Hurling 2022

[shark]

Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...

Their turnover of players is far higher. Especially when you get past the top 5/6 players for each of those teams.  The effort put in vs the reward for that effort is completely out of kilter. They know where their ceiling is.

Is turnover the difference? Players in the elite counties get time together to develop their skills and the cohesion of the group. That leads to positive match experience.
I remember 2006-10 watching Galway. They could never kick on from the previous year. An all Ireland final was unattainable. Part of it was management churn but another part was a losing mentality. It was only when the management changed in 2011 and imposed a different culture that the learning process could begin.

It's obviously not the only difference, but it's a factor. Galway 06-10 would at least have had hope. Many of those players had won Minor and/or u21 all-Irelands. Hope is an essential factor to move from also-rans to contenders. Without it, apathy sets in. See the non-Dublin Leinster counties in football over the past decade as another example of this. An intercounty hurler in Westmeath/Carlow/Kerry knows they have no hope of competing properly with the top teams over any extended period of time. Their hope centres around the possibility of a big one-off win. That won't sustain the hurler who has anything else of note going on in their lives.

[johnnycool]

Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...

Their turnover of players is far higher. Especially when you get past the top 5/6 players for each of those teams.  The effort put in vs the reward for that effort is completely out of kilter. They know where their ceiling is.

Is turnover the difference? Players in the elite counties get time together to develop their skills and the cohesion of the group. That leads to positive match experience.
I remember 2006-10 watching Galway. They could never kick on from the previous year. An all Ireland final was unattainable. Part of it was management churn but another part was a losing mentality. It was only when the management changed in 2011 and imposed a different culture that the learning process could begin.

It's obviously not the only difference, but it's a factor. Galway 06-10 would at least have had hope. Many of those players had won Minor and/or u21 all-Irelands. Hope is an essential factor to move from also-rans to contenders. Without it, apathy sets in. See the non-Dublin Leinster counties in football over the past decade as another example of this. An intercounty hurler in Westmeath/Carlow/Kerry knows they have no hope of competing properly with the top teams over any extended period of time. Their hope centres around the possibility of a big one-off win. That won't sustain the hurler who has anything else of note going on in their lives.

A lot of truth in this hence that's why a lot of club hurlers don't commit to going to the county, e.g. A club hurler from one of the big clubs in Ulster is three or four big games away from an AI semi-final at the highest level, they won't get that lining out for Antrim and currently Derry hurlers for instance and even look at MLR in Carlow getting to an AI final when they're nowhere near that level with Carlow.

That's the hard reality.

[imtommygunn]

It's a problem in county regardless of hurling or football tbh.

[seafoid]

The provincial system is also a problem. Leinster and Munster look after themselves.

[Milltown Row2]

Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...

Their turnover of players is far higher. Especially when you get past the top 5/6 players for each of those teams.  The effort put in vs the reward for that effort is completely out of kilter. They know where their ceiling is.

Is turnover the difference? Players in the elite counties get time together to develop their skills and the cohesion of the group. That leads to positive match experience.
I remember 2006-10 watching Galway. They could never kick on from the previous year. An all Ireland final was unattainable. Part of it was management churn but another part was a losing mentality. It was only when the management changed in 2011 and imposed a different culture that the learning process could begin.

It's obviously not the only difference, but it's a factor. Galway 06-10 would at least have had hope. Many of those players had won Minor and/or u21 all-Irelands. Hope is an essential factor to move from also-rans to contenders. Without it, apathy sets in. See the non-Dublin Leinster counties in football over the past decade as another example of this. An intercounty hurler in Westmeath/Carlow/Kerry knows they have no hope of competing properly with the top teams over any extended period of time. Their hope centres around the possibility of a big one-off win. That won't sustain the hurler who has anything else of note going on in their lives.

A lot of truth in this hence that's why a lot of club hurlers don't commit to going to the county, e.g. A club hurler from one of the big clubs in Ulster is three or four big games away from an AI semi-final at the highest level, they won't get that lining out for Antrim and currently Derry hurlers for instance and even look at MLR in Carlow getting to an AI final when they're nowhere near that level with Carlow.

That's the hard reality.

That's why I don't do intercounty 

[johnnycool]

Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...

