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This reads like SF fan fiction. It has little relationship with reality, though.

Are trying to tag me to avoid a discussion?
I doubt SF agree with me, it doesn't gain them anything. They were hoping for a united ireland out of this. They have had less impact than anyone on this issue.

SF will still be yapping about the border being an issue, it's not.

I have to say, as a Northern Nationalist with FF leanings I've been impressed by Coveney and Veradkar (nearly had to write theIndian there).

i was impressed until this week and now I see what fools we've been. I fell for it as much as Varadkar did but he's further to fall. In saying that I'm happy enough with the outcome. Looks like Brexit is going nowhere.

I don't know what news story you've been following to hold such an out there opinion but forcing the entire UK to stay in the the single market by holding firm on the border issue would be a far better outcome for Ireland than what was on offer on Monday.

This is a win-win scenario for Ireland and the government has played their hand very well so far.

Forcing the UK? Are you in this new Communications Unit?
They weren't even at the negotiations. They didn't force anything.
The UK and the EU fooled us into thinking the border was a major issue and used that to pacify both side of Brexit within the UK.

May pushed the DUP forward while at the same time Junker pushed Varadkar forward.
Both were played, though it remains to be seen how much either knew about it. Seems the DUP were well prepared for the leak while Varadkar wasn't.

Two sides set up against the red herring border issue.
One will be happy they can climb down and save face on their hard Brexit approach and the other powerless as just realizing it now.

Has the DUP not got a point when they say an Irish Sea border will harm east west trade,and most of the North's goods go to the UK?

Not if there is 'regulatory alignment'

The DUP are telling porkies.
There is no way forward for the UK as is

Dodds is talking shite

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/05/pressure-grows-on-theresa-may-as-dup-reveals-brexit-shock

Dodds added: "We will not allow any settlement to be agreed which causes a divergence, politically or economically, of Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK, because to do so would not just be politically damaging but would be economically catastrophic for everyone in Northern Ireland – unionist, nationalist, Brexiter or remainer."

Brexit might contract UK GDP by 10%.
It has already cost DUP voters £400 per annum via higher food prices.

This is crawling back from their position last week which was - all and everything out.

Now they can agree a soft brexit and say - well it could have been worse.

Is any male Dupite not a member of the OO?
It seems like the DUPUDA are bigging up the Dublin bogeyman to divert from the fact that the Brits didn't tell them about Monday's document/wording.

I don't believe the Tories didn't tell them. regardless it would have been the same outcome.

Some hardline Tory Brexiteers put the scuppers on it too apparently, read something in the Times last night that those at "the top of the DUP", including Foster I assume, where content to let it go through but when it was leaked others like Sammy Wilson and some Tories put the pressure on.

They're on board or getting on board.

The best bit of political wizardry i've seen in years.
In just one day all Brexiteers soften, Remainers softened and Varadkar was the pawn that's left looking the fool. Brilliant. That's what ye get when you go to Brussels and 10 Downing street and get giddy at the fact you're there like a tourist. They played him well.

And we fooled ourselves into thinking the north was an issue. After 50 years of Europe and London not giving a single sh1t about the north we all suddenly felt they cared. Fools that we are. This foolery will continue however as we discuss Brexit in our little bubble while decisions are made in London and Brussels.

Any of ye going to the TTM All stars tonight?
Might see ye there.

How did it go?

TTM deserve a lot of credit

Don't know how it is reported in RoI but it appears that Varadkar is never out of the media in NI.  Perhaps he is more interested in his media image and travelling abroad than making any real contact outside the Dublin political bubble.  Not really a man of the people, gives the impression of being aloof.  However, he has given SF a fair working over in the Dail.  In the end, FG election prospects depend on reaching out well beyond their small core vote and I wouldn't be sure that Varadkar has managed to make that broad reach across the country.

I think he has crossed over to some who would never have voted for Enda Kenny but i do think he is losing his base. FGers are educated about how politics suits them, they want a stable politician with a stable leadership. Varadkar doesn't provide that. He wants to be a celebrity politician. That doesn't wash with traditional FGers. I think Simon Coveney is probably more popular in FGs base and he's capable too. He is the one they want in charge.
While Varadkar is swaning it on twitter, Coveney is doing real politic in the Irish Times , Financial Times , RTE debates, the Farmers Journal etc. This is where the FG audience is.

Sean Cavanagh great player and all but what a load of bull in the paper today. He hardly ever tried a leg for the club and now when they get to the Ulster final it is the greatest thing ever! #Loves the glory

His role with Tyrone did have an impact for sure but it's unfair to say he never tried with Moy. It's a lot to ask of any player in the modern game.

Describing the British Security forces as a community organisation? I'm not so sure myself.
I don't think Galbally would welcome the security forces. Although I would have thought the same about Ardboe and Moortown.
I believe the security forces are using the community issue to their advantage to create this sense of normality.
The same way as they use it in schools.
Some schools bring in the PSNI for various talks. In some cases I know parents who have expressed concern and others who have kept their children at home on the said days.

Lookit, nobody is talking about M15 or the SAS here.

Yes, it is PR for the PSNI.
You are right and i accept and understand the opposition. However, the people of Galbally will phone the PSNI if their club house is burnt down by idiots.

Is Dinky a Carmen man or an Omagh man I'm confused?

He's been with Carmen for years but played his youth and at his height with Omagh.

Sadly Brolly has twisted this debate. I doubt if the GAA or and Club would approve or disapprove either way of members joining the PSNI. That's not the question nor is it the intention of anyone in a GAA hat. That's a question for the public.
The question here is about building a relationship with the PSNI as two community organisations. The same as relationships are built with others such as County Councils, schools and other sports clubs.

Security Forces and the GAA?

In recent times I have seen a lot of PR in relation to the PSNI and the Ulster Council. I see men like Ciaran McLaughlin retweeting British security forces recruitment advertisements and posing for photos with senior members of the PSNI.
I know some local clubs in my own area have been toying with the idea of introducing the British Security Forces into club events and in some cases is has been met with opposition. Is the timing right or is it a bit premature.
How do the grass roots members feel? I know in clubs like Derrytresk and Moortown there has been tension on the subject when club proposed or run events facilitated by the Security Forces,  and just yesterday I was chatting to a very disgruntled Ardboe man who wasn't happy that his club Chairman Paddy O'Neill was pictured with a member of the security forces in a PSNI PR exercise.
Is it acceptable? Or is it not?

I think the timing is right but I know it will be difficult for many. It will be baby steps and might do some short term damage. I suppose it's argued for as a long term gain. I would begrudgingly accept it in a limited form but haven't really decided how limited, it hasn't came up in my club. I like the idea of volunteers doing much of the organizing outside grounds too and would not like to see it replaced like the Gardai do in places. Though a casual PSNI presence might be a good introduction.

The truth is, it's happening as you say. It will have positives. I watched McKaigue interview with Off the Ball and they tinkered around this. That's just another indication that it's real and he stressed Slaughtneil were an open and welcoming club and community . I thought it was a very good interview.

All the overcarrying comes from the solo run though - especially if you run very fast.
I'm in favour of keeping it but enforce the steps.

I think the steps rule is enforced as well as it can be. I think if it is to be forced to the letter then it should be increased to 6 steps or tinkered with to allow players to stay on the ball in certain cases.