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Title: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general_lee on November 14, 2021, 07:32:36 PM
Prelim. St Eunanís (Donegal) v Watty Grahamís (Derry) 21st Nov.

QFs
Dromore (Tyrone) v Derrygonnelly/Enniskillen Gaels (Fermanagh) 4th Dec.
Ramor Utd (Cavan) v Kilcoo (Down)
Creggan (Antrim) v Clann …ireann (Armagh) Sunday 5th Dec.
Scotstown (Monaghan) v Prelim. Winner

Watched the Armagh final today, very entertaining affair. First half was cagey enough with both teams making sloppy mistakes with Cross first to make an impression. As the game wore on CE got back into it and the teams were level at 0-5 each at ht. The second half saw Cross hit 0-6 without reply before a hell of a comeback from CE with two inspired substitutions and one absolute howler of a goal.

CE make their first foray into Ulster at this level against a Creggan side in a similar situation. Iíd have that game at 50/50, probably depend on which team sobers up first. Either side would fancy their chances through the ďweakerĒ side of the draw.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 14, 2021, 08:25:34 PM
Derrygonnely will be the experienced side on that half
( if they make it ofcourse)
Dromore will fancy their chances of changing tyrones fortunes in the ulster club scene
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: the goal was on on November 14, 2021, 08:28:52 PM
Itís looking very lopsided now!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on November 14, 2021, 08:53:39 PM
Outright winner odds from paddy power

Glen 2/1
Kilcoo 11/4
Dromore 4/1
Scotstown 5/1
Clann Eireann 12/1
St Eunans 18/1
Derrygonnelly 20/1
Creggan 20/1
Ramor United 25/1

Glen short enough odds, thought kilcoo would've been favourites just on experience alone.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: LeoMc on November 14, 2021, 08:54:56 PM
Itís looking very lopsided now!
What are the semifinal pairings?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on November 14, 2021, 09:07:42 PM
Itís looking very lopsided now!
What are the semifinal pairings?
Dromore/ Derrygonnelly/ Enniskillen Gaels v Creggan/ Clann Eireann

Kilcoo/ Ramor United v Scotstown/ Glen / St Eunans
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Truth hurts on November 16, 2021, 08:58:28 AM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2021, 09:29:12 AM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

A Tyrone team in the final? get good odds for that
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: LeoMc on November 16, 2021, 09:31:05 AM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

A Tyrone team in the final? get good odds for that
They have the experience of winning Ulster u21ís, a good mix of experience and youth and the handy side of the draw.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2021, 09:35:52 AM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

A Tyrone team in the final? get good odds for that
They have the experience of winning Ulster u21ís, a good mix of experience and youth and the handy side of the draw.

On that note Glen should walk it, they had won 4 Ulster minors in a row with that bunch...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on November 16, 2021, 09:43:30 AM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

A Tyrone team in the final? get good odds for that
They have the experience of winning Ulster u21ís, a good mix of experience and youth and the handy side of the draw.

Just out of interest, what makes it the handy side of the draw?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Truth hurts on November 16, 2021, 09:46:33 AM
Is Tyrone not the best championship in Ireland? Creating more buzz than the FIFA world cup, surely they are favourites?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2021, 09:51:15 AM
Is Tyrone not the best championship in Ireland? Creating more buzz than the FIFA world cup, surely they are favourites?

Apparently it is but I've yet to see any evidence of that, has a senior club team from Tyrone even got to Croke park?

In fairness they have quality players but because the championship (straight knockout so limited games) is so intense they are fecked afterwards
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on November 16, 2021, 10:37:51 AM
Very lopsided draw this year and I think the winners will come from the tough section. There is a big chance for an unfancied side to make the final.

Glen are ridiculously short odds given the fact that this is their first Ulster campaign and they will have 4 difficult games to face on their way to winning it. St Eunan's, Scotstown, Kilcoo and Dromore are their likely opponents. Whether they can live up to the hype remains to be seen but they probably have the best manager in this competition which is a big advantage at this level. I do think it will boil down to a battle between Glen and kilcoo to find the winners. At this stage I would go for Kilcoos experience to win out, they have some unfinished business to complete. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: FermGael on November 16, 2021, 11:12:04 AM
Is Tyrone not the best championship in Ireland? Creating more buzz than the FIFA world cup, surely they are favourites?

Apparently it is but I've yet to see any evidence of that, has a senior club team from Tyrone even got to Croke park?

In fairness they have quality players but because the championship (straight knockout so limited games) is so intense they are fecked afterwards

Well that excuse doesn't exist this year.
They have 3 weeks and the Fermanagh final is this weekend so that's wee buns for them .
They then play the winners of the Antrim v Armagh game and they are both basically first time winners.
So they will be well rested for the final and they will probably play a team who has had at least 2 very tough games .
Dromore's to lose.
After all it's the best club championship in Ireland
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: BennyCake on November 16, 2021, 11:25:11 AM
Whoís in The Fermanagh final?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 16, 2021, 11:33:34 AM
Whoís in The Fermanagh final?

Derrygonnelly and Enniskillen
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 16, 2021, 11:35:28 AM
If Derrygonnely get through they're an experienced outfit in ulster
Wont be a pushover
Remember it isn't Fermanagh v tyrone county teams
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2021, 11:37:33 AM
If Derrygonnely get through they're an experienced outfit in ulster
Wont be a pushover
Remember it isn't Fermanagh v tyrone county teams

Tyrone club winners were knocked out by Derrygonnely last time.. though I can't remember the Tyrone winners at the time
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Silver hill on November 16, 2021, 11:39:16 AM
Was it Trillick, on penalties?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2021, 11:43:06 AM
Was it Trillick, on penalties?

Yes, think Trillick only managed one or two
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on November 16, 2021, 11:52:37 AM
Derrygonnelly really should have beaten kilcoo in the Ulster final in 2019, they missed an awful lot of chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on November 16, 2021, 12:00:54 PM
Derrygonnelly wonít be easy beat, theyíve got plenty of experience being in Ulster. Clann Eireann could cause a few shocks as well if they pull together for Ulster, some serious talent in that side.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Silver hill on November 16, 2021, 12:19:44 PM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

Just to be clear, Moran played for Glen until the 80s.
He has never managed his own club senior team.
Pedantic possibly by me, but just wanted to clarify in case anyone wrongly thinks he might possibly be taking a team he currently manages against one that he managed previously.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on November 16, 2021, 12:37:35 PM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

Just to be clear, Moran played for Glen until the 80s.
He has never managed his own club senior team.
Pedantic possibly by me, but just wanted to clarify in case anyone wrongly thinks he might possibly be taking a team he currently manages against one that he managed previously.

That's hard to believe that a manager as travelled as Mickey Moran has never managed his own club side.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: LeoMc on November 16, 2021, 12:40:08 PM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

A Tyrone team in the final? get good odds for that
They have the experience of winning Ulster u21ís, a good mix of experience and youth and the handy side of the draw.

Just out of interest, what makes it the handy side of the draw?

Ask Paddy Power
Dromore 4/1
Clann Eireann 12/1
Derrygonnelly 20/1
Creggan 20/1

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: LeoMc on November 16, 2021, 12:42:33 PM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

A Tyrone team in the final? get good odds for that
They have the experience of winning Ulster u21ís, a good mix of experience and youth and the handy side of the draw.

On that note Glen should walk it, they had won 4 Ulster minors in a row with that bunch...
They are the favourites!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fionntamhnach on November 16, 2021, 01:37:50 PM
Outright winner odds from paddy power

Glen 2/1
Kilcoo 11/4
Dromore 4/1
Scotstown 5/1
Clann Eireann 12/1
St Eunans 18/1
Derrygonnelly 20/1
Creggan 20/1
Ramor United 25/1

Glen short enough odds, thought kilcoo would've been favourites just on experience alone.

Short enough odds for Dromore as well, given the general performance of Tyrone clubs (bar Errigal Ciaran) and Dromore themselves in this tournament in the past. I suspect it's similar to the case of Tyrone often for a long time now getting short starting odds for the All-Ireland SFC even when it was hard to generally justify.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 16, 2021, 01:44:36 PM
Very lopsided draw this year and I think the winners will come from the tough section. There is a big chance for an unfancied side to make the final.

Glen are ridiculously short odds given the fact that this is their first Ulster campaign and they will have 4 difficult games to face on their way to winning it. St Eunan's, Scotstown, Kilcoo and Dromore are their likely opponents. Whether they can live up to the hype remains to be seen but they probably have the best manager in this competition which is a big advantage at this level. I do think it will boil down to a battle between Glen and kilcoo to find the winners. At this stage I would go for Kilcoos experience to win out, they have some unfinished business to complete.

Agreed. No idea why we are favourites. It takes many teams a few goes to get used to the rigours of Ulster club. We'll be doing well to beat Letterkenny.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Silver hill on November 16, 2021, 02:09:33 PM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

Just to be clear, Moran played for Glen until the 80s.
He has never managed his own club senior team.
Pedantic possibly by me, but just wanted to clarify in case anyone wrongly thinks he might possibly be taking a team he currently manages against one that he managed previously.

That's hard to believe that a manager as travelled as Mickey Moran has never managed his own club side.


I know. Easily enough explained though I think in the fact that the financial reimbursement available when you manage your own club team should be negligible.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on November 16, 2021, 02:58:15 PM
So you're not  fan then...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Estimator on November 16, 2021, 03:14:21 PM
So you're not  fan then...
Silver Hill's views on Mickey Moran was the catalyst for the original Derry Club Football & Hurling Thread being locked, and a new one had to be created.
If you have a look at the last few pages of that, his opinion on MM's relationship with Glen will be abundantly clear.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: J70 on November 16, 2021, 03:57:03 PM
Eunan's are a young team, but good footballers all around. Not too many big county stars either (yet), although Patton in goal should be a big weapon for them, while Niall O'Donnell had a very good Ulster Championship for Donegal this year and you'd expect him to become a star for Donegal going forward. One or two more squad players like Caolan Ward. And of course Rory Kavanagh managing them.

They were raging underdogs against Glenties, so not sure how motivated they'll be to give Ulster a rattle, especially as you'd fancy them to win a few more county titles in the coming years.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Silver hill on November 16, 2021, 04:07:06 PM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

A Tyrone team in the final? get good odds for that
They have the experience of winning Ulster u21ís, a good mix of experience and youth and the handy side of the draw.

Just out of interest, what makes it the handy side of the draw?

Maybe handy is the wrong word but with cross and Cargin out, that maybe leaves that side with a perception that itís the easier route.
For Eunanís or glen to win it this year, theyíll need to scalp scotstown and kilcoo on the way. Both of those have serious pedigree recently in the competition. Thatís not to say creggan and clann eireann couldnít or wouldnít fancy their chances against any of the teams left.
Dromore will also think they can go on a run
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: JoG2 on November 16, 2021, 05:26:03 PM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

Just to be clear, Moran played for Glen until the 80s.
He has never managed his own club senior team.
Pedantic possibly by me, but just wanted to clarify in case anyone wrongly thinks he might possibly be taking a team he currently manages against one that he managed previously.

That's hard to believe that a manager as travelled as Mickey Moran has never managed his own club side.


I know. Easily enough explained though I think in the fact that the financial reimbursement available when you manage your own club team should be negligible.

Kilcoo, Slaughtneil, Creggan, Kilrea, Omagh, Poly, Sligo, Donegal, Mayo, Leitrim, over 30 years, but never his hometown club.....some rainy day fund
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Silver hill on November 16, 2021, 07:59:33 PM
So you're not  fan then...
Silver Hill's views on Mickey Moran was the catalyst for the original Derry Club Football & Hurling Thread being locked, and a new one had to be created.
If you have a look at the last few pages of that, his opinion on MM's relationship with Glen will be abundantly clear.

ÖÖ.and?
Please highlight anything Iíve said that is incorrect?
Simply pointing out the fact that heís never managed his own club over a 40 year span.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 16, 2021, 08:15:23 PM
What will the admission be for these games ?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Estimator on November 16, 2021, 09:08:00 PM
So you're not  fan then...
Silver Hill's views on Mickey Moran was the catalyst for the original Derry Club Football & Hurling Thread being locked, and a new one had to be created.
If you have a look at the last few pages of that, his opinion on MM's relationship with Glen will be abundantly clear.

ÖÖ.and?
Please highlight anything Iíve said that is incorrect?
Simply pointing out the fact that heís never managed his own club over a 40 year span.

Nothing at all, just giving a little more background to your opinion on the man.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: JoG2 on November 16, 2021, 09:12:41 PM
Very lopsided draw this year and I think the winners will come from the tough section. There is a big chance for an unfancied side to make the final.

Glen are ridiculously short odds given the fact that this is their first Ulster campaign and they will have 4 difficult games to face on their way to winning it. St Eunan's, Scotstown, Kilcoo and Dromore are their likely opponents. Whether they can live up to the hype remains to be seen but they probably have the best manager in this competition which is a big advantage at this level. I do think it will boil down to a battle between Glen and kilcoo to find the winners. At this stage I would go for Kilcoos experience to win out, they have some unfinished business to complete.

Agreed. No idea why we are favourites. It takes many teams a few goes to get used to the rigours of Ulster club. We'll be doing well to beat Letterkenny.

Walter, really looking forward to seeing Glen in Ulster, I'd say there is some buzz about the club. In McFaul and Glass you have the 2 standouts in this year's championship. Serious drive and I don't think over celebrating or looking beyond St Eunans will be an issue with those type of players at your core. Pity the game isn't being televised
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Silver hill on November 16, 2021, 09:16:00 PM
So you're not  fan then...
Silver Hill's views on Mickey Moran was the catalyst for the original Derry Club Football & Hurling Thread being locked, and a new one had to be created.
If you have a look at the last few pages of that, his opinion on MM's relationship with Glen will be abundantly clear.

ÖÖ.and?
Please highlight anything Iíve said that is incorrect?
Simply pointing out the fact that heís never managed his own club over a 40 year span.

Nothing at all, just giving a little more background to your opinion on the man.

Itís irrelevant.
Heís never managed Glen seniors. Thatís a fact. No interpretation or background context required.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Estimator on November 16, 2021, 09:18:09 PM
What will the admission be for these games ?
https://ulster.gaa.ie/ulsterclub2021/buy-tickets/#senior_fb_tickets
Ä12 Adults and Ä3 for under 16s
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2021, 09:50:03 PM
Why would it not be televised? Some county will do it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Centre3Quarters on November 17, 2021, 10:30:20 AM
Just to clarify, no matter how irrelevant it may be at this stage as it was over 10 years ago BUT Micky Moran did in fact manage Glen seniors.
The only surviving player from the current panel would be 'keeper Connlan Bradley, then a teenage forward.
Micky stepped in when the then managers stepped away and saved Glen from relegation.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Truth hurts on November 17, 2021, 01:48:21 PM
Anyone hear any rumour of restrictions and changes to gaa over winter?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Kickham csc on November 17, 2021, 03:13:15 PM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

Just to be clear, Moran played for Glen until the 80s.
He has never managed his own club senior team.
Pedantic possibly by me, but just wanted to clarify in case anyone wrongly thinks he might possibly be taking a team he currently manages against one that he managed previously.

That's hard to believe that a manager as travelled as Mickey Moran has never managed his own club side.


I know. Easily enough explained though I think in the fact that the financial reimbursement available when you manage your own club team should be negligible.

Kilcoo, Slaughtneil, Creggan, Kilrea, Omagh, Poly, Sligo, Donegal, Mayo, Leitrim, over 30 years, but never his hometown club.....some rainy day fund

Mickey has strong family connections with Creggan, so reimbursement from our club was based on innuendo and not facts.

In fact he was in the club enjoying the celebrations on Sunday night with his family
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Silver hill on November 17, 2021, 08:01:06 PM
Just to clarify, no matter how irrelevant it may be at this stage as it was over 10 years ago BUT Micky Moran did in fact manage Glen seniors.
The only surviving player from the current panel would be 'keeper Connlan Bradley, then a teenage forward.
Micky stepped in when the then managers stepped away and saved Glen from relegation.


In your head, If you want to call, being one of a group of 7 who were there for 5 games, as actually managing your clubís senior team, then knock yourself out.
Talk about clutching at straws.  ::)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: rrhf on November 17, 2021, 11:21:20 PM
Kilcoo Dromore final, god help the referee and stewards, McIvor back against his old team. Moran could also be paired against his old team of Maghera.

Just to be clear, Moran played for Glen until the 80s.
He has never managed his own club senior team.
Pedantic possibly by me, but just wanted to clarify in case anyone wrongly thinks he might possibly be taking a team he currently manages against one that he managed previously.

That's hard to believe that a manager as travelled as Mickey Moran has never managed his own club side.


I know. Easily enough explained though I think in the fact that the financial reimbursement available when you manage your own club team should be negligible.
or a prophet is never appreciated in his own land etc...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Centre3Quarters on November 18, 2021, 10:48:48 AM
In your head, If you want to call, being one of a group of 7 who were there for 5 games, as actually managing your clubís senior team, then knock yourself out.
Talk about clutching at straws.  ::)
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Glen and Micky have both moved on...
Micky made himself available the following year on a part time basis until Leitrim were knocked out then taking over full time, this offer was turned down with Gormleys influence at committee level. Gormley then went and got Culbert.
Later Micky had an offer from Slaughtneil to which Glen got wind of and offered him the insult of an interview for the senior post.
It is often glossed over the fact Gormley walked out on Glen seniors after an incident with players in an end of season u21 game, it was later discovered he had already accepted an offer to take Galbally.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Silver hill on November 18, 2021, 03:42:20 PM
In your head, If you want to call, being one of a group of 7 who were there for 5 games, as actually managing your clubís senior team, then knock yourself out.
Talk about clutching at straws.  ::)

Glen and Micky have both moved on...
Micky made himself available the following year on a part time basis until Leitrim were knocked out then taking over full time, this offer was turned down with Gormleys influence at committee level. Gormley then went and got Culbert.
Later Micky had an offer from Slaughtneil to which Glen got wind of and offered him the insult of an interview for the senior post.
It is often glossed over the fact Gormley walked out on Glen seniors after an incident with players in an end of season u21 game, it was later discovered he had already accepted an offer to take Galbally.
[/quote]

Not going to get into a he said she said and you can rose tint it whatever way you want to,but the original point I made stands, Moran has not managed his home club.
The club moved on and thankfully we got the just rewards of everyone elseís collective effort.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Centre3Quarters on November 18, 2021, 04:10:59 PM
Exactly... all in the past and a new chapter has begun.
Hopefully take a real charge at this Ulster competition.
If we can put the same pressure on Pattons kick outs as we did on Slaughtneils we will be half way there. I expect the older of the Mulholland bros to feature more this weekend and possibly big McDevitt as well as the pitches get heavier and lads start to feel it earlier in games.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Kickham csc on November 18, 2021, 04:37:50 PM
In your head, If you want to call, being one of a group of 7 who were there for 5 games, as actually managing your clubís senior team, then knock yourself out.
Talk about clutching at straws.  ::)

Glen and Micky have both moved on...
Micky made himself available the following year on a part time basis until Leitrim were knocked out then taking over full time, this offer was turned down with Gormleys influence at committee level. Gormley then went and got Culbert.
Later Micky had an offer from Slaughtneil to which Glen got wind of and offered him the insult of an interview for the senior post.
It is often glossed over the fact Gormley walked out on Glen seniors after an incident with players in an end of season u21 game, it was later discovered he had already accepted an offer to take Galbally.

Not going to get into a he said she said and you can rose tint it whatever way you want to,but the original point I made stands, Moran has not managed his home club.
The club moved on and thankfully we got the just rewards of everyone elseís collective effort.
[/quote]

OK, so to be clear;
Micky did make himself available and Glen turned him down, and then he got offered to lead Slaughtneil.
Gormley played a big part in blocking Mickey for the role and then took umbrage at him managing Slaughtneil.
But Gormley has successfully painted Mickey as the bad guy (going by the confrontation on the sideline in a previous match)

Could this not be a case of Gormley's past falling out due to the Coleman - County board issue resurfacing and him using his influence in Glen to keep Moran out?

Also heard previously that some of the calls that Moran received during the Coleman - County board issue were close to criminal
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Centre3Quarters on November 18, 2021, 05:03:25 PM
Basically a County issue was allowed to become a club issue, this should never have happened and egos should have been left at Owenbeg for the betterment of Glen!
House is in order now and we move forward!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Kickham csc on November 18, 2021, 05:41:41 PM
Basically a County issue was allowed to become a club issue, this should never have happened and egos should have been left at Owenbeg for the betterment of Glen!
House is in order now and we move forward!

Is Moran considered in the fold?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: rrhf on November 19, 2021, 03:56:38 PM
He reorganised the club in advance of their youth successes did he not.  It takes all hands.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Silver hill on November 19, 2021, 05:32:29 PM
He reorganised the club in advance of their youth successes did he not.  It takes all hands.

Incorrect.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on November 19, 2021, 07:53:15 PM
Thread is Ulster Club SFC 2021.

Get back on topic, please.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 19, 2021, 08:19:42 PM
Big Mod5 pushin his weight about tonite hi

Hon Derry
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: JoG2 on November 19, 2021, 08:31:15 PM
Ulster Council website showing Sunday's game from Letterkenny I hear
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 19, 2021, 09:18:19 PM
Ulster Council website showing Sunday's game from Letterkenny I hear

Glen by 8
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2021, 09:25:26 PM
Ulster Council website showing Sunday's game from Letterkenny I hear

Glen by 8

8? At this stage we are looking at max 3 point wins, which is considerable at this stage of the year
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on November 19, 2021, 09:28:36 PM
It really is an interesting one. Could go any way. I think glen will win but Donegal not easy won so letterkenny might have a sting in them.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: North Man on November 19, 2021, 10:07:21 PM
Very impressed with Glen
Exceptional team and management.
I believe this will be their acid test.
Eunanís will not want a highly rated outfit come into their back yard to to make wee boys of them.
This has the making of a dour show
If Glen come out of Letterkenny I think they will be the team to beat in Ulster
If it Euanís, they head to Monaghan, a completely different show.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 19, 2021, 11:13:34 PM
Ulster Council website showing Sunday's game from Letterkenny I hear

Glen by 8

8? At this stage we are looking at max 3 point wins, which is considerable at this stage of the year

Yeah 8. Glad to be proven wrong
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2021, 11:15:38 PM
Ulster Council website showing Sunday's game from Letterkenny I hear

Glen by 8

8? At this stage we are looking at max 3 point wins, which is considerable at this stage of the year

Yeah 8. Glad to be proven wrong
Thereís no fun if your wrong! Unable to take the piss
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 19, 2021, 11:17:13 PM
Ulster Council website showing Sunday's game from Letterkenny I hear

Glen by 8

8? At this stage we are looking at max 3 point wins, which is considerable at this stage of the year

Yeah 8. Glad to be proven wrong
Thereís no fun if your wrong! Unable to take the piss
Lol
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 20, 2021, 12:27:05 AM
Been on the periphery last 2/3yrs. Glass coming back and O'Rourke as manager along with a maturing team and a slightly declining Slaughtneil team has resulted in a team beating allcomers and beating them well. Ulster will be interesting
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 20, 2021, 12:31:18 AM
Glen for me too.  Top team. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: bennydorano on November 20, 2021, 10:36:36 AM
£10 on Ulster Gaa TV (which isn't too bad tbf) but the way this seems to be playing out- TG4 Sundays are going to be a thing of the past pretty soon.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 20, 2021, 10:42:51 AM
Lookin that way Benny. Esp up here.

I mite buy it just so i can complain about the quality after 😉😃
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Centre3Quarters on November 20, 2021, 06:00:35 PM
Odds shortening on St. Eunanís as a couple of Glen starters not due out of isolation until Monday!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: BennyCake on November 20, 2021, 07:19:24 PM
£10 on Ulster Gaa TV (which isn't too bad tbf) but the way this seems to be playing out- TG4 Sundays are going to be a thing of the past pretty soon.

Thereís an Ulster GAA TV?  :o
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Silver hill on November 20, 2021, 09:46:09 PM
Odds shortening on St. Eunanís as a couple of Glen starters not due out of isolation until Monday!

Tout.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: armaghniac on November 20, 2021, 11:25:18 PM
Thereís an Ulster GAA TV?  :o

Yes, they were donated a Sony Trinitron for winning 5 railway cups in a row.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on November 21, 2021, 01:47:28 PM
1 0 glen after 15 minutes. Must be some match...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Mikhailov on November 21, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
1 0 glen after 15 minutes. Must be some match...

Football not good, ulster GAA stream not good either. FFS
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on November 21, 2021, 02:03:34 PM
Was about to post that. Brutal.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: JoG2 on November 21, 2021, 02:11:00 PM
1 0 glen after 15 minutes. Must be some match...

Football not good, ulster GAA stream not good either. FFS

Yeah, the stream is almost as bad as the game. From the foul on the big no 3 being blown, the keeper dandering up, deciding to clean his studs before shooting, 2 1/5 mins had passed, a real highlight of that half!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 21, 2021, 02:28:06 PM
I thought Jim McGuinness style of fball had disappeared, all alive and well up in Donegal. Shocking stuff.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2021, 02:46:42 PM
Is it two Donegal teams?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 21, 2021, 02:55:41 PM
They the one with 15 men behind the ball inside their own half encase you can't tell the teams apart Milltown.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 21, 2021, 03:00:51 PM
Thats Milltown back in his box 🤓

For a couple of minutes anyway....
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 21, 2021, 03:04:24 PM
Glen weren't good today but the Donegal team didn't come to play fball, not like Kilcar or Gweedore a few years back. A Goal cushion early on in such a defensive game nearly won the game.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: clarshack on November 21, 2021, 03:34:53 PM
Was about to post that. Brutal.
Dublin game even worse.

Brutal. None of the players seem to want to take a shot.

0-0 to 0-0 at water break (21 mins)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2021, 03:58:59 PM
Ulster Council website showing Sunday's game from Letterkenny I hear

Glen by 8

8? At this stage we are looking at max 3 point wins, which is considerable at this stage of the year

Yeah 8. Glad to be proven wrong

8 points or an 8 point win?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Mikhailov on November 21, 2021, 04:08:01 PM
They the one with 15 men behind the ball inside their own half encase you can't tell the teams apart Milltown.

Glen were no angels when it came to defensive play either. Everyone behind the ball the whole first half and only looked decent when they had to press and chase the game. In fairness, Winter football is totally different and Glen will come on a lot as a result if this win. A very dour game, but Glen wonít worry about that. Scotstown in CP next day out
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: JoG2 on November 21, 2021, 04:13:33 PM
Huge win for Glen. Great reaction to the missed penalty to get their noses in front in the home straight
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2021, 05:10:32 PM
Fermanagh championship winners Derrygonnelly will be up against it when they meet the Tyrone lads!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: skeog on November 21, 2021, 05:14:13 PM
Dromore will be heavy favourites going on present form.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2021, 05:16:53 PM
Dromore will be heavy favourites going on present form.
Present form in Ulster? Right, howíd they do last time?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on November 26, 2021, 01:28:45 PM
Just get the feeling that Kilcoo have a lot more in the bag. Seemed to stutter through Down Championship. Seasoned Ulster veterans and that has got to count for something even if a few of their players are probably past their prime.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2021, 01:36:49 PM
Just get the feeling that Kilcoo have a lot more in the bag. Seemed to stutter through Down Championship. Seasoned Ulster veterans and that has got to count for something even if a few of their players are probably past their prime.

Referee'd them a couple of seasons ago at the Uni, christ they were a fast moving team, inter play and movement off the ball was pretty good, plenty players that came on also and fitted in well with their system. They might get it tighter in their own county, teams are getting wise and they are getting older so its no surprise that its tough in your own championship.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on November 26, 2021, 02:06:17 PM
Just get the feeling that Kilcoo have a lot more in the bag. Seemed to stutter through Down Championship. Seasoned Ulster veterans and that has got to count for something even if a few of their players are probably past their prime.

Referee'd them a couple of seasons ago at the Uni, christ they were a fast moving team, inter play and movement off the ball was pretty good, plenty players that came on also and fitted in well with their system. They might get it tighter in their own county, teams are getting wise and they are getting older so its no surprise that its tough in your own championship.

You could well be right.
I just get the feeling they are timing their peak for this ulster championship rather than the Down championship. It they did it was a dangerous tactic as they nearly got caught out a few times.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Truth hurts on November 26, 2021, 02:08:12 PM
Carryduff , Mayobridge , Clonduff and Burren were close to beating Kilcoo but they did not. They are the ultimate grinders, I cant see anyone touching them.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2021, 02:22:39 PM
Just get the feeling that Kilcoo have a lot more in the bag. Seemed to stutter through Down Championship. Seasoned Ulster veterans and that has got to count for something even if a few of their players are probably past their prime.

Referee'd them a couple of seasons ago at the Uni, christ they were a fast moving team, inter play and movement off the ball was pretty good, plenty players that came on also and fitted in well with their system. They might get it tighter in their own county, teams are getting wise and they are getting older so its no surprise that its tough in your own championship.

You could well be right.
I just get the feeling they are timing their peak for this ulster championship rather than the Down championship. It they did it was a dangerous tactic as they nearly got caught out a few times.

We'd have done that in our pump, but as you say, one bad performance and you've egg on your face, what struck me about them, they aint the biggest side, I mean physically I've seen bigger teams, but lighting pace makes up for it. They aint shy in throwing it about either, nothing wrong with that too
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general_lee on November 26, 2021, 02:38:58 PM
They aint shy in throwing it about either, nothing wrong with that too
Thatís an understatement  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on November 26, 2021, 02:49:18 PM
Just get the feeling that Kilcoo have a lot more in the bag. Seemed to stutter through Down Championship. Seasoned Ulster veterans and that has got to count for something even if a few of their players are probably past their prime.

Referee'd them a couple of seasons ago at the Uni, christ they were a fast moving team, inter play and movement off the ball was pretty good, plenty players that came on also and fitted in well with their system. They might get it tighter in their own county, teams are getting wise and they are getting older so its no surprise that its tough in your own championship.

You could well be right.
I just get the feeling they are timing their peak for this ulster championship rather than the Down championship. It they did it was a dangerous tactic as they nearly got caught out a few times.

We'd have done that in our pump, but as you say, one bad performance and you've egg on your face, what struck me about them, they aint the biggest side, I mean physically I've seen bigger teams, but lighting pace makes up for it. They aint shy in throwing it about either, nothing wrong with that too

Within reason. As a neutral from another county who knew nothing about them before seeing them on tv I don't like them at all and prefer to see them beat...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on November 26, 2021, 02:49:32 PM
Just get the feeling that Kilcoo have a lot more in the bag. Seemed to stutter through Down Championship. Seasoned Ulster veterans and that has got to count for something even if a few of their players are probably past their prime.

Referee'd them a couple of seasons ago at the Uni, christ they were a fast moving team, inter play and movement off the ball was pretty good, plenty players that came on also and fitted in well with their system. They might get it tighter in their own county, teams are getting wise and they are getting older so its no surprise that its tough in your own championship.

You could well be right.
I just get the feeling they are timing their peak for this ulster championship rather than the Down championship. It they did it was a dangerous tactic as they nearly got caught out a few times.
Yeah a bit like the old Cross teams, pushed all the way in Armagh plenty of times too but always came through.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: toby47 on November 26, 2021, 03:05:42 PM
Just get the feeling that Kilcoo have a lot more in the bag. Seemed to stutter through Down Championship. Seasoned Ulster veterans and that has got to count for something even if a few of their players are probably past their prime.

