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General discussion / Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« on: December 05, 2022, 02:01:15 PM »
Seems this poll was commissioned by the 'ARINS' project and carried out by Ipsos. The last time a poll showed this little support for Irish Unity in the north was in one carried out in 2018 (it actually had support for unity lower, at 21%). It too was commissioned by the 'ARINS' project and carried out by Ipsos.

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General discussion / Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« on: December 05, 2022, 01:49:25 PM »
Just because we don't like the outcome we cannot discard these polls. Lots of work needs to be done, even to convince SF voters.

Nobody is suggesting any poll can be/should be/could be "discarded". Simply making the point that in terms of support for unity, the findings of this specific poll are so far removed from the finding of every other poll for the past two years, that it's findings can, at the very least, be taken with a large pinch of salt. particularly so when the historically most accurate polling company found support for unity to be at 41% in the most recent poll before this one. Anyone who thinks there has been a swing of 15% in that time needs to get their head looked at.

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General discussion / Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« on: December 05, 2022, 01:24:42 PM »
Yesterdays poll appears to be something of a outlier to say the least. How can support for unity in the north be at 26% if every other poll taken in the past two years has support at between 30%-43%, and averaging at 36%? No doubt Ipsos are a reputable agency, but surely when one result is just so far out from every other poll, it's casts a reasonable doubt. The most accurate polling agency at elections, almost almost without fail, has been Lucid Talk and in their five polls on Unity in the last two years, the support in the north has been found to be 42%, 43%, 42% and 41%. I find 26% to be more than hard to believe.



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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: November 27, 2022, 08:25:19 PM »
From 'Squinter' on twitter:

"The Leinster rugby squad was given the PA on a flight back from Glasgow to sing 'Ooh, ah, up the Ra.' Consequence? Nothing. A young woman who did it has been subjected to a week of ceaseless vilification, culminating today in holiday pix of her in a bikini in a Sunday paper.
If you joined in this carnival of rank hypocrisy, if you had nothing to say about famous, wealthy, privileged sportsmen and joined this now mental health-threatening pile-on, hang your head. Especially if you are a woman. I hope today she is getting the support she needs."


Nail on the head.

Ah the old mental health card and young woman (she’s 34) card,

I think most people want to know why? What possessed her to do it, at what point she thought it would be funny and then uploading it!!

When the next ejjit does it ( it will happen) will you have the same view?

Also I take it you were fine with the singing in the band hall?

Did you say anything about the Leinster team?

You never asked me, but daft if they did it and sang it to someone who had a parent targeted plus  recorded it and uploaded to social media

Have you link to the singing?

I didn't ask you about the girl either but you've said plenty about her.

Like I say, squinter hit the nail on the head.

And no, the Leinster team didn't say it to the daughter of someone targeted by the IRA, but neither did the Wolfe Tones, nor the Irish women's soccer team, but you didnt wait for me to invite you to commment on those either.

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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: November 27, 2022, 08:04:07 PM »
Are you ever not pretending to be outraged Snapchap ?

Do you ever have anything constructive to add to a discussion? Just sniping at me, is that all you have to offer?

Besides, wasn't my post kinda highlighting the "ourtrage" behind directed at this woman by so many? Have a look at the outraged reaction to her on this board, over two threads. for a week now. Are you OK with that "outrage"?

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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: November 27, 2022, 08:02:51 PM »
Are you ever not pretending to be outraged Snapchap ?

He's all about the what about

Whatabout? How is it "whataboutery" when both cases are instances of "up the ra" chanting? Did you say anything about the Leinster Team?

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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: November 27, 2022, 08:01:22 PM »
From 'Squinter' on twitter:

"The Leinster rugby squad was given the PA on a flight back from Glasgow to sing 'Ooh, ah, up the Ra.' Consequence? Nothing. A young woman who did it has been subjected to a week of ceaseless vilification, culminating today in holiday pix of her in a bikini in a Sunday paper.
If you joined in this carnival of rank hypocrisy, if you had nothing to say about famous, wealthy, privileged sportsmen and joined this now mental health-threatening pile-on, hang your head. Especially if you are a woman. I hope today she is getting the support she needs."


Nail on the head.

Ah the old mental health card and young woman (she’s 34) card,

I think most people want to know why? What possessed her to do it, at what point she thought it would be funny and then uploading it!!

When the next ejjit does it ( it will happen) will you have the same view?

Also I take it you were fine with the singing in the band hall?

Did you say anything about the Leinster team?

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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: November 27, 2022, 07:16:44 PM »
From 'Squinter' on twitter:

"The Leinster rugby squad was given the PA on a flight back from Glasgow to sing 'Ooh, ah, up the Ra.' Consequence? Nothing. A young woman who did it has been subjected to a week of ceaseless vilification, culminating today in holiday pix of her in a bikini in a Sunday paper.
If you joined in this carnival of rank hypocrisy, if you had nothing to say about famous, wealthy, privileged sportsmen and joined this now mental health-threatening pile-on, hang your head. Especially if you are a woman. I hope today she is getting the support she needs."


Nail on the head.

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General discussion / Re: Shoot to Kill 1982
« on: November 25, 2022, 10:16:28 PM »
Makes u wonder how this case, like many other were not properly dealt with at the time, how much pressure from England was been put on Judges here at the time, plus am sure the Judges were 90% Protestant/Unionist at the time and impartiality was only a buzz word.
It rarely reached the Judges. Soldiers acted with impunity, knowing the higher ups would protect their own. When the RUC were involved they were generally happy enough to let the Army brass deal with it.

