NFL Division 1 2024

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Rossfan

I couldn't care less what Meath, Kildare etc build...anyway they have their own Training Centres because the Leinster Council didn't keep all the money for themselves .
Ros, Galway and Mayowestros Co Boards all on financial lofesupport from HQ while the CC spent €13m on outdoor and airdome Bekan.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Main Street

Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2023, 08:33:42 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/26/nfl-division-one-champions-kerry-look-to-retain-title/


NFL Division

Monaghan
Manager: Vinny Corey
2022: 6th, Division One and lost Ulster semi-final to Derry; All-Ireland, lost qualifier R1 to Mayo
Opening fixture: v Armagh (home)
Time of transition, as Drew Wylie and former All Star Colin Walshe retired but Vinny Corey came to the rescue of a management void. There is still optimism amid the realism. David Gartland tearing it up for UCD another positive.

The player's name is Garland and he's not on the county panel as it stands now.

Blowitupref

#137
Mayo team named. No subs published.

Colm Reape,Jack Coyne,Rory brickenden,Enda Hession,Stephen Coen,Conor Loftus, Donnacha McHugh,Matt Ruane,Diarmuid O'Connor,Fionn McDonagh,Jack Carney,Jordan Flynn,Aiden Orme,James Carr,Ryan O'Donoghue. 

Eight changes from the one that started against Kerry in the AI quarter final last summer.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

seafoid

Quote from: Blowitupref on January 27, 2023, 06:34:18 PM
Mayo team named. No subs published.

Colm Reape,Jack Coyne,Rory brickenden,Enda Hession,Stephen Coen,Conor Loftus, Donnacha McHugh,Matt Ruane,Diarmuid O'Connor,Fionn McDonagh,Jack Carney,Jordan Flynn,Aiden Orme,James Carr,Ryan O'Donoghue. 

Eight changes from the one that started against Kerry in the AI quarter final last summer.
That's a big rebuild
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/27/the-national-football-league-the-gaas-best-and-most-abused-competition/

The National Football League: the GAA's best and most abused competition
Success in the league means so many different things to so many different people

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The national football league gets underway this weekend with eight games across the four divisions on Saturday. Photograph: Tommy Dickson/Inpho
Malachy Clerkin
Fri Jan 27 2023 - 17:00

Here it comes, the upside-down, the inside-out. The National Football League returns this weekend, bless its cotton socks. And its woolly hats. And its coats and snoods and its brollies and boots and everything else that might fit in the wagon. Winter is still hanging around like a maudlin party guest but the intercounty season is back so winter knows what it can do with itself.

Right around the island, people will get up and get out and go to games this weekend. From as far north as Owenbeg in Derry to Páirc Uí Chaoimh in the south. In stadiums as big as Croke Park in Dublin 3 and in grounds as cosy as Corrigan Park in Belfast BT12. People will go. Very few of them will give it any thought.

The league doesn't really go in that much for thinking. Doesn't reward it, at any rate. If you sat for too long trying to define the meaning of it or the worth of it or even just the basic point of it, you'd tie your brain into ampersands. It takes up 10 of the 27 weeks of the intercounty season and yet hardly anybody knows how to feel about it.

What exactly is the league? Depends what you're asking, really. On a very basic level, it's Gaelic football's secondary competition. It's nominally that in hurling too but nobody is buying that any more. The hurling league has become so thoroughly drained of jeopardy that you could make reasonable claims for the Fitzgibbon Cup ahead of it. Whatever the football league is, it's not nothing.

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Between now and the league finals on the first weekend of April, the four divisions will have 116 matches between them. That's 53.9 per cent of the intercounty season rammed into the next 10 weeks. If that sounds a lot, it's actually down from 65.9 per cent last year – the result of the latest revamp of the championship adding 39 games to football's main summer attraction. Which, in turn, has only made the league a more confusing prospect.

This is not, it should be said, the league's fault. Lots of sports have secondary competitions. Lots of sports have precursors to the main event, pipe-openers to get their seasons up and running. The URC, the Carabao Cup, the non-Major golf tournaments, whatever else you like. Team sports, individual disciplines, it happens all over. So it's not the league, in and of itself, that is unusual.


