GAA Championship 2023 Master Fixture List and Rules - Sam Maguire

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GAABoardMod5

Probably worth a stand alone thread for all issues:

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-master-fixtures-for-2023-published/

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All-Ireland Senior Football Round 1 (Group Stage)

Counties Participating
• The following 16 Counties shall be eligible to participate in the All-Ireland Championship Round 1 (Group Stage).

(a) The 4 Provincial Champions (1st seeds)
(b) The 4 Provincial Runners-Up (2nd seeds)
(c) The next 4 highest-ranked teams at the conclusion of the National League (3rd seeds)
(d) The next 4 highest-ranked teams at the conclusion of the National League (4th seeds)

Exception to (d): The previous year's Tailteann Cup Winners if not already qualified as one of the teams in (a) to (d) above, shall be eligible instead of the team in (d) with the lowest National League ranking at the conclusion of that year's National League.
• Note: The ranking of teams in the National League referred to above shall be on the basis of the outcomes of the National League, including those of Promotion and Relegation, of the Competition Year. For the avoidance of doubt, a league final winner will be considered a higher seed than the team they defeated in the final.

Group Composition and order of games

• The All-Ireland Group Stage shall be on a League basis of four Groups of four teams (Groups A, B, C and D), with each team in a Group playing the other teams in their Group once. Teams will be awarded two points for a win and one point for a draw.
• The composition of each group shall be decided by means of a draw.
• Each Group shall consist of one team from each of the seeded classifications in (a) to (d) above. Teams who have already met in that year's provincial final cannot be drawn to the same group.
• Each team shall play one Home game, one Away game in Round 1 & 2 and one game at a neutral venue in Round 3.
• The order of games;
Round 1:  Seed 1 v Seed 3, Seed 2 v Seed 4
Round 2:  Seed 3 v Seed 2, Seed 4 v Seed1
Round 3, Neutral venues:  Seed 1 v Seed 2, Seed 3 v Seed 4

• Home Venues shall be subject to approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee.

Tie-Breakers – Group Stage
In the event of teams finishing on equal points in the Groups, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified below;
(vi) Where two teams only are involved – the outcome of the meeting of the two teams in the group
(vii) Score difference – subtracting the total Scores against from the total Scores for;
(viii) Highest Total Score For;
(ix) Highest Total Goals For;
(x) A Play-Off.
In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walk over, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified below:
(iv) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other. (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For)
(v) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved, have played each other, and have finished equal in (i)
(vi) A Play-Off

Schedule of Games

Round 1 (Home & Away)
20-21.05.2023 (Sat/Sun) or 27-28.05.2023 (Sat/Sun)
Seed 1 v Seed 3
Seed 2 v Seed 4

Round 2 (Home & Away
03-04.06.2023 (Sat/Sun)
Seed 3 v Seed 2
Seed 4 v Seed1

Round 3 (Neutral)
17-18.06.2023 (Sat/Sun)
Seed 1 v Seed 2
Seed 3 v Seed 4

Preliminary Quarter-Finals

24-25.06.2023 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
The four second-placed teams from Round 1 shall be drawn to play at home against the four third-placed teams, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1.

Home Venues shall be subject to approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee.

Quarter-Finals

01-02.07.2023 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
The four first-place teams from Round 1 shall be drawn to play against the four Preliminary Quarter-Finals winners, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1.

Semi-Finals

15-16.07.2023 (Sat/Sun)
(Two Games)
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.

Final

30.07.2023 (Sun) | (Replay: 12.08.2023 (Sat))
(One Game)
The winners of the All-Ireland Semi-Finals shall meet in the All-Ireland Final.

Note: All-Ireland Final will have Extra time in the original fixture and will be winner on the day in the event of a replay only.

Venues

Venues for the All-Ireland Quarter-Finals, Semi-Finals and Final shall be determined by the Central Competitions Control Committee.

Winner on the Day


The All-Ireland Football Preliminary Quarter-Finals, Quarter-Finals & Semi-Finals will be winner on the day.

UpMeeyo

Round 1 of group stages seems to be over 2 weekends - presumably to give provincial finalists a break. Is it Munster and connacht the first weekend or is that yet to be decided? (ie Munster winner vs seed 3, connacht winner vs seed 3//Munster runner up vs seed 4, connacht runner up vs seed 4)

Rossfan

Munster and Connacht Finalist groups play first as their Provincial Finals are a week earlier.
Losers of Ros/Mayowestros game will have a 6 ir 7 week wait :-\
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM


inroundthesquare

Looks like being a Seed 2 is best avoided.
For example if purely looking at the seeding implications, Tyrone / Derry / Monaghan would be better being beat in an Ulster Quarter or Semi, than being a runner-up. If they were a runner-up (Seed 2) it would put them in a group with Dublin and one of the stronger Connacht / Ulster teams, plus they would avoid the 'weaker' teams such as Sligo, Leinster runner-up and Clare/Limerick.

Winning Ulster, compared to 3rd seed, is still an advantage as you would have the Leinster runner-up in your group.



inroundthesquare

Making some assumptions here but the seeds for the last 16 are looking something like the below... seed 4 is complicated..