Their turnover of players is far higher. Especially when you get past the top 5/6 players for each of those teams.  The effort put in vs the reward for that effort is completely out of kilter. They know where their ceiling is.

Is turnover the difference? Players in the elite counties get time together to develop their skills and the cohesion of the group. That leads to positive match experience.
I remember 2006-10 watching Galway. They could never kick on from the previous year. An all Ireland final was unattainable. Part of it was management churn but another part was a losing mentality. It was only when the management changed in 2011 and imposed a different culture that the learning process could begin.

It's obviously not the only difference, but it's a factor. Galway 06-10 would at least have had hope. Many of those players had won Minor and/or u21 all-Irelands. Hope is an essential factor to move from also-rans to contenders. Without it, apathy sets in. See the non-Dublin Leinster counties in football over the past decade as another example of this. An intercounty hurler in Westmeath/Carlow/Kerry knows they have no hope of competing properly with the top teams over any extended period of time. Their hope centres around the possibility of a big one-off win. That won't sustain the hurler who has anything else of note going on in their lives.

A lot of truth in this hence that's why a lot of club hurlers don't commit to going to the county, e.g. A club hurler from one of the big clubs in Ulster is three or four big games away from an AI semi-final at the highest level, they won't get that lining out for Antrim and currently Derry hurlers for instance and even look at MLR in Carlow getting to an AI final when they're nowhere near that level with Carlow.

That's the hard reality.

That's why I don't do intercounty 

Don't or didn't? 

[Milltown Row2]

Westmeaths, Carlows, Laoises , Antrims put huge effort in to close the gap then for a year or so get close then can't sustain the effort then drop off. Repeat...

Their turnover of players is far higher. Especially when you get past the top 5/6 players for each of those teams.  The effort put in vs the reward for that effort is completely out of kilter. They know where their ceiling is.

Is turnover the difference? Players in the elite counties get time together to develop their skills and the cohesion of the group. That leads to positive match experience.
I remember 2006-10 watching Galway. They could never kick on from the previous year. An all Ireland final was unattainable. Part of it was management churn but another part was a losing mentality. It was only when the management changed in 2011 and imposed a different culture that the learning process could begin.

It's obviously not the only difference, but it's a factor. Galway 06-10 would at least have had hope. Many of those players had won Minor and/or u21 all-Irelands. Hope is an essential factor to move from also-rans to contenders. Without it, apathy sets in. See the non-Dublin Leinster counties in football over the past decade as another example of this. An intercounty hurler in Westmeath/Carlow/Kerry knows they have no hope of competing properly with the top teams over any extended period of time. Their hope centres around the possibility of a big one-off win. That won't sustain the hurler who has anything else of note going on in their lives.

A lot of truth in this hence that's why a lot of club hurlers don't commit to going to the county, e.g. A club hurler from one of the big clubs in Ulster is three or four big games away from an AI semi-final at the highest level, they won't get that lining out for Antrim and currently Derry hurlers for instance and even look at MLR in Carlow getting to an AI final when they're nowhere near that level with Carlow.

That's the hard reality.

That's why I don't do intercounty 

Don't or didn't? 

I see Lynch is out with a confirmed hamstring injury? Will he be back for the All Ireland final?

[seafoid]

Clash of the Leinster titans imminent

[laoislad]

Great game that very enjoyable.

[imtommygunn]

Was that a free?? You fairly had to fight for the ball if you wanted it in that game.

Cody doesn't look like much love lost for shefflin.

[laoislad]

Was that a free?? You fairly had to fight for the ball if you wanted it in that game.

Cody doesn't look like much love lost for shefflin.

Soft free maybe but I thought Galway just about deserved the win.

[seafoid]

Great result for Galway. Smashing energy. Who cares about Wexford?

[imtommygunn]

Was that a free?? You fairly had to fight for the ball if you wanted it in that game.

Cody doesn't look like much love lost for shefflin.

Soft free maybe but I thought Galway just about deserved the win.

Yeah they should have won by more.

[Wildweasel74]

G Cody doesn't come across well with that Handshake.

[Saffrongael]

G Cody doesn't come across well with that Handshake.

An absolute bully and bad loser but none of this is new. When you think what Shefflin has been through lately it would have hardly killed him to say "well done"