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I don't know McGeeney and have never met him, but he sorted me (a tyrone man yes) out with a ticket from his own allocation for the 2005 final through a friend who did know him ... an excellent footballer, a legend with the neighbours and a gentleman a far as I'm concerned

Nice one Red! 

Going by all the eulogies here i take it he has also found a cure for cancer,Aids and has brokered a peace settlement in the Middle East??

You only 'take' that because of a basic inability to read and understand what is posted here - I believe the phrase I'm looking for is, 'lack of comprehension'.

To be fair, posts such as yours have been a common sight on threads like this, since I have been on the GAABoard (from August 2002). That means that it lacks originality and dare I say it, the humour that you yourself believes it has. 

Just like to add my thanks to Geezer for many wonderful days. Armagh would not have reached the heights they did without his presence. I would suggest our greatest player.

Interesting to know what Geezer will do now. Suggestions that he may go back to Mullaghbawn - anyone hear rumours of a return to Armagh at another Club? 

It had to end some time and it appears its now. A sad day for Armagh. Don't think they would have won their All-Ireland without him as a player and more importantly an influence on others.

Agree with this on all counts, with the last point here very relevant - Armagh have a lot of young talent, and I would love to have seen Geezer remain in some capacity in the County set up, as he could have instilled in these players the drive, discipline, professionalism and single minded determination that is needed to get to the top. He will leave a huge void.

Make that six out of six!!    2-0 victory over Hartlepool last Saturday and 3-0 last night at Bristol Rovers - both top six sides, and all five goals scored by Sir Tresor Kandol and Jermaine Beckford.

I didn't realise, but Hartlepool have backing from a Norwegian oil crowd and are going well. They had a lot of the play last week, with the difference being the finishing of Kandol and Beckford. These two could prove to be the difference this season!

I see someone has beaten me to the piece that Jonathan Freedland had in today's Guardian. He wrote,

How will this story end? That's what makes it so grimly compelling: none of us knows. Until we do, basic justice demands that we presume the McCanns are wholly innocent. Common decency demands the same. For if they are eventually found guilty, there will be plenty of time for condemnation. But if they are innocent, to presume otherwise is to commit a second crime against people who have already suffered enough.

Couldn't have put it better myself!

Sneaked home by two points tonight against Culloville under the lights - 2-11 to 1-12. That gives us 16 points and I would be surprised - nay, gutted, if we somehow went down with that total. I reckon we're safe! 

Will get a report up tomorrow about what was an enjoyable game, via Young Bennydorano!

I have to say, I find the whole thing a total mystery, which is why I would not be anxious to judge. That said, I find it very unsettling that many here are happy to act as judge and jury, particularly as this judgement is on the basis of the McCanns' social class, and not on any concrete facts.

(Just because you're upper class and posh  )

I have to say, I find the whole thing a total mystery, which is why I would not be anxious to judge. That said, I find it very unsettling that many here are happy to act as judge and jury, particularly as this judgement is on the basis of the McCanns' social class, and not on any concrete facts.

Seriously, what do you mean by that, who is judging them on their class?

A cursory glance on this thread will see consistent references to their social class or status. This appears to be raised by those who are most conviced of their guilt. There are absolutely no facts in the public domain to indicate their guilt, and given their travel today with the authorities' blessing, I would suggest there is none within the investigation itself.

Now why do people here think they are guilty, without these facts? 

And how can someone say they are not guilty with all the facts that is against them..
I for one said there was something suspicious right from the start and for all the arguments that are in favour of the parents there is just as many that can be used against them.
But i don't think anyone here has already convicted the parents and said yes it was defiantly them,Peoples opinions are changing every day and will continue to do so until this is finally resolved
Yes there is a lot of posters who think they are guilty but i can't remember anyone saying that they 100% believe this to be true because no one could know that as yet.
I think there is alot more twists in this yet,but from my research and from everything i have read and saw on TV i have come to the opinion they are involved someway,But its only a opinion and everyone is going to have different views and opinions on this

Sorry Laoislad - you lost me totally there - what I would ask though is for you to list the 'facts' that are against the McCanns here - and by facts against the McCanns, I mean evidence that they have malevolently had something to do with the child's disappearance/death.

Rufus we do have some evidence, it may be circumstantial and it most certainly isn't all of the evidence but you can say we shouldn't make judgements with what we got until you're blue in the face, fact is, people will, it's human nature.  I bet you have your own views on what happened, you can't just say, "I haven't all the evidence, I can't make a judgement, and shut your mind.

I genuinely don't know one way or the other - the more I hear, the more I feel bewildered. I feel enormous sympathy for the parents - I have a child of similar age, so the thought of what they are going through - nightmare stuff!

