Was talking to a few lads at work and we were looking at some of the clubs who never get a look in with Senior players at Senior Championship level. Parke KC's Last representative was John O'Boyle in the 80's. While Islandeady's last representative was 'Horse' Sweeney. We reckon Tourmackeady have never had a representative. which comes to my question which club hold the record for the longest without a Mayo senior championship player (if none)?
Eastern Gaels, Kilmovee Shamrocks, Carramore, Ballycroy, Kilfian, Moygownagh, Ardagh, Ballycastle, Lacken, Lahardane, Bonniconlon, Ardnaree, Parke, Islandeady, Balla, Mayo Gaels & Achill.
Didn't Balla have Pat Fallon and Ballycastle have John Madden in the 90s.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 22, 2010, 07:16:22 PM
Didn't Balla have Pat Fallon and Ballycastle have John Madden in the 90s.
Balla had TJ Killgallon too,
And Moygownagh had pat Holmes.
Lacken had Fitzmorris fella in the 80's
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 22, 2010, 11:13:41 AM
Was talking to a few lads at work and we were looking at some of the clubs who never get a look in with Senior players at Senior Championship level. Parke KC's Last representative was John O'Boyle in the 80's. While Islandeady's last representative was 'Horse' Sweeney. We reckon Tourmackeady have never had a representative. which comes to my question which club hold the record for the longest without a Mayo senior championship player (if none)?
I believe Islandeady's last rep was Ollie Feeney last year. But in saying that its one of the reasons Mayo are so poor, picking players from the same clubs and not devloping talent from the smaller clubs like Islandeady and parke. What Players could make the step up?
Islandeady= Ollie Feeney, Vinny Veeney?
Parke= Simon Closhessy?
Neale= There is a few there i think
Quote from: highking on September 22, 2010, 05:09:48 PM
Eastern Gaels, Kilmovee Shamrocks, Carramore, Ballycroy, Kilfian, Moygownagh, Ardagh, Ballycastle, Lacken, Lahardane, Bonniconlon, Ardnaree, Parke, Islandeady, Balla, Mayo Gaels & Achill.
Kilmovee - Billy Fitz?
Moygownagh - Larry & Pat Holmes
Lacken - Michael Fitzmaurice
Balla - TJ, Ronan Golding, Madden, Pat Fallon
Mayo Gaels - John Finn
Achill - Did Mick Gielty play for Mayo at senior? (He was good enough)
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 22, 2010, 09:35:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 22, 2010, 11:13:41 AM
Was talking to a few lads at work and we were looking at some of the clubs who never get a look in with Senior players at Senior Championship level. Parke KC's Last representative was John O'Boyle in the 80's. While Islandeady's last representative was 'Horse' Sweeney. We reckon Tourmackeady have never had a representative. which comes to my question which club hold the record for the longest without a Mayo senior championship player (if none)?
I believe Islandeady's last rep was Ollie Feeney last year. But in saying that its one of the reasons Mayo are so poor, picking players from the same clubs and not devloping talent from the smaller clubs like Islandeady and parke. What Players could make the step up?
Islandeady= Ollie Feeney, Vinny Veeney?
Parke= Simon Closhessy?
Neale= There is a few there i think
Ollie Feeney played Junior, Vinny feeney never lined out, Simon Cloherty played FBD.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 22, 2010, 09:57:26 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 22, 2010, 09:35:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 22, 2010, 11:13:41 AM
Was talking to a few lads at work and we were looking at some of the clubs who never get a look in with Senior players at Senior Championship level. Parke KC's Last representative was John O'Boyle in the 80's. While Islandeady's last representative was 'Horse' Sweeney. We reckon Tourmackeady have never had a representative. which comes to my question which club hold the record for the longest without a Mayo senior championship player (if none)?
I believe Islandeady's last rep was Ollie Feeney last year. But in saying that its one of the reasons Mayo are so poor, picking players from the same clubs and not devloping talent from the smaller clubs like Islandeady and parke. What Players could make the step up?
Islandeady= Ollie Feeney, Vinny Veeney?
Parke= Simon Closhessy?
Neale= There is a few there i think
Ollie Feeney played Junior, Vinny feeney never lined out, Simon Cloherty played FBD.
Ollie Feeney played FBD never said the others did or didnt play i was merely asking who COULD make the step up.
Lacken. had Michael Collins as well [ disgracefully underused and our best player in 89 AI]. Sean Clarke not sure ever played championship but did league before emigrating. PJ McGarry played championship and should have played a lot more.Seamus Reilly,RIP, won an AI medal at fullback U21 in 1974, but in a predictable pattern in this county never really featured after the Sligo defeat in 75, where he also played FB.
Ballycastle. As well as Madden, Míchael Gardiner played senior championship in the 96 campaign. Based in Dublin management didn't know what a gem they had. Awful waste.
Ardnaree. Incredibly, bar Joe Corcoran I cant remember anyone. To be honest I'm not sure if I remember Joe or just heard the stories so often. An Ardnaree man captained the 74 U21 team but never really featured after. Johnny Culkin. For a club that produce very promising younger players, this is a mystery. There are 2 that I hope will feature at senior next year or two. One based in Dublin will travel to the NY game hopefully.
Bonniconlon. Looks like all the way back to Anthony Egan. For a football mad area that is hard to fathom. Could change too though. A couple class young lads comin up.
