OK, we are still waiting for the 2017 championship to begin, so we need something else for amusement this week.
Taking the idea from the video* of Peter Canavan posted by O'Neill in the Top Forwards thread for a new best team survey.
Please list your top 15 players (not from your own county) who have played since the qualifiers were introduced in 2001 as if it could be your fantasy team for the 2017 championship. Here are the rules:
1. Put the name your county at the top of your list
2. Do NOT pick players from your own county (to avoid obvious county bias)
3. List your team of top players from 1 to 15 no subs
4. Please give the full forename and surname of your players to help with the collation of scores
5. Do not list the county of the players in your list
6. Please do not add numbers to your list
7. Each of the 6 lines will be counted separately to decide on the overall best team
* https://youtu.be/m4Zh0CE-lzA (https://youtu.be/m4Zh0CE-lzA)
Tyrone
1. Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
2. Karl Lacey (Donegal)
3. Barry Owens (Fermanagh)
4. Andy Mallon (Armagh)
5. Lee Keegan (Mayo)
6. Cian O'Sullivan (Dublin)
7. Tomas O'Se (Kerry)
8. Darragh O'Se (Kerry)
9. Paul McGrane (Armagh)
10. Benny Coulter (Down)
11. Ciaran McDonald (Mayo)
12. Oisin McConville (Armagh)
13. Stevie McDonnell (Armagh)
14. Kieran Donaghy (Kerry)
15. Paddy Bradley (Derry)
I've tried to go for players who played a good 6/7 years at least after 2001.
County: Derry
1.Cluxton Dublin
2. M O'Se Kerry
3. Owens Fermanagh
4. Lacy Donegal
5. Jordan Tyrone
6. Moynihan Kerry
7. T O'Se Kerry
8. M Murphy Donegal
9. D O'Se Kerry
10. Cavanagh Tyrone
11. Dec O'Sullivan Kerry
12. M Clarke Down
13. C Cooper Kerry
14. O' Donaghue Kerry
15. Coulter Down
Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
Marc Ó Sé (Kerry)
Barry Owens (Fermanagh)
Karl Lacey (Donegal)
Tomás Ó Sé (Kerry)
Cian O'Sullivan (Dublin)
Lee Keegan (Mayo)
Darragh Ó Sé (Kerry)
Sean Cavanagh (Tyrone)
Michael Donnellan (Mayo)
Colm Cooper (Kerry)
Stephen O'Neill (Tyrone)
Peter Canavan (Tyrone)
Pádraic Joyce (Galway)
Bernard Brogan (Dublin)
Mayo.
1 Stephen Cluxton
2 Marc O Sé
3 Barry Owens
4 Philly McMahon
5 Tomás Ó Sé
6 Cian O'Sullivan
7 Graham Canty
8 Darragh Ó Sé
9 Michael Murphy
10 Michael Meehan
11 Trevor Giles
12 Sean Cavanagh
13 Colm Cooper
14 Padraig Joyce
15 Peter Canavan
Armagh
1. James Reilly
2. Marc O'Se
3. Barry Owens
4. Ryan McMenamin
5. Tomas O'Se
6. Seamus Moynihan
7. Karl Lacey
8. Darragh O'Se
9. Neil Gallagher
10. Paul Galvin
11. Ciaran McDonald
12. Ryan McHugh
13. Colm Cooper
14. Michael Murphy
15. Stephen O'Neill
Tyrone
1. Cluxton
2. Marc O'Se
3. Neil McGee
4. Keith Higgins
5. Lee Keegan
6. Kieran McGeeney
7. Tomas O Se
8. Dara O Se
9. Michael Murphy
10. Paul Galvin
11. Declan O'Sullivan
12. Oisin McConville
13. Stevie McDonnell
14. Kieran Donaghy
15. Gooch
Tyrone
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Sean Marty Lockhart
3. Darren Fay
4. Karl Lacey
5. Tomas O'Se
6. Seamus Moynahan
7. Lee Keegan
8. Dara O'Se
9. Anthony Tohill
10. Oisin McConville
11. Enda Muldoon
12. Trevor Giles
13. Gooch
14. Colin Corkery
15. Stephen McDonnell
Interesting that one person has picked an outfield dublin player!