Referee'd them a couple of seasons ago at the Uni, christ they were a fast moving team, inter play and movement off the ball was pretty good, plenty players that came on also and fitted in well with their system. They might get it tighter in their own county, teams are getting wise and they are getting older so its no surprise that its tough in your own championship.

You could well be right.
I just get the feeling they are timing their peak for this ulster championship rather than the Down championship. It they did it was a dangerous tactic as they nearly got caught out a few times.


I agree, i think they have been trying to peak for Ulster. There was a gathering of about 10 people in the bar the night Kilcoo won the Down Championship. They are probably looking ahead to bigger things. Although they have a couple of injury problems so they could be up against it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on November 26, 2021, 03:06:36 PM
Just get the feeling that Kilcoo have a lot more in the bag. Seemed to stutter through Down Championship. Seasoned Ulster veterans and that has got to count for something even if a few of their players are probably past their prime.

Referee'd them a couple of seasons ago at the Uni, christ they were a fast moving team, inter play and movement off the ball was pretty good, plenty players that came on also and fitted in well with their system. They might get it tighter in their own county, teams are getting wise and they are getting older so its no surprise that its tough in your own championship.

You could well be right.
I just get the feeling they are timing their peak for this ulster championship rather than the Down championship. It they did it was a dangerous tactic as they nearly got caught out a few times.


I agree, i think they have been trying to peak for Ulster. There was a gathering of about 10 people in the bar the night Kilcoo won the Down Championship. They are probably looking ahead to bigger things. Although they have a couple of injury problems so they could be up against it.
If ye canít celebrate winning a county championship what is the point?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2021, 05:13:49 PM
Good luck to them but the incident with Cross years ago soured them for me!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on November 26, 2021, 05:48:39 PM
Good luck to them but the incident with Cross years ago soured them for me!
What was that? Iíve heard a few stories of things said on the pitch by Kilcoo lads that were so vile they shouldnít have been walking off.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: mrdeeds on November 26, 2021, 05:48:50 PM
Just get the feeling that Kilcoo have a lot more in the bag. Seemed to stutter through Down Championship. Seasoned Ulster veterans and that has got to count for something even if a few of their players are probably past their prime.

Referee'd them a couple of seasons ago at the Uni, christ they were a fast moving team, inter play and movement off the ball was pretty good, plenty players that came on also and fitted in well with their system. They might get it tighter in their own county, teams are getting wise and they are getting older so its no surprise that its tough in your own championship.

You could well be right.
I just get the feeling they are timing their peak for this ulster championship rather than the Down championship. It they did it was a dangerous tactic as they nearly got caught out a few times.


I agree, i think they have been trying to peak for Ulster. There was a gathering of about 10 people in the bar the night Kilcoo won the Down Championship. They are probably looking ahead to bigger things. Although they have a couple of injury problems so they could be up against it.
If ye canít celebrate winning a county championship what is the point?

I think Ramor will put it up to them. A talented full forward line and tough physical backs.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on November 26, 2021, 05:56:49 PM
Good luck to them but the incident with Cross years ago soured them for me!
What was that? Iíve heard a few stories of things said on the pitch by Kilcoo lads that were so vile they shouldnít have been walking off.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/father-of-racially-abused-crossmaglen-player-will-not-attend-ulster-club-tie-against-kilcoo-1.1578384 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/father-of-racially-abused-crossmaglen-player-will-not-attend-ulster-club-tie-against-kilcoo-1.1578384)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2021, 08:04:12 PM
Good luck to them but the incident with Cross years ago soured them for me!
What was that? Iíve heard a few stories of things said on the pitch by Kilcoo lads that were so vile they shouldnít have been walking off.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/father-of-racially-abused-crossmaglen-player-will-not-attend-ulster-club-tie-against-kilcoo-1.1578384 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/father-of-racially-abused-crossmaglen-player-will-not-attend-ulster-club-tie-against-kilcoo-1.1578384)

If no one knew about this  Iíd be surprised, maybe just looking it to be brought up
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on November 26, 2021, 08:33:58 PM
Tbh I had forgot about it. I mind turning on the tv and watching that game and it was one of the most toxic games I had ever seen. Just really bad atmosphere.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on November 26, 2021, 09:02:54 PM
Just get the feeling that Kilcoo have a lot more in the bag. Seemed to stutter through Down Championship. Seasoned Ulster veterans and that has got to count for something even if a few of their players are probably past their prime.

Referee'd them a couple of seasons ago at the Uni, christ they were a fast moving team, inter play and movement off the ball was pretty good, plenty players that came on also and fitted in well with their system. They might get it tighter in their own county, teams are getting wise and they are getting older so its no surprise that its tough in your own championship.

You could well be right.
I just get the feeling they are timing their peak for this ulster championship rather than the Down championship. It they did it was a dangerous tactic as they nearly got caught out a few times.


I agree, i think they have been trying to peak for Ulster. There was a gathering of about 10 people in the bar the night Kilcoo won the Down Championship. They are probably looking ahead to bigger things. Although they have a couple of injury problems so they could be up against it.
If ye canít celebrate winning a county championship what is the point?

I think Ramor will put it up to them. A talented full forward line and tough physical backs.

Yes, i think their full forward line accounted for all their scores against Gowna. That James Brady looks a handful for any defender. That being said, if Kilcoo can put the clinkers on that line Ramor will be in trouble.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on November 27, 2021, 11:54:38 AM
Just get the feeling that Kilcoo have a lot more in the bag. Seemed to stutter through Down Championship. Seasoned Ulster veterans and that has got to count for something even if a few of their players are probably past their prime.

Referee'd them a couple of seasons ago at the Uni, christ they were a fast moving team, inter play and movement off the ball was pretty good, plenty players that came on also and fitted in well with their system. They might get it tighter in their own county, teams are getting wise and they are getting older so its no surprise that its tough in your own championship.

You could well be right.
I just get the feeling they are timing their peak for this ulster championship rather than the Down championship. It they did it was a dangerous tactic as they nearly got caught out a few times.

We'd have done that in our pump, but as you say, one bad performance and you've egg on your face, what struck me about them, they aint the biggest side, I mean physically I've seen bigger teams, but lighting pace makes up for it. They aint shy in throwing it about either, nothing wrong with that too

Within reason. As a neutral from another county who knew nothing about them before seeing them on tv I don't like them at all and prefer to see them beat...

   "No one likes us, we don't care" 
         Its funny when trying to define what Kilcoo are.  I suppose they are very like Slaughtneil, St Galls or Cross. The club comes first and is greater than the county.
        I'd guess for me, the team they most resemble is the Tyrone senior football team. Ruthless, do anything to win and fiercely defensive off and loyal to their players and fans.(not forgetting and most importantly some brilliant players).
         I'm no big fan of either Kilcoo or Tyrone but you have to have a grudging admiration and respect for what they have achieved.
         
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: JoG2 on November 27, 2021, 12:44:19 PM
Just get the feeling that Kilcoo have a lot more in the bag. Seemed to stutter through Down Championship. Seasoned Ulster veterans and that has got to count for something even if a few of their players are probably past their prime.

Referee'd them a couple of seasons ago at the Uni, christ they were a fast moving team, inter play and movement off the ball was pretty good, plenty players that came on also and fitted in well with their system. They might get it tighter in their own county, teams are getting wise and they are getting older so its no surprise that its tough in your own championship.

You could well be right.
I just get the feeling they are timing their peak for this ulster championship rather than the Down championship. It they did it was a dangerous tactic as they nearly got caught out a few times.

We'd have done that in our pump, but as you say, one bad performance and you've egg on your face, what struck me about them, they aint the biggest side, I mean physically I've seen bigger teams, but lighting pace makes up for it. They aint shy in throwing it about either, nothing wrong with that too

Within reason. As a neutral from another county who knew nothing about them before seeing them on tv I don't like them at all and prefer to see them beat...

   "No one likes us, we don't care" 
         Its funny when trying to define what Kilcoo are.  I suppose they are very like Slaughtneil, St Galls or Cross. The club comes first and is greater than the county.
        I'd guess for me, the team they most resemble is the Tyrone senior football team. Ruthless, do anything to win and fiercely defensive off and loyal to their players and fans.(not forgetting some brilliant players).
         I'm no big fan of either Kilcoo or Tyrone but you have to have a grudging admiration and respect for what they have achieved.
       

Slaughtneil men, club and county. Have you seen Derry senior football panels over the last number of years?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on November 27, 2021, 01:04:17 PM
Just get the feeling that Kilcoo have a lot more in the bag. Seemed to stutter through Down Championship. Seasoned Ulster veterans and that has got to count for something even if a few of their players are probably past their prime.

Referee'd them a couple of seasons ago at the Uni, christ they were a fast moving team, inter play and movement off the ball was pretty good, plenty players that came on also and fitted in well with their system. They might get it tighter in their own county, teams are getting wise and they are getting older so its no surprise that its tough in your own championship.

You could well be right.
I just get the feeling they are timing their peak for this ulster championship rather than the Down championship. It they did it was a dangerous tactic as they nearly got caught out a few times.

We'd have done that in our pump, but as you say, one bad performance and you've egg on your face, what struck me about them, they aint the biggest side, I mean physically I've seen bigger teams, but lighting pace makes up for it. They aint shy in throwing it about either, nothing wrong with that too

Within reason. As a neutral from another county who knew nothing about them before seeing them on tv I don't like them at all and prefer to see them beat...

   "No one likes us, we don't care" 
         Its funny when trying to define what Kilcoo are.  I suppose they are very like Slaughtneil, St Galls or Cross. The club comes first and is greater than the county.
        I'd guess for me, the team they most resemble is the Tyrone senior football team. Ruthless, do anything to win and fiercely defensive off and loyal to their players and fans.(not forgetting some brilliant players).
         I'm no big fan of either Kilcoo or Tyrone but you have to have a grudging admiration and respect for what they have achieved.
       

Slaughtneil men, club and county. Have you seen Derry senior football panels over the last number of years?

I always thought they would have had a greater allegiance to their club than county, perhaps i'm wrong?
    Anyway, it wasnt a slight against them. A great team and club, in my humble opinion just like St Galls or Cross.
     
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on November 27, 2021, 01:22:08 PM
I would say they do have more allegiance to club.

Never seen diving like they are at tbh. Mainly one player tbf to the whole team so it isnít everyone.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on November 27, 2021, 03:37:07 PM
Good luck to them but the incident with Cross years ago soured them for me!
What was that? Iíve heard a few stories of things said on the pitch by Kilcoo lads that were so vile they shouldnít have been walking off.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/father-of-racially-abused-crossmaglen-player-will-not-attend-ulster-club-tie-against-kilcoo-1.1578384 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/father-of-racially-abused-crossmaglen-player-will-not-attend-ulster-club-tie-against-kilcoo-1.1578384)

If no one knew about this  Iíd be surprised, maybe just looking it to be brought up
Had genuinely forgotten about it or I wouldnt have asked.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 27, 2021, 03:54:59 PM
Me too tbf. Always knew theyd a reputation and played "on the edge" but had forgot this incident
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Silver hill on November 27, 2021, 04:04:15 PM
I would say they do have more allegiance to club.

Never seen diving like they are at tbh. Mainly one player tbf to the whole team so it isnít everyone.



Who, slaughtneil or Kilcoo?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on November 27, 2021, 06:35:38 PM
Kilcoo
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 29, 2021, 06:41:25 PM
Will vaccine passports be required for games from now on?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2021, 07:42:21 PM
Will vaccine passports be required for games from now on?

I would assume so
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Truth hurts on November 30, 2021, 11:02:44 AM
how can the ulster council police vaccine passports
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
how can the ulster council police vaccine passports

All tickets are scanned now, turnstiles at the gate with someone with the app scanner?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on November 30, 2021, 11:11:05 AM
Do referees need them  ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2021, 11:13:44 AM
Do referees need them  ;)

Weíve that Covid thing to fill in or update, Iím not a nod and a wink man at the gate, Iíll be paying for ticket on Sunday!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Orior on December 02, 2021, 10:29:53 PM
Any predictions for Sunday?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Targetman on December 02, 2021, 10:52:24 PM
Kilcoo by 4/5
Glen by 1
Clan Eireann by 2
Dromore by 3
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tbrick18 on December 03, 2021, 03:52:22 PM
Any of the games on TV?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Taylor on December 03, 2021, 03:55:06 PM
Any of the games on TV?

Kilcoo is on RTE tomorrow evening.

2 games on TG4 Sunday
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on December 03, 2021, 04:22:57 PM
You can buy some of them live from ulster Gaa?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tbrick18 on December 03, 2021, 04:46:08 PM
You can buy some of them live from ulster Gaa?

I dont think I'd chance that again after the quality of the last game I got.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on December 03, 2021, 04:47:31 PM
Oh. I have never bought. Tenner each. Wouldn't want to pay a tenner if stream crap.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Itchy on December 03, 2021, 06:25:55 PM
Any of the games on TV?

Kilcoo is on RTE tomorrow evening.

2 games on TG4 Sunday

Think Ramor are on tv as well at the same time as Kilcoo. I heard they are turning up for the craic.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on December 03, 2021, 08:32:00 PM
Kilcoo by 4/5
Glen by 1
Clan Eireann by 2
Dromore by 3

Fancy all those sides to win too.  Would love to see Derrygonnelly win but don't think they as strong as previous years
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 03, 2021, 10:19:57 PM
Kilcoo by 4/5
Glen by 1
Clan Eireann by 2
Dromore by 3

I don't think you'll be far out with that. Though i think the winning margins for Kilcoo and Glen should be swapped. Looking forward to the games.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 04, 2021, 12:25:32 AM
Kilcoo by 6.
Glen by 5.
Dromore by 1.
Creggan by 2.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2021, 12:33:41 AM
Whatís with the Tyrone predictions? Is it based on form?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: east down gael on December 04, 2021, 01:11:04 AM
Any reason for first time Antrim champs being favourites to beat a team who beat crossmaglen?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Orior on December 04, 2021, 02:04:40 AM
Kilcoo by 3.
Glen by 1
Dromore by 5.
Lurgan by 1.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on December 04, 2021, 07:52:44 AM
Whatís with the Tyrone predictions? Is it based on form?

Wouldnít be surprised if Derrygonnelly beat Dromore, just fancy Dromore by a couple. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general_lee on December 04, 2021, 07:53:34 AM
Any reason for first time Antrim champs being favourites to beat a team who beat crossmaglen?
Probably because the team they beat (in Antrim semi) is better than Crossmaglen (theyíre also not first time winners) Add to that Clann …ireann winning Armagh is being viewed by those outside the county as a shock, many in Armagh wouldnít be overly surprised. Iím more questioning why a team that scraped its way through extratime (3 times?) in Tyrone is being tipped favourite against a seasoned Derrygonnelly side.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 04, 2021, 10:36:29 AM
Not sure why Scotstown are being dismissed
A lot of big names and more ulster experience than glen
Hope glen win but wouldn't be a massive shock if they don't
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on December 04, 2021, 10:47:35 AM
Thatís the thing though, teams will be favoured but this years draw is wide open imo.  Wouldnít be surprised to see likes of Scotstown or Ramor win either.  Clann Eireann v Creggan 50/50 too.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on December 04, 2021, 11:06:25 AM
Kilcoo by 3.
Glen by 1
Dromore by 5.
Lurgan by 1.

Lurgan arenít playing
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2021, 12:06:46 PM
Are they play to a finish today?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 04, 2021, 03:05:42 PM
Are they play to a finish today?

Heading into ET now
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on December 04, 2021, 03:34:03 PM
Are they play to a finish today?

Heading into ET now

Ulster Senior Club Championship (Extra Time (2nd half), 78min)

Dromore 0-13 (13)
Derrygonnelly 0-16 (16)

Could be a big shock on.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on December 04, 2021, 03:37:07 PM
Goal now too.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on December 04, 2021, 03:37:27 PM
Sin e

Ulster Senior Club Championship (Full Time AET)

Dromore 0-13 (13)
Derrygonnelly 1-16 (19)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 04, 2021, 03:40:07 PM
Excellent win for Derrygonnelly but it shouldn't really be that big of a surprise either.

Any notions of a strong Tyrone club championship should be put to bed now. Just a lot of mediocre clubs playing at or around the same level. Year after year they fail to make an impression in Ulster.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: lenny on December 04, 2021, 03:41:15 PM
Are they play to a finish today?

Heading into ET now

Ulster Senior Club Championship (Extra Time (2nd half), 78min)

Dromore 0-13 (13)
Derrygonnelly 0-16 (16)

Could be a big shock on.

No one saw that coming, the champions from the strongest club scene in Ireland getting beaten in the first round.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 04, 2021, 03:48:32 PM
Are they play to a finish today?

Heading into ET now

Ulster Senior Club Championship (Extra Time (2nd half), 78min)

Dromore 0-13 (13)
Derrygonnelly 0-16 (16)

Could be a big shock on.

No one saw that coming, the champions from the strongest club scene in Ireland getting beaten in the first round.

They should be used to it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 04, 2021, 03:51:00 PM
If Derrygonnely get through they're an experienced outfit in ulster
Wont be a pushover
Remember it isn't Fermanagh v tyrone county teams

 ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: FermGael on December 04, 2021, 04:00:00 PM
Excellent win for Derrygonnelly but it shouldn't really be that big of a surprise either.

Any notions of a strong Tyrone club championship should be put to bed now. Just a lot of mediocre clubs playing at or around the same level. Year after year they fail to make an impression in Ulster.

That's is well summed up.
Derrygonnelly played the last 20 minutes of normal time with 14 men is the only reason Dromore got back into it .

Fair play to Derrygonnelly and no reason now they can't push on and try and win the thing .

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Orior on December 04, 2021, 04:08:27 PM
Sin e

Ulster Senior Club Championship (Full Time AET)

Dromore 0-13 (13)
Derrygonnelly 1-16 (19)

Means a full strength Tyrone team playing McKenna Cup.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2021, 04:11:46 PM
Are they play to a finish today?

Heading into ET now

Ulster Senior Club Championship (Extra Time (2nd half), 78min)

Dromore 0-13 (13)
Derrygonnelly 0-16 (16)

Could be a big shock on.

You donít watch much Ulster club games?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 04, 2021, 04:14:21 PM
Actually i am a bit suprised by that result. Fair play to Derrygonnelly, an experienced outfit with a good win. Will be hard to beat.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fionntamhnach on December 04, 2021, 04:21:11 PM
Excellent win for Derrygonnelly but it shouldn't really be that big of a surprise either.

Any notions of a strong Tyrone club championship should be put to bed now. Just a lot of mediocre clubs playing at or around the same level. Year after year they fail to make an impression in Ulster.

Don't think many have said that the Tyrone SFC championship is a "strong" one, just a very competitive one which it is, akin to the Ulster Intercounty football championship of much of the 70's, 80's and 90's. Unfortunately Dromore's poor record in this competition continued today, and by extension near enough any Tyrone club that has participated bar Errigal Ciaran. With Cookstown also having fell at the first hurdle, it's now up to Moortown in the Ulster club IFC tomorrow against Erne Gaels to keep Tyrone interest in these competitions going - and given Erne Gael's form in club football in Fermanagh this year, they'll be formidable opposition to Moortown.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2021, 04:28:18 PM
Actually i am a bit suprised by that result. Fair play to Derrygonnelly, an experienced outfit with a good win. Will be hard to beat.

Weíve this conversation every year (bar last, which was Tyrones best performance in Ulster, due to it not being on)

You need experience of the Ulster club to generally progress, Tyrone by virtue of different winners wonít get that.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on December 04, 2021, 04:33:06 PM
Excellent win for Derrygonnelly but it shouldn't really be that big of a surprise either.

Any notions of a strong Tyrone club championship should be put to bed now. Just a lot of mediocre clubs playing at or around the same level. Year after year they fail to make an impression in Ulster.

Would Tyrone people argue with that point still? The last 4 times this competition has been played, Tyrone teams have been knocked out at the first stage.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2021, 04:36:59 PM
I love Angelo this time of year
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on December 04, 2021, 04:40:57 PM
Delighted for Derrygonnelly.  Funny how a poster on the Tyrone thread thought that Dromore would Ďwipe the floorí with them lol
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2021, 04:43:21 PM
Delighted for Derrygonnelly.  Funny how a poster on the Tyrone thread thought that Dromore would Ďwipe the floorí with them lol

Seen that, snobbery at its best
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: HiMucker on December 04, 2021, 04:50:00 PM
A special mention to the Derrygonnelly Twitter thread that made for great entertainment. The man sent off scuppered by bet but it sounds like the better team one in the end up.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fionntamhnach on December 04, 2021, 04:59:38 PM
Delighted for Derrygonnelly.  Funny how a poster on the Tyrone thread thought that Dromore would Ďwipe the floorí with them lol

As I said earlier on in this thread, Dromore being 4/1 to win the provincial championship were ridiculously short odds especially since their neighbours failed to put Derrygonnelly to the sword themselves in the first round in 2019. Yesterday Dromore were 4/11 to beat Derrygonnelly with Paddy Power, with Derrygonnelly 11/4 - if I was a betting man I'd have been seriously tempted to put a few quid on Derrygonnelly with those odds, and I'd be friendly enough with a lot of Dromore people, including some in their team.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: straightred on December 04, 2021, 05:27:27 PM
A special mention to the Derrygonnelly Twitter thread that made for great entertainment. The man sent off scuppered by bet but it sounds like the better team one in the end up.

the last tweet was "Stick a fork in me for I am done!"  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2021, 05:37:45 PM
Predictions for this game? Magpies are odds on think Iíll go for over 27 points
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Itchy on December 04, 2021, 05:59:20 PM
Predictions for this game? Magpies are odds on think Iíll go for over 27 points

At least
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 04, 2021, 06:06:31 PM
What's the Kilcoo No. 7 wearing leggings for, it ain't that cold.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 04, 2021, 06:06:47 PM
Potent Ramor full forward line.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on December 04, 2021, 06:11:51 PM
Great strike for the Kilcoo goal but awful positioning by the Ramor keeper.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on December 04, 2021, 06:14:02 PM
Steps
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 04, 2021, 06:16:58 PM
Wide as f!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2021, 06:20:36 PM
Steps

Think he was being fouled leading up to that goal, point was badly missed by umpires and linesman
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on December 04, 2021, 06:20:59 PM
Wide as f!

Both of the umpires pretty much standing right next to each other as well.  ::)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on December 04, 2021, 06:27:03 PM
Have to hit the target there at least.

Ramor making it easy for Kilcoo with their strategy.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2021, 06:35:35 PM
1 point scored after the water break!!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Itchy on December 04, 2021, 06:36:49 PM
Well at least Ramor scored. How does Hurson not see that wide from sideline. Its simple stuff with officials that would drive you mad.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 04, 2021, 06:49:49 PM
Actually i am a bit suprised by that result. Fair play to Derrygonnelly, an experienced outfit with a good win. Will be hard to beat.

Weíve this conversation every year (bar last, which was Tyrones best performance in Ulster, due to it not being on)

You need experience of the Ulster club to generally progress, Tyrone by virtue of different winners wonít get that.
🤣🤣🤣 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Itchy on December 04, 2021, 06:55:08 PM
What a joke of a free in there for killcoo. Officials giving them every chance
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 04, 2021, 07:00:56 PM
Pure defensive muck from Kilcoo once they lose the ball itís 15 men behind the ball stuff.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 04, 2021, 07:01:34 PM
Ramor playing foolishly. Gifted Kilcoo a few easy points.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Itchy on December 04, 2021, 07:04:19 PM
Game over now. Ramor have no strategy on their own kick outs which is quite amazing
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 04, 2021, 07:05:01 PM
Ramor playing foolishly. Gifted Kilcoo a few easy points.

Playing into Kilcoos hands tactically. Too slow a build up against a defensive side and Kilcoo are extremely fit and once they turn over they can run the ball forward at speed. Very poor on kick outs also.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on December 04, 2021, 07:07:12 PM
Pure defensive muck from Kilcoo once they lose the ball itís 15 men behind the ball stuff.

Pure offensive muck from Ramor - no plan to deal with a team who sit deep defensively and hit them on the counter.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 04, 2021, 07:11:48 PM
Pure defensive muck from Kilcoo once they lose the ball itís 15 men behind the ball stuff.

Pure offensive muck from Ramor - no plan to deal with a team who sit deep defensively and hit them on the counter.

Yes, hard to argue with that. There are no surprises with how Kilcoo set up so for United to tactically play the way they did is baffling.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Itchy on December 04, 2021, 07:12:19 PM
Pure defensive muck from Kilcoo once they lose the ball itís 15 men behind the ball stuff.

Pure offensive muck from Ramor - no plan to deal with a team who sit deep defensively and hit them on the counter.

That's the state of cavan club football, pure shite.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fionntamhnach on December 04, 2021, 07:14:27 PM
Weíve this conversation every year (bar last, which was Tyrones best performance in Ulster, due to it not being on)

You need experience of the Ulster club to generally progress, Tyrone by virtue of different winners wonít get that.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30078982.html
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 04, 2021, 07:17:17 PM
Kilcoo are flying.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 04, 2021, 07:18:07 PM
Ramor playing foolishly. Gifted Kilcoo a few easy points.

Playing into Kilcoos hands tactically. Too slow a build up against a defensive side and Kilcoo are extremely fit and once they turn over they can run the ball forward at speed. Very poor on kick outs also.

Yep, its a pity because given the right supply their full forward line looks dangerous.
      Kilcoo far too experienced and wily to allow that. They also look fresh and extremely fit .
     
         
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2021, 07:20:40 PM
Weíve this conversation every year (bar last, which was Tyrones best performance in Ulster, due to it not being on)

You need experience of the Ulster club to generally progress, Tyrone by virtue of different winners wonít get that.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30078982.html

Oh I know that result well, bought my house from a Errigal Ciaran man! 2002 that time, Carrickmore were decent in Ulster.

Itís just a piss take. The plaudits every year about the Tyrone club championship just produces these moments
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 04, 2021, 07:22:26 PM
Ramor playing foolishly. Gifted Kilcoo a few easy points.

Playing into Kilcoos hands tactically. Too slow a build up against a defensive side and Kilcoo are extremely fit and once they turn over they can run the ball forward at speed. Very poor on kick outs also.

Yep, its a pity because given the right supply their full forward line looks dangerous.
      Kilcoo far too experienced and wily to allow that. They also look fresh and extremely fit .
     
       
Sure the sad huers didnít even celebrate winning Down!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2021, 07:26:23 PM
Ramor playing foolishly. Gifted Kilcoo a few easy points.

Playing into Kilcoos hands tactically. Too slow a build up against a defensive side and Kilcoo are extremely fit and once they turn over they can run the ball forward at speed. Very poor on kick outs also.

Yep, its a pity because given the right supply their full forward line looks dangerous.
      Kilcoo far too experienced and wily to allow that. They also look fresh and extremely fit .
     
       
Sure the sad huers didnít even celebrate winning Down!

Thatís what happens when you win so many, focus changes and preparing for Ulster and beyond is in their plans, itís dangerous but if it works outÖ.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on December 04, 2021, 07:27:40 PM
Ramor playing foolishly. Gifted Kilcoo a few easy points.

Playing into Kilcoos hands tactically. Too slow a build up against a defensive side and Kilcoo are extremely fit and once they turn over they can run the ball forward at speed. Very poor on kick outs also.

Yep, its a pity because given the right supply their full forward line looks dangerous.
      Kilcoo far too experienced and wily to allow that. They also look fresh and extremely fit .
     
       
Sure the sad huers didnít even celebrate winning Down!
did they not? Don't believe all you hear 😂
That was as handy as it comes for kilcoo, looking good to retain their title.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 04, 2021, 07:46:51 PM
RTE pundits saying that the Ulster club final is fixed for after Christmas so two teams left hanging over the break. Thatís madness when you have 2 weeks between every round it could have been easily played up before Christmas but as usual players are the ones who suffer.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general_lee on December 04, 2021, 08:17:28 PM
RTE pundits saying that the Ulster club final is fixed for after Christmas so two teams left hanging over the break. Thatís madness when you have 2 weeks between every round it could have been easily played up before Christmas but as usual players are the ones who suffer.
Iím sure the two teams that get over the line and reach the final wonít give a hoot. I dare say if you asked any of the remaining teams theyíd happily sacrifice Christmas if it meant having a final to look forward to
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: bennydorano on December 04, 2021, 09:06:35 PM
It leaves one of them with better prep for the AISF tho
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: on the sideline on December 05, 2021, 03:50:52 PM
Is Paul Rouse part of the Glen management team too?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 05, 2021, 03:56:57 PM
RTE pundits saying that the Ulster club final is fixed for after Christmas so two teams left hanging over the break. Thatís madness when you have 2 weeks between every round it could have been easily played up before Christmas but as usual players are the ones who suffer.

All provincial club finals are fixed for 8th/9th January or 15/16th January.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 05, 2021, 04:08:54 PM
RTE pundits saying that the Ulster club final is fixed for after Christmas so two teams left hanging over the break. Thatís madness when you have 2 weeks between every round it could have been easily played up before Christmas but as usual players are the ones who suffer.

All provincial club finals are fixed for 8th/9th January or 15/16th January.
Am I right in saying the plan was to finish the AI club in the calendar year before covid kicked in?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on December 05, 2021, 04:09:14 PM
That's Scotstown finished with Kieran Hughes off. He's a very temperamental player. Watty Grahams have been very impressive
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: straightred on December 05, 2021, 04:15:24 PM
That's Scotstown finished with Kieran Hughes off. He's a very temperamental player. Watty Grahams have been very impressive

scotstown hanging in there. No replay so dont know what Hughes did
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 05, 2021, 04:17:10 PM
That's Scotstown finished with Kieran Hughes off. He's a very temperamental player. Watty Grahams have been very impressive

What actually happened?  Never showed a replay of incident.  Bit of a comeback on
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: straightred on December 05, 2021, 04:19:56 PM
That's Scotstown finished with Kieran Hughes off. He's a very temperamental player. Watty Grahams have been very impressive

What actually happened?  Never showed a replay of incident.  Bit of a comeback on
He had scored a couple of nice points but otherwise the Glens midfield have been well on top
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: lenny on December 05, 2021, 04:24:07 PM
That's Scotstown finished with Kieran Hughes off. He's a very temperamental player. Watty Grahams have been very impressive

What actually happened?  Never showed a replay of incident.  Bit of a comeback on

Should have been a straight red for beggan there
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: straightred on December 05, 2021, 04:26:35 PM
That's Scotstown finished with Kieran Hughes off. He's a very temperamental player. Watty Grahams have been very impressive

What actually happened?  Never showed a replay of incident.  Bit of a comeback on

Should have been a straight red for beggan there
thought he won the ball.. probably a red in soccer though
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Estimator on December 05, 2021, 04:27:06 PM
McQuillan has been riding Glen since the sending off. Shocking that Beggan got away with that.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: straightred on December 05, 2021, 04:29:43 PM
McQuillan has been riding Glen since the sending off. Shocking that Beggan got away with that.
dont know about that... scotstown should have had a penalty in the 1st half for a blatant push. Apart from that there hasn't been any obvious mistakes
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: lenny on December 05, 2021, 04:31:35 PM
McQuillan has been riding Glen since the sending off. Shocking that Beggan got away with that.
dont know about that... scotstown should have had a penalty in the 1st half for a blatant push. Apart from that there hasn't been any obvious mistakes

Thatís a very dangerous tackle by beggan. Red card all day long
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 05, 2021, 04:32:09 PM
Glen have been the better side today but I doubt Kilcoo will be as tactically naive. Scotstown gave McFaul the run of the pitch. I think Glen are weak defensively and that will suit Kilcoo who flood men back and play on the counter. It should be a close contest but Iíd favour Kilcoo based on what Iíve seen. They also have Mickey Moran in the dugout who will know Glen inside out.

It could be one of the most eagerly anticipated games of the year and for me itís the de facto Ulster final in all but name.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: straightred on December 05, 2021, 04:36:43 PM
Glen have been the better side today but I doubt Kilcoo will be as tactically naive. Scotstown gave McFaul the run of the pitch. I think Glen are weak defensively and that will suit Kilcoo who flood men back and play on the counter. It should be a close contest but Iíd favour Kilcoo based on what Iíve seen. They also have Mickey Moran in the dugout who will know Glen inside out.

It could be one of the most eagerly anticipated games of the year and for me itís the de facto Ulster final in all but name.
there's the 2nd red... dont think there was much contact but this game is over anyway
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Estimator on December 05, 2021, 04:40:16 PM
Hit him late, well after the whistle. Stupidity, pictures aren't clear, but it seems like the linesman reckons Hughes connected with his first.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 05, 2021, 04:42:58 PM
Glen had 11 different scorers
Impressive
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: bennydorano on December 05, 2021, 04:47:51 PM
Glen v Kilcoo should be tasty. Athletic Grounds for that one I'd say? Nice and handy.

Well done Clann Eireann as well, can't say I fancied you beforehand but a great win and while Derrygonnelly will be strong favs for that semi Clann Eireann really have nothing to fear at this stage, give it a lash.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 05, 2021, 04:49:35 PM
Glen a better team than Kilcoo, but experience playing ulster club fball counts for alot from Kilcoo point of view.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 05, 2021, 04:52:06 PM
Yes, well done to Clann Eireann itís never easy for a first timer to progress in Ulster but they have a decent chance of making an Ulster final now although Derrygonelly will be expected to win that one being a more seasoned outfit.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 05, 2021, 04:55:30 PM
Glen a better team than Kilcoo, but experience playing ulster club fball counts for alot from Kilcoo point of view.

Would agree that they are a much better footballing side but Kilcoo are notoriously difficult to play against and they will have every trick in the book.

Itís that contrast of styles that set up what should be a humdinger of a contest. Most of those Glen lads have multiple Ulster titles albeit at underage level but it all helps.

I doubt if weíll see Mickey Moran doing a McGuckin and sitting out this game against his own club!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: sid waddell on December 05, 2021, 04:57:59 PM
McQuillan has been riding Glen since the sending off. Shocking that Beggan got away with that.
dont know about that... scotstown should have had a penalty in the 1st half for a blatant push. Apart from that there hasn't been any obvious mistakes

Thatís a very dangerous tackle by beggan. Red card all day long
Thought it was a fair tackle, ball was on the ground it was there to be played for and he won it. Darren Cues can't have any argument with being put off though and his brother didn't seem to have any argument about being put off either.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: An Watcher on December 05, 2021, 05:11:55 PM
Thought it was a very soft sending off for Darren Hughes.  Didn't catch the man at all even though he went down holding his face.  Cameras missed the other sending off so nit sure how anyone can comment
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: straightred on December 05, 2021, 05:12:18 PM
McQuillan has been riding Glen since the sending off. Shocking that Beggan got away with that.
dont know about that... scotstown should have had a penalty in the 1st half for a blatant push. Apart from that there hasn't been any obvious mistakes

Thatís a very dangerous tackle by beggan. Red card all day long
Thought it was a fair tackle, ball was on the ground it was there to be played for and he won it. Darren Cues can't have any argument with being put off though and his brother didn't seem to have any argument about being put off either.
I thought so too. We dont want the game to go the way soccer has gone. He had to get it spot on and he did. Didnt matter much in the end anyway. The Glen would have won even if it had stayed 15 v 15
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 05, 2021, 05:30:09 PM
McQuillan has been riding Glen since the sending off. Shocking that Beggan got away with that.
dont know about that... scotstown should have had a penalty in the 1st half for a blatant push. Apart from that there hasn't been any obvious mistakes

Thatís a very dangerous tackle by beggan. Red card all day long
Thought it was a fair tackle, ball was on the ground it was there to be played for and he won it. Darren Cues can't have any argument with being put off though and his brother didn't seem to have any argument about being put off either.

He was literally screaming in McQuillans face!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Mikhailov on December 05, 2021, 05:33:25 PM
Glen v Kilcoo has all the makings of a great game. Both outfits were impressive this weekend and arguably are two of the best teams left in contention for the AI club.

Both teams drop everyone back behind the ball when defending and then attack at pace. From a scoring threat, Glen have the bigger range of scorers but Kilcoo always get goals and goals are a big factor in tight winter games. Will be interesting to see how it all develops

Similar styles but Kilcoo have been doing it for years so they know it inside out and trust the system. Glen struggled with a deep defending counter attacking team last day v Eunans so they will look to get ahead and draw Kilcoo out of their defensive shape and then just pick off scores when they get a chance. Kilcoo very hard to play against but Glen will be the best team they will have played in a long time.

Will be cagey for the opening half as both teams know that if they go 3/4 down then it will be very difficult to come back from that against quality opponents.

It all leads to an intriguing clash and the AG is the perfect venue for it. Should be a great atmosphere - hopefully a Saturday evening at 6pm
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Orior on December 05, 2021, 05:51:29 PM
Yes, well done to Clann Eireann itís never easy for a first timer to progress in Ulster but they have a decent chance of making an Ulster final now although Derrygonelly will be expected to win that one being a more seasoned outfit.

Is the McDonald lad any relation to Rory McIlroy?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 05, 2021, 06:36:15 PM
Beggan was lucky, it was a def free and at least a yellow card, i got send off for similar yrs ago. He diving in there foot first.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: lenny on December 05, 2021, 06:39:32 PM
McQuillan has been riding Glen since the sending off. Shocking that Beggan got away with that.
dont know about that... scotstown should have had a penalty in the 1st half for a blatant push. Apart from that there hasn't been any obvious mistakes

Thatís a very dangerous tackle by beggan. Red card all day long
Thought it was a fair tackle, ball was on the ground it was there to be played for and he won it. Darren Cues can't have any argument with being put off though and his brother didn't seem to have any argument about being put off either.
I thought so too. We dont want the game to go the way soccer has gone. He had to get it spot on and he did. Didnt matter much in the end anyway. The Glen would have won even if it had stayed 15 v 15

Okay, so weíre happy enough for lads to jump feet first into tackles when their opponent is trying to pick the ball up. Crazy. It was a cowardly tackle from Beggan and deserved a red card. Darren Hughes was unlucky, definitely not a red but it was a yellow and he was stupid because the free was awarded long before he ran in to get involved.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 05, 2021, 06:42:12 PM
Yes, well done to Clann Eireann itís never easy for a first timer to progress in Ulster but they have a decent chance of making an Ulster final now although Derrygonelly will be expected to win that one being a more seasoned outfit.

Is the McDonald lad any relation to Rory McIlroy?

Haven't a clue.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on December 05, 2021, 06:43:53 PM
Glen probaly have the height advantage in a few areas over Kilcoo. Bradley and Glass are huge, McFaul .. Kilcoo are a well conditioned team with a lot of pace. Eugene Brannigan was flying in the skins.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Orior on December 05, 2021, 07:10:08 PM
Yes, well done to Clann Eireann itís never easy for a first timer to progress in Ulster but they have a decent chance of making an Ulster final now although Derrygonelly will be expected to win that one being a more seasoned outfit.

Is the McDonald lad any relation to Rory McIlroy?

Haven't a clue.

Well find out ffs.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 05, 2021, 07:22:35 PM
Glen probaly have the height advantage in a few areas over Kilcoo. Bradley and Glass are huge, McFaul .. Kilcoo are a well conditioned team with a lot of pace. Eugene Brannigan was flying in the skins.

Certainly Glen have a major advantage in midfield over Kilcoo. Kilcoo have been able to deal with this in the past but your man Glass is in a different league.
      After watching that today i'd fancy Glen over Kilcoo but not by much.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: theticklemister on December 05, 2021, 07:24:44 PM
Ramor went out played man to man and left oceans of space. Glen will not do so.

Definite red card for Beggan. Canít believe a free wasnít even given.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general_lee on December 05, 2021, 07:29:00 PM
Yes, well done to Clann Eireann itís never easy for a first timer to progress in Ulster but they have a decent chance of making an Ulster final now although Derrygonelly will be expected to win that one being a more seasoned outfit.
No reason why Clann …ireann canít take them. I know the old adage that physicality comes up trumps in winter football but Clann …ireann are a very fit team, in a few of their games this year theyíve been well behind but their fitness has shown through and theyíve finished strongly
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on December 05, 2021, 07:32:49 PM
Nah, I fancy the Tyrone champs to hammer them...oh wait

Joking aside, Derrygonnelly v Clann Eireann will be another tight one.  Both will fancy their chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 05, 2021, 07:39:36 PM
Nah, I fancy the Tyrone champs to hammer them...oh wait

Joking aside, Derrygonnelly v Clann Eireann will be another tight one.  Both will fancy their chances.

Why are people underestimating the Fermanagh lads? CE in fairness only played about 30 minutes and won the game in extra time. Thatís was down to Creggan not seeing it out when 6 or 7 up, Derrygonnelly wonít allow that to happen
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on December 05, 2021, 07:55:52 PM
Nah, I fancy the Tyrone champs to hammer them...oh wait

Joking aside, Derrygonnelly v Clann Eireann will be another tight one.  Both will fancy their chances.

Why are people underestimating the Fermanagh lads? CE in fairness only played about 30 minutes and won the game in extra time. Thatís was down to Creggan not seeing it out when 6 or 7 up, Derrygonnelly wonít allow that to happen

In fairness, Fermanagh clubs had a fairly dismal record in the Ulster senior club for a good few years after Enniskillen made their second final back in 2002.  I get why they'd normally be seen as easy pickings but anyone with any sort of recent knowledge could see that Derrygonnelly wouldn't be a pushover.  Don't think it's a case of Clann Eireann underestimating them, geniunely think it'll be another tight one.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general_lee on December 05, 2021, 08:14:41 PM
Itís another 50/50 and could go either way
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: FermGael on December 05, 2021, 08:17:10 PM
It's a pity Derrygonnelly don't have Micheal Gylnn available.
He is a massive loss for them. 
Contracted to Derry City but out on loan to Dungannon Swift's.

But the return of Shane McGullion to the forward line yesterday was a big boost for them. He hasn't played a game all year for them.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 05, 2021, 08:31:14 PM
Nah, I fancy the Tyrone champs to hammer them...oh wait

Joking aside, Derrygonnelly v Clann Eireann will be another tight one.  Both will fancy their chances.

Why are people underestimating the Fermanagh lads? CE in fairness only played about 30 minutes and won the game in extra time. Thatís was down to Creggan not seeing it out when 6 or 7 up, Derrygonnelly wonít allow that to happen

In fairness, Fermanagh clubs had a fairly dismal record in the Ulster senior club for a good few years after Enniskillen made their second final back in 2002.  I get why they'd normally be seen as easy pickings but anyone with any sort of recent knowledge could see that Derrygonnelly wouldn't be a pushover.  Don't think it's a case of Clann Eireann underestimating them, geniunely think it'll be another tight one.

The Gaels were some outfit, probably one of the best teams not to win an Ulster.

Ulster very rarely has a first time winner, if they do itís usually a Derry team, Glen looked very strong today, will be no quarter given next day out.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on December 05, 2021, 08:32:10 PM
I remember Glynn was on that St Michael's team that won the.Hogan.Cup..classy Centre forward, good at they frees .
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on December 05, 2021, 11:10:21 PM
Nah, I fancy the Tyrone champs to hammer them...oh wait

Joking aside, Derrygonnelly v Clann Eireann will be another tight one.  Both will fancy their chances.

Why are people underestimating the Fermanagh lads? CE in fairness only played about 30 minutes and won the game in extra time. Thatís was down to Creggan not seeing it out when 6 or 7 up, Derrygonnelly wonít allow that to happen

Who is underestimating them? CE are my club but Iíd have DG as favourites given their experience in Ulster. That said CE will go into it with no fear.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2021, 12:17:17 AM
Nah, I fancy the Tyrone champs to hammer them...oh wait

Joking aside, Derrygonnelly v Clann Eireann will be another tight one.  Both will fancy their chances.

Why are people underestimating the Fermanagh lads? CE in fairness only played about 30 minutes and won the game in extra time. Thatís was down to Creggan not seeing it out when 6 or 7 up, Derrygonnelly wonít allow that to happen

Who is underestimating them? CE are my club but Iíd have DG as favourites given their experience in Ulster. That said CE will go into it with no fear.

All the Tyrone ones for a start! You said Fermanagh clubs have had a dismal recorded since Gaels, but this team has done well? General lee said thereís no reason why CE wonít take them outÖ

People underestimate them. These are county line calls, this is club
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: armaghniac on December 06, 2021, 12:39:44 AM
Being a few points ahead to Clann …ireann during the game doesn't seem to phase them anyhow.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2021, 07:33:48 AM
Being a few points ahead to Clann …ireann during the game doesn't seem to phase them anyhow.

7 points! But yes based on their comeback against Cross they have form
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tiempo on December 06, 2021, 09:22:33 AM
Tyrone got bored winning the AI club after 2002 and been focused on the county since, hasn't worked out too bad  ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2021, 09:25:08 AM
Tyrone got bored winning the AI club after 2002 and been focused on the county since, hasn't worked out too bad  ;)

You'd need to win it first before getting bored I'd say. They got dicked in the semi i think by Nemo
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tiempo on December 06, 2021, 09:39:41 AM
Tyrone got bored winning the AI club after 2002 and been focused on the county since, hasn't worked out too bad  ;)

You'd need to win it first before getting bored I'd say. They got dicked in the semi i think by Nemo
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 Let it go lad.   Edit by Mod5: Obscenity deleted.

Best Tyrone club team of all time and one of Ulsters finest too.


Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2021, 09:44:25 AM
Tyrone got bored winning the AI club after 2002 and been focused on the county since, hasn't worked out too bad  ;)

You'd need to win it first before getting bored I'd say. They got dicked in the semi i think by Nemo

Let it go lad.  Edit by Mod5: Obscenity deleted.

Best Tyrone club team of all time and one of Ulsters finest too.




Is this a picture of a Tyrone club winning an All Ireland senior?  Can't remember that one myself, but seeing as you have the photo up it must be true

Edit by Mod 5: Obscenity deleted.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2021, 10:29:24 AM
There are a right few clubs like that up and down the country, I seen Ballinderry played in Tyrone leagues back in the 20's 30's .. Muldoon was at Corrigan on Sunday, punished us in the Ulster club back in the day
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: HiMucker on December 06, 2021, 10:41:29 AM
Glen probaly have the height advantage in a few areas over Kilcoo. Bradley and Glass are huge, McFaul .. Kilcoo are a well conditioned team with a lot of pace. Eugene Brannigan was flying in the skins.

Certainly Glen have a major advantage in midfield over Kilcoo. Kilcoo have been able to deal with this in the past but your man Glass is in a different league.
      After watching that today i'd fancy Glen over Kilcoo but not by much.
That reminds me, Glass getting getting blew up for that ridiculous catch in the second half was a refereeing travesty
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 10:57:02 AM
Is it true that Moran will not manage Kilcoo on the day and leave it to Gilligan as he cannot manage v his own club?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Mikhailov on December 06, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
There are a right few clubs like that up and down the country, I seen Ballinderry played in Tyrone leagues back in the 20's 30's .. Muldoon was at Corrigan on Sunday, punished us in the Ulster club back in the day

Is Muldoon not involved in the new Cargin management set up?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2021, 11:52:09 AM
There are a right few clubs like that up and down the country, I seen Ballinderry played in Tyrone leagues back in the 20's 30's .. Muldoon was at Corrigan on Sunday, punished us in the Ulster club back in the day

Is Muldoon not involved in the new Cargin management set up?

Don't know, but seen him at game yesterday
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: rrhf on December 06, 2021, 12:15:26 PM
There are a right few clubs like that up and down the country, I seen Ballinderry played in Tyrone leagues back in the 20's 30's .. Muldoon was at Corrigan on Sunday, punished us in the Ulster club back in the day

Showing your age there MR.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on December 06, 2021, 12:24:58 PM
Nah, I fancy the Tyrone champs to hammer them...oh wait

Joking aside, Derrygonnelly v Clann Eireann will be another tight one.  Both will fancy their chances.

Why are people underestimating the Fermanagh lads? CE in fairness only played about 30 minutes and won the game in extra time. Thatís was down to Creggan not seeing it out when 6 or 7 up, Derrygonnelly wonít allow that to happen

Who is underestimating them? CE are my club but Iíd have DG as favourites given their experience in Ulster. That said CE will go into it with no fear.

All the Tyrone ones for a start! You said Fermanagh clubs have had a dismal recorded since Gaels, but this team has done well? General lee said thereís no reason why CE wonít take them outÖ

People underestimate them. These are county line calls, this is club
I said nothing about fermanagh clubs. And I couldnít care what Tyrone ones say to be honest. They have no knowledge of being successful in ulster club at this level
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general_lee on December 06, 2021, 12:30:29 PM
Nah, I fancy the Tyrone champs to hammer them...oh wait

Joking aside, Derrygonnelly v Clann Eireann will be another tight one.  Both will fancy their chances.

Why are people underestimating the Fermanagh lads? CE in fairness only played about 30 minutes and won the game in extra time. Thatís was down to Creggan not seeing it out when 6 or 7 up, Derrygonnelly wonít allow that to happen

Who is underestimating them? CE are my club but Iíd have DG as favourites given their experience in Ulster. That said CE will go into it with no fear.

All the Tyrone ones for a start! You said Fermanagh clubs have had a dismal recorded since Gaels, but this team has done well? General lee said thereís no reason why CE wonít take them outÖ

People underestimate them. These are county line calls, this is club
There is no reason why CE canít take them. On paper theyíre underdogs but theyíve been underdogs on paper for 3/4 matches in a row and still came out on top. Two good footballing sides, hopefully they both go man to man.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: bennydorano on December 08, 2021, 07:08:39 PM
https://ulster.gaa.ie/2021/12/details-of-ulster-club-football-semi-finals-fixtures-confirmed/

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly Sat 18th @ 6.30pm in Breffni

Glen v Kilcoo, Sunday 19th @ 4pm in Athletic Grounds

Two TV matches I'd imagine with that scheduling.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 08, 2021, 08:25:23 PM
https://ulster.gaa.ie/2021/12/details-of-ulster-club-football-semi-finals-fixtures-confirmed/

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly Sat 18th @ 6.30pm in Breffni

Glen v Kilcoo, Sunday 19th @ 4pm in Athletic Grounds

Two TV matches I'd imagine with that scheduling.

Thatís some journey for Clann Eireann to travel. Both under floodlights and should be 2 fairly evenly matched games.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on December 08, 2021, 10:26:43 PM
https://ulster.gaa.ie/2021/12/details-of-ulster-club-football-semi-finals-fixtures-confirmed/

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly Sat 18th @ 6.30pm in Breffni

Glen v Kilcoo, Sunday 19th @ 4pm in Athletic Grounds

Two TV matches I'd imagine with that scheduling.
Niall McCoy on twitter saying that he doesn't think Glen/kilcoo is scheduled for tv
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fionntamhnach on December 08, 2021, 10:53:06 PM
https://ulster.gaa.ie/2021/12/details-of-ulster-club-football-semi-finals-fixtures-confirmed/

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly Sat 18th @ 6.30pm in Breffni

Glen v Kilcoo, Sunday 19th @ 4pm in Athletic Grounds

Two TV matches I'd imagine with that scheduling.

Thatís some journey for Clann Eireann to travel. Both under floodlights and should be 2 fairly evenly matched games.

It's possible the Derrygonnelly/Clann …ireann game will be shown on RT…2 given the throw-in time. If that's the case, then floodlights are needed and Clones isn't an option while Healy Park might have been another option but it isn't available ATM.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: timmyot501 on December 08, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
According to hoganstand fixtures for Sat 18th Dec

Leinster Club SFC semi-finals
Portarlington (Laois) v Kilmacud Crokes (Dublin), Croke Park, 5pm - RTE
Shelmaliers (Wexford) v Naas (Kildare), Croke Park, 3.15pm - RTE
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: bennydorano on December 09, 2021, 09:09:09 AM
There'll be some crowd at Glen game if it's not on TV, but those TV schedules change all the time
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 09, 2021, 09:30:17 AM
https://ulster.gaa.ie/2021/12/details-of-ulster-club-football-semi-finals-fixtures-confirmed/

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly Sat 18th @ 6.30pm in Breffni

Glen v Kilcoo, Sunday 19th @ 4pm in Athletic Grounds

Two TV matches I'd imagine with that scheduling.
Niall McCoy on twitter saying that he doesn't think Glen/kilcoo is scheduled for tv

That would be madness, this is probably the most eagerly anticipated club game of the year.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on December 09, 2021, 11:16:14 AM
Why do the BBC not show the Ulster Club?,can't be reliant on TG4 and RTE when there is 3 other provinces to show aswell.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2021, 11:20:13 AM
Why do the BBC not show the Ulster Club?,can't be reliant on TG4 and RTE when there is 3 other provinces to show aswell.

Or even UTV for that matter, wouldn't cost that much to run, as for the BBC our tv licence would need to cover both sides, even put it on their APP
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tiempo on December 09, 2021, 11:36:23 AM
Partway through watching this, great show

https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/play/?pid=5793836886001&title=N%C3%ADos%20M%C3%B3%20N%C3%A1%20Cluiche%20-%20GAA%20Uladh&series=N%C3%ADos%20M%C3%B3%20N%C3%A1%20Cluiche%20-%20GAA%20Uladh&genre=Sport&pcode=034369
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: J70 on December 09, 2021, 12:13:39 PM
Partway through watching this, great show

https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/play/?pid=5793836886001&title=N%C3%ADos%20M%C3%B3%20N%C3%A1%20Cluiche%20-%20GAA%20Uladh&series=N%C3%ADos%20M%C3%B3%20N%C3%A1%20Cluiche%20-%20GAA%20Uladh&genre=Sport&pcode=034369

That looks interesting.

Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2021, 01:06:02 PM
Partway through watching this, great show

https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/play/?pid=5793836886001&title=N%C3%ADos%20M%C3%B3%20N%C3%A1%20Cluiche%20-%20GAA%20Uladh&series=N%C3%ADos%20M%C3%B3%20N%C3%A1%20Cluiche%20-%20GAA%20Uladh&genre=Sport&pcode=034369

That looks interesting.

Thanks for the tip.

Does it come with subtitles? Asking for a friend ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Silver hill on December 09, 2021, 02:04:46 PM
Why do the BBC not show the Ulster Club?,can't be reliant on TG4 and RTE when there is 3 other provinces to show aswell.

Or even UTV for that matter, wouldn't cost that much to run, as for the BBC our tv licence would need to cover both sides, even put it on their APP

I think itís because rte/tG4 have paid for the rights to any club football
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2021, 02:34:05 PM
Why do the BBC not show the Ulster Club?,can't be reliant on TG4 and RTE when there is 3 other provinces to show aswell.

Or even UTV for that matter, wouldn't cost that much to run, as for the BBC our tv licence would need to cover both sides, even put it on their APP

I think itís because rte/tG4 have paid for the rights to any club football

Do they show games on their live streaming apps/players?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: befair on December 09, 2021, 09:19:21 PM
Why do the BBC not show the Ulster Club?,can't be reliant on TG4 and RTE when there is 3 other provinces to show aswell.

Or even UTV for that matter, wouldn't cost that much to run, as for the BBC our tv licence would need to cover both sides, even put it on their APP

Don't know who advises RTE; the Kilcoo/Ramore game was obviously going to the most uncompetitive

I think itís because rte/tG4 have paid for the rights to any club football

Do they show games on their live streaming apps/players?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Too many steps on December 10, 2021, 10:15:40 AM


Or even UTV for that matter, wouldn't cost that much to run, as for the BBC our tv licence would need to cover both sides, even put it on their APP
[/quote]

No chance of UTV showing any live local sport in foreseeable future. Bought over by ITV about 5 years ago. They're basically just a regional news and current affairs producer now.

To get any live local sport on UTV now, ITV sport would have to be interested and as a London based commercial operation that's not likely to happen.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 14, 2021, 01:09:06 PM
Partway through watching this, great show

https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/play/?pid=5793836886001&title=N%C3%ADos%20M%C3%B3%20N%C3%A1%20Cluiche%20-%20GAA%20Uladh&series=N%C3%ADos%20M%C3%B3%20N%C3%A1%20Cluiche%20-%20GAA%20Uladh&genre=Sport&pcode=034369

Really enjoyed this. Thanks
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 14, 2021, 01:29:15 PM
Any predictions for the semi finals.

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly 
  7/4            13/2                8/13
Logic would say to go with the more experienced Derrygonnelly side here but I've a feeling Clan Eireann can pull a shock of here, but by the minimum.   

Glen             v                 Kilcoo   
4/7           7-1                15/8

Glen strong favourites for this. Kilcoo have struggled in the past against big physical sides like Glen. However they have some serious experience at this level and have real goal scoring threats. I think the bookies might be wrong on this one. Kilcoo by 3
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 14, 2021, 01:50:15 PM
Clann Eireann have a free shot to nothing at making an Ulster final. Derrygonnelly took a notable scalp by beating the Tyrone champions whilst CE just edged out the Antrim champions. I think Clann Eireann will improve for getting over the first round and getting their teeth into the competition but they will need to. Derrygonnelly will feel that this is a glorious opportunity to make an Ulster final after running Kilcoo so close in 2019 when they really beat themselves. I think Derrygonnelly's gretaer experience and physicality will see them over the line.

So far Glen have fulfilled all of the hype and expectation this season. They have been the talking horse for a few years now after winning 4 Ulster minor club titles in a row. It seems to have taken the introduction of a top class manager to get them over the line. They have the talent and on paper they are much better than Kilcoo but Kilcoo will relish the underdog tag and they love nothing more than a dog fight. Conditions could play a part and it is a really difficult game to call. Glen have a big advantage around the middle third of the pitch but if Kilcoo get their running game going they could do some damage on the counter attack. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see this game going to extra time. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on December 14, 2021, 01:54:14 PM
I think Glass coming has made a big difference too.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 14, 2021, 01:59:18 PM
I think Glass coming has made a big difference too.

Undoubtedly, great player and he still has the potential to get better. I think like most former AFL players returning it takes them a time to readjust to gaelic football but he is still at an age where he can get better. Looking at his body shape, it is fairly obvious what AFL done for him physically but the skill levels do need some time to readjust.   
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on December 14, 2021, 02:00:21 PM
Yeah the engine and conditioning etc is definitely there. I would expect a lot more from him in years to come - and McKenna too.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2021, 02:15:59 PM
Iíll go with form in the tournament and both Kilcoo and Derrygonnelly are seasoned campaigners, Glen won handy enough last day but struggled against the Donegal ones. CE were brilliant for 30 minutes, they canít afford to give out a big lead next day
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tiempo on December 14, 2021, 03:25:08 PM
I think Glass coming has made a big difference too.

Undoubtedly, great player and he still has the potential to get better. I think like most former AFL players returning it takes them a time to readjust to gaelic football but he is still at an age where he can get better. Looking at his body shape, it is fairly obvious what AFL done for him physically but the skill levels do need some time to readjust.

Never quite get this and its often put forward when lads come back from a short stint. The fella played Gaelic from 5-18, AFL from 18-22, he's 24 now, the skills are back, 6 months is enough to get back into the swing with the native game after a short stint away
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 14, 2021, 03:40:00 PM
I think Glass coming has made a big difference too.

Undoubtedly, great player and he still has the potential to get better. I think like most former AFL players returning it takes them a time to readjust to gaelic football but he is still at an age where he can get better. Looking at his body shape, it is fairly obvious what AFL done for him physically but the skill levels do need some time to readjust.

Never quite get this and its often put forward when lads come back from a short stint. The fella played Gaelic from 5-18, AFL from 18-22, he's 24 now, the skills are back, 6 months is enough to get back into the swing with the native game after a short stint away

Well I'm basing it on the evidence of what I've seen with the history of returning players over the years. Very few have come back better gaelic footballers after a prolonged period away. Their body shapes change physically which have both negatives and positive consequences when transferring across to gaelic football. The kicking and handpassing style is much different in AFL.

If you want another example just look at the specky he went for in the game against Scotstown. Looked great for the cameras but ultimately resulted in a foul against his side. That shows that there is still an element of his play that lingers on from AFL.   
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on December 14, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
I think Glass coming has made a big difference too.

Undoubtedly, great player and he still has the potential to get better. I think like most former AFL players returning it takes them a time to readjust to gaelic football but he is still at an age where he can get better. Looking at his body shape, it is fairly obvious what AFL done for him physically but the skill levels do need some time to readjust.


Never quite get this and its often put forward when lads come back from a short stint. The fella played Gaelic from 5-18, AFL from 18-22, he's 24 now, the skills are back, 6 months is enough to get back into the swing with the native game after a short stint away

Well I'm basing it on the evidence of what I've seen with the history of returning players over the years. Very few have come back better gaelic footballers after a prolonged period away. Their body shapes change physically which have both negatives and positive consequences when transferring across to gaelic football. The kicking and handpassing style is much different in AFL.

If you want another example just look at the specky he went for in the game against Scotstown. Looked great for the cameras but ultimately resulted in a foul against his side. That shows that there is still an element of his play that lingers on from AFL.

Remember too that these guys when they're in Australia are training every day, will constantly have oval ball in hand, practising the skills. That is bound to have an impact over a few years and take away from what was previously second nature to them.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general_lee on December 14, 2021, 05:35:48 PM
Any predictions for the semi finals.

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly 
  7/4            13/2                8/13
Logic would say to go with the more experienced Derrygonnelly side here but I've a feeling Clan Eireann can pull a shock of here, but by the minimum.   

Glen             v                 Kilcoo   
4/7           7-1                15/8

Glen strong favourites for this. Kilcoo have struggled in the past against big physical sides like Glen. However they have some serious experience at this level and have real goal scoring threats. I think the bookies might be wrong on this one. Kilcoo by 3
I heard talk of maghera men backing Glen for Ulster before theyíd even won Derry. I think theyíll edge it. Other tie I think is more of a toss up - Derrygonnelly have the experience and attributes for winter football but CE have confidence and nothing to lose. They also donít know when theyíre beaten so DG could be 6 or so up and CE could still come back at them
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 14, 2021, 06:18:05 PM
Any predictions for the semi finals.

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly 
  7/4            13/2                8/13
Logic would say to go with the more experienced Derrygonnelly side here but I've a feeling Clan Eireann can pull a shock of here, but by the minimum.   

Glen             v                 Kilcoo   
4/7           7-1                15/8

Glen strong favourites for this. Kilcoo have struggled in the past against big physical sides like Glen. However they have some serious experience at this level and have real goal scoring threats. I think the bookies might be wrong on this one. Kilcoo by 3
I heard talk of maghera men backing Glen for Ulster before theyíd even won Derry. I think theyíll edge it. Other tie I think is more of a toss up - Derrygonnelly have the experience and attributes for winter football but CE have confidence and nothing to lose. They also donít know when theyíre beaten so DG could be 6 or so up and CE could still come back at them

BS. No one around the club backed us for Ulster. Kilcoo big favourites. Hopefully we can give them a game!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: the goal was on on December 14, 2021, 06:27:59 PM
That Kilcoo team was unreal just a season and a half ago, could have won an ireland against corofin. I think they'll win it this year. They have serious power and experience. Clann Eireann to win the other tie. Big pitch wont help derrygonnelly and dry conditions.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2021, 07:10:49 PM
That Kilcoo team was unreal just a season and a half ago, could have won an ireland against corofin. I think they'll win it this year. They have serious power and experience. Clann Eireann to win the other tie. Big pitch wont help derrygonnelly and dry conditions.

Is that what got them over the line the last day? Small pitch poor conditions?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on December 14, 2021, 07:42:14 PM
That Kilcoo team was unreal just a season and a half ago, could have won an ireland against corofin. I think they'll win it this year. They have serious power and experience. Clann Eireann to win the other tie. Big pitch wont help derrygonnelly and dry conditions.

Is that what got them over the line the last day? Small pitch poor conditions?

Sure ya know yourself, had it of been a dry summer day on a big pitch then Dromore would have bate Derrygonnelly out the gate!  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 14, 2021, 09:57:46 PM
I take Glen to beat Kilcoo to be honest, just too strong in the middle of the field, but they have in previous yrs blown hot and cold on any given day. So just depends which Glen team turns up.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on December 14, 2021, 10:15:18 PM
Kilcoo will love being underdogs and pundits bigging up Glen, every time people write them off they step it up again. I'd have the match more closer than the bookies think, Glen are a physically bigger team but think Kilcoo's running game can cause them problems. Kilcoo's Ulster championship know how can get them a win by a couple of points.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Truth hurts on December 15, 2021, 08:20:03 AM
 Kilcoo will win this, never underestimate them, you wont get a better price this year, fill your boots.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general on December 15, 2021, 09:25:06 AM
Any predictions for the semi finals.

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly 
  7/4            13/2                8/13
Logic would say to go with the more experienced Derrygonnelly side here but I've a feeling Clan Eireann can pull a shock of here, but by the minimum.   

Glen             v                 Kilcoo   
4/7           7-1                15/8

Glen strong favourites for this. Kilcoo have struggled in the past against big physical sides like Glen. However they have some serious experience at this level and have real goal scoring threats. I think the bookies might be wrong on this one. Kilcoo by 3
I heard talk of maghera men backing Glen for Ulster before theyíd even won Derry. I think theyíll edge it. Other tie I think is more of a toss up - Derrygonnelly have the experience and attributes for winter football but CE have confidence and nothing to lose. They also donít know when theyíre beaten so DG could be 6 or so up and CE could still come back at them

BS. No one around the club backed us for Ulster. Kilcoo big favourites. Hopefully we can give them a game!

I Call BS on your BS. I witnessed a derry native absolutley "lumping" on Glen for Ulster at PP in Newry!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 15, 2021, 09:31:56 AM
Kilcoo will win this, never underestimate them, you wont get a better price this year, fill your boots.

I think your right. Maybe put a saver on the draw!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 15, 2021, 09:58:42 AM
Kilcoo will win this, never underestimate them, you wont get a better price this year, fill your boots.
No idea how people are writing them off. Unless them Derry lads are taking a lead out of the Crossmaglen cute hoorism bookÖ
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 15, 2021, 10:47:27 AM
Kilcoo will win this, never underestimate them, you wont get a better price this year, fill your boots.
No idea how people are writing them off. Unless them Derry lads are taking a lead out of the Crossmaglen cute hoorism bookÖ

I hope notÖ.we have protected rights over that!

I remember when we won in 1996 and we played Blayney in the semis. All the talk was that Blayney would beat the crowd of kids from Cross as they had too much experience in Ulster. Men walked into Chums bar on the Square and lumped thousands on the table and asked men to match it, which they did. Was a costly game of football for some Monaghan men.

Whilst youíd generally go with the experienced team in these games I think in Glen and CE you have 2 up and coming teams who have it in them to make the final. I said before the Armagh final that I fancied CE to make the Ulster final and I was laughed at. I genuinely think they have the bounce this year to make it.

Glen remind me of my team. Physically strong, mobile and talented. If they get into their groove they can beat Kilcoo. The only thing about Kilcoo is that I think they can drag a game down to their terms and in Gillian they have a very clever manager. I reckon Glen will need to get a very strong start and pull out a 5-6 point lead as if it gets into a slug out then Kilcoo win.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 15, 2021, 12:34:27 PM
Any predictions for the semi finals.

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly 
  7/4            13/2                8/13
Logic would say to go with the more experienced Derrygonnelly side here but I've a feeling Clan Eireann can pull a shock of here, but by the minimum.   

Glen             v                 Kilcoo   
4/7           7-1                15/8

Glen strong favourites for this. Kilcoo have struggled in the past against big physical sides like Glen. However they have some serious experience at this level and have real goal scoring threats. I think the bookies might be wrong on this one. Kilcoo by 3
I heard talk of maghera men backing Glen for Ulster before theyíd even won Derry. I think theyíll edge it. Other tie I think is more of a toss up - Derrygonnelly have the experience and attributes for winter football but CE have confidence and nothing to lose. They also donít know when theyíre beaten so DG could be 6 or so up and CE could still come back at them

BS. No one around the club backed us for Ulster. Kilcoo big favourites. Hopefully we can give them a game!

I Call BS on your BS. I witnessed a derry native absolutley "lumping" on Glen for Ulster at PP in Newry!

So Maghera men to Derry native.....hmmmm
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Taylor on December 15, 2021, 12:52:35 PM
Any predictions for the semi finals.

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly 
  7/4            13/2                8/13
Logic would say to go with the more experienced Derrygonnelly side here but I've a feeling Clan Eireann can pull a shock of here, but by the minimum.   

Glen             v                 Kilcoo   
4/7           7-1                15/8

Glen strong favourites for this. Kilcoo have struggled in the past against big physical sides like Glen. However they have some serious experience at this level and have real goal scoring threats. I think the bookies might be wrong on this one. Kilcoo by 3
I heard talk of maghera men backing Glen for Ulster before theyíd even won Derry. I think theyíll edge it. Other tie I think is more of a toss up - Derrygonnelly have the experience and attributes for winter football but CE have confidence and nothing to lose. They also donít know when theyíre beaten so DG could be 6 or so up and CE could still come back at them

BS. No one around the club backed us for Ulster. Kilcoo big favourites. Hopefully we can give them a game!

But Kilcoo arent big favourites.

Glen are big favourites - not only to win this game but they are odds on to win the Ulster (at the semi final stage)

Spin it all you want - Glen are the ones to beat
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: rrhf on December 15, 2021, 01:55:20 PM
Any predictions for the semi finals.

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly 
  7/4            13/2                8/13
Logic would say to go with the more experienced Derrygonnelly side here but I've a feeling Clan Eireann can pull a shock of here, but by the minimum.   

Glen             v                 Kilcoo   
4/7           7-1                15/8

Glen strong favourites for this. Kilcoo have struggled in the past against big physical sides like Glen. However they have some serious experience at this level and have real goal scoring threats. I think the bookies might be wrong on this one. Kilcoo by 3
I heard talk of maghera men backing Glen for Ulster before theyíd even won Derry. I think theyíll edge it. Other tie I think is more of a toss up - Derrygonnelly have the experience and attributes for winter football but CE have confidence and nothing to lose. They also donít know when theyíre beaten so DG could be 6 or so up and CE could still come back at them

BS. No one around the club backed us for Ulster. Kilcoo big favourites. Hopefully we can give them a game!

I Call BS on your BS. I witnessed a derry native absolutley "lumping" on Glen for Ulster at PP in Newry!
What features makes a Derry native so distinctive that he stands out from the Down / Armagh people in Newry?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 15, 2021, 01:56:11 PM
Kilcoo will win this, never underestimate them, you wont get a better price this year, fill your boots.

I think your right. Maybe put a saver on the draw!

I think the draw is the safest bet based on those odds. Certainly wouldn't be backing Glen at those prices.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: toby47 on December 15, 2021, 03:56:03 PM
Kilcoo will win this, never underestimate them, you wont get a better price this year, fill your boots.

I most definitely won't be filling my boots on that one
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: HiMucker on December 16, 2021, 12:23:11 PM
I think Glass coming has made a big difference too.

Undoubtedly, great player and he still has the potential to get better. I think like most former AFL players returning it takes them a time to readjust to gaelic football but he is still at an age where he can get better. Looking at his body shape, it is fairly obvious what AFL done for him physically but the skill levels do need some time to readjust.

Never quite get this and its often put forward when lads come back from a short stint. The fella played Gaelic from 5-18, AFL from 18-22, he's 24 now, the skills are back, 6 months is enough to get back into the swing with the native game after a short stint away

Well I'm basing it on the evidence of what I've seen with the history of returning players over the years. Very few have come back better gaelic footballers after a prolonged period away. Their body shapes change physically which have both negatives and positive consequences when transferring across to gaelic football. The kicking and handpassing style is much different in AFL.

If you want another example just look at the specky he went for in the game against Scotstown. Looked great for the cameras but ultimately resulted in a foul against his side. That shows that there is still an element of his play that lingers on from AFL.
I hope your not on about the catch? Never in a million years was that a foul. An amazing fetch.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 16, 2021, 12:45:18 PM
I think Glass coming has made a big difference too.

Undoubtedly, great player and he still has the potential to get better. I think like most former AFL players returning it takes them a time to readjust to gaelic football but he is still at an age where he can get better. Looking at his body shape, it is fairly obvious what AFL done for him physically but the skill levels do need some time to readjust.

Never quite get this and its often put forward when lads come back from a short stint. The fella played Gaelic from 5-18, AFL from 18-22, he's 24 now, the skills are back, 6 months is enough to get back into the swing with the native game after a short stint away

Well I'm basing it on the evidence of what I've seen with the history of returning players over the years. Very few have come back better gaelic footballers after a prolonged period away. Their body shapes change physically which have both negatives and positive consequences when transferring across to gaelic football. The kicking and handpassing style is much different in AFL.

If you want another example just look at the specky he went for in the game against Scotstown. Looked great for the cameras but ultimately resulted in a foul against his side. That shows that there is still an element of his play that lingers on from AFL.
I hope your not on about the catch? Never in a million years was that a foul. An amazing fetch.
Is kneeing someone in the back not a foul?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: JoG2 on December 16, 2021, 12:53:22 PM
Any predictions for the semi finals.

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly 
  7/4            13/2                8/13
Logic would say to go with the more experienced Derrygonnelly side here but I've a feeling Clan Eireann can pull a shock of here, but by the minimum.   

Glen             v                 Kilcoo   
4/7           7-1                15/8

Glen strong favourites for this. Kilcoo have struggled in the past against big physical sides like Glen. However they have some serious experience at this level and have real goal scoring threats. I think the bookies might be wrong on this one. Kilcoo by 3
I heard talk of maghera men backing Glen for Ulster before theyíd even won Derry. I think theyíll edge it. Other tie I think is more of a toss up - Derrygonnelly have the experience and attributes for winter football but CE have confidence and nothing to lose. They also donít know when theyíre beaten so DG could be 6 or so up and CE could still come back at them

BS. No one around the club backed us for Ulster. Kilcoo big favourites. Hopefully we can give them a game!

But Kilcoo arent big favourites.

Glen are big favourites - not only to win this game but they are odds on to win the Ulster (at the semi final stage)

Spin it all you want - Glen are the ones to beat

A toss of a coin. Glen need to be extremely patience in possession. Match ups will be very interesting. McFaul will have the ears bent off him, just hope he keeps a calm head.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 16, 2021, 02:30:44 PM
I think Glass coming has made a big difference too.

Undoubtedly, great player and he still has the potential to get better. I think like most former AFL players returning it takes them a time to readjust to gaelic football but he is still at an age where he can get better. Looking at his body shape, it is fairly obvious what AFL done for him physically but the skill levels do need some time to readjust.

Never quite get this and its often put forward when lads come back from a short stint. The fella played Gaelic from 5-18, AFL from 18-22, he's 24 now, the skills are back, 6 months is enough to get back into the swing with the native game after a short stint away

Well I'm basing it on the evidence of what I've seen with the history of returning players over the years. Very few have come back better gaelic footballers after a prolonged period away. Their body shapes change physically which have both negatives and positive consequences when transferring across to gaelic football. The kicking and handpassing style is much different in AFL.

If you want another example just look at the specky he went for in the game against Scotstown. Looked great for the cameras but ultimately resulted in a foul against his side. That shows that there is still an element of his play that lingers on from AFL.
I hope your not on about the catch? Never in a million years was that a foul. An amazing fetch.

It was both. It was an amazing fetch but it was also a foul under gaelic football rules. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 16, 2021, 02:34:19 PM
Any predictions for the semi finals.

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly 
  7/4            13/2                8/13
Logic would say to go with the more experienced Derrygonnelly side here but I've a feeling Clan Eireann can pull a shock of here, but by the minimum.   

Glen             v                 Kilcoo   
4/7           7-1                15/8

Glen strong favourites for this. Kilcoo have struggled in the past against big physical sides like Glen. However they have some serious experience at this level and have real goal scoring threats. I think the bookies might be wrong on this one. Kilcoo by 3
I heard talk of maghera men backing Glen for Ulster before theyíd even won Derry. I think theyíll edge it. Other tie I think is more of a toss up - Derrygonnelly have the experience and attributes for winter football but CE have confidence and nothing to lose. They also donít know when theyíre beaten so DG could be 6 or so up and CE could still come back at them

BS. No one around the club backed us for Ulster. Kilcoo big favourites. Hopefully we can give them a game!

But Kilcoo arent big favourites.

Glen are big favourites - not only to win this game but they are odds on to win the Ulster (at the semi final stage)

Spin it all you want - Glen are the ones to beat

A toss of a coin. Glen need to be extremely patience in possession. Match ups will be very interesting. McFaul will have the ears bent off him, just hope he keeps a calm head.

I presume that you mean that Kilcoo will be out to rough McFaul up? I think he is well fit for anything Kilcoo throw at him, he is up there with the best players in Ulster on current form. It will be interesting to see if he picks up Jerome Johnstone as both players like to play their own game and I don't think Glen can afford to restrict McFaul to simply a man marking role. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 16, 2021, 04:15:27 PM
Any predictions for the semi finals.

Clann Eireann v Derrygonnelly 
  7/4            13/2                8/13
Logic would say to go with the more experienced Derrygonnelly side here but I've a feeling Clan Eireann can pull a shock of here, but by the minimum.   

Glen             v                 Kilcoo   
4/7           7-1                15/8

Glen strong favourites for this. Kilcoo have struggled in the past against big physical sides like Glen. However they have some serious experience at this level and have real goal scoring threats. I think the bookies might be wrong on this one. Kilcoo by 3
I heard talk of maghera men backing Glen for Ulster before theyíd even won Derry. I think theyíll edge it. Other tie I think is more of a toss up - Derrygonnelly have the experience and attributes for winter football but CE have confidence and nothing to lose. They also donít know when theyíre beaten so DG could be 6 or so up and CE could still come back at them

BS. No one around the club backed us for Ulster. Kilcoo big favourites. Hopefully we can give them a game!

But Kilcoo arent big favourites.

Glen are big favourites - not only to win this game but they are odds on to win the Ulster (at the semi final stage)

Spin it all you want - Glen are the ones to beat

A toss of a coin. Glen need to be extremely patience in possession. Match ups will be very interesting. McFaul will have the ears bent off him, just hope he keeps a calm head.

Lolz when did he not keep a calm head. He's a seasoned intercounty footballer!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 16, 2021, 04:41:44 PM
He won't have faced anything like he will against kilcoo. They'll be like flies round shite. They won't allow him to dictate things. Same for Glass.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 16, 2021, 10:55:56 PM
They haven't got anybody fit for Glass.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 16, 2021, 11:03:44 PM
They haven't got anybody fit for Glass.

Has he been setting world in fire so far. Some pup but not main player. I think Kilcoo will won unfortunately
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tbrick18 on December 17, 2021, 10:58:19 AM
My head says Glen over Kilcoo, but there's that niggling doubt there.
Kilcco have been there and done it, Mickey Moran and Gilligan will know Glen intimately and so the combination of experience and knowledge of the opponents could swing it their way.
I'd expect a tight game, maybe even extra time. But I think Glen will edge it by a couple of points.
It would be very difficult to curtail Glass and McFaul for an entire game whilst still trying to get scores. Jack Doherty and Danny Tallon are two serious footballers too.
It's the game of the championship so far.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Taylor on December 17, 2021, 11:01:21 AM
So many people looking forward to this and blowing the game up.

Its going to be a shitshow isnt it  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 17, 2021, 11:12:45 AM
So many people looking forward to this and blowing the game up.

Its going to be a shitshow isnt it  ;D
It wonít be one for the purists given itís Kilcoo playing+itís mid December. But it will be a complete dogfight and a close game that will go to the wire.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 17, 2021, 01:33:53 PM
My head says Glen over Kilcoo, but there's that niggling doubt there.
Kilcco have been there and done it, Mickey Moran and Gilligan will know Glen intimately and so the combination of experience and knowledge of the opponents could swing it their way.
I'd expect a tight game, maybe even extra time. But I think Glen will edge it by a couple of points.
It would be very difficult to curtail Glass and McFaul for an entire game whilst still trying to get scores. Jack Doherty and Danny Tallon are two serious footballers too.
It's the game of the championship so far.

Whatís McFaulís temperament like? Kilcoo will test the team on a few fronts lol
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on December 17, 2021, 02:06:29 PM
He won't have faced anything like he will against kilcoo. They'll be like flies round shite. They won't allow him to dictate things. Same for Glass.

He will have faced better teams than Kilcoo throughout the years.  There will be nothing new in this game that he hasnt faced before.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: toby47 on December 17, 2021, 04:41:27 PM
Speaking to BBC Sport NI, Chrissy McKaigue says he sees Glen as favourites for this weekendís clash against the 2019 Ulster champions who were 11-point winners over Ramor United of Cavan last time out.

"Malachy and Ryan Porter have them going incredibly well," he said. "The only thing is they are playing against seasoned campaigners, the reigning Ulster champions.

"I do firmly believe that Kilcoo and Glen in another (competition) structure could be in an All-Ireland final - never mind a provincial semi-final.

"I wouldn't be surprised if Kilcoo take them down the stretch and might nip them.

"But I've got to be honest in that I see it as Glen being just about favourites because, some of the players, and the way they are playing as a collective, is absolutely awesome."
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 17, 2021, 04:56:51 PM
Kilcoo be favourites as champions and having made an all Ireland final, but there going to be little in it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on December 17, 2021, 06:31:01 PM
Kilcoo be favourites as champions and having made an all Ireland final, but there going to be little in it
not according to the bookies and majority of pundits, Glen clear favourites at short enough odds.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 17, 2021, 06:34:50 PM
He won't have faced anything like he will against kilcoo. They'll be like flies round shite. They won't allow him to dictate things. Same for Glass.

He will have faced better teams than Kilcoo throughout the years.  There will be nothing new in this game that he hasnt faced before.

I donít think the comment was in reference to the quality of footballer heíd be up against.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on December 17, 2021, 08:43:01 PM
He won't have faced anything like he will against kilcoo. They'll be like flies round shite. They won't allow him to dictate things. Same for Glass.

He will have faced better teams than Kilcoo throughout the years.  There will be nothing new in this game that he hasnt faced before.

I donít think the comment was in reference to the quality of footballer heíd be up against.

By better I meant in all aspects of the game - how Kilcoo approach/play the game is not unique.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: befair on December 17, 2021, 08:46:53 PM
He won't have faced anything like he will against kilcoo. They'll be like flies round shite. They won't allow him to dictate things. Same for Glass.

He will have faced better teams than Kilcoo throughout the years.  There will be nothing new in this game that he hasnt faced before.

I donít think the comment was in reference to the quality of footballer heíd be up against.

By better I meant in all aspects of the game - how Kilcoo approach/play the game is not unique.

Much depends on whether Daryl Brannigan is fit; the best club player in Down for years, he really drives Kilcoo on from centre-half back. They are probably still a decent bet at 7/4, game is probably even money.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general_lee on December 18, 2021, 10:58:16 AM
Really fascinating tie tomorrow, on the field and the sideline between shrewd operators wearing the bainisteoir bibs. Still think Glen will edge it, but only just. Tonightís tie will also be interesting, DG rightly favourites and will take some stopping, CE need to be on top of their game to stand a chance, think conditions might favour their style of play more than it will DG
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 18, 2021, 02:49:44 PM
Really fascinating tie tomorrow, on the field and the sideline between shrewd operators wearing the bainisteoir bibs. Still think Glen will edge it, but only just. Tonightís tie will also be interesting, DG rightly favourites and will take some stopping, CE need to be on top of their game to stand a chance, think conditions might favour their style of play more than it will DG

Have the conditions changed since their last game? Weather is dry not too cold either, id say is brilliant conditions
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: lenny on December 18, 2021, 06:43:42 PM
Really fascinating tie tomorrow, on the field and the sideline between shrewd operators wearing the bainisteoir bibs. Still think Glen will edge it, but only just. Tonightís tie will also be interesting, DG rightly favourites and will take some stopping, CE need to be on top of their game to stand a chance, think conditions might favour their style of play more than it will DG

Have the conditions changed since their last game? Weather is dry not too cold either, id say is brilliant conditions

I fancy Derrygonnelly for this one.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 18, 2021, 06:45:55 PM
Desperate start for Clan Eireann.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: armaghniac on December 18, 2021, 06:48:55 PM
Desperate start for Clan Eireann.

They have allowed too much of a lead for their usual Houdini act.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 18, 2021, 06:56:59 PM
Inexperience at Ulster does make a big difference.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general_lee on December 18, 2021, 07:02:34 PM
Silly second yellow to pick up when youíre cruising
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 18, 2021, 07:07:03 PM
Inexperience at Ulster does make a big difference.
Clan Eireann looking a bit lost alright.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on December 18, 2021, 07:09:27 PM
Thought the second yellow was abit harsh.  Clann Eireann will be doing well to overturn that deficit, even with the extra man.  Early goal for them would make it interesting though in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: PMG1 on December 18, 2021, 07:10:03 PM
Silly second yellow to pick up when youíre cruising
Very harsh, CE man was pulling his jersey as he went in to make the tackle and put him off balance which made it look clumsy, could be a game changer
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on December 18, 2021, 07:11:10 PM
Silly second yellow to pick up when youíre cruising
Very harsh, CE man was pulling his jersey as he went in to make the tackle and put him off balance which made it look clumsy, could be a game changer

That's how it looked to me
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on December 18, 2021, 07:14:52 PM
Creggan were eight up. Can they do the same??
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 18, 2021, 07:23:34 PM
That was two new teams, these lads will not let that lead go
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 18, 2021, 07:42:13 PM
 :great goal there, spare man making a difference but the fermanagh men been here before.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 18, 2021, 07:43:21 PM
Hate the way players go down now trying to get men booked or send off, Not very manly as Colm O'Rourke would say.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 18, 2021, 07:50:03 PM
Bad hit there, no attempt to remotely play the ball.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Gael85 on December 18, 2021, 07:54:15 PM
Hate the way players go down now trying to get men booked or send off, Not very manly as Colm O'Rourke would say.

It a blight on every game hurling or football.  If a lad goes down holding head leave him out off pitch 10/15 minutes to get assessed.  2 Naas lads went down holding after committing dangerous tackles which saved them getting the line.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on December 18, 2021, 07:59:02 PM
Great win for Derrygonnelly...fully deserved
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on December 18, 2021, 08:00:23 PM
Clan Eireann a wee bit agriculture in the shooting fair play to Derrygonnelly. I knew the second that frontal challenge went in he was off. Blunt trauma to the chest can be very dangerous.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on December 18, 2021, 08:03:38 PM
Clann Eireann boss giving Derrygonnelly a team talk lol
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general_lee on December 18, 2021, 08:04:43 PM
Derrygonnelly deserved that much more economical up top. CE far too naive in first half, had they brought the shooting boots might have nicked it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: David McKeown on December 18, 2021, 08:04:57 PM
Derrygonnelly completely deserved that. Fair play to Clann Eireann. Itís great to see their years of hard work paying off. I remember attending an u8 training session in 2004 or 2005 with my brother and nephew. I remember being told at that session that my nephew would only likely play for the B team at underage because they were building a team to win the Armagh Championship by 2020 and the All Ireland by 2025. Whilst they may or may not meet those goals they have fairly given it a rattle.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 18, 2021, 08:05:04 PM
Be alright if he hit him in the chest, he got maybe a yellow, he he hit him on the head as few replays showed there.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on December 18, 2021, 08:05:59 PM
Clann Eireann boss giving Derrygonnelly a team talk lol
Aye kind of funny never seen that before. Good auld game some great scores.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: onefineday on December 18, 2021, 08:12:16 PM
Derrygonnelly completely deserved that. Fair play to Clann Eireann. Itís great to see their years of hard work paying off. I remember attending an u8 training session in 2004 or 2005 with my brother and nephew. I remember being told at that session that my nephew would only likely play for the B team at underage because they were building a team to win the Armagh Championship by 2020 and the All Ireland by 2025. Whilst they may or may not meet those goals they have fairly given it a rattle.

What a ludicrous thing to say to an 8 year old.  Few things get me more rattled than that type of shite.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 18, 2021, 08:41:01 PM
Inexperience at Ulster does make a big difference.

Definitely does. It's a pity about that start, Clan Eireann could have run them a lot closer.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on December 18, 2021, 08:51:26 PM
Derrygonnelly completely deserved that. Fair play to Clann Eireann. Itís great to see their years of hard work paying off. I remember attending an u8 training session in 2004 or 2005 with my brother and nephew. I remember being told at that session that my nephew would only likely play for the B team at underage because they were building a team to win the Armagh Championship by 2020 and the All Ireland by 2025. Whilst they may or may not meet those goals they have fairly given it a rattle.

What a ludicrous thing to say to an 8 year old.  Few things get me more rattled than that type of shite.
100%, ridiculous.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on December 18, 2021, 08:55:56 PM
Does that , or did that, derrygonnelly centre half back ever play for Fermanagh? He seems like a hardy boy and a good footballer too.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on December 18, 2021, 09:10:47 PM
Is Tyrone not the best championship in Ireland? Creating more buzz than the FIFA world cup, surely they are favourites?

Apparently it is but I've yet to see any evidence of that, has a senior club team from Tyrone even got to Croke park?

In fairness they have quality players but because the championship (straight knockout so limited games) is so intense they are fecked afterwards

Well that excuse doesn't exist this year.
They have 3 weeks and the Fermanagh final is this weekend so that's wee buns for them .
They then play the winners of the Antrim v Armagh game and they are both basically first time winners.
So they will be well rested for the final and they will probably play a team who has had at least 2 very tough games .
Dromore's to lose.
After all it's the best club championship in Ireland

Mind you with the strength of the Fermanagh club championship we can expect the county to be winning a first Ulster any day now, or maybe a championship match for starters.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Ed Ricketts on December 18, 2021, 09:13:50 PM
Derrygonnelly completely deserved that. Fair play to Clann Eireann. Itís great to see their years of hard work paying off. I remember attending an u8 training session in 2004 or 2005 with my brother and nephew. I remember being told at that session that my nephew would only likely play for the B team at underage because they were building a team to win the Armagh Championship by 2020 and the All Ireland by 2025. Whilst they may or may not meet those goals they have fairly given it a rattle.

What a ludicrous thing to say to an 8 year old.  Few things get me more rattled than that type of shite.
100%, ridiculous.

Sound more like something the club gobshite would come out with rather than anyone of consequence.

Thereís no way CE would have achieved what they have over the last decade while writing off 8 year olds.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 18, 2021, 09:22:44 PM
Does that , or did that, derrygonnelly centre half back ever play for Fermanagh? He seems like a hardy boy and a good footballer too.

Declan  cassidy?
Sounds familiar re the county team
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on December 18, 2021, 09:57:53 PM
Yeah. Looked like a very good player but couldnít recall seeing him for the county.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on December 18, 2021, 10:02:12 PM
Declan Cassidy - think he was on a couple of McKenna cup panels (talking 13/14 years ago) previously.  Always been reknown as a very good club footballer in Fermanagh and actually won senior footballer of the year at recent fermanagh allstar awards.  He's going rightly for a boy of 38.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on December 18, 2021, 10:03:29 PM
Actually think Derrygonnelly would have seen that match to conclusion far more comfortably had they not went down to 14.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 18, 2021, 10:24:47 PM
Is Tyrone not the best championship in Ireland? Creating more buzz than the FIFA world cup, surely they are favourites?

Apparently it is but I've yet to see any evidence of that, has a senior club team from Tyrone even got to Croke park?

In fairness they have quality players but because the championship (straight knockout so limited games) is so intense they are fecked afterwards

Well that excuse doesn't exist this year.
They have 3 weeks and the Fermanagh final is this weekend so that's wee buns for them .
They then play the winners of the Antrim v Armagh game and they are both basically first time winners.
So they will be well rested for the final and they will probably play a team who has had at least 2 very tough games .
Dromore's to lose.
After all it's the best club championship in Ireland

Mind you with the strength of the Fermanagh club championship we can expect the county to be winning a first Ulster any day now, or maybe a championship match for starters.

Fermanagh have been beating Tyrone club teams for years, county teams different, but youíre intelligent enough to know that?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on December 18, 2021, 10:31:31 PM
Fair play to DG. No complaints about that at all. Their experience showed. That said if the ball broke differently a couple of times and a bit better decision making on a couple of decisions it could be us looking forward to the final.
On the DG red card I felt the lad was unlucky. That rule needs to be readdressed. Didnít see what McCarthy done to get sent off, it was on the opposite side of the pitch to where I was
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Lucifer on December 18, 2021, 10:52:23 PM
Does that , or did that, derrygonnelly centre half back ever play for Fermanagh? He seems like a hardy boy and a good footballer too.
Hardy? Went down holding his face after a push in the chest. Par for the course I suppose but hardy, no.

Was this the incident with Turbitt? It was relatively harmless but it was a push with contact to the face and whilst Cassidy remonstrated with the ref, he certainly didn't go down and unfortunately we're at a stage where that is actually commendable in itself.

If there was another incident then I apologise ...

Well done Derrygonnelly, fully deserving of their place in the final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Gold on December 18, 2021, 11:22:54 PM
Declan Cassidy - think he was on a couple of McKenna cup panels (talking 13/14 years ago) previously.  Always been reknown as a very good club footballer in Fermanagh and actually won senior footballer of the year at recent fermanagh allstar awards.  He's going rightly for a boy of 38.

