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[StGallsGAA]

What does ORCS mean? 

They are the hideous foot-soldiers of Mordor.

[Galwaybhoy]

Good win for Celtic over a very good Gers team.

It wouldnt suprise me if both Celtic and Rangers take a good stab at the Champions League next season.  Man Utd, Barca etc beware...

[Main Street]

Galwegian sarcasm?

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

If I'd been served the first 90 mins up as a meal, I would have sent it back, but over all was expecting a cagey performance from both teams, especially when I seen uncle Wallys 4-5-1 and Strachan following suit!
When Samaras (who I thought had a terrible game) did come on and the bhoys reverted to 4-4-2 they started taking over the game.
MOTM for me was a toss up between Aidaniho and Brown, O'Dea also had a good game, thought we were poor defensively AGAIN!

Anyway well done Celtic, hopefully this will set the scene for the rest of the season and 4-in-a-row.

Hail Hail

[Galwaybhoy]

Galwegian sarcasm?

Not at all.

And now to join McGeedy in the Irish first team, Trapattoni should introduce another world beater in Darren O'Dea.  I can just see the Italian national team shaking in their boots.

Fair play to the Bhoys, another cup in the bag, and Parkhead I'm sure would be an exciting attraction for some of the top footballers in the world, it will be time for the board to get their chequebook out come the summer!

[lynchbhoy]

Galwegian sarcasm?

Not at all.

And now to join McGeedy in the Irish first team, Trapattoni should introduce another world beater in Darren O'Dea.  I can just see the Italian national team shaking in their boots.

Fair play to the Bhoys, another cup in the bag, and Parkhead I'm sure would be an exciting attraction for some of the top footballers in the world, it will be time for the board to get their chequebook out come the summer!

O'Dea is a centre half, a better one imo than McManus and caldwell, but a makeshift LB is all he is. You need naturals in these positions, and O'dea is just verver going tobe the wing raiding full back that is seemingly missing from most teams these days.
However the young lad is a great centre half and imo is not far off getting a call up for Ireland, certainly better than McShane and obrien for centre and is understudy to dunne and o'shea imo.

Strachan HAS money to spend, its just he prefers to buy cheap scots players rather than splash out on decent internationally proven guys.

[Roger]

What does ORCS mean? 

They are the hideous foot-soldiers of Mordor.

I presumed he doesn't like Rangers but what does ORCS actually stand for?

[lfdown2]

reference to lord of the rings as is mordor ie govan, nothing for you to get excited about no sectarian referencing or such like...

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

What does ORCS mean? 

They are the hideous foot-soldiers of Mordor.

I presumed he doesn't like Rangers but what does ORCS actually stand for?

Orcs
A Latin word for a demon or a creature of the underworld, the word Orc was revived by J. R. R. Tolkien in his fictional stories of Middle-earth as the name of a race of creatures that are often used by evil forces as soldiers.

Sources of the name "orc"
Orcus, in Roman mythology, was an alternative name for Pluto, Hades, or Dis Pater, god of the land of the dead. The name "Orcus" seems to have been given to his evil, punishing side, as the god who tormented evildoers in the afterlife.

Pliny the Elder wrote of orcs in his Historia naturalis, describing a sea monster with large teeth. In Orlando Furioso, an epic by Ludovico Ariosto, the name of "orc" was given to a sea monster that captured the damsel Angelica, and was fought by the hero Rogero riding a hippogriff. It is this use of the word that gave us the term orcinus orca as the scientific name for the killer whale.

From this usage, the word "orc" made it into English by being borrowed by Michael Drayton in his Polyolbion, an epic poem about Brutus the Trojan and the mythical founders of Britain, and also appears in the epic poem Paradise Lost, by John Milton. William Blake names one of the characters in his complex mythology "Orc"; Blake's Orc, a proper name, seems to be the embodiment of creative passion and energy, and stands opposed to Urizen, the embodiment of reason.


Tolkien's Orcs
The humanoid, non-maritime race of orcs are Tolkien's invention. The term "Orc" is properly capitalised in Tolkien's writing, but not necessarily in other sources.

In Tolkien's writing, Orcs are described as humanoid, roughly human-sized, ugly and filthy. Although not dim-witted, they are portrayed as dull and miserable beings, who corrupt words (an insult, when stated by a philologist like Tolkien!) and are only able to destroy, not to create. Orcs are used as soldiers by both the greater and lesser villains of The Lord of the Rings — Sauron and Saruman. In Tolkien's Sindarin language, "Orc" is orch, plural yrch.