Seed 1
Galway / Roscommon
Kerry
Dublin
Ulster Winner

Seed 2
Sligo
Clare / Limerick
Louth / Westmeath / Meath
Ulster Runner-Up

Seed 3
Mayo
Roscommon / Galway
Tyrone / Monaghan
Monaghan / Derry

Seed 4
Armagh / Donegal (or both if Cavan / Down reach Ulster final)
Louth (if don't reach Leinster final)
Cork (as long as Meath don't reach Leinster final and Cavan / Down don't reach Ulster Final)
Westmeath (if don't reach Leinster final)
Kildare (as long as Meath don't reach Leinster final or Cavan / Down don't reach Ulster Final)



armaghniac

Are the third and fourth seeds drawn for groups at some stage?
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

inroundthesquare

Think I seen that the draw is on 2nd May (after the Provincial semi finals are over)

twohands!!!

This was posted last week on Gaa.ie

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/2023-sam-maguire-cup-and-tailteann-cup-structures-explained/

There's no mention of any provincial matchups - what it does say is

QuoteEach group will consist of one team from each of the seeded classifications with each group decided by a draw.

It had the following in relation to New York reaching the Connacht final.

QuoteProvision of New York reaching the Connacht final

If New York reach the Connacht Final they proceed to the group stages of Sam Maguire. The Tailteann Cup would become 17 teams, with three groups of four teams and one group of five teams. CCCC would confirm the ordering and scheduling of games in the group of five teams, with each team having two home & two away games.

The 3rd place team in each of the four groups would go to the Preliminary Quarter Finals, and play the four 2nd placed teams and the dates of the Preliminary Quarter Finals, Quarter Finals and Semi-Finals would all be put back one week with no change to the final date.

David McKeown

Am I correct in thinking the following that because of results to date 9 counties have qualified for the All Ireland.

Mayo
Galway
Kerry
Roscommon
Tyrone
Monaghan
Derry
Dublin
Westmeath

With the remaining teams coming from either the provincial finalists or a mixture of the provincial finalists and the next 5 teams in this order Armagh, Donegal, Louth, Cork, Kildare

If so it really isnt a level playing field with the draws for the provincial championships having a far bigger impact on who qualifies than the outcomes of the league.

All a bit of a nonsense really 
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armaghniac

Quote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2023, 09:44:34 PM
Am I correct in thinking the following that because of results to date 9 counties have qualified for the All Ireland.

Mayo
Galway
Kerry
Roscommon
Tyrone
Monaghan
Derry
Dublin
Westmeath

With the remaining teams coming from either the provincial finalists or a mixture of the provincial finalists and the next 5 teams in this order Armagh, Donegal, Louth, Cork, Kildare

If so it really isnt a level playing field with the draws for the provincial championships having a far bigger impact on who qualifies than the outcomes of the league.

All a bit of a nonsense really

One of Roscommon/Galway or Tyrone/Monaghan/Derry are guaranteed to be in a provincial final, so I think Armagh and Donegal are pretty much guaranteed as a consequence. As Kerry and Dublin are almost certain to be in final then probably Louth and Cork should be in. Cork are in the position now of not being sure which cup they are in, and likely that might influence their preparation.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

David McKeown

Quote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2023, 09:44:34 PM
Am I correct in thinking the following that because of results to date 10 counties have qualified for the All Ireland. Sorry edited to take account of tonight's results.

Mayo
Galway
Kerry
Roscommon
Tyrone
Monaghan
Derry
Dublin
Westmeath
Armagh

With the remaining teams coming from either the provincial finalists or a mixture of the provincial finalists and the next 4 teams in this order Donegal, Louth, Cork, Kildare

If so it really isnt a level playing field with the draws for the provincial championships having a far bigger impact on who qualifies than the outcomes of the league.

All a bit of a nonsense really
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David McKeown

Quote from: armaghniac on April 15, 2023, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 15, 2023, 09:44:34 PM
Am I correct in thinking the following that because of results to date 9 counties have qualified for the All Ireland.

Mayo
Galway
Kerry
Roscommon
Tyrone
Monaghan
Derry
Dublin
Westmeath

With the remaining teams coming from either the provincial finalists or a mixture of the provincial finalists and the next 5 teams in this order Armagh, Donegal, Louth, Cork, Kildare

If so it really isnt a level playing field with the draws for the provincial championships having a far bigger impact on who qualifies than the outcomes of the league.

All a bit of a nonsense really

One of Roscommon/Galway or Tyrone/Monaghan/Derry are guaranteed to be in a provincial final, so I think Armagh and Donegal are pretty much guaranteed as a consequence. As Kerry and Dublin are almost certain to be in final then probably Louth and Cork should be in. Cork are in the position now of not being sure which cup they are in, and likely that might influence their preparation.

Yeah I had accounted for the Connacht results but not the Derry v Fermanagh game
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Rossfan

3rd seeds will be Mayowestros, loser of Ros/Galway and 2 of Derry/Monaghan/Tyrone.
Likely 2nd seeds
Sligo/NY
Clare/Limerick
Plus  Leinster and Ulster Final losers
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM