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Just a thread to gauge the general mood in the county around this pandemic. I know the enthusiasm was high when training and games returned in July but has it waned? Are people enjoying being involved or is the uncertainty, form filling and protocols draining your energy? The latest behind closed doors directive only dilutes the impact further. The uncertainty and flipflopping about attending childrens games is also unresolved.

Basically we should...
1.Pack it in for 2020?
Or
2. Plough on?

Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on August 21, 2020, 01:58:49 PM
Just a thread to gauge the general mood in the county around this pandemic. I know the enthusiasm was high when training and games returned in July but has it wained? Are people enjoying being involved or is the uncertainty, form filling and protocols draining your energy? The latest behind closed doors directive only dilutes the impact further. The uncertainty and flipflopping about attending childrens games is also unresolved.

Basically we should...
1.Pack it in for 2020?
Or
2. Plough on?

It has completely waned in my opinion. I'm not involved in juvenile teams so can't offer a view but I do think the whole momentum that had been generated was completely knocked back by the 16 day lockdown in Laois. I can only guess that the lower grade championships will lack all interest. Personally, I don't think it's fair relegating any club this year on the basis of this truncated, rushed job of a championship (hurling and football).

If anything it will get worse before it gets better. The big fear for the medical profession is from October onwards with the winter flu and weather change etc.

It will end up being a rushed campaign and if there was promotion/relegation expect plenty of trouble.

I feel like the enthusiasm is gone too especially now with no supporters. Juvenile coaches are being left in a horrible limbo. All these people are trying to do the right thing and help out with their community teams but the likes of Stephen Donnelly doesnt seem to have any awareness of child protection or best practice. The GAA has worked very hard for years to bring their coaching and child welfare to a high standard and his statements are leaving coaches very unsure.

Ive added a poll as I can see a few hundred views on the thread and not everyone wants to comment.

Madness to think we can keep going in my opinion. This virus is far from beaten. Schools open & poorer weather are going to have a major effect on the ability to control outbreaks.
Juvenile mentors must be drove demented at this stage! We are going to see outbreaks in schools- there are little more then a handful of secondary schools in the county. The knock on is obvious.
Again, I hope I am wrong!

Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 21, 2020, 08:27:58 PM
Madness to think we can keep going in my opinion. This virus is far from beaten. Schools open & poorer weather are going to have a major effect on the ability to control outbreaks.
Juvenile mentors must be drove demented at this stage! We are going to see outbreaks in schools- there are little more then a handful of secondary schools in the county. The knock on is obvious.
Again, I hope I am wrong!

It's interesting that many follow government guidance on everything yet disagree on schools. There is a risk that return to schools will increase the spread of the virus , but how long can we keep children away from education and socialisation. What about those vulnerable children who at least get some respite and monitoring by professionals in schools?
Full Home schooling will preferentially affect "poorer" children , and poverty will increase as the result of virus restrictions.
We must invest heavily in ensuring as safe an environment as possible for pupils and staff, and monitor it closely, but I genuinely think that we have to try to get schools open urgently for education and social reasons. The loss of a year's school for a whole generation seems to be a much bigger risk to society than the direct effects of Covid 19.

Can yee piss and moan somewhere else,ask any club player even my own club are raring to go supporters or no supporters at least it will give us something to talk about,,,so piss of the moaners

Hi 6th Sam.
I'm certainly not arguing against schools reopening and fully understand why they should reopen.
You say there is a risk that return to school will increase spread. I think it's more than a risk, it's a guarantee. Ultimately we can do without competitive sport. Education & economics will take precedence and competitive sport will be among the areas to be sacrificed as outbreaks rise. That's my opinion.

Quote from: town1980 on August 22, 2020, 12:21:59 AM
Can yee piss and moan somewhere else,ask any club player even my own club are raring to go supporters or no supporters at least it will give us something to talk about,,,so piss of the moaners

In fairness the thread was started to gauge opinion. You can give yours without trying to influence others.

There has been a genuine buzz around club since Return to Play. Record turnouts at adult level, and pretty much a full book of locals at all juvenile levels.

Obviously this could take a tanking at any minute with a change of policy. But for now, we are making hay.

It's been great regard player numbers, makes you realise how important it is in our society.

