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Finished it last week too. Good show. Looks to have plenty there to run for few more series as seems to have been well received.

Just started love/hate. Didn't watch it at the time and been meaning to get to it. Two episodes in and it's grand. But I'm assuming it will take off shortly given the reviews it had.

Choked
Bottled it

Nobody just gets beat anymore.

Literally......

Having read through the 11 pages of the actual report,it would be handed back to an Economics Undergraduate and He/She would be told to consider another career route

The Authors base their case for starters on an assumption that they know the amount of UK subvention into NI every Year,which is news to anyone versed in these matters as the UK government has never stated an exact total or given an exact breakdown

They then assume that a UI would need to match the current NI contribution to a UK defence Budget,(no thanks Lads,We wont be paying for Trident or Aircraft Carriers)or continue to pay a pro rata portion of UK Debt AFTER NI had left the UK or that the UK would reneage on pension contributions by NI workers paid into the UK pension pot when NI was part of the Uk.

Those 3 areas alone come to anywhere between £5 and £7 bn per annum.

it also assumes that growth rates and productivity are stuck to the floor over the next 20 years, takes no account of the savings or synergy brought about by an All Island Economy and takes no account of inputs from the likes of the EU or FDI going into the 6 counties at 26 counties levels.

This is the type of scrutiny that should be published in the media, but it doesn't make a good headline.
I know for a fact, there are quite a few large multi-national's investing in setting up offices and expanding existing operations in NI as a direct result of Brexit and the finalising of the Windsor agreement. An NI business in Finance/Captial Markets and IT has access to GB and EU markets whilst taking advantage of generally lower salaries and operating costs than in GB and ROI. We're talking high value jobs being created here and the impact of those jobs on the NI economy remain to be seen.
But I don't hear anyone in the media talking about that.

If there wasn't such uncertainty about Stormont, there would be even more FDI in NI. Some businesses are holding off due to the clusterf**k going on up there and the will they, won't they nature of the DUP. If they had managed this correctly and given the impression that NI was open for business in the Uk and Europe there would have been more companies interested. Instead they've f**ked up what should have been a major good news story for NI by making it look like a risk for businesses to commit.

It's only £100 for a couple these days tho.

Congrats on the big day. Great news for the board. Bound to be a mini series in the offing?

[25%. The unemployment rate is however only 2% (a great example of joke statistics).]

Everyone wants a plan from Dublin for a UI but the biggest problem is the North has 225,000 public sector employees and 590,009 private sector while the South has 370,000 public sector and 2.3m private sector. This is not even addressing the high economic inactivity rate in North at 25%. The unemployment rate is however only 2% (a great example of joke statistics).

So well over 100,000 public sector employees in North will have to lose jobs and find a job in the private sector. Where? That will have to be in the first paragraph of Dublin's plan but no one wants to read that and there's no political will in North or GB to solve that problem.

On the plus side, the South will have a €100bn sovereign wealth fund by 2035 and the Yanks might throw in a few bob to help a smooth transition.

The economic inactive includes students and retired people. Neither of which should be included. That's the problem with statistics.

Still completely confused about what you're saying


Are you saying that I'm xenophobic for even posting about it?

(Even though my position is in line with 59% of people polled by the Irish times)



I leave it here:

Do people have legitimate reasons (not fueled by Xenophoba or Racism) to be angry about how the government has handled this crisis?

I'm talking about you. Not other people. Other people might post about all the reasons that affect health waiting lists as well as the impact of immigration. However if they ignore all other reasons and solely focus on immigration as the cause then I'd tend to think they're a bit xenophobic as well.

Hope that's clear.

So what you're saying is that people can have legitimate concerns about immigration policies-that aren't based on racism or xenophobia

(But me posting about them is racist/xenophobic because I don't post about other things)

Interesting!

 I don't really want to explain it for the 3rd time. Especially as we both know that you understand exactly what I'm saying.

Its the oldest trick in the book

Suppress dissenting points of view by accusing people of being racist

You know what your doing.

Still completely confused about what you're saying


Are you saying that I'm xenophobic for even posting about it?

(Even though my position is in line with 59% of people polled by the Irish times)



I leave it here:

Do people have legitimate reasons (not fueled by Xenophoba or Racism) to be angry about how the government has handled this crisis?

