I go more in hope than expectation but good to be back in an Ulster final.
I've seen enough Ulster games over the years, especially involving Donegal, to hope that Donegal go into this with the right attitude and give Cavan plenty of respect. Cavan will be ravenous for this and Donegal will have to match that hunger. A few of the present team were there in 2013 when, even though they were a tired team with a few niggles, they still were not prepared for what Monaghan brought. I think we are rightly favourites, but we are not Dublin down in Leinster. Cavan can win this. We have to make sure we perform and they don't.
I wonder how the game will pan out in terms of style. Will Cavan sit back anticipating us to do the same?
Delighted for Mickey Graham that he got the county into an Ulster Final at the first attempt. He is a very good manager . Ros have also shown the experience gained by having every second year in Division 1 even if every year might be preferable. Both teams have very good experience now.
Would sorta agree with Whelean's assessment on TSG of this. Donegal are not superhot favorites and Cavan are in with a hell of a shout
I would expect Donegal to prevail tho as Cavan lack a the number of standouts that Donegal have.
I suppose what we don't know is how good were Donegal and how bad were Tyrone. That's for a start.
While Cavan were deserved winners against Armagh they did cough up a lot of scores and a lot of goal chances.
If Donegal go for the jugular in the first 15 minutes they could end the game quickly but if Cavan can hang in there then I think they have a chance. I never really though Bonner was a great manager when he was over Donegal U21s so I think Graham may be able to get one up on him tactically but saying that, at the end of the day, Donegal have some outstanding footballers and are rightly favourites.
Really looking forward to it, I cant believe it is 18 years since our last senior final. We've had lots of good days in the last 18 years too (u21 champions, league promotions) but 18 years sounds a stark statistic.
Who will Donegal put on McVeety?
Our last two meetings with Donegal in league and championship have been very one sided affairs and while I expect us to compete better this time around, I can't see a way we can win. Donegal have a huge amount of quality and we unfortunately have about 3 passengers on the team which you can't afford at this level. Really surprised the handicap is only 3 points, I would have thought Donegal could win out by 6 points or so.
Great to be back in an Ulster Final though, it's a big deal in keeping this bunch of players together. If Mickey can continue to improve the side and add some more real quality to back up what's already there I think we can challenge over the next few years but I fear we're not at Donegal's level just yet.
Having watched both the semi finals over the weekend I would take Donegal to clinch this one, they controlled the game throughout although Murphy won't get it as handy in and around the middle this time.
Cavan fully deserved winners against Armagh, but Armagh were turning the screw on them at certain points throughout the match and if Donegal have the same opportunities they will do more harm than Armagh in my opinion.
It should be a good show piece for what has been a great Ulster championship so far.
Must be the quietest Ulster final thread ever. Meanwhile the tyronies are still talking about the semi final on that thread. Cavan by a point I think.
Can't see Cavan outscoring Donegal.
2-17 to 0-16.
It's great for Cavan to get to an Ulster Final, long time coming but beating Donegal will be too much of a stretch for them.
Donegal will win at ease, probably by 10points or more. Donegal are genuine All Ireland contenders - Cavan unlikely to even make the Super 8's.
I can see Cavan giving Donegal a hell of a run for their money here. Having beaten Tyrone they've perhaps already played their Ulster Final and Cavan are building momentum. Every game so far will have brought them on and lifted their belief. Cavan played this year in Division 1 and Donegal in Division 2 and that should stand to them also. Graham also seems to have a touch of an x-factor about him and the more time he has with Cavan this year, the more they'll keep improving. Maybe a draw?
Quote from: APM on June 20, 2019, 01:25:51 PM
I can see Cavan giving Donegal a hell of a run for their money here. Having beaten Tyrone they've perhaps already played their Ulster Final and Cavan are building momentum. Every game so far will have brought them on and lifted their belief. Cavan played this year in Division 1 and Donegal in Division 2 and that should stand to them also. Graham also seems to have a touch of an x-factor about him and the more time he has with Cavan this year, the more they'll keep improving. Maybe a draw?
@APM you are away in the head. We're talking 2 teams in completely different leagues here. Cavan are sprightly I'll give you that but they'll be brought back to size on Sunday. They simply won't be able to contain Donegal. I can see it being one sided.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/tommy-martin/could-cavan-match-fever-of-rossies-the-maddest-of-them-all-931710.html
Quote from: ck on June 20, 2019, 11:27:02 PM
Quote from: APM on June 20, 2019, 01:25:51 PM
I can see Cavan giving Donegal a hell of a run for their money here. Having beaten Tyrone they've perhaps already played their Ulster Final and Cavan are building momentum. Every game so far will have brought them on and lifted their belief. Cavan played this year in Division 1 and Donegal in Division 2 and that should stand to them also. Graham also seems to have a touch of an x-factor about him and the more time he has with Cavan this year, the more they'll keep improving. Maybe a draw?