Should've played for years. 100mph Hardy boy, great footballer but his brother Kevin who played till aged about 43 last year was arguably the best forward in Fermanagh for 20 years but never played County.

Derrygonnelly were class and well worth their victory. Laverty wrong to give the 2nd yellow, the pull meant McGullion slipped into the man , bad miss by the ref.....could've changed the game, DG did well to hang on
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: David McKeown on December 18, 2021, 11:27:28 PM
Derrygonnelly completely deserved that. Fair play to Clann Eireann. Itís great to see their years of hard work paying off. I remember attending an u8 training session in 2004 or 2005 with my brother and nephew. I remember being told at that session that my nephew would only likely play for the B team at underage because they were building a team to win the Armagh Championship by 2020 and the All Ireland by 2025. Whilst they may or may not meet those goals they have fairly given it a rattle.

What a ludicrous thing to say to an 8 year old.  Few things get me more rattled than that type of shite.
100%, ridiculous.

Sound more like something the club gobshite would come out with rather than anyone of consequence.

Thereís no way CE would have achieved what they have over the last decade while writing off 8 year olds.

To be fair I donít think they were so much wiring him off as saying weíve picked the 20 kids or whatever and we want to focus on them and wonít be chopping and changing or giving everyone an equal run out but heís free to join our secondary team which will be more about making sure everyone plays a similar amount.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: FermGael on December 19, 2021, 09:00:01 AM
Derrygonnelly I thought were good last night and were no where near top gear.
The return of Shane McGullion up front has given them a new dimension . Again it's just a pity they don't have Micheal Gylnn available .

They have an excellent midfield , two reliable free takers and a very good defence. They have a good bench as well
They will give Kilcoo or Glen a serious test.
They should have beaten Kilcoo a few years ago only for some poor goal keeping .
Whoever wins the other semi final will be massive favourites.
Derrygonnelly will be a tough nut for then to crack simply because todays game is being billed as nearly an all Ireland final
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general_lee on December 19, 2021, 09:21:11 AM
DG never really looked in danger but very uncharacteristic from CE, gave away as many goals in ten mins as they had all year in championship football. Add to that the forwards, which is where their strength lies, didnít step up to the plate, failed to break lines and missed too many easy chances. Even down to 14 men DG had enough about them to see the game out when CE could have possibly capitalised. DG definitely have it in them to take either team in the semi final but Iíd still have them as slight underdogs
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: redzone on December 19, 2021, 09:30:39 AM
Has Michael Gylnn ever played for Derrygonnelly. I don't remember ever seeing his name for them in team sheets.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: FermGael on December 19, 2021, 09:33:54 AM
DG never really looked in danger but very uncharacteristic from CE, gave away as many goals in ten mins as they had all year in championship football. Add to that the forwards, which is where their strength lies, didnít step up to the plate, failed to break lines and missed too many easy chances. Even down to 14 men DG had enough about them to see the game out when CE could have possibly capitalised. DG definitely have it in them to take either team in the semi final but Iíd still have them as slight underdogs

They are 3/1 at the moment for it
Glenn are 4/5
Kilcoo 2/1.

They will be massive underdogs with the bookies

Not sure if Gylnn has played a senior championship game for DG.
Am sure he has played league games .

Declan Cassidy probably should have played county football for Fermanagh but over the past 20 years Fermanaghs strength has been our half backs . We have had alot of very good players in that position..
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2021, 09:57:22 AM
If yesterdayís game has given us any indication as to how todayís game will go itís one thing, experience in this competition means a lot.

The good thing for Glen is they have had two games already, thatís more than some teams get in ten years!!  So while I think they have plenty potential this game will be a huge test, and itís only a semi, not the Ďreal finalí as itís been mentioned in the media by people.

Looking forward to it, if Kilcoo win theyíll be, in my book, too good for Derrygonnelly, if Glen win I expect the final to be very close
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Throw ball on December 19, 2021, 10:15:48 AM
Declan Cassidy - think he was on a couple of McKenna cup panels (talking 13/14 years ago) previously.  Always been reknown as a very good club footballer in Fermanagh and actually won senior footballer of the year at recent fermanagh allstar awards.  He's going rightly for a boy of 38.

Should've played for years. 100mph Hardy boy, great footballer but his brother Kevin who played till aged about 43 last year was arguably the best forward in Fermanagh for 20 years but never played County.

Derrygonnelly were class and well worth their victory. Laverty wrong to give the 2nd yellow, the pull meant McGullion slipped into the man , bad miss by the ref.....could've changed the game, DG did well to hang on

To be fair to the referee I think he got DG red correct. If I am not mistaken the rule is the player making the tackle has to make sure he doesn't connect with the head - even accidentally as in this case. The minimum penalty is a yellow card. I think it was introduced for health and safety reasons.

As for match CE are much better than they looked but DG got off to a great start and used their experience.  A well deserved win. It would be good to see them win Ulster.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on December 19, 2021, 11:08:27 AM
Declan Cassidy - think he was on a couple of McKenna cup panels (talking 13/14 years ago) previously.  Always been reknown as a very good club footballer in Fermanagh and actually won senior footballer of the year at recent fermanagh allstar awards.  He's going rightly for a boy of 38.

Should've played for years. 100mph Hardy boy, great footballer but his brother Kevin who played till aged about 43 last year was arguably the best forward in Fermanagh for 20 years but never played County.

Derrygonnelly were class and well worth their victory. Laverty wrong to give the 2nd yellow, the pull meant McGullion slipped into the man , bad miss by the ref.....could've changed the game, DG did well to hang on

To be fair to the referee I think he got DG red correct. If I am not mistaken the rule is the player making the tackle has to make sure he doesn't connect with the head - even accidentally as in this case. The minimum penalty is a yellow card. I think it was introduced for health and safety reasons.

As for match CE are much better than they looked but DG got off to a great start and used their experience.  A well deserved win. It would be good to see them win Ulster.

I think that rule needs looking at. Look at the yellow TK got and the yellow the DG 8 got. Both under the same rule but two very different tackles which didnít merit the same punishment
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: charlieTully on December 19, 2021, 11:11:13 AM
Is today's game available to watch anywhere?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 19, 2021, 11:17:44 AM
Is today's game available to watch anywhere?
https://www.gaago.ie/fixture/PL5-21-F-46

Its on gaago but i'm not sure what the stream would be like. Has anybody else used this before?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 19, 2021, 11:29:16 AM
Is today's game available to watch anywhere?

Tg4 at 5.30
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: snoopdog on December 19, 2021, 11:32:15 AM
Is today's game available to watch anywhere?

Tg4 at 5.30
That's deferred highlights.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: on the sideline on December 19, 2021, 11:37:30 AM
Has Michael Gylnn ever played for Derrygonnelly. I don't remember ever seeing his name for them in team sheets.

He played last year.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 19, 2021, 11:41:41 AM
Is today's game available to watch anywhere?

Tg4 at 5.30
That's deferred highlights.

Not highlights its the full game
Avoid the score and watch it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: FermGael on December 19, 2021, 11:55:56 AM
The gaago may not work for Irish users.
Iptv will have it

It's available here through

https://www.beosport.live/packages/ulster-sfc-semi-final-glen-v-kilcoo/videos/ulster-sfc-semi-final-glen-v-kilcoo (https://www.beosport.live/packages/ulster-sfc-semi-final-glen-v-kilcoo/videos/ulster-sfc-semi-final-glen-v-kilcoo)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 19, 2021, 12:22:33 PM
Is today's game available to watch anywhere?
Yeah in Armagh;) I think itís on GAA
GO?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 19, 2021, 01:09:37 PM
Who do the ulster winners play in the AI semi final ?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Harold Disgracey on December 19, 2021, 04:07:59 PM
The gaago may not work for Irish users.
Iptv will have it

It's available here through

https://www.beosport.live/packages/ulster-sfc-semi-final-glen-v-kilcoo/videos/ulster-sfc-semi-final-glen-v-kilcoo (https://www.beosport.live/packages/ulster-sfc-semi-final-glen-v-kilcoo/videos/ulster-sfc-semi-final-glen-v-kilcoo)

Watching it now on GAAGO.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 19, 2021, 04:46:04 PM
0-4 each at the break a hard game to call.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 19, 2021, 04:49:13 PM
0-4 each at the break a hard game to call.

And a hard game to watch. Probably should have expected this though, Kilcoo know no other way.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Mourne Red on December 19, 2021, 04:50:39 PM
0-4 each at the break a hard game to call.

And a hard game to watch. Probably should have expected this though, Kilcoo know no other way.

Awhh now come on, Both as bad as each other.. Glenn have had 14 men behind the ball whenever Kilcoo beat the first press
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 19, 2021, 05:00:58 PM
0-4 each at the break a hard game to call.

And a hard game to watch. Probably should have expected this though, Kilcoo know no other way.

Awhh now come on, Both as bad as each other.. Glenn have had 14 men behind the ball whenever Kilcoo beat the first press

Iím not saying they donít but it makes for an incredibly dour spectacle when both sides set up in this manner.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on December 19, 2021, 05:07:25 PM
Kilcoo always just seem to be able to stay ahead.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 19, 2021, 05:08:03 PM
 Say if Kilcoo came out to play fball Glen do likewise. To beat this Donegal style of defensive fball you have to match it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 19, 2021, 05:11:43 PM
Dogfight. A goal will most likely win it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 19, 2021, 05:31:25 PM
Not a wonder people watch hurling
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 19, 2021, 05:32:10 PM
Extra-time required 0-8 each.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 19, 2021, 05:32:52 PM
Both sides terrified of losing it seems.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Harold Disgracey on December 19, 2021, 05:39:11 PM
Enjoying the commentary on GAAGOí ĎJesus, hurry up lads!í
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on December 19, 2021, 05:52:10 PM
Some goal from Jerome Johnson
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 19, 2021, 05:56:04 PM
Could be the goal that wins it, big score in a game like this.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 19, 2021, 06:05:52 PM
The lad with the legging not like the cold or sthing, must be the only guy playing Gaelic fball wearing them.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 19, 2021, 06:11:58 PM
Glen: 0-11 Kilcoo: 1-11 result after extra time
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 19, 2021, 06:16:07 PM
The lad with the legging not like the cold or sthing, must be the only guy playing Gaelic fball wearing them.

I used to slag them boys but in later years I'd say fair play , injury prevention as much y anything else
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 19, 2021, 06:47:00 PM
Experience at this level makes a big difference, Kilcoo played in 9 ulster clubs in 10yrs, Glen's first foray. With no guarantee to even get out of Derry next year.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 19, 2021, 06:48:17 PM
From watching the game on tg4 the ref got in the way a few times,
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: bennydorano on December 19, 2021, 07:03:29 PM
Big  big crowd, cowl as f**k, poor game. While the keeper's mistake was obviously crucial I thought Kilcoo were a slightly better side tbh, Glen a bit young & green maybe and they didnt have a marquee forward today.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 19, 2021, 07:36:37 PM
As a neutral
Absolute pish
Waited until half 5 to watch it " live "
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Ghost on December 19, 2021, 07:45:01 PM
Might not agree with the way they play but there can be no complaints about the result. If kilcoo had of lost they would have been kicking themselves. Should have put them away in normal time.

That glen team will be back right enough

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2021, 07:46:00 PM
Two experienced teams in the final, best team won today.

There was some amount of clotheslineíing going on during that match
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on December 19, 2021, 07:56:47 PM
Real Ulster club football battle there, Kilcoo's greater experience and know how got them a probably deserved win. Jerome Johnston was kept pretty quiet but one slip and he was in. Kilcoo always seem to do enough to get the win. Miceal Rooney deserved man of the match I thought.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 19, 2021, 08:01:19 PM
I actually thought it was an interesting tactical battle. I thought Glen were well in control in extra time and would have went on to win until the keepers mistake.
   In a game with scores hard to come by that was a killer. Brilliant finish by Jerome.
   Kilcoo bypassed midfield which helped to reduce Glass's impact. I thought he (Glass) was terrific though and along with mcFaul kept Glen in the game.
     Will be a very similar final!
   
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Throw ball on December 19, 2021, 08:05:07 PM
As a neutral
Absolute pish
Waited until half 5 to watch it " live "

100%

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 19, 2021, 08:09:05 PM
Thought Glass was the best player on the pitch. Why they went short for the kick out when they were doing well at Midfield was strange. Kilcoo are a very fit team but may struggle with that big crokes team if they met them.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 19, 2021, 08:18:44 PM
Entertaining at times, shite at others. Both teams in serious shape
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: The Trap on December 19, 2021, 08:21:55 PM
Feck me lads if you didn't find that game enjoyable and intriguing to watch you may find another sport.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on December 19, 2021, 08:34:36 PM
Feck me lads if you didn't find that game enjoyable and intriguing to watch you may find another sport.
thought it was good watch myself, real battle between 2 good teams.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 19, 2021, 08:41:06 PM
The final will be a repeat of the 2019 semi final when Derrygonnrlly beat themselves with the amount of gilt edged chances they missed. I think it will be another close fought low scoring arm wrestle but again that suits Kilcoo down to the ground. They have a weakness around the middle but still very few teams seem capable of exploiting this.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on December 19, 2021, 08:55:05 PM
Feck me lads if you didn't find that game enjoyable and intriguing to watch you may find another sport.

When's the bowls on or when does Wimbledon start ?
That wasn't gaelic
Fuckin dung it was
If people found it intriguing and enjoyable well then each to their own..
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tbrick18 on December 19, 2021, 08:58:10 PM
That was a woeful game. Kilcoo set up with everyone behind the ball and then counter.

Glen missed an awful lot of easy ish scores in normal time, so even though the keeper error gifted kilcoo a goal I think Glen really should have won it in normal time..

Kilcoo will be hard to beat, but they are hard to watch.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 19, 2021, 09:00:41 PM
Feck me lads if you didn't find that game enjoyable and intriguing to watch you may find another sport.

When's the bowls on or when does Wimbledon start ?
That wasn't gaelic
Fuckin dung it was
If people found it intriguing and enjoyable well then each to their own..

I suspect it was due to the scores being close, it kept me watching what was an otherwise rugby league like contest. Bouts of safe possession and 2 sides scared of making mistakes. Johnstoneís goal was a rare moment of risk taking in an otherwise forgettable match.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: square_ball on December 19, 2021, 09:04:42 PM
Real Ulster club football battle there, Kilcoo's greater experience and know how got them a probably deserved win. Jerome Johnston was kept pretty quiet but one slip and he was in. Kilcoo always seem to do enough to get the win. Miceal Rooney deserved man of the match I thought.

What does this mean in non cliche practical terms? Hear this all the time about this famous Ulster club experience. Kilcoo scored a game defining goal following a poor kick out. That was the difference in the sides in a poor match. Experience? Itís means sweet FA.

Dessie Dolan another man uses this dung all the time. An older player scores Ďuses his experienceí then a younger player misses Ďshows his inexperienceí. As I say itís cliched nonsense.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2021, 09:13:36 PM
Ok so experience counts for nothing, both teams in the final funnily enough are regular teams in the Ulster championship.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 19, 2021, 09:23:06 PM
Thought Glass was the best player on the pitch. Why they went short for the kick out when they were doing well at Midfield was strange. Kilcoo are a very fit team but may struggle with that big crokes team if they met them.

Yes i thought that was very odd as well given their dominance in midfield. Glass made a few driving runs and seemed to open the Kilcoo defence up at will, but that didnt happen enough.
       One thing very noticeable was all the Kilcoo players very comfortable in possession and able to carry out of trouble.
      It would be a very different game if they met the like of Kilmacud, but not Derrygonnelly.
     A number of positives for Kilcoo being able to bring on very experienced players like the 2 Brannigans and Greenan.
    Kilcoo will be delighted. Glen best team in the competition and now knocked out.
       
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 19, 2021, 09:25:18 PM
Game was terrible to watch in all honestly, went and made my dinner around the 40th min mark and may have come bck and not missed a score.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Mario on December 19, 2021, 09:28:04 PM
Thought Glen looked like they were going to win the game in the period just before they conceded that goal. Ultimately that mistake was difference in two teams. Kilcoo are a very hard team to beat, have a few fliers in their team as well but I don't like watching them at all.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on December 19, 2021, 09:39:07 PM
Thought Glass was the best player on the pitch. Why they went short for the kick out when they were doing well at Midfield was strange. Kilcoo are a very fit team but may struggle with that big crokes team if they met them.

Yes i thought that was very odd as well given their dominance in midfield. Glass made a few driving runs and seemed to open the Kilcoo defence up at will, but that didnt happen enough.
       One thing very noticeable was all the Kilcoo players very comfortable in possession and able to carry out of trouble.
      It would be a very different game if they met the like of Kilmacud, but not Derrygonnelly.
     A number of positives for Kilcoo being able to bring on very experienced players like the 2 Brannigans and Greenan.
    Kilcoo will be delighted. Glen best team in the competition and now knocked out.
       
glen best team in competition? They may be in years to come but not this year, that will be going to kilcoo or Derrygonnelly. After all the hype I was disappointed with Glen.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 19, 2021, 09:50:44 PM
Glen were only going to win the game if Glass dominated midfield. He hit one fine free, and got a brilliant point from play, but was otherwise crowded out of it and seldom managed a forward run. Even if Kilcoo had not come up with the goal, their pace and calmness in possession would have got them over the line.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: square_ball on December 19, 2021, 10:02:00 PM
Ok so experience counts for nothing, both teams in the final funnily enough are regular teams in the Ulster championship.

Both teams are in the final because they are good teams. What did experience have to do with Conal Jones nailing a 40m free with the last kick v Dromore or a goalkeeping mistake resulting in a goal for Kilcoo. Come on Iím all ears.  The most overused term in sport is this Ďexperienceí nonsense.

Just maybe and I may be barking up the wrong tree here but Derrygonnelly are a better side than Dromore and Clann Eireann and Kilcoo are a better team than Ramor Utd and Glen. Or maybe Iím totally wrong and they just won because theyíve played in the competition a few more times.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 19, 2021, 10:02:35 PM
Thought Glass was the best player on the pitch. Why they went short for the kick out when they were doing well at Midfield was strange. Kilcoo are a very fit team but may struggle with that big crokes team if they met them.

Yes i thought that was very odd as well given their dominance in midfield. Glass made a few driving runs and seemed to open the Kilcoo defence up at will, but that didnt happen enough.
       One thing very noticeable was all the Kilcoo players very comfortable in possession and able to carry out of trouble.
      It would be a very different game if they met the like of Kilmacud, but not Derrygonnelly.
     A number of positives for Kilcoo being able to bring on very experienced players like the 2 Brannigans and Greenan.
    Kilcoo will be delighted. Glen best team in the competition and now knocked out.
       
glen best team in competition? They may be in years to come but not this year, that will be going to kilcoo or Derrygonnelly. After all the hype I was disappointed with Glen.

Your right of course. Meant to say best on paper. I definitely think they would have went on to win AI had they gotten over Kilcoo. They will def be back.
     
     
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2021, 10:11:18 PM
Ok so experience counts for nothing, both teams in the final funnily enough are regular teams in the Ulster championship.

Both teams are in the final because they are good teams. What did experience have to do with Conal Jones nailing a 40m free with the last kick v Dromore or a goalkeeping mistake resulting in a goal for Kilcoo. Come on Iím all ears.  The most overused term in sport is this Ďexperienceí nonsense.

Just maybe and I may be barking up the wrong tree here but Derrygonnelly are a better side than Dromore and Clann Eireann and Kilcoo are a better team than Ramor Utd and Glen. Or maybe Iím totally wrong and they just won because theyíve played in the competition a few more times.

So itís not strange that both teams in the final are regulars and the likes of Tyrone club teams are pathetic in the competition because they have so many different winners in their own competition?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 19, 2021, 10:13:14 PM
Glen didn't lose that game at Midfield, they lack a big scoring threat like, Shane McGuigan of Slaughtneil.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on December 19, 2021, 10:18:14 PM
Yeah they lack a.focal point. Bradley was put inside but didn't get much ball in. With all the bodies back and a slow approach it didn't suit. Tallon a good player but wasn't effective.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: onefaircounty on December 19, 2021, 10:35:56 PM
Glen were only going to win the game if Glass dominated midfield. He hit one fine free, and got a brilliant point from play, but was otherwise crowded out of it and seldom managed a forward run. Even if Kilcoo had not come up with the goal, their pace and calmness in possession would have got them over the line.

Glass was excellent.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on December 19, 2021, 10:55:43 PM
Horrible stuff. Glen can have no complaints.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 20, 2021, 12:55:22 AM
Glen were only going to win the game if Glass dominated midfield. He hit one fine free, and got a brilliant point from play, but was otherwise crowded out of it and seldom managed a forward run. Even if Kilcoo had not come up with the goal, their pace and calmness in possession would have got them over the line.

Glass was excellent.
Thought he done rightly but didnít give enough going forward, scored a cracker from play and a few frees (i think). The number 8 that must have been only home from a sun holiday done rightly on him by being a sickener, did he win a mark all day from kickout?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: onefaircounty on December 20, 2021, 02:18:41 AM
Glen were only going to win the game if Glass dominated midfield. He hit one fine free, and got a brilliant point from play, but was otherwise crowded out of it and seldom managed a forward run. Even if Kilcoo had not come up with the goal, their pace and calmness in possession would have got them over the line.

Glass was excellent.
Thought he done rightly but didnít give enough going forward, scored a cracker from play and a few frees (i think). The number 8 that must have been only home from a sun holiday done rightly on him by being a sickener, did he win a mark all day from kickout?

He was playing a defensive midfield role so not sure what else he could have done attacking wise. Personally I would have liked to see him play a bit further forward second half but clearly instructed not too.

Got through a mountain of work when we down by those around him in first half. Dictated play, won free and breaks and kicked the best score of the game.

Kilcoo smothered him on kicks. Not many can catch clean when three men hanging out of you.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on December 20, 2021, 08:26:09 AM
On the whole "experience" debate, I think it can be explained by survivor bias.

Better teams win more, so they play more, so they have more experience.
Success and experience are correlated by definition.  Experience is not "causal" of success.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: snoopdog on December 20, 2021, 08:55:08 AM
While some people will say that was a poor affair yesterday, most will see it as 2 good teams well managed trying to outwit their opposition. You play to your strengths. Kilcoo set up defensively as they would've studied prob all off Glen's games this year and Glen would've done the same. To say Kilcoo can play football as good as any team when the game allows it. The final will be another close game. Derrygonnelly troubled Kilcoo more than any off their other opposition in the last ulster championship . Yesterday was similar to how they tried stopping Corofin. This time they finished it out. Be it with a fortunate goal but they were more alert than glen. Kilcoo really should've seen it out in normal time. Quite a few wides in 2nd half and balls dropped short. Glen will be back if they keep going like they have.
 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 20, 2021, 09:05:22 AM
In Kilcoo initial forays in the Ulster Championship how did they do? Number of different teams turned them over. Experience counts for alot, it's not that long ago that Foreglen turned Glen over at Intermediate level.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: toby47 on December 20, 2021, 09:31:33 AM
Jeez i thought it was a very good game. Very intriguing & I was literally on the edge of my seat the whole time. There is more to Gaelic football than going gung-ho, kicking the ball 50 yards every time you get the ball and turning the game into a shoot out. Kilcoo were exceptional in the quarter final 2 weeks ago with a totally different style. They kicked the ball at every opportunity, left space in the forward line and got men ahead of the ball. Similarly Glen have played exciting, expansive football all year. Kilcoo went back to type for the game yesterday & it worked for them. What was their alternative? Play 15 v 15 and let Glass, McFaul, Jack Doherty & Eunan Mulholland cause them bother for 60 minutes? All 4 players mentioned there have been brilliant for Glen all year, but Kilcoo nullified each of them yesterday.

Possession was vital yesterday. Each team knew the importance of having the ball, so they took very little risks. However the intensity of the tackling, the pace when a team attacked, the execution of the basics & the ability to carry out a game play was as good as you will see in club football. Kilcoo probably always looked the better team however Glen gave them some game. Kilcoo surely favourites for the All-Ireland now & Glen will no doubt add to their first Derry championship over the next few years and will have aspirations of an Ulster when they get out of Derry again.

Derrygonnelly will also be waiting for Kilcoo with full belief they can turn them over. They have been consistent performers in Ulster club over the last number of years and are a team suited to winter football. Big, Strong with a few good score takers up front. They were impressive on Saturday evening, however i expect Kilcoo to edge it.

On a last note, the TV coverage of club football at the weekend was brilliant, its great to see club football getting national coverage and long may it continue. I watched Naas v Shelmaliers, Kilmacud Crokes v Portarlington, Derrygonnelly v Clann Eireann, Glen vs Kilcoo and Clough-Ballacolla v Ballyhale over the weekend and enjoyed it more than i would have enjoyed any county games. Theres just something different about club GAA.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: smort on December 20, 2021, 09:42:14 AM
Jeez i thought it was a very good game. Very intriguing & I was literally on the edge of my seat the whole time. There is more to Gaelic football than going gung-ho, kicking the ball 50 yards every time you get the ball and turning the game into a shoot out. Kilcoo were exceptional in the quarter final 2 weeks ago with a totally different style. They kicked the ball at every opportunity, left space in the forward line and got men ahead of the ball. Similarly Glen have played exciting, expansive football all year. Kilcoo went back to type for the game yesterday & it worked for them. What was their alternative? Play 15 v 15 and let Glass, McFaul, Jack Doherty & Eunan Mulholland cause them bother for 60 minutes? All 4 players mentioned there have been brilliant for Glen all year, but Kilcoo nullified each of them yesterday.

Possession was vital yesterday. Each team knew the importance of having the ball, so they took very little risks. However the intensity of the tackling, the pace when a team attacked, the execution of the basics & the ability to carry out a game play was as good as you will see in club football. Kilcoo probably always looked the better team however Glen gave them some game. Kilcoo surely favourites for the All-Ireland now & Glen will no doubt add to their first Derry championship over the next few years and will have aspirations of an Ulster when they get out of Derry again.

Derrygonnelly will also be waiting for Kilcoo with full belief they can turn them over. They have been consistent performers in Ulster club over the last number of years and are a team suited to winter football. Big, Strong with a few good score takers up front. They were impressive on Saturday evening, however i expect Kilcoo to edge it.

On a last note, the TV coverage of club football at the weekend was brilliant, its great to see club football getting national coverage and long may it continue. I watched Naas v Shelmaliers, Kilmacud Crokes v Portarlington, Derrygonnelly v Clann Eireann, Glen vs Kilcoo and Clough-Ballacolla v Ballyhale over the weekend and enjoyed it more than i would have enjoyed any county games. Theres just something different about club GAA.

Totally agree. Looking forward to the opportunities a split season will provide for club games from next year onwards
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 20, 2021, 09:59:49 AM
It's a shame that the provincial competitions at least couldn't be finished before Christmas. There is something a bit anti climatic about having to wait until January now for the provincial finals. It sucks a bit of the momentum out of a competition and I actually think that the club AI series should be finished up within the calendar year. Hopefully the split season will resolve this issue.   
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Christmas Lights on December 20, 2021, 10:26:41 AM
Club football still is king for me.  Love the county games but it warms the heart when you see a senior Ulster final between a Fermanagh and a Down team.  At club level, its an even playing field, a club team from Fermanagh can be as good as a club team from Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry or wherever. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: An Watcher on December 20, 2021, 11:00:24 AM
Club football is fantastic and the ulster club 8n particular is excellent.  Wasn't dying about yesterday's game but the tactics employed by both teams was really interesting.  Would love to see derrygonnelly win the final
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on December 20, 2021, 11:05:45 AM
A very boring encounter in what looked like good conditions for football, 8 points each after 60 mins says it all; In my naivety I was really looking forward to the game.

Seemed like a great crowd at the game, what was the attendance?

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: theticklemister on December 20, 2021, 11:11:08 AM
One point from play from the two full forward lines sums it up.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 20, 2021, 11:12:30 AM
I still say the Dublin team Crokes, is favourites for the All-Ireland.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on December 20, 2021, 11:26:10 AM
Jeez i thought it was a very good game. Very intriguing & I was literally on the edge of my seat the whole time. There is more to Gaelic football than going gung-ho, kicking the ball 50 yards every time you get the ball and turning the game into a shoot out. Kilcoo were exceptional in the quarter final 2 weeks ago with a totally different style. They kicked the ball at every opportunity, left space in the forward line and got men ahead of the ball. Similarly Glen have played exciting, expansive football all year. Kilcoo went back to type for the game yesterday & it worked for them. What was their alternative? Play 15 v 15 and let Glass, McFaul, Jack Doherty & Eunan Mulholland cause them bother for 60 minutes? All 4 players mentioned there have been brilliant for Glen all year, but Kilcoo nullified each of them yesterday.

Possession was vital yesterday. Each team knew the importance of having the ball, so they took very little risks. However the intensity of the tackling, the pace when a team attacked, the execution of the basics & the ability to carry out a game play was as good as you will see in club football. Kilcoo probably always looked the better team however Glen gave them some game. Kilcoo surely favourites for the All-Ireland now & Glen will no doubt add to their first Derry championship over the next few years and will have aspirations of an Ulster when they get out of Derry again.

Derrygonnelly will also be waiting for Kilcoo with full belief they can turn them over. They have been consistent performers in Ulster club over the last number of years and are a team suited to winter football. Big, Strong with a few good score takers up front. They were impressive on Saturday evening, however i expect Kilcoo to edge it.

On a last note, the TV coverage of club football at the weekend was brilliant, its great to see club football getting national coverage and long may it continue. I watched Naas v Shelmaliers, Kilmacud Crokes v Portarlington, Derrygonnelly v Clann Eireann, Glen vs Kilcoo and Clough-Ballacolla v Ballyhale over the weekend and enjoyed it more than i would have enjoyed any county games. Theres just something different about club GAA.

Great post totally agree. Add in the intrigue with Mickey Moran managing against his own club, adding to an already intense atmosphere.
     
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: lenny on December 20, 2021, 11:28:35 AM
Club football still is king for me.  Love the county games but it warms the heart when you see a senior Ulster final between a Fermanagh and a Down team.  At club level, its an even playing field, a club team from Fermanagh can be as good as a club team from Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry or wherever.

It is great to watch and the coverage has been good. Iím worried about how many seemingly super clubs are developing around the country. In my memory it started with Crossmaglen winning 15 Armagh championships out of 16 or something ridiculous like that. Derrygonnelly have won 6 out of 7 in Fermanagh and kilcoo have won almost all of the last 10 in Down. Corofin have been extremely dominant in Galway also. Iím missing a few more similar.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 20, 2021, 11:32:28 AM
Club football still is king for me.  Love the county games but it warms the heart when you see a senior Ulster final between a Fermanagh and a Down team.  At club level, its an even playing field, a club team from Fermanagh can be as good as a club team from Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry or wherever.

It is great to watch and the coverage has been good. Iím worried about how many seemingly super clubs are developing around the country. In my memory it started with Crossmaglen winning 15 Armagh championships out of 16 or something ridiculous like that. Derrygonnelly have won 6 out of 7 in Fermanagh and kilcoo have won almost all of the last 10 in Down. Corofin have been extremely dominant in Galway also. Iím missing a few more similar.
Would hardly call Kilcoo a ďsuper clubĒ now theyíre a small rural parish and would have a smaller pick than most. Burren up the road from them have unreal numbers and funding and will probably go on and dominate Down and Ulster in the future. Crossís dominance in Armagh is over, Corofin I think were beat in Galway last year as well?

