The IRISH RUGBY thread

Started by Donnellys Hollow, October 27, 2009, 05:26:16 PM

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Wildweasel74

Been watching rugby from 1990, even got a grasp on the rules unlike many watching it. Ireland are very mechanical, watch New Zealand play, all players have good ball skills, compare Kieran Read to CJ Stander, Dempsey to Barrett/ Ben Smith, Ryan to new zealand locks, Ireland go into contact they go to ground, New Zealand always look to try get the pass away. Japan are no big shakes but rely on getting the ball away and to their backs. Ireland bck play is and always was poor to watch. Gotta look at the way players are trained to play and  limited hand /ball skills.

thejuice

I don't understand the ill will towards the team. There's plenty of support for the team even if it is a bit bandwagon, which I would include myself but it's far from fabricated. Perhaps I'm spared the hype as I don't watch or listen to Rte or read mainstream newspapers but that has nothing to do with the players. All that said you cannot be anything but happy for Japan. They played much better than us for about 70% of the game.
It won't be the next manager but the one after that Meath will become competitive again - MO'D 2016


seafoid

Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2019, 05:47:39 PM
Don't wish anything ill on any Irish team and never like to see an Irish team lose.
The amount of hype from Donnybrook and the media at large is overwhelming.
The hype which is none of the players fault, has put huge unreal pressure on the squad.
The reality is that Rugby is a minority sport in this country.
It's a small country
Small countries do that sort of thing
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

gallsman

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 28, 2019, 06:42:09 PM
Been watching rugby from 1990, even got a grasp on the rules unlike many watching it. Ireland are very mechanical, watch New Zealand play, all players have good ball skills, compare Kieran Read to CJ Stander, Dempsey to Barrett/ Ben Smith, Ryan to new zealand locks, Ireland go into contact they go to ground, New Zealand always look to try get the pass away. Japan are no big shakes but rely on getting the ball away and to their backs. Ireland bck play is and always was poor to watch. Gotta look at the way players are trained to play and  limited hand /ball skills.

You might wanna spend another 30 years getting familar with the sport. Japan won that match up front today.

RedHand88


Capt Pat

Joe would be wise to rest the players who started today against the Russians. Sexton should be able to start the next day. Carty is not bad but he is no jonny Sexton.

weareros

Quote from: gallsman on September 28, 2019, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 28, 2019, 04:55:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 28, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
There is something poetic to ireland being beaten by a Japan team with only 7 Japanese players.

The Irish team is nearly as bad sure.

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 28, 2019, 04:58:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 28, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
There is something poetic to ireland being beaten by a Japan team with only 7 Japanese players.

Ha... ireland can hardly claim the moral high ground on that front.... not only is there the "residents" but a good portion dont even identify as Irish.

That's the "poetry" he's on about lads ffs. Do try and keep up.

At 5 we are far from worst offender: England 6, Wales 8 and Scotland 14 have more, and Japan has 15. The international game has become a bit of a joke.

Itchy

Quote from: weareros on September 28, 2019, 09:51:16 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 28, 2019, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 28, 2019, 04:55:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 28, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
There is something poetic to ireland being beaten by a Japan team with only 7 Japanese players.

The Irish team is nearly as bad sure.

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 28, 2019, 04:58:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 28, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
There is something poetic to ireland being beaten by a Japan team with only 7 Japanese players.

Ha... ireland can hardly claim the moral high ground on that front.... not only is there the "residents" but a good portion dont even identify as Irish.

That's the "poetry" he's on about lads ffs. Do try and keep up.

At 5 we are far from worst offender: England 6, Wales 8 and Scotland 14 have more, and Japan has 15. The international game has become a bit of a joke.

"We" left one of our greatest servants at home and brought a south African with zero ireland roots instead. It's a laughing stock and it's only right that a team that lives by the sword should die by the sword

gallsman

Quote from: weareros on September 28, 2019, 09:51:16 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 28, 2019, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 28, 2019, 04:55:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 28, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
There is something poetic to ireland being beaten by a Japan team with only 7 Japanese players.

The Irish team is nearly as bad sure.

