Sam Maguire Group 3 - Dublin, Sligo, Roscommon, Kildare

[manfromdelmonte]

What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?

Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes?  Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?

Not if they had the wrong process. Using the funding to identify players is not the same as managing the team to perform at a consistent level over time. If the performance level falls they have to start a new team  It took them 7 years to build the team that won the first all Ireland. It's quite a long run in.
The challenge is to minimise the downtime between all Irelands.

The funding's not used to identify players seaf. The county development panels receive zero of development games funding. Easy mistake for you to make though, no matter how many times you're told.

It's used to weaponise Dublin's population advantage and widen the footprint of Gaelic Football in the county. Finding footballers is a secondary feature.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0616/1055359-dublin-funding
2019
"Last year Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork.
However, Costello rejects the suggestion Dublin no longer need financial support from Croke Park.
"We have huge challenges in Dublin. We have developing areas that we have no presence in: there are areas like Cherrywood, Hollystown and Adamstown."
The Dublin county board has ambitions to develop up to four centres of excellence around the county,.

more clubs would be a start. too many super clubs in Dublin

[seafoid]

What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?

Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes?  Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?

Not if they had the wrong process. Using the funding to identify players is not the same as managing the team to perform at a consistent level over time. If the performance level falls they have to start a new team  It took them 7 years to build the team that won the first all Ireland. It's quite a long run in.
The challenge is to minimise the downtime between all Irelands.

The funding's not used to identify players seaf. The county development panels receive zero of development games funding. Easy mistake for you to make though, no matter how many times you're told.

It's used to weaponise Dublin's population advantage and widen the footprint of Gaelic Football in the county. Finding footballers is a secondary feature.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0616/1055359-dublin-funding
2019
"Last year Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork.
However, Costello rejects the suggestion Dublin no longer need financial support from Croke Park.
"We have huge challenges in Dublin. We have developing areas that we have no presence in: there are areas like Cherrywood, Hollystown and Adamstown."
The Dublin county board has ambitions to develop up to four centres of excellence around the county,.

more clubs would be a start. too many super clubs in Dublin

Land may be an issue

[manfromdelmonte]

What's clear from Dublin is that there was no plan for afterwards. It's going to take a long time to reach cruising altitude again. This is the third lost season. If they had focused on rebuilding after the 4 in a row would they be contenders now ?

Surely if funding was the reason for the 4...sorry... 6 in a row, there'd be no problem getting back to those altitudes?  Unless the issue was we just had really excellent players for a decade, and the new lads aren't close to as good?

Not if they had the wrong process. Using the funding to identify players is not the same as managing the team to perform at a consistent level over time. If the performance level falls they have to start a new team  It took them 7 years to build the team that won the first all Ireland. It's quite a long run in.
The challenge is to minimise the downtime between all Irelands.

The funding's not used to identify players seaf. The county development panels receive zero of development games funding. Easy mistake for you to make though, no matter how many times you're told.

It's used to weaponise Dublin's population advantage and widen the footprint of Gaelic Football in the county. Finding footballers is a secondary feature.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0616/1055359-dublin-funding
2019
"Last year Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork.
However, Costello rejects the suggestion Dublin no longer need financial support from Croke Park.
"We have huge challenges in Dublin. We have developing areas that we have no presence in: there are areas like Cherrywood, Hollystown and Adamstown."
The Dublin county board has ambitions to develop up to four centres of excellence around the county,.

more clubs would be a start. too many super clubs in Dublin

Land may be an issue

every county in Ireland has been pumping money into Dublin gaa for 20+ years via bums on seats in Croker. surely they could afford to buy some

[Rossfan]

Ros team and subs announced last night.
Basically Conor Daly starts, Donie Smith doesnt, a few jersey no. changes and Paul Carey into the 26 instead of Robbie Dolan.

[Blowitupref]

Ros team and subs announced last night.
Basically Conor Daly starts, Donie Smith doesnt, a few jersey no. changes and Paul Carey into the 26 instead of Robbie Dolan.

Sligo team

Aidan Devaney
Evan Lyons
Eddie McGuinness
Nathan Mullen
Paul McNamara
Brian Cox
Luke Towey
Cian Lally
Paul Kilcoyne
Finnian Cawley
Sean Carrabine
Keelan Cawley
Pat Spillane
Patrick O Connor
Niall Murphy

Subs: Daniel Lyons, Alan Reilly, David Quinn, Eoghan Smith, Gerard O'Kelly Lynch, Jack Lavin, Joe Keaney, Kenny Gavigan, Luke Nicholson, Mark Walsh, Mikey Gordon

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/03/toothless-dublin-look-like-a-team-waiting-on-a-slow-death/

That neither Roscommon nor Kildare actually beat them is hardly the point. In the previous five seasons, Dublin had played five games against that duo and the average margin of victory was 15 points. But now, at home, in perfect conditions, they've looked wan and toothless. Nothing like potential All-Ireland winners.