The police have been far from transparent and the media here and the rest of us are feeding on rumour and contradictory stories to reach our conclusions.

100% correct!

A cursory glance on this thread will see consistent references to their social class or status. This appears to be raised by those who are most conviced of their guilt. There are absolutely no facts in the public domain to indicate their guilt, and given their travel today with the authorities' blessing, I would suggest there is none within the investigation itself.

The references to their class are made by those angry at the attention they are getting when we all know if it was a single mother from housing estate she would be slaughtered by the media.  Can you argue different?

Now why do people here think they are guilty, without these facts?

None of us have all the evidence. 

None of us have any evidence!

A cursory glance on this thread will see consistent references to their social class or status. This appears to be raised by those who are most conviced of their guilt. There are absolutely no facts in the public domain to indicate their guilt, and given their travel today with the authorities' blessing, I would suggest there is none within the investigation itself.

The references to their class are made by those angry at the attention they are getting when we all know if it was a single mother from housing estate she would be slaughtered by the media.  Can you argue different?

Now why do people here think they are guilty, without these facts?

people can and will make judgements. 

And without evidence, that is very wrong!

I have to say, I find the whole thing a total mystery, which is why I would not be anxious to judge. That said, I find it very unsettling that many here are happy to act as judge and jury, particularly as this judgement is on the basis of the McCanns' social class, and not on any concrete facts.

(Just because you're upper class and posh  )

I have to say, I find the whole thing a total mystery, which is why I would not be anxious to judge. That said, I find it very unsettling that many here are happy to act as judge and jury, particularly as this judgement is on the basis of the McCanns' social class, and not on any concrete facts.

Seriously, what do you mean by that, who is judging them on their class?

A cursory glance on this thread will see consistent references to their social class or status. This appears to be raised by those who are most conviced of their guilt. There are absolutely no facts in the public domain to indicate their guilt, and given their travel today with the authorities' blessing, I would suggest there is none within the investigation itself.

Now why do people here think they are guilty, without these facts? 

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5ive Times

Venter the parents have to be the number 1 suspects, in my opinion their story just doesnt add up....... But for me the main thing is their attitude. The father especially looks suspicious, his body language is all wrong and the mother appears to cower beside him. They havent shown any emotion, not once has their been an emotional appeal for the return of their daughter.

The Sunday Times reported today, in an in depth analysis

They (the McCanns) were also advised not to betray any emotion when making public appeals for help, which accounts for the even face which Gerry has presented to the media. Jim Gamble, chief executive of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, told them that if the abductor was watching he or she might take pleasure in the McCanns' distress

5ive Times wrote,

The entire media campaign seems to revolve around the parents and the fact that they are upstanding middle class, middle England types, but the media dont seem to be asking the right questions. Even if the child was abducted, they are to blame. They left her and her siblings alone while they went out for the evening.

I'm at a loss to explain the relevance of this - if the whole issue remains in the public eye, then that is surely a good thing, as a four year old child is still missing. What the press asks the McCanns is largely irrelevant, as they can't answer questions related to the investigation.

I have to say, I find the whole thing a total mystery, which is why I would not be anxious to judge. That said, I find it very unsettling that many here are happy to act as judge and jury, particularly as this judgement is on the basis of the McCanns' social class, and not on any concrete facts.

Our match at home to Culloville was abandoned after barely ten minutes of play, after Alan O'Neill suffered what looked like a neck injury. The injured player was taken to hospital by ambulance. Hopefully it won't be too serious, as I know Alan O'Neill has had neck or back problems in the past. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

For the reord, the score was one each at the time, Culloville taking the lead with a point from a free before the Harps equalised with a Gerard McDonagh point from play.

Desperately sad news.

May The Child Rest In Peace.

Rufus you have me pulling for a sawker team again and I  am watching out for leed's results. I hope they steer clear of the bottom of the table and mount a charge for promotion but I am sure that is a very long shot.

Anyway if nothing else I hope they find an investor with enough clout to bring them back. I would have thought there would be some big shot out there with the money and ambition to awaken a sleeping giant.

Good man Stew.

Regarding the investment, it's a funny one alright. Like yourself, I would have felt sure that Leeds would be an excellent investment opportunity for some heavy hitter - would be relatively cheap and of course the potential is there - i.e. each home game is normally the biggest crowd outside the Premier League.

Maybe the problem though is the current financial situation - I don't know. Or maybe again it's just a provincial thing - the glamour of being associated with a big London Club maybe - as Mark E Smith used to day, 'It's Grim Up North!'. Bernie Ecclestone for instance has chosen to invest in QPR, although long term he seems to have his eye on Arsenal - Leeds never seem to attract the same interest!!