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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: July 25, 2018, 07:38:36 PM »
Expect nothing else.  Barker and Co dont have a notion.

Clubs wanted their county players for all matches so what do you expect. This is the only solution and as far as I’m concerned Barker and co have been excellent. If clubs were prepared to play starred games without county players as in other counties this wouldn’t be an issue. You can’t have it both ways.

That is correct but there are problems with mid-week games : 1 -- It is very difficult for the away team to get their players available for long distance game e.g. Desertmartin v Slaughtmanus or Steelstown v Lissan and 2 -- Impossible, as has been already said, to full-fill a Reserve game in mid week when the teams are located a long way apart. 

But this is a trial year and hopefully the system can be "tweeked" to address these issues

Croke Park would need to come to "grips" with the real problems of addressing Player Welfare and spend less time placating the Kildares and Dublins of the "nearly professional" Gaelic Football's elite

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: June 13, 2018, 05:42:30 PM »
Good post Estimator. Would be good to see equivalent stats for other provinces to give context.

Would be interesting to see if other counties with relatively strong club, underage and school success have as much difficulty in translating that onto the senior county level.

Slightly off topic, we are where we deserve to be this year in terms of senior football team.
Tactically inept management in place as a result of an inept county board.
Not all the best players are involved, eg Danny Heavron.
Slaughtneil success hampered us, but realistically it shows the lack of strength in depth of the squad as probably only 3-4 starting players are from  slaughtneil.
Apathy from supporters has to be expected given the quality being offered up in terms of tactics and performance (we are not the only county like this though).

In other words, we have very little going for us apart from recent minor success and current u20s. It remains to be seen if mcerlain can translate that to the senior stage. It might be too much for anyone to do, but more difficult for an inexperienced....and dare I say it, inexpensive manager.

Time will tell, but currently it's sh1t being a Derry fan.

I think McErleans handling of things this season has hampered us for the next couple of seasons. Danny Heavron done his cruciate playing a club game he wouldn't have been playing had he been playing county football, so he won't be there next season. I have also heard Keenan and McFaul have both said they won't play again as long as McErlean is in charge after he dropped them the panel with 2/3 league games to go. Apparently Mark Lynch had said this was his last year playing county football so at early stages the panel could struggle to get stronger for the start of next season. Hope Keenan/McFaul was just a knee jerk comment and after a long winter are happy enough to be back on board again and Lynch decides to go again as he adds experience.

if Slaughtneil don't win the Ulster club Derry should walk Divison 4 and a winnable first round championship draw might help create more of a buzz among the panel.

Great post by estimator ....
D Heavron didn't do his cruciate until 11th March in a Club challenge game.  If he had been on the County Panel he would have been available for 4 games ...... maybe the injury would have happened anyway ... who knows.  In terms of 2017 Danny was our best and most consistent performer .... One of the most important functions of a manager is to get the best players on the pitch

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: June 12, 2018, 10:24:23 AM »
Anyone care to explain why Damian Heavron has been excluded from the panel, very poor from of Mc Erlaine on this one. What has Heavron done previously with Barton last year to warrant such treatment. I am surprised there hasn't been more made of this considering the guy is one of our best players, especially as we have a seriously young panel who need all the help they can get.

On the surface it's a bizarre omission but the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. We'll have to see how Derry progress through the season and I'd say Damien has a gameplan in mind for the players he's picked. As a Rossa man I've mixed feelings but it should make us stronger having Danny and Emmett available all year and having a point to prove.
He would need to have a better gameplan than he had for the minor final. Heavron will be a huge loss in my opinion, great football brain and vision.  Both Emmett and Ryan would be very useful options in Division 3 football in January/February and would add a physical presence. Return of some more experienced players balances things a wee bit but getting up from Division 3 is by no means an easy task with the panel available.
What a county we live in. Derry had a terrible record at minor until Damian came in.He has won 2 Ulster titles and got to an All Ireland minor final,something which looked so out of reach until his appointment and yet you can only see the negative. Granted we got hammered,but don't slate the man before the season starts.
Read the post. I did not slate the man, I questioned the game plan for the minor final - the main reason the game was over as a contest so early.  How do you think we will do in Division 3 with the players available?

Your analysis of the Minor final was correct.  We are going to go into Div 3 with some very inexperienced players.  Westmeath had a good league performance in Div 4 last year and Armagh were unfortunate not to get promoted in 2017.  I don't think we will beat Armagh, Fermanagh or Sligo and Longford have always been a 'bogey' team .... so no promotion for us in 2018.   That said the challenge for us is to build an effective game plan with a competent 'kick-out' strategy.  We will also need to work hard for each other all of the time.  Game-day management is very important and that will include a  'counter-attacking'  plan that gets scores and that best utilises the quality, pace and skill that we have available to us.  We have a lot of players of similar standard and it is vital we create a good team spirit in order to develop a strong 'desire to win' mentality.  Its unlikely that we will make an impact in the Ulster Championship but a good run in the Qualifiers will help us to continue to build a strong foundation for 2019.

That was my analysis of the Derry situation before the League began !!!!!

The manager is not up to this job

The question remains is the County Board up to grasping the nettle ?

GAA Discussion / Re: Derry V Kildare - Owenbeg, Sat 9th June 3pm
« on: June 07, 2018, 05:53:05 PM »
The problem Derry have at the moment is they don't have a 'tricky pacey' corner forward who can take scoring chances.  Emmett Bradley playing in the half - forward line scored well from play and frees against Donegal but I don't see any other scoring threat and Mark Lynch is playing very deep.  Kildare's despite being relegated from Div 1 have the edge over us in all-round quality and can win this game.

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 31, 2018, 09:19:07 PM »
So quality footballers can't play full back !!!!

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 31, 2018, 09:05:02 PM »
I saw G O'Neill playing at mid-field for Banagher a fortnight ago ..... I'm not just thinkin' about the Kildare game I'm thinkin' about players that could be on the panel in 2019 .... how many of the Tyrone players play for their clubs in the same role that Mickey Harte has them playin' ....

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 30, 2018, 08:22:28 PM »
And R P who would you play full back v Kildare

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 30, 2018, 07:05:21 PM »
In his minor years was a very good back who reads the game well and is comfortable on the ball .... but marking a big man might not work so well.  McErlain has to think outside the box here and consider one of our better 'traditional type' full backs ..... the problem is I can't think of one ... maybe Conor Nevin or convert Gavin O'Neill (Banagher)... not so sure ... !!!! .... has anybody got any ideas

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 29, 2018, 07:52:06 PM »
Apparently he will not be back in the country this year.  Another decent forward we could be doing with !!!

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 29, 2018, 09:13:18 AM »
Have been told we're looking to have it in Owenbeg.
Donegal had a settled team playing against div 1 opposition. Compare that to our boys, div 3 with a very unsettled team, night and day.
Watched the game recorded, on top of Bradley, Lynn, Sean Leo (injury to force him off at half time?) and the names already mentioned, McNeill I thought had a superb game at corner back.

Agree.  I also thought Mark Lynch's 'work rate' was absolutely phenomenal on a very hot day.  Derry had 8 players on who didn't players on in the League.  Donegal had about 6/7 better quality players than us and always looked like winning the game but at least we were competitive and determined.  I thought our movement was better but it seemed like Shane McGuigan always ended up on the left side of attack when the right side would have given him easier shot options.  The reality is this was most of these fellas first game together.  We need to find 'a part of our game plan' that facilitates James Kielt whose scoring efficiency is very good.  I didn't have any expectations of us beating Donegal and despite what some posters said we were organised and Donegal still have a strong defensive structure which is difficult to penetrate.  Kildare is a hard draw not least of all because they will 'stinging' from that Carlow defeat and we could be in for a 'back lash'. 

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 24, 2018, 02:51:28 PM »
The majority of central seats will be taken up by Donegal supporters who have season tickets.  They fact that it is not televised live and the good weather should boost the overall attendance.

