Money, Dublin and the GAA

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mup

Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:11:48 PM
I am in also in favour of more equal wealth distribution. How to fix this issue is at your individual county board levels which you gain contact though your club pros. Leinster council and Croke park need to be lobbied.

How did Antrim get their recent funding plan approved?

Rather flippant.

We should be lobbying our Club Pro's to ask the Leinster Council not to show preferential treatment to Dublin?

I do despair sometimes.

How would you go about it if its not going to change automatically?

lobby club Pro's or post on GAA forum.

Why should I have to 'go about it'? Is it not something the Leinster Council should be doing anyway?

I can't believe you want people to lobby to be treated equally. How far removed are you from reality?


TheGreatest

The hard truth is they are not going to change it unless sufficient pressure is applied. That's what I am trying to say. Media outcry doesn't seem to be enough for them.

Also see above about delegate votes (11-1), that's why lobbying is required.


Hound

Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 21, 2018, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:11:48 PM
I am in also in favour of more equal wealth distribution. How to fix this issue is at your individual county board levels which you gain contact though your club pros. Leinster council and Croke park need to be lobbied.

How did Antrim get their recent funding plan approved?

Rather flippant.

We should be lobbying our Club Pro's to ask the Leinster Council not to show preferential treatment to Dublin?

I do despair sometimes.

How would you go about it if its not going to change automatically?

lobby club Pro's or post on GAA forum.

You think Dublin GAA got their funding by lobbying club PROs  ::)
An exaggeration of course, but not a million miles away from how it all started.

It's not like Dublin was given a million euro and told to spend it as you like, maybe give it to Clucko and the boys so they can give up their jobs for the year and concentrate on winning Sam.

Dublin GAA came up with a plan for increasing participation of kids in Dublin in GAA, as participation rates in Dublin weren't great.

The basic funding model in the GAA is Here's what we're going to do, here's what we're going to raise ourselves, here's what we'd like as a contribution. I thought that also applied outside Dublin, but maybe it doesn't, it certainly should and you'd be right to kick up if it doesn't. There should be far more made of clubs/counties who come up with such plans and don't get funded. Those stories really are few and far between.

The story of Limerick footballers been treated so shabbily recently was awful, and that should get a lot of airtime to highlight the inequalities.(Although in that case the manager seems to be putting all blame on Limerick County Board rather than the GAA, but I'm sure there'll be more to come)

manfromdelmonte

Quote from: Hound on May 21, 2018, 02:47:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 21, 2018, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:11:48 PM
I am in also in favour of more equal wealth distribution. How to fix this issue is at your individual county board levels which you gain contact though your club pros. Leinster council and Croke park need to be lobbied.

How did Antrim get their recent funding plan approved?

Rather flippant.

We should be lobbying our Club Pro's to ask the Leinster Council not to show preferential treatment to Dublin?

I do despair sometimes.

How would you go about it if its not going to change automatically?

lobby club Pro's or post on GAA forum.

You think Dublin GAA got their funding by lobbying club PROs  ::)
An exaggeration of course, but not a million miles away from how it all started.

It's not like Dublin was given a million euro and told to spend it as you like, maybe give it to Clucko and the boys so they can give up their jobs for the year and concentrate on winning Sam.

Dublin GAA came up with a plan for increasing participation of kids in Dublin in GAA, as participation rates in Dublin weren't great.

The basic funding model in the GAA is Here's what we're going to do, here's what we're going to raise ourselves, here's what we'd like as a contribution. I thought that also applied outside Dublin, but maybe it doesn't, it certainly should and you'd be right to kick up if it doesn't. There should be far more made of clubs/counties who come up with such plans and don't get funded. Those stories really are few and far between.

The story of Limerick footballers been treated so shabbily recently was awful, and that should get a lot of airtime to highlight the inequalities.(Although in that case the manager seems to be putting all blame on Limerick County Board rather than the GAA, but I'm sure there'll be more to come)
Lads in Dublin haven't got a clue how the rest of the GAA world works.
There is no funding for anything!