@APM you are away in the head. We're talking 2 teams in completely different leagues here. Cavan are sprightly I'll give you that but they'll be brought back to size on Sunday. They simply won't be able to contain Donegal. I can see it being one sided.
Cavan played division one this year and Donegal division 2 so you are correct about them being in different leagues. I think this game could be fairly close. Really hope it is as there has been a lot of very disappointing ulster finals in recent years. The last decent one for the neutral was Monaghan shocking Donegal back in 2013.
Yeah fair enough but Donegal were promoted and Cavan were relegated. They met in C'ship last year and it was a handy enough win for Donegal. It'll be same on Sunday.
Quote from: ck on June 21, 2019, 11:25:42 AM
Yeah fair enough but Donegal were promoted and Cavan were relegated. They met in C'ship last year and it was a handy enough win for Donegal. It'll be same on Sunday.
Both teams have been very impressive so far in what's been a very good ulster championship. I can see this being close as Cavan have had 3 tough games under their belt and looked good in all of them. Donegal funnily enough weren't overly impressive against tyrone especially since tyrone were rotten and Donegal only won by 4. I think cavan could win this by 1 or 2.
Looking forward to the game and in particular how Cavan perform. Will that Donegal half backline start again? I'm only guessing but it seemed that it was picked to suit the way Tyrone were going to play.
Is Jason McGee fit for Donegal?
I think Cavan will make a real go of this. Be interesting to see how they handle Murphy, especially from kick outs, as he destroyed Tyrone. If they can cut that avenue out they have a chance. I think graham might be, though could be wrong, quite shrewd so it will be interesting to see how or if he does this.
Would putting pressure on the goalie at the kickouts pay any dividends? Of coarse they could do the same.
Quote from: ck on June 21, 2019, 11:25:42 AM
Yeah fair enough but Donegal were promoted and Cavan were relegated. They met in C'ship last year and it was a handy enough win for Donegal. It'll be same on Sunday.
Cavan are now managed by Mickey Graham who has already pulled off an upset provincial title success. If Cavan were still managed by Mattie McGleenan they wouldn't be in final as Monaghan who went further in the championship than Donegal last summer probably would have beaten them.
Quote from: lenny on June 21, 2019, 11:34:56 AM
Donegal funnily enough weren't overly impressive against tyrone especially since tyrone were rotten and Donegal only won by 4. I think cavan could win this by 1 or 2.
Donegal impressed me a lot in that game. The 4 point margin didn't tell the full tale and Tyrone were made to look rotten.
Cavan being written off is music to Mickey Graham's ears. He appears for the most part to be a canny operator and will be more than happy in the long grass for this one. He'll have a plan worked out and the players well primed with maybe a surprise or two up his sleeve. I wouldn't stick my neck out enough to claim Cavan will win it but I'd at least go as far as to say that if Donegal are ahead at the final whistle they'll have been made work for it a bit more than some might think.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on June 21, 2019, 05:52:44 PM
Cavan being written off is music to Mickey Graham's ears. He appears for the most part to be a canny operator and will be more than happy in the long grass for this one. He'll have a plan worked out and the players well primed with maybe a surprise or two up his sleeve. I wouldn't stick my neck out enough to claim Cavan will win it but I'd at least go as far as to say that if Donegal are ahead at the final whistle they'll have been made work for it a bit more than some might think.
Almost everyone is saying this will be tight with Donegal to shade it by a few points in the end.
That's hardly writing Cavan off.
Donegal you have one job on Sunday.
Don't care how you do, don't care if it's the worst game of football in the history of football, just get the win.
No Fermanagh aren't involved, so unlikely to be the worst game in History.
Cavan can put it up to Donegal but might need a goal or 2. They didn't score any in 2 games v Armagh. Kicked lovely pts but not many goal chances created. At other end Armagh could have scored a few, so Jamie Brennan and Co will have to be watched..
Quote from: J70 on June 21, 2019, 06:19:34 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on June 21, 2019, 05:52:44 PM
Cavan being written off is music to Mickey Graham's ears. He appears for the most part to be a canny operator and will be more than happy in the long grass for this one. He'll have a plan worked out and the players well primed with maybe a surprise or two up his sleeve. I wouldn't stick my neck out enough to claim Cavan will win it but I'd at least go as far as to say that if Donegal are ahead at the final whistle they'll have been made work for it a bit more than some might think.
Almost everyone is saying this will be tight with Donegal to shade it by a few points in the end.
That's hardly writing Cavan off.
I meant more the view from outside both counties, Donegal big favourites and attention mostly on them. Sure I know you Donegal bucks be fierce wily in general. :)
Quote from: FermGael on June 21, 2019, 06:51:31 PM
Donegal you have one job on Sunday.
Don't care how you do, don't care if it's the worst game of football in the history of football, just get the win.
So bitter, Listen we let ye beat us eventually in championship after 100 years there recently and we thought that would keep ye happy but Christ no it wont. What more do ye want.
