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[When an Antrim team goes out with that attitude then we might be able to compete.......... might!!]

He has a point Johnney, we certainly (Antrim) don't have big skillful mobile players, We'd need 15 players of the size and ability of the likes of NMcM. Elliot, twice in yesterdays game had a run at the Clare defence, twice he was caught, Elliot is quick, one of the quickest I've seen, but very light and physically not up to the demands of intercounty hurling, yet.

As for breeding, It's more about developing our teams and insuring that all the players on those development squads work on there personal strengthening and conditioning.

If I had to do it all again I'd have hit the gym, not blessed with height I'd would have at least worked on the areas that would have greatly improved my game. I don't think we have enough players who buy into playing for the county, end of. Look at Donegal Antrim beat them a few seasons ago, similar team to yesterday but they all do their own training plus county training they have bought into Jim's plans and stick to it. When an Antrim team goes out with that attitude then we might be able to compete.......... might!!

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now you talking, we only think we are commited

I did not realise my post had made such an impact.  Regardless, a radical and major shake up in Antrim and Ulster is required if we are all serious about the survival of hurling.  I am conscious however, as to how we may proceed about bringing about radical change.  It is all fine and dandy to criticise, but unless we are all prepared to do something about it!  Therein lies the problem.  A clearing of the decks in Antrim is a pre-requisite in my opinion, starting at HQ.  Our clubs are the key to this step at next county convention.  I have a terrible gut feeling though, the 'status quo will remain', more's the pity. 

winker ...do you think there exists a massive group of "passionate hurling men" in Antrim sitting at home doing nothing just waiting for someone to the call them to arms? It would appear you do. I don't. The passionate hurling men are doing what they can and the lazy parents, ex players, sky subscribers etc. are taking the GAA for granted. I assume that not much more can be done until more people start playing a part in bringing about sizeable positive change.

Yes I do Skull.  I also respect your view that you don't.  I also could  not agree with you more about more people taking an active part, but the fact remains, who is going to rally them and call them to arms,  the present incumbents in A/Town Road, I don't think so.  Hence my call for those involved, those not involved in hurling who may wish to get involved to mobilise and initiate some significant/radical change in Antrim/Ulster Hurling.  What I am not sure about thopugh, is how we proceed?

winker you have to square the circle. If there are all these extra passionate hurling men and women about doing nothing, why have they not got off their hole by now? Most clubs including my own are crying out for more help and it's pretty depressing to see what you'd think of as passionate hurling men who've had great mentoring themselves throughout their career give nothing back when they know right well teams/kids (sometimes their own) are suffering due to the lack of willing coaches. I'd love to share your belief but experience has taught me that those people you think exist actually don't although if you chatted to them in the pubs and clubs plenty of them would have you think different. I hope youre right and I'm wrong

both of you are right. as skull says if there isn't enough people doing more at club level(I'm from dunloy to and we simply can not get enough help) then its to the detriment of the county, who  said '' evil prevails when good men do nothing''. I like winkers attitude as we cant just shrug our shoulders and do nothing but i get the sense winker you are young, when you have been subjected to the frustrating state of affairs for twenty years plus with no real radical thinking,funding and attitude then the apathy sets in. Did any one read sambo in the antrim post this week U16 development bus going to tipp and two players show up for it. surely  we have to be responsible for ensuring our best young hurlers are making more effort. that would be a start for county improvement. In conclusion more effort at club level with coaching and a unified front and county underage from every club

Sambo, should not have been on the bus, he is not under 16    Is that the reason only two were on the bus?   

dont think he was there, he  just writing about it. no need to blame all things on him anyway

I did not realise my post had made such an impact.  Regardless, a radical and major shake up in Antrim and Ulster is required if we are all serious about the survival of hurling.  I am conscious however, as to how we may proceed about bringing about radical change.  It is all fine and dandy to criticise, but unless we are all prepared to do something about it!  Therein lies the problem.  A clearing of the decks in Antrim is a pre-requisite in my opinion, starting at HQ.  Our clubs are the key to this step at next county convention.  I have a terrible gut feeling though, the 'status quo will remain', more's the pity. 

winker ...do you think there exists a massive group of "passionate hurling men" in Antrim sitting at home doing nothing just waiting for someone to the call them to arms? It would appear you do. I don't. The passionate hurling men are doing what they can and the lazy parents, ex players, sky subscribers etc. are taking the GAA for granted. I assume that not much more can be done until more people start playing a part in bringing about sizeable positive change.

