This should have been entitled a Protestant Programme for a Protestant people. I was looking forward to a programme that would explore the many conflicting layers of identity in the north. How disappointed was I in what was a shallow one sided homage to Ulster Scots Protestant identity. Any aspects of Irishness was glossed over and Ulster was only really founded about 400 years ago with the plantations. I won't be tuning in to episode two. Tom Elliott would have produced a more balanced view.
Yeah this was a bit strange. It is a 3 part series, so I'm not sure if the next two weeks is a history of Ulster from the Anglican and Catholic viewpoints. It was an extremely well made and interesting programme, but It was mis-represented at the start as a history of Ulster when really it was a history of Presbyterianism in Ulster or a History of the Scotch Irish.
I'm looking forward to next weeks show, but I really don't know what to expect. I'm surprised that such a talented broadcaster as William Crawley made such a fundemental error in what was an otherwise brilliant programme.
Watched it on iPlayer the other evening and was likewise mildly disappointed.
Crawley is a good journo but he did something quite similar with a documentary series on New Zealand and it was another homage to those of an Ulster Scots heritage. It's his background and something he's obviously big in to but I'd have thought he would have included a more comprehensive representation. He barely mentioned the plantation (if at all) and skipped the famine completely!
I knew the bold William at University. A very very intelligent man but someone who oftentimes crosses the line between journalism and trying to prove how smart he is.
He is a staunch Protestant (was for a time a Presbyterian minister) and carries some bigotry (at least he did when I knew him).
Quote from: The Iceman on March 06, 2015, 08:53:18 PM
I knew the bold William at University. A very very intelligent man but someone who oftentimes crosses the line between journalism and trying to prove how smart he is.
He is a staunch Protestant (was for a time a Presbyterian minister) and carries some bigotry (at least he did when I knew him).
Most people would have stronger views when in their late teens / early teens, particularly I'm sure when at Queen's during 'The Troubles'.
Just watched it on Youtube. A fascinating insight into the Ulster-Scots mindset, a paean to Protestantism with nary a Catholic to pee on since they are scarcely mentioned, except for O'Connell and briefly their part in WWI. Expect more of the same in future episodes. But worth a watch nonetheless. Curious to see how he treats Civil Rights denied.
Quote from: michaelg on March 06, 2015, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on March 06, 2015, 08:53:18 PM
I knew the bold William at University. A very very intelligent man but someone who oftentimes crosses the line between journalism and trying to prove how smart he is.
He is a staunch Protestant (was for a time a Presbyterian minister) and carries some bigotry (at least he did when I knew him).
Most people would have stronger views when in their late teens / early teens, particularly I'm sure when at Queen's during 'The Troubles'.
This was 15 years ago when he was a chaplain at Jordanstown. Not a younger man. An ordained Presbyterian minister with a full time job supporting a parish and a university congregation (chaplaincy was mixed in UUJ in my day).
Did William not go out of his way recently to learn Irish to enable him to present an entire BBC radio programme in Irish? Hardly evidence of bigotry.
Always found him to be very fair when presenting talk back on radio Ulster.
Is it BBC policy to create a Northern Ireland identity. We had Martha Kearney trotting out the same oul line as Crawley about the North always being different because of its proximity to Scotland and everything else in the 26 is homogeneous? What crap.
The North Coast (including Donegal) would have influenced and been influenced by the Western coastlines of Scotland. Lots of trading relationships I'm sure.
Quote from: The Iceman on March 06, 2015, 08:53:18 PM
I knew the bold William at University. A very very intelligent man but someone who oftentimes crosses the line between journalism and trying to prove how smart he is.
He is a staunch Protestant (was for a time a Presbyterian minister) and carries some bigotry (at least he did when I knew him).
Bigotry in what way?
He always seems fair as a broadcaster.
William always seems to be a fair minded person to me. Are you sure you're not mixing being a bigot with having a different view to your own?
Quote from: theskull1 on March 24, 2015, 11:37:04 AM
The North Coast (including Donegal) would have influenced and been influenced by the Western coastlines of Scotland. Lots of trading relationships I'm sure.
That is correct and that applies the whole way down the eastern sea board. The Irish would have held lands on the coast from Scotland to Wales. Scotch Gaelic was brought to the Highlands and Islands by Irish invaders. But there seems to be a desire to create a six county identity that is distinct. I am not denying the influence of Scots from Plantation times on any more than there were Anglo influences in the Pale. But the thrust seems to be that the 6 were always different, lazy analysis at best.
Anyone know when episode 2 airs, or has it already done so? I enjoyed the first show, but I'm eager to see how he handles the sensitive issue of Unionist dominion over Nationalists from Partition until the modern era. I can't see him delving deeply into the ugliness of Scotch-Irish hegemony/discrimination, but I hope he doesn't gloss over it with a few quick sentences. Since the show is a celebration of Ulster Scots identity, however,I don't expect any sharp censure.
Check BBC iPlayer Oraisteach, if you can. I watched all of the episodes and without wanting to give too much away you aren't far wrong with your assumptions. It's interesting nonetheless. I saw Crawley try to clarify the series on social media as "Imagining Ulster" as an "idea", whatever that means.
They always seem to forget Donegal monaghan and Cavan are part of Ulster.
To be honest they are totally different from us, being in some parts of the North feels like a totally different country and i come from East of the Bann i know i will get shot down for this but to be honest i would feel i have next to nothing in common with the majority of them.
Thanks a lot general_lee, but I can only use BBC iPlayer if I live in the UK. Feel especially bad for all those Ulster-Scots who skedaddled off to the US, produced a bucketful of presidents, and can't get in touch with their heritage.
Quote from: Oraisteach on March 24, 2015, 05:19:34 PM
Thanks a lot general_lee, but I can only use BBC iPlayer if I live in the UK. Feel especially bad for all those Ulster-Scots who skedaddled off to the US, produced a bucketful of presidents, and can't get in touch with their heritage.
What about the poor Ulster folk of Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan who cannot learn about what Ulster really is.
Armaghniac, I think they know what Ulster is--a tough road to get to Croke Park