It's funny to note Donegal people talking up Cavan. Says it all really. The reality is that Donegal will win this at their ease. Cavan will enjoy their big day out. Bookies have Donegal raging favs too. Rarely wrong.
Quote from: Itchy on June 22, 2019, 08:50:55 AM
Quote from: FermGael on June 21, 2019, 06:51:31 PM
Donegal you have one job on Sunday.
Don't care how you do, don't care if it's the worst game of football in the history of football, just get the win.
So bitter, Listen we let ye beat us eventually in championship after 100 years there recently and we thought that would keep ye happy but Christ no it wont. What more do ye want.
Declan Bogue hits the nail on the head
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/declan-bogue/declan-bogue-the-rough-guide-to-cavan-and-ulster-final-day-38232226.html (https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/declan-bogue/declan-bogue-the-rough-guide-to-cavan-and-ulster-final-day-38232226.html)
Copy and paste that on here.. You need to register with Belfast Telegraph to read it all...
Declan Bogue: The rough guide to Cavan and Ulster final day
By Declan Bogue
Styles may have changed since 2001, but turn up in this natty number on Sunday to see a few heads turn
People of Cavan, do not panic - even if it is 18 years since your more flaky supporters were at a county match, the 2001 Ulster final loss to Tyrone. No doubt they are absolutely deserving of a ticket for this Sunday's provincial decider against Donegal.
We suspect that you are salt of the earth types who hold the GAA together at a local level. Maybe you felt pushed out by ticket prices and the 'disconnect' with the big-wigs in Croke Park.
Either way, here you are back in your numbers to shout and bellow and roar for Cavan and, if things aren't going your way in the closing stages, make a big show of leaving early.
As reward for your ultimate sacrifice this Sunday, we present you with 'The rough guide to Ulster final day'.
Dress code
Cavan wear blue, okay? There should be something you could dig out to match your team. Given how Cavan is renowned for its chic gentlemen and glamorous ladies, there is little chance you might pull a little gold and green number out of the wardrobe and inadvertently end up lending your support to Donegal.
DO: Try and source a 1991 edition jersey with the 'Cavan Co-Op Mart' sponsor. Achingly hipster.
DON'T: See that bootcut jeans and brown boots look? Aye, that? It's over, man. And it's not coming back unless Paul Galvin says so and Dunnes Stores start stocking it.
Decorum
When it comes to Donegal, this is their eighth Ulster final in nine years. These people know the drill. Just follow their lead.
They are also a peace-loving crew, calmed by their proximity to the coast. Not like you people, who are permanently jumpy through your proximity to, well, Monaghan.
Finally, there will be a man playing a selection of Donegal ditties on his bagpipes. He will finish them with a cheer of 'Up Donegal!' This is Christy Murray of Raphoe. He's harmless.
DO: Ingratiate yourself to Donegal people by sharing congratulatory tales of how you both left the dark days of defensive football behind.
DON'T: Tell Christy Murray where you would relocate his bagpipes.
Travel plans
Most of you will go by 'The Concession Road', also known as 'The Broad Road'. The cute ones - and who from Cavan doesn't like getting called 'sly' as a compliment? - will go by Scotshouse and mingle behind enemy lines in Connolly's pub.
You're at nothing if you are not vomiting out of a mini-bus or van at the bottom of Fermanagh Street with empty bottles rolling out onto the street heralding your arrival.
But if you insist on driving, then a number of freshly-ploughed fields on the outskirts of town will offer to berth your car (they may call it a 'yoke') for €5 or €10, depending on how dumb you look.
DO: Tell everyone within earshot that you parked just at the entrance of the Gerry Arthurs Stand to win adulation.
DON'T: Tell one of the lads at the gates of the field 'See you next week' as you walk past, wallet intact.
Things to see and do:
Local attractions
For a small market town, Clones is dripping with history and attractions.
Get up to Matt Fitzpatrick Square and learn all about the infamous affray there back in the day. Retrace all the familiar spots featured in Pat McCabe's literary masterpiece 'The Butcher Boy'. The Canal Stores are just out the road to Cavan, you have the burial crypt of the McMahon chieftains, and the Hilton Park Garden.
Those seeking more sporting scenes can recline in Barry McGuigan Park, which could be busy with a squad of lads from Letterkenny praising the merits of 'diffin' and back-wheel drive systems.
MUST SEE: As a study of sporting schadenfreude, local soccer team Clones Town play at 'John Delaney Park'.
ALTHOUGH: You're at an Ulster final like. Grab a Bulmers.
Cuisine
Of course, Clones is a renowned foodie heaven with street food concession carts aplenty. Thing is, that street food is specifically Clones street food and the variety comes in whether you want fried onions on your burger or not.
For those of you looking for refinement you can dig into the á la carte menu in The Cuil Darach just before you climb the hill to the famous old sports ground.