Cluxton
Marc o'se
Rory o'carroll
Karl lacey
Tomas o'se
Cian o'sullivan
Philip jordan
Dara o'se
Sean cavanagh
Dooher
Declan o'sullivan
Connolly
Gooch
Mcdonnel
Canavan
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Philip McMahon
3. Barry Owens
4. Ryan McMenamin
5. Lee Keegan
6. Conor Gormley
7. Tomas O Se
8. Darragh O Se
9. Sean Cavanagh
10. Paul Flynn
11. Brian McGuigan
12. Oisin McConville
13. Colm Cooper
14. Kieran Donaghy
15. John Doyle
Quote from: thewobbler on April 23, 2017, 10:16:43 PM
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Philip McMahon
3. Barry Owens
4. Ryan McMenamin
5. Lee Keegan
6. Conor Gormley
7. Tomas O Se
8. Darragh O Se
9. Sean Cavanagh
10. Paul Flynn
11. Brian McGuigan
12. Oisin McConville
13. Colm Cooper
14. Kieran Donaghy
15. John Doyle
Interesting...you left out the best footballing Ó Sé..eyebrows raised at Star..Doyle's a good shout.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 23, 2017, 10:00:01 PM
Tyrone
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Sean Marty Lockhart
3. Darren Fay
4. Karl Lacey
5. Tomas O'Se
6. Seamus Moynahan
7. Lee Keegan
8. Dara O'Se
9. Anthony Tohill
10. Oisin McConville
11. Enda Muldoon
12. Trevor Giles
13. Gooch
14. Colin Corkery
15. Stephen McDonnell
You can't pick any Tyrone men! ;)
Down
1. Slephen Clexton
2. Marc Ó Sé
3. Michael Shields
4. Ryan McMenamen
5. Tomás Ó Se
6. Séamul Moynihan
7. Jack McCaffery
8. Darrragh Ó Sé
9. Paul Mc Grane
10. Diarmuid Connelly
11. Brian McGuigan
12.Ciaran McDonald
13. Colm Cooper
14. Andy Moran
15. Peter Canavan
This will probably change in an hour ::)
2. Do NOT pick players from your own county (to avoid obvious county bias)
Hardly applies to Down. ;)
Not one mention of Keith Higgins in the CB slots yet. Only Marc O'Se comes close to him. Fantastic all-round footballer.
Quote from: Syferus on April 23, 2017, 10:47:58 PM
Not one mention of Keith Higgins in the CB slots yet. Only Marc O'Se comes comes to him. Fantastic all-round footballer.
I know of at least one man who can rectify that....
Amazing how people can't follow simple instructions.
I think only 2 of the ten teams named so far are posted as requested. Congrats Farrandeelin and Bennycake
;D
If you can't get a kick out of annoying Brannigan, you're dead inside.
Quote from: ONeill on April 23, 2017, 10:58:59 PM
If you can't get a kick out of annoying Brannigan, you're dead inside.
:)
Kildare
Stephen Cluxton
Marc O Se
Rory O'Carroll
Keith Higgins
Tomas O Se
Cian O'Sullivan
Karl Lacey
Dara O Se
Sean Cavanagh
Paul Flynn
Trevor Giles
Brian McGuigan
Colm Cooper
Padraic Joyce
Peter Canavan
County: Dublin
Gary Connaughton
Marc O'Se
Barry Owens
Keith Higgins
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Philip Jordan
Darragh O'Se
John Galvin
Darran O'Sullivan
Ciaran McDonald
Declan O'Sullivan
Colm Cooper
Mattie Forde
Conor McManus
Quote from: dublin7 on April 24, 2017, 05:55:06 PM
County: Dublin
Gary Connaughton
Marc O'Se
Barry Owens
Keith Higgins
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Philip Jordan
Darragh O'Se
John Galvin
Darran O'Sullivan
Ciaran McDonald
Declan O'Sullivan
Colm Cooper
Mattie Forde
Conor McManus
Darran O'Sullivan?
A lad who has never nailed down a place in his county side throughout his career?
Gaillimh
Stephen Cluxton
Marc Ó Sé
Cormac McAnallen
Keith Higgins
Lee Keegan
Karl Lacey
Tomás Ó Sé
Brian Fenton
John McDermott
Owen Mulligan
John Doyle
Brian Dooher
Ciaran Mc Donald
James O Donoghue
Bernard Óg Brogan
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Quote from: dublin7 on April 24, 2017, 05:55:06 PM
County: Dublin
Gary Connaughton
Marc O'Se
Barry Owens
Keith Higgins
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Philip Jordan
Darragh O'Se
John Galvin
Darran O'Sullivan
Ciaran McDonald
Declan O'Sullivan
Colm Cooper
Mattie Forde
Conor McManus
Darran O'Sullivan?