Yes I do Skull.  I also respect your view that you don't.  I also could  not agree with you more about more people taking an active part, but the fact remains, who is going to rally them and call them to arms,  the present incumbents in A/Town Road, I don't think so.  Hence my call for those involved, those not involved in hurling who may wish to get involved to mobilise and initiate some significant/radical change in Antrim/Ulster Hurling.  What I am not sure about thopugh, is how we proceed?

winker you have to square the circle. If there are all these extra passionate hurling men and women about doing nothing, why have they not got off their hole by now? Most clubs including my own are crying out for more help and it's pretty depressing to see what you'd think of as passionate hurling men who've had great mentoring themselves throughout their career give nothing back when they know right well teams/kids (sometimes their own) are suffering due to the lack of willing coaches. I'd love to share your belief but experience has taught me that those people you think exist actually don't although if you chatted to them in the pubs and clubs plenty of them would have you think different. I hope youre right and I'm wrong

both of you are right. as skull says if there isn't enough people doing more at club level(I'm from dunloy to and we simply can not get enough help) then its to the detriment of the county, who  said '' evil prevails when good men do nothing''. I like winkers attitude as we cant just shrug our shoulders and do nothing but i get the sense winker you are young, when you have been subjected to the frustrating state of affairs for twenty years plus with no real radical thinking,funding and attitude then the apathy sets in. Did any one read sambo in the antrim post this week U16 development bus going to tipp and two players show up for it. surely  we have to be responsible for ensuring our best young hurlers are making more effort. that would be a start for county improvement. In conclusion more effort at club level with coaching and a unified front and county underage from every club

Way to kill a thread Winker. 

How come Seamroga?  That's a bit random don't you think? 

only having a laugh. There was no post in 4 days after yours.

i think winker was making a suggestion that we(posters on this board)stop typing gibberish and get off our butts and do something for the benefit of antrim hurling. He offered his services but was looking for someone to initiate a radical new approach  that's when the impending silence endured. hey winker I'm in now what do we do

[In my humble opinion, Lamh Dhearg, St. Galls, Sarsfields, St. Johns would never commit their key players to the wee ball code]

In my humble opinion, Lamh Dhearg, St. Galls, Sarsfields, St. Johns would never commit their key players to the wee ball code.  In all honesty, Rossa I believe are the premiere Belfast hurling club and the only club likely to commit their main resources to hurling.  Antrim and Ulster have a lot to answer for in this regard.  As long as hurling plays second fiddle to football in Antrim and Ulster, I cannot see much improvement in the city.

that's a given winker, we all know of some the minor teams that came out of Belfast over the years and if those teams would have stayed together without the distractions we don't have to contend with further north I feel there would be less Senior titles up our way. I have noticed on here recently that when it comes to antrim top teams some posters are are now talking about the big two now(Dall and LG) instead of the big three(perceived demise of my club dunloy) I find it kind of sad that an area with probably the best resources in ireland barr Dublin cant be taking at least there share of Senior titles. imagine everyone on here talking about the big six or big eight. I bet we would be going places then at county level. I mentoned Galls earlier not because they beat us last year but they nearly took the Dall out as well. to come out of ulster in football and win an all Ireland is some going but they can hurl to and like to see them hurling with no distractions. Karl stewart and MC gourtys hurling credentials need no introduction but last year i was really impressed with Gallagher and Burke looked like a natural FB. Cj was good minor but not committed. As for the other clubs I don't know St Johns minor teams of this last three years don't seem to be cutting it at U21, seems history is repeating itself again. This Post might provoke the reaction ''that's the way it is and always will be'' but surely its time for some radical new approach, maybe a hurling first football second club. this might open up a can of worms with defections etc but a lot of that happens anyway(correct me if I'm wrong)

No arguments on that one MR2, but Im talking over a period of time when it was being argued that they were detrimental to the Antrim teams. My point being that unless the Antrim teams can get to their level and passed it then they deserve to be where they are.