Achill Pretty sure Seán Grealis played Senior Ch. Again based in Dublin meant he was out of the loop.
Maurice Sheridan was from Balla.
I can't recall players from Ardagh, Lahardane or Parke playin Sen Ch. Always thought Niall Dunne would have though, when he was a kid..
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2010, 11:52:16 PM
Achill Pretty sure Seán Grealis played Senior Ch. Again based in Dublin meant he was out of the loop.
Maurice Sheridan was from Balla.
I can't recall players from Ardagh, Lahardane or Parke playin Sen Ch. Always thought Niall Dunne would have though, when he was a kid..
Pretty sure Sean Grealis never played championship, just a few league games. For Achill you might have to go back to Tom Cafferkey (RIP) in the 60s. He died last year.
Balla's last player would have been Maurice Sheridan in 2003 (although he was with Salthill then). They amazingly had three players in 1996. Maurice, Pat Fallon and the never realised talent that was Ronan Goulding. And of course TJ before that.
I don't know of anyone from Ardagh ever playing. Lahardane? They had a few lads on Mayo Under 21s and Minors in the mid 1990s but don't think any stepped up to senior. Declan Leonard, Ray McDermott etc.
John O'Boyle did play league for Parke in the 1980s but pretty sure he didn't play championship. There's a decent argument to be made for Simon Cloherty. He's 28 now though. Don't think Tourmakeady have ever had one, which is a bit strange. Brendan Prender played league alright but never championship
It is strange indeed that Ardnaree never seem to be represented (apart from jinking Joe which is a while ago) on Mayo teams.
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2010, 11:52:16 PM
Lacken. had Michael Collins as well [ disgracefully underused and our best player in 89 AI]. Sean Clarke not sure ever played championship but did league before emigrating. PJ McGarry played championship and should have played a lot more.Seamus Reilly,RIP, won an AI medal at fullback U21 in 1974, but in a predictable pattern in this county never really featured after the Sligo defeat in 75, where he also played FB.
Ballycastle. As well as Madden, Míchael Gardiner played senior championship in the 96 campaign. Based in Dublin management didn't know what a gem they had. Awful waste.
Ardnaree. Incredibly, bar Joe Corcoran I cant remember anyone. To be honest I'm not sure if I remember Joe or just heard the stories so often. An Ardnaree man captained the 74 U21 team but never really featured after. Johnny Culkin. For a club that produce very promising younger players, this is a mystery. There are 2 that I hope will feature at senior next year or two. One based in Dublin will travel to the NY game hopefully.
Bonniconlon. Looks like all the way back to Anthony Egan. For a football mad area that is hard to fathom. Could change too though. A couple class young lads comin up.
Achill Pretty sure Seán Grealis played Senior Ch. Again based in Dublin meant he was out of the loop.
Maurice Sheridan was from Balla.
I can't recall players from Ardagh, Lahardane or Parke playin Sen Ch. Always thought Niall Dunne would have though, when he was a kid..
Alan Costelloe i believe from Balla before he jumped ship
Did Joe Fadian (Thomas DAvis & Achill) ever play for Mayo?
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 22, 2010, 09:58:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 22, 2010, 09:57:26 PM
Quote from: Peter Solan the Great on September 22, 2010, 09:35:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 22, 2010, 11:13:41 AM
Was talking to a few lads at work and we were looking at some of the clubs who never get a look in with Senior players at Senior Championship level. Parke KC's Last representative was John O'Boyle in the 80's. While Islandeady's last representative was 'Horse' Sweeney. We reckon Tourmackeady have never had a representative. which comes to my question which club hold the record for the longest without a Mayo senior championship player (if none)?
I believe Islandeady's last rep was Ollie Feeney last year. But in saying that its one of the reasons Mayo are so poor, picking players from the same clubs and not devloping talent from the smaller clubs like Islandeady and parke. What Players could make the step up?
Islandeady= Ollie Feeney, Vinny Veeney?
Parke= Simon Closhessy?
Neale= There is a few there i think
Ollie Feeney played Junior, Vinny feeney never lined out, Simon Cloherty played FBD.
Ollie Feeney played FBD never said the others did or didnt play i was merely asking who COULD make the step up.
My apologies, though you were naming players who had. :-[
Eastern Gaels & Kilmovee Shamrocks?
Kilmovee Shamrocks- the great J o mahony though i thik they could have been just shamrocks at the time
amyo daels had john fimm
Moygownagh Fat larry himself and in the FBD Pat holmes picked antonys brother David Finnerty for a few games
Closest thing for Lahardane would have been Padraic Garrett (RIP) dont think they had any one else
Sure didnt Ardagh have Damien Munnelly ;D
Kilcommon/Glenamoy have provided 2 goalies who played for mayo ( and outfield for the club) Fintan Ruddy & Gabriel Irwin
Write in last player to apear from club and approximate year.