A lad who has never nailed down a place in his county side throughout his career?
Playing for your county has no bearing on your ability. I've seen plenty of forwards who didn't play county football despite being much better than players who regularly played for their county.
Dublin
1. Diarmuid Murphy
2. Marc O'Se
3. Graham Canty
4. Keith Higgins
5. Tomas O'Se
6. Seamus Moynihan
7. Graham Geraghty
8. Darragh O' Se
9. Sean Cavanagh
10. Brian Dooher
11. Colm Cooper
12. Declan O'Sullivan
13. Stephen O'Neil
14. Pad rain Joyce
15. Declan Browne
Quote from: The Stallion on April 24, 2017, 07:59:06 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 24, 2017, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 24, 2017, 05:55:06 PM
County: Dublin
Gary Connaughton
Marc O'Se
Barry Owens
Keith Higgins
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Philip Jordan
Darragh O'Se
John Galvin
Darran O'Sullivan
Ciaran McDonald
Declan O'Sullivan
Colm Cooper
Mattie Forde
Conor McManus
Darran O'Sullivan?
A lad who has never nailed down a place in his county side throughout his career?
Playing for your county has no bearing on your ability. I've seen plenty of forwards who didn't play county football despite being much better than players who regularly played for their county.
But Darran O'Sullivan did play county football, he just has spent a large chunk of it on the bench.
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 23, 2017, 10:52:53 PM
Amazing how people can't follow simple instructions.
I think only 2 of the ten teams named so far are posted as requested. Congrats Farrandeelin and Bennycake
;D
"6. Please do not add numbers to your list"
Even they didn't get it right.
Quote from: dec on April 24, 2017, 08:13:22 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 23, 2017, 10:52:53 PM
Amazing how people can't follow simple instructions.
I think only 2 of the ten teams named so far are posted as requested. Congrats Farrandeelin and Bennycake
;D
"6. Please do not add numbers to your list"
Even they didn't get it right.
That request was added after I saw the numbered lists. It is a bit of a pain to get rid of the numbers before collation.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 24, 2017, 08:10:10 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 24, 2017, 07:59:06 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 24, 2017, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 24, 2017, 05:55:06 PM
County: Dublin
Gary Connaughton
Marc O'Se
Barry Owens
Keith Higgins
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Philip Jordan
Darragh O'Se
John Galvin
Darran O'Sullivan
Ciaran McDonald
Declan O'Sullivan
Colm Cooper
Mattie Forde
Conor McManus
Darran O'Sullivan?
A lad who has never nailed down a place in his county side throughout his career?
Playing for your county has no bearing on your ability. I've seen plenty of forwards who didn't play county football despite being much better than players who regularly played for their county.
But Darran O'Sullivan did play county football, he just has spent a large chunk of it on the bench.
Sitting on the bench doesn't affect how good or.bad he was
Quote from: The Stallion on April 24, 2017, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 24, 2017, 08:10:10 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 24, 2017, 07:59:06 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 24, 2017, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 24, 2017, 05:55:06 PM
County: Dublin
Gary Connaughton
Marc O'Se
Barry Owens
Keith Higgins
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Philip Jordan
Darragh O'Se
John Galvin
Darran O'Sullivan
Ciaran McDonald
Declan O'Sullivan
Colm Cooper
Mattie Forde
Conor McManus
Darran O'Sullivan?
A lad who has never nailed down a place in his county side throughout his career?
Playing for your county has no bearing on your ability. I've seen plenty of forwards who didn't play county football despite being much better than players who regularly played for their county.
But Darran O'Sullivan did play county football, he just has spent a large chunk of it on the bench.
Sitting on the bench doesn't affect how good or.bad he was
The fact he couldn't even hold down a place on his own side makes it unlikely that he would be a realistic contender for this.
Tyrone
1. Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
2. Marc o se (Kerry)
3. Sean Marty Lockhart (Derry)
4. Karl Lacey (Donegal)
5. Lee Keegan (Mayo)
6. Keiran Mc Geeney (Armagh)
7. Tomas O'Se (Kerry)
8. Darragh O'Se (Kerry)
9. john galvin (limerick)
10. Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin)
11. Michael Murphy (Donegal)
12. Oisin McConville (Armagh)
13. Stevie McDonnell (Armagh)
14. Bernard og Brogan (Dublin) (bob)
15. Colm cooper (Kerry)
Hardy team. Some big names didn't make the cut, but that's football. Can be cruel.
Kildare
-------------------------------------------Cluxton
Marc Ó'Sé---------------------------Neil McGee----------------------Karl Lacey
Lee Keegan---------------------Kieran McGeeney----------------Sean óg de Paor
--------------------Daragh Ó'Sé--------------------Michael Murphy
Declan O'Sullivan---------------Ciarán McDonald---------------Sean Cavanagh
Colm Cooper--------------------Conor McManus----------------Oisín McConville
Leaving Canavan, O'Neill and all the other quality inside forwards out was difficult but McConville's club form and his consistency gave him the nod. Workhorses like Dooher, Galvin and Flynn were not needed in a team with this much class.
The forward line is flexible with Murphy and Cavanagh capable of drifting in and out, same with Cooper, McConville and McDonald all capable of rotating. Declan O'Sullivan is a deep playmaker.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 24, 2017, 08:41:44 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 24, 2017, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 24, 2017, 08:10:10 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 24, 2017, 07:59:06 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 24, 2017, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 24, 2017, 05:55:06 PM
County: Dublin
Gary Connaughton
Marc O'Se
Barry Owens
Keith Higgins
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Philip Jordan
Darragh O'Se
John Galvin
Darran O'Sullivan
Ciaran McDonald
Declan O'Sullivan
Colm Cooper
Mattie Forde
Conor McManus
Darran O'Sullivan?
A lad who has never nailed down a place in his county side throughout his career?
Playing for your county has no bearing on your ability. I've seen plenty of forwards who didn't play county football despite being much better than players who regularly played for their county.
But Darran O'Sullivan did play county football, he just has spent a large chunk of it on the bench.
Sitting on the bench doesn't affect how good or.bad he was
The fact he couldn't even hold down a place on his own side makes it unlikely that he would be a realistic contender for this.
I respect your opinion but I don't base my view of a player's ability on whether someone else thinks he should play or not.
Dublin
1 Paul Durcan
2 Marc O Sé
3 Barry Owens
4 Karl Lacey
5 Tomás Ó Sé
6 Kieran McGeeney
7 Philip Jordan
8 Darragh Ó Sé
9 Sean Cavanagh
10 Brian Dooher
11 Padraig Joyce
12 Johnny Doyle
13 Colm Cooper
14 Stephen O'Neill
15 Declan Browne
Offaly
Stephen Cluxton
Marc O'Sé
Seamus Moynihan
Keith Higgins
Tomás O'Sé
Kieran McGeeney
Lee Keegan
Sean Cavanagh
Darragh O'Sé
Brian Dooher
Declan O'Sullivan
Diarmuid Connolly
Colm Cooper
Peter Canavan
Stephen O'Neill
Tyrone
Stephen Cluxton
Keith Higgins
Barry Owens
Karl Lacey
Lee Keegan
Seamus Moynihan
Tomas O'Se
Darragh O'Se
Paul McGrane
Diarmuid Connolly
Ciaran McDonald
Declan O'Sullivan
Stevie McDonnell
Pauric Joyce
Colm Cooper
I would have liked to went with Darren Fay at full back, but probably didnt play enough in the period.
A toss up between mark O'Se and the two corner backs chosen
team subject to change on a wim at any time
Tyrone
Stephen Cluxton
Marc O'Sé
SM Lockhart
Neil McGee
Tomas O'Sé
Karl Lacey
Lee Keegan
Darragh O'Sé
Anthony Tohill
Diarmuid Connolly
Michael Murphy
Declan O'Sullivan
Colm Gooch Cooper
Stephen McDonnell
Bernard Brogan
Was surprised how many people went for Barry Owens and how few went for Tohill. Tohill retired in 2003 but I suppose he played his best football in the nineties.
Also noticed how many players of the year don't even get mentioned.
Can't understand how Canavan doesn't make most people's team yet he came first in the best forwards list. Interesting how players like Mugsy & S.O'Neill get mentioned before PTG.
The game has changed so much the last few years that players like McManus would have been player of the year and an all star several times if it wasn't for defensive systems. Brogan was like that in his first few years before getting double marked.
Jaysus. I forgot about Canavan!! I meant to put him Full Forward. Sorry Paraic.
Galway!
Stephen Cluxton
Marc O'Sé
Seamus Moynihan
Keith Higgins
Philip Jordan
Kieran McGeeney
Lee Keegan
Sean Cavanagh
Darragh O'Sé
Ciaran McDonald
Brian McGuigan
Diarmuid Connolly
Colm Cooper
Peter Canavan
Stephen O'Neill
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 23, 2017, 04:52:16 PM
OK, we are still waiting for the 2017 championship to begin, so we need something else for amusement this week.
Taking the idea from the video* of Peter Canavan posted by O'Neill in the Top Forwards thread for a new best team survey.
Please list your top 15 players (not from your own county) who have played since the qualifiers were introduced in 2001 as if it could be your fantasy team for the 2017 championship. Here are the rules:
1. Put the name your county at the top of your list
2. Do NOT pick players from your own county (to avoid obvious county bias)
3. List your team of top players from 1 to 15 no subs
4. Please give the full forename and surname of your players to help with the collation of scores
5. Do not list the county of the players in your list
6. Please do not add numbers to your list
7. Each of the 6 lines will be counted separately to decide on the overall best team
* https://youtu.be/m4Zh0CE-lzA (https://youtu.be/m4Zh0CE-lzA)
Are we supposed to be picking the 15 best players that were actively playing during that time period (even if they only played their last year of inter county in 2001 for example) or their actual performances within that time-period, disregarding what they may have done prior to 2001?
Just pick a team based on players who played from 2001 onwards. It is meant to be the best players in this 16 year period according to their positions in your opinion. I don't want another thread started about me because I am making any demand on a poster to set out a team of his/her choice in a particular format.
How about a thread for the top 15 from 1996-1999, Owen?
The reason I didn't go for Canavan is that he wasn't at his best after 01, was still a great player but was nowhere near as explosive as he was in the 90s.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 25, 2017, 05:23:45 PM
How about a thread for the top 15 from 1996-1999, Owen?
Why not from 96 to August 2001, Jinxy ?
You would get that last Kerry match in as well
Quote from: Jinxy on April 25, 2017, 05:23:45 PM
How about a thread for the top 15 from 1996-1999, Owen?
My 96-99 team:
Martin McNamara (could kick it really far)
Brian Lacey
Darren Fay
Sean Marty Lockhart
Finbarr Cullen
Seamus Moynihan
Sean óg de Paor
Kevin Walsh
Niall Buckley
Michael Donnellan
Trevor Giles
Anthony Tohill
Maurice Fitzgerald
Peter Canavan
Declan Browne
Would be a match for any other team of an other generation.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 25, 2017, 07:59:22 PM
The reason I didn't go for Canavan is that he wasn't at his best after 01, was still a great player but was nowhere near as explosive as he was in the 90s.
I didn't pick Giles for the same reason.
Should do a best 15 of June 1998-August 1998 next
County: Galway
Stephen Cluxton
Marc O'Sé
Barry Owens
Ryan McMenamin
Tomás O'Sé
Graham Canty
Philip Jordan
Darragh O'Sé
Seán Cavanagh
Paul Flynn
Declan O'Sullivan
Stephen O'Neill
Colm Cooper
Steven McDonnell
Bernard Brogan
Moynihan, Fay, Canavan, Fitzgerald etc. all left out because their best football was in the period before the introduction of the qualifiers.
Good point.
We should have a top 15 of the 'knock-out' era.
We're bound to have a good few lads on that team.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 26, 2017, 12:22:31 PM
Good point.
We should have a top 15 of the 'knock-out' era.
We're bound to have a good few lads on that team.
And have Seafoid start another thread!
I love all this shite about Canavan being past his best by 2001. He first played on a Tyrone team that won a championship match in 1994 and whilst Tyrone were decent in 95 and 96, they were muck thereafter until 2001, when his red card arguably cost Tyrone a first All-Ireland. So one of the greatest players ever had an effective "great" career from 94-96. Nonsense. Canavan's contribution to Tyrone 01-05 can't be underestimated and he should be an automatic choice for every team in this thread.
Except mine.
Derry
S Cluxton
M O Se
G Canty
K Higgins
T O Se
S Moynihan
L Keegan
D O Se
B Fenton
P Flynn
T Giles
D Connolly
C Cooper
M Murphy
B Brogan
Will probably change tomorrow. Not sure about all three O Se brothers and Joyce.
In fact, I've gassed Joyce already for Giles.
Stephen Cluxton
Keith Huggins
Seamus Moynihan
Graham Canty
Tomas O'Se
Kieran McGeeney
Dara O'Se
Sean Cavanagh
Brian Dooher
Declan O'Sullivan
Diarmuid Connolly
Colm Cooler
Michael Murphy
Peter Canavan
Missed Philip Jordan out at 7!