I'm hoping for a competitive organised team performance,  miss some of the big guns in the qualifiers draw on Mon morning, then get a win and build some kind of momentum ...

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 24, 2018, 12:15:01 AM »
The team I think he will pick is:

1. Ben McKinless
2. C McCluskey
3. B Rogers
4. K McKaigue
5. K Johnston
6. C McKaigue
7. C McWilliams 
8. C McAtamney
9  E Bradley
10 S McGuigan
11. Sean Leo
12. P Cassidy
13. J Kielt
14. M Lynch
15. E Lynn

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: May 18, 2018, 11:57:16 PM »
Rewriting history there lads. Sean Cavanagh played for Tyrone u21s in 2002 when they were beaten in the all Ireland by Dublin. Plus he was a corner forward under McKenna and McCrory in 2002 so who converted him to a midfielder and then full forward? Or did Sean just take it upon himself to take those jerseys? As I say you boys love rewriting history to suit your agendas.

Hardly took a genius to move him out to midfield. Sean carried Tyrone over the line in 2008 All Ireland final and Harte then totally scapegoated him in his book after 2009 defeat. No gratitude or humility from Harte

Having had plenty opportunities to watch over this last 15 years the one thing about Sean Cavanagh is when Brian Dooher was on the team life was a lot easier.  Dooher did all the hard work and generally was instrumental in creating space and setting up good chances for Sean on a plate.  Sean relished that and delivered the big scores.  Without Dooher on the team Sean and Tyrone were less effective and just didn't perform on the big occasions.   

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 17, 2018, 10:21:11 AM »
As a result of county football the county board have been forced to reduce the senior league and introduce subsidiary compos to give players games in the 8/9 week period of no league football. I am interested to hear what posters thoughts onare Lavey pulling out on block of the competitions that have been put in place for teams over the next 8/9 weeks.  I would like to know why they have done this, as without knowing their rationale its looks so disrespectful to clubs and the competitions the county board have provided.
Good question.  It does not fit with the "players want more games" theory.
I think you missed out one of two words there 'meaningful/meaningless'.  The former reduced by 4 from next season.  Barker can try to fool people all he likes, lets call it what it is, a 9 week break to suit the county team and to cram half a season into 4 weeks prior.

Sure were we not reared on the view that championship fixtures were the only meaningful games? And for half the league teams, that's 1 match per year! Stephen Barker is trying to work around the constraints of the club / county overlap. I wouldn't envy his job.
On paper, clubs have their county men when needed, and they'll also have matches arranged during the break. I've said before, the reserves mid-season cup should be scrapped for next year and run with 1 team / club.
What we've had this year (won't happen every year) is meaningful league matches in April / May, the leagues of Kilrea and 'Screen playing for their div 1 survival, indeed there's been management changes in Div 1 and Div 2 already due to the heat of relegation.   
The sooner there's shortened defined county season , finishing end of July, then club fixtures from then on 'til the October championship final the better.

What would your solution be Josey?

Agree with that, Stephen Barker is a very hard working volunteer trying to give all club players a chance within a limited time frame.  He is also committed to the success of the full range of County Football and Hurling teams.  I'd say we have little idea of how much that takes up of his time.  As for Lavey I would doubt if they haven't thought out why they have made that decision , they are a very shrewd outfit who will work with what,s best for them. 

It's all is very much a 'trial run' for the years ahead.

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 14, 2018, 01:06:10 PM »
Superb win for the minors yesterday and very tough luck on the hurlers.

Donegal at CP today fortnight. Bonner has put together a formidable front 6. Serious pace. Their HF line was excellent today and Michael Murphy was absolutely superb. He covered some ground, had a tonne of possession and continuously played the ball forward at speed with purpose
We'll have to, ah, we know what we have to do, will we be able is the million pound question??

Good to know that our minors are at a decent competitive standard

Is there a rule that Div3 and Div4  National Football League Counties can play their U20 players in that same years' Senior Championship ?

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