I believe If we played in div 1 now we wouldn't be bottom, attitudes for training differ when teams are in Div 1, whilst being a dual club it would be just as important to train hard for hurling as football, this is due to the fact that players would be raising their game against better opposition.
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If St Galls where a single code hurling club with the player talent they have at the minute they would have as much chance as LG of a senior title. its been said on here before that the dual thing is more detrimental now than ever and i agree.

Poor wee Liam and sure he never pulls a dirty stroke himself.

ahh poor wee Liam can look after himself you worry about your own boys JJ.

talking to a LG man said it was a real dirty blow, coolderry took brady of because of it,

Jeepers its great being allowed back on, must behave myself though to many names mentioned in the past, moderator felt i needed a break for a while.

you are not that ball bag from Ballymena previously another B ?

I'm with the moderator

Oh we know that NAH! Lets wait and see shall we

dont what that means nice to see a post from you without the word skinny or letters CC in it

NAH, you honestly are a dick.  Jealous much mate

and your a dick thats just had a sense of humor by-pass,was joking what happened to your friendly banter policy. wind you neck in. ill keep it serious form now on

[On another note, no feckin Loughgiel helmets on that site!!!!!!!]

Lads, just a light interjection into this debate for a while. I was browsing the O'Neill's website this morning and stumbled upon this page:

http://www.oneills.com/gift-ideas/club-helmets/ulster/antrim.html

And just to prove I'm not that biased, the Dunloy helmet:




What do we think of the idea of clubs/counties adopting the club/county coloured and crested helmet as an official piece of the whole kit? I've been talking about this to a few lads and to be fair they're indifferent about it but I think it would look class. Just an idea, I think i remember Cork taking the field with all red/white helmets a few years back.

On another note, no feckin Loughgiel helmets on that site!!!!!!!

O Neils are working on the LG helmet,its slighty different from other clubs, theres are hole   in the forehead section just above the eyes for there dicks

To totally change the subject, SIE any truth in the rumour you lads submitted the video of the recent clash with Dunloy, and CC is for the high jump based on the video evidence?

only one person in north Antrim not letting this go is yourself. once again what is your obsession with CC. why would LG submit a video that would incriminate one of there players to. I think you need to see a shrink about this

well i can put hatred aside and say Liam and paddy Richmond was as good as you would of got in the country in 02/03 season.  think paddy on his day would prob still take any full back in county to cleaners.  won dunloy there last championship himself

that post says more about you than it does about the Richmond's or Dunloy

what does it say about me??  are you trying to say there isn't hatred?  or was it the 'last' bit that has your knickers in a twist??  chill man, arnt we aloud friendly digs at one another?

fair enough thought you where being serious, just cut out the sc**mbag stuff and be a bit more gracious like SIE(good poster with some manners) and we will call it quits

well i can put hatred aside and say Liam and paddy Richmond was as good as you would of got in the country in 02/03 season.  think paddy on his day would prob still take any full back in county to cleaners.  won dunloy there last championship himself

that post says more about you than it does about the Richmond's or Dunloy

A fe ;)w unsavory moments from both teams yesterday in a very physical game. We closed down better than we did in the feis but still too many unforced errors. Deserved the victory but need to improve our touch and composure before we could be considered potential championship material. Also...was missing yesterday but don't believe big paddy has the game to threaten a good full back any more anyway........a clinker on his day but hasn't happened in a while for him. Who knows

+1 skull we showed great industry on closing down players in possesion but our forwards have  to improve first touch on 50 50 ball. I would like to see them try create more space for runs instead of standing with there men but that requires faster ball in to. spot on with big paddy he never was big on the hunger stakes but would give you 5 minutes with some return, but that seems to have gone now. LG still favourates with the Dall second. where we are depends on how we can fix things for championship, still wouldn't be good enough for confident victory over ballycastle.