Armagh
1. Cluxton
2. M O'Se
3. Moynihan
4. McMenamin
5. T O'Se
6. C O'Sullivan
7. Keegan
8. C Whelan
9. D O'Se
10. D Connolly
11. A Brogan
12. McDonald
13. Cooper
14.O'Neill
15. Canavan
Interesting how many people choose Jordan before Conor Gormley. Is it for his attacking skills as I think most Tyrone fans would say block was one of our best ever defenders.
I laughed at Champion The Wonder Horse's post as I totally agree Canavan was still a great player from 2001-2005 despite his injuries. He made his debut for the seniors in the league in 1989 and championship the following year but had to wait 5 years for his first win in Ulster.
Good to see none of your Derry bias though influenced you over players like S.Cavanagh, Stevie O'Neill and Peter.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 27, 2017, 02:10:59 PM
Interesting how many people choose Jordan before Conor Gormley. Is it for his attacking skills as I think most Tyrone fans would say block was one of our best ever defenders.
I laughed at Champion The Wonder Horse's post as I totally agree Canavan was still a great player from 2001-2005 despite his injuries. He made his debut for the seniors in the league in 1989 and championship the following year but had to wait 5 years for his first win in Ulster.
Good to see none of your Derry bias though influenced you over players like S.Cavanagh, Stevie O'Neill and Peter.
I know its all about opinions and Gormley was superb but I would have Jordan on any team I picked. The most consistent performer on the Tyrone team throughout that era. I genuinely can't remember a game when I though Jordan underperformed and he really upped the ante in the biggest games - the 2005 final and 2008 semi final being particular highlights. I also remember being at a league game in Killarney around that time and a fairly weakened Tyrone team went down and beat Kerry, Jordan gave an absolute masterclass that day. Plus he upsets a lot of Armagh ones which is an added bonus!
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 27, 2017, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 27, 2017, 02:10:59 PM
Interesting how many people choose Jordan before Conor Gormley. Is it for his attacking skills as I think most Tyrone fans would say block was one of our best ever defenders.
I laughed at Champion The Wonder Horse's post as I totally agree Canavan was still a great player from 2001-2005 despite his injuries. He made his debut for the seniors in the league in 1989 and championship the following year but had to wait 5 years for his first win in Ulster.
Good to see none of your Derry bias though influenced you over players like S.Cavanagh, Stevie O'Neill and Peter.
I know its all about opinions and Gormley was superb but I would have Jordan on any team I picked. The most consistent performer on the Tyrone team throughout that era. I genuinely can't remember a game when I though Jordan underperformed and he really upped the ante in the biggest games - the 2005 final and 2008 semi final being particular highlights. I also remember being at a league game in Killarney around that time and a fairly weakened Tyrone team went down and beat Kerry, Jordan gave an absolute masterclass that day. Plus he upsets a lot of Armagh ones which is an added bonus!
Upsets is not a strong enough term.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 27, 2017, 02:45:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 27, 2017, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 27, 2017, 02:10:59 PM
Interesting how many people choose Jordan before Conor Gormley. Is it for his attacking skills as I think most Tyrone fans would say block was one of our best ever defenders.
I laughed at Champion The Wonder Horse's post as I totally agree Canavan was still a great player from 2001-2005 despite his injuries. He made his debut for the seniors in the league in 1989 and championship the following year but had to wait 5 years for his first win in Ulster.
Good to see none of your Derry bias though influenced you over players like S.Cavanagh, Stevie O'Neill and Peter.
I know its all about opinions and Gormley was superb but I would have Jordan on any team I picked. The most consistent performer on the Tyrone team throughout that era. I genuinely can't remember a game when I though Jordan underperformed and he really upped the ante in the biggest games - the 2005 final and 2008 semi final being particular highlights. I also remember being at a league game in Killarney around that time and a fairly weakened Tyrone team went down and beat Kerry, Jordan gave an absolute masterclass that day. Plus he upsets a lot of Armagh ones which is an added bonus!
Upsets is not a strong enough term.
too right it isnt
Was it just because he was from the Moy and went to school in Armagh, a bit like why the Derry wans aren't too fond out Dooher.
I wonder if the Armagh and Derry ones were to give us a top 5 of all time hated Tyrone players who would be in it.
Would PTG be No 1 though Mugsy must be well up there too.
