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#1
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
May 25, 2021, 07:54:54 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 25, 2021, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: MC on May 25, 2021, 04:41:36 PM
Always thought Meyler was very good but the role he has been given under Harte and now D&L doesn't allow him to shine - he does a lot of unseen work.
The only thing I think he needs to improve on is keeping out of any daft verbals - we conceded a goal against Dublin with a quick line ball whilst he was distracted with some nonsense.
Speaks volumes that Harte and now D&L obviously rate him.

We seem to have a bit of a problem in the past couple of years of having a lot of frees brought in for dissent. Now I can understand the frustration sometimes about it. Rory Brennan was carrying the ball out on Saturday and must have been fouled about 3 times and was then pulled for overcarrying, he was quite understandably frustrating but let Gough know about it and he duly brought it in. It probably happens two or three times a game with us.

I think Gough has a real set against us at this point, when you consider some of the fouling he let go on out the pitch and then the penalty he gave against Burns..... I'm not saying it wasn't a penalty but it was certainly of the very soft variety and quite out of kilter in what he was allowing happen out the pitch. There's been a number of games now where he has tended to be a lot harsher on Tyrone in the tackling department than the opposition.

Gough wasn't as bad as McQuillan but he still wasn't great. Coldrick this week so don't be expecting much better.
Wasn't much talk about the disallowed goal - good ball from Burns to pick out Sludden. Was Donaghy definitely in the square when the ball was kicked - not so sure from one of the angles.

I'd say Donaghy probably was just inside but the camera angles didn't seem to be conclusive.

Yeah probably one of Burns better moments. I actually think Burns is a decent player but on his recent performances he hasn't done enough to start and he's not an intercounty midfielder.

Sludden had a good impact off the bench I thought, was very busy and picked up some good positions.
#2
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
May 25, 2021, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: MC on May 25, 2021, 04:41:36 PM
Always thought Meyler was very good but the role he has been given under Harte and now D&L doesn't allow him to shine - he does a lot of unseen work.
The only thing I think he needs to improve on is keeping out of any daft verbals - we conceded a goal against Dublin with a quick line ball whilst he was distracted with some nonsense.
Speaks volumes that Harte and now D&L obviously rate him.

We seem to have a bit of a problem in the past couple of years of having a lot of frees brought in for dissent. Now I can understand the frustration sometimes about it. Rory Brennan was carrying the ball out on Saturday and must have been fouled about 3 times and was then pulled for overcarrying, he was quite understandably frustrating but let Gough know about it and he duly brought it in. It probably happens two or three times a game with us.

I think Gough has a real set against us at this point, when you consider some of the fouling he let go on out the pitch and then the penalty he gave against Burns..... I'm not saying it wasn't a penalty but it was certainly of the very soft variety and quite out of kilter in what he was allowing happen out the pitch. There's been a number of games now where he has tended to be a lot harsher on Tyrone in the tackling department than the opposition.

#3
General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
May 25, 2021, 06:02:14 PM
Quote from: Franko on May 25, 2021, 05:51:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 05:13:20 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 25, 2021, 04:52:41 PM
It's a fact that Rory has been in the top 10 golfers in the world for the last 10 years.

Majors have far more currency than rankings.

I don't take much pride in where Martin Breheny puts us at the end of each year but I do in trophies.

They do - and hence, this is accounted for in that they are much more heavily weighted in terms of World Ranking points.

But the fact remains and cannot be disputed that McIlroy is still a top 10 golfer and has finished as such in 11 out of the past 12 years.

So to state as 'fact' that there's 10-15 better players out there than him over the past 6/7 years just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

There may or may not be something in the rest of what you are saying.

It may be based in 'evidence' and 'parallels' but at the end of the day, it's only a prediction.

Only time will tell if you are correct.

So I don't really see why you keep bleating on about it.

Majors are the only currency worth talking about. I doubt players take much pride in their rankings if they are not winning the major ones.

McIlroy hasn't won one in 7 years.

We will see. I just think the heightened sensitivity over criticism of McIlroy on here is embarrassing when the criticism is completely justified.
#4
General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
May 25, 2021, 05:13:20 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 25, 2021, 04:52:41 PM
It's a fact that Rory has been in the top 10 golfers in the world for the last 10 years.

Majors have far more currency than rankings.

I don't take much pride in where Martin Breheny puts us at the end of each year but I do in trophies.
#5
Quote from: thebigfella on May 25, 2021, 04:28:20 PM


You have zero knowledge on golf and how difficult it is to win a normal tour event let alone a Major - THESE ARE THE FACTS.

