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#1
Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
February 06, 2025, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 06, 2025, 08:42:04 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 06, 2025, 08:36:50 AMDoes anyone know the  nights that underage football will be played on?

Ive been told Minors - Tuesday, u16s - Wednesdays. Not sure of the rest.

But then there's chance Ladies games might be changing to Thursday nights so that might change everything up

Afaik for football it's u18 Monday, u14 Wednesday, u16 Thursday.
#2
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 04, 2025, 09:37:26 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 04, 2025, 08:57:29 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 04, 2025, 08:49:21 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 04, 2025, 08:13:46 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 03, 2025, 08:58:19 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 03, 2025, 08:40:37 PMSorry, just to go back to the 6 Subs.

From RTÉ

"I feel for Dublin, they lost three players with hamstrings. I think that's definitely something that has to be looked at," McGuinness said.

"Peadar Mogan would be one of our fitter lads and he was really struggling at the end and we had the five subs on and we couldn't get him off.

So, isn't it up to them to manage their workload before calling for more new rules?
I'd say work loads would be managed fairly well, I'm sure there would be well qualified and well paid people keeping on top of how much lads are doing on the gps but I'm not privy to it obviously.

Football is being played at a much higher pace now, that style of play with teams passing laterally across around 40m out will be seen less, but expecting players to be fit to get up and down all day with no break just won't happen. The solo and go has sped the game up a lot but will lead to a lot more running to be done.

Is that not a good thing?

Managers will just have to adapt and "rest" players when needed.

It is of course, but no matter how fit and strong players get, they'll never be able to get up and down all dsy without little breaks of keeping the ball.

Maybe they could try kicking the ball more instead, like AFL players.
Yeah brilliant but then the defending team will have to attempt to get back and defend. And if the forward it is kicked to wins the ball and the defender gets him slowed, he's going to need support runners to help.

Serious strain being put on players.

You (and I'm not just picking out you, this is tens of thousands of football followers, and pretty much every coach in the land) might need a wee trip to the adjustment bureau.

1. The game is going to be higher scoring now. Setting your team up to keep the score down is going to be much more difficult. So instead of treating every score against as something worthy of an enquiry, just accept it is part of the game.

2. The 3-up rules means that there will always be an outball (at least of sorts). And that outball is going to occasionally be intercepted and returned. If you really think you can condition humans to back up lengthy kicks of a football on repeat for an hour, then you're dangerous.
#3
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 04, 2025, 08:49:21 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 04, 2025, 08:13:46 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 03, 2025, 08:58:19 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 03, 2025, 08:40:37 PMSorry, just to go back to the 6 Subs.

From RTÉ

"I feel for Dublin, they lost three players with hamstrings. I think that's definitely something that has to be looked at," McGuinness said.

"Peadar Mogan would be one of our fitter lads and he was really struggling at the end and we had the five subs on and we couldn't get him off.

So, isn't it up to them to manage their workload before calling for more new rules?
I'd say work loads would be managed fairly well, I'm sure there would be well qualified and well paid people keeping on top of how much lads are doing on the gps but I'm not privy to it obviously.

Football is being played at a much higher pace now, that style of play with teams passing laterally across around 40m out will be seen less, but expecting players to be fit to get up and down all day with no break just won't happen. The solo and go has sped the game up a lot but will lead to a lot more running to be done.

Is that not a good thing?

Managers will just have to adapt and "rest" players when needed.

It is of course, but no matter how fit and strong players get, they'll never be able to get up and down all dsy without little breaks of keeping the ball.

Maybe they could try kicking the ball more instead, like AFL players.
#4
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 04, 2025, 07:33:21 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 03, 2025, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2025, 10:09:14 PMThe market response looks to have backed him down on the tariffs. He didn't need tariffs to get the Mexican national guard on the border in 2019, neither did Biden in 2021. I guess it's good that Trudeau agreed to do appoint a "czar" to stop the suitcase full of fentanyl that crosses the northern border each year.

Was it not Mexico and Canada giving in that backed him down (for a month anyway)?

No this was one of those rare occasions when neoliberalism worked in the common man's favour. The markets told Trump and his cronies that this policy was going to cost them personal wealth, and he backed away.
#5
General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
February 03, 2025, 02:49:18 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on February 03, 2025, 02:22:29 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on February 03, 2025, 01:00:13 PMAt some stage you have to coach what you have, set them up how you want them. What manager doesent inherit players at the start ?

I can see Amorim being under an element of pressure next season if it doesent go great.

I don't think he'll  see a year in the job.  The cycle  of shite  will continue

Look at the transformation of Forest in a  few months. And Palace to a lesser extent. Same players practically.  Bournemouth look set up well, as do Brighton (Saturday excepted).

Why  can't that be achieved at United? Are the  players  incapable of  following a game plan?  Is there a game  plan?  What's that thing there? Are those my feet?

That's pretty much the same transformation that happened to United under Solskjaer.

Forest and Bournemouth will regress to the mean soon enough.

Perhaps the biggest difference between them and United though on the downward curve is that Forest will sell on their players as they're regressing. United will instead award them lengthy contracts on wages that nobody else would pay.
#6
General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
February 03, 2025, 12:58:06 PM
United can't afford a squad overhaul. They need to bring money in before they can spend, or at least at the same time.

I've no idea how Chelsea got around this last year all the same
#7
General discussion / Re: Premier League 2024-2025
February 02, 2025, 05:35:15 PM
Quote from: shark on February 02, 2025, 05:30:05 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 04:23:16 PMUnited not even making it into live TV in the UK?

It was a Saturday 3pm fixture that was moved due to Europa League. Those games are never shown.

