The Official Golf Thread

[Applesisapples]

The US Open will feature the usual suspects but it would be nice to see someone like Fowler win it.

Fowler will have bother winning a tournament he isn't in (as of yet.)

He'll be there

[Applesisapples]

Mickleson - another one of the new generation of golfer that McIlroy just can't complete with.  Glad he wasn't around when McIlroy was picking up all those handy major titles. 

Would be some craic on here today had McIlroy played the same as Koepka or Oosthuizen in that last round.

Koepka played awful yet still got it round only 2 over. Many others would have slumped to an 80

Koepka choked yesterday. Missing those easy putts had nothing to do with his knee.

Not sure I'd agree that he choked, and as one who has two bad knees and a bad swing I can tell you the knees don't help, that and a handicap of 20 would have seen me struggle too.

[Angelo]

Is McIlroy actually a choker or is he just overrated?

I'd say it's more the latter. I wouldn't have called Lleyton Hewitt a choker for instance, he just broke on the scene at a weak era, won a few slams in that brief weak era and then fell off the radar when better players came along. I would say that's very similar to McIlroy.

If the field was a lot weaker now, McIlroy would be winning majors but the reality is there's probably 10-15 or so better players out there for the past 6/7 years than him and he just has a very sensitive fanbase who have issues dealing with that.

[screenexile]

Is McIlroy actually a choker or is he just overrated?

I'd say it's more the latter. I wouldn't have called Lleyton Hewitt a choker for instance, he just broke on the scene at a weak era, won a few slams in that brief weak era and then fell off the radar when better players came along. I would say that's very similar to McIlroy.

If the field was a lot weaker now, McIlroy would be winning majors but the reality is there's probably 10-15 or so better players out there for the past 6/7 years than him and he just has a very sensitive fanbase who have issues dealing with that.

Based on what?? McIlroy has been in the top 10 golfers in the world continuously for nearly 11 years. Lleyton Hewitt won 2 Grand Slams in a career that is so much more condensed than a golfer's.

At McIlroy's age Mickelson hadn't even won 1 major.

Yes he's going through a slump but people saying he's over rated or finished is just not true.

[Angelo]

Is McIlroy actually a choker or is he just overrated?

I'd say it's more the latter. I wouldn't have called Lleyton Hewitt a choker for instance, he just broke on the scene at a weak era, won a few slams in that brief weak era and then fell off the radar when better players came along. I would say that's very similar to McIlroy.

If the field was a lot weaker now, McIlroy would be winning majors but the reality is there's probably 10-15 or so better players out there for the past 6/7 years than him and he just has a very sensitive fanbase who have issues dealing with that.

Based on what?? McIlroy has been in the top 10 golfers in the world continuously for nearly 11 years. Lleyton Hewitt won 2 Grand Slams in a career that is so much more condensed than a golfer's.

At McIlroy's age Mickelson hadn't even won 1 major.

Yes he's going through a slump but people saying he's over rated or finished is just not true.

Based on the fact that he hasn't won a major in 7 years and probably won't win another one.

Yes. Age is relative.

Hewitt and Roddick won their only slams in a weak era at 20/21. Meanwhile someone like Wawrinka won his only 3 slams in his late 20s/30s.

McIlroy has played his best golf, he was very fortunate that his best golf came at a time when Woods was in decline and the new generation that are about now hadn't really established themselves.

[lurganblue]

No love lost between Koepka and Bryson by the looks of that video doing the rounds

Their Ryder cup team is going to be a bundle of laughs.

[thewobbler]

Can everyone please not respond to Angelo on this thread? He will then bugger off to another thread to wind people up.

There's already more mentions on Leyton Hewitt than Shane Lowry on the golf thread. We don't need this. Nobody needs this.

[Angelo]

Can everyone please not respond to Angelo on this thread? He will then bugger off to another thread to wind people up.

There's already more mentions on Leyton Hewitt than Shane Lowry on the golf thread. We don't need this. Nobody needs this.