Achill
Ardagh
Ardnaree
Aghamore
Balla
Ballaghaderreen Present players
Ballina Stephenites Present players
Ballinrobe
Ballintubber Present players
Ballycastle
Ballycroy
Ballyhaunis Present players
Belmullet BJ Padden
Bohola Moy Davitts Gary Ruane
Bonniconlon Anthony Egan
Breaffy Present players
Burrishoole Conor Moran '06
Carramore
Castlebar Mitchels Present players
Charlestown Sarsfields
Cill Chomáin
Claremorris
Crossmolina Present players
Davitts
Eastern Gaels
Garrymore
Islandeady
Hollymount
Kilcommon Fintan Ruddy '05
Kilfian
Killala Rory Hannick
Kilmeena
Kilmovee Shamrocks
Kiltane
Kiltimagh Paul Burke
Knockmore Present players
Lacken Michael Fitzmaurice '91
Lahardane Mchales
Louisburgh Austin O'Malley '07
Mayo Gaels John Finn '90
Moygownagh Larry Finnerty '93
Na n-Oileáin
Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin
Shrule-Glencorrib Present players
Swinford David heaney '09
The Neale
Tourmakeady
Westport James Gill '07
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 25, 2010, 02:00:51 AM
Write in last player to apear from club and approximate year.
Achill colm cafferkey>
Ardagh
Ardnaree
Aghamore jimmy lyons
Balla maurice Sheridan
Ballaghaderreen Present players
Ballina Stephenites Present players
Ballinrobe present player
Ballintubber Present players
Ballycastle M gardiner
Ballycroy
Ballyhaunis Present players
Belmullet BJ Padden
Bohola Moy Davitts Gary Ruane
Bonniconlon Anthony Egan
Breaffy Present players
Burrishoole Conor Moran '06
Carramore
Castlebar Mitchels Present players
Charlestown Sarsfields Present player
Cill Chomáin
Claremorris Ger brady 03??
Crossmolina Present players
Davitts Liam niland 90??
Eastern Gaels
Garrymore M coleman 94
Islandeady S sweeney 80's
Hollymount conelly's
Kilcommon Fintan Ruddy '05
Kilfian
Killala Rory Hannick
Kilmeena
Kilmovee Shamrocks John o mahony 81
Kiltane John Conmy '97?
Kiltimagh Paul Burke surely you mean peter
Knockmore Present players
Lacken Michael Fitzmaurice '91
Lahardane Mchales
Louisburgh Austin O'Malley '07
Mayo Gaels John Finn '90
Moygownagh Larry Finnerty '93
Na n-Oileáin Paudi 'bod mor ' O'maillie 1894
Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin
Shrule-Glencorrib Present players
Swinford David heaney '09
The Neale Sean Luskin 90? liam horan minor sub 86
Tourmakeady
Westport James Gill '07
A lot of my comment are copied from previous post and i may have made one up
Quote from: rosnarun on September 25, 2010, 03:09:24 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 25, 2010, 02:00:51 AM
Write in last player to apear from club and approximate year.
Achill colm cafferkey>
Ardagh
Ardnaree
Aghamore jimmy lyons A Freeman
Balla maurice Sheridan A Costello ;D
Ballaghaderreen Present players
Ballina Stephenites Present players
Ballinrobe present player
Ballintubber Present players
Ballycastle M gardiner
Ballycroy
Ballyhaunis Present players
Belmullet BJ Padden
Bohola Moy Davitts Gary Ruane
Bonniconlon Anthony Egan
Breaffy Present players
Burrishoole Conor Moran '06
Carramore
Castlebar Mitchels Present players
Charlestown Sarsfields Present player
Cill Chomáin
Claremorris Ger brady 03?? M mullins
Crossmolina Present players
Davitts Liam niland 90?? C Boyle
Eastern Gaels
Garrymore M coleman 94 E Varley
Islandeady S sweeney 80's
Hollymount conelly's
Kilcommon Fintan Ruddy '05
Kilfian
Killala Rory Hannick
Kilmeena
Kilmovee Shamrocks John o mahony 81
Kiltane John Conmy '97? Mickey sweenet
Kiltimagh Paul Burke surely you mean peter
Knockmore Present players
Lacken Michael Fitzmaurice '91
Lahardane Mchales
Louisburgh Austin O'Malley '07
Mayo Gaels John Finn '90
Moygownagh Larry Finnerty '93
Na n-Oileáin Paudi 'bod mor ' O'maillie 1894
Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin
Shrule-Glencorrib Present players
Swinford David heaney '09
The Neale Sean Luskin 90? liam horan minor sub 86 John Varley
Tourmakeady
Westport James Gill '07
A lot of my comment are copied from previous post and i may have made one up
Quote from: REDCOL on September 25, 2010, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 25, 2010, 03:09:24 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 25, 2010, 02:00:51 AM
Write in last player to apear from club and approximate year.
Achill colm cafferkey> (Mick Gielty played in the late 1970s)
Ardagh
Ardnaree
Aghamore jimmy lyons A Freeman
Balla maurice Sheridan A Costello ;D
Ballaghaderreen Present players
Ballina Stephenites Present players
Ballinrobe present player
Ballintubber Present players
Ballycastle M gardiner
Ballycroy
Ballyhaunis Present players
Belmullet BJ Padden
Bohola Moy Davitts Gary Ruane
Bonniconlon Anthony Egan
Breaffy Present players
Burrishoole Conor Moran '06 Liam O'Malley
Carramore (Richie Bell) Alan Costello
Castlebar Mitchels Present players
Charlestown Sarsfields Present player
Cill Chomáin Fintan Ruddy
Claremorris Ger brady 03?? M mullins
Crossmolina Present players
Davitts Liam niland 90?? C Boyle
Eastern Gaels
Garrymore M coleman 94 E Varley
Islandeady S sweeney 80's
Hollymount conelly's Shane Trench?
