East wall #Irelandisfull

[bennydorano]

More restrictive immigration is within the gift of the ROI Government no matter what the Irish Govt / EU says. That is the great irony of the UK Brexit, they always had the power to enforce a more restrictive policy but never did, preferring to go down the tried & tested right wing rabble rousing route. The ROI Government does seem to bend over anytime the EU asks it to mind you.

[imtommygunn]

There is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.

[NAG1]

There is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.

No incentive now for the ex-partners in the EU to stop the migration through their countries to the UK.

Actually it makes sense for them to allow them migrants through to the final destination of the UK. The UK Govt are now going to have to pay the likes of France etc to prevent the migrants from crossing the channel. Instead of working as a partner inside the EU framework.

Crazy decision of Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving for the people of GB/ UK.

[trailer]

The only people who can come to Ireland and work freely are EU nationals and British national. All other immigration is controlled. And getting a visa to work and live in Ireland is not straightforward. You need an Employer to sponsor you. It costs a lot of money. If the employer could fine an Irish or even EU national they would.
So anyone talking about controlling our borders or immigration, with respect, is talking nonsense.

[clarshack]

Exactly that NAG. It will lie in the middle but nuanced debate on anything appears to be a thing of the past.

It is very unfortunate that there will be "ringleaders" in this kind of stuff and they are just stirring younger ones into going on the streets and potentially getting a criminal record. It was the same with the flag protests when they happened up here.

It was exactly the same type of violence as well when Lee Clegg was released back in 1995.

[tyrone08]

My simple view is that immigration needs to be controlled in a way that benefits the economy. Forget about where they are coming from or their race. Skilled people who are in fields that there are job shortages should be let in. Unskilled workers are also required but it should be based on the number of available jobs rather than a free for all.

Australia immigration skills assessment is a good example.

That's a perfectly legitimate position to hold, if you were voting in GB you'd be voting Conservative or quite possibly the Reform Party as the Tories might be too soft for you.

Yes, and it resulted in Brexit so I would assume Tyrone08 would be in favour of Brexit and perhaps and Irexit too.

Lad have at it then. Keep the system the way it is and come back to me in 10 years and see how you feel then.

Jesus every country in the world outside of eu controls immigration.

Cant improve anything in this country without someone shouting racist.

Agree it's got to the stage it's ridiculous.
If the extremists on the left keep on shouting racist and bigot at everyone without having proper debate on key issues and when you look at what happened in Argentina and Holland this week then these idiots are going to end up being partly responsible for putting a Far Right party into power in the South.

I agree to an extend. But it works both ways. If some of the posts are challenged on here you get the "far left" response instead of actually debating the issue. Both sides seem to be incapable of discussing the issue reasonably. And the reality is somewhere in between. Immigration is required, and at times the right thing to do. Should it be more regulated? Yes. Is it possible to have complete control over that. No. It will be an imperfect system.
People crying that Ireland isn't recognisable as the country it once was are completely right. Unfortunately we can't blame all that on immigrants.

Spot on

[tyrone08]

There is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.

No incentive now for the ex-partners in the EU to stop the migration through their countries to the UK.

Actually it makes sense for them to allow them migrants through to the final destination of the UK. The UK Govt are now going to have to pay the likes of France etc to prevent the migrants from crossing the channel. Instead of working as a partner inside the EU framework.

Crazy decision of Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving for the people of GB/ UK.

The question should be why are they chosing to go to uk when they are passing through a number of far better countries to get to the uk and in some respect ireland. The only answer i can think of is the benefit package must be better in ireland and uk than elsewhere in Europe.

If you stop that then it would solve alot of the issues in that people who then come to the uk and ireland will only do so because they want to and not because its an easy life.

[tonto1888]

There is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.

No incentive now for the ex-partners in the EU to stop the migration through their countries to the UK.

Actually it makes sense for them to allow them migrants through to the final destination of the UK. The UK Govt are now going to have to pay the likes of France etc to prevent the migrants from crossing the channel. Instead of working as a partner inside the EU framework.

Crazy decision of Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving for the people of GB/ UK.

The question should be why are they chosing to go to uk when they are passing through a number of far better countries to get to the uk and in some respect ireland. The only answer i can think of is the benefit package must be better in ireland and uk than elsewhere in Europe.

If you stop that then it would solve alot of the issues in that people who then come to the uk and ireland will only do so because they want to and not because its an easy life.

there could be many reasons.
Language
Large community of [insert country nationals] there already so easier to fit in
Family here

[Mike Tyson]

There is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.

No incentive now for the ex-partners in the EU to stop the migration through their countries to the UK.

Actually it makes sense for them to allow them migrants through to the final destination of the UK. The UK Govt are now going to have to pay the likes of France etc to prevent the migrants from crossing the channel. Instead of working as a partner inside the EU framework.

Crazy decision of Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving for the people of GB/ UK.

The question should be why are they chosing to go to uk when they are passing through a number of far better countries to get to the uk and in some respect ireland. The only answer i can think of is the benefit package must be better in ireland and uk than elsewhere in Europe.

If you stop that then it would solve alot of the issues in that people who then come to the uk and ireland will only do so because they want to and not because its an easy life.

Would be interesting to see the figures compared to France or Germany say over the last 10 years. I'd imagine it isn't a case of UK being the most desired for migrants, although I did read numbers have sky rocketed the past year or so.

[imtommygunn]

I am not sure the Uk benefits system would be particularly hot at all tbh. The Irish one is probably more so.

[tonto1888]

EU so doesnt include the UK

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.REFG?locations=EU

[tonto1888]

EU so doesnt include the UK

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.REFG?locations=EU

How many refugees are there in the UK?
Refugees make up less than half a percent of the UK population (0.49%). According to the UN, there were 328,989 refugees living in the UK by the end of 2022.

[Saffrongael]

I am not sure the Uk benefits system would be particularly hot at all tbh. The Irish one is probably more so.

It can be when you factor in PIP, disabled child premiums on Universal Credit. You would be surprised

[whitey]

There is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.

No incentive now for the ex-partners in the EU to stop the migration through their countries to the UK.

Actually it makes sense for them to allow them migrants through to the final destination of the UK. The UK Govt are now going to have to pay the likes of France etc to prevent the migrants from crossing the channel. Instead of working as a partner inside the EU framework.

Crazy decision of Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving for the people of GB/ UK.

The question should be why are they chosing to go to uk when they are passing through a number of far better countries to get to the uk and in some respect ireland. The only answer i can think of is the benefit package must be better in ireland and uk than elsewhere in Europe.

If you stop that then it would solve alot of the issues in that people who then come to the uk and ireland will only do so because they want to and not because its an easy life.

there could be many reasons.
Language
Large community of [insert country nationals] there already so easier to fit in
Family here

So are those the reasons why people are coming or are those the reasons why people should be let in?

[OgraAnDun]

The knifer was stopped, at least in part, by a Brazilian courier on a motorbike who stopped and biffed him with his helmet.

Where were all the brave Irish patriots then, needing a foreigner to step in to protect women & children?

The obvious answer is that its easier to find someone who is not from ireland in dublin these days than it is to find an irish man lol

Nonsense to start with and every bar, restaurant or cafe in the city would fold without their labour anyway as the scrotes thieving from stores last night won't (or can't) do that sort of work.

While a conversation has to be had around treatment of crime and values in this country, from foreigners and our own born & bred, immigrants have had an overall net positive in Dublin and made it a far more interesting, diverse and open minded city.