Time to merge the LGFA and Camogie Association under the GAA umbrella

[tiempo]

... Following a request from The42, the GPA contacted its members to request for players to track their expenses on a weekly basis...

Mens County players off to USA to rake in 5 figure sums for a few weeks social football and holiday, anyone fancy putting a request in to the GPA for 7 lads to divulge the particulars because I'm sure they'd be happy to

If you're not speaking up your part of the problem was the tag line in Feb, funny how "equality" takes a break to facilitate this rampant exploitation

Not doing anything wrong are they?

Coming over to earn money without the requisite visas? Yeah, they probably are. The GAA in the states could put that money to much better use.

Except it's not the GAA's money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of Gaelic Games that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.

Believe it or not, this is not inequality.

Crime pays that's for sure

As long as we all agree on the hypocrisy I don't really give a shit who does what

Roll on Spring 2023 when the great and good emerge again for next round of the sanctamonius bullshit/ego boost

[Baile Brigín 2]

... Following a request from The42, the GPA contacted its members to request for players to track their expenses on a weekly basis...

Mens County players off to USA to rake in 5 figure sums for a few weeks social football and holiday, anyone fancy putting a request in to the GPA for 7 lads to divulge the particulars because I'm sure they'd be happy to

If you're not speaking up your part of the problem was the tag line in Feb, funny how "equality" takes a break to facilitate this rampant exploitation

Not doing anything wrong are they?

Coming over to earn money without the requisite visas? Yeah, they probably are. The GAA in the states could put that money to much better use.

Except it's not the GAA's money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of Gaelic Games that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.

Believe it or not, this is not inequality.

Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.


It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.

[armaghniac]

Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.


It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.

Yet in North America the sports have mechanisms like the draft to moderate the effect of big money in the sport.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.


It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.

Yet in North America the sports have mechanisms like the draft to moderate the effect of big money in the sport.

As may be. But the chap literally described professional sport.

[thewobbler]

Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.


It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.

Yet in North America the sports have mechanisms like the draft to moderate the effect of big money in the sport.

BB - It is a form of professionalism. Except as there's no guarantees and no contracts involved, it's infinitely casual labour than a career. It's really not a whole pile different to our local contractors bringing on students over the summertime, who just happen to be much better at playing football for the same club, than they are at labouring . Would you begrudge that?

Armaghniac - I'm a massive fan of the "socialist" model of ensuring competition in top tier US sport. But when Nike and Pepsi plough 10s of millions into the NFL, it's not so that the money can be redistributed  to other sports, or to the female only version of NFL.

[armaghniac]

BB - It is a form of professionalism. Except as there's no guarantees and no contracts involved, it's infinitely casual labour than a career. It's really not a whole pile different to our local contractors bringing on students over the summertime, who just happen to be much better at playing football for the same club, than they are at labouring . Would you begrudge that?

Armaghniac - I'm a massive fan of the "socialist" model of ensuring competition in top tier US sport. But when Nike and Pepsi plough 10s of millions into the NFL, it's not so that the money can be redistributed  to other sports, or to the female only version of NFL.

I know little enough about the GAA in America, but some draft type rule to stop several itinerant players landing in the same team might make the competitions there a bit more realistic.
As for the LGFA, I would ask people making points about expenses how much revenue they have contributed to that organisation to allow expenses be paid.

[rosnarun]

the biggest fear for Most female team sport is that thy are living way beyond their means  ,
they are starting to have backroom teams and facilities similar In size to men's with little or no income other than through grants or at the grace and favor of the men's version of the games
in GAA in particular with a 32  county model this is not sustainable.
there is already an  out of control backroom team system which many counties are struggling to pay for and now its being replicated twice over in Gaelic games.
then there are facilities as the Ladies game grow the pressure intensifies on clubhouses pitches etc. how many pitches have the camogs or the LGFA created.
Great work has been done in offaly with 2 new sites one for Tullamore and one for county teams 
but i dont see many following.
these are 1st world growing pains but i think they are best solved by 1st the amalgamation of Camogie and ladies football to pressurize the dept. of sport to see if they are really serious about Female sport .
if 490 million can be found for soccerball because of dodgy accounting sure that much and ore could be put to positive use.
they have a much better chance of looking for seperate grant money on their own merits than on the coat tails of the mens game

[Truth hurts]

Why can't the lgfa pay expenses? What do they do with all the money?