Kilcommon Fintan Ruddy '05
Kilfian
Killala Rory Hannick
Kilmeena
> Kilmaine Pat Kelly
Kilmovee Shamrocks John o mahony 81
Kiltane John Conmy '97? Mickey sweenet
Kiltimagh Paul Burke surely you mean peter
Knockmore Present players
Lacken Michael Fitzmaurice '91
Lahardane Mchales
Louisburgh Austin O'Malley '07
Mayo Gaels John Finn '90
Moygownagh Larry Finnerty '93
Na n-Oileáin Paudi 'bod mor ' O'maillie 1894
Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin
Shrule-Glencorrib Present players
Swinford David heaney '09
The Neale Sean Luskin 90? John Varley (Eddie Gibbons)
Tourmakeady Brendan Prendergast (didn't play Championship though)
Westport James Gill '07
A lot of my comment are copied from previous post and i may have made one up
QuoteMíchael Gardiner played senior championship in the 96 campaign. Based in Dublin management didn't know what a gem they had. Awful waste.
He played his first championship game against London in 96 ...... you'd spend a long time guessing who else ws in the half forward line that day with him ...... Pat Fallon and Noel Connelly ! He played with Ballyboden after leaving Ballycastle and was picked on the Dubling 'blue star' team in the late 90's. I remember him pretty much single handedly almost dragging Ballycastle U-21's to a win in county U-21 A semi final against a Knockmore U-21 team that featured Ray Dempsey, Peter Butler, Kevin Staunton, etc .... until he went off in the second half having broken his leg ! ((That could have been such a break-through for the club as 5 or 6 of that team moved to Dublin clubs in following year or 2)).
His brother Padraic played a couple of FBD games about 10 years ago (played all his football with Ballycastle) while the real gem - Andrew - who also played with Ballyboden never got a chance at all. He made the Dublin 'blue star' team twice if not 3 times and never got as much as a minutes action in the red and green. A different breed of played to Padraic and Michael who were both wing forwards but as tough as nails - centre back or corner back mostly.
Why i am saying all this is that if all these 3 lads had been given opportunities in their late teens or early 20's and were allowed to develop for a year or 2 in a development panel then they would have been stalwarts in the county jersey for years - i am certain of this. For Michael and Padraic their chances came in their mid 20's and it was too late to mould them at that stage. They did not have had the confidence/experience etc when they went for minor or U21 trials and in playing for a junior club were never given the chances after that.
How many other similar type gems are their in junior clubs throughout the county ...........
Great trivia! Are we talking championship?
If not Lee keegan (Westport), Shane nally (Garry) would be in.
Chrissie Barrett belmullet the same.
're Jom did he ever actually play with kilmovee?
Looks like a lot of clubs never had a rep.
're blast's point, some junior players don't get a proper run out. Definitely needs to be looked at. Hard imagine ballycastle were in an u21 A semi. I don't mean that in a condescending way, just never would have realised that
I could be wrong but I seem to recall Colm Foody from Bonniconlon getting a few minutes championship action against London or New York one year
QuoteHard imagine ballycastle were in an u21 A semi
May memory is a bit hazy ..... but it was around '89 or '90 and it was against what was a star studded Knockmore team. Initially when i was thinking about it i thought it was a North Mayo final but i'm pretty sure it was a county semi (in Ardnaree) with no divisional competitions that year. As i said the club lost a few of the better players on that team but still managed to get to a county junior final in '93 losing to Kilmeena after a replay. Had we won the U-21 a few years before then those players would have stayed on and would have see us move up to intermediate and who knows from there.... club is a lot more progressive now that it used to be but unfortunately the numbers and quality ain't what they were - with a few notable exceptions, e.g.: Michael Forde who played midfield with minors this year ...... and had he not been in UCG last year then he would have been passed over..... and no doubt there are dozens like him that didn't were passed over cos they didn't have the extra chance to develop in a colleges environment.
Quote from: blast05 on September 26, 2010, 11:00:54 AM
QuoteHard imagine ballycastle were in an u21 A semi
May memory is a bit hazy ..... but it was around '89 or '90 and it was against what was a star studded Knockmore team. Initially when i was thinking about it i thought it was a North Mayo final but i'm pretty sure it was a county semi (in Ardnaree) with no divisional competitions that year. As i said the club lost a few of the better players on that team but still managed to get to a county junior final in '93 losing to Kilmeena after a replay. Had we won the U-21 a few years before then those players would have stayed on and would have see us move up to intermediate and who knows from there.... club is a lot more progressive now that it used to be but unfortunately the numbers and quality ain't what they were - with a few notable exceptions, e.g.: Michael Forde who played midfield with minors this year ...... and had he not been in UCG last year then he would have been passed over..... and no doubt there are dozens like him that didn't were passed over cos they didn't have the extra chance to develop in a colleges environment.
Knockmore lost the 1989 U-21 semi-final to the Mitchels (after a postponement due to fog and then a replay) who then beat Charlestown in the Final. That Final was played in January 1990 due to the backlog in fixtures after the Senior team got to the AIF.
Mitchels lost the 1990 semi to Claremorris not sure about Knockmore that year.
OK, stand corrected. It might have been the north mayo before the county semi .... although mightn't even have the right year !
Anyway, point is there are plenty of raw nuggets playing junior football that need a bit of polishing and it is only through investment by the county board that such polishing can take place.
Quote from: blast05 on September 26, 2010, 01:53:26 PM
OK, stand corrected. It might have been the north mayo before the county semi .... although mightn't even have the right year !
Anyway, point is there are plenty of raw nuggets playing junior football that need a bit of polishing and it is only through investment by the county board that such polishing can take place.
Could have been 1988, Dempsey and Staunton would have been in their last year of minor.
Quote from: stephenite on September 26, 2010, 01:00:21 AM
I could be wrong but I seem to recall Colm Foody from Bonniconlon getting a few minutes championship action against London or New York one year
Still playing in London as far as i know
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/sometimes-small-is-beautiful-2353378.html
Ineeresting article in the Indo today about Corks All Irekand winning squad.
''The remarkable fact is that of Cork's starting 15 last Sunday, only seven play senior club football. And four of the five subs introduced by Conor Counihan -- Nicholas Murphy, Graham Canty, Colm O'Neill, Fintan Gould -- also ply their trade outside the top grade, bringing the junior and intermediate contingent to an amazing 12. ''
Have to admit I was very impressed with Michael Forde, he has the makings of a real gem. It was unusual this year to see so many Junior clubs represented for Mayo - Forde from Ballycastle, Conor Walsh from Balla, Darren Durkan from Parke and Adrian Leonard from Lahardane. It seems that the management may have done a proper scouting of the county. Things like the West Mayo set-up this year might help too to bring guys like Ollie and Vinny Feeney and Simon Cloherty into contention. That wouldn't have happened if they were just relying on Junior.
What constitutes an unfashionable team, does it have to be senior, or can it be Intermediate or Junior but doing well at those levels?
On the flip side, what constitutes a fashionable team - what's the criteria for being a fashionable club
Quote from: stephenite on September 27, 2010, 06:24:28 AM
On the flip side, what constitutes a fashionable team - what's the criteria for being a fashionable club
South of Ballina.
Quote from: muppet on September 27, 2010, 06:28:26 AM
Quote from: stephenite on September 27, 2010, 06:24:28 AM
On the flip side, what constitutes a fashionable team - what's the criteria for being a fashionable club
South of Ballina.
Red and yellow are hardly fashionable colours....
Quote from: ballinaman on September 27, 2010, 11:48:43 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 27, 2010, 06:28:26 AM
Quote from: stephenite on September 27, 2010, 06:24:28 AM
On the flip side, what constitutes a fashionable team - what's the criteria for being a fashionable club
South of Ballina.
Red and yellow are hardly fashionable colours....
I'm hoping they are in 3 weeks.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 27, 2010, 02:09:54 AM
What constitutes an unfashionable team, does it have to be senior, or can it be Intermediate or Junior but doing well at those levels?
Presntly Garrymore, could be labeled, they would definitely not have been in the 80's. Balla unfashionable today, but where top dogs in the '90's.
Unfashionable is what it says on the tin, not often noticed in (Mayo) Gaa. This is not to dig at any club.
Hollymount would be unfashionable now as well.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 27, 2010, 11:48:43 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 27, 2010, 06:28:26 AM
Quote from: stephenite on September 27, 2010, 06:24:28 AM
On the flip side, what constitutes a fashionable team - what's the criteria for being a fashionable club
South of Ballina.
Red and yellow are hardly fashionable colours....
The Future is Yellow and Red (Orange ;) )
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 27, 2010, 02:35:40 PM
Hollymount would be unfashionable now as well.
They have had an amazing fall over the last couple of decades. I still have nightmares about going there.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 27, 2010, 12:24:02 AM
Have to admit I was very impressed with Michael Forde, he has the makings of a real gem. It was unusual this year to see so many Junior clubs represented for Mayo - Forde from Ballycastle, Conor Walsh from Balla, Darren Durkan from Parke and Adrian Leonard from Lahardane. It seems that the management may have done a proper scouting of the county. Things like the West Mayo set-up this year might help too to bring guys like Ollie and Vinny Feeney and Simon Cloherty into contention. That wouldn't have happened if they were just relying on Junior.
Forde featured as prominently as he did cos he had a years fresher football in NUIG under his belt. If he hadn't this and was only going to college this year i doubt he would have been such an influence ..... how many potential minors that didn't have the experience of a years fresher football missed out cos they weren't considered good enough after a few trials ?
This is not to in any way dismiss the efforts of the minor selectors in scouring the county but investment by the county board in divisonal structures will lead to more players like Forde coming through from the 'unfashionable clubs' (what would we call them then ?!) ... the polishing of the raw diamonds.
An investment of say 15K a year in the North Mayo division (say at U-16, U-18, U-21 and senior grades) where all the junior clubs merge as per the temporary effort of 7 or 8 years ago would in time see a better balance of players coming from these smaller clubs a la Cork. But that 15K a year is now needed to service the debt on the big slatted house in Castlebar.