No, it's more the way it gets treated. All those other competitions build from a low base and they grow in terms of stature and public curiosity the further they go. That's the point of them. Nobody warms up by jumping into a sauna – you do it gradually and methodically until you find yourself performing at full pelt.

Not in the GAA, you don't. It is an iron law of the league that the trumpets and cymbals that greet the opening rounds will gradually fizzle out as the weeks go by. The crowds that come out for the games this weekend in the cold and murk of January will be bigger and buzzier than the ones that stroll up in spring sunshine of late March. The league each year is Benjamin Button, growing smaller as time passes.


Kerry's David Clifford and Joe O'Connor lift the league trophy after last year's win over Mayo in the final. Photograph: Evan Treacy/Inpho
In part, this is because success in the league means so many different things to so many different people. Some teams need it to find players. Some teams need it to lay down markers. Some need it to build momentum and get out of a rut. Some don't need it at all and are just passing the months until the ground hardens and the real stuff starts.

On top of which, it changes from year to year, depending on circumstance. It suited Jack O'Connor for Kerry to go all-out to win last year's league. He was new to the gig – as new as you can be third time around. His players were bucking and pawing the dirt, he had no major injuries to rehab and a six-week break between the last round of the league and the Munster semi-final. He needed all the games and all the competition he could find.

He doesn't need that this time around. He needs time and space to get his best team back on the pitch. Between injuries, club run exhaustion and David Moran's retirement, the Kerry team O'Connor puts out against Donegal this weekend will only feature a handful of the players who started the All-Ireland final. Getting through the league is bound to be a higher priority for Kerry than winning it.

[ NFL Division One: Champions Kerry look to retain title ]

[ NFL Division Two: Dublin and Derry among the contenders in stacked division ]

[ NFL Division Three: Four Ulster teams feature in competitive league ]

[ NFL Division Four: Wicklow hoping to get bounce from McConville factor ]

This is the thing. Everybody everywhere has their own version of Kerry's situation. To go for the league, or not. To funnel all available time and resources into it, or not. As Gordon Manning laid out in these pages during the week, the past 20 years of league and championship football have shown a clear link between taking the secondary competition seriously and gaining success in the primary one. Armagh were the last Division Two winners of the All-Ireland, all the way back in 2002. You dismiss the league, you dismiss the championship.


Or at least that's how it has been. But how sure can we really be that the trend still holds? The championship has gone through another overhaul so at the very least we're stepping into the unknown in 2023. Those extra 39 games in the summer have to be planned for, folded in, tapered towards. How much of that can a county feasibly do while giving the league a true rattle?

Let's take Armagh for instance. Without doubt one of the teams who made the 2022 championship, only going out on penalties in the game of the year. Plainly on an upward curve, good age profile, entitled to fancy themselves in a one-off game against anybody. On the face of it, they fit the profile of a league winner in a year when Dublin are in Division Two and Kerry might not be all that bothered.

But look at what their dance card looks like come championship. They're in the preliminary round in Ulster six days after the league final. They haven't won the province in 15 years. If they're going to do it this year, it will mean winning four games in five weeks. They will probably have to play eight games in 11 weeks just to get back to the All-Ireland quarter-final and equal what they achieved in 2022. Could you predict with confidence what they will be looking for out of the league? Could they?

There are versions of those dynamics everywhere you look. Mayo and Roscommon face off the week after the league final – do either of them really want to be in it? There's a Connacht final on the cards for London, Sligo or Leitrim – is there any sense in them chasing a place in the Division Four final the weekend before they start clawing and scraping at each other?


Armagh's Rian O'Neill will look to build on a standout 2022 season this year. Photograph: Ryan Byrne/Inpho
And what of the Tailteann Cup? Westmeath came third in Division Three last year and missed out on promotion to Limerick and Louth. But while both of them got tonked in their next game in the All-Ireland qualifiers, Westmeath went on a run through the new repercharge competition and ended their year with a Mardi Gras parade through the streets of Mullingar.

What's the lesson there for the teams fighting to stay in Division Two at the end of March? Do they burst every blood vessel to stay up and compete for an All-Ireland they can't win? Or do they take relegation as it comes and regroup for a Tailteann campaign in which they fear nobody and will likely be among the favourites? Whatever the answer is, they won't be saying it out loud.