I'd imagine though there's a logistics man in Sky can predict with complete accuracy when United will be playing on Sundays due to Europa League group stage fixtures.
#8
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 02, 2025, 04:34:39 PM
Serious parallels between Trump and Brexit already. Personal greed and control, masked in jingoism.

I suppose the main difference is that Trump didn't overly lie about his intentions / "strategies" to get elected. People wanted what they're now getting.

#9
General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
February 01, 2025, 10:31:39 PM
That was a good win today. England flew out of the blocks but Ireland were the better team from 10-15 mins onwards in most aspects.

How in holy f**k is Conor Murray still involved with the national team? What is the rationale here?
#10
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 01, 2025, 02:40:03 PMRidiculous carry on having no rule book going into round 2 of the league,  HQ couldn't wait to push in these new rules.

Quote"We don't understand how it hasn't been picked up that we're going into Round 2 and we don't have a rule book..."

Spoke to a "horrified" David Gough earlier about the implementation of Gaelic football's new rules from a referee's standpoint

https://x.com/EoinSheahan/status/1885378131399205290



The strangest thing of all about the new rules (apart from not implementing a back court rule, and apart from making keepers into quasi-heroes), is that they didn't spend this year rolling out isolated rules and groups of rules in senior club leagues, and observing what worked in isolation, and in groups.

Those senior leagues means the GAA has the perfect chemistry lab for experimenting with rules. But instead they went straight for mass vaccination with a cocktail of anything they could lay their hands on, with pretty much zero understanding of the likelihood of side effects and cross contamination.

Honestly I don't think anyone will know if / what is helping until a bunch of rules are put on hold.
#11
General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
January 31, 2025, 01:25:30 PM
Just the 7 starters and 5 replacements who are over 30 years old this weekend, en route to the four-yearly decimation of a tired, battered and ageing Irish team in the quarter finals of the World Cup.

Meanwhile there's a squad of men at home or on the fringes of the team who can't be trusted for a World Cup game, as they've never been trusted before.

One World Cup cycle Ireland might eventually identify the weakness in their cyclical strategy. f**k knows they spend enough money on analysis so it should be obvious enough.

But not this time. No way.

#12
TBrick, 2 things.

One is that I think you're taking the "only the captain can talk" thing a little too literally. Referees are human and most of them will happily explain / chat with anyone in a reasonable manner.

I think you would be better considering the rulee more along the lines of "only the captain can protest".

Which brings me onto the second point. If you really feel a team needs the ability to protest the referee in all 4 corners of the field, then you're not getting on board with this concept at all. Those who feel it's a natural thing to roar expletives as a man making 50:50 decisions, are the ones being brought to bear here. And it has to be done. Because how we currently treat officials is parasitical.


#13
Quote from: JoG2 on January 30, 2025, 08:55:02 AM
Quote from: thebigfullforward on January 30, 2025, 08:45:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2025, 10:35:23 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2025, 10:24:28 PM
Quote from: jay110 on January 29, 2025, 10:22:13 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2025, 09:53:57 PMWhat is the punishment for yapping at the ref for giving a free against you?
50 metres forward I'm pretty sure, only the team captain can speak to the ref
What if it's a 13m tap over free?

Move to in front of the goal on the 13, if he's yapping, book him or depending on what's coming out black card him.

Unfortunately shooting them wasn't brought in this time

The black card for yapping needs a bit more content than the regular gurning in fairness

I've used it a few times
Seems harsh if the player is giving out about a genuinely bad decision

Giving out, is this not what certain rules are trying to stop ? A change in culture, stopping refs being abused, as has been happening for decades? Players will soon learn, be respectful with all communications to the ref. It'll take time for certain players / sidelines to zip it, verbally abusing the ref is just something they've always done, not anymore

This is it.

Those people who choose to unleash fury on referees rarely, if ever, care one f**k about whether it's a good decision or a bad decision, they just don't want this decision or any future decisions going against their team.
#14
Quote from: gallsman on January 28, 2025, 12:09:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 28, 2025, 11:50:58 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 28, 2025, 11:46:20 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 28, 2025, 10:55:47 AMHard cold facts would suggest that teams with a traditional keeper outperform those with a roaming keeper.

What ones are these now? Your argument that the last 3 AI winning teams had more traditional keepers?

Yep.

It's a small data set, I know. But I'm not sure a case exists yet in county or club football whereby a team's results have improved after enabling a roaming keeper.

Ok, so it's a small data set, but these are "hard cold facts"?

Out of curiosity, how come you chose 3 years? Why not go back 4? Did something perhaps happen in 2001 that might invalidate your argument a touch?

I don't really care either way, but don't present little more then speculation as fact ffs.

Jesus you're angsty.

Why 3 years?

Because that's roughly around the same time that roaming keepers took off.

For example, when Tyrone won the 2021 AI, Morgan was predominately a keeper who rarely left his own 45, apart from for long range frees.

Since then, Tyrone, Armagh, Derry, Galway, Monaghan and to some extent Mayo (I'm focusing on top flight teams here btw) have all pursued a strategy of keepers becoming link men through the opposition's half.

And it hasn't, yet, worked out for any of them.

——

I notice your edit on Ryan.

And now you're just being difficult.

A goalkeeper empowered and willing to help out his defence is not even remotely the same concept as the goalkeeper who end up in forward positions. Don't compare the two. It's like comparing a centre half forward with a corner back. 
#15
Quote from: gallsman on January 28, 2025, 11:46:20 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 28, 2025, 10:55:47 AMHard cold facts would suggest that teams with a traditional keeper outperform those with a roaming keeper.

What ones are these now? Your argument that the last 3 AI winning teams had more traditional keepers?

Yep.

It's a small data set, I know. But I'm not sure a case exists yet in county or club football whereby a team's results have improved after enabling a roaming keeper.