The origin of Orcs
The origin of Orcs is an open question. In Tolkien's writings, evil is not capable of independent creation, making it unlikely that the vala Melkor (later called Morgoth), who was obviously the first to produce them, could do that ex nihilo. According to the oldest "theory" proposed by Tolkien, Orcs were in fact transformed from Elves - the purest form of life on Eä (the Earth)- by means of torture and mutilation. Moreover, if Orcs were in fact Elves at their core, this could perhaps mean that they were also immortal — a fact which, if true, would seem inconsistent with Tolkien's treatment of orcs, though the books do not openly confirm or deny it. If Orcs indeed were immortal, it holds no doubt that their Fëar would not be allowed reïncarnation by Mandos, if they even answered the calling. Most Orcs would probably fear the calling of Mandos, and therefore would see their Fëar diminished to evil spirits. These may have been some of the evil spirits occasionally described in the books, such as the spirit which tempted Gorlim of Barahir's company, or the Barrow-wights. There is some evidence for the immortality, or otherwise long life of Orcs in ROTK: Gorbag and Shagrat, during the conversation which Sam overheard, mention the "Great Siege" of the Last Alliance. From the sentence it becomes clear they were there, and actually remembered it themselves: an event which lay millennia in the past.
There are hints in the The History of Middle-earth series of books, (especially in Morgoth's Ring in the section "Myths Transformed"), that some Orc leaders, such as the First Age's Boldog, or the Great Goblin encountered by Bilbo and the Dwarves, may in fact have been fallen Maiar which had taken Orc form:

Some of these things may have been delusions and phantoms but some were no doubt shapes taken by the servants of Melkor, mocking and degrading the very forms of the children. For Melkor had in his service great numbers of Maiar, who had the power, as their Master, of taking visible and tangible shape in Arda. ('Morgoth's Ring', "Myths transformed", text X')

Boldog (...) is a name that occurs many times in the tales of the War. But it is possible that Boldog was not a personal name, and either a title, or else the name of a kind of creature: the Orc-formed Maiar, only less formidable than the Balrogs (Author's footnote to the text X)

Melkor had corrupted many spirits - some great as Sauron, or less as Balrogs. The least could have been primitive Orcs. (Author's note to text)

Later under Morgoth's lieutenant, the necromancer Sauron, it has been suggested that Men were cross-bred with the Orcs. This process was later repeated during the War of the Ring, creating the fierce Orcs known as Uruk-hai.

Yet other Orcs may have begun as animals of vaguely humanoid shapes, empowered by the will of the Dark Lord (first Morgoth, later Sauron): this may explain the references to their "beaks and feathers" in Tolkien's writings.

The Orcs were beasts of humanized shape (...). ('Morgoth's Ring', "Myths transformed", text VIII')

It is certain all Orcs were dependant on the Dark Lord in various ways: after their leader was defeated, the Orcs were confused and dismayed, and easily scattered by their enemies. In the millennia after Morgoth's defeat and banishment from Arda, they were without a leader they degenerated to small, quarrelsome tribes hiding in the mountains. Only when Sauron returned to power did they begin to reclaim some of their old power. The same happened after Sauron's defeat by the Last Alliance of Elves and Men: only when Sauron returned as the Necromancer of Mirkwood did the Orcs become a real danger for Middle-Earth again.

While Tolkien originally saw all Orcs as descended from tortured Elves, later comments of his indicate, according to Christopher Tolkien in Morgoth's Ring ("Myths Transformed, text X"), that he began to feel uncomfortable with this theory. At about the same time he removed the references to the Thrall-Noldorin, he also began searching for a new origin for the Orcs. The Orc origin question may have been one of the problems Tolkien tried to solve by completely changing the cosmology and prehistory of Arda. By setting the origin of Men back to almost the same time as the Elves, he possibly allowed for Men to be the origin of Orcs all along. However, Tolkien died before he could completely this upheaval of the cosmology, and in the published version of Silmarillion, the Elf origin of Orcs was adopted.



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It is interesting to note that to an extent, Tolkien did not regard Orcs as evil in their own right, but only as tools of Melkor and Sauron. He wrote once that "we were all orcs in the Great War", indicating perhaps that an orc for him was not an inherent build-up of personality, but rather a state of mind bound upon destruction.

In The Hobbit, Tolkien used the word "goblin" for Orcs, either because he felt it was more familiar to his readers, or because he had not yet identified the world of The Hobbit with Middle-earth (which he had already begun creating in a separate work that would eventually become The Silmarillion). In The Lord of the Rings, "Orc" is used predominantly, and "goblin" mostly in the Hobbits' speech. This change can be seen either as a part of the shift towards the use of Elvish words that occurred during the period between the writing of The Hobbit and the writing of The Lord of the Rings, or a translation of the Hobbits' more colloquial manner (if we "accept" the books' authenticity and regard Tolkien merely as a translator).