All of this makes for intrigue and conjecture but none of it makes the task of working out what the league is for any simpler. For supporters, it's something to be at. For the 40 venues around the country that will host games, it's a jamboree.

Just for a day, just for a few hours but no small thing at the same time. For county boards, it's bums on seats. It's towns and villages around the land with more footfall, more buzz, a sense of something happening for the day. Don't imagine that doesn't matter.

But when it comes down to the nitty-gritty of the league itself, it's harder than ever to nail it to the wall. It's a million things at once. Strong because it has an indelible link to the championship. Weak because the championship has expanded to overshadow it even more than before. Exciting because more games matter now than was ever the case. Confusing because even when the league finals are done, it still won't be clear how much weight finishing positions will carry into the summer.

In the end, the league is the league is the league. It's the GAA's best competition, it's the GAA's most abused competition. It's dummy teams and fly goalies and refs cracking down on steps or handpasses or whatever it is this year.

It's sodden brass bands and the main stand is full and €2 a tea, €1 a bar and whatever the programme seller can get out of you. It's the new wing back and the old full forward and sure the manager ran the shit out of them on Saturday morning so they won't be winning today anyway. It's whatever you're having yourself.

It's good to have it back.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Blowitupref

Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Blowitupref

Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2023, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 27, 2023, 06:34:18 PM
Mayo team named. No subs published.

Colm Reape,Jack Coyne,Rory brickenden,Enda Hession,Stephen Coen,Conor Loftus, Donnacha McHugh,Matt Ruane,Diarmuid O'Connor,Fionn McDonagh,Jack Carney,Jordan Flynn,Aiden Orme,James Carr,Ryan O'Donoghue. 

Eight changes from the one that started against Kerry in the AI quarter final last summer.
That's a big rebuild

Rebuilding was mainly done under Horan. In experimental mode more than Galway for this opening league game.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

galwayman

Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2023, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 27, 2023, 06:34:18 PM
Mayo team named. No subs published.

Colm Reape,Jack Coyne,Rory brickenden,Enda Hession,Stephen Coen,Conor Loftus, Donnacha McHugh,Matt Ruane,Diarmuid O'Connor,Fionn McDonagh,Jack Carney,Jordan Flynn,Aiden Orme,James Carr,Ryan O'Donoghue. 

Eight changes from the one that started against Kerry in the AI quarter final last summer.
That's a big rebuild
It's not really a rebuild though when you drill down into it.
5 of the 8 that didn't play v Kerry will definitely be there come championship
barring injury (O Connor, O Shea, Durcan, Hennelly, E McLoughlin).
A 6th (Kevin McLoughlin) will probably be a sub this year.
The other 2 are Mullin and Keegan.
Ryan O Donoghue would have played against Kerry if he was fit.
When everyone is available it will probably be much the same team - with the possible introduction of 1-2 new lads along with the return of Conroy.

naka

Interesting Armagh team
Ross Finn starts
As does Mc Cambridge , cumiskey amd murnin
Bench somewhat weak
But all in all a decent side
Rafferty
Mc Kay forker Finn
O Neill Mc Cambridge burns
Campbell Sheridan
Cumiskt grugan Kelly
Nugent o Neill murnin

Would fancy Campbell moving in and o Neill
Moving out to get on the ball

Blowitupref

Quote from: naka on January 27, 2023, 10:52:05 PM
Interesting Armagh team
Ross Finn starts
As does Mc Cambridge , cumiskey amd murnin
Bench somewhat weak
But all in all a decent side
Rafferty
Mc Kay forker Finn
O Neill Mc Cambridge burns
Campbell Sheridan
Cumiskt grugan Kelly
Nugent o Neill murnin

Would fancy Campbell moving in and o Neill
Moving out to get on the ball

Nine same starters from the All Ireland Quarter final last summer?
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Armagh18

Quote from: Blowitupref on January 27, 2023, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: naka on January 27, 2023, 10:52:05 PM
Interesting Armagh team
Ross Finn starts
As does Mc Cambridge , cumiskey amd murnin
Bench somewhat weak
But all in all a decent side
Rafferty
Mc Kay forker Finn
O Neill Mc Cambridge burns
Campbell Sheridan
Cumiskt grugan Kelly
Nugent o Neill murnin

Would fancy Campbell moving in and o Neill
Moving out to get on the ball

Nine same starters from the All Ireland Quarter final last summer?
Yeah plus Kelly who was out injured last year who'd have started if fit. Lot of good players not even on the bench. Very light for kickout options unless Murnin and Rian move out to midfield. Grimley, Mackin, O'Neill and Crealey who would all be good midfielders don't feature.

