A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

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AustinPowers

Quote from: Snapchap on December 06, 2024, 10:39:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2024, 07:04:27 PMI said he might have a point regarding the Provo 'campaign" in the 26....murders, bank robberies, kidnappings,extortion....
Now go away and gave a good sh1te for yourself.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2024, 07:04:27 PMI said he might have a point regarding the Provo 'campaign" in the 26....murders, bank robberies, kidnappings,extortion....
Now go away and gave a good sh1te for yourself.

As opposed to the Old IRA who never carried out murders or robberies etc etc.

Anyway, as I'm sure you well know, Micheal wasn't talking about the IRA activities in the 26. He was talking about the troubles in their entirety. Nor were his remarks down to the "cut and thrust of debate with Mary Lou" as you previously surmised, but in a one-to-one sit-down interview. He simply took exception to the interviewer noting that there were atrocities committed by both sides, and had the brass f**king neck to do so just seconds after accusing SF of trying to rewrite the history of the troubles. There is no excusing his absolutely shameful remarks no matter how hard you might try to obfuscate and misrepresent them.

I don't think I have  the appropriate enough words to justify  what I think  of MM

Don't forget his  comments  when  pushed by Mark  Carruthers on his attendance at an  old IRA commemoration. Apparently they're totally different to  the Troubles era  IRA commemorations  SF attend. 

Arsehole.

Look-Up!

Quote from: Snapchap on December 06, 2024, 10:39:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2024, 07:04:27 PMI said he might have a point regarding the Provo 'campaign" in the 26....murders, bank robberies, kidnappings,extortion....
Now go away and gave a good sh1te for yourself.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2024, 07:04:27 PMI said he might have a point regarding the Provo 'campaign" in the 26....murders, bank robberies, kidnappings,extortion....
Now go away and gave a good sh1te for yourself.

As opposed to the Old IRA who never carried out murders or robberies etc etc.

Anyway, as I'm sure you well know, Micheal wasn't talking about the IRA activities in the 26. He was talking about the troubles in their entirety. Nor were his remarks down to the "cut and thrust of debate with Mary Lou" as you previously surmised, but in a one-to-one sit-down interview. He simply took exception to the interviewer noting that there were atrocities committed by both sides, and had the brass f**king neck to do so just seconds after accusing SF of trying to rewrite the history of the troubles. There is no excusing his absolutely shameful remarks no matter how hard you might try to obfuscate and misrepresent them.
Couldn't agree more with this comment.

Rossfan

Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 06, 2024, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 06, 2024, 08:25:19 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 06, 2024, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 06, 2024, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2024, 07:04:27 PMI said he might have a point regarding the Provo 'campaign" in the 26....murders, bank robberies, kidnappings,extortion....
Now go away and gave a good sh1te for yourself.

Shooting gardaí doesn't go down well with the average person. Maybe there's a mistaken assumption that the gardaí are viewed similarly to the RUC were.

That's a fair point. As does the shooting of civilians by the state. And trying to imply that there was only one side in the troubles should be enough to end a politicians career in the south but it doesn't seem to be the case. 

Yes, a ridiculous statement, I can't think of any reason or justification for it.
What I will say is that I hadn't heard of those comments at all until I saw them on this thread.
They had very little coverage in national media, and I would say minimal impact on anyone's voting intentions

Which is a point in itself that it wasn't considered newsworthy.
Being said on the 6Cos BBC meant few people "down here" would have seen it.
First I heard too was on here too.
I'm not aware of any SF TD or candidate making any fuss either.

Again the North isn't an issue in elections here.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Duine Inteacht Eile


Tubberman

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 07, 2024, 11:47:24 AMIt's brought up a lot by FG & FF.

What is, the North? I don't remember a word about it during leaders debates
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

Armagh18

Quote from: Tubberman on December 07, 2024, 11:54:15 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 07, 2024, 11:47:24 AMIt's brought up a lot by FG & FF.

What is, the North? I don't remember a word about it during leaders debates
They tried to blame Mary Lou for the state of the nhs in the north so it was mentioned

Tubberman

Quote from: Armagh18 on December 07, 2024, 12:01:19 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 07, 2024, 11:54:15 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 07, 2024, 11:47:24 AMIt's brought up a lot by FG & FF.

What is, the North? I don't remember a word about it during leaders debates
They tried to blame Mary Lou for the state of the nhs in the north so it was mentioned

OK, in reference to SF hypocrisy, fair enough.
But i don't think the North itself was an "issue" in the election.
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

trueblue1234

Quote from: Rossfan on December 07, 2024, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 06, 2024, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 06, 2024, 08:25:19 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 06, 2024, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 06, 2024, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2024, 07:04:27 PMI said he might have a point regarding the Provo 'campaign" in the 26....murders, bank robberies, kidnappings,extortion....
Now go away and gave a good sh1te for yourself.

Shooting gardaí doesn't go down well with the average person. Maybe there's a mistaken assumption that the gardaí are viewed similarly to the RUC were.

That's a fair point. As does the shooting of civilians by the state. And trying to imply that there was only one side in the troubles should be enough to end a politicians career in the south but it doesn't seem to be the case. 

Yes, a ridiculous statement, I can't think of any reason or justification for it.
What I will say is that I hadn't heard of those comments at all until I saw them on this thread.
They had very little coverage in national media, and I would say minimal impact on anyone's voting intentions

Which is a point in itself that it wasn't considered newsworthy.
Being said on the 6Cos BBC meant few people "down here" would have seen it.
First I heard too was on here too.
I'm not aware of any SF TD or candidate making any fuss either.

Again the North isn't an issue in elections here.
Whether an issue in the election or not. He should have been held to account for his comments. The fact he wasn't says a lot about the media in my view.
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

Rossfan

Well the Independent would agree with him while the Examiner and Times most likely ignore BBCNI.

Have those who are seriously annoyed or upset done anything?
Like write in numbers to FF HQ, protest there or at MM's Constituency office?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Truthsayer

#4374
Quote from: Rossfan on December 07, 2024, 06:59:00 PMWell the Independent would agree with him while the Examiner and Times most likely ignore BBCNI.

Have those who are seriously annoyed or upset done anything?
Like write in numbers to FF HQ, protest there or at MM's Constituency office?
You'd be very busy writing to FF & FG & RTÉ every time that narrative is used. It's been called out... maybe you need to stop tacitly justifying it.. and now trying to put the focus on those who have been deeply offended and/or annoyed (as you describe it).