A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

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Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

armaghniac

Quote from: BennyCake on February 07, 2019, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 07, 2019, 05:56:22 PM
Brexit has been a game changer no doubt and border poll isn't silly talk anymore.  Economic case can be made for a UI supported by Brussels rather than London.  And politically anyone who believed Westminster gave a toot about the North has had their eyes opened.
But funny enough, if there's a hard Brexit, the South will really suffer greatly, and that would weaken the appeal for voting for change for some northerners.  Surely the DUP aren't that clever.

I don't think anyone ever thought that.

I think a lot of people thought that Westminster was willing to keep the peace because it would cause them problems if they did not.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

LCohen

Quote from: Sportacus on February 07, 2019, 05:56:22 PM
  Economic case can be made for a UI supported by Brussels rather than London.

Who has made this case? Who in the EU or the 26 nations has said its a runner given each has a veto?

armaghniac

Quote from: LCohen on February 07, 2019, 08:33:26 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 07, 2019, 05:56:22 PM
  Economic case can be made for a UI supported by Brussels rather than London.

Who has made this case? Who in the EU or the 26 nations has said its a runner given each has a veto?

The EU should not have to mop up after the British and many countries would see it that way. However, some capital funding would be likely be available for roads, linking the electricity grid and that kind of thing. Ireland's contribution to the EU would fall as the country would be poorer and that would free up some funds.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Sportacus

Mary Lou marching behind an 'England get out of Ireland' banner.  That's embarrassing.  All SF have to do is keep their mouths shut and let the DUP get the bigots prize, but they always manage something offensive.

charlieTully

Quote from: Sportacus on March 16, 2019, 10:49:17 PM
Mary Lou marching behind an 'England get out of Ireland' banner.  That's embarrassing.  All SF have to do is keep their mouths shut and let the DUP get the bigots prize, but they always manage something offensive.

You are offended by a banner saying England out of Ireland?

Rossfan

As England doesn't exist as a political entity.....
Is it one of their International Sports teams using an Irish Stadium she's on about or what?
Keep them out of Páirc Uí Chaoimh I say!!!
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Farrandeelin

Quote from: Sportacus on March 16, 2019, 10:49:17 PM
Mary Lou marching behind an 'England get out of Ireland' banner.  That's embarrassing.  All SF have to do is keep their mouths shut and let the DUP get the bigots prize, but they always manage something offensive.

Agree. It's hardly the way to go about winning a border poll.
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Raginbull

Quote from: Sportacus on March 16, 2019, 10:49:17 PM
Mary Lou marching behind an 'England get out of Ireland' banner.  That's embarrassing.  All SF have to do is keep their mouths shut and let the DUP get the bigots prize, but they always manage something offensive.

The Shinners have played this entire brexit thing horribly from the start. Constantly bleating on about a border poll has resulted in the extreme unionists coming to the fore again and digging their heels in. Its quite conceivable that if the british leave the EU that scotland will leave the UK and NI would follow. Mary Lou doesn't seem to realise or care that even though she may get a majority in the North for a UI, if there is even a possible sniff of hassle for the south she won't get it here. People in the south are not going to suck up the initial financial hit and have the UDA planting bombs in Dublin. The best thing that SF could do is get the assembly open again, do their utmost to work with the unionists, remove as much as possible the hatred between the two and wait for the general population to get pissed off importing goods from, or going through customs checks in france, germany, spain etc and decide the benefits of the EU outweigh any of being in the UK.

Farrandeelin

Quote from: Raginbull on March 17, 2019, 11:34:11 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on March 16, 2019, 10:49:17 PM
Mary Lou marching behind an 'England get out of Ireland' banner.  That's embarrassing.  All SF have to do is keep their mouths shut and let the DUP get the bigots prize, but they always manage something offensive.

The Shinners have played this entire brexit thing horribly from the start. Constantly bleating on about a border poll has resulted in the extreme unionists coming to the fore again and digging their heels in. Its quite conceivable that if the british leave the EU that scotland will leave the UK and NI would follow. Mary Lou doesn't seem to realise or care that even though she may get a majority in the North for a UI, if there is even a possible sniff of hassle for the south she won't get it here. People in the south are not going to suck up the initial financial hit and have the UDA planting bombs in Dublin. The best thing that SF could do is get the assembly open again, do their utmost to work with the unionists, remove as much as possible the hatred between the two and wait for the general population to get pissed off importing goods from, or going through customs checks in france, germany, spain etc and decide the benefits of the EU outweigh any of being in the UK.