Blowitupref

Roscommon team.  U Harney,R Daly (Travel) N Kilroy,C McMeon,C Heneghan,E Nolan,D Murray (injured) missing from last year.

Colm Lavin (Eire Og)
Conor Hussey (Michael Glaveys)
Conor Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Eoin McCormack (St Dominic's)
Dylan Ruane  (Michael Glaveys)
Brian Stack (St Brigids)
Niall Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Tadgh O'Rourke (Tulsk)
Keith Doyle (St Dominic's)
Robbie Dolan (St Brigids)
Enda Smith (Boyle)
Ciaran Lennon (Clann na nGael)
Diarmuid Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Conor Cox (Eire Og)
Ciarain Murtagh (St Faithleachs)


Monaghan,Tyrone,Donegal Div 1 teams that have yet to publish teams.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

seafoid

Quote from: naka on January 27, 2023, 10:52:05 PM
Interesting Armagh team
Ross Finn starts
As does Mc Cambridge , cumiskey amd murnin
Bench somewhat weak
But all in all a decent side
Rafferty
Mc Kay forker Finn
O Neill Mc Cambridge burns
Campbell Sheridan
Cumiskt grugan Kelly
Nugent o Neill murnin

Would fancy Campbell moving in and o Neill
Moving out to get on the ball
Armagh are like Galway. Need a better panel in order to kick on. The team that did OK in 1999 was not the same as the team of 2002 that did the business.
.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Armagh18

Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 02:47:16 AM
Quote from: naka on January 27, 2023, 10:52:05 PM
Interesting Armagh team
Ross Finn starts
As does Mc Cambridge , cumiskey amd murnin
Bench somewhat weak
But all in all a decent side
Rafferty
Mc Kay forker Finn
O Neill Mc Cambridge burns
Campbell Sheridan
Cumiskt grugan Kelly
Nugent o Neill murnin

Would fancy Campbell moving in and o Neill
Moving out to get on the ball
Armagh are like Galway. Need a better panel in order to kick on. The team that did OK in 1999 was not the same as the team of 2002 that did the business.
.
Forward line is stacked and no matter what theres going to be very very good players left out. Defence is good if everyone is fit and available. Morgan, Greg McCabe and Ciaron O'Hanlon still to come in. Interested to see how McCambridge goes, superb player at club/college level so hope he can kick on.

seafoid

Quote from: galwayman on January 27, 2023, 10:29:06 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2023, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 27, 2023, 06:34:18 PM
Mayo team named. No subs published.

Colm Reape,Jack Coyne,Rory brickenden,Enda Hession,Stephen Coen,Conor Loftus, Donnacha McHugh,Matt Ruane,Diarmuid O'Connor,Fionn McDonagh,Jack Carney,Jordan Flynn,Aiden Orme,James Carr,Ryan O'Donoghue. 

Eight changes from the one that started against Kerry in the AI quarter final last summer.
That's a big rebuild
It's not really a rebuild though when you drill down into it.
5 of the 8 that didn't play v Kerry will definitely be there come championship
barring injury (O Connor, O Shea, Durcan, Hennelly, E McLoughlin).
A 6th (Kevin McLoughlin) will probably be a sub this year.
The other 2 are Mullin and Keegan.
Ryan O Donoghue would have played against Kerry if he was fit.
When everyone is available it will probably be much the same team - with the possible introduction of 1-2 new lads along with the return of Conroy.
The Mayo team that came to the end in 2021 had been on the go since 2011 and was exceptional. People from other counties could name 5  or 6 players, if not more.

They were able to blend in new players and perform consistently at a high level because their loss ratio was low.

There have naturally been retirements. Getting back to that level is going to take time. The only way to know if a player or the team is good enough is to test it at championship speed.

Galway hurlers are in the same boat. The transition is a hoor.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU