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Ok, but what do you think about my doubts about the rules?

Flash questions for all experts of the game.

Can a player, who has caught the ball, hop the ball and instead of catching the ball on the rebound, decide:

1. to fist it or touch it over an opponent's head, run around and repossess the ball (Clifford: https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1143603014072188929)
2. to fist it or touch it to pass to a teammate?
3. to score?
4. to push it to hop it many times like basketball?

And:
Can a player, who has caught the ball, solo the ball (kick it to himself) and instead of catching the ball again, decide:

1. to fist it or just touch it over an opponent's head, run around and repossess the ball?
2. to fist it or touch it to pass to a teammate?
3. to score?
4. to push it to hop it many times like basketball?

Thanks to everyone who will help me.

I try to make the question as simple and understandable as possible.

Are these sequences of actions legal or not?

1. catch the ball -> bounce many times without ever catching it like baskteball -> catch the ball again: legal or not?
2. catch the ball -> bounce many times without ever catching it like basketball -> I catch the ball again and then start bouncing it again like in basketball: legal or not?
3. catch the ball -> bounce many times without ever catching it like in basketball -> on the rebound I hit it with a hand or other part of the body to:
A. Pass it to a teammate
B. Score
C. Pass it to myself (similar to Clifford's action, he takes possession and hops the ball. After the hop he flicks it up in the air and catches it before it bounces. Maybe I would have thought this would be similar to handpassing the ball over someone's head and catching it.
But only here, in my example, the player dribbles it several times first).
legal or not?

Added to all this is the new official interpretation:
"For a player to play the ball against the ground with their hand(s) and back into their hands twice again except the basketball bounce, per se, is not a foul. A double bounce is not effected until the ball is caught on completion of the second bounce" & "Definition: For a player to play the ball against the ground with their hand(s) and back into their hands twice again except the basketball bounce, per se, is not a foul. A double bounce is not effected until the ball is caught on completion of the second bounce"
source: https://munster.gaa.ie/2010/05/playing-rule-changes-2010/

What does it mean? What does it mean for the game?

That's it. I'm afraid the rules don't provide official answers.

["For a player to play the ball against the ground with their hand(s) and back into their hands twice again except the basketball bounce, per se, is not a foul. A double bounce is not effected until the ball is caught on completion of the second bounce" & "Definition: For a player to play the ball against the ground with their hand(s) and back into their hands twice again except the basketball bounce, per se, is not a foul. A double bounce is not effected until the ball is caught on completion of the second bounce"]

Soccer does not have well defined rules - e.g. debate over if a foul is dangerous, reckless or just a foul leading to red card, yellow card or no action. And the interpretation of the handball rule which is also up for debate.

Soccer has all the rules and a huge amount of exegesis. The point there is only to interpret the entity of the foul and the consequent sanction but not the rule of the foul itself, that is very clear. But now that is not our topic.

If it was advantageous players would be coached to do it and you would see this action during matches across the globe. You don't so whatever situation you envisage would be extremely limited.

Anyway it would be an extra possibility for the player who has no defender in front of him. He would run much faster than the traditional bounce-4steps-solo and so on.

In so far as I am aware it is legal to do multiple bounces of the ball without catching it. If that is the answer you seek stop asking the question.

Ok, so getting back to the topic, if you catch the ball with your hands can you only do one bounce?
No, because I, probably wrongly being a complete neophyte, had interpreted the rule, as well as the new official interpretation, like this: the player can catch the ball and start bouncing it, that is, catch the ball, start bouncing it, all legal, but an action similar to double dribbe in basketball would have been illegal, but is all that illegal?

Schematizing it all:
- catch ball, hop as many times as you want since you don't catch the ball again, finally catch the ball: legal (in my opinion).
- catch ball, hop as many times as you want since you don't catch it again, finally catch the ball again, interrupting the dribble, and restart bouncing the ball again: illegal (in my opinion).

Is all this wrong?

What does the interpretation I posted, the official one, mean?

"For a player to play the ball against the ground with their hand(s) and back into their hands twice again except the basketball bounce, per se, is not a foul. A double bounce is not effected until the ball is caught on completion of the second bounce" & "Definition: For a player to play the ball against the ground with their hand(s) and back into their hands twice again except the basketball bounce, per se, is not a foul. A double bounce is not effected until the ball is caught on completion of the second bounce"

should the foul be called?

That is, the foul is whistled when he catches the ball that has bounced for the second time, i.e. the following:
- catch
- bounce
- rebound without catching it
- bounce second time
- recapture the ball,
at this moment the foul is whistled.

But if he hadn't picked up the ball again, would the foul still have been called?
Maybe he could have continued to bounce it, hit it to pass it to someone else, to score or to pass it to himself, what in these cases?

Can you give examples of how the ball can be bounced without catching it first?
I'll try to imagine how, correct me if I'm wrong please.
1. The player blocks the ball with one or two hands without catching it, the ball bounces from the hand(s) and continues on the ground so the player can continue to bounce it, correct?
2. The ball is already bouncing on the ground by itself and the player accompanies the movement by bouncing it as many times as he wants? Even along the entire length of the court?


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With all due respect, when would dribbling the ball be more advantageous than catching the ball and securely holding it? Dribbling the ball leaves it away from the body and at more risk.
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Precisely why prohibit something that would give greater spectacle and speed but at the same time would give more chances of losing the ball? That is, it is really almost impossible for someone to steal the ball. But in counterattack it is very advantageous to run by bouncing only.

Please to close the topic I beg you to answer all my questions.

I'm pretty serious. At a championship game yesterday a player bounced the ball did not take it in his hands, took a second bounce and caught the ball. No foul was given for this "dribble" and no one in the crowd complained or cared. If you are in doubt and want to play GAA then simply do not bounce the ball twice in a row.

But in fact if you read the new interpretation of bounce the action, described by you, is absolutely legal, or so I believe.
The dribble should be counted like this, but I'm not sure:
First bounce: player catches the ball, he can hop it as often as he likes once he doesn't catch it, and finally he catches the ball again. These actions should constitute only one bounce. Instead if after all this he were to start dribbling again in this case it would be a second bounce (a kind of double dribble of basketball).
This is the sequence:
1 Bounce: catch, hop as often as he likes and catch. 2 Bounce: catch and hop again, but the second hop would be completed only when the player now catches the ball again.
That is, theoretically until he catches the second dribble the player, I believe, could hit the ball to pass, to score or even to pass it to himself.
But I don't know if this is all correct. That's why I asked for help from you who know much more than me.

No player that I have ever seen has gained a tactical advantage from basketball style dribbling of the ball, it is irrelevant  as to playing the game properly if this is a technical foul or not.

Being able to dribble like in basketball in certain situations could be much more advantageous than doing the traditional 4 steps, bounce, solo and so on.
For example, in a counterattack situation, a player catches the ball and would run much faster if he could catch the ball and then bounce it many times like in basketball.

All sports have rules that can be picked apart and maybe this one can be interpreted in many ways, in any given match it will be for a referee to decide so any validation you get in here will not make a pile of difference  if you were standing on a pitch when a foul is given or not given.

A sport that is not well regulated will never be able to spread worldwide. See the well-defined rules of soccer, volleyball or basketball.

[except the basketball bounce, per se,is not a foul. A double bounce is not effected until the ball is caught oncompletion of the second bounce]

The point is that I come from Italy, where if you ask what Gaelic football is, no one knows.
Now me and some of my friends would like to play it and spread it here but we are having trouble understanding certain dynamics of the rules, you will agree with me that the rules are really poorly written. Like for example the limit to bouncing.

In the video I posted the player catches the ball, then does a hop, on the rebounce, instead of catching the ball again he does another hop and only at the end he catches the ball again. Now, following the official interpretation posted by me, in the men's game a "bounce" is completed once you retake possession of the ball (I want to clarify that the interpretation posted is not mine but the official one of the gaa)
you can hop it as often as you like once you don't catch it, or not?

Another doubt of mine: what is meant by this clarification to the rule?
"For a player to play the ball against the ground with their hand(s) and
back into their hands twice again except the basketball bounce, per se,
is not a foul. A double bounce is not effected until the ball is caught on
completion of the second bounce"
&
"Definition: For a player to play the ball against the ground with their hand(s) and back into
their hands twice again except the basketball bounce, per se, is not a foul. A double bounce is
not effected until the ball is caught on completion of the second bounce"

and this one:
"4. A ball that has not been caught may be bounced more than once in succession with one or both hands."
So how can you bounce it if you don't catch it? Possible examples?

The rule could refer to this, so we interpreted it:

Player catches the ball, bounces it as many times as he wants, this would constitute only one bounce, then catches it, interrupting the dribble, and then tries to bounce it again but the double dribble would only apply when this new series of dribbles ends at the moment the player catches the ball again, this would be the second time. This would essentially be the same as the double dribble rule in basketball.
This is following the new and official interpretation:
"5. Definition of bounce: "For a player who has caught the ball to play the ball against the ground with his hands and to catch it on return to his hands."

Change: This redefinition of the bounce has the effect that the "Basketball Type", bounce, per se, is not a foul.

A "double bounce" is not effected until the ball is "caught" on completion of the second bounce." https://munster.gaa.ie/2010/05/playing-rule-changes-2010/ is this the case or are we wrong? Please try to answer all the questions.

Control of the ball and double bouncing is a foul. Not in control of ball and bouncing a 100 times is not a foul

But with "Control of the ball and double bouncing" do you mean when the player has caught the ball and holds it in his hand(s)?
So a player catches the ball with his hands, hops the ball on the ground and, without catching the ball that bounces, hops the ball again, over and over again, without ever catching it again on the rebound, legal or not?

According to the interpretation I posted it would be legal, right?

I mean I don't understand how the dribble is counted.

What do you mean instead with "Not in control of ball and bouncing a 100 times is not a foul", that is if the player does not catch the ball he can dribble in the basketball style? But how can you not catch the ball and dribble?
I had interpreted, understood the rule as if it were the double dribble rules of basketball. That is, you can catch the ball, bounce the ball as many times as you want, but you cannot interrupt the dribble, catch it again then start bouncing the ball again.


Is there a video tutorial that explains which bouncing is legal and which is not?

It is a foul whenever the referee blows his whistle. Theoretical interpretation of the rules of gaelic football is a pointless pursuit.

Are you serious or are you joking? If the rules are not clear how can you play a sport?

[Is catching the ball and then starting to dribble like in basketball illegal?Or would it be illegal when someone catches the ball, starts to dribble, basketball style, and then catches the ball again and starts to dribble again, that is, in short, the double dribble of basketball?]

He didn't really loose control of the ball there in that clip, he bounced it and straight away bounced it again, he can have no complaints

He didn't really loose control of the ball there in that clip, he bounced it and straight away bounced it again, he can have no complaints

He looked like he was acting the ballix - foul

He was handy enough not to look guilty - no foul

Similar to interpretation of steps

But what would the new interpretation, which I posted above, mean?
I mean, I just can't understand when it is legal to dribble like in basketball and when it is not?

Is catching the ball and then starting to dribble like in basketball illegal?
Or would it be illegal when someone catches the ball, starts to dribble, basketball style, and then catches the ball again and starts to dribble again, that is, in short, the double dribble of basketball?

I don't understand the dynamics of the foul? I mean, I just don't understand when this continuous bouncing is a foul or not.

I found some more precise information regarding the possibility of dribbling the ball like in basketball.

-5. Definition of bounce: "For a player who has caught the ball to play the ball against the ground with his hands and to catch it on return to his hands."

Change: This redefinition of the bounce has the effect that the "Basketball Type", bounce, per se, is not a foul.

A "double bounce" is not effected until the ball is "caught" on completion of the second bounce.-

So are the following actions legal or not?

1. I catch the ball and then start dribbling, basketball style but with one or two hands (two hands is illegal in basketball but is it also illegal in Gaelic football?) and then I stop dribbling and pass the ball away to a teammate.

2. I catch the ball and then start dribbling, basketball style, then I catch the ball as before but I start dribbling for a second time but in the end I will never catch the ball again but will hit it with one hand or foot to A. pass it to someone else, B. to score, C. to pass it to myself and then now catch it again in possession.