Yea...just like that. I can just imagine Michelle O'Neill asking Arlene to open up Stormont again.  ::)

Working with the DUP will never work.
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Solo_run

Quote from: Raginbull on March 17, 2019, 11:34:11 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on March 16, 2019, 10:49:17 PM
Mary Lou marching behind an 'England get out of Ireland' banner.  That's embarrassing.  All SF have to do is keep their mouths shut and let the DUP get the bigots prize, but they always manage something offensive.

The Shinners have played this entire brexit thing horribly from the start. Constantly bleating on about a border poll has resulted in the extreme unionists coming to the fore again and digging their heels in. Its quite conceivable that if the british leave the EU that scotland will leave the UK and NI would follow. Mary Lou doesn't seem to realise or care that even though she may get a majority in the North for a UI, if there is even a possible sniff of hassle for the south she won't get it here. People in the south are not going to suck up the initial financial hit and have the UDA planting bombs in Dublin. The best thing that SF could do is get the assembly open again, do their utmost to work with the unionists, remove as much as possible the hatred between the two and wait for the general population to get pissed off importing goods from, or going through customs checks in france, germany, spain etc and decide the benefits of the EU outweigh any of being in the UK.

It was the DUPs fault for Stormont failing. The DUP have been at the centre of multiple scandals over the last number of years and SF are sick of it and rightly so. Nothing changes, they get away with everything and are never held accountable.

marty34

Quote from: Raginbull on March 17, 2019, 11:34:11 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on March 16, 2019, 10:49:17 PM
Mary Lou marching behind an 'England get out of Ireland' banner.  That's embarrassing.  All SF have to do is keep their mouths shut and let the DUP get the bigots prize, but they always manage something offensive.

The Shinners have played this entire brexit thing horribly from the start. Constantly bleating on about a border poll has resulted in the extreme unionists coming to the fore again and digging their heels in. Its quite conceivable that if the british leave the EU that scotland will leave the UK and NI would follow. Mary Lou doesn't seem to realise or care that even though she may get a majority in the North for a UI, if there is even a possible sniff of hassle for the south she won't get it here. People in the south are not going to suck up the initial financial hit and have the UDA planting bombs in Dublin. The best thing that SF could do is get the assembly open again, do their utmost to work with the unionists, remove as much as possible the hatred between the two and wait for the general population to get pissed off importing goods from, or going through customs checks in france, germany, spain etc and decide the benefits of the EU outweigh any of being in the UK.

This was tried before - that's why the Shinners pulled out.  DUP still have the notion that it's 1960. They had their chance to share power on an equal basis.  Unionists showed, as in the 20's, 60's and 70's etc. etc. that they are not able to share power with nationalists.

No return to Stomont - they had their chance and blew it.

Rossfan

Agree with the last sentence.
Mind you it was a silly action on behalf of Marylou.
But I suppose when you have nothing to offer but slogans sure what's another banner?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

marty34

Quote from: Rossfan on March 17, 2019, 12:38:33 PM
Agree with the last sentence.
Mind you it was a silly action on behalf of Marylou.
But I suppose when you have nothing to offer but slogans sure what's another banner?

I was replying to another post - like a few others were re: getting back to Stormont!  You even agree with me...lol.

Imagine Mary Lou, at a St. Patrick's Day parade in America, stating a political ideal to break the link with England.

Thanks for your advice. I'll take it on board...not.

Raginbull

Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 17, 2019, 11:54:03 AM
Quote from: Raginbull on March 17, 2019, 11:34:11 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on March 16, 2019, 10:49:17 PM
Mary Lou marching behind an 'England get out of Ireland' banner.  That's embarrassing.  All SF have to do is keep their mouths shut and let the DUP get the bigots prize, but they always manage something offensive.

The Shinners have played this entire brexit thing horribly from the start. Constantly bleating on about a border poll has resulted in the extreme unionists coming to the fore again and digging their heels in. Its quite conceivable that if the british leave the EU that scotland will leave the UK and NI would follow. Mary Lou doesn't seem to realise or care that even though she may get a majority in the North for a UI, if there is even a possible sniff of hassle for the south she won't get it here. People in the south are not going to suck up the initial financial hit and have the UDA planting bombs in Dublin. The best thing that SF could do is get the assembly open again, do their utmost to work with the unionists, remove as much as possible the hatred between the two and wait for the general population to get pissed off importing goods from, or going through customs checks in france, germany, spain etc and decide the benefits of the EU outweigh any of being in the UK.

Yea...just like that. I can just imagine Michelle O'Neill asking Arlene to open up Stormont again.  ::)

Working with the DUP will never work.

Then neither will a united Ireland. If you think the people in the south are going to vote for a situation similar to before the good Friday agreement but with the bombs down here rather than the UK you're delusional. You won't see a united Ireland without nationalists being the bigger man.