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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 17, 2021, 10:31:58 AM »
You're 100% right Stiffler. LD far too experienced and streetwise. Short odds on favourites and rightly so. We have Dermot missing and injury doubts over at least four other probable starters, we just can't get any consistency going this year at all. Anyone who has seen us recently will not disagree.

LD by six or eight.

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 15, 2021, 07:26:32 PM »
Another case study. Around  early eighties Ballinderry Shamrocks got suspended from adult competition due to poor discipline. The entire club senior panel was detailed for a 2 years to get involved with their juveniles and rebuild club from bottom up.

The result was that a generation of Ballinderry footballers were kingpins of Derry and Ulster football, resulting in winning the All Ireland club title in 2002.

From a middling team with poor discipline to the best football team in Ireland. That's quite a journey.

The only thing that changed was the mindset. Reset and put the work in.

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 15, 2021, 07:12:23 PM »
For Antrim schools to get to the standard that they would even be accepted into the Grade A competitions would be almost totally dictated by the quality of player that the surrounding clubs are sending in.

Which takes us back to where it all needs to start.....half a dozen feeder clubs getting on top of their juvenile development at club under 6 or 7 level.

I can't see us closing the gap any other way.

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 15, 2021, 05:52:48 PM »
Kickhams I haven't seen anybody downplaying how great it would be to have our schools being competitive in Grade A Ulster Colleges Football. The reality is....can you really see that happening, and if so how?

It hasn't happened for decades, how exactly do you see it happening now, when the dedication and energy needed to be competitive is higher than ever?

As I said previously, go win a couple of Grade Bs first.

Step back and look at the likes of St Pat's Maghera. Every year they get the cream of young talent from a dozen clubs including Lavey Bellaghy Slaughtneil Glen Ballinascreen Newbridge Castledawson Kilrea Dungiven plus others as well as from a few football families from Creggan Toome Portglenone Moneyglass etc.

Every one will have basic skills intact and go in with ambition of making their yeargroup squad. The biggest headache for teachers is who to leave out!

Now what part of that do you see happening in an Antrim school anytime soon?

I'd love it to happen, but sometimes you need to take a reality pill.

Let's build clubs up to far better standard and rising tide will lift all boats. Forget the pie in the sky stuff.

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 15, 2021, 01:59:43 PM »
Dunloy hurling the perfect example Flanker. 15 out of 30 SHC's. Amazing statistic.

From small acorns....

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 15, 2021, 01:51:15 PM »
St Louis had a principal half a dozen years ago who was very keen to promote the GAA ethos and development a pathway to better things. He made an appointment based on a strong verbal committment to try to take GAA in the school to the next level. That didn't work out quite as expected.....

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 15, 2021, 01:19:31 PM »
Exactly 50 years since a great St Mary's team won Hogan Cup.

What's not impossible is to get half a dozen good men in any club to get together and start a movement that centres around providing the optimum in juvenile development. That is in your own hands. What happens elsewhere is outside your control.

If every club committed to doing this the default position would be schools and county development squads would consist of a much better standard of player than what they currently expect. Clubs need to lead the way.

Once again I refer you to the St Galls model. Ok not all...but a majority started in the Bog Meadows at under 8 under the direction of a handful of dedicated mentors.  Somebody started a "movement" there that went all the way to being the best club in the country.

They didn't just build good players, they built a mindset. That's equally important.

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 15, 2021, 11:51:50 AM »
It may be quite a while until an Antrim school is playing Mc Rory. We all agree hypothetically it would be great, but until then it would be good to have 25 persons technically and physically developed in this age group across the county, never mind in one school. Let's win a few Mc Larnons first before talking about McRory.

Mc Rory is for schools who adopt Gaelic Football as their absolute main event outside of getting academic grades. As I said previously it would take a dozen dedicated teachers to deliver this standard, across 7 year groups.

That level of interest simply does not exist in Antrim schools....but for some reason it's as strong as ever in other Colleges across Ulster.

Feel free to disagree, especially if you're a teacher in this space with more of a finger on the pulse......I would absolutely love to be wrong on the matter!

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 14, 2021, 09:47:13 PM »
No Points. I know enough about the situation to know it was well intentioned. I know some of the names that were to be approached, but didn't see Gearoid ending up with the head job. Now that he has it I wish him won't be easy....but if he manages to make a tangible difference he will deserve all the credit he gets.

My account hasn't been hacked at all. I'm just seeing football at a low ebb, a very poor quality, compared to a decade ago. We aren't thriving at any level, club school or county. Something needs to change or we will be playing same record in ten years. The only place I trust enough for change to happen is within ambitious clubs. They need to waken up and take complete responsibility for their players development from A to Z. If a county development programme or school input adds a few % on the journey, that's a bonus.

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 14, 2021, 06:38:32 PM »
Zero, Zilch, Nada, Nil, Nothing! However we continue to watch this space with increasing interest. Surprising alright that public details are so non existent about such an important appointment.

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 14, 2021, 03:17:31 PM »
I have absolutely no doubt that in the right hands a "steering group" could safely bring 25 players through the system and return them as individuals with the right credentials to play at the highest level. You'd be looking at guys now aged 11 to 15, maybe 16, three to five in each year group. This is an eight to ten year plan.

(Check Pat Culhane, how to turn Limerick into a hurling empire, on You Tube. The story goes back over ten years).

There's so many aspects involved. Identifying talent. Make sure that talent is nurtured accordingly across all the disciplines, physical mental technical etc.

As I say in the right hands because this is like drawing a masterpiece. Many could try... but only the most dedicated to the attention of detail analysis, follow up, support structure and measurement procedure will succeed.

Those young players are amongst us. Can we turn them into diamonds?

The new director of football has a task ahead of him.

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 13, 2021, 11:00:37 PM »
You don't just play Mc Rory. You need to be accepted into the competition on merit, so unless a school is consistent throughout the various age groups they will remain confined to B Grade competition. Antrim schools used to be fairly competitive at B Grade level but I don't think they have been for quite a while. Is there a C Grade? Maybe Antrim schools could have a competition on their own!

Sincere apologies in advance to those genuinely dedicated teachers who have or do continue to serve in this capacity..but very obviously there is a huge problem in this regard. A teacher won't change need a dozen teachers stepping up, two or three with each year group. It's simply not happening atm.

Any teachers wish to confirm or refute? This is the way it looks from the outside looking in.

I'm telling you, it's all about the club. Get that right the rest will follow. If teachers thought they had a reasonable chance of success, a quality squad, then they may be more inclined to put their hand up. They shouldn't have to start explaining the basics. That should be in place before they come in the gate at secondary level.

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 13, 2021, 02:03:48 PM »
Roger, I often believed the hurlers got a better all round deal, but in recent years I'd say that isn't such an issue.

The money for all the necessary base level requirements are set aside for county senior hurlers and footballers. Neither Lenny nor Enda can point to any significant prevention of the tools or support the county board could offer. I think they are both on a level enough playing field as far as finance available for preparation goes.

The difference is that the hurlers got themselves very well organised. The Creagh family are all hurling daft and it's good that they are. Tony Shivers and others get actively involved because it's their passion. We can't fault that.

My view is that football people in our county deserve their lot. Not enough were prepared to stand up or say enough is enough.

You wait for the outcry, the big debate at County Committee, the rise up of club delegates, but time after time...nothing. Sometimes not even a conversation.... We learned to accept mediocrity long ago.

The only optimism I have left is when I see clubs starting to do things well. Where Gaelic Football is all that matters. Like in  Edendork or Trillick or Killyclougher or Pomeroy. Nothing there but a football pitch.

If we can drive that message home, and build in that all consuming passion and interest... then maybe the next generation can start to step out with confidence. Until then we may get used to it.

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 13, 2021, 01:41:31 PM »
Totally agree CK with what you said about Dublin. It was by promoting proper in club coaching structures that brought the Dubs to a new level. As the saying goes, a rising tide lifts all boats.

I saw St Brigid's under 13s in action last night. A joy to watch, well coached, unselfish, five or six exceptionally tall physical lads for their age, and skill level of highest order for their age. I'd be sure there are several grade As there from what I saw, and those are not easily found.

It dosent need to be doom and gloom. If clubs take more responsibility and up their committment, the quality coming down the track will begin to get noticeably better.

That way schools and county squads can benefit in the knock on effect.

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« on: October 13, 2021, 01:03:08 PM »
Take Dunloy hurlers as an example. Do Dunloy think they need to rely on schools or county development squads to make their players better. Not a chance.

They built their own facility, set up own centre of excellence, brought in own top rated S/C practitioners and most of al, treated their kids like kings from they were 6 years of age.

At no stage do they rely on a school or county led initiative to make THEIR players better.

That's the model right there as far as I can see!!

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