3. Or is the "second bounce" rule to be understood in this way: I catch the ball, start dribbling, basketball style, but now I can no longer catch the ball otherwise it will be a foul?

I didn't really understand the dynamics of the rule. For example, I catch the ball, bounce one time then, without catching the ball, I continue to dribble, but in the posted video it's a foul.

MR is the only one who can tell, on here, what might work from a ref's level but you'd like to think that's happening at HQ too.

Gianni too of course

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I posted some images to explain myself better but the message was delete? Why? Could anyone help me?

Well let's go in order.
A.

The problem with the rules here is that there is no definition of what a player in possession of the ball is.
Not everyone agrees that a player can dribble the ball like basketball. Infact the definition of caught is to keep the ball or to keep the ball from falling to the ground, I don't remeber verbatim. So if a player stops the ball with one hand to the side, he has technically caught the ball.
I mean when you can dribble the ball basketball style, not having caught the ball, and when you couldn't.
If you catch the ball with two hands? Or when? In basketball if you catch the ball then you can bounces the ball. Here not? If a player stops the ball, but but he doesn't catch the ball, but only stops it like a goalkeeper's save in football, would this be considered a catch?

It would be absolutely advantageous to dribble, one could run for a stretch much faster and then when danger arrives take the ball in his hands.

B.

not sure what the D means/is.

I mean holding the ball with hand/s and then hitting It with the head, should it be not legal? Is throwing the ball?

This?

C.

These questions are obscure as are the rules. question 3 .. You can't switch the ball from hand to hand when in possession, if not fully in possession you can touch it as many times as you want in the 'air' if in possession of the ball he can't basketball style the ball up the pitch, as he's in possession of the ball.

I mean without catching the ball in flight you keep bounce the ball in air, like juggling, with one hand like this:



Or with two hands like this:

If you can touch the ball in the air as many times as you like could you continue to bounce the ball off your hand (like the ball on the Hurling bat)? With one hand  or with twoas in the pics?

The rule is To play the ball up with the hand(s) and catch it again before it touches the ground, another player, or goal-posts
Nobody talks about the player having to catch the ball or having to be in control of the ball. If the rule applies to the letter, a player could not touch the ball in the air and then touch it again until the ball touches the ground, a post, or another player. Or am I wrong?

D.

Question 5. anyone on the pitch that does the Sombrero trick (had to google what it was) I'd gladly turn a blind eye and let the defender mill him. but on the rules of play he can do all three. As he's not in possession

So you can touch the balls with feet or any part of the body except the hands and then you could:
1. Catch the ball, obviously.
2. Hit the ball with your hand/s to make it change direction.
3. Hit the ball many times on one hand(s).
4. Hit the ball with one hand(s) and then catch it?

I doubt 3 and 4 are legals.

E.

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Rule: A player may toss up the ball with one hand and play it off with the same hand.

It is not a male or female question, but a lexical question.
I mean what play it off with the same hand mean?. So a player tosses up the ball with right hand, surpass a player and then he can catch it with right hand, legal?

Regarding this aspect of the rules, i.e. dribbling like in basketball, I have read several ideas on this forum about it.
Those who say it would be legal:

My understanding is that you can hop the ball as many times as you want to gain control of it initially. Up to ref then to decide when you deemed to have control

My understanding is that you were correct until last year or the year before when they changed the interpretation on the rule so that even if your attempting to control the ball referees are supposed to now award a free against

Do you know, was it a foul "under the old rule" if you changed the bouncing hand?

Does that mean then that under the "old rules" that you could bounce the ball basketball style the whole length of the pitch?

Technically yes, but you try doing that against 15 Meathmen!!

This is all the Official Guide says abut it - interpret as you will:

Rule 1.5: When the ball has not been caught, it may be
bounced more than once in succession.

Rune 4.6 (under technical fouls): To bounce the ball
more than once consecutively after catching it.

It doesn't mention anything about control - only catching the ball. So I'd interpret that as allowing a basketball type dribble the length of the field if you fancy trying it. The Meathmen couldn't do a thing about it these days, Louth Exile without provoking a concerto of multicoloured card waving.

Those who consider it illegal.