Jordan certainly was Mr Consistency for a long time and he nearly always seem to get up for a point or two.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 27, 2017, 03:24:29 PM
Was it just because he was from the Moy and went to school in Armagh, a bit like why the Derry wans aren't too fond out Dooher.
No.
(http://i.imgur.com/ID1pI5f.jpg)
Probably more to do with the fact he was a serial cheat who came across as too cowardly to compete honestly with more talented opponents to be honest.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 27, 2017, 03:24:29 PM
Was it just because he was from the Moy and went to school in Armagh, a bit like why the Derry wans aren't too fond out Dooher.
I wonder if the Armagh and Derry ones were to give us a top 5 of all time hated Tyrone players who would be in it.
Would PTG be No 1 though Mugsy must be well up there too.
Jordan certainly was Mr Consistency for a long time and he nearly always seem to get up for a point or two.
I didn't particularly like some of Dooher's cynical fouling, it was nothing to do with where he's from.
And I don't hate any Tyrone players. There's a difference between thinking a player is a pathetic cheat and hating them.
Hate is a strong word. Can we say disliked Tyrone players??
Probably only Sean Cavanagh comes into that bracket. Maybe Davey Harte. Smug
I respected Canavan, Dooher, McGuigan, O'Neill, Gormley, Cavlan even Ricey. Great players.
You couldn't hate Mugsy either. Sure he's half Maghera himself!
O'Neill would be my favourite Tyrone player.
Class act.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 27, 2017, 02:10:59 PM
Interesting how many people choose Jordan before Conor Gormley. Is it for his attacking skills as I think most Tyrone fans would say block was one of our best ever defenders.
I laughed at Champion The Wonder Horse's post as I totally agree Canavan was still a great player from 2001-2005 despite his injuries. He made his debut for the seniors in the league in 1989 and championship the following year but had to wait 5 years for his first win in Ulster.
Good to see none of your Derry bias though influenced you over players like S.Cavanagh, Stevie O'Neill and Peter.
I'd have Gormley every day of the week over Jordan. In fact I have to say, for me Gormley is the best defender in the past 20 odd year, he could do it all, played right across the back line wherever he was needed and was Harte's go to man for the big job that had to be done in our defence. Think his best position was definitely at 6.
I say this without bias but I'm shocked that he has only made a few teams in this , he must be the most underrated player of his generation, conversely I'm also shocked to see Marc O'Se in so many teams. If ever there was a case of a guy dining out on his family name then it's Marc O'Se, he was a decent player but no way was he a top 5 corner back of his generation. His two brothers were absolute class but Marc was a steady, reasonably dependable player but it was telling that most Kerry managers asked Tom O'Sullivan to do the big jobs for them.
Catch yourself on Bomber!!! Marc O'Se was a class act. Held that Kerry FB line together for years after Moynihan etc retired!
Armagh
Cluxton
Mark O'Shea
K Fitzgerald
Gormley
T O'Shea
Canty
McCaffery
Cavanagh
D O'Shea
Connelly
Joyce
Ryan McHugh
Canavan
Donaghy
Cooper
I'm really surprised how little Brian McGuigan is featuring - I thought he was a top class play maker in that Tyrone half forward line when they were at their peak in the 00's
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 27, 2017, 05:36:50 PM
Catch yourself on Bomber!!! Marc O'Se was a class act. Held that Kerry FB line together for years after Moynihan etc retired!
He was in his f**k, anytime there was a big job to be done it was thrust on to Tom O'Sullivan.
Marc O'Se was a decent corner back but there's been far, far better in his own generation. If he had been Marc O'Leary he would be relatively unheralded.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 27, 2017, 04:21:04 PM
Hate is a strong word. Can we say disliked Tyrone players??
Probably only Sean Cavanagh comes into that bracket. Maybe Davey Harte. Smug
I respected Canavan, Dooher, McGuigan, O'Neill, Gormley, Cavlan even Ricey. Great players.
You couldn't hate Mugsy either. Sure he's half Maghera himself!
What the hell did Davy Harte ever do to annoy anyone?
Quote from: The Stallion on April 27, 2017, 04:11:50 PM
Probably more to do with the fact he was a serial cheat who came across as too cowardly to compete honestly with more talented opponents to be honest.
Jordan? You sure? He had a great battle with Declan O'Sullivan in the 2008 final.
Philly Jordan was a great player. I couldn't leave out Tomas O Se or Keegan, but I gave it consideration.