I'm talking about you. Not other people. Other people might post about all the reasons that affect health waiting lists as well as the impact of immigration. However if they ignore all other reasons and solely focus on immigration as the cause then I'd tend to think they're a bit xenophobic as well.

Hope that's clear.

So what you're saying is that people can have legitimate concerns about immigration policies-that aren't based on racism or xenophobia

(But me posting about them is racist/xenophobic because I don't post about other things)

Interesting!

 I don't really want to explain it for the 3rd time. Especially as we both know that you understand exactly what I'm saying.

Still completely confused about what you're saying


Are you saying that I'm xenophobic for even posting about it?

(Even though my position is in line with 59% of people polled by the Irish times)



I leave it here:

Do people have legitimate reasons (not fueled by Xenophoba or Racism) to be angry about how the government has handled this crisis?

I'm talking about you. Not other people. Other people might post about all the reasons that affect health waiting lists as well as the impact of immigration. However if they ignore all other reasons and solely focus on immigration as the cause then I'd tend to think they're a bit xenophobic as well.

Hope that's clear.

I get it

Any any all complaints/concerns regarding migrants/refugees/asylum seekers are driven by racism or stupidity or both

If you're a taxpayer how dare you question the funneling of hundreds of millions in taxpayer money to immigration when basic services such as healthcare, law enforcement and education go unfounded

Should be an interesting election season 

I think the point is why are you not as agitated about other perhaps more significant issues such as the aforementioned tax evasion on the likes of the Healthcare, law enforcement etc if you can explain that, then people might be less likely to label you as potentially racist for constantly referring it back to immigration.

Who said I'm not agitated about all these other things........we just happen to be discussing immigration and in my opinion people have legitimate beefs with the government over how they've handled this crisis

Whether it's the non
enforcement of our own laws, or suddenly finding hundreds of millions of Euros in funding for refugees while basic services for the population at large are seriously underfunded

Do you think they have handled it properly?

It's obvious from your posts your more motivated by the impact of immigration than others aspects that affect healthcare and service provision. I'd say 80% + of your posts are on immigration. If it's just because of the impact immigration has on other services then why aren't you as vocal about the other major factors?

Can you understand why it looks like racism?

Refresh my memory-exact what race do Ukrainians (and Georgians) belong to?

I don't believe they're the only ones that have you hot and bothered. But I'm quite happy to change the word to xenophobic if you prefer?

I get it

Any any all complaints/concerns regarding migrants/refugees/asylum seekers are driven by racism or stupidity or both

If you're a taxpayer how dare you question the funneling of hundreds of millions in taxpayer money to immigration when basic services such as healthcare, law enforcement and education go unfounded

Should be an interesting election season 

I think the point is why are you not as agitated about other perhaps more significant issues such as the aforementioned tax evasion on the likes of the Healthcare, law enforcement etc if you can explain that, then people might be less likely to label you as potentially racist for constantly referring it back to immigration.

Who said I'm not agitated about all these other things........we just happen to be discussing immigration and in my opinion people have legitimate beefs with the government over how they've handled this crisis

Whether it's the non
enforcement of our own laws, or suddenly finding hundreds of millions of Euros in funding for refugees while basic services for the population at large are seriously underfunded

Do you think they have handled it properly?

It's obvious from your posts your more motivated by the impact of immigration than others aspects that affect healthcare and service provision. I'd say 80% + of your posts are on immigration. If it's just because of the impact immigration has on other services then why aren't you as vocal about the other major factors?

Can you understand why it looks like racism?

Refresh my memory-exact what race do Ukrainians (and Georgians) belong to?

I don't believe they're the only ones that have you hot and bothered. But I'm quite happy to change the word to xenophobic if you prefer?

So is it xenophobic for people to support the governments policy of
"bringing Ireland in line with other EU countries" when it comes to welfare payments to Ukrainians?

https://www.barrons.com/amp/news/ireland-to-cut-financial-support-for-ukrainian-refugees-1f1b1c7d#

Who claimed that?

You did. Unless I misunderstood you

You did.