Quote from: blast05 on September 27, 2010, 08:30:07 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 27, 2010, 12:24:02 AM
Have to admit I was very impressed with Michael Forde, he has the makings of a real gem. It was unusual this year to see so many Junior clubs represented for Mayo - Forde from Ballycastle, Conor Walsh from Balla, Darren Durkan from Parke and Adrian Leonard from Lahardane. It seems that the management may have done a proper scouting of the county. Things like the West Mayo set-up this year might help too to bring guys like Ollie and Vinny Feeney and Simon Cloherty into contention. That wouldn't have happened if they were just relying on Junior.
Forde featured as prominently as he did cos he had a years fresher football in NUIG under his belt. If he hadn't this and was only going to college this year i doubt he would have been such an influence ..... how many potential minors that didn't have the experience of a years fresher football missed out cos they weren't considered good enough after a few trials ?
This is not to in any way dismiss the efforts of the minor selectors in scouring the county but investment by the county board in divisonal structures will lead to more players like Forde coming through from the 'unfashionable clubs' (what would we call them then ?!) ... the polishing of the raw diamonds.
An investment of say 15K a year in the North Mayo division (say at U-16, U-18, U-21 and senior grades) where all the junior clubs merge as per the temporary effort of 7 or 8 years ago would in time see a better balance of players coming from these smaller clubs a la Cork. But that 15K a year is now needed to service the debt on the big slatted house in Castlebar.
Could we rent it as a slated house in the winter? Be one way to service the debt.
Garrymore unfahionable ;D U21 B Champions. Beat Claremorris out the gate in the championship,3 points behind Ballintubber with 10mins to go before a harsh sending off. Destroyed by Cross, but on the way up again still can gain promotion to Div 1 with one game left albeit against Catlebar :P.
A plethora of young players coming through with intercounty experience.
Quote from: REDCOL on September 28, 2010, 08:56:32 PM
Garrymore unfahionable ;D U21 B Champions. Beat Claremorris out the gate in the championship,3 points behind Ballintubber with 10mins to go before a harsh sending off. Destroyed by Cross, but on the way up again still can gain promotion to Div 1 with one game left albeit against Catlebar :P.
A plethora of young players coming through with intercounty experience.
Ah yeah but it's the hardest pitch to find in Mayo, that can't be fashionable.
Quote from: blast05 on September 25, 2010, 08:49:38 PM
QuoteMíchael Gardiner played senior championship in the 96 campaign. Based in Dublin management didn't know what a gem they had. Awful waste.
He played his first championship game against London in 96 ...... you'd spend a long time guessing who else ws in the half forward line that day with him ...... Pat Fallon and Noel Connelly ! He played with Ballyboden after leaving Ballycastle and was picked on the Dubling 'blue star' team in the late 90's. I remember him pretty much single handedly almost dragging Ballycastle U-21's to a win in county U-21 A semi final against a Knockmore U-21 team that featured Ray Dempsey, Peter Butler, Kevin Staunton, etc .... until he went off in the second half having broken his leg ! ((That could have been such a break-through for the club as 5 or 6 of that team moved to Dublin clubs in following year or 2)).
His brother Padraic played a couple of FBD games about 10 years ago (played all his football with Ballycastle) while the real gem - Andrew - who also played with Ballyboden never got a chance at all. He made the Dublin 'blue star' team twice if not 3 times and never got as much as a minutes action in the red and green. A different breed of played to Padraic and Michael who were both wing forwards but as tough as nails - centre back or corner back mostly.
Why i am saying all this is that if all these 3 lads had been given opportunities in their late teens or early 20's and were allowed to develop for a year or 2 in a development panel then they would have been stalwarts in the county jersey for years - i am certain of this. For Michael and Padraic their chances came in their mid 20's and it was too late to mould them at that stage. They did not have had the confidence/experience etc when they went for minor or U21 trials and in playing for a junior club were never given the chances after that. How many other similar type gems are their in junior clubs throughout the county ...........
Spot on. Those boys were as good as footballers as you could hope to get anywhere. Michael was the best as regards pace and class. One of JM s worst errors was not picking him in 96 after the London game where everybody was crap but the established guys hung on. In a team with few forwards and nobody with his team ethic, pace and power, his omission was as bad as any of the other Fallon, Butler and O Neill stuff. I remember him playing in Portlaoise in the league after 96 AI and he was flying - if anything trying too hard but his quality was obvious. When I think about it I m glad JM wont be getting the gig this time.
Andrew was different as you say but like the rest had quality as well as being rugged. I liked him at 6. Padraig again was class. Ideally a wing forward he spent his time playing junior midfield from a young age. Oldest brother Joe wasn't bad either. Seriously lost footballers
Quote from: blast05 on September 26, 2010, 11:00:54 AM
QuoteHard imagine ballycastle were in an u21 A semi
May memory is a bit hazy ..... but it was around '89 or '90 and it was against what was a star studded Knockmore team. Initially when i was thinking about it i thought it was a North Mayo final but i'm pretty sure it was a county semi (in Ardnaree) with no divisional competitions that year. As i said the club lost a few of the better players on that team but still managed to get to a county junior final in '93 losing to Kilmeena after a replay. Had we won the U-21 a few years before then those players would have stayed on and would have see us move up to intermediate and who knows from there.... club is a lot more progressive now that it used to be but unfortunately the numbers and quality ain't what they were - with a few notable exceptions, e.g.: Michael Forde who played midfield with minors this year ...... and had he not been in UCG last year then he would have been passed over..... and no doubt there are dozens like him that didn't were passed over cos they didn't have the extra chance to develop in a colleges environment.