Derrygonnelly always seem to come out of Fermanagh, I donít think they have that many clubs though?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Mikhailov on December 20, 2021, 11:44:52 AM
Jeez i thought it was a very good game. Very intriguing & I was literally on the edge of my seat the whole time. There is more to Gaelic football than going gung-ho, kicking the ball 50 yards every time you get the ball and turning the game into a shoot out. Kilcoo were exceptional in the quarter final 2 weeks ago with a totally different style. They kicked the ball at every opportunity, left space in the forward line and got men ahead of the ball. Similarly Glen have played exciting, expansive football all year. Kilcoo went back to type for the game yesterday & it worked for them. What was their alternative? Play 15 v 15 and let Glass, McFaul, Jack Doherty & Eunan Mulholland cause them bother for 60 minutes? All 4 players mentioned there have been brilliant for Glen all year, but Kilcoo nullified each of them yesterday.

Possession was vital yesterday. Each team knew the importance of having the ball, so they took very little risks. However the intensity of the tackling, the pace when a team attacked, the execution of the basics & the ability to carry out a game play was as good as you will see in club football. Kilcoo probably always looked the better team however Glen gave them some game. Kilcoo surely favourites for the All-Ireland now & Glen will no doubt add to their first Derry championship over the next few years and will have aspirations of an Ulster when they get out of Derry again.

Derrygonnelly will also be waiting for Kilcoo with full belief they can turn them over. They have been consistent performers in Ulster club over the last number of years and are a team suited to winter football. Big, Strong with a few good score takers up front. They were impressive on Saturday evening, however i expect Kilcoo to edge it.

On a last note, the TV coverage of club football at the weekend was brilliant, its great to see club football getting national coverage and long may it continue. I watched Naas v Shelmaliers, Kilmacud Crokes v Portarlington, Derrygonnelly v Clann Eireann, Glen vs Kilcoo and Clough-Ballacolla v Ballyhale over the weekend and enjoyed it more than i would have enjoyed any county games. Theres just something different about club GAA.

Great post Toby47.
Two great teams yesterday but Kilcoo just edged it in my opinion. Both teams played it tight which suited Kilcoo better as they are well versed in winning tight championship games whereas Glen had a supposedly easy run in to this stage except for the St Eunans game.

I expected more from Glen to be honest but Kilcoo are not easy to beat and the defensive counter attack tactics employed by both teams was to be expected but Kilcoo play it much better.
As someone said earlier, they can play the game whatever way you want - last day out v Ramor they went on the attack and had the game done by half time but yesterday required different approach and they have quality intelligent players all over the pitch who can adapt to whatever is happening.

Some superb individual displays - Conor Glass & Tiernan Flanagan for Glen and Morgan at 6, Michael Rooney and Sheelan Johnson for Kilcoo.

Pity we have to wait 3/4 weeks for the final
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: APM on December 20, 2021, 11:53:34 AM
It's a shame that the provincial competitions at least couldn't be finished before Christmas. There is something a bit anti climatic about having to wait until January now for the provincial finals. It sucks a bit of the momentum out of a competition and I actually think that the club AI series should be finished up within the calendar year. Hopefully the split season will resolve this issue.

No excuse for this given that inter-county in Ulster (bar Tyrone) finished on 31 July, Tyrone was finished on 14 November and there were no replays. County boards running round-robin and league based championships and drawing out their championship season is a major part of the problem.

First round proper could have been played on the 28 November instead of waiting until 5 December.  Very unfair on players having to wait until after Christmas.  Playing the first round, semi-final and final on successive weeks would have been better although not ideal.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 20, 2021, 11:54:45 AM
Club football still is king for me.  Love the county games but it warms the heart when you see a senior Ulster final between a Fermanagh and a Down team.  At club level, its an even playing field, a club team from Fermanagh can be as good as a club team from Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry or wherever.

It is great to watch and the coverage has been good. Iím worried about how many seemingly super clubs are developing around the country. In my memory it started with Crossmaglen winning 15 Armagh championships out of 16 or something ridiculous like that. Derrygonnelly have won 6 out of 7 in Fermanagh and kilcoo have won almost all of the last 10 in Down. Corofin have been extremely dominant in Galway also. Iím missing a few more similar.

The level of preparation that goes into some of these club sides now is almost akin to the inter county game of about 10/15 years ago. Down clubs in particular must be extremely well resourced in terms of available expenditure on management teams. They love their outside managers in Down and some of the figures bandied about are jaw dropping for club sides.

There are now backroom teams made up of additional coaches and medical personnel working from within clubs. The conditioning levels of those 2 sides yesterday was similar to intercounty sides and that is where they have the biggest advantage. It takes years of preparation to get players to that level.   
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: toby47 on December 20, 2021, 12:22:39 PM
Club football still is king for me.  Love the county games but it warms the heart when you see a senior Ulster final between a Fermanagh and a Down team.  At club level, its an even playing field, a club team from Fermanagh can be as good as a club team from Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry or wherever.

It is great to watch and the coverage has been good. Iím worried about how many seemingly super clubs are developing around the country. In my memory it started with Crossmaglen winning 15 Armagh championships out of 16 or something ridiculous like that. Derrygonnelly have won 6 out of 7 in Fermanagh and kilcoo have won almost all of the last 10 in Down. Corofin have been extremely dominant in Galway also. Iím missing a few more similar.

The level of preparation that goes into some of these club sides now is almost akin to the inter county game of about 10/15 years ago. Down clubs in particular must be extremely well resourced in terms of available expenditure on management teams. They love their outside managers in Down and some of the figures bandied about are jaw dropping for club sides.

There are now backroom teams made up of additional coaches and medical personnel working from within clubs. The conditioning levels of those 2 sides yesterday was similar to intercounty sides and that is where they have the biggest advantage. It takes years of preparation to get players to that level.

I was chatting to an ex inter county manager recently who said he will never manage an inter county team again. Said the hassle, meetings, phone calls, travelling, weekends away etc are not worth it now with the packages you can get offered at club management.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Mikhailov on December 20, 2021, 12:45:03 PM
Club football still is king for me.  Love the county games but it warms the heart when you see a senior Ulster final between a Fermanagh and a Down team.  At club level, its an even playing field, a club team from Fermanagh can be as good as a club team from Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry or wherever.

It is great to watch and the coverage has been good. Iím worried about how many seemingly super clubs are developing around the country. In my memory it started with Crossmaglen winning 15 Armagh championships out of 16 or something ridiculous like that. Derrygonnelly have won 6 out of 7 in Fermanagh and kilcoo have won almost all of the last 10 in Down. Corofin have been extremely dominant in Galway also. Iím missing a few more similar.

The level of preparation that goes into some of these club sides now is almost akin to the inter county game of about 10/15 years ago. Down clubs in particular must be extremely well resourced in terms of available expenditure on management teams. They love their outside managers in Down and some of the figures bandied about are jaw dropping for club sides.

There are now backroom teams made up of additional coaches and medical personnel working from within clubs. The conditioning levels of those 2 sides yesterday was similar to intercounty sides and that is where they have the biggest advantage. It takes years of preparation to get players to that level.

I was chatting to an ex inter county manager recently who said he will never manage an inter county team again. Said the hassle, meetings, phone calls, travelling, weekends away etc are not worth it now with the packages you can get offered at club management.

In fairness Toby, all the top clubs would require all of that work and effort of a manager. The day of turning up 2 nights a week and a game at the weekend are long gone. The real top club teams nowadays are effectively mini county set ups in every aspect
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 20, 2021, 12:58:39 PM
Club football still is king for me.  Love the county games but it warms the heart when you see a senior Ulster final between a Fermanagh and a Down team.  At club level, its an even playing field, a club team from Fermanagh can be as good as a club team from Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry or wherever.

It is great to watch and the coverage has been good. Iím worried about how many seemingly super clubs are developing around the country. In my memory it started with Crossmaglen winning 15 Armagh championships out of 16 or something ridiculous like that. Derrygonnelly have won 6 out of 7 in Fermanagh and kilcoo have won almost all of the last 10 in Down. Corofin have been extremely dominant in Galway also. Iím missing a few more similar.

The level of preparation that goes into some of these club sides now is almost akin to the inter county game of about 10/15 years ago. Down clubs in particular must be extremely well resourced in terms of available expenditure on management teams. They love their outside managers in Down and some of the figures bandied about are jaw dropping for club sides.

There are now backroom teams made up of additional coaches and medical personnel working from within clubs. The conditioning levels of those 2 sides yesterday was similar to intercounty sides and that is where they have the biggest advantage. It takes years of preparation to get players to that level.

I was chatting to an ex inter county manager recently who said he will never manage an inter county team again. Said the hassle, meetings, phone calls, travelling, weekends away etc are not worth it now with the packages you can get offered at club management.

In fairness Toby, all the top clubs would require all of that work and effort of a manager. The day of turning up 2 nights a week and a game at the weekend are long gone. The real top club teams nowadays are effectively mini county set ups in every aspect

With club management there wouldn't be anywhere near the amount of travelling or time spent away from home involved and the manager of most club sides would be in attendance for 2/3 training sessions at most per week. There is way less scrutiny and practically no media commitments. So there is still a big difference between county and club management - club management could still quite easily be combined with a career, county management much less so unless you're either self employed or in a teaching job. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: toby47 on December 20, 2021, 02:24:27 PM
Club football still is king for me.  Love the county games but it warms the heart when you see a senior Ulster final between a Fermanagh and a Down team.  At club level, its an even playing field, a club team from Fermanagh can be as good as a club team from Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry or wherever.

It is great to watch and the coverage has been good. Iím worried about how many seemingly super clubs are developing around the country. In my memory it started with Crossmaglen winning 15 Armagh championships out of 16 or something ridiculous like that. Derrygonnelly have won 6 out of 7 in Fermanagh and kilcoo have won almost all of the last 10 in Down. Corofin have been extremely dominant in Galway also. Iím missing a few more similar.

The level of preparation that goes into some of these club sides now is almost akin to the inter county game of about 10/15 years ago. Down clubs in particular must be extremely well resourced in terms of available expenditure on management teams. They love their outside managers in Down and some of the figures bandied about are jaw dropping for club sides.

There are now backroom teams made up of additional coaches and medical personnel working from within clubs. The conditioning levels of those 2 sides yesterday was similar to intercounty sides and that is where they have the biggest advantage. It takes years of preparation to get players to that level.

I was chatting to an ex inter county manager recently who said he will never manage an inter county team again. Said the hassle, meetings, phone calls, travelling, weekends away etc are not worth it now with the packages you can get offered at club management.

In fairness Toby, all the top clubs would require all of that work and effort of a manager. The day of turning up 2 nights a week and a game at the weekend are long gone. The real top club teams nowadays are effectively mini county set ups in every aspect

With club management there wouldn't be anywhere near the amount of travelling or time spent away from home involved and the manager of most club sides would be in attendance for 2/3 training sessions at most per week. There is way less scrutiny and practically no media commitments. So there is still a big difference between county and club management - club management could still quite easily be combined with a career, county management much less so unless you're either self employed or in a teaching job.

There's a massive difference in games being an hour away and some games being 5hrs away.

There's a massive difference in 3 sessions a week and 5 sessions a week.

There's a massive difference in media duties & interviews in a county manager and club manager.

Yes, club management has changed massivly in recent years. But so has county management. County management is a completely different ball game.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2021, 02:47:48 PM
I still say the Dublin team Crokes, is favourites for the All-Ireland.

Rubbish, they were poor in their final and could have lost the other day, not a great team by any standard that has come out of Dublin these last few years.

I will say its wide open for a new team to be crowned champions though.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Mikhailov on December 20, 2021, 03:08:29 PM
Club football still is king for me.  Love the county games but it warms the heart when you see a senior Ulster final between a Fermanagh and a Down team.  At club level, its an even playing field, a club team from Fermanagh can be as good as a club team from Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry or wherever.

It is great to watch and the coverage has been good. Iím worried about how many seemingly super clubs are developing around the country. In my memory it started with Crossmaglen winning 15 Armagh championships out of 16 or something ridiculous like that. Derrygonnelly have won 6 out of 7 in Fermanagh and kilcoo have won almost all of the last 10 in Down. Corofin have been extremely dominant in Galway also. Iím missing a few more similar.

The level of preparation that goes into some of these club sides now is almost akin to the inter county game of about 10/15 years ago. Down clubs in particular must be extremely well resourced in terms of available expenditure on management teams. They love their outside managers in Down and some of the figures bandied about are jaw dropping for club sides.

There are now backroom teams made up of additional coaches and medical personnel working from within clubs. The conditioning levels of those 2 sides yesterday was similar to intercounty sides and that is where they have the biggest advantage. It takes years of preparation to get players to that level.

I was chatting to an ex inter county manager recently who said he will never manage an inter county team again. Said the hassle, meetings, phone calls, travelling, weekends away etc are not worth it now with the packages you can get offered at club management.

In fairness Toby, all the top clubs would require all of that work and effort of a manager. The day of turning up 2 nights a week and a game at the weekend are long gone. The real top club teams nowadays are effectively mini county set ups in every aspect

With club management there wouldn't be anywhere near the amount of travelling or time spent away from home involved and the manager of most club sides would be in attendance for 2/3 training sessions at most per week. There is way less scrutiny and practically no media commitments. So there is still a big difference between county and club management - club management could still quite easily be combined with a career, county management much less so unless you're either self employed or in a teaching job.

There's a massive difference in games being an hour away and some games being 5hrs away.

There's a massive difference in 3 sessions a week and 5 sessions a week.

There's a massive difference in media duties & interviews in a county manager and club manager.

Yes, club management has changed massivly in recent years. But so has county management. County management is a completely different ball game.

Lads, when I put in my previous post I did highlight TOP club management, I was not referring to every club management. Specifically I was thinking of Glen / Kilcoo type clubs.

For example the 3 men involved in Kilcoo live quite a distance away, 3 hour round trip each night plus the 90/120 minutes for the set up & session = 5 hours for 3/4 nights a week plus game at the weekend. Plus extra work like media, player phone calls, tactical meetings, video analysis etc all takes up a lot of time.

I agree with the replies that county v club management are two different levels but the set ups at the real top clubs are as near as county as you could get.

Both management set ups yesterday are county team set ups and have vast experience at county level although county level now is virtually a full time job
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 20, 2021, 03:38:57 PM
 So much for Gaelic been a amaetur sport which so many like to rave about.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: clarshack on December 20, 2021, 04:02:41 PM
So much for Gaelic been a amaetur sport which so many like to rave about.

Kilcoo must be paying out some dough
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: johnnycool on December 20, 2021, 04:09:20 PM
So much for Gaelic been a amaetur sport which so many like to rave about.

Kilcoo must be paying out some dough

All used Northern Bank notes...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 20, 2021, 04:10:46 PM
So much for Gaelic been a amaetur sport which so many like to rave about.

Kilcoo must be paying out some dough
Heard one club is paying out 6 figuresÖ.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: smort on December 20, 2021, 04:15:48 PM
Absolute madness if true

The ever increasing 'expenses' need looked at
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 20, 2021, 04:51:46 PM
Only 1 team will win their local championship. I wonder the amount spend by senior club teams in total within a county. Used to be rumour Dublin club teams would incentive certain players to join.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on December 20, 2021, 04:54:28 PM
It's a shame that the provincial competitions at least couldn't be finished before Christmas. There is something a bit anti climatic about having to wait until January now for the provincial finals. It sucks a bit of the momentum out of a competition and I actually think that the club AI series should be finished up within the calendar year. Hopefully the split season will resolve this issue.

I think they do aim to have it finished in the Calendar year , the Provincials were later starting this year due to Covid so was hard to get it all in before Christmas.,
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: JoG2 on December 20, 2021, 05:53:32 PM
Absolute madness if true

The ever increasing 'expenses' need looked at

Some of the numbers these days are incredible. Clubs with little to no chance of winning the championship are throwing some amounts at managers. Moran has probably banked in the region of half a mill (£500,000) at this stage
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on December 20, 2021, 06:24:13 PM
How much accuracy is there in some of these numbers being floated round? Is there a possibility they are embellished significantly?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on December 20, 2021, 06:31:08 PM
Only 1 team will win their local championship. I wonder the amount spend by senior club teams in total within a county. Used to be rumour Dublin club teams would incentive certain players to join.

How much accuracy is there in some of these numbers being floated round? Is there a possibility they are embellished significantly?

I had a county player tell me about an infamous club in Dublin who offered him Ä15k to join well over a decade ago.

At some stage the Revenue are going to start targetting club managers given the amounts involved.

What could get seriously messy for the GAA is if the Revenue start tracing the payments the various managers receive and start looking for the sources of this money.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2021, 06:40:30 PM
Only 1 team will win their local championship. I wonder the amount spend by senior club teams in total within a county. Used to be rumour Dublin club teams would incentive certain players to join.

How much accuracy is there in some of these numbers being floated round? Is there a possibility they are embellished significantly?

I had a county player tell me about an infamous club in Dublin who offered him Ä15k to join well over a decade ago.

At some stage the Revenue are going to start targetting club managers given the amounts involved.

What could get seriously messy for the GAA is if the Revenue start tracing the payments the various managers receive and start looking for the sources of this money.

Would the sensible ones not be putting their Ďincomeí (if thatís what it is, not expenses) through their account?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on December 20, 2021, 06:49:32 PM
Surely just a standing order to the managers to pay for their ďmileageĒ and some or most of it paid by brown envelopes?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on December 20, 2021, 07:06:14 PM
You are in complete denial on this issue, for whatever reason.

There are vast sums of money changing hands.

I just don't believe everything I read on the internet.

If the sums are as big as is said why would any of these people have other jobs?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: clarshack on December 20, 2021, 07:15:57 PM
You are in complete denial on this issue, for whatever reason.

There are vast sums of money changing hands.

I just don't believe everything I read on the internet.

If the sums are as big as is said why would any of these people have other jobs?

Greed?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on December 20, 2021, 07:30:04 PM
Only 1 team will win their local championship. I wonder the amount spend by senior club teams in total within a county. Used to be rumour Dublin club teams would incentive certain players to join.

How much accuracy is there in some of these numbers being floated round? Is there a possibility they are embellished significantly?

I had a county player tell me about an infamous club in Dublin who offered him Ä15k to join well over a decade ago.

At some stage the Revenue are going to start targetting club managers given the amounts involved.

What could get seriously messy for the GAA is if the Revenue start tracing the payments the various managers receive and start looking for the sources of this money.

Would the sensible ones not be putting their Ďincomeí (if thatís what it is, not expenses) through their account?

The sensible ones would be declaring it as income and paying tax on it.
This would probably put the individual in the clear with the Revenue.

However I'd guess there is a good chance that a significant amount probably aren't declaring it to the taxman.

An individual declaring it would potentially cause Revenue to ask where the money is coming from, which could open a nasty box of surprises from a club in question, especially if they aren't putting the full cost through the books.

If a club is paying a manager under the table I'd imagine they are straight away breaking the rules in relation to financial reporting at a minimum.

I don't know exactly what the rules are for officers/trustees of a club doing this but I'd imagine it's not dissimilar rules to directors of a business.

If a club is found to be paying a manager under the table, that pretty much has to be de facto employment which would surely have implications in terms of PRSI/pension/national insurance contributions and a whole host of other employer rules.

Depending on where the money to pay these manager is coming from and how it's transferred to them, there's probably a range of criminal/banking/money laundering laws [especially if it's money going cross border] that are being broken.

If a treasurer of a club for instance was taking money from some legitimate club source e.g. club pub/shop/lotto/fundraiser and secretly transferring it to the manager of the club, how does this look any different to the authorities to an individual stealing from the club?

I'd imagine that the authorities have pretty much turned a blind eye to it for a good while because the amounts were relatively minimal but with the increasing amounts on offer for club managers I can definitely see them start to target individuals.

If the GAA were interested in clamping down on payments to managers in clubs, they should really put together a list of all the laws and punishments clubs and individuals in clubs could be facing by paying managers.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 20, 2021, 09:21:23 PM
I couldn't see any club probably putting it through the books, some under mileage expenses, some under the table to hid the mad costs they paying, and others through sponsors paiding manager directly and not through the club.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 20, 2021, 09:47:18 PM
Absolute madness if true

The ever increasing 'expenses' need looked at

Some of the numbers these days are incredible. Clubs with little to no chance of winning the championship are throwing some amounts at managers. Moran has probably banked in the region of half a mill (£500,000) at this stage
Would you not be safer throwing that sort of money at club facilities, all weather pitches, gyms, underage coaches etc etc and build long term?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2021, 10:01:05 PM
Lol. We spent 2.5k there over last few months on pitch hire. Nearly busted us
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2021, 10:03:18 PM
Lol. We spent 2.5k there over last few months on pitch hire. Nearly busted us

Council pitch?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2021, 10:10:05 PM
Lol. We spent 2.5k there over last few months on pitch hire. Nearly busted us

Council pitch?

Naw other clubs , we were out 2 nights a week for 10 weeks , plus bit of food and wee bit of help with diesel for young lads. Probably closer to 2k tbh. No councilgaa pitches in city with lights. Pearses only club with lights but they only got pitch through social development fund there and it apparently has issues. Shared with soccer club . Our council are useless , Barry o Hagen from Armagh stealing a living, talking about same pitches strategy 15 years. local parties only interested in soccer
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2021, 10:14:36 PM
Lol. We spent 2.5k there over last few months on pitch hire. Nearly busted us

Council pitch?

Naw other clubs , we were out 2 nights a week for 10 weeks , plus bit of food and wee bit of help with diesel for young lads. Probably closer to 2k tbh. No councilgaa pitches in city with lights. Pearses only club with lights but they only got pitch through social development fund there and it apparently has issues. Shared with soccer club . Our council are useless , Barry o Hagen from Armagh stealing a living, talking about same pitches strategy 15 years. local parties only interested in soccer

Nationalist council for donkeys years and ya canít get them to sort ya out with a pitch? Crazy
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: North Man on December 20, 2021, 10:15:08 PM
Fear
Can your club not install floodlights
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2021, 10:18:41 PM
Lol. We spent 2.5k there over last few months on pitch hire. Nearly busted us

Council pitch?

Naw other clubs , we were out 2 nights a week for 10 weeks , plus bit of food and wee bit of help with diesel for young lads. Probably closer to 2k tbh. No councilgaa pitches in city with lights. Pearses only club with lights but they only got pitch through social development fund there and it apparently has issues. Shared with soccer club . Our council are useless , Barry o Hagen from Armagh stealing a living, talking about same pitches strategy 15 years. local parties only interested in soccer

Nationalist council for donkeys years and ya canít get them to sort ya out with a pitch? Crazy

Honestly, Shinners are all soccer heads now McGuinness gone ,young Durkey from SDLP only one with any real GAA background. That new SF doll we got from Strabane Ferguson very anti GAA.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: thewobbler on December 20, 2021, 10:18:44 PM
To chip in here. First of all it turns my stomach to read and hear (occasionally first hand) the financial demands of a senior club football team.

Especially so when for at least half the clubs in the land, theyíre not doing much more than burning money. For if the talent isnít there, then coaching matters little. He and his band of merry mercenaries might well get them fitter and stronger. He may even teach them how to play the modern pollutant of protecting the scoreboard at all costs. But the championship titles wonít get closer unless a club is producing enough quality players who are dialled into the demands of Gaelic games.

BUT, the thought of running this through the books is something that everyone needs to get out of their heads.

What it would lead to is to every force small and medium sized club through the same endless paperwork and employment regulations, while undoubtedly putting the price per session up. So none of these clubs benefit. They just get pain.

Whereas the bigger clubs with the bigger sponsors - those who actively chase down club SFC titles and will happily bank roll it - wouldnít have to worry about such things. The reality is that for the majority of these clubs, the money never actually enters or leaves the club. Itís paid directly from sponsor to management.

If thereís a financial or legal whizzkid on here who can propose a way to make such transactions a matter that the GAA could investigate, let alone punish through rules, then please share. I really would love to hear it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2021, 10:20:17 PM
Fear
Can your club not install floodlights

We have no money .
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Man Marker on December 20, 2021, 10:23:49 PM
Fear
Can your club not install floodlights

We have no money .

God forbid you have to raise your own capital like the rest of us instead of whinging about the council. Funny enough we got nothing from the council either
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2021, 10:28:06 PM
Fear
Can your club not install floodlights

We have no money .

God forbid you have to raise your own capital like the rest of us instead of whinging about the council. Funny enough we got nothing from the council either

I never whinged. I replied to a question. And if you visit namagha.ie you can buy a ticket in our latest fundraiser.
What council area are you in?

We are still your traditional club based on volunteers and zero pay
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: North Man on December 20, 2021, 10:28:22 PM
Fear
Most of the rural clubs around Derry have erected lights in the last 20 years or so.
I suggest you have a conversation with them to see what route to take.
It wonít be easy but you need to make a start
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2021, 10:33:30 PM
Fear
Most of the rural clubs around Derry have erected lights in the last 20 years or so.
I suggest you have a conversation with them to see what route to take.
It wonít be easy but you need to make a start

I know that but we only got a pitch in 2010 after being rejected time and time again on various locations. My point wasn't about lights it was about how mad it is to see the money clubs spend on coaching when others struggle with pitch hire. Our membership in only 10er a year, because traditionally our players cans from socially deprived area, we should defs look at that as we are a lot cheaper than most
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 20, 2021, 10:41:47 PM
Fear when you speak like that surely the sensible thing is to sell Celtic Park and invest it in city clubs, Owenbeg and clubs across the county!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: North Man on December 20, 2021, 10:44:14 PM
There is no major value in Celtic Park other than a sports ground.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2021, 10:47:17 PM
Fear when you speak like that surely the sensible thing is to sell Celtic Park and invest it in city clubs, Owenbeg and clubs across the county!

Charged us a 100 there to use lights, Owenbeg was 150 fir an hour. Aye I'd love more access to it. My rates are getting higher every year and all I see is more soccer pitches , I'm not sure why the Tyrone man says it whingin .

Btw any good hurling umpires around Tyrone?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 20, 2021, 10:50:06 PM
There is no major value in Celtic Park other than a sports ground.

Housing surely
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: North Man on December 20, 2021, 10:55:09 PM
Do the homework on housing and then discuss.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2021, 11:00:33 PM
Who gets the money . Bet you the wee hurling club in city wouldn't see a Penny
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 20, 2021, 11:06:15 PM
Do the homework on housing and then discuss.

OK then expert. Do share the vast knowledge to us plebs
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Man Marker on December 20, 2021, 11:15:18 PM
Who gets the money . Bet you the wee hurling club in city wouldn't see a Penny

The self help model seems lost on you.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 20, 2021, 11:34:57 PM
I know Na Magha a stand alone hurling club. What the situation with uself and Dolans, in the same area, did they get there facilities updated awhile bck. I always wondered why you never looked at joint use of a pitch. I know it got that bad between Dungiven and Kevin Lynch they operate totally independent of each other
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2021, 11:48:05 PM
Who gets the money . Bet you the wee hurling club in city wouldn't see a Penny

The self help model seems lost on you.

Do you actually know anything about the history of Celtic Park and its people and history? Have you bought one of our tickets? I'm still awaiting response on what council area you are in.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2021, 11:52:56 PM
I know Na Magha a stand alone hurling club. What the situation with uself and Dolans, in the same area, did they get there facilities updated awhile bck. I always wondered why you never looked at joint use of a pitch. I know it got that bad between Dungiven and Kevin Lynch they operate totally independent of each other

They are getting big set up, sold land to Apex, we have no players whatsoever from.creggan or bog.  Steelstown be our closest and strongest linked club, but we take from a lot of clubs..we have good pitch and clubhouse now with loads of scope , just need marked man to tell us how to turbo boost the fund raising

We have loads dual player s
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 21, 2021, 12:09:27 AM
Yes I know few play for Dolans,
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 21, 2021, 12:11:19 AM
Yes I know few play for Dolans,

Alan Grant the only one now, he's recovering from second cruciate, nobody underage as far as I'm aware , pity , untapped area
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Man Marker on December 21, 2021, 09:40:17 AM
Who gets the money . Bet you the wee hurling club in city wouldn't see a Penny

The self help model seems lost on you.

Do you actually know anything about the history of Celtic Park and its people and history? Have you bought one of our tickets? I'm still awaiting response on what council area you are in.

I actually did buy one of your tickets. Thats how most clubs get their funds, there isn't many other ways unless you a have a good social club. Our club did a ticket drive a handful of years ago, organised our members to sell the tickets and gathered £250,000 What's your target for sales?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 21, 2021, 11:02:18 AM
Who gets the money . Bet you the wee hurling club in city wouldn't see a Penny

The self help model seems lost on you.

Do you actually know anything about the history of Celtic Park and its people and history? Have you bought one of our tickets? I'm still awaiting response on what council area you are in.

I actually did buy one of your tickets. Thats how most clubs get their funds, there isn't many other ways unless you a have a good social club. Our club did a ticket drive a handful of years ago, organised our members to sell the tickets and gathered £250,000 What's your target for sales?

Thanks much appreciatedwe are looking to get £60k , what council area are you in? Does the council provide the rates payers a pitch strategy that covers all sports?
It's not begging , it's just services for your rates . I'm paying rates for soccer pitches atm
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: JoG2 on December 21, 2021, 11:10:40 AM
Drumsurn recently had a very successful fund raiser, with a £50k motorhome up for grabs . I'd be surprised if anyone in the 6 counties hadn't heard of it. They put in some serious leg work. Posters / signs up everywhere. Club members at every championship game selling. Serious effort and a hefty lift of money raised for lights, a walkway around the facilities etc
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 21, 2021, 11:14:40 AM
Drumsurn recently had a very successful fund raiser, with a £50k motorhome up for grabs . I'd be surprised if anyone in the 6 counties hadn't heard of it. They put in some serious leg work. Posters / signs up everywhere. Club members at every championship game selling. Serious effort and a hefty lift of money raised for lights, a walkway around the facilities etc

Yeah seen that , we have done the same , been all over at games , doors etc, motorhome a great prize , everyone wants one ATM. Any idea what they lifted
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2021, 11:18:40 AM
Who gets the money . Bet you the wee hurling club in city wouldn't see a Penny

The self help model seems lost on you.

Do you actually know anything about the history of Celtic Park and its people and history? Have you bought one of our tickets? I'm still awaiting response on what council area you are in.

I actually did buy one of your tickets. Thats how most clubs get their funds, there isn't many other ways unless you a have a good social club. Our club did a ticket drive a handful of years ago, organised our members to sell the tickets and gathered £250,000 What's your target for sales?

Thanks much appreciatedwe are looking to get £60k , what council area are you in? Does the council provide the rates payers a pitch strategy that covers all sports?
It's not begging , it's just services for your rates . I'm paying rates for soccer pitches atm

Your council should be stepping up to the plate and providing GAA pitches to facilitate your team like they do in soccer. I can understand some unionist  controlled councils taking the piss but this has been a nationalist controlled council for many years. There really is no excuse, once that is achieved you can look to buy that pitch from the council and run it as your own.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 21, 2021, 11:23:56 AM
Who gets the money . Bet you the wee hurling club in city wouldn't see a Penny

The self help model seems lost on you.