The reason I think you're xenophobic is that you only post about the impact of immigration on service provision, And none of the other factors that impact it. That makes me think you've decided to weight more against that factor because it fits in with your beliefs better.

Just my opinion to be fair.

I get it

Any any all complaints/concerns regarding migrants/refugees/asylum seekers are driven by racism or stupidity or both

If you're a taxpayer how dare you question the funneling of hundreds of millions in taxpayer money to immigration when basic services such as healthcare, law enforcement and education go unfounded

Should be an interesting election season 

I think the point is why are you not as agitated about other perhaps more significant issues such as the aforementioned tax evasion on the likes of the Healthcare, law enforcement etc if you can explain that, then people might be less likely to label you as potentially racist for constantly referring it back to immigration.

Who said I'm not agitated about all these other things........we just happen to be discussing immigration and in my opinion people have legitimate beefs with the government over how they've handled this crisis

Whether it's the non
enforcement of our own laws, or suddenly finding hundreds of millions of Euros in funding for refugees while basic services for the population at large are seriously underfunded

Do you think they have handled it properly?

It's obvious from your posts your more motivated by the impact of immigration than others aspects that affect healthcare and service provision. I'd say 80% + of your posts are on immigration. If it's just because of the impact immigration has on other services then why aren't you as vocal about the other major factors?

Can you understand why it looks like racism?

Refresh my memory-exact what race do Ukrainians (and Georgians) belong to?

I don't believe they're the only ones that have you hot and bothered. But I'm quite happy to change the word to xenophobic if you prefer?

I get it

Any any all complaints/concerns regarding migrants/refugees/asylum seekers are driven by racism or stupidity or both

If you're a taxpayer how dare you question the funneling of hundreds of millions in taxpayer money to immigration when basic services such as healthcare, law enforcement and education go unfounded

Should be an interesting election season 

I think the point is why are you not as agitated about other perhaps more significant issues such as the aforementioned tax evasion on the likes of the Healthcare, law enforcement etc if you can explain that, then people might be less likely to label you as potentially racist for constantly referring it back to immigration.

Who said I'm not agitated about all these other things........we just happen to be discussing immigration and in my opinion people have legitimate beefs with the government over how they've handled this crisis

Whether it's the non
enforcement of our own laws, or suddenly finding hundreds of millions of Euros in funding for refugees while basic services for the population at large are seriously underfunded

Do you think they have handled it properly?

It's obvious from your posts your more motivated by the impact of immigration than others aspects that affect healthcare and service provision. I'd say 80% + of your posts are on immigration. If it's just because of the impact immigration has on other services then why aren't you as vocal about the other major factors?

Can you understand why it looks like racism?

Refresh my memory-exact what race do Ukrainians (and Georgians) belong to?

I don't believe they're the only ones that have you hot and bothered. But I'm quite happy to change the word to xenophobic if you prefer?

So is it xenophobic for people to support the governments policy of
"bringing Ireland in line with other EU countries" when it comes to welfare payments to Ukrainians?

https://www.barrons.com/amp/news/ireland-to-cut-financial-support-for-ukrainian-refugees-1f1b1c7d#

Who claimed that?

I get it

Any any all complaints/concerns regarding migrants/refugees/asylum seekers are driven by racism or stupidity or both

If you're a taxpayer how dare you question the funneling of hundreds of millions in taxpayer money to immigration when basic services such as healthcare, law enforcement and education go unfounded

Should be an interesting election season 

I think the point is why are you not as agitated about other perhaps more significant issues such as the aforementioned tax evasion on the likes of the Healthcare, law enforcement etc if you can explain that, then people might be less likely to label you as potentially racist for constantly referring it back to immigration.

Who said I'm not agitated about all these other things........we just happen to be discussing immigration and in my opinion people have legitimate beefs with the government over how they've handled this crisis

Whether it's the non
enforcement of our own laws, or suddenly finding hundreds of millions of Euros in funding for refugees while basic services for the population at large are seriously underfunded

Do you think they have handled it properly?

It's obvious from your posts your more motivated by the impact of immigration than others aspects that affect healthcare and service provision. I'd say 80% + of your posts are on immigration. If it's just because of the impact immigration has on other services then why aren't you as vocal about the other major factors?

Can you understand why it looks like racism?