Since the publication of Tolkien's epic novel, The Lord of the Rings, creatures called "orcs" have become a fixture of fantasy fiction and role-playing games, most famously in Dungeons & Dragons. However, in these derivative sources, orcs and goblins are usually considered distinct races of monsters. In these sources, orcs are almost always villainous, cast as a brutal, bestial, and tribal parody of humans and human society. Even game players that wish to play the role of an orc are instead usually encouraged to play a half-orc, the offspring of an orc and a human. In addition, orc is the name of one of the races in the game, Warcraft.

[Lamh Dhearg Alba]

The anti-Celtic tabloid press has definately lost the plot, Scottish NOTW giving Rangers the front page on Cup Final day with the H*ns labelled a crisis club who need to pay the banks £20m asap .

Well done to Celtic. Hopefully they add to the league as well and the Dandy Dons win the Scottish and it will be goodbye Uncle Walter. Good old Boyd, lost O' Dea for the opener

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

The anti-Celtic tabloid press has definately lost the plot, Scottish NOTW giving Rangers the front page on Cup Final day with the H*ns labelled a crisis club who need to pay the banks £20m asap .

Well done to Celtic. Hopefully they add to the league as well and the Dandy Dons win the Scottish and it will be goodbye Uncle Walter. Good old Boyd, lost O' Dea for the opener

Did they have the crest cracked at the top of the page? 

[carribbear]

Exclusive: Rangers might be in debt

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Very good carribear. 

I see on the BBC that O'Dea is asking for regular first team soccer, can't say I blame him, imagine being left on the bench for Lee Naylor! 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/7949574.stm

[lynchbhoy]

this should interest LDA


Thugs attacked Celtic star Artur Boruc's house as he celebrated win
Mar 17 2009 By Mark Mcgivern

CELTIC goalie Artur Boruc's home was attacked twice by thugs just hours after the Hoops' cup final win over Rangers.

The Polish star's £1.3million mansion grounds were invaded by vandals after Celtic's 2-0 victory in the CIS Insurance Cup on Sunday.

In the first attack, before the player returned to his home, yobs threw a brick through the bathroom window. The second attack came at 1 am while the star watched TV with friends at the detached house in Bearsden, near Glasgow.

His girlfriend Sara Mannei was in the house and a three-year-old girl was asleep in a bedroom.

Last night, Boruc's close friend and financial adviser David McDonald said he, too, had been in the house when the second attack took place.

David added: "We were watching Spanish football in the living room when we heard a loud crash, obviously a window smashing.

"We went through and saw a huge brick had been put through the glass.

"It wasn't a normal brick. It was something they had taken from the garden and much bigger. It would have taken the kind of effort to throw a shot putt to lift it and put it through the window. If the brick had hit anyone inside the house, it would have killed them outright.

"These people attacked the house indiscriminately and didn't care about the consequences.

"We looked out the window and looked around the house but whoever did it had gone.

"I wouldn't say Artur was terrified but he is hugely concerned just now and doesn't want any kind of repeat."

David had watched the game at Hampden before returning to his own home and arranging to meet Artur in Bearsden later.

He said: "I spoke to Artur on the phone and he told me a bathroom window had been done by the time he got home.

"The bathroom is at the back. Whoever did it must have prowled around a bit.

"Artur can handle abuse from Rangers fans while he is playing and there will be the odd time when people may say something in the street.

"But this is something else altogether.

"It's an attack on his house and no one should be subjected to anything like this.

"Whoever did this should be locked up. It was a nasty and premeditated attack.

"A three-year-old was sleeping in the house at the time."

David said police took almost two hours to turn up at Boruc's home to take a statement.

He said: "They said they were really busy. It took until after 2am for them to turn up and they spend half an hour taking a statement from me."

He added: "Artur already has proper security measures at home but he will be thinking about increasing them now. He is a character on the field but he's a very down to earth, decent guy."

The assault on Boruc's home is the latest in a series of appalling incidents in the aftermath of Glasgow derby matches in recent years.

In recent years, former Celtic manager Martin O'Neill's garden was attacked by thugs.

Rangers goalie Allan McGregor's car was twice attacked by vandals and Celtic coach Neil Lennon was left unconscious after being attacked by two Rangers fans, who were jailed last month.

Rangers striker Nacho Novo received death threats from sick fans and his home address was published on a website.

[lynchbhoy]

so the same paper and rest of Scotlands media condemned the posting of Novos address on a website, yet in the same breath the Daily Ranger published pics of the interior and exterior of Arturs new pad and the area where he bought the new house...doesnt even take a neandrathal bigot to work it out from there where the big fella lives....wonder if there is any condemnation on their part???
I dont think I'll be holding my breath - looks like they are almost  advertising where Boruc lives !
Certainly doesnt look like the anti -Celtic brigade at this toilet paper excuse for a newspaper has changed its tack 'after all' !