Do you actually know anything about the history of Celtic Park and its people and history? Have you bought one of our tickets? I'm still awaiting response on what council area you are in.

I actually did buy one of your tickets. Thats how most clubs get their funds, there isn't many other ways unless you a have a good social club. Our club did a ticket drive a handful of years ago, organised our members to sell the tickets and gathered £250,000 What's your target for sales?

Thanks much appreciatedwe are looking to get £60k , what council area are you in? Does the council provide the rates payers a pitch strategy that covers all sports?
It's not begging , it's just services for your rates . I'm paying rates for soccer pitches atm

Your council should be stepping up to the plate and providing GAA pitches to facilitate your team like they do in soccer. I can understand some unionist  controlled councils taking the piss but this has been a nationalist controlled council for many years. There really is no excuse, once that is achieved you can look to buy that pitch from the council and run it as your own.

To be fair to them , they have granted us some land for development adjacenct to our pitch but it will take 100s thousands,we will get there.

Yeah I agree council should provide for all sports , i don't get why people think thsts begging, it's nowhere near level playing field in Derry ( excuse the pun).

We can't get on any of the 4g facilities run by community groups - blocked booked by aoccer

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: JoG2 on December 21, 2021, 11:24:30 AM
Drumsurn recently had a very successful fund raiser, with a £50k motorhome up for grabs . I'd be surprised if anyone in the 6 counties hadn't heard of it. They put in some serious leg work. Posters / signs up everywhere. Club members at every championship game selling. Serious effort and a hefty lift of money raised for lights, a walkway around the facilities etc

Yeah seen that , we have done the same , been all over at games , doors etc, motorhome a great prize , everyone wants one ATM. Any idea what they lifted

Fear, was told the other day that they sold northwards of 17k tickets. Factor in early bird and multiples eg 3 tix for £50 etc, they must have lifted around 200k give or take.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 21, 2021, 11:26:28 AM
Drumsurn recently had a very successful fund raiser, with a £50k motorhome up for grabs . I'd be surprised if anyone in the 6 counties hadn't heard of it. They put in some serious leg work. Posters / signs up everywhere. Club members at every championship game selling. Serious effort and a hefty lift of money raised for lights, a walkway around the facilities etc

Yeah seen that , we have done the same , been all over at games , doors etc, motorhome a great prize , everyone wants one ATM. Any idea what they lifted

Fear, was told the other day that they sold northwards of 17k tickets. Factor in early bird and multiples eg 3 tix for £50 etc, they must have lifted around 200k give or take.

Wow, fair play , very astute choice of prize
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: theticklemister on December 21, 2021, 11:33:38 AM
In the altered words of BrollyÖÖ.í You may forget about the council regarding it as a GAA maní

Council are a joke of an organization whilst that tube OíHagan, is he still about??
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 21, 2021, 12:00:29 PM
In the altered words of BrollyÖÖ.í You may forget about the council regarding it as a GAA maní

Council are a joke of an organization whilst that tube OíHagan, is he still about??

Aye he is , absolute useless anti city man.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on December 21, 2021, 12:15:10 PM
Derry city not alone in this regard. Some DUP heavy councils wouldn't be very forthcoming with money for GAA clubs.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on December 21, 2021, 12:20:45 PM
Derry city not alone in this regard. Some DUP heavy councils wouldn't be very forthcoming with money for GAA clubs.
Breaking news just in. Scientists have just confirmed that water is wet.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fionntamhnach on December 21, 2021, 02:48:47 PM
It's not just in Derry city apparently where the local authority might be found wanting in providing council-owned GAA pitches for hire - I'm not sure about the Fermanagh part but the Tyrone part of the Fermanagh & Omagh DC doesn't really have much in the way of council-owned GAA playing fields. There's council owned GAA pitches in Dromore (at Crawford's Lane next door to Tummery Athletic's soccer pitch, though I think it's rarely used by the Dromore GAA club now), Trillick & Gortin. I know that there was one in Drumquin that was conveniently located next door to the GAA club that was in good use when Drumquin's main pitch was being done up - now the GAA club has bought the council field and are doing it up themselves. There's none in Omagh town itself. There used to be one in Fintona at Ecclesville Park in the early 90's that had wooden goalposts, but it had to make way for the development of the Ecclesville Centre and there's been no replacement since.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: JoG2 on December 21, 2021, 02:59:17 PM
Derry city not alone in this regard. Some DUP heavy councils wouldn't be very forthcoming with money for GAA clubs.
Breaking news just in. Scientists have just confirmed that water is wet.

Is it?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: armaghniac on December 21, 2021, 03:03:59 PM
Derry city not alone in this regard. Some DUP heavy councils wouldn't be very forthcoming with money for GAA clubs.
Breaking news just in. Scientists have just confirmed that water is wet.

Is it?

Only above 0C.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fionntamhnach on December 21, 2021, 03:21:04 PM
There is one in Strathroy. There was talk of it being transferred to St Endas or Tyrone Ladies. Not sure if its full size or not. Pitch at Youth Sport but again not Council owned. Massive need for a centre like the MUSA in the Omagh area. Drumquin's pitch is almost complete and ready for use.

Forgot about Strathroy! :-[ Never been at it but if it's not at least 130 metres long then it's not really much use to a club for playing games on and would St. Enda's really need it when they already have St. Patrick's Park as a secondary ground already?

A facility like MUSA in the Omagh area would be great, but MUSAs own location in Cookstown makes it very accessible to a lot of East Tyrone/South Derry/SW Antrim, whereas such a facility out west would likely need more than just the Omagh area in mind, probably the whole FODC area alongside the Derg & Clogher valleys. Youth Sport Omagh is an OK spot, but GAA provision there always seemed to be somewhat of a bolt-on rather than be one of the primary activities - the changing rooms themselves are too small for Gaelic Football and Hurling teams for a start. IIRC there's little major GAA activity there now, some training nights for the county girls football teams and not much else. Used to be more popular back over a decade or so ago.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on December 21, 2021, 03:45:31 PM
There is one in Strathroy. There was talk of it being transferred to St Endas or Tyrone Ladies. Not sure if its full size or not. Pitch at Youth Sport but again not Council owned. Massive need for a centre like the MUSA in the Omagh area. Drumquin's pitch is almost complete and ready for use.

Forgot about Strathroy! :-[ Never been at it but if it's not at least 130 metres long then it's not really much use to a club for playing games on and would St. Enda's really need it when they already have St. Patrick's Park as a secondary ground already?

A facility like MUSA in the Omagh area would be great, but MUSAs own location in Cookstown makes it very accessible to a lot of East Tyrone/South Derry/SW Antrim, whereas such a facility out west would likely need more than just the Omagh area in mind, probably the whole FODC area alongside the Derg & Clogher valleys. Youth Sport Omagh is an OK spot, but GAA provision there always seemed to be somewhat of a bolt-on rather than be one of the primary activities - the changing rooms themselves are too small for Gaelic Football and Hurling teams for a start. IIRC there's little major GAA activity there now, some training nights for the county girls football teams and not much else. Used to be more popular back over a decade or so ago.

County hurlers used to use Youth Sport Omagh until 12/13 years ago when they shifted to Mid Ulster which was a better set-up.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: screenexile on December 21, 2021, 04:22:26 PM
It's not just in Derry city apparently where the local authority might be found wanting in providing council-owned GAA pitches for hire - I'm not sure about the Fermanagh part but the Tyrone part of the Fermanagh & Omagh DC doesn't really have much in the way of council-owned GAA playing fields. There's council owned GAA pitches in Dromore (at Crawford's Lane next door to Tummery Athletic's soccer pitch, though I think it's rarely used by the Dromore GAA club now), Trillick & Gortin. I know that there was one in Drumquin that was conveniently located next door to the GAA club that was in good use when Drumquin's main pitch was being done up - now the GAA club has bought the council field and are doing it up themselves. There's none in Omagh town itself. There used to be one in Fintona at Ecclesville Park in the early 90's that had wooden goalposts, but it had to make way for the development of the Ecclesville Centre and there's been no replacement since.

There is one in Strathroy. There was talk of it being transferred to St Endas or Tyrone Ladies. Not sure if its full size or not. Pitch at Youth Sport but again not Council owned. Massive need for a centre like the MUSA in the Omagh area. Drumquin's pitch is almost complete and ready for use.

Is Garvaghey not able to be use??
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 21, 2021, 05:04:20 PM
What province do the Ulster champions face in the AI club semi final this year?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: FermGael on December 21, 2021, 05:06:12 PM
On the Fermanagh side there is a 3g pitch at the bawnacre in Irvinestown and there is a Gaa pitch at the forum in Enniskillen
Last time I checked there were 2 soccer pitches across the Gaa pitch at the forum though .
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on December 21, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
What province do the Ulster champions face in the AI club semi final this year?

Munster. Kilcoo are the current favourites for the All-Ireland, justified?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on December 21, 2021, 05:33:48 PM
What province do the Ulster champions face in the AI club semi final this year?

Munster. Kilcoo are the current favourites for the All-Ireland, justified?

So it will be a Kerry or Cork side. I think favourtism means very little really although they are a very hard team to play against. Derrygonnelly could quite easily beat Kilcoo next time out if we base the form guide on the last time the two sides met in 2019.

Unlike intercounty football there is no real reliable form guide with these club sides. Very often momentum is everything but by the AI semi final stage all four sides will already have built this. A lot depends on preparation, injuries and circumstances on the day. Any of the remaining sides left could easily win the competition outright. There is no peak Corofin, Crossmaglen or Nemo to contend with this year. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 21, 2021, 10:29:53 PM
Bought one of those Drumsurn tickets. Not sure where I put my motor home though lol.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: cynic on December 22, 2021, 06:35:46 PM
It's not just in Derry city apparently where the local authority might be found wanting in providing council-owned GAA pitches for hire - I'm not sure about the Fermanagh part but the Tyrone part of the Fermanagh & Omagh DC doesn't really have much in the way of council-owned GAA playing fields. There's council owned GAA pitches in Dromore (at Crawford's Lane next door to Tummery Athletic's soccer pitch, though I think it's rarely used by the Dromore GAA club now), Trillick & Gortin. I know that there was one in Drumquin that was conveniently located next door to the GAA club that was in good use when Drumquin's main pitch was being done up - now the GAA club has bought the council field and are doing it up themselves. There's none in Omagh town itself. There used to be one in Fintona at Ecclesville Park in the early 90's that had wooden goalposts, but it had to make way for the development of the Ecclesville Centre and there's been no replacement since.

There is no council-owned GAA pitch in Trillick.  In fact, there is no council pitch of any kind in Trillick.  Never heard of one in Dromore either. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Fionntamhnach on December 22, 2021, 09:44:20 PM
There is no council-owned GAA pitch in Trillick.  In fact, there is no council pitch of any kind in Trillick.  Never heard of one in Dromore either.

I was told that the GAA pitch next door to St. Scire's PS was council owned, maybe that's wrong?

I'm pretty certain though that the GAA pitch in Dromore at Crawfords Lane is council owned - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.520071,-7.4505447,3a,90y,310.77h,79.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7yU4JgdrgZujFer8ippa1Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.520071,-7.4505447,3a,90y,310.77h,79.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7yU4JgdrgZujFer8ippa1Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

Edit: Is the pitch I mentioned in Gortin now owned by the Gaelic Football club there now?

On the Fermanagh side there is a 3g pitch at the bawnacre in Irvinestown and there is a Gaa pitch at the forum in Enniskillen
Last time I checked there were 2 soccer pitches across the Gaa pitch at the forum though .

If the FODC were to ever develop their own MUSA-like sports facility, the Bawnacre or somewhere near would probably be a decent/compromise location for it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: FermGael on December 23, 2021, 12:13:09 AM
There is no council-owned GAA pitch in Trillick.  In fact, there is no council pitch of any kind in Trillick.  Never heard of one in Dromore either.

I was told that the GAA pitch next door to St. Scire's PS was council owned, maybe that's wrong?

I'm pretty certain though that the GAA pitch in Dromore at Crawfords Lane is council owned - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.520071,-7.4505447,3a,90y,310.77h,79.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7yU4JgdrgZujFer8ippa1Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.520071,-7.4505447,3a,90y,310.77h,79.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7yU4JgdrgZujFer8ippa1Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

Edit: Is the pitch I mentioned in Gortin now owned by the Gaelic Football club there now?

On the Fermanagh side there is a 3g pitch at the bawnacre in Irvinestown and there is a Gaa pitch at the forum in Enniskillen
Last time I checked there were 2 soccer pitches across the Gaa pitch at the forum though .

If the FODC were to ever develop their own MUSA-like sports facility, the Bawnacre or somewhere near would probably be a decent/compromise location for it.
Or maybe the Necarne  ?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on January 12, 2022, 05:35:20 PM
Hard to see past Kilcoo in the final. However Derrygonnelly have proved me wrong on their last 2 outings. They could win given a little luck.
       Still going for Kilcoo by 2
 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on January 12, 2022, 05:42:56 PM
The only guarantee is that it won't be pretty stuff but both these teams were built for winter football. Derrygonnelly have a big advantage around the midfield sector but Kilcoo are a very mobile side and can punish opposition teams on the break if they fall into the trap of slow build up play. I think it will go down to the wire but I would just give Kilcoo a slight edge. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on January 12, 2022, 06:20:06 PM
The only guarantee is that it won't be pretty stuff but both these teams were built for winter football. Derrygonnelly have a big advantage around the midfield sector but Kilcoo are a very mobile side and can punish opposition teams on the break if they fall into the trap of slow build up play. I think it will go down to the wire but I would just give Kilcoo a slight edge.
So did Glen but Kilcoo nullified their big men mostly. Will be a close one but fancy Kilcoo to edge it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 14, 2022, 09:05:41 AM
What province do the Ulster champions face in the AI club semi final this year?

Munster. Kilcoo are the current favourites for the All-Ireland, justified?

Is Mickey Moran still in charge? If so they'd be my favourites ahead of Stacks, Pearses and Kilmacud. Obviously Kilcoo and Austin Stacks have to win tomorrow first!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on January 14, 2022, 11:11:05 AM
What province do the Ulster champions face in the AI club semi final this year?

Munster. Kilcoo are the current favourites for the All-Ireland, justified?

Is Mickey Moran still in charge? If so they'd be my favourites ahead of Stacks, Pearses and Kilmacud. Obviously Kilcoo and Austin Stacks have to win tomorrow first!
Kilcoo play Sunday I think?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on January 14, 2022, 11:49:56 AM
What province do the Ulster champions face in the AI club semi final this year?

Munster. Kilcoo are the current favourites for the All-Ireland, justified?

Is Mickey Moran still in charge? If so they'd be my favourites ahead of Stacks, Pearses and Kilmacud. Obviously Kilcoo and Austin Stacks have to win tomorrow first!

Mickey Moran has never won an All Ireland to the best of my knowledge. I would have had Kilmacud down as favourites but if Mannion is going to be out for the season then that is a huge blow to their chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2022, 02:44:51 PM
What province do the Ulster champions face in the AI club semi final this year?

Munster. Kilcoo are the current favourites for the All-Ireland, justified?

Is Mickey Moran still in charge? If so they'd be my favourites ahead of Stacks, Pearses and Kilmacud. Obviously Kilcoo and Austin Stacks have to win tomorrow first!

Mickey Moran has never won an All Ireland to the best of my knowledge. I would have had Kilmacud down as favourites but if Mannion is going to be out for the season then that is a huge blow to their chances.

They were poor enough in their county final and I wouldn't say they would be the best of the rest. If Kilcoo get past their match I'd fancy them to win
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on January 14, 2022, 03:46:29 PM
What province do the Ulster champions face in the AI club semi final this year?

Munster. Kilcoo are the current favourites for the All-Ireland, justified?

Is Mickey Moran still in charge? If so they'd be my favourites ahead of Stacks, Pearses and Kilmacud. Obviously Kilcoo and Austin Stacks have to win tomorrow first!

Mickey Moran has never won an All Ireland to the best of my knowledge. I would have had Kilmacud down as favourites but if Mannion is going to be out for the season then that is a huge blow to their chances.

They were poor enough in their county final and I wouldn't say they would be the best of the rest. If Kilcoo get past their match I'd fancy them to win
Kilcoo are a different animal imo, serious ability to grind out wins against the odds and nullify good players. Theyíre favourites for me but Derrygonnelly wonít be easily beat- was only a point in it the last time.

Mannion some loss for Kilmacud.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Truth hurts on January 14, 2022, 04:10:14 PM
Kilcoo will walk to the all Ireland
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on January 14, 2022, 08:06:43 PM
Kilcoo to beat Derrgonnelly
Stacks to beat Barrs
Kilmacud to beat Pearses
Kilcoo to beat Stacks
The final is game I have the most doubt about - I'm leaning towards Kilmacud at the moment but only slightly.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on January 15, 2022, 07:59:40 PM
Kilcoo  1/4    1/6  lift cup
Draw     9/1
Derrygonnelly 4/1    7/2 lift cup

Kilcoo definitely favorites but 4/1 for Derrygonnelly very generous i think. Got to be a close game given the defensive setup of both teams. 

Draw / draw  66/1!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on January 15, 2022, 08:01:47 PM
Kilcoo  1/4    1/6  lift cup
Draw     9/1
Derrygonnelly 4/1    9/2 lift cup

Kilcoo definitely favorites but 4/1 for Derrygonnelly very generous i think. Got to be a close game i think.

Draw / draw  66/1!
does that mean draw after extra time? Worth a punt surely??

Assuming it goes to penalties ffs
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on January 15, 2022, 08:03:07 PM
Kilcoo  1/4    1/6  lift cup
Draw     9/1
Derrygonnelly 4/1    9/2 lift cup

Kilcoo definitely favorites but 4/1 for Derrygonnelly very generous i think. Got to be a close game i think.

Draw / draw  66/1!
does that mean draw after extra time? Worth a punt surely??

Assuming it goes to penalties ffs

1st half  draw  2nd half draw   
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on January 15, 2022, 08:11:49 PM
Kilcoo  1/4    1/6  lift cup
Draw     9/1
Derrygonnelly 4/1    9/2 lift cup

Kilcoo definitely favorites but 4/1 for Derrygonnelly very generous i think. Got to be a close game i think.

Draw / draw  66/1!
does that mean draw after extra time? Worth a punt surely??

Assuming it goes to penalties ffs

1st half  draw  2nd half draw   
Ahhh ok. 66/1 looks worth a bet for that.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on January 16, 2022, 04:27:40 PM
Dour spectacle of a match, Derrygonnelly looked scared stiff that half and retreated their entire side behind the 45m line effectively trying to beat Kilcoo at their own game. Mad stuff altogether, itís a long time since I seen a Gaelic football side have so little possession in a half of football. How can you expect to score without getting the ball back.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: armaghniac on January 16, 2022, 04:30:20 PM
Dour spectacle of a match, Derrygonnelly looked scared stiff that half and retreated their entire side behind the 45m line effectively trying to beat Kilcoo at their own game. Mad stuff altogether, itís a long time since I seen a Gaelic football side have so little possession in a half of football. How can you expect to score without getting the ball back.

Good crowd. Ideal weather for January.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wolfetones on January 16, 2022, 04:35:57 PM
How the Kilcoo goal was allowed to stand is baffling. Clearly fouled the ball and ref fairly close to it. Not that it will matter it appears.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on January 16, 2022, 04:36:11 PM
Dour spectacle of a match, Derrygonnelly looked scared stiff that half and retreated their entire side behind the 45m line effectively trying to beat Kilcoo at their own game. Mad stuff altogether, itís a long time since I seen a Gaelic football side have so little possession in a half of football. How can you expect to score without getting the ball back.

Kilcoo have squeezed the life out of the contest.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2022, 04:56:21 PM
How the Kilcoo goal was allowed to stand is baffling. Clearly fouled the ball and ref fairly close to it. Not that it will matter it appears.

What was the foul?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Mourne Red on January 16, 2022, 05:02:01 PM
How the Kilcoo goal was allowed to stand is baffling. Clearly fouled the ball and ref fairly close to it. Not that it will matter it appears.

What was the foul?

Think heís referring to over-carrying.. I counted 7 steps, but he was doing the old hold the ball out in your hand and claim a couple of steps before kicking the ball
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Nanderson on January 16, 2022, 05:02:14 PM
How the Kilcoo goal was allowed to stand is baffling. Clearly fouled the ball and ref fairly close to it. Not that it will matter it appears.

What was the foul?
think he took like 6 steps would have been harsh to disallow it
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on January 16, 2022, 05:05:14 PM
Brutal match, kilcoo will have had harder training sessions than this. Derrygonnelly have been so poor.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Onthe40 on January 16, 2022, 05:06:18 PM
Jezis Derrygonnelly what the fek.. Kilcoo in second gear all way through
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on January 16, 2022, 05:07:40 PM
The thing I think Kilcoo do the best is their off the ball running.

Team-mates not in possession consistently make runs into space to offer the man in possession of the ball an excellent easy option to move the ball on.

I think it's something that isn't coached enough in Gaelic football - where to go when you team has possession in respect of the player in possession.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on January 16, 2022, 05:08:48 PM
Derrygonnelly management should actually be banned from coaching teams again.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2022, 05:13:19 PM
Doesn't say much for the Tyrone club teams.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: armaghniac on January 16, 2022, 05:13:58 PM
That's it, in black and white.
How many different coloured hats has Mickey Moran worn at games and how many of these involved silverware?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wolfetones on January 16, 2022, 05:15:54 PM
How the Kilcoo goal was allowed to stand is baffling. Clearly fouled the ball and ref fairly close to it. Not that it will matter it appears.

What was the foul?
think he took like 6 steps would have been harsh to disallow it

If you include the steps he fouled it twice. He dummied the ball from one hand to the other. It's irrelevant in the grander scale of things.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Nanderson on January 16, 2022, 05:21:10 PM
How the Kilcoo goal was allowed to stand is baffling. Clearly fouled the ball and ref fairly close to it. Not that it will matter it appears.

What was the foul?
think he took like 6 steps would have been harsh to disallow it

If you include the steps he fouled it twice. He dummied the ball from one hand to the other. It's irrelevant in the grander scale of things.
not a foul because he didnt lose contact of the ball between going from one hand to the other
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2022, 05:22:45 PM
How the Kilcoo goal was allowed to stand is baffling. Clearly fouled the ball and ref fairly close to it. Not that it will matter it appears.

What was the foul?
think he took like 6 steps would have been harsh to disallow it

If you include the steps he fouled it twice. He dummied the ball from one hand to the other. It's irrelevant in the grander scale of things.
not a foul because he didnt lose contact of the ball between going from one hand to the other

Yeah Iíve looked at it twice there, would have been the slightest of transfers if it was. Cheeky and clever to do that
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wolfetones on January 16, 2022, 05:24:15 PM
How the Kilcoo goal was allowed to stand is baffling. Clearly fouled the ball and ref fairly close to it. Not that it will matter it appears.

What was the foul?
think he took like 6 steps would have been harsh to disallow it

If you include the steps he fouled it twice. He dummied the ball from one hand to the other. It's irrelevant in the grander scale of things.
not a foul because he didnt lose contact of the ball between going from one hand to the other

Yeah Iíve looked at it twice there, would have been the slightest of transfers if it was. Cheeky and clever to do that

I haven't watched it back but I would have called him for it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on January 16, 2022, 05:43:28 PM
Very disappointing display from Derrygonnelly. They setup to defend and hit on the break but only managed to defend(poorly). Kilcoo dominated from start to finish.
       Kilcoo still looked fresh at the end and were fit to take on some quality players from the bench. Will be hard to beat.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 16, 2022, 06:25:27 PM
Out of Interest, I always wondered why that hand transfer was a foul.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Nanderson on January 16, 2022, 06:42:40 PM
Out of Interest, I always wondered why that hand transfer was a foul.
i think its seen as throwing the ball
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on January 16, 2022, 06:57:15 PM
Out of Interest, I always wondered why that hand transfer was a foul.

Maybe it was felt that if a player could juggle it back and forth between hands constantly, that it would making tackling too hard ?

Maybe a hatred of the ambidextrous? I've a vivid memory of a nun whacking a lad sitting in front of me with a ruler for using his left hand to write.

Struggling to think of any one reason behind it. If the rule was abandoned would it make that much difference to the game?

The actual rule is

Quote
When a player is in possession of the ball, it may be
:-changed from one hand to the other once, with the original holding hand maintaining contact until the change is completed;

Also like a whole chunk of rules in the GAA rule book it's very badly written - a significant amount of the time when in possession you will have two hands on the ball - especially when you catch it - and it ignores this aspect completely. It just assumes a player will be holding the ball with one hand.

I think the rule book should explicitly state what the rule is with regard to hopping the ball and soloing in relation to this rule.

I've seen players switch hands with a hop on occasion and they often seem to get away with it, even though technically it's seems like it should be a foul.

Similarly with soloing I've seen occasions where a player will switch hands via the solo due to a tackle or a shoulder and and I don't think it's fully clear whether or not this should be regarded as a foul because I'm not sure if not being in full control of the ball for a micro-second means that they weren't in possession.

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: full moon on January 16, 2022, 08:05:34 PM
As good as Kilcoo are I think their negativity may cost them in the end, probably Kilmacud will beat them in the final.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2022, 08:18:16 PM
As good as Kilcoo are I think their negativity may cost them in the end, probably Kilmacud will beat them in the final.

If youíre scoring 3-10 I donít see it as negative
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Nanderson on January 16, 2022, 08:21:13 PM
As good as Kilcoo are I think their negativity may cost them in the end, probably Kilmacud will beat them in the final.
I'll tell you this from experience Kilcoo are equally as impressive in a shoot out game than they are at defensive style football
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: charlieTully on January 16, 2022, 09:11:25 PM
As good as Kilcoo are I think their negativity may cost them in the end, probably Kilmacud will beat them in the final.


How were they negative. Their opposition literally refused to try anything. At one stage I thought kilcoo could have kept possession for a 3-1 victory. Bizarre. Derrygonnelly management owe them lads one hell of an apology setting up like that. Go and try and win a game of football ffs.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: full moon on January 16, 2022, 09:11:55 PM
As good as Kilcoo are I think their negativity may cost them in the end, probably Kilmacud will beat them in the final.
I'll tell you this from experience Kilcoo are equally as impressive in a shoot out game than they are at defensive style football
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If youíre scoring 3-10 I donít see it as negative

They do get a lot of men behind the ball though. They break as such pace mind, probably one of the fastest teams man for man I've watched.

Will be interesting on the bigger pitch in Croker. Are the semi finals in HQ too?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on January 16, 2022, 09:14:44 PM
They are like a team of 400 metre runners, I donít remember a more athletic club side in recent times. They are conditioned and trained like an inter county side. However in terms of footballers they have very few stand out players but the team is greater than the sum of the parts.

Very hard to play against and if Mannion is out for the rest of the season then I think theyíll go on and win the AI title. Itís admirable what theyíve done for a small rural club but it definitely hasnít been pretty to watch.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: full moon on January 16, 2022, 09:16:27 PM
As good as Kilcoo are I think their negativity may cost them in the end, probably Kilmacud will beat them in the final.


How were they negative. Their opposition literally refused to try anything. At one stage I thought kilcoo could have kept possession for a 3-1 victory. Bizarre. Derrygonnelly management owe them lads one hell of an apology setting up like that. Go and try and win a game of football ffs.

I don't think they were negative today but just in general they get a lot of men behind the ball in their own 45.

Derrygonnelly probably weren't going to win in any system. Could not get scores. It was fairly tight until the first goal but a poor game overall really.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: full moon on January 16, 2022, 09:22:10 PM
They are like a team of 400 metre runners, I donít remember a more athletic club side in recent times. They are conditioned and trained like an inter county side. However in terms of footballers they have very few stand out players but the team is greater than the sum of the parts.

Very hard to play against and if Mannion is out for the rest of the season then I think theyíll go on and win the AI title. Itís admirable what theyíve done for a small rural club but it definitely hasnít been pretty to watch.

Agree, the pace is very difficult to stop. They also seem to be a very light team, quite small but so quick to get close too.

Most inter county teams are probably carrying too much weight to play like this. People were saying Derrygonnelly were a team of big lumps of men but it never really made a difference today.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on January 16, 2022, 09:29:27 PM
They are like a team of 400 metre runners, I donít remember a more athletic club side in recent times. They are conditioned and trained like an inter county side. However in terms of footballers they have very few stand out players but the team is greater than the sum of the parts.

Very hard to play against and if Mannion is out for the rest of the season then I think theyíll go on and win the AI title. Itís admirable what theyíve done for a small rural club but it definitely hasnít been pretty to watch.

Agree, the pace is very difficult to stop. They also seem to be a very light team, quite small but so quick to get close too.

Most inter county teams are probably carrying too much weight to play like this. People were saying Derrygonnelly were a team of big lumps of men but it never really made a difference today.

Yes, they are all very lean footballers whereas Derrygonnelly had plenty of lads carrying some timber. But yet Derrygonnelly refused to try and physically engage Kilcoo beyond their own 45 for the entire first half. It was madness as it allowed Kilcoo to control possession on the periphery for long spells. They must have had 80-90% possession in the first half which is unheard of in Gaelic football. In contrast to the Munster final which, while error strewn, the crowd in the Athletic Grounds must have been bored stiff.


You would have to think that a bigger pitch might suit Kilcoo even more since it will only help their speed of attacks.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2022, 09:59:39 PM
Refíd them in a challenge game couple years ago, I was surprised at how light they were, but I earned my expenses that night, lightning fast and not afraid to mix it either,

Canít see them bate tbh
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: thebuzz on January 16, 2022, 10:01:51 PM
As good as Kilcoo are I think their negativity may cost them in the end, probably Kilmacud will beat them in the final.

Definitely looked like Derrygonnelly were the more negative team today and the game was over at half time because of it.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Mikhailov on January 16, 2022, 10:19:21 PM
They are like a team of 400 metre runners, I donít remember a more athletic club side in recent times. They are conditioned and trained like an inter county side. However in terms of footballers they have very few stand out players but the team is greater than the sum of the parts.

Very hard to play against and if Mannion is out for the rest of the season then I think theyíll go on and win the AI title. Itís admirable what theyíve done for a small rural club but it definitely hasnít been pretty to watch.

Agree, the pace is very difficult to stop. They also seem to be a very light team, quite small but so quick to get close too.

Most inter county teams are probably carrying too much weight to play like this. People were saying Derrygonnelly were a team of big lumps of men but it never really made a difference today.

I wouldnít necessarily agree they are a light team but they are certainly lean & strong. Obviously are very well conditioned in the gym work and the pitch work. Every player can take and give the physical hits & cover the ground at pace.
Near the end today on a fast counter attack the Derrygonnelly no4 had all day to line up and smash Jerome Johnson and he did. Johnson immediately gets up, unflinched, Kilcoo lads nearby took no notice of the hit and the no4 gets black carded. Summed them up I thought - just a ruthless, efficient outfit.
Another point on their conditioning is that it is nearly almost the same team (very few injuries) which indicates a high level of S&C work. 
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on January 16, 2022, 10:24:45 PM
Their mobility and movement are very impressive. They are a team who have conducted themselves in ways I wouldnít be fond of but they have reached another level and are streets ahead of most. They just played the game on their terms from what I saw and opened up when they needed to.

