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#1
No I am saying that Craigbane got relegated when it mattered in the championship. Being in the same league as a team does not mean you are as good as them. In the same way the teams in the Ulster junior and intermediate will not all be at the same level. Grading by championship only should remove this as good lower grade teams will be promoted by winning their county championship and going to a higher grade.
Playing at a lower level in the league didn't stop Armagh and Dublin before winning All Irelands or being at a higher level help the 8 division 1 teams win one. I just can't agree with your argument that league position should be everything when it clearly isn't in some counties.
#2
Quote from: Armagh18 on Today at 09:54:44 AMIf league and championship were linked, teams like Lavey would put more effort into the league and probably not be division 2
And teams with county players would be adversely affected in league potentially finding themselves at the wrong grade. Lavey stayed senior as they did enough in their championship. Ballinderry and Craigbane went to intermediate and Junior as they didn't do enough in championship- when it mattered.
This is the point Cavan posters have been making and which seems unacceptable to some. There is no one fits all situation that you can apply across all counties.
Maybe the discussion should be on the clubs who have achieved something this year and win their championship at their level rather than the perceived fairness of the grading.
#3
Lavey (no introduction needed) would have played intermediate championship this year if league and championship had been linked in Derry. This year they lost by a point to Glen, Senior All Ireland champions, Newbridge, winners of the Derry SFC and Magherafelt, SFC semi finalists.
Would Geneal Lee be happy to call them an intermediate side?
#4
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling original
November 05, 2024, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: OakleafCounty on November 05, 2024, 12:53:45 PMIt's not the only thing that the County Board are getting wrong.

At underage club level they are still persisting with primary school age teams being odd numbers (u7, u9, u11) while the juvinile teams are u14s etc. This has left a 3 year gap from u11 to u14 which is a nightmare for most clubs to manage. This despite all three bordering counties and LGFA having gone back to even numbers across the board. They are the type of people where, it's their way or the high way.
I think it is 7.5, 9.5 and 11.5 so by school year. But would agree that under 12 should be brought back. Starting at under 14 is too big a leap for some players. And if there can be competitive football for girls at this level how much harm could it do boys.
Under 12 development league apparently went well though that is second hand info. In fairness u14 provided a lot of games for clubs with various grades and multiple teams for clubs.
#5
GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club IFC and JFC 2024
November 03, 2024, 09:04:21 PM
It is a football thread but Derry have the teams ranked 1st 3rd and 5th out of 8 in senior, intermediate and junior hurling. I believe this is first year of this ranking. And it is not particularly easy to rank such a small pool.
Each county is different and each county will likely try to do their best for their clubs. I doubt any put in place structures to make sure they win Ulster club championships at intermediate and junior level in either code.
#6
Are any of the county champions under 17?
#7
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling original
October 30, 2024, 04:19:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 30, 2024, 10:58:54 AM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on October 30, 2024, 09:51:50 AM
Quote from: GTP on October 30, 2024, 09:33:19 AMCongratulations Newbridge. Glen didn't look anywhere near dominant this year and you took them out when the chance game along and it mattered most.
Out of curiosity who beat the under 16B team in the final mentioned and who played and won in the A final?
Glenullin beat us in the B final as to A final I am nearly sure it was Magherafelt who beat Lavey in that final

It'd be interesting to see who has won the U14, U16 and U17/18 underage championship titles in Derry this past 30 years.

I'd say Magherafelt would be up there with a huge majority of them?
I don't know what way the Derry GAA website is run but this is the sort of archive of achievement you would think it possible to build. They could try and remove duplicates from some league tables as well as rogue results from postponements.
#8
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling original
October 30, 2024, 09:33:19 AM
Congratulations Newbridge. Glen didn't look anywhere near dominant this year and you took them out when the chance game along and it mattered most.
Out of curiosity who beat the under 16B team in the final mentioned and who played and won in the A final?
#9
The two point score also takes away from the high ball into the full forward line which everyone loves - which is why we got the forward mark. The fact no trial games have been played with 3,2 and 1 as the scoring system should lead to concern but won't. The enhancements are a mess and anyone predicting there outcome is guessing.
#10
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 25, 2024, 02:43:37 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on October 25, 2024, 02:29:45 PMAnyone know what Derry, Armagh, Fermanagh, Monaghan are charging this weekend? Why is it our county board taking the hand every time
Derry -£15 for Sunday's double header of Intermediate and Senior final.
#11
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
October 21, 2024, 03:16:46 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 21, 2024, 02:33:04 PMDerry have six teams, do a round robin championship, top two senior final, next two are in the intermediate final and the bottom two into the junior final..
Slighlty out on the structure in Derry, there are 8 teams top 2 in each group of 4 play in Senior/ Intermediate play offs with the two losers playing Intermediate final (Kevin Lynch's and winners Swatragh for this year) and winners going onto senior final(S'Neil and Banagher) The bottom two in each group go into Junior semi finals, Ballinascreen came through this year against Lavey at windswept Owenbeg yesterday.
#12
1. one year to trial these rules initially and also allowing tweaks/adjustments
    2025 will be an ongoing experiment for county teams and supporters. And who decides if a rule isn't working as
    planned to make these changes (or will admit they aren't working).
2. the reality is that the powers that be know that the game is in trouble
    This is because they keep telling us how terrible football is a marketing ploy which I cannot fathom.
3. they are willing to give counties control over which of these rules to bring in at underage
    Making the men's game fundamentally different from the female game doesn't sit well with me. Allowing 32 counties
    the chance to decide the rules for underage football doesn't seem a great idea either. The difference in
    age grades across counties shows it is unlikely everyone will be of the same opinion as to what does and does not
    apply.

Twohands you are probably correct as it does look like there is no stopping the enhancements, but I am not convinced by them or by the evidence of the matches played over the weekend.
Above all with the new scoring I will be looking forward to attending matches with no scoreboard and no umpires then going home to find the result on teletext the internet.
#13
If a player is sent off or black carded will the full strength side be able to have a 13 v 11 situation in attack when goalkeeper gets involved?
#14
Player on the ground punished for not getting off the ball, not sure what more he could have done.
Advantage from the forward mark which rewarded a terrible miss and a catch at chest height. Skills we all want to see.
#15
13 v 13 is over a 10% reduction in the number of players participating in a match. This is bound to cause a drop off in playing numbers over time damaging clubs particularly at underage. The unintended consequences would be worse than the problem it is intended to solve.