[Rossfan]

What money?
Apart from their AI Final Sunday most of their games are virtually spectatorless.

[thewobbler]

Why can't the lgfa pay expenses? What do they do with all the money?

What money?

I would doubt the average LGFA county side has the revenues of a medium sized GAA club.

[Baile Brigín 2]

What money?
Apart from their AI Final Sunday most of their games are virtually spectatorless.

And I doubt RTE are paying big bucks to show the games.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.


It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.

Yet in North America the sports have mechanisms like the draft to moderate the effect of big money in the sport.

BB - It is a form of professionalism. Except as there's no guarantees and no contracts involved, it's infinitely casual labour than a career. It's really not a whole pile different to our local contractors bringing on students over the summertime, who just happen to be much better at playing football for the same club, than they are at labouring . Would you begrudge that?

Armaghniac - I'm a massive fan of the "socialist" model of ensuring competition in top tier US sport. But when Nike and Pepsi plough 10s of millions into the NFL, it's not so that the money can be redistributed  to other sports, or to the female only version of NFL.

Begrudge? Not hugely. If you can cover a summer in Boston kicking a ball at Junior z level good luck to you.

But it's pay for play. Lets have a discussion about semi professionalism if you want, but it's another bit of wink nudge that we could do without. The GAA is either amateur or it's not. Goverment grants and expenses muddy that to a degree that it's effectively gone as a policy. Other than university scholarships nobody on the playing or coaching side should recieve a bean.

[thewobbler]

Except it's not the FAI money. It's a business person's money. And if they wish to spend it on the flavour of soccer club that interests them, then let them at it. If your desire is that they should make donations to a central body who will disperse it evenly among man, woman and child, then they might just look for a different hobby.


It's not inequality. But it's professionalism.

Yet in North America the sports have mechanisms like the draft to moderate the effect of big money in the sport.

BB - It is a form of professionalism. Except as there's no guarantees and no contracts involved, it's infinitely casual labour than a career. It's really not a whole pile different to our local contractors bringing on students over the summertime, who just happen to be much better at playing football for the same club, than they are at labouring . Would you begrudge that?

Armaghniac - I'm a massive fan of the "socialist" model of ensuring competition in top tier US sport. But when Nike and Pepsi plough 10s of millions into the NFL, it's not so that the money can be redistributed  to other sports, or to the female only version of NFL.

Begrudge? Not hugely. If you can cover a summer in Boston kicking a ball at Junior z level good luck to you.

But it's pay for play. Lets have a discussion about semi professionalism if you want, but it's another bit of wink nudge that we could do without. The GAA is either amateur or it's not. Goverment grants and expenses muddy that to a degree that it's effectively gone as a policy. Other than university scholarships nobody on the playing or coaching side should recieve a bean.

They're not receiving it from the GAA. Moan about paid managers all you like (and I'd agree with you) but a wealthy man sponsoring a lad's summer in turn for him playing for his club is not pay for play. Amateur golf has the same distinction.

[thewobbler]

Interested to know how you don't consider it pay for play.

A rich dynasty in Saudi Arabia paying your wages rather than the FA doesn't mean that professional soccer players aren't getting paid to play.

Would you consider casual labour and a career to be the same thing?

I don't.

It's not pay for play any more than a club sponsor in Ireland hooking a student clubmate up with a cushy job for the summer. It's really not.

[Rossfan]

Total hypocrisy having an "amateur ethos" and allowing this semi professional circus every Summer.
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