The Many Faces of US Politics...

[whitey]

America is right on the edge. I mean a real breakdown of society is quite possible.

The make American great again slogan hasn't aged very well.

It's great for some people

[J70]

Not really

Policing does not exist in a vacuum

The ills of the AA community do not exist because some cops are assholes

1. The "ills of the AA community" are directly related to the historical wrongs and injustices visited upon them by society, including its institutions of law enforcement.
2. Cops got away with this shit for decades, because wider society either didn't care or didn't know and law enforcement either indulged or covered up such conduct, whether or not it was few bad apples. Mobile phones videos changed all that, although unfortunately exposure and justice is still contingent on whether or not someone happens to be around with a phone handy. If those four cops had got Floyd on some quiet, deserted alley or yard, there'd be no protests or riots. And Officer Chauvin would still be going about his official business.
3. Policing socially deprived communities is undoubtedly a very tough job. However, that does not mean that people can be treated like animals, that every black man should be treated suspiciously, and that cops should not be held to a much higher standard than criminals.

[J70]

America is right on the edge. I mean a real breakdown of society is quite possible.

The make American great again slogan hasn't aged very well.

It's great for some people

It always was.

[whitey]

Not really

Policing does not exist in a vacuum

The ills of the AA community do not exist because some cops are assholes

1. The "ills of the AA community" are directly related to the historical wrongs and injustices visited upon them by society, including its institutions of law enforcement.
2. Cops got away with this shit for decades, because wider society either didn't care or didn't know and law enforcement either indulged or covered up such conduct, whether or not it was few bad apples. Mobile phones videos changed all that, although unfortunately exposure and justice is still contingent on whether or not someone happens to be around with a phone handy. If those four cops had got Floyd on some quiet, deserted alley or yard, there'd be no protests or riots. And Officer Chauvin would still be going about his official business.
3. Policing such communities is undoubtedly a very tough job. However, that does not mean that people can be treated like animals, that every black man should be treated suspiciously, and that cops should not be held to a much higher standard than criminals.

Agreed, but burning your city to the ground, looting left right and center and kicking the living $hit out of anyone who disagrees with you accomplishes absolutely nothing

[J70]

Not really

Policing does not exist in a vacuum

The ills of the AA community do not exist because some cops are assholes

1. The "ills of the AA community" are directly related to the historical wrongs and injustices visited upon them by society, including its institutions of law enforcement.
2. Cops got away with this shit for decades, because wider society either didn't care or didn't know and law enforcement either indulged or covered up such conduct, whether or not it was few bad apples. Mobile phones videos changed all that, although unfortunately exposure and justice is still contingent on whether or not someone happens to be around with a phone handy. If those four cops had got Floyd on some quiet, deserted alley or yard, there'd be no protests or riots. And Officer Chauvin would still be going about his official business.
3. Policing such communities is undoubtedly a very tough job. However, that does not mean that people can be treated like animals, that every black man should be treated suspiciously, and that cops should not be held to a much higher standard than criminals.

Agreed, but burning your city to the ground, looting left right and center and kicking the living $hit out of anyone who disagrees with you accomplishes absolutely nothing

No doubt.

[tonto1888]

20 people shot dead in Chicago this weekend

https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/2020/6/1/21275944/chicago-weekend-shootings-most-violent-weekend-2020-may-29-june-1


10 people shot dead in Chicago last weekend

https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/crime/2020/5/25/21268348/chicago-memorial-day-weekend-shootings-gun-violence-may-22-26

But hey, let's blame the cops

Quite staggering that somebody could miss the point to such a degree, you'd think acknowledging the pain and injustice black America rightly feels would be easy - but obviously not for some people.

I wonder why that is.

look at who you are replying to and ask yourself if you are surprised

[Eamonnca1]

What the "it's just a few bad apples" merchants forget about the metaphor is that it's not just the bad apple that you're at risk of eating. One bad apple can cause the entire barrel to rot. One bad cop, who is tolerated by the system, can turn good cops bad. How? By contributing to the culture of circling the wagons and defending "one of our own" no matter what the crimes are. By staying silent when cops abuse their authority.