The sensitive McIlroy fanboys certainly don't want to hear about it anyway and are adamant they will censor reasonable debate and critiques of his overall ability.

[thebigfella]

Is McIlroy actually a choker or is he just overrated?

I'd say it's more the latter. I wouldn't have called Lleyton Hewitt a choker for instance, he just broke on the scene at a weak era, won a few slams in that brief weak era and then fell off the radar when better players came along. I would say that's very similar to McIlroy.

If the field was a lot weaker now, McIlroy would be winning majors but the reality is there's probably 10-15 or so better players out there for the past 6/7 years than him and he just has a very sensitive fanbase who have issues dealing with that.

Top trolling again. Bar maybe arguing Tiger and Jack, golf majors have never been dominated by a few players like tennis so it's another false equivalence.

It's amazing how that someone who openly admits knowing nothing about golf, clearly doesn't play or play to a decent standard seems to ignore that McIlroy was no. 1 in the world during that past 6/7 years a few times and is currently 9th in the world. So how could there be 10-15 or so better players  Also during that tim he had a few long term injuries.

Keep trying though.

[thebigfella]

Can everyone please not respond to Angelo on this thread? He will then bugger off to another thread to wind people up.

There's already more mentions on Leyton Hewitt than Shane Lowry on the golf thread. We don't need this. Nobody needs this.

The sensitive McIlroy fanboys certainly don't want to hear about it anyway and are adamant they will censor reasonable debate and critiques of his overall ability.

No one is censoring anything, your debate is based upon irrationality rather than any understanding or golf or the facts.

[Angelo]

Is McIlroy actually a choker or is he just overrated?

I'd say it's more the latter. I wouldn't have called Lleyton Hewitt a choker for instance, he just broke on the scene at a weak era, won a few slams in that brief weak era and then fell off the radar when better players came along. I would say that's very similar to McIlroy.

If the field was a lot weaker now, McIlroy would be winning majors but the reality is there's probably 10-15 or so better players out there for the past 6/7 years than him and he just has a very sensitive fanbase who have issues dealing with that.

Top trolling again. Bar maybe arguing Tiger and Jack, golf majors have never been dominated by a few players like tennis so it's another false equivalence.

It's amazing how that someone who openly admits knowing nothing about golf, clearly doesn't play or play to a decent standard seems to ignore that McIlroy was no. 1 in the world during that past 6/7 years a few times and is currently 9th in the world. So how could there be 10-15 or so better players  Also during that tim he had a few long term injuries.

Keep trying though.

Majors are the only currency worth their salt.

He's only missed 1 major through injury in his career.

What I am seeing here is a load of excuses that don't really seem to back up the reason why he won his 4 majors in a weak post-Tiger era.

I think some people are far too emotionally invested in McIlroy to face up to reality. He's done, a new generation has arrived and he's been left behind.

The parallels with Lleyton Hewitt are extraordinary and I think the reason people want to dismiss them is because there is so much basis there to support that. Dare they actually engage that conversation they will find very little of it they are able to rebut.

[Angelo]

Can everyone please not respond to Angelo on this thread? He will then bugger off to another thread to wind people up.

There's already more mentions on Leyton Hewitt than Shane Lowry on the golf thread. We don't need this. Nobody needs this.

The sensitive McIlroy fanboys certainly don't want to hear about it anyway and are adamant they will censor reasonable debate and critiques of his overall ability.

No one is censoring anything, your debate is based upon irrationality rather than any understanding or golf or the facts.

That's nonsense. I deal in subtance, I have shown clearly the parallels with Hewitt, nobody has been able to disprove them because they can't.

What you will notice here is that when people lose the argument they default to attacking me.

[thebigfella]

Is McIlroy actually a choker or is he just overrated?

I'd say it's more the latter. I wouldn't have called Lleyton Hewitt a choker for instance, he just broke on the scene at a weak era, won a few slams in that brief weak era and then fell off the radar when better players came along. I would say that's very similar to McIlroy.