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 28, 2019, 04:58:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 28, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
There is something poetic to ireland being beaten by a Japan team with only 7 Japanese players.

Ha... ireland can hardly claim the moral high ground on that front.... not only is there the "residents" but a good portion dont even identify as Irish.

That's the "poetry" he's on about lads ffs. Do try and keep up.

At 5 we are far from worst offender: England 6, Wales 8 and Scotland 14 have more, and Japan has 15. The international game has become a bit of a joke.

Who are the 8 I'm the Welsh squad?

Ireland have a history with the likes of Michael Bent who played for Ireland before ever playing for Leinster ffs.

Scoring Zone

it just looks again like a peaking issue, schmidt is on year 5, there is a lot to say in successful coaches usually run in 4 year cycles (olympic cycles) - leinster leaked within 4 years and tailed of, guardiola and that barca side, the recent madrid side and you will probably see it in the liverpool and man city teams shortly - huge peak in irish rugby in 2018 ( and we where only getting over the line in a lot of games)  in personnel, club and country after that the only way is down and stagnation and it won't be admitted but the key players are not at there peak or injury prone and it just we are at the back end of the cycle and there will be a sorry exit i'm afraid - but would live to be wrong

manfromdelmonte

Quote from: Capt Pat on September 28, 2019, 09:38:16 PM
Joe would be wise to rest the players who started today against the Russians. Sexton should be able to start the next day. Carty is not bad but he is no jonny Sexton.
Not much you can do when the pack is going backwards

In any other tier 1 nation Best would have been retired 3/4 years ago, and if he wanted more rugby he'd be gone off abroad for a while

Far too much loyalty to players over the hill or imports.
The lack of squad development is laughable in some key positions and knowing for 2 years what sort of game Japan were going to play and the warm weather conditions over there, to start such a team 6 days after the first game was amateur

weareros

Quote from: gallsman on September 28, 2019, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: weareros on September 28, 2019, 09:51:16 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 28, 2019, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 28, 2019, 04:55:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 28, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
There is something poetic to ireland being beaten by a Japan team with only 7 Japanese players.

The Irish team is nearly as bad sure.

Quote from: omaghjoe on September 28, 2019, 04:58:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 28, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
There is something poetic to ireland being beaten by a Japan team with only 7 Japanese players.

Ha... ireland can hardly claim the moral high ground on that front.... not only is there the "residents" but a good portion dont even identify as Irish.

That's the "poetry" he's on about lads ffs. Do try and keep up.

At 5 we are far from worst offender: England 6, Wales 8 and Scotland 14 have more, and Japan has 15. The international game has become a bit of a joke.

Who are the 8 I'm the Welsh squad?

Ireland have a history with the likes of Michael Bent who played for Ireland before ever playing for Leinster ffs.

Here's 7. Too tired to find the 8th and check every feckin Davies or Williams to see where they were born. Majority Eng, but foreign is foreign.

Jake ball
Thomas Francis
Aaron Shingler
Amos
North
Parkes
Davies

gallsman

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Quote from: weareros on September 29, 2019, 01:40:11 AM
Majority Eng, but foreign is foreign.

That's just not true at all.

Most of those are incomparable to, say, the case with Ali or Kleyn who have been pure project players.

George North's mother is Welsh and he's lived in Wales since he was a kid. He speaks frigging Welsh. He's Welsh in a way our lads will never be Irish. Not the same at all.

David McKeown

Quote from: gallsman on September 29, 2019, 07:26:20 AM
Quote from: weareros on September 29, 2019, 01:40:11 AM
Majority Eng, but foreign is foreign.

That's just not true at all.

Most of those are incomparable to, say, the case with Ali or Kleyn who have been pure project players.

George North's mother is Welsh and he's lived in Wales since he was a kid. He speaks frigging Welsh. He's Welsh in a way our lads will never be Irish. Not the same at all.

You have to have some way of defining it though surely. I mean what if I'm your example Norths mother was Irish but the other two things were still true. What if he didn't move till his late teens or didn't speak Welsh. Would it still be different?

More and more now professional international sport is not about the best players from countries competing but instead the are representative teams of who the sporting body could sign up and shoe horn into meeting the criteria to play. 
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