Not really, you still couldn't be 'not in possession' for the whole length of the pitch, technically or otherwise. In practice, the ref will give you three bounces max (maybe four), and if you haven't managed to control it by then and have it in your possession, you'll be whistled up for overcarrying. Unless you're playing in a snowstorm.

I vaguely recall some rule change alright or talk of it, can you or anyone confirm this ?

up until then it was allowed to bounce the ball (I deem a 'hop' the action of a ball that is under control) was allowed a few times until the player brought the ball under control.
I actually recall thinkig about this some 20 years ago to see if I would actually use this to solo up the field a wee bit while feigning lack of control.
Realised this was stupid and thought better of it.

A decent ref would spot when its under control anyhow, but if that rule had not been applied as DMcKeown says, then the ref was incorrect awarding a free against gardiner on sunday.

This, however, is doubtful.

This is all the Official Guide says abut it - interpret as you will:

Rule 1.5: When the ball has not been caught, it may be
bounced more than once in succession.

Rune 4.6 (under technical fouls): To bounce the ball
more than once consecutively after catching it.

It doesn't mention anything about control - only catching the ball. So I'd interpret that as allowing a basketball type dribble the length of the field if you fancy trying it. The Meathmen couldn't do a thing about it these days, Louth Exile without provoking a concerto of multicoloured card waving.

Technically the rule is poor written. What constitutes possession? If I stop the ball from the side is it caught?

not sure what the D means/is.

I mean holding the ball with hand/s and then hitting It with the head, should it be not legal? Is throwing the ball?

Question 2 you can 'basketball' the ball all the way up the pitch, as you have not taken the ball in with both hands or in 'control' of the ball, not used as a play as the ball is exposed and easy to tackle

So if you stop the ball with hand/s buy not catch It could you bounce the ball?

These questions are obscure as are the rules. question 3 .. You can't switch the ball from hand to hand when in possession, if not fully in possession you can touch it as many times as you want in the 'air' if in possession of the ball he can't basketball style the ball up the pitch, as he's in possession of the ball.

I mean without catching the ball in flight you keep bounce the ball in air, like juggling, with one hand like this:



Or with two hands like this:

Could anyone help me understand these rules? Please! I beg you! I'm also willing to pay.

1. When the player is in possession of the ball, the ball is held in his hands, he could:
  A. throw the ball in the air and catch it again with your hands? I think not, right?
  B. throw the ball in the air, hit it with any part of the body except arms and hands and then catch it in the hands? I don't think so, am I right?
  C. throw the ball and hit it with any part of the body, maybe like someone throws the ball in the air and then hits it with his head, legal?
  D. Bringing the ball with the hands at head height and then, without either throwing or releasing it, hitting the ball with the head or any part of the body except the hands, legal?

2. Rule: 1.5 When the ball has not been caught, it may be bounced more than once in succession.. So a player could control the ball with one hand (or two?) and play it basketball style as far as he wants? It would be much easier than soloing so how come we don't see it? The reason I expect is that 'caught' does not infer with both hands?

3. When a player tries to catch a ball in the air he may touch the ball several times with his hands as long as he has control of it. But could he continue to bounce the ball from his hand into the air as Hurling players do with stick and ball?
Rule: To play the ball up with the hand(s) and catch it again before it touches the ground, another player, or goal-posts
But, according to the rule, a player, once he touches the ball once in the air, cannot touch it a second or third time?
I believe as long as he can't control the ball the player could do it, but if we interpret the rule literally this wouldn't be legal, would it?

4. Situation: a player takes possession and hops the ball.

 A. After the hop he flicks it up in the air and catches it before it bounces the ground, a posts or a player.
 B. he flicks it to pass the ball to someone else.
 C. he flicks it to score a goal.
are A, B, C legals?

5. Situation: a player with the foot or with other parts of body but the hands tries a "Sombrero trick" and:
 A. in the air he strikes the ball with hand/s to an other direction.
 B. in the air he strikes the ball with hand/s and then he caught it.
 C. in the air he caught it with hand/s and goes on.

6. Ladies Gaelic football allows this:
Rule: A player may toss up the ball with one hand and play it off with the same hand.
So a player toss up the ball with right hand, surpass a player and then he can catch it with right hand, legal?
What does play it off mean

Thanks