Quote from: town1980 on August 22, 2020, 12:21:59 AM
Can yee piss and moan somewhere else,ask any club player even my own club are raring to go supporters or no supporters at least it will give us something to talk about,,,so piss of the moaners

It's just people's opinions. Who are to tell anyone to piss off?
I'm delighted your club are raring to go but I know a young lad sitting at home tonight heartbroken because he can't tog out for his club in the senior championship this week because of Covid and the associated risks for his family.

I'm sure then the poor chap hasn't been training and of course I respect that sort of decision ,my point being here is we don't need to be down the whole time,,I'm gutted for any player making the decision but his obviously not involved with his panel so both him and the team are prepared for it .?

Quote from: town1980 on August 23, 2020, 11:49:18 PM
I'm sure then the poor chap hasn't been training and of course I respect that sort of decision ,my point being here is we don't need to be down the whole time,,I'm gutted for any player making the decision but his obviously not involved with his panel so both him and the team are prepared for it .?

You're wrong. Chap has trained as much as anyone, mostly on his own, then started to join non contact club sessions, hoping that he'd be in a position to play come championship time. But with the numbers how they are, it's not safe for him to play.

Quote from: The PRO on August 23, 2020, 07:51:39 PM

Quote from: town1980 on August 22, 2020, 12:21:59 AM
Can yee piss and moan somewhere else,ask any club player even my own club are raring to go supporters or no supporters at least it will give us something to talk about,,,so piss of the moaners

It's just people's opinions. Who are to tell anyone to piss off?
I'm delighted your club are raring to go but I know a young lad sitting at home tonight heartbroken because he can't tog out for his club in the senior championship this week because of Covid and the associated risks for his family.

Unfortunately there will always be people unable to play each year for many different reasons,  however we must continue on.  That does not make light of this situation, however waiting for a vaccine to resume "normality" could be a long wait.

Quote from: BallyroanAbu on August 24, 2020, 09:29:08 AM

Quote from: The PRO on August 23, 2020, 07:51:39 PM

Quote from: town1980 on August 22, 2020, 12:21:59 AM
Can yee piss and moan somewhere else,ask any club player even my own club are raring to go supporters or no supporters at least it will give us something to talk about,,,so piss of the moaners

It's just people's opinions. Who are to tell anyone to piss off?
I'm delighted your club are raring to go but I know a young lad sitting at home tonight heartbroken because he can't tog out for his club in the senior championship this week because of Covid and the associated risks for his family.

Unfortunately there will always be people unable to play each year for many different reasons,  however we must continue on.  That does not make light of this situation, however waiting for a vaccine to resume "normality" could be a long wait.

No problem with that. Perfectly valid, well made point.
However, someone coming on here and telling people who express an equally valid opinion to piss off is just not on. This is a serious setback, not just to the GAA or sport, but to society in general.

The attitude in my parts is probably 80% don't care and are just going through the motions just to be seen as being compliant, the other 20% are hiding it out in their bunkers.

Personally speaking, the more these restrictions are heaped on the longer the pain is. Schools going back this week present a fantastic opportunity for rushing this virus through the population and thus getting out the other side. Like every issue in Ireland we've an uncanny knack of kicking the can down the road.

Now that we understand alot about this virus, it's empirical that we shield our vulnerable folk and let it run its course outside of this grouping. 

Quote from: G@@ on August 31, 2020, 12:08:38 AM
The attitude in my parts is probably 80% don't care and are just going through the motions just to be seen as being compliant, the other 20% are hiding it out in their bunkers.

Personally speaking, the more these restrictions are heaped on the longer the pain is. Schools going back this week present a fantastic opportunity for rushing this virus through the population and thus getting out the other side. Like every issue in Ireland we've an uncanny knack of kicking the can down the road.

Now that we understand alot about this virus, it's empirical that we shield our vulnerable folk and let it run its course outside of this grouping.

Contradicting yourself. Let the virus rush through the population but also protest the vulnerable. How do you propose we do that? By the way, herd immunity takes years and years.

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 31, 2020, 09:16:53 AM
Contradicting yourself. Let the virus rush through the population but also protest the vulnerable. How do you propose we do that? By the way, herd immunity takes years and years.

We're all aware of the annual winter flu, right? Basically that's one of the family of coronaviruses that runs through the population typically every winter. It is seasonal because it takes a "season" (three months) to rush through the population. It too kills hundreds of elderly and vulnerable each year, we don't bat an eyelid about it.
These coronaviruses or winter flus spread rapidly through our winter because we are indoors and congregating closer together during the long winter nights when our immune systems are slightly lower. These common coronaviruses also mutate rapidly which is why every few years a new strain of one of these coronaviruses comes around. Some strains are worse than others - which is why you will hear medical professionals speak about a "bad" flu season.