Orchard park

Arguably centralised funding of every counties mileage, training, medical etc expenses is then only hope I feel to level and perceived imbalances.... that or Kerry group and AIG are sponsors of every county ...

Or both above.... small counties  like leitrim, longford, Roscommon,  Monaghan etc  cannot raise enough to compete  each year ....

Upforit

Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 02:13:40 PM
Also see above about delegate votes (11-1), that's why lobbying is required.

11-1. Who was the 1, surely it was Dublin? All their fair and sportsmanlike fans want out of Croke Park don't they? No it wasn't Dublin but Laois! Then when it's decided that the Dubs need a roadtrip what happens? They draw Laois. Can't be giving them a home game though, they voted against the Dubs. So it's moved to Kilkenny. The year after the Dubs draw Carlow, can't play there so they move it to be played in Laois. The place they wouldn't let the game go ahead the year before. Now it's Wicklow that get through but again it's in Laois.
This means that Dublin still haven't played a championship game away from home since 2006. 12 years. So they're playing a game away from home later in the year. But only 1! Their other 2 games are at home. Just think about it for a secend, every single championship game at home for 12 years. That is crazy. What's makes it worse is that this isn't even the biggest scandal involving Dublin.

Hound

Quote from: Upforit on May 21, 2018, 07:04:00 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 02:13:40 PM
Also see above about delegate votes (11-1), that's why lobbying is required.

11-1. Who was the 1, surely it was Dublin? All their fair and sportsmanlike fans want out of Croke Park don't they? No it wasn't Dublin but Laois! Then when it's decided that the Dubs need a roadtrip what happens? They draw Laois. Can't be giving them a home game though, they voted against the Dubs. So it's moved to Kilkenny. The year after the Dubs draw Carlow, can't play there so they move it to be played in Laois. The place they wouldn't let the game go ahead the year before. Now it's Wicklow that get through but again it's in Laois.
This means that Dublin still haven't played a championship game away from home since 2006. 12 years. So they're playing a game away from home later in the year. But only 1! Their other 2 games are at home. Just think about it for a secend, every single championship game at home for 12 years. That is crazy. What's makes it worse is that this isn't even the biggest scandal involving Dublin.
So it was Dublin that fixed those games for Nowlan Park, Portlaoise and Portlaoise? And Laois were punished for voting against the Dubs? That's very interesting. I knew the Cats would vote with us, but that explains the other 9. They were afraid of being punished.

And Dubs may not get an away game this year in Super 8 either. There's talk that some counties will not be allowed play at home in Super 8s because their home venue is not up to scratch, and not just because they are playing the Dubs. Be interesting to know who those counties are, Kildare maybe?

If Tyrone got through the back door into the Super 8, they'd probably choose Clones anyway, if you take Sean Cav's pre match comments last week that they prefer playing there over Omagh.

Rossfan

Whispers now that the Hyde won't be allowed host the Connacht Final.
That likely means no home game IF we make the last 8.
All it needs is €100k from HQ but sure we're not important enough.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Blowitupref

Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2018, 10:15:01 PM
Whispers now that the Hyde won't be allowed host the Connacht Final.
That likely means no home game IF we make the last 8.
All it needs is €100k from HQ but sure we're not important enough.
It hosted the Connacht final 3 years ago and has got a new pitch since then why won't it be allowed to host a Connacht final now?
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Rossfan

Turnstiles, needs a wall to cut off a bar/ clubhouse, access pathways (and possibly a need to play loads of matches in Castlebar >:(
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Blowitupref

Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2018, 11:26:39 PM
Turnstiles, needs a wall to cut off a bar/ clubhouse, access pathways (and possibly a need to play loads of matches in Castlebar >:(
Those things weren't needed a few years ago sounds like someone at the top is making up rules as they go along?

Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Owenmoresider

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2018, 12:00:02 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2018, 11:26:39 PM
Turnstiles, needs a wall to cut off a bar/ clubhouse, access pathways (and possibly a need to play loads of matches in Castlebar >:(
Those things weren't needed a few years ago sounds like someone at the top is making up rules as they go along?
You can bet on it.

TheGreatest

Quote from: Upforit on May 21, 2018, 07:04:00 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 02:13:40 PM
Also see above about delegate votes (11-1), that's why lobbying is required.

11-1. Who was the 1, surely it was Dublin? All their fair and sportsmanlike fans want out of Croke Park don't they? No it wasn't Dublin but Laois! Then when it's decided that the Dubs need a roadtrip what happens? They draw Laois. Can't be giving them a home game though, they voted against the Dubs. So it's moved to Kilkenny. The year after the Dubs draw Carlow, can't play there so they move it to be played in Laois. The place they wouldn't let the game go ahead the year before. Now it's Wicklow that get through but again it's in Laois.
This means that Dublin still haven't played a championship game away from home since 2006. 12 years. So they're playing a game away from home later in the year. But only 1! Their other 2 games are at home. Just think about it for a secend, every single championship game at home for 12 years. That is crazy. What's makes it worse is that this isn't even the biggest scandal involving Dublin.

I agree, Dublin should play all games outside of Croker until Leinster final, and at least one away game in Super 8s. All Dublin fans would agree with you. The Dublin players would agree with you, unfortunately Leinster council and Croke Park do not.

TheGreatest

http://www.the42.ie/dublin-croke-park-away-1765053-Nov2014/

No vote breakdown

http://www.the42.ie/dublin-croke-park-2087719-May2015/

Leinster GAA chiefs have an agreement with Croke Park on the use of the stadium that means that at least four of the province's senior championship games must be played there every year.

Dublin boss Jim Gavin admits he was unaware of the agreement.

It's an interesting observation, I wasn't aware of that but from the Dublin football team's perspective, we'll play and we've always played where we're told to play.

"We've had seven games on the road this year, all very enjoyable. We started off in Portarlington, Navan, Newbridge, Cork city, Killarney, Castlebar, Clones...they're great times, you get to spend a lot of time with the players, more so than just turning up and going to a game in Croke Park.

"So there's a lot of advantages to playing away but we'll just play where we're told to play by the Leinster Council or otherwise."

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/leinster-ceo-points-to-cost-of-moving-dublin-games-from-croke-park-1.2399333

when only two of the 12 Leinster counties backed the proposal to bring Dublin to a provincial venue.


etc


etc



manfromdelmonte

Quote from: TheGreatest on May 22, 2018, 09:07:26 AM
Quote from: Upforit on May 21, 2018, 07:04:00 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 02:13:40 PM
Also see above about delegate votes (11-1), that's why lobbying is required.

11-1. Who was the 1, surely it was Dublin? All their fair and sportsmanlike fans want out of Croke Park don't they? No it wasn't Dublin but Laois! Then when it's decided that the Dubs need a roadtrip what happens? They draw Laois. Can't be giving them a home game though, they voted against the Dubs. So it's moved to Kilkenny. The year after the Dubs draw Carlow, can't play there so they move it to be played in Laois. The place they wouldn't let the game go ahead the year before. Now it's Wicklow that get through but again it's in Laois.
This means that Dublin still haven't played a championship game away from home since 2006. 12 years. So they're playing a game away from home later in the year. But only 1! Their other 2 games are at home. Just think about it for a secend, every single championship game at home for 12 years. That is crazy. What's makes it worse is that this isn't even the biggest scandal involving Dublin.

I agree, Dublin should play all games outside of Croker until Leinster final, and at least one away game in Super 8s. All Dublin fans would agree with you. The Dublin players would agree with you, unfortunately Leinster council and Croke Park do not.
if there's a funding shortfall in Leinster due to less games in Croker then just reduce Dublin's allocation
problem solved