Quote from: randomusername on April 27, 2017, 08:26:34 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 27, 2017, 04:11:50 PM
Probably more to do with the fact he was a serial cheat who came across as too cowardly to compete honestly with more talented opponents to be honest.
Jordan? You sure? He had a great battle with Declan O'Sullivan in the 2008 final.
I'm quite sure Jordan was a cheat and indulge in some shameful antics on the pitch.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 27, 2017, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 27, 2017, 05:36:50 PM
Catch yourself on Bomber!!! Marc O'Se was a class act. Held that Kerry FB line together for years after Moynihan etc retired!
He was in his f**k, anytime there was a big job to be done it was thrust on to Tom O'Sullivan.
Marc O'Se was a decent corner back but there's been far, far better in his own generation. If he had been Marc O'Leary he would be relatively unheralded.
O'Sullivan was a good player but a spoiler. Christ Marc O'Se had everything in this locker. Some of his blocks. Unreal. The one against Tyrone in the SF two years ago springs to mind.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 27, 2017, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 27, 2017, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 27, 2017, 05:36:50 PM
Catch yourself on Bomber!!! Marc O'Se was a class act. Held that Kerry FB line together for years after Moynihan etc retired!
He was in his f**k, anytime there was a big job to be done it was thrust on to Tom O'Sullivan.
Marc O'Se was a decent corner back but there's been far, far better in his own generation. If he had been Marc O'Leary he would be relatively unheralded.
O'Sullivan was a good player but a spoiler. Christ Marc O'Se had everything in this locker. Some of his blocks. Unreal. The one against Tyrone in the SF two years ago springs to mind.
Was he not black carded after about 15mins that day? I can't recall his block, who was it on?
I find it interesting how different people get more annoyed by some players over others. I would have expected a lot more dislike for Ricey and Gormley as both were tough man markers who often bent the rules as much as they could yet a lot of fans get more annoyed with Sean Cavanagh for "going down easy" as Brolly would say.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 28, 2017, 05:56:59 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 27, 2017, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 27, 2017, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 27, 2017, 05:36:50 PM
Catch yourself on Bomber!!! Marc O'Se was a class act. Held that Kerry FB line together for years after Moynihan etc retired!
He was in his f**k, anytime there was a big job to be done it was thrust on to Tom O'Sullivan.
Marc O'Se was a decent corner back but there's been far, far better in his own generation. If he had been Marc O'Leary he would be relatively unheralded.
O'Sullivan was a good player but a spoiler. Christ Marc O'Se had everything in this locker. Some of his blocks. Unreal. The one against Tyrone in the SF two years ago springs to mind.
Was he not black carded after about 15mins that day? I can't recall his block, who was it on?
McAliskey if I remember correctly.
Quote from: randomusername on April 27, 2017, 08:25:04 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 27, 2017, 04:21:04 PM
Hate is a strong word. Can we say disliked Tyrone players??
Probably only Sean Cavanagh comes into that bracket. Maybe Davey Harte. Smug
I respected Canavan, Dooher, McGuigan, O'Neill, Gormley, Cavlan even Ricey. Great players.
You couldn't hate Mugsy either. Sure he's half Maghera himself!
What the hell did Davy Harte ever do to annoy anyone?
Read McConville's book
It's things like this which people don't like about many Tyrone players:
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/harte-to-examine-claims-in-mcconvilles-book-26328311.html
Whatever the facts about the accuracy of McConville's statements there, the slabbering from some of their players that I know of is reprehensible. Yet so many are quick to justify it as part of what it takes to be a winner.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on April 27, 2017, 08:04:02 PM
I'm really surprised how little Brian McGuigan is featuring - I thought he was a top class play maker in that Tyrone half forward line when they were at their peak in the 00's
I forgot about him to be honest
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 27, 2017, 03:24:29 PM
Was it just because he was from the Moy and went to school in Armagh, a bit like why the Derry wans aren't too fond out Dooher.
I wonder if the Armagh and Derry ones were to give us a top 5 of all time hated Tyrone players who would be in it.
Would PTG be No 1 though Mugsy must be well up there too.
Jordan certainly was Mr Consistency for a long time and he nearly always seem to get up for a point or two.
McMenamin
Mulligan
Cavanagh
Jordan
Whoever made that block on Stevie on the 03 final
Jordan for me was the best wing half back of the last 20 years. A man of iron. Rarely wasted a ball.
A serial cheat who should be ashamed of some of his behaviour on the pitch.