You criticism is based on false equivalences and manifestation of your personal bias's towards him.

That's not a fact Big Man. That's your opinion.

It's a fact McIlroy is 7 years without a major.
It's a fact that he won his majors in the post Tiger era dominance
It's a fact he has been left behind by the emerging generation (there's been at least 3 multiple major winners since McIlroy won his last and that will likely increase)

My criticisms are based on fact and factual parallels.

Funnily enough you have done exactly what I called out. You've attacked me and my points and criticism (which have been substantiated) with opinions and have offered nothing that actually backs up your argument whatsoever.

And you have the temerity to accuse me of manifestation and person bias? Please tell me you can see the irony of you throwing such an accusation about when my posts are backed up by very logical and factual incidents whereas you are trying to put your opinion and fanboy tendencies as points of order.

#6
General discussion / The Rory McIlroy Super Fan
May 25, 2021, 04:20:04 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 25, 2021, 03:54:31 PM
Yet you keep going on. Youve made your point about Rory/Hewitt several times, how bout you now leave it so that when we tip in here we get golf updates rather than you rambling and pissing everyone off?

Oh right.

I should leave that because a few posters act like 8 year olds when you criticise Rory McIlroy.

I'm entitled to make my points here, maybe you and other posters need to stop being so emotional when McIlroy is justly criticised.

Maybe rename the thread "The Rory McIlroy Superfan Thread - CRITICISM NOT WELCOME".
#7
General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
May 25, 2021, 03:16:30 PM
Quote from: Boycey on May 25, 2021, 03:12:20 PM
What's the point lads? I've said before there is no evidence on this forum of Angelo taking anyone's else opinion onboard ever... on anything.

Just give him a wide berth.....

I take facts over opinions.

If you can construct a good response and substantiate then of course I'll consider but too many of you are far too sensitive to having your views challenged and when you can't frame a decent repsonse find it easier to play the man than play the ball.

I'm well prepared to have what I've said on McIlroy challenged but most of the responses have been attacks rather than any sort of constructive or informed posts.
#8
General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
May 25, 2021, 02:43:21 PM
Lleyton Hewitt had 2 slams at the age of 21, never won one after that.

Look at that Clare hurling team that won the AI with a team full of u21 players.

Plenty of people come up at just the right time and fill their boots. McIlroy was one of those, he came in with golf was at a poor enough era with the decline of Woods who had dominated the sport.

Look at the guys who were winning majors around then - Schwartznel, Day, Scott, Kaymer, Clarke, Dufner, Bradley, Bubba etc.

McIlroy did well when that was the best competition but has found his current rivals just too good for him. He was touted to dominate the sport but has been left behind by the peloton since.
#9
General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
May 25, 2021, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 25, 2021, 01:49:22 PM
McIlroy playing his best beats all of them when they're playing their best. He just can't put the rounds together in the one tournament. I do think there is a bit of choking going on during the majors. Still Ireland's best sportsman all the same. I think he is a nice fella for being the global superstar that he is.

That's a bit like saying if Ger Cavlan played to his best he was the best footballer in Tyrone.

Consistency is part of greatness, McIlroy doesn't have the full package and is really struggling to contend with the current generation.
#10
General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
May 25, 2021, 01:14:27 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 25, 2021, 01:02:04 PM
But the last one was over 3 years ago so they're clearly finished!

Not really. I think they are more likely to add to their majors haul than McIlroy. They won their majors in a tougher era too.
#11
Quote from: NAG1 on May 25, 2021, 12:55:22 PM
Is the Howe thing actually happening and if so why has it not been done before now considering he is available?

Is he waiting on one of the premiership jobs? He would be a good fit for the CP job when you consider it.

Apparently he's been waiting for Bournemouth backroom staff and their involvement in the playoffs has been the reason why that has been delayed.

The media seem fairly certain he will be appointed this week.
#12
General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
May 25, 2021, 12:55:57 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 25, 2021, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 12:50:04 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on May 25, 2021, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on May 25, 2021, 12:09:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on May 25, 2021, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 11:37:03 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 25, 2021, 11:35:12 AM
Can everyone please not respond to Angelo on this thread? He will then bugger off to another thread to wind people up.

There's already more mentions on Leyton Hewitt than Shane Lowry on the golf thread. We don't need this. Nobody needs this.