Yeah, 89 and 90 there would have been Breslins, Dohertys, Thomases? and likes of Robert Tighe who were capable of playing at any level.
Quote from: blast05 on September 27, 2010, 08:30:07 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 27, 2010, 12:24:02 AM
Have to admit I was very impressed with Michael Forde, he has the makings of a real gem. It was unusual this year to see so many Junior clubs represented for Mayo - Forde from Ballycastle, Conor Walsh from Balla, Darren Durkan from Parke and Adrian Leonard from Lahardane. It seems that the management may have done a proper scouting of the county. Things like the West Mayo set-up this year might help too to bring guys like Ollie and Vinny Feeney and Simon Cloherty into contention. That wouldn't have happened if they were just relying on Junior.
Forde featured as prominently as he did cos he had a years fresher football in NUIG under his belt. If he hadn't this and was only going to college this year i doubt he would have been such an influence ..... how many potential minors that didn't have the experience of a years fresher football missed out cos they weren't considered good enough after a few trials ?
This is not to in any way dismiss the efforts of the minor selectors in scouring the county but investment by the county board in divisonal structures will lead to more players like Forde coming through from the 'unfashionable clubs' (what would we call them then ?!) ... the polishing of the raw diamonds.
An investment of say 15K a year in the North Mayo division (say at U-16, U-18, U-21 and senior grades) where all the junior clubs merge as per the temporary effort of 7 or 8 years ago would in time see a better balance of players coming from these smaller clubs a la Cork. But that 15K a year is now needed to service the debt on the big slatted house in Castlebar.
Forde was being mentioned in dispatches in 09. Management choose not to pick him. As late as this spring there were reservations. He was repeating major errors, ie. giving away the ball. That s the thing about different levels of football. Junior maybe you can give the ball away soft and not get punished, and you get it back soft again. Undoubtedly the freshers thing brought him along but he improved over the course of the summer as well. Usually Mayo managements take a pasting but this year that team came on in leaps and bounds from the Spring. I saw Forde v Galway. Strong and athletic and able to play. But concentration and positioning were a bit off. In the past young fellas would be rid of for that. In later games he was way ahead of that. He is a player that should develop well.
Where did Forde go to Secondary school and what do they play? Coming from a small club is not a problem as long as you get the opportunity to play for one of the bigger schools. Small club/small sciool is what means a player does not develop. Carrying a team causes awful bad habits. Talented young players need to get into serious schools and county squads as early as possible. Not that the coaches are better but they are playing with and against players of higher ability and games are pacier and decision making is as important as any physical attribute.
Quote from: moysider on September 28, 2010, 11:28:53 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 25, 2010, 08:49:38 PM
QuoteMíchael Gardiner played senior championship in the 96 campaign. Based in Dublin management didn't know what a gem they had. Awful waste.
He played his first championship game against London in 96 ...... you'd spend a long time guessing who else ws in the half forward line that day with him ...... Pat Fallon and Noel Connelly ! He played with Ballyboden after leaving Ballycastle and was picked on the Dubling 'blue star' team in the late 90's. I remember him pretty much single handedly almost dragging Ballycastle U-21's to a win in county U-21 A semi final against a Knockmore U-21 team that featured Ray Dempsey, Peter Butler, Kevin Staunton, etc .... until he went off in the second half having broken his leg ! ((That could have been such a break-through for the club as 5 or 6 of that team moved to Dublin clubs in following year or 2)).
His brother Padraic played a couple of FBD games about 10 years ago (played all his football with Ballycastle) while the real gem - Andrew - who also played with Ballyboden never got a chance at all. He made the Dublin 'blue star' team twice if not 3 times and never got as much as a minutes action in the red and green. A different breed of played to Padraic and Michael who were both wing forwards but as tough as nails - centre back or corner back mostly.
Why i am saying all this is that if all these 3 lads had been given opportunities in their late teens or early 20's and were allowed to develop for a year or 2 in a development panel then they would have been stalwarts in the county jersey for years - i am certain of this. For Michael and Padraic their chances came in their mid 20's and it was too late to mould them at that stage. They did not have had the confidence/experience etc when they went for minor or U21 trials and in playing for a junior club were never given the chances after that. How many other similar type gems are their in junior clubs throughout the county ...........
Spot on. Those boys were as good as footballers as you could hope to get anywhere. Michael was the best as regards pace and class. One of JM s worst errors was not picking him in 96 after the London game where everybody was crap but the established guys hung on. In a team with few forwards and nobody with his team ethic, pace and power, his omission was as bad as any of the other Fallon, Butler and O Neill stuff. I remember him playing in Portlaoise in the league after 96 AI and he was flying - if anything trying too hard but his quality was obvious. When I think about it I m glad JM wont be getting the gig this time.
Andrew was different as you say but like the rest had quality as well as being rugged. I liked him at 6. Padraig again was class. Ideally a wing forward he spent his time playing junior midfield from a young age. Oldest brother Joe wasn't bad either. Seriously lost footballers
I nearly got frostbite on my c**k at that match, took it out for a slash at the bog and it nearly froze on the way out, it was that cold.
Im sure it would only have caused minor damage
many's the time Joe gardiner marked and maimed me in the winter league .
He could well have done a job for mayo .but he was told the wooly hat had to go.
that was the end of it.