Refresh my memory-exact what race do Ukrainians (and Georgians) belong to?

I don't believe they're the only ones that have you hot and bothered. But I'm quite happy to change the word to xenophobic if you prefer?

I get it

Any any all complaints/concerns regarding migrants/refugees/asylum seekers are driven by racism or stupidity or both

If you're a taxpayer how dare you question the funneling of hundreds of millions in taxpayer money to immigration when basic services such as healthcare, law enforcement and education go unfounded

Should be an interesting election season 

I think the point is why are you not as agitated about other perhaps more significant issues such as the aforementioned tax evasion on the likes of the Healthcare, law enforcement etc if you can explain that, then people might be less likely to label you as potentially racist for constantly referring it back to immigration.

Who said I'm not agitated about all these other things........we just happen to be discussing immigration and in my opinion people have legitimate beefs with the government over how they've handled this crisis

Whether it's the non
enforcement of our own laws, or suddenly finding hundreds of millions of Euros in funding for refugees while basic services for the population at large are seriously underfunded

Do you think they have handled it properly?

It's obvious from your posts your more motivated by the impact of immigration than others aspects that affect healthcare and service provision. I'd say 80% + of your posts are on immigration. If it's just because of the impact immigration has on other services then why aren't you as vocal about the other major factors?

Can you understand why it looks like racism?

I get it

Any any all complaints/concerns regarding migrants/refugees/asylum seekers are driven by racism or stupidity or both

If you're a taxpayer how dare you question the funneling of hundreds of millions in taxpayer money to immigration when basic services such as healthcare, law enforcement and education go unfounded

Should be an interesting election season 

I think the point is why are you not as agitated about other perhaps more significant issues such as the aforementioned tax evasion on the likes of the Healthcare, law enforcement etc if you can explain that, then people might be less likely to label you as potentially racist for constantly referring it back to immigration.

[billions]

So if I understand you correctly, in your view, ALL concerns regarding immigration are driven by either racism or stupidity (or both)?

And if the answer is yes-do you support open borders?

All concerns? Not in the slightest. But anyone who regards it as a priority or anything close to one, or who spends more time obsessing about it than about they do about health, education, taxation etc...Well you have to question their motivation.


After all, other than racism or stupidity, why would anyone be angry enough to take to the streets, or to base their voting decisions in protest about immigration ahead of in protest about the state of the health service, or housing crisis, or tax evasion by the super wealthy etc etc etc?

Hear hear... is a very useful distraction used by FG and Tories from those other more pressing issues

Seeing millions being spent on housing refugees etc is bound to (rightly or wrongly) piss people off when they can see the state of things like the roads, hospitals, schools etc. low hanging fruit for a protest vote.

Screaming far right doesn't help.

Hospitals have been a shambles long before a refugee was about the place. If you blame hospital issues on refugees it's as simple as this, you are a racist.

And we were told that there was no money to fix hospitals..........and yet we have hundreds of millions (if not billions) to house, feed and clothe refugees

There's towns and villages that don't have a single Guard-and yet we have hundreds of millions (if not billions) to house, feed and clothe refugees

38000 people have been waiting for more than 18 months for a scan yet we have hundreds of millions (if not billions) to house, feed and clothe refugees

10,000 disabled kids have been waiting for more than a year to get an appt to see a specialist and yet we somehow have hundreds of millions (if not billions) to house, feed and clothe refugees

People are rightly outraged and it has shag all to do with racism

I hear it's closer to trillions. You forgot to shoehorn the homeless in there. You've a huge heart caring so deeply about so so many

So please explain the "crackdown" for me on people arriving without passports?

Why was a "crackdown" needed if the law was being rigorously enforced to begin with?

Was Helen McEntee a racist for enforcing a "crackdown" and enforcing pre existing laws?

Is Helen McEntee "far right"?

Explain why the welfare payments for Ukrainians were cut in half-if they weren't overly generous to begin with

Was it racist or far right to cut the payments in half?

Crackdown is often used when readdressing focus onto an issue. You often hear of a crackdown on drugs, a crackdown on drink driving, a crackdown on speeding etc. there's currently a crackdown on dodgy boxes ffs. It happens in all areas of law enforcement.