If kilmacaud have mannion that would make it a difficult game for them but other than that I couldnít see them beat. The Brannigan family are a family of handy footballers.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: snoopdog on January 16, 2022, 10:48:44 PM
As good as Kilcoo are I think their negativity may cost them in the end, probably Kilmacud will beat them in the final.
I'll tell you this from experience Kilcoo are equally as impressive in a shoot out game than they are at defensive style football
I would agree. I've seen kilcoo play football when they need to. They weren't the negative side today or against Ramor. They can mix it. I think they will have too much for what's left. Pearces possibly the dark horses.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Rossfan on January 16, 2022, 11:12:11 PM


If kilmacaud have mannion that would make it a difficult game for them but other than that I couldnít see them beat. The Brannigan family are a family of handy footballers.
It's Kilcoo v Barrs and Pearses v Kilmacud. ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: bannside on January 17, 2022, 07:48:27 AM
What we saw from Kilcoo this year was nothing short of a managerial/coaching masterclass. Yes, there's a good base of talented players and natural athletes, but yesterday's performance was as complete to perfect as you could imagine. It ticked just about every box.

Whether they go defensive or all out attack it dosent matter, this team are trained to within an inch of their lives. In particular, two aspects stand out, total unselfishness and level of support play. And don't even mention fitness or conditioning.

It's as professional a set up as you can get, very obviously Mickey Conleith and co are throwing the proverbial kitchen sink at bringing home the Andy Markham. Yesterday was just another step on that journey.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on January 17, 2022, 08:34:34 AM


If kilmacaud have mannion that would make it a difficult game for them but other than that I couldnít see them beat. The Brannigan family are a family of handy footballers.
It's Kilcoo v Barrs and Pearses v Kilmacud. ;)

Come back to me on that...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on January 17, 2022, 08:37:04 AM
Kilcoo are some outfit. Donít know what Derrygonnelly were at playing like that, didnt have  hope of breaking out and getting scores. Kilcoo full back was very impressive as was Daryl Branagan, some boost to get him back. I dont even think it will matter that much if Mannion plays or not tbh heíll have a hard time against that defence.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: general_lee on January 17, 2022, 09:09:18 AM
Derrygonnelly got it so wrong. The intensity of the Kilcoo warm up vs the dg was night and day. Could over hear their manager saying to keep in touch until the first water break or something to that effect (which they did) but just got the impression that the belief was lacking. It was a case of damage limitation right from the start and eventually the wheels just came off completely. Having so ceremoniously dumped Clann …ireann in the semi final I had expected them to play with a bit more purpose. Not to take away from Kilcoo who were brilliant. They patiently got on with things, their fitness and athleticism alone are the benchmark for any aspiring club. The dg players tried a few of the dark arts and didnít get so much as a reaction from the magpies. Am I right in saying a neighbour of kilcoo will be lining out for barrs?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on January 17, 2022, 09:15:13 AM
Derrygonnelly got it so wrong. The intensity of the Kilcoo warm up vs the dg was night and day. Could over hear their manager saying to keep in touch until the first water break or something to that effect (which they did) but just got the impression that the belief was lacking. It was a case of damage limitation right from the start and eventually the wheels just came off completely. Having so ceremoniously dumped Clann …ireann in the semi final I had expected them to play with a bit more purpose. Not to take away from Kilcoo who were brilliant. They patiently got on with things, their fitness and athleticism alone are the benchmark for any aspiring club. The dg players tried a few of the dark arts and didnít get so much as a reaction from the magpies. Am I right in saying a neighbour of kilcoo will be lining out for barrs?
yeah, Colm McCrickard who has moved to Cork and plays for Barr's used to play for Liatroim in Down which is practically next door to kilcoo
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 09:19:48 AM
Derrygonnelly got it so wrong. The intensity of the Kilcoo warm up vs the dg was night and day. Could over hear their manager saying to keep in touch until the first water break or something to that effect (which they did) but just got the impression that the belief was lacking. It was a case of damage limitation right from the start and eventually the wheels just came off completely. Having so ceremoniously dumped Clann …ireann in the semi final I had expected them to play with a bit more purpose. Not to take away from Kilcoo who were brilliant. They patiently got on with things, their fitness and athleticism alone are the benchmark for any aspiring club. The dg players tried a few of the dark arts and didnít get so much as a reaction from the magpies. Am I right in saying a neighbour of kilcoo will be lining out for barrs?
yeah, Colm McCrickard who has moved to Cork and plays for Barr's used to play for Liatroim in Down which is practically next door to kilcoo

It will add a bit of spice to it as Liatriom and Kilcoo would not pull too well.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: johnnycool on January 17, 2022, 09:39:11 AM
Derrygonnelly got it so wrong. The intensity of the Kilcoo warm up vs the dg was night and day. Could over hear their manager saying to keep in touch until the first water break or something to that effect (which they did) but just got the impression that the belief was lacking. It was a case of damage limitation right from the start and eventually the wheels just came off completely. Having so ceremoniously dumped Clann …ireann in the semi final I had expected them to play with a bit more purpose. Not to take away from Kilcoo who were brilliant. They patiently got on with things, their fitness and athleticism alone are the benchmark for any aspiring club. The dg players tried a few of the dark arts and didnít get so much as a reaction from the magpies. Am I right in saying a neighbour of kilcoo will be lining out for barrs?
yeah, Colm McCrickard who has moved to Cork and plays for Barr's used to play for Liatroim in Down which is practically next door to kilcoo

It will add a bit of spice to it as Liatriom and Kilcoo would not pull too well.

Who does pull well with Liatroim?  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 09:52:37 AM
Derrygonnelly got it so wrong. The intensity of the Kilcoo warm up vs the dg was night and day. Could over hear their manager saying to keep in touch until the first water break or something to that effect (which they did) but just got the impression that the belief was lacking. It was a case of damage limitation right from the start and eventually the wheels just came off completely. Having so ceremoniously dumped Clann …ireann in the semi final I had expected them to play with a bit more purpose. Not to take away from Kilcoo who were brilliant. They patiently got on with things, their fitness and athleticism alone are the benchmark for any aspiring club. The dg players tried a few of the dark arts and didnít get so much as a reaction from the magpies. Am I right in saying a neighbour of kilcoo will be lining out for barrs?
yeah, Colm McCrickard who has moved to Cork and plays for Barr's used to play for Liatroim in Down which is practically next door to kilcoo

It will add a bit of spice to it as Liatriom and Kilcoo would not pull too well.

Who does pull well with Liatroim?  ;D
LOL true. There seems to be a marmite approach to Kilcoo in the county. Some clubs love to congraulate them while others never mention them. I find it funny.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on January 17, 2022, 09:58:27 AM
Derrygonnelly got it so wrong. The intensity of the Kilcoo warm up vs the dg was night and day. Could over hear their manager saying to keep in touch until the first water break or something to that effect (which they did) but just got the impression that the belief was lacking. It was a case of damage limitation right from the start and eventually the wheels just came off completely. Having so ceremoniously dumped Clann …ireann in the semi final I had expected them to play with a bit more purpose. Not to take away from Kilcoo who were brilliant. They patiently got on with things, their fitness and athleticism alone are the benchmark for any aspiring club. The dg players tried a few of the dark arts and didnít get so much as a reaction from the magpies. Am I right in saying a neighbour of kilcoo will be lining out for barrs?
yeah, Colm McCrickard who has moved to Cork and plays for Barr's used to play for Liatroim in Down which is practically next door to kilcoo

It will add a bit of spice to it as Liatriom and Kilcoo would not pull too well.

Who does pull well with Liatroim?  ;D
LOL true. There seems to be a marmite approach to Kilcoo in the county. Some clubs love to congraulate them while others never mention them. I find it funny.
Plenty of rumours about scummy acts perpetrated by Kilcoo lads throughout the years and Iím yet to meet anyone from Down that doesnt totally despise them as a club.   
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: SHEEDY on January 17, 2022, 10:08:25 AM
Derrygonnelly got it so wrong. The intensity of the Kilcoo warm up vs the dg was night and day. Could over hear their manager saying to keep in touch until the first water break or something to that effect (which they did) but just got the impression that the belief was lacking. It was a case of damage limitation right from the start and eventually the wheels just came off completely. Having so ceremoniously dumped Clann …ireann in the semi final I had expected them to play with a bit more purpose. Not to take away from Kilcoo who were brilliant. They patiently got on with things, their fitness and athleticism alone are the benchmark for any aspiring club. The dg players tried a few of the dark arts and didnít get so much as a reaction from the magpies. Am I right in saying a neighbour of kilcoo will be lining out for barrs?
yeah, Colm McCrickard who has moved to Cork and plays for Barr's used to play for Liatroim in Down which is practically next door to kilcoo

It will add a bit of spice to it as Liatriom and Kilcoo would not pull too well.

Who does pull well with Liatroim?  ;D
LOL true. There seems to be a marmite approach to Kilcoo in the county. Some clubs love to congraulate them while others never mention them. I find it funny.
Plenty of rumours about scummy acts perpetrated by Kilcoo lads throughout the years and Iím yet to meet anyone from Down that doesnt totally despise them as a club.   
plenty of scummy acts surely but they wouldn't be the only club to cross the line in certain instances. Because they're kilcoo they probably get highlighted more than others,  a lot of it comes down to jealousy.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 10:11:21 AM
Derrygonnelly got it so wrong. The intensity of the Kilcoo warm up vs the dg was night and day. Could over hear their manager saying to keep in touch until the first water break or something to that effect (which they did) but just got the impression that the belief was lacking. It was a case of damage limitation right from the start and eventually the wheels just came off completely. Having so ceremoniously dumped Clann …ireann in the semi final I had expected them to play with a bit more purpose. Not to take away from Kilcoo who were brilliant. They patiently got on with things, their fitness and athleticism alone are the benchmark for any aspiring club. The dg players tried a few of the dark arts and didnít get so much as a reaction from the magpies. Am I right in saying a neighbour of kilcoo will be lining out for barrs?
yeah, Colm McCrickard who has moved to Cork and plays for Barr's used to play for Liatroim in Down which is practically next door to kilcoo

It will add a bit of spice to it as Liatriom and Kilcoo would not pull too well.

Who does pull well with Liatroim?  ;D
LOL true. There seems to be a marmite approach to Kilcoo in the county. Some clubs love to congraulate them while others never mention them. I find it funny.
Plenty of rumours about scummy acts perpetrated by Kilcoo lads throughout the years and Iím yet to meet anyone from Down that doesnt totally despise them as a club.   
plenty of scummy acts surely but they wouldn't be the only club to cross the line in certain instances. Because they're kilcoo they probably get highlighted more than others,  a lot of it comes down to jealousy.

Whataboutery
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Hoof Hearted on January 17, 2022, 10:26:39 AM
What we saw from Kilcoo this year was nothing short of a managerial/coaching masterclass. Yes, there's a good base of talented players and natural athletes, but yesterday's performance was as complete to perfect as you could imagine. It ticked just about every box.

Whether they go defensive or all out attack it dosent matter, this team are trained to within an inch of their lives. In particular, two aspects stand out, total unselfishness and level of support play. And don't even mention fitness or conditioning.

It's as professional a set up as you can get, very obviously Mickey Conleith and co are throwing the proverbial kitchen sink at bringing home the Andy Markham. Yesterday was just another step on that journey.

Is he related to Andy merrigan, the cup they are actually trying to win !!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on January 17, 2022, 11:17:41 AM
Kilcoo certainly look like a team on a mission, they are ultra professional in everything that they do. Even their celebrations were very noticeably subdued after winning the cup, I'd say most of them just went straight home to bed last night for an early night.

There has been a huge investment in coaching at that club that has gone on for over a decade now and that level of conditioning does not just come overnight, it is an ongoing process that takes years to attain. There is a culture ingrained in the club which makes it easier for younger players coming into the squad since it is up to them to get themselves up to the standard required very quickly. Laverty and other senior players are a big influence on that.

It might not be pretty to watch at times and they might not receive much love from other clubs in Down but it is winning football nonetheless and you have to respect them for that especially given the relatively small population base and where they started from.   
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2022, 11:48:23 AM
Derrygonnelly got it so wrong. The intensity of the Kilcoo warm up vs the dg was night and day. Could over hear their manager saying to keep in touch until the first water break or something to that effect (which they did) but just got the impression that the belief was lacking. It was a case of damage limitation right from the start and eventually the wheels just came off completely. Having so ceremoniously dumped Clann …ireann in the semi final I had expected them to play with a bit more purpose. Not to take away from Kilcoo who were brilliant. They patiently got on with things, their fitness and athleticism alone are the benchmark for any aspiring club. The dg players tried a few of the dark arts and didnít get so much as a reaction from the magpies. Am I right in saying a neighbour of kilcoo will be lining out for barrs?

I didn't see the warm ups but noticed after the first couple of runs the kilcoo lads looked a bit punctured, but that only lasted a few minutes then they were motoring the rest of the game, I used to hate warm ups, but done right they certainly set you up for the rest of the game
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tiempo on January 17, 2022, 11:56:26 AM
Was a shame not too see much celebration but Dg contributed to that, as someone else said Kc have had harder training sessions

Warm ups always interested me, its really on the player to know what works for them, there's no one size fits all, some need to break the first wind in the warm up others feel drained doing that, it seems as though Kc are superbly conditioned and coached (OK no doubt they are), but with Dg being so poor on the day its hard to figure exactly where Kc are at, the next day out will tell i suppose, would be nice to have the AI Club back in Ulster
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2022, 12:53:22 PM
Was a shame not too see much celebration but Dg contributed to that, as someone else said Kc have had harder training sessions

Warm ups always interested me, its really on the player to know what works for them, there's no one size fits all, some need to break the first wind in the warm up others feel drained doing that, it seems as though Kc are superbly conditioned and coached (OK no doubt they are), but with Dg being so poor on the day its hard to figure exactly where Kc are at, the next day out will tell i suppose, would be nice to have the AI Club back in Ulster

We can certainly judge them on the Glen game, and seeing how tough it was from Glen to get over the line against the Donegal champions, its a fair enough reflection of how well they can play.

For whatever reason, DG got it all wrong on the day, and there is no hiding place when that happens, that doesn't make them a bad team either and no doubt if they get past their own championship again they'll come back better prepared
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: yellowcard on January 17, 2022, 01:05:45 PM
Was a shame not too see much celebration but Dg contributed to that, as someone else said Kc have had harder training sessions

Warm ups always interested me, its really on the player to know what works for them, there's no one size fits all, some need to break the first wind in the warm up others feel drained doing that, it seems as though Kc are superbly conditioned and coached (OK no doubt they are), but with Dg being so poor on the day its hard to figure exactly where Kc are at, the next day out will tell i suppose, would be nice to have the AI Club back in Ulster

We can certainly judge them on the Glen game, and seeing how tough it was from Glen to get over the line against the Donegal champions, its a fair enough reflection of how well they can play.

For whatever reason, DG got it all wrong on the day, and there is no hiding place when that happens, that doesn't make them a bad team either and no doubt if they get past their own championship again they'll come back better prepared

I listened to the Derrygonnelly manager being interviewed before the game and remarked on just how nervous he sounded and that was exactly the way their team appeared on the pitch. They played not to lose or to keep the score down and looked frightened in that first half in particular. Probably they were never going to win that game no mater how they approached it but it would have been better to die with their boots on not left wondering.

At the time the Kilcoo Glenn game was flagged up as the de facto Ulster final and that is exactly how it transpired. It may even be the case that it was the virtual AI final if Kilcoo can continue their imperious form. The next few weeks will tell the tale.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Rossfan on January 17, 2022, 01:19:55 PM


If kilmacaud have mannion that would make it a difficult game for them but other than that I couldnít see them beat. The Brannigan family are a family of handy footballers.
It's Kilcoo v Barrs and Pearses v Kilmacud. ;)

Come back to me on that...

Just stating a fact....
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tintin25 on January 17, 2022, 02:00:56 PM
Derrygonnelly are better than what they showed, but to be honest regardless of what tactics they deployed there was only going to be one winner.  Kilcoo look like a team on a mission.  Honestly canít see any of the remaining teams posing them a problem.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: barnish oggie on January 17, 2022, 04:38:27 PM
Was a shame not too see much celebration but Dg contributed to that, as someone else said Kc have had harder training sessions

Warm ups always interested me, its really on the player to know what works for them, there's no one size fits all, some need to break the first wind in the warm up others feel drained doing that, it seems as though Kc are superbly conditioned and coached (OK no doubt they are), but with Dg being so poor on the day its hard to figure exactly where Kc are at, the next day out will tell i suppose, would be nice to have the AI Club back in Ulster

We can certainly judge them on the Glen game, and seeing how tough it was from Glen to get over the line against the Donegal champions, its a fair enough reflection of how well they can play.

For whatever reason, DG got it all wrong on the day, and there is no hiding place when that happens, that doesn't make them a bad team either and no doubt if they get past their own championship again they'll come back better prepared

I listened to the Derrygonnelly manager being interviewed before the game and remarked on just how nervous he sounded and that was exactly the way their team appeared on the pitch. They played not to lose or to keep the score down and looked frightened in that first half in particular. Probably they were never going to win that game no mater how they approached it but it would have been better to die with their boots on not left wondering.

At the time the Kilcoo Glenn game was flagged up as the de facto Ulster final and that is exactly how it transpired. It may even be the case that it was the virtual AI final if Kilcoo can continue their imperious form. The next few weeks will tell the tale.

Thought that too about the DG manager when he was talking before the game, seemed very nervous and that would definitely have transposed onto the players.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on January 17, 2022, 05:19:04 PM
Mickey Moran has won 5/7 Ulster clubs, some record. Will he go back to the county scene if Kilcoo win the AI?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: johnnycool on January 17, 2022, 07:07:17 PM
Derrygonnelly got it so wrong. The intensity of the Kilcoo warm up vs the dg was night and day. Could over hear their manager saying to keep in touch until the first water break or something to that effect (which they did) but just got the impression that the belief was lacking. It was a case of damage limitation right from the start and eventually the wheels just came off completely. Having so ceremoniously dumped Clann …ireann in the semi final I had expected them to play with a bit more purpose. Not to take away from Kilcoo who were brilliant. They patiently got on with things, their fitness and athleticism alone are the benchmark for any aspiring club. The dg players tried a few of the dark arts and didnít get so much as a reaction from the magpies. Am I right in saying a neighbour of kilcoo will be lining out for barrs?
yeah, Colm McCrickard who has moved to Cork and plays for Barr's used to play for Liatroim in Down which is practically next door to kilcoo

It will add a bit of spice to it as Liatriom and Kilcoo would not pull too well.

Who does pull well with Liatroim?  ;D
LOL true. There seems to be a marmite approach to Kilcoo in the county. Some clubs love to congraulate them while others never mention them. I find it funny.
Plenty of rumours about scummy acts perpetrated by Kilcoo lads throughout the years and Iím yet to meet anyone from Down that doesnt totally despise them as a club.

I don't.

But then again we only ever play them in the camogie.  ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: JoG2 on January 17, 2022, 07:22:18 PM
Derrygonnelly are better than what they showed, but to be honest regardless of what tactics they deployed there was only going to be one winner.  Kilcoo look like a team on a mission.  Honestly canít see any of the remaining teams posing them a problem.

Connacht, Leinster and Munster club champions won't cause them a problem? Big statement! As has been said, Mannion is missing for KCs, it's massive loss as he a phenomenal footballer. Really looking forward to the 2 semi finals
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Rossfan on January 17, 2022, 08:05:44 PM
When did an Ulster team last win the Club SF AI?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Nanderson on January 17, 2022, 08:09:10 PM
When did an Ulster team last win the Club SF AI?
cross in 2012
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 17, 2022, 08:15:53 PM
Hard to beat they are, but they brutal to watch with that style of fball which I hoped had died a death.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2022, 08:19:31 PM
Hard to beat they are, but they brutal to watch with that style of fball which I hoped had died a death.

They scored 3-10 against a team playing 15 men behind the ball, youíll not score that much in club football this time of year
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: ardtole on January 17, 2022, 08:38:46 PM
I dont know what people expect Kilcoo to do. It was Derrygonnolly that set the agenda, they had 15 men inside their 45.

They were left with no option but to keep the ball and probe for openings. Which they done emphatically.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on January 17, 2022, 09:31:18 PM
Hard to beat they are, but they brutal to watch with that style of fball which I hoped had died a death.

What would you have done differently?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Mikhailov on January 17, 2022, 10:08:36 PM
Hard to beat they are, but they brutal to watch with that style of fball which I hoped had died a death.

Scored 3 goals in first round and again in the final - do you expect free flowing attacking games in winter football?

Are you jealous perhaps?

Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: thewobbler on January 17, 2022, 10:46:06 PM
Hard to beat they are, but they brutal to watch with that style of fball which I hoped had died a death.

Scored 3 goals in first round and again in the final - do you expect free flowing attacking games in winter football?

Are you jealous perhaps?



You strike me as a man who has been force fed pot noodles for so long, that you think McDonalds a culinary delight.

The football Kilcoo play is extraordinarily effective. Their discipline is exceptional. Their decision making is exemplary. Their unselfishness knows no bounds.  But despite all that, itís nullifying - no, absolutely soul destroying, football  to watch.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2022, 11:02:46 PM
I get it, they have dominated Down football for so many years and looking in most clubs donít like teams that dominate their championship.

Their time will come to an end, club teams canít donít it for ever
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: thewobbler on January 17, 2022, 11:04:43 PM
I get it, they have dominated Down football for so many years and looking in most clubs donít like teams that dominate their championship.

Their time will come to an end, club teams canít donít it for ever

This is undoubtedly a part of it too.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: ardtole on January 18, 2022, 06:04:40 AM
I saw Aaron Brannigan interviewed after the game, his partner gave birth recently. Between him and his brothers they have 10 kids all boys, Conor Laverty has 5 kids all boys.

These boys could educate Aidan OBrien about breeding, the next generation is being prepared.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 18, 2022, 06:54:02 AM
And when have 'the next generation' ever came through. Its such a myth! From our lads point of view I didn't hear of any verbals or sledging in our semi final loss. Mind you the game was fairly intense so perhaps no time for it?? I'd say its more a case in Down where familiarity breeds this kinda thing.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: ardtole on January 18, 2022, 07:50:13 AM
Was just a joke really.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: johnnycool on January 18, 2022, 08:20:16 AM
I dont know what people expect Kilcoo to do. It was Derrygonnolly that set the agenda, they had 15 men inside their 45.

They were left with no option but to keep the ball and probe for openings. Which they done emphatically.

It was and as expected the first goal was crucial and when Kilcoo got it before half time (as well as tacking on a point) meant that DG had to come out to play in the second half. Once they left spaces in behind Kilcoo cut through at will and rattled over the big tally.

I think it was 0-3 to 0-2 for most of the first half and was hard watching, even with my limited Irish Burns and the commentator were making jokes about shot clocks and going off to make a cup of tea when Kilcoo had so much possession and seemingly doing very little with it.

A day of regret for the DG lads.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2022, 08:38:36 AM
Youíve got to break lines and get into the scoring zone, absolutely no point shooting from stupid angles or distance, we tell kids that every day, DG had players zone marking, very limited space and in football possession is king. Their tackles didnít create too much turn over ball, as Kilcoo were very comfortable on the ball snd a player always in support.

Patients paid off, if a team sets out like that you have to adopt, youíre not playing for the TV, youíre playing for you club, no trophies for losing with style.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on January 18, 2022, 08:53:15 AM
Youíve got to break lines and get into the scoring zone, absolutely no point shooting from stupid angles or distance, we tell kids that every day, DG had players zone marking, very limited space and in football possession is king. Their tackles didnít create too much turn over ball, as Kilcoo were very comfortable on the ball snd a player always in support.

Patients paid off, if a team sets out like that you have to adopt, youíre not playing for the TV, youíre playing for you club, no trophies for losing with style.
Agreed. Not sure what other way Kilcoo could have played on Sunday when Derrygonnelly seemingly showed up to try and keep the score down. 3-10 is serious scoring in a January game- could have been more with Johnstons missed goal chance in the second half, their number 5 i think it was had a chance to lob the keeper after a bad kickout late on when the game was dead as well but put it over the bar, couple of poor enough wides too from them.

Derrygonnelly would need to have a look at themselves playing like that, would probably have lost either way but surely could have went home with their heads held high and no regrets if theyíd went for it from the start.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: johnnycool on January 18, 2022, 09:35:19 AM
Youíve got to break lines and get into the scoring zone, absolutely no point shooting from stupid angles or distance, we tell kids that every day, DG had players zone marking, very limited space and in football possession is king. Their tackles didnít create too much turn over ball, as Kilcoo were very comfortable on the ball snd a player always in support.

Patients paid off, if a team sets out like that you have to adopt, youíre not playing for the TV, youíre playing for you club, no trophies for losing with style.

Not being overly knowledgable on the old football but surely with all this S&C going on a lad can kick a ball over from 45 metres out from the hands in open play and the scoring percentages would be higher if it was feckin practiced...

Having to try and work the ball to 30 metres out and less plays into the hands of teams packing the defence out in this zonal system with everyone inside their 45...

Kilcoo worked that goal well but if it hadn't of came when it did before half time then you could have well saw another 30 minutes of the same...
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: toby47 on January 18, 2022, 09:53:04 AM
Youíve got to break lines and get into the scoring zone, absolutely no point shooting from stupid angles or distance, we tell kids that every day, DG had players zone marking, very limited space and in football possession is king. Their tackles didnít create too much turn over ball, as Kilcoo were very comfortable on the ball snd a player always in support.

Patients paid off, if a team sets out like that you have to adopt, youíre not playing for the TV, youíre playing for you club, no trophies for losing with style.

Not being overly knowledgable on the old football but surely with all this S&C going on a lad can kick a ball over from 45 metres out from the hands in open play and the scoring percentages would be higher if it was feckin practiced...

Having to try and work the ball to 30 metres out and less plays into the hands of teams packing the defence out in this zonal system with everyone inside their 45...

Kilcoo worked that goal well but if it hadn't of came when it did before half time then you could have well saw another 30 minutes of the same...

With no offence at all intended - That is a nonsensical post.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on January 18, 2022, 10:03:57 AM
Youíve got to break lines and get into the scoring zone, absolutely no point shooting from stupid angles or distance, we tell kids that every day, DG had players zone marking, very limited space and in football possession is king. Their tackles didnít create too much turn over ball, as Kilcoo were very comfortable on the ball snd a player always in support.

Patients paid off, if a team sets out like that you have to adopt, youíre not playing for the TV, youíre playing for you club, no trophies for losing with style.

Not being overly knowledgable on the old football but surely with all this S&C going on a lad can kick a ball over from 45 metres out from the hands in open play and the scoring percentages would be higher if it was feckin practiced...

Having to try and work the ball to 30 metres out and less plays into the hands of teams packing the defence out in this zonal system with everyone inside their 45...

Kilcoo worked that goal well but if it hadn't of came when it did before half time then you could have well saw another 30 minutes of the same...
Itís club football, played in January. Most county teams would love players that could regularly get scores from outside the 45Ö
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2022, 10:16:20 AM
45 meter kicks for frees are very difficult to score never mind under pressure, whether we like it or not, football has evolved, watch a game from the 70ís, itís comical kamikaze keystone cops football!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: shawshank on January 18, 2022, 10:34:50 AM
Youíve got to break lines and get into the scoring zone, absolutely no point shooting from stupid angles or distance, we tell kids that every day, DG had players zone marking, very limited space and in football possession is king. Their tackles didnít create too much turn over ball, as Kilcoo were very comfortable on the ball snd a player always in support.

Patients paid off, if a team sets out like that you have to adopt, youíre not playing for the TV, youíre playing for you club, no trophies for losing with style.

Not being overly knowledgable on the old football but surely with all this S&C going on a lad can kick a ball over from 45 metres out from the hands in open play and the scoring percentages would be higher if it was feckin practiced...

Having to try and work the ball to 30 metres out and less plays into the hands of teams packing the defence out in this zonal system with everyone inside their 45...

Kilcoo worked that goal well but if it hadn't of came when it did before half time then you could have well saw another 30 minutes of the same...

your right. :o
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: armaghniac on January 18, 2022, 11:05:29 AM
45 meter kicks for frees are very difficult to score never mind under pressure, whether we like it or not, football has evolved, watch a game from the 70ís, itís comical kamikaze keystone cops football!


I wonder has any journalist or nerd compiled the percentage of 45s that have gone over for various decades? Very much the same thing over the years, 5 yards is actually 2% further. I expect you would find that good teams had someone to knock these over.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on January 18, 2022, 11:12:37 AM
There were boys scoring 45s when I was an under 14. (incidentally all of them were man children and none ever went on to senior football that I know of  ;D).

Football more risk averse these days. Keep possession and shoot when you are more sure of scoring.
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: tiempo on January 18, 2022, 11:27:39 AM
DG scored the opening point of the game, a thing of beauty from a fair way out on the right wing, that said Jones basically threw the leg at it, it was a low percentage attempt that crept over, fair play to him, but its not reliably reproducible, otherwise they would have taken the ball to that spot or similar areas and done it time and again, end of the day if landing scores from 40m+ was handy everyone would be at it, and there have been shooting/scoring studies done that confirm this, look them up

Note the game of basketball changed when the stats men got their point across that a game based around 3 pointers was a lot more effective than a game plan based on 2 pointers, the payoff for what is comparatively similar (or even less) in terms of effort (though requiring a higher skill level) is a 33% increase on the score board. In GAA terms, first off having the ball means you aren't conceding, it also means you control the terms of engagement, with no shot clock there is no reason to take pot shots, and the studies show that getting the ball to the optimal "scoring zone" is how you win the game
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 18, 2022, 12:21:12 PM
Well done to Kilcoo but youíd swear the way people are going on about them they were the best team ever in Ulster. Some people are actually stating that in some forums!

They play a very high intensity, hard working game and have a lot of talented players. They have the capacity to go the whole way but until they do I think there should be a wee bit of perspective about how good they are. I hope they do go on and win Andy but thereís still a few steps on that road yet
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: Targetman on January 19, 2022, 01:40:40 PM
Thanks for that insightful contribution!
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: shagger on January 23, 2022, 11:57:25 AM
I see the Gaelic Life all stars are back this year, who would be your best 15 from the ulster club championship?
Title: Re: Ulster Club SFC 2021
Post by: grounded on January 23, 2022, 02:14:33 PM
I see the Gaelic Life all stars are back this year, who would be your best 15 from the ulster club championship?

1 Niall Kane  Kilcoo

2 Niall Brannigan  Kilcoo       
3 Ryan McEvoy  Kilcoo         
4 Conor Carville Glen

5 micheal rooney kilcoo
 6 Ciaran mc Faul Glen       
7 Eugene Brannigan kilcoo

8 Dylan Ward  Kilcoo
9  Conor Glass  Glen

10 conor mc conville Clan Eireann
11shealin johnston Kilcoo       
12 Paul Devlin Kilcoo

13 jerome Jonston Kilcoo
14 Conal Jones  Derrygonnelly
15 Danny Tallon Glen

Kilcoo dominating for me with a good scattering of Glen players and one each from Clan Eireann and Derrygonnelly. In fairness Derrygonnelly probably deserve more but the final left it difficult to include many.