While they haven't changed their playing style in any significant way, the rest of the country has studied them, worked out a plan and used it to catch up. Speaking to Pat Gilroy a couple of weeks ago, he identified the fact that so many more teams are physically capable of keeping pace with Dublin now in a way that just wasn't the case when he was manager between 2008 and 2012.
"What that changes is it means that teams attack and defend as much more of a unit now," Gilroy said. "In the early days of the massed defence, you might find yourself facing a team who had 15 men inside their own 45, fair enough. But when they turned it over, you would probably only have five fellahs coming at you. Now, when you turn it over, you have the whole 15 coming at you, goalkeepers included. Teams need to be incredibly fit to do that.
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"Because of that, the game slows down for periods now in a way it didn't used to. Regardless of how fit you are, you can't keep running up and down the pitch at full pelt all day. So the game has to slow down to allow you pick your way through it.
"There isn't as much hard running, or at least not as much sustained hard running. You have to be a lot more accurate, a lot more physical, a lot more patient and a lot more thoughtful. The end-to-end stuff happens very little because it tends to be a slower transition."

What's been Dublin's big idea? Beyond bringing back Cluxton, Paul Mannion and Jack McCaffrey, it's hard to see an obvious one. But though the three of them have performed – McCaffrey's second half against Kildare was a particular spark when badly needed – they are generally the same Dublin as they've been throughout Farrell's time.
The same, but older. Dean Rock's form has fallen off a cliff – he's scored one point from seven shots in the past three games. Mick Fitzsimons made his first start of the summer last Sunday and got caught for an early black card. Even Brian Fenton was unusually slapdash last week, spilling ball over the sideline and scuffing a late chance short.
. Maybe Dublin will make it through to the last four on muscle memory and maybe out of nowhere, the earth begins to move and they feel the needle hit the groove.
But from this vantage point, they look more like a team waiting on a slow death.

[seafoid]

Dubs doing well so far. Flourbags need a score

[seafoid]

Roscommon have entered a parallel fuball universe

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0604/1387400-sundays-all-ireland-sfc-round-robin-updates/
58 mins Roscommon 0-16 Roscommon 1-09

[Rossfan]

We did the job eventually as we wore down a gallant Sligo team.
Lethargic enough, no doubt a hangover from last week's efforts but we top the group for the next 2 weeks.
Both teams hit around 10 wides each in the 1st half.
Cian McKeon getting better with each game and Conor Carroll's kickouts likewise.

[Tubberman]

Ros are impressive. They're looking confident and hard to beat, could make a semi final which would be massive

[Captain Scarlet]

Will the Dubs rest lads v Sligo? Like even with 2 weeks off will they mind lads coming back from injuries or Con's hamstring...

[The Hill is Blue]

Will the Dubs rest lads v Sligo? Like even with 2 weeks off will they mind lads coming back from injuries or Con's hamstring...

I think they've been doing that all along

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/07/darragh-o-se-dublin-are-being-written-off-and-thats-what-they-will-like/

Davy Burke is certainly belting a great tune out of Roscommon at the moment, topping Group Three on scoring difference, everyone enjoying their football. Enda Smith is in great form, everyone is playing to their strengths, and there's total buy-in too.

[Skeletor]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/07/darragh-o-se-dublin-are-being-written-off-and-thats-what-they-will-like/

Davy Burke is certainly belting a great tune out of Roscommon at the moment, topping Group Three on scoring difference, everyone enjoying their football. Enda Smith is in great form, everyone is playing to their strengths, and there's total buy-in too.

How far do you think they will go?

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/07/darragh-o-se-dublin-are-being-written-off-and-thats-what-they-will-like/

Davy Burke is certainly belting a great tune out of Roscommon at the moment, topping Group Three on scoring difference, everyone enjoying their football. Enda Smith is in great form, everyone is playing to their strengths, and there's total buy-in too.

How far do you think they will go?

It was very important for Ros to have a good group stage because the super 8s were a disaster. Ros got hammered in 2018 and 2019 by Dublin . Here's a description of 2019.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/relentless-dublin-leave-roscommon-dazed-and-confused-1.3962929
"But if there was a moment that symbolised the state of the game, it was the Angus Lyons, making his Primrose debut, surrounded by seven blue shirts and relieved off the ball. Jonny Cooper helped him up off the ground as the blue shirts sprinted across the savannah. They led by 2-21 to 0-11 at the time and were growing stronger by the second"

I think a strong qf performance added to 3rd in D1 would represent a great haul for the year but that a favourable draw could end up in a semi final. This year anything is possible.