Not far from it, the Creighton Hotel has upped its game in the last few years, though it fights a constant battle trying to strike the right tone with a banner proclaiming 'Clones Town welcomes your old punts' on it's railings.
DO: Go for the onions. The heartburn will be murder, but it's totally worth it.
DON'T: Reduce yourself to eating sandwiches out of the boot along the ditch. Live a little.
Seating
Once upon a time, supporters could access a back field just above the hill in Clones. While the pitch was miles away, the price was for nothing - save the laundry bill if you stepped into a fresh cow pat. One wit renamed this field 'The Breffni Stand'.
Happy journeys to all
Quote from: ck on June 22, 2019, 09:18:23 AM
It's funny to note Donegal people talking up Cavan. Says it all really. The reality is that Donegal will win this at their ease. Cavan will enjoy their big day out. Bookies have Donegal raging favs too. Rarely wrong.
We'll see. The bookies go with the money. If the public is lazy in their analysis and dismisses Cavan and piles the money on Donegal, the bookies are hardly going to give Donegal long odds.
I'm nervous about this. A lot of this Cavan team have had underage success, they have a new man on the line who appears to be very tactically astute, and they will bring tremendous hunger and enthusiasm to the game.
Quote from: ck on June 22, 2019, 09:18:23 AM
It's funny to note Donegal people talking up Cavan. Says it all really. The reality is that Donegal will win this at their ease. Cavan will enjoy their big day out. Bookies have Donegal raging favs too. Rarely wrong.
Going by the bookies it will be a 3 to 4 point win for Donegal and they were wrong about Cavan and Monaghan match.
The way you are talking about this match its like Div 4 Antrim are playing Donegal. Cavan deserve a bit more credit, played in Div 1 this year and were competitive in the majority of their games and have already knocked a Div 1 team out of the Ulster championship.
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2019, 01:17:13 PM
Quote from: ck on June 22, 2019, 09:18:23 AM
It's funny to note Donegal people talking up Cavan. Says it all really. The reality is that Donegal will win this at their ease. Cavan will enjoy their big day out. Bookies have Donegal raging favs too. Rarely wrong.
We'll see. The bookies go with the money. If the public is lazy in their analysis and dismisses Cavan and piles the money on Donegal, the bookies are hardly going to give Donegal long odds.
I'm nervous about this. A lot of this Cavan team have had underage success, they have a new man on the line who appears to be very tactically astute, and they will bring tremendous hunger and enthusiasm to the game.
And as a reminder Cavan's last two Ulster U21 titles they beat Donegal in the finals. How Cavan handle Murphy will be deciding factor, Tyrone surprisingly allowed him to dictate the game.
What's the beef between fermanagh and cavan??
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2019, 01:43:30 PM
What's the beef between fermanagh and cavan??
37 and 0, probably.
It's Fermanagh that has the beef with Cavan. There would be more rivalry with Cavan and Monaghan or Meath even though they are in Leinster..
Quote from: BennyCake on June 22, 2019, 01:54:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2019, 01:43:30 PM
What's the beef between fermanagh and cavan??
37 and 0, probably.
37 nil, was that the score in last year's Ulster final? It was something like that.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2019, 01:43:30 PM
What's the beef between fermanagh and cavan??
Forever in our shadow .....
Cavan like a bag of nerves they will need a few more scores to settle them.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 23, 2019, 02:14:19 PM
Cavan like a bag of nerves they will need a few more scores to settle them.
If they don't settle shortly, it will be too late.
Free for challenge on McGrath. Was actually inside. Should've been called back for a penalty, not a free.
Almost a goal there for Cavan out of nothing. Donegal up the field and lead by 6 points.
Murphy lucky not to see red there.
Dessie Dolan is pathetic, on Murphy's Knee into Galligan, "it looked worse than it was "
Sweet Jesus
How does intentionally kneeing an exposed player in the midriff rank in the hierarchy of wanton violence outrage in the GAA?
Murphy should have got red there.
Donegal have been very impressive but Cavan have completely frozen and it's a very poor spectacle.
Cavan caught like a rabbit in the headlights. Donegal living up to the billing as the main contenders to Dublin this summer.
Dirty act by Murphy. Made worse by the fact that he knew ball was going long, eyed up Galligan and rose the knee intentionally into him.
Did Hugh McFadden make contact with Faulkner's face just before halftime there?
McFadden acknowledged the hit with ref as Cavan counter attacked.
Dangerous in the air. I thought it was a yellow. But if the ref showed red he could had little complaint. That said, game over. The Donegal very fit with a very good forward line. They be the only team who might turn over Dublin
+1, and as previously mentioned Dessie says it looked worse than it was.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 23, 2019, 02:43:01 PM
Dangerous in the air. I thought it was a yellow. But if the ref showed red he could had little complaint. He said game over. The Donegal very fit with a very good forward line. They be the only team who might turn over Dublin
Cavan are so bad today, that you really cannot use this game as a metric
Needless by Murphy, and while I think yellow was correct, he probably couldn't have complained had it been red.
Going well in all areas, although that 60 second spell were Cavan missed the goal and we racked on two quick points could have made a difference.
As neutral watching this a disappointing non competitive provincial final. Cavan unable to respond to the quick Donegal start, the better Cavan players are not showing any leadership, they had two goal chances but both would have been totally against the run of play. I doubt Donegal going into this final thought they would have as much time and space to create and score for fun and they really should have scored a lot more than 0-13 in that 1st half.
Cavan backs playing like under 12's. Two or three following the ball and donegal always have a free man for the off load.
At least Gearoid McKiernan is showing a bit of leadership in this 2nd half. A cavan goal would make the last quarter interesting.
Cavan not lying down anyhow
FFS another 9 stepper for goal , game over. Another shit ref, Cavan turned over the ball earlier fair and square and he gives donegal a free out.
Awful time to concede a goal for Cavan when they were having their best spell.
Quote from: highorlow on June 23, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
FFS another 9 stepper for goal , game over. Another shit ref, Cavan turned over the ball earlier fair and square and he gives donegal a free out.
What nine steps?
Brennan lost hold of the ball.
Timely goal for us. We had a very sloppy five minutes before it.
Quote from: highorlow on June 23, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
FFS another 9 stepper for goal , game over. Another shit ref, Cavan turned over the ball earlier fair and square and he gives donegal a free out.
Any ref who puts his finger to his lips in an attempt to embarrass a senior player shouldn't referee again this season. Respect is a two way street.
Quote from: highorlow on June 23, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
FFS another 9 stepper for goal , game over. Another shit ref, Cavan turned over the ball earlier fair and square and he gives donegal a free out.
Yep Donegal and Kerry have greatly benefited from the referees this weekend.
You've got to admire Cian Mackey.
QuoteBrennan lost hold of the ball.
He took 9 steps prior to that. Doesn't matter Donegal always on top anyhow but it ruined the match from a neutral perspective.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2019, 03:28:09 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 23, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
FFS another 9 stepper for goal , game over. Another shit ref, Cavan turned over the ball earlier fair and square and he gives donegal a free out.
Any ref who puts his finger to his lips in an attempt to embarrass a senior player shouldn't referee again this season. Respect is a two way street. The
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Funny I thought the same about the ref, you might do that in an U10 game , but at senior level, ?
Quote from: highorlow on June 23, 2019, 03:32:48 PM
QuoteBrennan lost hold of the ball.
He took 9 steps prior to that. Doesn't matter Donegal always on top anyhow but it ruined the match from a neutral perspective.
I guess I'll have to look again.
I'm watching online, so saw your comment before the goal, and even watching for it I couldn't see the steps.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2019, 02:40:46 PM
Dirty act by Murphy. Made worse by the fact that he knew ball was going long, eyed up Galligan and rose the knee intentionally into him.
I thought it was a cowardly cheap shot and should have been red. Keeper had the ball when he jumped into him and the raised knee for me was unnecessary and the reason it should have beem red.
Donegal certainly benefiting from the ref today. Still the better team though
Donegal had that final won by half time but credit to Cavan they didn't throw the towel in went down fighting and won the 2nd half.
Dominant display by Donegal from beginning to end, very impressive though allowed Cavan to keep racking up scores.
How it took 65 mins for Conor Lane to spot a throw ball by a Donegal player is astonishing.
Some decent scores but not a great game to watch as the result wasn't in doubt from early on
Well done and congratulations to Donegal, by far the better and more composed side, and exerted full control from pillar to post - or retook it easily when it mattered.
Cavan looked extremely nervy from the off and were a world away from the team that played in earlier rounds. Very subdued, no fire in the belly until Donegal eased off, seemingly perplexed by the conundrum in front of them and never really went for it with the exception of the sub Murray. No shame losing to Donegal with their match winners all over the park but Cavan didn't seem to have any belief at all. Hopefully it was just the occasion getting to them and they can pick it up to make the super 8s because that would represent a very fine season overall. Very weirdly flat performance but it's a good learning experience and the season need not end on this low note.
I always wonder about Galligan in the goals too, great shot stopper but any time I see Cavan his kick outs are very, very patchy and he seems no better than 50-50 off frees too.
Well done Donegal, good luck for the rest of the season.
Cavan shit the nest, Donegal full of big strong men looked good. Second best in the country at moment.
That game looked a classic in comparison to the dubs game which followed
Quote from: Rudi on June 23, 2019, 04:20:12 PM
Cavan shit the nest, Donegal full of big strong men looked good. Second best in the country at moment.
We'll have them in the long grass of Ballybofey once again, in the Semis, even if it's shorn beforehand! ;)
Not many would have predicted two Ulster titles out of two for Bonner when he took over. Shaping into a very effective team full of speed, physical strength, size and scoring power. We should have won that game by at least ten points, but we got sloppy with about ten minutes left and let Cavan put a gloss on the score.
It's a shame the team is coming of age in the era of this Dublin team as there isn't a realistic chance of being a legitimate All Ireland challenger over the couple of years.
Looking forward to Kerry in Croke Park. No reason we shouldn't give them a good game.
Hard luck Cavan. Definitely looked like the occasion got to them, that along with Donegal's physical and speed advantages, but the experience should stand them in good stead going forward. There's no guarantees though - we made three Ulster finals in the 2000s and lost all three to Armagh.
2016 and getting beaten shows you the firepower / running power / decision making of the Donegal team.
Kerry and Donegal super 8 game is in Croke Park ? Should be interesting tussle.
Quote from: orangeman on June 23, 2019, 06:06:58 PM
2016 and getting beaten shows you the firepower / running power / decision making of the Donegal team.
Kerry and Donegal super 8 game is in Croke Park ? Should be interesting tussle.
If I was to base my prediction on what saw in the Ulster and Munster finals I would say Donegal to win by a bit to spare.
We hoped that Donegal were over hyped and we could put it up to them today but the cold truth is they are way ahead of us and probably everyone else in Ulster too. They could've won by 10 to 15 points today if they really wanted to. That bring said we didn't really show up, got our tactics all wrong and gave a pretty poor account of ourselves. Still one game and we'd be in super 8s which would be a massive achievement. Im a believer now that Donegal are the biggest threat to Dublin 5 in a row. Well done to them. We've a long road ahead to get to their level.
Quote from: ck on June 20, 2019, 01:01:17 PM
It's great for Cavan to get to an Ulster Final, long time coming but beating Donegal will be too much of a stretch for them.
Donegal will win at ease, probably by 10points or more. Donegal are genuine All Ireland contenders - Cavan unlikely to even make the Super 8's.
The only one to call it on this thread. 😎
The sh*te talked about Cavan pre game was unreal. Pure hype based on very little.
Quote from: ck on June 23, 2019, 08:51:22 PM
Quote from: ck on June 20, 2019, 01:01:17 PM
It's great for Cavan to get to an Ulster Final, long time coming but beating Donegal will be too much of a stretch for them.
Donegal will win at ease, probably by 10points or more. Donegal are genuine All Ireland contenders - Cavan unlikely to even make the Super 8's.
The only one to call it on this thread. 😎
The sh*te talked about Cavan pre game was unreal. Pure hype based on very little.
Donegal won by 5 points.
Poor performance from Cavan a bit caught up in the occasion possibly but that's a Donegal team on a mission and best of luck to them. Hopefully Cavan can lift it for the qualifier game its luck of draw now. Wont want Armagh or Tyrone in next stage be better off not meetng an Ulster team.
Have to say it saw a pleasure in clones today with the Donegal folk compared to the messing from previous opponents this year.
Two things, which are linked:
1. Was watching on BBC, showed a scene of the crowd. My eye went to one man, and I says to myself "Ah, there's Eamonn Coleman". I had forgot for a second that Eamonn is no longer with us. The man was the absolute spitting image of him.
2. Thomas Niblock referred to Cian Mackey. Apparently Eamonn Coleman gave him his debut. He scored 1-4 or something, and wearing silver boots. After the match Coleman chucks them in the bin. No man on his team was going to wear silver boots!
Apparently Manus Kelly, the recently elected county councilor killed in the rally today was from Glenswilly, and a clubmate and friend of Michael Murphy.
Horrible dampener on was up to that a history-making day for the big man.
Quote from: Cavan19 on June 23, 2019, 09:33:17 PM
Poor performance from Cavan a bit caught up in the occasion possibly but that's a Donegal team on a mission and best of luck to them. Hopefully Cavan can lift it for the qualifier game its luck of draw now. Wont want Armagh or Tyrone in next stage be better off not meetng an Ulster team.
Have to say it saw a pleasure in clones today with the Donegal folk compared to the messing from previous opponents this year.
Cavan are in the first year of a new setup. This experience will stand to them if they stick with the programme
Donegal are a very slick outfit with a good balance between defence and attack and certainly look best equipped to derail Dublins 5 in a row ambitions.
Donegal are very good but Dublin are still about ten points better.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2019, 11:13:03 AM
Donegal are very good but Dublin are still about ten points better.
I agree. It's understandable that people are desperately hoping that there's someone who will put it up to Dublin, but win's against an asleep Tyrone team and a developing Cavan team do not suddenly turn us into Dublin-beaters. There's (correctly) been a lot of talk about how Cavan are a young, developing team ... well so are Donegal. There's no doubt we have progressed since last year and have a really talented bunch of lads playing, but we've done little to suggest that Dublin should have us on their radar.
Is anyone REALLY suggesting that we have a chance of beating them though?
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2019, 01:08:20 PM
Is anyone REALLY suggesting that we have a chance of beating them though?
Of course they have a chance, there is an almost acceptance by some other top counties that they are beaten before they take the field against Dublin now. They are worthy favourites but they will get beaten at some stage and not many will see it coming. If Donegal can beat Kerry in the Super 8s then I think they have a great chance of getting to an AI final. In a once off game against Dublin they have a punchers chance and I certainly wouldn't rule them out.
Well we all need to have some hope that someone will challenge Dublin as if they don't it doesn't look like anyone else will and that would make it really dull. (I'm not a dub hater but they are beginning to cruise the ai like they have done the Leinster for years and that doesn't make for an interesting championship).
I don't think you are doing yourself justice saying an asleep Tyrone team stephenc. It was a good win though if you play them later in the year I wouldn't guarantee the same outcome.
Donegal into second favourites:
Dublin 1/2
Donegal 13/2
Kerry 7/1
Mayo 14/1
Tyrone 20/1
Galway 25/1
Roscommon 40/1
80/1 bar
Jases Galway and Mayowestros must have given us some batins this year ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on June 24, 2019, 04:01:50 PM
Jases Galway and Mayowestros must have given us some batins this year ::)
Bookies base the odds on where the money is going. The dumbest bet the mostest, dont take it personally!
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2019, 01:08:20 PM
Is anyone REALLY suggesting that we have a chance of beating them though?
I think the most common term used is you'd "put it up to them' whatever that really means" Everyone clinging to Donegal given how bad Mayo, Tyrone, Kerry & Galway have been. I have my doubts whether Donegal can get close to Dublin but there's no reason why you won't improve over the next 5/6 weeks.
There's a serious amount of players that have come from that U21 team in 2017, how many were involved yesterday?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 24, 2019, 04:32:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2019, 01:08:20 PM
Is anyone REALLY suggesting that we have a chance of beating them though?
I think the most common term used is you'd "put it up to them' whatever that really means" Everyone clinging to Donegal given how bad Mayo, Tyrone, Kerry & Galway have been. I have my doubts whether Donegal can get close to Dublin but there's no reason why you won't improve over the next 5/6 weeks.
There's a serious amount of players that have come from that U21 team in 2017, how many were involved yesterday?
I would expect Dublin to beat us by a comfortable five or six points, just like they did last year, although I would hope that we'd be able to make them sweat for it a bit more than they had to in that game when they didn't really get out of second gear.
From the U-21s, six started yesterday, another couple came on, another few stayed on the bench. There's a few more have taken the year out (McBrearty Jr, Mulligan, Carroll) but will likely be back.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2019, 11:13:03 AM
Donegal are very good but Dublin are still about ten points better.
If I got a 10 point spread I'd put a fiver on the Donegal men.
donegal full-backs McGee and mcmenamin both yellow carded for sledgeing/goading.
mcmenamin (the boy who tiernan McCann lost the head with) also got a box for his mouthing.
? is this the first time a ref has booked 2 players from the same team for it .
Highly unlikely but I doubt none would keep that stat...
Quote from: weejim on June 24, 2019, 06:35:08 PM
donegal full-backs McGee and mcmenamin both yellow carded for sledgeing/goading.
mcmenamin (the boy who tiernan McCann lost the head with) also got a box for his mouthing.
? is this the first time a ref has booked 2 players from the same team for it .
Why mention McCann here?
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2019, 07:41:43 PM
Quote from: weejim on June 24, 2019, 06:35:08 PM
donegal full-backs McGee and mcmenamin both yellow carded for sledgeing/goading.
mcmenamin (the boy who tiernan McCann lost the head with) also got a box for his mouthing.
? is this the first time a ref has booked 2 players from the same team for it .
Why mention McCann here?
Cos there was a fair chance McMenamin was slabbering last time out as well.
And we all know all about the shite Doengal have come out with before v Tyrone
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 24, 2019, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2019, 07:41:43 PM
Quote from: weejim on June 24, 2019, 06:35:08 PM
donegal full-backs McGee and mcmenamin both yellow carded for sledgeing/goading.
mcmenamin (the boy who tiernan McCann lost the head with) also got a box for his mouthing.
? is this the first time a ref has booked 2 players from the same team for it .
Why mention McCann here?
Cos there was a fair chance McMenamin was slabbering last time out as well.
And we all know all about the shite Doengal have come out with before v Tyrone
So your implication is that mouthing off (something Tyrone have been very adept at over the years yourselves) warrants what McCann did?
If McMenamin earned it, why not just be a man and give him a wallop like Colm McFadden did when Dooher was "slabbering" in the 2007 game?
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2019, 10:37:09 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 24, 2019, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2019, 07:41:43 PM
Quote from: weejim on June 24, 2019, 06:35:08 PM
donegal full-backs McGee and mcmenamin both yellow carded for sledgeing/goading.
mcmenamin (the boy who tiernan McCann lost the head with) also got a box for his mouthing.
