Time to merge the LGFA and Camogie Association under the GAA umbrella

[seafoid]

These organisations do not have the funds to provide the same resources to players and the GAA will be reluctant to merge on the basis that this will then see funds redirected, it would be a bit like Irish unity. However, the ladies' associations should have helped themselves by making their season a bit different from the compressed GAA season, if they had games in September then TV would cover them, the media would mention them and more people would go to them.
Armagh ladies had a good win at the weekend but few noticed, in August they might get more attention.

They are merging and it wouldn't be hard to organise sponsorship to meet the demands of the players until the merger is consummated.
They deserve mileage expenses and gear and whatever medical costs are not insured.

How much would the take be at Croke Park from a 30K attendance for a camogie final on a marginal use basis ?
There are loads of ways to fund them.

[thewobbler]

It drives me mad that people who choose to take their hobby seriously, expect other people to fund their commitment levels.

Already piggybacking for free on the facilities provided by male sport, they have some neck to expect money too. The  lack of self awareness is extraordinary.

[Louther]

You can't spend what isn't been generated. Smells of the GPA who have no row to pick with the GAA as there isn't any issues at inter county level forcing this as their new pet project.

Administration at LGFA level has been poor in the past at national and county level but there seems to be a want on a lot of county squads without them actually realising what's involved and what they have at their disposal.

[cup1000]

Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?

[Derryman forever]

Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?

You're a Tory aren't you.
Better to have the  peasants blame each other for their poverty , than ask the rich to share a little.

[Taylor]

Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?

Are you asking the men to lose out on money, even though they generate the lions share of the revenue?

[Derryman forever]

Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?

Are you asking the men to lose out on money, even though they generate the lions share of the revenue?

And on cue!

[cup1000]

Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?

You're a Tory aren't you.
Better to have the  peasants blame each other for their poverty , than ask the rich to share a little.

I was making an honest suggestion, no need for the name-calling like, very childish.

There's been multiple posts here saying the GAA can't afford it, i just thought my suggestion above might be a possible solution.

[cup1000]

Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?

Are you asking the men to lose out on money, even though they generate the lions share of the revenue?

If it mean's achieving the equality demanded for by their reps in the GPA (and presuming, as has been suggested here, that the GAA couldn't afford to pay out the current mileage rate amounts to ladies as they do men's), then yes. Regarding the generation of revenue, the GAA already funds loads of stuff that doesn't (at least that I know of) make much money for them e.g. scor, handball, rounders, health and wellbeing initiatives, irish language initiatives etc

[thewobbler]

The GAA both should and does financially support a plethora of lesser-known functions.

But here's the numbers we are dealing with:

A squad of 40 players travelling an average of 25 miles / 40kms  each way to training would bring in a mileage bill of circa €1k per night. Feed all those players and it's at least another €2k.

Extrapolate that €3k per night across 32 counties and 2 codes, and we are pretty much looking at finding €200k a night for expenses if committed to "complete equality" for camogie and LGFA . Or the best part of €10m a year.

Tally it all up and it's running close to a financial commitment 8 figures of expenses per annum.

This is not why the Association was created. The GaA was not created so people could demand payment.. Bad enough as it is happening in the men's game, at least they generate an income to cover the outgoing. But ladies? No.  Not even remotely close.

[Cavan19]

The GAA both should and does financially support a plethora of lesser-known functions.

But here's the numbers we are dealing with:

A squad of 40 players travelling an average of 25 miles / 40kms  each way to training would bring in a mileage bill of circa €1k per night. Feed all those players and it's at least another €2k.

Extrapolate that €3k per night across 32 counties and 2 codes, and we are pretty much looking at finding €200k a night for expenses if committed to "complete equality" for camogie and LGFA . Or the best part of €10m a year.

Tally it all up and it's running close to a financial commitment 8 figures of expenses per annum.

This is not why the Association was created. The GaA was not created so people could demand payment.. Bad enough as it is happening in the men's game, at least they generate an income to cover the outgoing. But ladies? No.  Not even remotely close.

The ladies should be living within their means and if the money isn't there for all they want they need to cut back on panel numbers and training sessions etc.  Some of them see the men doing and getting x,y & z and they want the same. The ladies game will never have the same profile as the mens games or generate enough income to cover all they want. As i seen somewhere before its the general ladies population of the country who are letting down the Ladies game by not supporting it.

[Derryman forever]

Would cutting the mens mileage rate per KM say by a quarter or a third and then allowing ladies to claim the same rate work? That way both sets of intercounty players would be able to get mileage and might be more affordable for the GAA?

You're a Tory aren't you.
Better to have the  peasants blame each other for their poverty , than ask the rich to share a little.

I was making an honest suggestion, no need for the name-calling like, very childish.

There's been multiple posts here saying the GAA can't afford it, i just thought my suggestion above might be a possible solution.

That was obviously a tongue in cheek remark.
You really shouldn't be taking offence at that.

[johnnycool]

LGFA & Camogie players to play 'under protest' over lack of support | Full press conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e-P7PVeHfQ

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/19/camogie-and-ladies-football-panels-unite-against-being-treated-as-second-class-citizens/

Intercounty camogie and football panels will play out the remainder of their 2023 Championship campaigns under protest.
The development follows the release of the State of Play Report in April which called for, among other things, governing bodies to develop a charter designed for female players to be implemented in the 2024 season.

In a statement released this morning and signed off by the "senior intercounty ladies football and camogie panels", it was claimed that, "Despite initial positive indications, the GAA has since declined our proposal. The Camogie Association, however, did request a presentation to be made to their Ard Chomhairle, which took place last week. Regrettably, the LGFA has not deemed it appropriate to respond.

"Their primary rationale is that they prefer to complete the integration process before initiating a charter for female players. Despite the evidence presented, they expect us to patiently endure the treatment of second-class citizens."

At this point in time the GAA has no input into how Ladies footballers and Camogs are treated, that's purely down to their respective associations.

Tom Parsons is wrong to suggest otherwise and if anything could undermine attempts to align all organisations under the one umbrella.

[trailer]

This is not a men v women issue and to portray it as such is unfair. This is about being a better association for all. Expenses allow all players to achieve their potential instead of just those who can afford it. Lets be better than just say "oh nobody watches Ladies GAA or Camogie". It's not a professional sport and therefore the revenue generated is irrelevant. Keep that argument for soccer or another sport that is ruled by money. Our ethos is community, volunteerism, respect, inclusiveness.
Women and Girls have enriched our local club so much, from on pitch success to fundraisers and lots in between. I remember when I first played we'd no ladies teams at all. It was a cold house for women and now our committee has women at all levels and that has made us a far, far better club.
And as a Father of a young girl the values of the GAA are exactly the values that I want to her to have. So I wouldn't want her to grow up and be part of an association and were Men, who call themselves GAA men, reject inclusiveness and respect.

So lets try and do better. Here's a wee refresher for everyone... https://www.gaa.ie/the-gaa/administration/

[thewobbler]

There's a wonderful conundrum in your line about it not being a professional sport Trailer.

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Tell me something. Just how much of a hike in men's football ticket prices would you be willing to stomach, to allow the female sports to enjoy the same levels of expenses?

For example, would you be okay with £30 for a league game?

And at what point would you start objecting to directly paying for people in another sport to play their hobbies? Is there one.