When a cop gets away with murdering someone in broad daylight and in cold blood, while a camera is pointed at him, in the age of social media, knowing full well that video footage is going to go around the world in a matter of minutes, and still keeps on strangling his defenseless victim, it's because he knows that his chances of getting as much as a slap on the wrist for it are almost negligible. His chances of being prosecuted for it are vanishingly small. And his chances of doing any time for it are too insignificant to even consider. A psychotic murderer in uniform has no incentive to desist. If he wants to kill with impunity, he knows he can do it because his colleagues and his union have all got his back. He knows that the police department will defend him, his union will defend him, prosecutors who have a cozy relationship with the cops will not want to ruffle any blue feathers, and if by some miracle it gets as far as a court then it's a good bet that there'll be an all-white jury calling the shots.

ALL cops are responsible for the behavior of their colleagues. They are responsible for the culture that allows these people to get away with murder. One bad apple can rot the barrel, as well as the entire system.

[Eamonnca1]

20 people shot dead in Chicago this weekend

https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/2020/6/1/21275944/chicago-weekend-shootings-most-violent-weekend-2020-may-29-june-1


10 people shot dead in Chicago last weekend

https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/crime/2020/5/25/21268348/chicago-memorial-day-weekend-shootings-gun-violence-may-22-26

But hey, let's blame the cops

Nice try, but the loose gun laws in Indiana are the reason for Chicago's violence and you know it.

[Eamonnca1]

SIDS blaming them....maybe you interpreted his
Comments differently than I did
"The anger at police and the ruling fascist regime of Trump is entirely justified, and then some."

I must have missed where he blamed the specific deaths in Chicago you refer to on the cops.

Yes....it went over your head

No, I looked at the exchange with Gmac and I don't see any reference to Chicago.

Conservatives love Chicago. It's an outlier that they think proves all of their talking points, whether it's about gun control or "black-on-black crime."

[Eamonnca1]

Not really

Policing does not exist in a vacuum

The ills of the AA community do not exist because some cops are assholes

1. The "ills of the AA community" are directly related to the historical wrongs and injustices visited upon them by society, including its institutions of law enforcement.
2. Cops got away with this shit for decades, because wider society either didn't care or didn't know and law enforcement either indulged or covered up such conduct, whether or not it was few bad apples. Mobile phones videos changed all that, although unfortunately exposure and justice is still contingent on whether or not someone happens to be around with a phone handy. If those four cops had got Floyd on some quiet, deserted alley or yard, there'd be no protests or riots. And Officer Chauvin would still be going about his official business.
3. Policing such communities is undoubtedly a very tough job. However, that does not mean that people can be treated like animals, that every black man should be treated suspiciously, and that cops should not be held to a much higher standard than criminals.

Agreed, but burning your city to the ground, looting left right and center and kicking the living $hit out of anyone who disagrees with you accomplishes absolutely nothing

And what, pray tell, is accomplished by allowing cops to murder the citizens they're sworn to protect? What is accomplished by having innocent civilians living out their lives in terror and fear for their lives because of the threat of violence and murder from the police?

[Eamonnca1]

Any Irishman who takes the side of an oppressor in a case like this really puts his Irishness into doubt.

You're no Irishman, Whitey. You've been so brainwashed into this cult of conservatism that it's impossible to reason with you. You're a lost cause. A brick wall. Any further correspondence with you is pointless. You are beyond redemption. Beyond hope. Any further discourse with you is likely to be as productive as all previous attempts to get reality into your impregnable skull.

The ignore feature is all that's left for you.

I don't hate you, I pity you. There was probably a time when you were reasonable, but cults can do terrible things to people. This bitterness and hatred that seems to shape your worldview is not healthy, and as a fellow human being I do hope you find a way out of the dark place that you keep sinking into.

Good luck. And goodbye.

[J70]

The Lincoln Project (run by anti-Trump conservatives, including Mr. Kelly-Ann Conway) have a new video about the confederate flag:

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln

[whitey]

https://youtu.be/wv5YWHliaNs

Hope you guys never run into bucks like this......

[LeoMc]

https://youtu.be/wv5YWHliaNs

Hope you guys never run into bucks like this......

So the police can do what they want cos there are some bad guys out there. Bloody Sunday and Operation Motorman was grand cos there were IRA men in Derry.

[whitey]

https://youtu.be/wv5YWHliaNs

Hope you guys never run into bucks like this......

So the police can do what they want cos there are some bad guys out there. Bloody Sunday and Operation Motorman was grand cos there were IRA men in Derry.

Who said that?