuries attributable to Scottish refs allowing him to be kicked to death by muck-savage opposition with little or no protection afforded

Leaving aside the fact you can't engage in a structured debate without reducing yourself to childish insults............

As I said before he's been nothing more than a special teams player this season. There are plenty of dead ball specialists in Europe sure, there are also plenty in non-league football - it doesn't make them great players.  Naka this year has been a one trick pony,an opinion which you will find is commopnly held, if you speak to the vast majority of Celtic fans, or even peruse the Celtic messageboards.

Ask yourself why Strachan refused to start him in the last OF, despite being fit enough to play. You can't excuse poor form on injuries for this long..at some stage you have to hold your hand up and declare you are either fit or not fit to play. If you are fit you get on with it.

Ask yourself how many games this year and the latter half of last year he has started and contributed zero (outside of free kicks) in.

Ask yourself why a host of European giants were not beating down the door to sign him if he is such a superstar (and factor in the enormous revenue he generates too). Not even mediocre Euro clubs were bothered enough to chase him to any significant degree.

Larsson, Lubo, Collins, Johnson even McGeady are all examples of flair players who managed to survive and excell in the Scottish league without protection from referees. In fact the bias shown against these players was much much worse than Naka gets.

The fact that Naka has zero b*lls for a scrap in a game is his responsibility alone. In Italy and Spain the defenders  are every bit as cynical yet Robinho, Messi et all seem to do alright.

so have a think on these points and come back with something approching a reasoned argument (other than he takes great free kicks and has nasty defenders stopping him play)before calling someone else a moron.