Joe became a farm manager after so he knew he would have to hold on to the woolly hat.
Quote from: ludermor on September 29, 2010, 03:11:18 PM
Im sure it would only have caused minor damage
Well it was another 5 years before it go any real workout to be honest.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 30, 2010, 02:35:50 AM
Quote from: ludermor on September 29, 2010, 03:11:18 PM
Im sure it would only have caused minor damage
Well it was another 5 years before it go any real workout to be honest.
So that would make you 48 now?
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 28, 2010, 11:23:46 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on September 28, 2010, 08:56:32 PM
Garrymore unfahionable ;D U21 B Champions. Beat Claremorris out the gate in the championship,3 points behind Ballintubber with 10mins to go before a harsh sending off. Destroyed by Cross, but on the way up again still can gain promotion to Div 1 with one game left albeit against Catlebar :P.
A plethora of young players coming through with intercounty experience.
Ah yeah but it's the hardest pitch to find in Mayo, that can't be fashionable.
Sure it was very unfasionable for a Mayo club to get to an all ireland club final in the 1980's too ;D
didn't some one compile a lisy a while back with every mayo footballer of recent times and their clubs
anyone with a slightly better memory than me ??
but i do remember
garrymore were never fashionable
dirty yes
fashionable no
Quote from: ludermor on September 30, 2010, 08:53:33 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 30, 2010, 02:35:50 AM
Quote from: ludermor on September 29, 2010, 03:11:18 PM
Im sure it would only have caused minor damage
Well it was another 5 years before it go any real workout to be honest.
So that would make you 48 now?
What kind of maths is that Ludermor, I was 16 in 1996.
JOM is a kilmovee man isn't he?
Anthony McGarry was with the civil service when he played but is a kilfian man.
Farrandeelin mite confirm but is Damian Munnelly from Ardagh? Not sure where the border is back there. Dessie Ruttledge certainly is.
Thought McGarrys were Lacken. Paul who played for the Stephenites is a brother of Anthony ?
Quote from: spuds on October 23, 2010, 10:05:15 AM
Thought McGarrys were Lacken. Paul who played for the Stephenites is a brother of Anthony ?
yup spuds paul and anthony are brothers
Quote from: spuds on October 23, 2010, 10:05:15 AM
Thought McGarrys were Lacken. Paul who played for the Stephenites is a brother of Anthony ?
Yep - Paul's a brother, all from Kilfian.
Some boys the McGarrys, between all the brothers (and I've no idea how many there is) they've won every medal available to them, from Sigersons to Trench cups, National leagues, Connacht inter county medals at all grades, provincial and All Ireland club.
They've won every medal possible for a Mayo footballer at inter county, 3rd level and club - apart from the Senior IC All Ireland obviously, some record for one family.
Am I deluded or did Anthony play for Lacken ?
Quote from: spuds on October 23, 2010, 10:36:15 AM
Am I deluded or did Anthony play for Lacken ?
No idea to be honest
Quote from: spuds on October 23, 2010, 10:36:15 AM
Am I deluded?
- Yes
Quotedid Anthony play for Lacken ?
- Unknown
Quote from: spuds on October 23, 2010, 10:36:15 AM
Am I deluded or did Anthony play for Lacken ?
Yes. Played for Lacken until he went to Dublin. PJ and Billy played for Lacken also - winning at least one league and losing a county senior final to Knockmore. Paul played for Kilfian though before transferring to Ballina.
Just doing a bit of research for the family, was there ever a GAA club in Carracastle?
Fintan Ruddy
Alan Costelloe
Martin Keane Achill
Colm Cafferkey
James Burke
Pat kelly
Brian Moloney
Quote from: Tony Daily on December 23, 2010, 09:49:50 AM
Fintan Ruddy
Alan Costelloe
Martin Keane Achill
Colm Cafferkey
James Burke
Pat kelly
Brian Moloney
Martin Keane? I know he had a few trials but what games did he tog for?
Pat Casey
Paul Doherty
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 23, 2010, 12:16:41 PM
Quote from: Tony Daily on December 23, 2010, 09:49:50 AM
Fintan Ruddy
Alan Costelloe
Martin Keane Achill
Colm Cafferkey
James Burke
Pat kelly
Brian Moloney
Martin Keane? I know he had a few trials but what games did he tog for?
Pat Casey
Paul Doherty
He actually played FBD under Mickey Moran and John Morrison. But no further. If ever there was a case of trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear . . .
Not sure Kilmaine can be considered unfashionable. They were Intermediate finalists in 2008 and semi-finalists last year.
John Varley - The Neale.
Marty Mc
Aido Shea
Breachmhaigh
Quote from: spuds on December 26, 2010, 06:55:56 PM
Marty Mc
Aido Shea
Breachmhaigh
Alan Durkin
Colm Lyons
Seamus O Shea 8)
The nouveau riche, they'd sicken your shite!
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on December 30, 2010, 08:45:20 PM
The nouveau riche, they'd sicken your shite!
Nouveau riche is preferable to Never riche though ;)
Quote from: Tubberman on December 30, 2010, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on December 30, 2010, 08:45:20 PM
The nouveau riche, they'd sicken your shite!
Nouveau riche is preferable to Never riche though ;)
What is it they say? - be nice to people on your way up because you always meet them on the way back down. And that could be quite soon ;)