If the field was a lot weaker now, McIlroy would be winning majors but the reality is there's probably 10-15 or so better players out there for the past 6/7 years than him and he just has a very sensitive fanbase who have issues dealing with that.

Top trolling again. Bar maybe arguing Tiger and Jack, golf majors have never been dominated by a few players like tennis so it's another false equivalence.

It's amazing how that someone who openly admits knowing nothing about golf, clearly doesn't play or play to a decent standard seems to ignore that McIlroy was no. 1 in the world during that past 6/7 years a few times and is currently 9th in the world. So how could there be 10-15 or so better players  Also during that tim he had a few long term injuries.

Keep trying though.

Majors are the only currency worth their salt.

He's only missed 1 major through injury in his career.

What I am seeing here is a load of excuses that don't really seem to back up the reason why he won his 4 majors in a weak post-Tiger era.

I think some people are far too emotionally invested in McIlroy to face up to reality. He's done, a new generation has arrived and he's been left behind.

The parallels with Lleyton Hewitt are extraordinary and I think the reason people want to dismiss them is because there is so much basis there to support that. Dare they actually engage that conversation they will find very little of it they are able to rebut.

DJ by that measure is probably sh1te too? What about Speith, is he a busted flush too?

Majors are hard to win in golf, there is at least 50 players in most of the major fields that could win. FFS 115th player in the world won last weekend and was only there because he was a past champion 16 years before.

[thebigfella]

Can everyone please not respond to Angelo on this thread? He will then bugger off to another thread to wind people up.

There's already more mentions on Leyton Hewitt than Shane Lowry on the golf thread. We don't need this. Nobody needs this.

The sensitive McIlroy fanboys certainly don't want to hear about it anyway and are adamant they will censor reasonable debate and critiques of his overall ability.

No one is censoring anything, your debate is based upon irrationality rather than any understanding or golf or the facts.

That's nonsense. I deal in subtance, I have shown clearly the parallels with Hewitt, nobody has been able to disprove them because they can't.

What you will notice here is that when people lose the argument they default to attacking me.

We are back off down the same route as all your other conspiracy theory type fallacies. I'm off to hunt the invisible dragon.

[Angelo]

Is McIlroy actually a choker or is he just overrated?

I'd say it's more the latter. I wouldn't have called Lleyton Hewitt a choker for instance, he just broke on the scene at a weak era, won a few slams in that brief weak era and then fell off the radar when better players came along. I would say that's very similar to McIlroy.

If the field was a lot weaker now, McIlroy would be winning majors but the reality is there's probably 10-15 or so better players out there for the past 6/7 years than him and he just has a very sensitive fanbase who have issues dealing with that.

Top trolling again. Bar maybe arguing Tiger and Jack, golf majors have never been dominated by a few players like tennis so it's another false equivalence.

It's amazing how that someone who openly admits knowing nothing about golf, clearly doesn't play or play to a decent standard seems to ignore that McIlroy was no. 1 in the world during that past 6/7 years a few times and is currently 9th in the world. So how could there be 10-15 or so better players  Also during that tim he had a few long term injuries.

Keep trying though.

Majors are the only currency worth their salt.

He's only missed 1 major through injury in his career.

What I am seeing here is a load of excuses that don't really seem to back up the reason why he won his 4 majors in a weak post-Tiger era.

I think some people are far too emotionally invested in McIlroy to face up to reality. He's done, a new generation has arrived and he's been left behind.

The parallels with Lleyton Hewitt are extraordinary and I think the reason people want to dismiss them is because there is so much basis there to support that. Dare they actually engage that conversation they will find very little of it they are able to rebut.

DJ by that measure is probably sh1te too? What about Speith, is he a busted flush too?

Majors are hard to win in golf, there is at least 50 players in most of the major fields that could win. FFS 115th player in the world won last weekend and was only there because he was a past champion 16 years before.

DJ and Spieth have won 5 major collectively since McIlroy last won one, these are the type of players McIlroy can no longer compete with.