Speaking of the role of judges. The Rock Bar in Granemore, Co Armagh was targeted in a gun and bomb attack in 1976. 17 innocent people were in the bar and by a miracle, all survived. All four of those who carried out the attack were on-duty RUC officers. They arrived to carry out the attack in an unmarked police car. Some of those involved returned to the scene shortly after to take statements from survivors. When it came to trial, the judge, Lord Lowry, sympathised with the attackers, saying in his summing up that "more than ordinary police work was needed and was justified to rid the land of the pestilence which has been in existence.”

The message then from the judiciary was that Catholics were legitimate targets.

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General discussion / Re: Shoot to Kill 1982
« on: November 25, 2022, 01:53:44 PM »
Interesting to see what unionist politicians have  to say about it

Will they  be as keen  to defend him now he’s a convicted killer?

Is it still a “witch hunt” dragging these soldiers through the courts?  Well, today  we have the answer

As NAG1 said, this place is utterly predictable. Carla Lockhard would be posing for photos beside him if she got a half a chance.

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General discussion / Re: Shoot to Kill 1982
« on: November 25, 2022, 01:51:59 PM »
Mad. In the hour and a half since posting the news of the first British Soldier to be convicted since the GFA (one of only handful of them to have ever been convicted in relation to a killing here), and given the high profile nature of the case, and the fact that Aidan was a GAA man, you'd have thought this news might have seen a bit of discussion/reaction  ???

Just one day after the British Government took it's latest step towards bringing in a blanket amnesty for all it's security force personnel, it seems (if the last hour and a half's activity is anything to go by) that gaaboarders are still more concerned about a week old story where some drunk woman said 'up the ra' to Arlene Foster.

So you only posted it to complain that nobody is commenting on it ? Strange behaviour

I posted it because its a big news story today. Is it not?

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General discussion / Re: Shoot to Kill 1982
« on: November 25, 2022, 01:40:10 PM »
Mad. In the hour and a half since posting the news of the first British Soldier to be convicted since the GFA (one of only handful of them to have ever been convicted in relation to a killing here), and given the high profile nature of the case, and the fact that Aidan was a GAA man, you'd have thought this news might have seen a bit of discussion/reaction  ???

Just one day after the British Government took it's latest step towards bringing in a blanket amnesty for all it's security force personnel, it seems (if the last hour and a half's activity is anything to go by) that gaaboarders are still more concerned about a week old story where some drunk woman said 'up the ra' to Arlene Foster.

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General discussion / Re: Shoot to Kill 1982
« on: November 25, 2022, 12:10:48 PM »
Former British Soldier David Holden has just been found guilty of the manslaughter of Aidan McAnespie on 21st February 1988. Sadly, Aidan's father passed away just a few weeks ago and didn't live to see this day come.

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General discussion / Re: Ooh Ah Up The Ra
« on: November 24, 2022, 08:16:06 PM »
Yesterday, the Committee on the Administration of Justice (CAJ) released it's latest report which found that housing threats and racist attacks are widespread in areas under loyalist paramilitary control.

That's just a few weeks on from loyalists threatening to end their 1994 ceasefire and a issuing specific threat against any southern politician who crosses the border.

So it's definitely a good job so many people are determined to focus on the latest 'somebody said up the ra' scandal.
Maybe they should be focusing on the republican terrorists who have been more than threatening to get back to vilolence in recent days.
How could they have based the report on events of recent days? Do you think their report was only commissioned a couple of days ago?

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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: November 24, 2022, 01:51:38 PM »
Seriously, she can't be that stupid, she obviously seen the video with Kyle Laff, and the singing at the Wolf Tones and knew who Foster is, so she know the kick back from that. Doesn't look so smart now.

This - unless she was hiding under a rock for the last year.

It highlights a wider problem in society were this glorification of terrorism is being normalised on both sides. People are right to be upset and to call this out wherever it happens. Imagine if it was a Nazi salute or maybe glorification of ISIS.

That wee girl isn't even old enough to remember the troubles. Sad that this is were society is at.
Yeah because for an Irish person the ira = the nazis or isis. Give your head a wobble

What's the difference? They all killed people to further their political aims. What am I missing?

So did the British Army. They killed/colluded in killing hundreds of innocent people here to further British political aims. Are they also "terrorists" who are akin to nazis and Isis?

So your answer is "Whatabout?"

Whataboutery? You just brought up Isis and Nazis FFS lol. If it's ok to discuss them, then it's surely within the terms of reference to be allowed mention the British army, given our recent history? Especially when I'm merely trying to get you to answer a question that I've tried before to get you to answer. You're on record as defining a terrorist group as one that:
uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
So, it's a straightforward question: Were the British Army also terrorists?

Answered this many times before. Asking the same question won't get a different answer.

Well you have absolutely no problem in repeating (over and over again) your claim that the IRA were terrorists and no different to ISIS, so forgive me for asking you to repeat your answer to my question as to whether you would regard the British Army as terrorists because I don't recall/can't find where you have answered it at all. In fact, the last time this discussion came up, you dodged the question for several pages and then your last comment was to merely state that the British Army doesn't regard itself as a terrorist group.

The British Army would say that they had the legitimacy from their government and of course that government was democratically elected so that would not make them a terrorist organisation per se. Whether you or I like it, they view the six counties as British. Did they commit awful crimes against the population here? Absolutely. Did they commit war crimes? Absolutely. Will they ever face justice? Not a chance and the exact same goes for the IRA.

I think it's fair to say I wasn't asking you what the British army's opinion on the question is. Rather I was (and still am) asking for your own opinion. Do you regard the British Army as terrorists given your own definition of a terrorist group as being one that "uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."?


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