9/11 What really happened to WT7?

[johnnycool]

You don't need a conspiracy theory or alleged shadowy forces to explain the pro-Israel bias of western foreign policy.

I'm pretty sure you do ... but happy for you to give us your explanation of the above topic to demonstrate your point.

Western-style democracy with close personal, cultural, political, economic and historical ties to the US and Europe sitting in the midst of the oil-rich, Muslim Middle East, some of which is allied with Iran, a hostile foe of the US. Sorry, not seeing the conspiracy or shadowy Rothschild forces at play. It's pretty much geopolitics being played out in the open.

Have you ever heard of the Balfour Declaration?

[dec]

You don't need a conspiracy theory or alleged shadowy forces to explain the pro-Israel bias of western foreign policy.

I'm pretty sure you do ... but happy for you to give us your explanation of the above topic to demonstrate your point.

Western-style democracy with close personal, cultural, political, economic and historical ties to the US and Europe sitting in the midst of the oil-rich, Muslim Middle East, some of which is allied with Iran, a hostile foe of the US. Sorry, not seeing the conspiracy or shadowy Rothschild forces at play. It's pretty much geopolitics being played out in the open.

Have you ever heard of the Balfour Declaration?

So what you're saying is that it is all the Brit's fault.

[J70]

You don't need a conspiracy theory or alleged shadowy forces to explain the pro-Israel bias of western foreign policy.

I'm pretty sure you do ... but happy for you to give us your explanation of the above topic to demonstrate your point.

Western-style democracy with close personal, cultural, political, economic and historical ties to the US and Europe sitting in the midst of the oil-rich, Muslim Middle East, some of which is allied with Iran, a hostile foe of the US. Sorry, not seeing the conspiracy or shadowy Rothschild forces at play. It's pretty much geopolitics being played out in the open.

Have you ever heard of the Balfour Declaration?

Sure.

[theskull1]

Deadly 

"The less you know the more you think you know"

[johnnycool]

You don't need a conspiracy theory or alleged shadowy forces to explain the pro-Israel bias of western foreign policy.

I'm pretty sure you do ... but happy for you to give us your explanation of the above topic to demonstrate your point.

Western-style democracy with close personal, cultural, political, economic and historical ties to the US and Europe sitting in the midst of the oil-rich, Muslim Middle East, some of which is allied with Iran, a hostile foe of the US. Sorry, not seeing the conspiracy or shadowy Rothschild forces at play. It's pretty much geopolitics being played out in the open.

Have you ever heard of the Balfour Declaration?

So what you're saying is that it is all the Brit's fault.

Who else but the Colonial Empires could take it upon themselves to gift someone elses land to an open Zionist in Lord Rothschild and here we are?

[J70]

Come on lads, spell it out for us idiots in the back. Preferably in crayon so we can understand.

[theskull1]

So for starters "not seeing shadowy Rothschild forces at play" when discussing Israel

Makes you look clueless

[J70]

So for starters "not seeing shadowy Rothschild forces at play" when discussing Israel

Makes you look clueless

Like I said, spell out how all of this works.

[theskull1]

Such a bad faith interlocutor

[J70]

Such a bad faith interlocutor

You just said I was clueless.

Clearly you have robust, well-supported knowledge and insight to share.

[theskull1]

I said you look clueless .... prove me wrong

[Milltown Row2]

I love this thread 

[Eamonnca1]

Jesus wept.

[J70]

I said you look clueless .... prove me wrong

Nah, I'm good.

I'm pretty comfortable with my stance that the basis for western support for Israel is far from mysterious and is basically down to western governments serving their own perceived geopolitical interests. If you want to make the case that it's all down to super-rich, elite Jewish families (or whomever) pulling strings in their own interests, knock yourself out.

Besides, and I'm just going on your posting here over the last while, you don't strike me as someone who is actually open to being "proved wrong" on anything. There's always something shady REALLY going on and the rest of us are all dim-witted morons. And if one element of the conspiracy theory doesn't stand up, there's always another place to move the goal posts to.

[Eamonnca1]

Quoth Wikipedia:

As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[30]: 18 (PDF p. 22)  and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[2]: 16, 18  The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between floors 24 and 41.[2]: 17  The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps instead of being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser, and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water.[31]: 11  Additionally, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[32]: 23–30 

After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[33] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building.[34] During the afternoon, the fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[30]: 24 (PDF p. 28)  In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[3] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[35] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[36] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief of Operations Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[37]

The fire expanded the girders of the building, causing some to collapse. This led to the northeast corner core column (Column 79), which was especially large, to buckle below the 13th floor. This caused the floors above it to collapse to the transfer floor at the fifth level. The structure also developed cracks in the facade just before the entire building started to fall.[2]: 21 [38] According to FEMA, this collapse started at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling.[1]: 23 [39] Differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed:[39] at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA,[1]: 23  and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[2]: 19, 21, 50–51 

There were no casualties associated with the collapse.[38] NIST found no evidence to support conspiracy theories such as the collapse being the result of explosives; it found that a combination of factors including physical damage, fire, and the building's unusual construction set off a chain-reaction collapse.[40][41]

Wikipedia lol, what a joke. The defence will have you and whoever wrote that bs as their main witnesses lol.  What about watching the hours and hours of irrefutable evidence indicating that the official fairy tale is just that, a fairy tale. The irrefutable evidence brought to you by Richard Gage and his team of experts along with eye witness accounts.  It will only take a few pieces of evidence to get you questioning the big lie unless there is a vacuum between the ears. The common denominator of non critical thinkers is a fear of the truth, therefore I understand that you have no intentions of watching.

Here are the sources cited in that excerpt:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070809030232/http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf

http://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610

http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire05/PDF/f05125.pdf

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110313.PDF

https://www.amazon.com/WTC-9-11-01-Day-Of-Disaster/dp/B004S8MGFM

https://web.archive.org/web/20070703101259/http://wtc.nist.gov/media/ScheuermanStatementDec2006.pdf

https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/documents/el/disasterstudies/ncst/ScheuermanStatementDec2006.pdf

http://www.firehouse.com/stateprovince/new-york/deputy-chief-peter-hayden

http://www.firehouse.com/stateprovince/new-york/captain-chris-boyle

https://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Nigro_Daniel.txt

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/nyregion/22wtccnd.html

https://archive.org/details/cbs200109111651-1733

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/nyregion/22wtccnd.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

https://www.bbc.com/news/58469600

But I suppose they're all in on it, aren't they?

Now I know where you are getting your very large dose of propaganda, CBS, BBC, NY Times, Amazon and the like. NIST and Popular Mechanics are well and truly debunked with a long time. Do you know anything about construction? By the way, your firefighter links don't work any longer. Plenty of firefighter eye witness evidence in the film,  go watch it.  Met several NY firefighters who were there that day, none believe the big lie.

Me: Here's the explanation.

You: You don't cite the sources.

Me: Cites the sources.

You: I reject all of those sources because everyone except for my plucky band of conspiracy theorists is in on it.

This is a waste of time.