Atlantic - documentary

[Olly]

Just get on with it lads. You voted them in. Even if you'd vote the other ones in it'd be the same. Life is brutish.

[armaghniac]

Just get on with it lads. You voted them in. Even if you'd vote the other ones in it'd be the same. Life is brutish.

Better than being in the Brutish Empire, all the same.

[Olly]

I don't think so. We're happier up here. The southerners are eternally angry about everything.

[trileacman]

I don't think so. We're happier up here. The southerners are eternally angry about everything.

Agreed.

You haven't it that f**king bad. Stop whinging.

If the quality of life in Ireland is so poor for you f**k off to Lesotho or Angola or Yemen. People love to bitch about their lot, my aunt does a bit of occasional volunteer work with poverty ridden South Africans. The stories and photos she could show you about life for those poor would give you a real kick up the arse.

You're more than well enough off and it's pathetic you can't seem to recognise it.

[armaghniac]

I don't think so. We're happier up here. The southerners are eternally angry about everything.

Everyone who lives north of Camlough is sourer than last weeks milk.

[Denn Forever]

It is amazing how similar ae times the Newfoundland accent was so similar to the Irish accent.

Proof that St Brendan discovered America way before the Spanish.

[OgraAnDun]

It is amazing how similar ae times the Newfoundland accent was so similar to the Irish accent.

Proof that St Brendan discovered America way before the Spanish.

I thought some of them were Irish emmigrants that had been living for a long time in Canada for a while.

[armaghniac]

It is amazing how similar ae times the Newfoundland accent was so similar to the Irish accent.

Proof that St Brendan discovered America way before the Spanish.

2 + 2 = ∞

[Hound]

Finally got to watch this excellent documentary in its entirety last night on RTE1 last night (if you haven't seen it, do yourself a favour and watch it on the RTE player). Despite the fact that not a lot of the content relating to Ireland was new to me I was still tremendously angry after watching it and still am. Frankly anyone who thinks there's a justification for voting for FF or FG needs to watch this. Similarly, fans of the three card trick that is the EU need to think about this when evaluating "all the good" membership of that cabal has done us.

I hope people like AZ can understand why I'm so angry at our country and what a f*cked up mess it is. I deeply love our country and the greatness we should be reaching for. That's why I can't stand for the shittiness that we have to make do with and swallow all the time.

The bottom line is this - not only do FF and FG (and Labour since the 80's) not care about ordinary people, they actually despise us. I truly believe that. Yes, there are some lower level politicians who are "well intentioned"  idiot sheep but I'm not giving them a pass for being stupid. Look what's happening all around us. People say "what's the alternative" which saddens me. That's a conditioned groupthink response, the one fed to us by O'Reilly and to a lesser extent the state broadcaster (I can't believe they were allowed show this documentary last night). Failing and repeating the same process is the definition of stupidity.

Watched it last night, great documentary although very depressing. Interesting to note that after tax write offs, etc., the corrib gas will return almost nothing to the exchequer directly. You can somewhat understand giving away the fishing rights, perhaps the value wasn't fully understood and they were at least getting something in return. Nothing of the sort with exploration rights.

For me though, the overall message is the neglect of peripheral regions in favour of the large urban areas by the government here and across the world - Brexit & Trump played on this neglect in a negative fashion.

The oil thing can be rectified in large part at the stroke of a pen only the political will is not there. This fairy story of "oil companies won't drill" if you up the CT or demand better terms is another great lie bought into by the masses. When we were forced to pay 42% of Europe's bank debt we should have said, right so, 50% corporation tax for oil companies (as our Labour minister of the early 70's had set up - similar to Norway) but no - screw the ordinary Joe to the floor. Restart emigration. Wreck peoples lives. The sheep will still vote us in.

While I'm at the stats - we "own" 25% of Europe's fishing waters but have 4% of the quotas. The whole thing is criminal and people need to wake up.

There's absoutely no doubt the fisherman were the one sector absolutely screwed by our EU membership.

But the nonsense in the oil part really let the documentary down. Norway's 50% tax rate sounds great, but they also give 50% refunds to exploration ventrues that are unsuccessful. Which is fine for them, because the vast majority are successful. Unlike Ireland, where the vast majority are unsuccessful. If we had the same regime as Norway, we'd be far more broke than we are!

It's still up in the air whether there will be any profits from Corrib. Billions spent by the exploring companies. It's utterly ridiculous that some people suggest they should not be able to offset their costs against their income, like every other business is allowed to.

[muppet]

Hound, the suggestion most people made was that they some royalties.

[macdanger2]

Finally got to watch this excellent documentary in its entirety last night on RTE1 last night (if you haven't seen it, do yourself a favour and watch it on the RTE player). Despite the fact that not a lot of the content relating to Ireland was new to me I was still tremendously angry after watching it and still am. Frankly anyone who thinks there's a justification for voting for FF or FG needs to watch this. Similarly, fans of the three card trick that is the EU need to think about this when evaluating "all the good" membership of that cabal has done us.

I hope people like AZ can understand why I'm so angry at our country and what a f*cked up mess it is. I deeply love our country and the greatness we should be reaching for. That's why I can't stand for the shittiness that we have to make do with and swallow all the time.

The bottom line is this - not only do FF and FG (and Labour since the 80's) not care about ordinary people, they actually despise us. I truly believe that. Yes, there are some lower level politicians who are "well intentioned"  idiot sheep but I'm not giving them a pass for being stupid. Look what's happening all around us. People say "what's the alternative" which saddens me. That's a conditioned groupthink response, the one fed to us by O'Reilly and to a lesser extent the state broadcaster (I can't believe they were allowed show this documentary last night). Failing and repeating the same process is the definition of stupidity.

Watched it last night, great documentary although very depressing. Interesting to note that after tax write offs, etc., the corrib gas will return almost nothing to the exchequer directly. You can somewhat understand giving away the fishing rights, perhaps the value wasn't fully understood and they were at least getting something in return. Nothing of the sort with exploration rights.

For me though, the overall message is the neglect of peripheral regions in favour of the large urban areas by the government here and across the world - Brexit & Trump played on this neglect in a negative fashion.

The oil thing can be rectified in large part at the stroke of a pen only the political will is not there. This fairy story of "oil companies won't drill" if you up the CT or demand better terms is another great lie bought into by the masses. When we were forced to pay 42% of Europe's bank debt we should have said, right so, 50% corporation tax for oil companies (as our Labour minister of the early 70's had set up - similar to Norway) but no - screw the ordinary Joe to the floor. Restart emigration. Wreck peoples lives. The sheep will still vote us in.

While I'm at the stats - we "own" 25% of Europe's fishing waters but have 4% of the quotas. The whole thing is criminal and people need to wake up.

There's absoutely no doubt the fisherman were the one sector absolutely screwed by our EU membership.

But the nonsense in the oil part really let the documentary down. Norway's 50% tax rate sounds great, but they also give 50% refunds to exploration ventrues that are unsuccessful. Which is fine for them, because the vast majority are successful. Unlike Ireland, where the vast majority are unsuccessful. If we had the same regime as Norway, we'd be far more broke than we are!

It's still up in the air whether there will be any profits from Corrib. Billions spent by the exploring companies. It's utterly ridiculous that some people suggest they should not be able to offset their costs against their income, like every other business is allowed to.

There's one huge difference with exploration companies though - they can't move to another country to drill for this oil & gas in the same way that say Intel can go anywhere to build their microchips. That difference means they should bettreated differently from a tax point of view, if they don't want to drill then fine, whatever's there will still be there in 100 years time

[BennyCake]

I knew the EU had fcuked the fishing industry in ireland, but just not to that extent. Makes you wonder why Ireland would still want to remain in the Nazi Club. Is it any wonder the UK voted out. Time for the Irish people to demand their own referendum and get the feck out.

[magpie seanie]

I don't think so. We're happier up here. The southerners are eternally angry about everything.

Agreed.

You haven't it that f**king bad. Stop whinging.

If the quality of life in Ireland is so poor for you f**k off to Lesotho or Angola or Yemen. People love to bitch about their lot, my aunt does a bit of occasional volunteer work with poverty ridden South Africans. The stories and photos she could show you about life for those poor would give you a real kick up the arse.

You're more than well enough off and it's pathetic you can't seem to recognise it.

So if there are people worse off than you then you lose the right to argue for things to be better? That's pretty fucked up logic there.

[FL/MAYO]

It is amazing how similar ae times the Newfoundland accent was so similar to the Irish accent.

Proof that St Brendan discovered America way before the Spanish.

I thought some of them were Irish emmigrants that had been living for a long time in Canada for a while.

I saw a documentary that was made in the 70's about Newfoundland and their Irish connection, from what I recall there was a strong link with immigrants coming over form the Waterford region.

[Fuzzman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQc43b4OsRg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Newfoundlanders