Things that make you go What the F**k?

[thewobbler]

You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.

Hence the food chain comment.

As a car driver on a narrow road, I exercise extreme caution when larger vehicles appear on the horizon. The driver of the other vehicle will exercise the same caution, but it's of greater importance to me to manage my space carefully, as in the event of a collision, it'll be my last action on this earth, regardless of culpability.

Whereas all too often, I witness cyclists who seem oblivious to this concept. The contrast with the behaviour of motorcyclists is stark.

[general_lee]

Motorcyclists speed too much. I don't see how they are to be held as an example of proper highway etiquette.

[Hardy]

You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.

Hence the food chain comment.

As a car driver on a narrow road, I exercise extreme caution when larger vehicles appear on the horizon. The driver of the other vehicle will exercise the same caution, but it's of greater importance to me to manage my space carefully, as in the event of a collision, it'll be my last action on this earth, regardless of culpability.

Whereas all too often, I witness cyclists who seem oblivious to this concept. The contrast with the behaviour of motorcyclists is stark.

This is the point that cyclists, uniquely among road users, seem as a group unable or unwilling to comprehend. On an anecdotal level it seems to me to spring from a militancy as a group that drives them to insist on their equal status as road users and on a consequent right to impede the progress of traffic whose normal speed is much greater than theirs. This will extend to cycling two abreast on a bendy road where a car travelling under the speed limit may be forced to take extreme evasive action on rounding a bend to avoid killing one of these morons. Do they really expect that all drivers should proceed at the average speed of a bike in case they should encounter one on rounding a bend?

You don't see pedestrians behaving like this. As a group, they seem to grasp the concept that it doesn't matter if you're right (as you see it) if you're dead and so they will take steps to protect themselves from traffic that may not necessarily know they're there.

And when we question this level of stupidity among the militant cycling tendency, WE are accused of being indifferent to their welfare - ignoring the fact that WE are the ones taking the trouble to point out this danger to their welfare.

[haranguerer]

You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.

Hence the food chain comment.

As a car driver on a narrow road, I exercise extreme caution when larger vehicles appear on the horizon. The driver of the other vehicle will exercise the same caution, but it's of greater importance to me to manage my space carefully, as in the event of a collision, it'll be my last action on this earth, regardless of culpability.

Whereas all too often, I witness cyclists who seem oblivious to this concept. The contrast with the behaviour of motorcyclists is stark.

This is the point that cyclists, uniquely among road users, seem as a group unable or unwilling to comprehend. On an anecdotal level it seems to me to spring from a militancy as a group that drives them to insist on their equal status as road users and on a consequent right to impede the progress of traffic whose normal speed is much greater than theirs. This will extend to cycling two abreast on a bendy road where a car travelling under the speed limit may be forced to take extreme evasive action on rounding a bend to avoid killing one of these morons. Do they really expect that all drivers should proceed at the average speed of a bike in case they should encounter one on rounding a bend?

You don't see pedestrians behaving like this. As a group, they seem to grasp the concept that it doesn't matter if you're right (as you see it) if you're dead and so they will take steps to protect themselves from traffic that may not necessarily know they're there.

And when we question this level of stupidity among the militant cycling tendency, WE are accused of being indifferent to their welfare - ignoring the fact that WE are the ones taking the trouble to point out this danger to their welfare.

'bendy road travelling under the speed limit' - if you're using the speed limit as the guide to what is safe on a bendy road where there could be anything round the next corner, not just cyclists, you're the moron, not them.

[maddog]

You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.

Hence the food chain comment.

As a car driver on a narrow road, I exercise extreme caution when larger vehicles appear on the horizon. The driver of the other vehicle will exercise the same caution, but it's of greater importance to me to manage my space carefully, as in the event of a collision, it'll be my last action on this earth, regardless of culpability.

Whereas all too often, I witness cyclists who seem oblivious to this concept. The contrast with the behaviour of motorcyclists is stark.

This is the point that cyclists, uniquely among road users, seem as a group unable or unwilling to comprehend. On an anecdotal level it seems to me to spring from a militancy as a group that drives them to insist on their equal status as road users and on a consequent right to impede the progress of traffic whose normal speed is much greater than theirs. This will extend to cycling two abreast on a bendy road where a car travelling under the speed limit may be forced to take extreme evasive action on rounding a bend to avoid killing one of these morons. Do they really expect that all drivers should proceed at the average speed of a bike in case they should encounter one on rounding a bend?

You don't see pedestrians behaving like this. As a group, they seem to grasp the concept that it doesn't matter if you're right (as you see it) if you're dead and so they will take steps to protect themselves from traffic that may not necessarily know they're there.

And when we question this level of stupidity among the militant cycling tendency, WE are accused of being indifferent to their welfare - ignoring the fact that WE are the ones taking the trouble to point out this danger to their welfare.

In the situation you describe they should be in single file however 2 abreast should still be smaller than most cars so i expect a car travelling along such a road should be expecting to take evasive action of another car, tractor, pedestrian, horse etc.

[GJL]

An interesting point in this debate is that the majority of cyclists are in fact also car drivers so have experienced both sides of the argument where as the complaining drivers have not experienced the road from a cyclist's seat.

Being on a bike on a busy road can be very intimidating whilst on your own so cycling in a group does provide more safety. I only recently took to the roads on a bike and my point of view has significantly changed. There are of course a few a$$holes on bikes who give all cyclists a bad name.

[Keyser soze]

You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.

Hence the food chain comment.

As a car driver on a narrow road, I exercise extreme caution when larger vehicles appear on the horizon. The driver of the other vehicle will exercise the same caution, but it's of greater importance to me to manage my space carefully, as in the event of a collision, it'll be my last action on this earth, regardless of culpability.

Whereas all too often, I witness cyclists who seem oblivious to this concept. The contrast with the behaviour of motorcyclists is stark.

This is the point that cyclists, uniquely among road users, seem as a group unable or unwilling to comprehend. On an anecdotal level it seems to me to spring from a militancy as a group that drives them to insist on their equal status as road users and on a consequent right to impede the progress of traffic whose normal speed is much greater than theirs. This will extend to cycling two abreast on a bendy road where a car travelling under the speed limit may be forced to take extreme evasive action on rounding a bend to avoid killing one of these morons. Do they really expect that all drivers should proceed at the average speed of a bike in case they should encounter one on rounding a bend?

You don't see pedestrians behaving like this. As a group, they seem to grasp the concept that it doesn't matter if you're right (as you see it) if you're dead and so they will take steps to protect themselves from traffic that may not necessarily know they're there.

And when we question this level of stupidity among the militant cycling tendency, WE are accused of being indifferent to their welfare - ignoring the fact that WE are the ones taking the trouble to point out this danger to their welfare.

I think you will find that if you round a bend and kill someone, cyclist pedestrian whatever, that you are indeed expected to be able to stop to avoid a collision when rounding a bend without a clear view ahead, regardless of what speed they or indeed you are travelling at.

[Orior]

You can have a dashcam also.

Just to point out, by and large if a motorist makes a mistake the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok. If a cyclist makes a mistake, the cyclist risks death or serious injury; the motorist is likely to be ok.

Hence the food chain comment.

As a car driver on a narrow road, I exercise extreme caution when larger vehicles appear on the horizon. The driver of the other vehicle will exercise the same caution, but it's of greater importance to me to manage my space carefully, as in the event of a collision, it'll be my last action on this earth, regardless of culpability.

Whereas all too often, I witness cyclists who seem oblivious to this concept. The contrast with the behaviour of motorcyclists is stark.

This is the point that cyclists, uniquely among road users, seem as a group unable or unwilling to comprehend. On an anecdotal level it seems to me to spring from a militancy as a group that drives them to insist on their equal status as road users and on a consequent right to impede the progress of traffic whose normal speed is much greater than theirs. This will extend to cycling two abreast on a bendy road where a car travelling under the speed limit may be forced to take extreme evasive action on rounding a bend to avoid killing one of these morons. Do they really expect that all drivers should proceed at the average speed of a bike in case they should encounter one on rounding a bend?

You don't see pedestrians behaving like this. As a group, they seem to grasp the concept that it doesn't matter if you're right (as you see it) if you're dead and so they will take steps to protect themselves from traffic that may not necessarily know they're there.

And when we question this level of stupidity among the militant cycling tendency, WE are accused of being indifferent to their welfare - ignoring the fact that WE are the ones taking the trouble to point out this danger to their welfare.

I think you will find that if you round a bend and kill someone, cyclist pedestrian whatever, that you are indeed expected to be able to stop to avoid a collision when rounding a bend without a clear view ahead, regardless of what speed they or indeed you are travelling at.

That is correct.

[Brick Tamlin]

Room 101:
- Lycra-clad arrogant Cyclist pricks
- Hippy know-it-all f**kwit vegetarians/vegans
- Mothers in law.

[Keyser soze]

Anyway this used to be one of my favourite threads and it has been completely derailed by the allcyclistsarecnutsnothey'renot argument so could we desist from continuing it on here please. 

[NAG1]

Yeah I think a change of subject is required badly on this one 

[laoislad]

Room 101:
- Lycra-clad arrogant Cyclist pricks
- Hippy know-it-all f**kwit vegetarians/vegans
- Mothers in law.

- Cnuts parking beside me in an empty carpark

[trailer]

Room 101:
- Lycra-clad arrogant Cyclist pricks
- Hippy know-it-all f**kwit vegetarians/vegans
- Mothers in law.

- Cnuts parking beside me in an empty carpark

Phil Mickelson

[LooseCannon]

Room 101:
- Lycra-clad arrogant Cyclist pricks
- Hippy know-it-all f**kwit vegetarians/vegans
- Mothers in law.

- Cnuts parking beside me in an empty carpark

Phil Mickelson

Stephen Wallace 😳

[thebigfella]

Room 101:
- Lycra-clad arrogant Cyclist pricks
- Hippy know-it-all f**kwit vegetarians/vegans
- Mothers in law.

- Cnuts parking beside me in an empty carpark

Agreed... worse when the put a nice dent in your door too