The sensitive McIlroy fanboys certainly don't want to hear about it anyway and are adamant they will censor reasonable debate and critiques of his overall ability.

No one is censoring anything, your debate is based upon irrationality rather than any understanding or golf or the facts.

That's nonsense. I deal in subtance, I have shown clearly the parallels with Hewitt, nobody has been able to disprove them because they can't.

What you will notice here is that when people lose the argument they default to attacking me.

We are back off down the same route as all your other conspiracy theory type fallacies. I'm off to hunt the invisible dragon.

That's an inane post because you can't tackle the argument.

Stick to argument, put some strong substantiated points behind your view - the issue is that there are none available to rebut the Hewitt and McIlroy career trajectory analogy.


It's a false equivalence hence why I'm off chasing the invisible dragon.

It's not a false equivalence. The parallels are all there.

- Both burst on the scene in a weak era where the game had been dominated by a major figure/figures (Woods and Sampras)
- Both made hay in their formative years (Hewitt with two slams before 22, McIlroy with 4 majors before 25)
- Both were tipped to dominate the sport for years
- Both were then upstaged by an emerging generation when they should have been in their prime (Federer, Nadal, Djokovic -  Spieth, Koepka, Johnson)
- Both never won a major/slam again

That's all factual.

How about the fact Leyton Hewitt is currently retired and McIlroy has another 15 years of a career to go? He literally just won a tournament a couple of weeks ago your argument is nonsense.

Koepka & Spieth haven't won a slam in ages too are they Leyton Hewitt also?

Koepka and Spieth have actually won 7 majors collectively since McIlroy last won one.
#13
General discussion / Re: Euro 20/21
May 25, 2021, 12:51:12 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 25, 2021, 12:44:07 PM
What happened Enrique at Real?

Have heard various things but nothing concrete

He played for Real and felt he was never truly appreciated then joined Barca direct from them after his contract ran out. Became Barca captain later on and clearly carries a chip on his shoulder.
#14
General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
May 25, 2021, 12:50:04 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on May 25, 2021, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on May 25, 2021, 12:09:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on May 25, 2021, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 11:37:03 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 25, 2021, 11:35:12 AM
Can everyone please not respond to Angelo on this thread? He will then bugger off to another thread to wind people up.

There's already more mentions on Leyton Hewitt than Shane Lowry on the golf thread. We don't need this. Nobody needs this.

The sensitive McIlroy fanboys certainly don't want to hear about it anyway and are adamant they will censor reasonable debate and critiques of his overall ability.

No one is censoring anything, your debate is based upon irrationality rather than any understanding or golf or the facts.

That's nonsense. I deal in subtance, I have shown clearly the parallels with Hewitt, nobody has been able to disprove them because they can't.

What you will notice here is that when people lose the argument they default to attacking me.

We are back off down the same route as all your other conspiracy theory type fallacies. I'm off to hunt the invisible dragon.

That's an inane post because you can't tackle the argument.

Stick to argument, put some strong substantiated points behind your view - the issue is that there are none available to rebut the Hewitt and McIlroy career trajectory analogy.


It's a false equivalence hence why I'm off chasing the invisible dragon.

It's not a false equivalence. The parallels are all there.

- Both burst on the scene in a weak era where the game had been dominated by a major figure/figures (Woods and Sampras)
- Both made hay in their formative years (Hewitt with two slams before 22, McIlroy with 4 majors before 25)
- Both were tipped to dominate the sport for years
- Both were then upstaged by an emerging generation when they should have been in their prime (Federer, Nadal, Djokovic -  Spieth, Koepka, Johnson)
- Both never won a major/slam again

That's all factual.

#15
General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
May 25, 2021, 12:44:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 25, 2021, 12:34:38 PM
Great, another thread ruined by fuckface.


1. Personal abuse.
    Personal abuse is one of the most common problems on internet boards. Known sometimes as 'playing the man', whether foul language is used or not, this behaviour is
    not allowed.
    e.g. Calling someone a fat fool is the same as calling someone something more vulgar. This rule applies even in situations where another user has breached this, or
    another rule. Retaliation is still a breach of the rule.
   

When is the mod finally going to ban this guy?

His insults, not just to me, but other posters too are incessant. He is abusive across a whole number of threads and rarely contributes anything other than his snide, igorant and idiotic remarks.

It seems rules are only for some posters on here thouhg.

I had one poster wish death on me the other day and the moderators just deleted his post and let him continue posting on like he it never happened.