? is this the first time a ref has booked 2 players from the same team for it .
Why mention McCann here?
Cos there was a fair chance McMenamin was slabbering last time out as well.
And we all know all about the shite Doengal have come out with before v Tyrone
So your implication is that mouthing off (something Tyrone have been very adept at over the years yourselves) warrants what McCann did?
If McMenamin earned it, why not just be a man and give him a wallop like Colm McFadden did when Dooher was "slabbering" in the 2007 game?
I knew it
I knew it
I knew it
..... the Donegal wans themselves even have McMenamin down as a mouth
Quote from: Hound on June 24, 2019, 03:58:17 PM
Donegal into second favourites:
Dublin 1/2
Donegal 13/2
Kerry 7/1
Mayo 14/1
Tyrone 20/1
Galway 25/1
Roscommon 40/1
80/1 bar
The second favourite is 13 times less fancied than the favourites!
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 24, 2019, 10:42:52 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2019, 10:37:09 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 24, 2019, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2019, 07:41:43 PM
Quote from: weejim on June 24, 2019, 06:35:08 PM
donegal full-backs McGee and mcmenamin both yellow carded for sledgeing/goading.
mcmenamin (the boy who tiernan McCann lost the head with) also got a box for his mouthing.
? is this the first time a ref has booked 2 players from the same team for it .
Why mention McCann here?
Cos there was a fair chance McMenamin was slabbering last time out as well.
And we all know all about the shite Doengal have come out with before v Tyrone
So your implication is that mouthing off (something Tyrone have been very adept at over the years yourselves) warrants what McCann did?
If McMenamin earned it, why not just be a man and give him a wallop like Colm McFadden did when Dooher was "slabbering" in the 2007 game?
I knew it
I knew it
I knew it
..... the Donegal wans themselves even have McMenamin down as a mouth
I've no idea.
I don't know the lad and I don't get to either club or country games these days.
And mouthing off is less visible on tv than some of the things McCann has got up to on the pitch. ;)
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2019, 10:43:29 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 24, 2019, 03:58:17 PM
Donegal into second favourites:
Dublin 1/2
Donegal 13/2
Kerry 7/1
Mayo 14/1
Tyrone 20/1
Galway 25/1
Roscommon 40/1
80/1 bar
The second favourite is 13 times less fancied than the favourites!
And even this is only the bookies trying to get some money on somebody else to reduce the inevitable payout.
the point is ,its obviously part of donegals game plan. its pre-meditated .its not just a reaction. against tyrone you could clearly see it , but only when the play wasn 't near them, -so you cant see it on camera. but it was very obvious from the stand -McGee and mcmenemin especially .trampish behaviour
Quote from: weejim on June 24, 2019, 06:35:08 PM
donegal full-backs McGee and mcmenamin both yellow carded for sledgeing/goading.
mcmenamin (the boy who tiernan McCann lost the head with) also got a box for his mouthing.
? is this the first time a ref has booked 2 players from the same team for it .
McMenamin got booked for holding off the ball. Not sure what McGee got booked for.
you obviously weren't AT the game
Was it different from the game on tv?
their sledging is systematic and pre-planned, its only done off the ball when the cameras have moved on with the play.
that's why, for both yellows, the tv commentators were trying to second guess what they were for.
ps, you don't really see much of the off the ball stuff on tv, but you see it if youre there at the match.
Quote from: weejim on June 25, 2019, 12:49:58 PM
their sledging is systematic and pre-planned, its only done off the ball when the cameras have moved on with the play.
that's why, for both yellows, the tv commentators were trying to second guess what they were for.
ps, you don't really see much of the off the ball stuff on tv, but you see it if youre there at the match.
I was at the match, didnt notice it much but I know the ref did bring forward a free that Galligan was about to take as one of the Donegal players came up and started mouthing to him as he placed the ball. Didnt see what McGee got booked for to be honest but it was the umpire that called that one.
Where are you from? I think there may be a bit of irony in your posts lol.
Quote from: weejim on June 25, 2019, 12:49:58 PM
their sledging is systematic and pre-planned, its only done off the ball when the cameras have moved on with the play.
that's why, for both yellows, the tv commentators were trying to second guess what they were for.
ps, you don't really see much of the off the ball stuff on tv, but you see it if youre there at the match.
You're hardly a Tyrone supporter are you Jim?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 24, 2019, 10:47:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2019, 10:43:29 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 24, 2019, 03:58:17 PM
Donegal into second favourites:
Dublin 1/2
Donegal 13/2
Kerry 7/1
Mayo 14/1
Tyrone 20/1
Galway 25/1
Roscommon 40/1
80/1 bar
The second favourite is 13 times less fancied than the favourites!
And even this is only the bookies trying to get some money on somebody else to reduce the inevitable payout.
Mayo are by a country mile the biggest loser in the bookie's books this year.