Covid 19 is a new or "novel" member of Coronavirus. There is the D and G variant of it. Both affect the human body in quite a similar way to a bad flu. The newer strain of the two is in the european and american populations and is more virilant or easier spread than the older first discovered asian variant. Viruses by their nature mutate as they move through the population, and even though Covid 19 is a relatively stable virus (says Luke O'Neill about the mapping of the virus makeup) there are signs that a subtle mutation in recent times has lead to a less fatal virus (thankfully).

So, now that we know alot more about Covid-19 its time to ask those working with the elderly and vulnerable to take caution while the rest of the population "gets on with it". There are 8,000+ recovered healthcare workers who are now immune, and these workers should be strategically placed to work with vulnerable and elderly people - where feasible.

The only thing that will take years and years is a proper tested and trusted vaccine (which is basically artificial herd immunity). Otherwise watch the next four years of your life slip away to ridiculous measures that are not going to prevent much at all from this virus.

Can you show some established/recognised literature that tells us these healthcare workers are now immune ? And can't (at the very least) be carriers of the virus?

Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 01, 2020, 10:45:30 PM
Can you show some established/recognised literature that tells us these healthcare workers are now immune ? And can't (at the very least) be carriers of the virus?

https://www.thejournal.ie/immunity-hse-tony-holohan-healthcare-staff-covid-coronavirus-5110983-Jun2020/

Have you actually read that article? Never mind that it's 3 months old. If that's the type of information you are basing this opinion on I sincerely hope you aren't a position to convince others

Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 02, 2020, 01:02:43 AM
Have you actually read that article? Never mind that it's 3 months old. If that's the type of information you are basing this opinion on I sincerely hope you aren't a position to convince others

Ok, you win. Let's lock up the country until a vaccine is found.

I sincerely hope that you've still got your job to return to in four years time.

Let's park this conversation and see how it all plays out. The "experts" are *united* on this and know what is best for everyone.  ::)

Calm it down there like a good lad. I didn't say any of those things.
I find it both laughable and frightening that you can throw around remarks like you did, put forward that article as "proof" of your comments and then throw a big strop when questioned about it.
You remind me a little of Gemma O' D!

For the record, you claimed that;
" There are 8,000+ recovered healthcare workers who are now immune, and these workers should be strategically placed to work with vulnerable and elderly people - where feasible."

Not alone is the immunity totally debated still to this day, but you put forward a 3 month old article to argue that this immunity be the basis of care for the most vulnerable in society. You really should reed beyond the clickbait headings!

In case you haven't read the article, below are selected quotes

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"While the exact nature of immunity conferred on those who have recovered from the virus remains unclear, the HSE is telling staff that they can be "considered immune for 3 months from onset of symptoms".

" Health officials here have previously warned that levels of Covid-19 antibodies in the population are very low – between 1% and 5%.

This would mean that even if there is some immunity after recovering from Covid-19, very few people would have it. "

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Questioning throwaway remarks like the one you made does not equate to supporting any lock downs (never mind 4 year ones). It certainly doesn't mean I am not concerned about my job or the employment situation in general.
I happen to feel that GAA is a bit of a luxury at this time when we are trying to make sure other important things resume (you know things like schools etc!). The fewer unnecessary interactions, the greater the chance these things have of succeeding.
We can all disagree on what constitutes unnecessary interactions . That is fine.
But don't throw around dangerous remarks and then turn into a 7 year old girl when questioned about them.

Sporting activity is a big part of life in many schools and, I would say, is an important part of a child's development.

I agree with that Burdizzo. I also feel that schools can function without them, and that schools are a higher priority than competitive sport at this moment.
But I am of the opinion that inter school competitions are impossible at the moment, and are unlikely to happen before next Spring.
Reopening schools is going to be a very very delicate matter over the next number of weeks & months. It has huge implications for getting our economy moving again.
I have no problem with differing opinions on the matter!

If there can be matches between clubs, then surely there can be matches between schools, since virtually all schools' players will be club players, also?

I wouldn't have thought so. But I don't have kids of school going age, so maybe somebody else can enlighten us?

How will they get there? On a bus? What size bus will be needed?
Will they go directly home afterwards to have a shower & change or will they go back to class in their wet & sweaty gear?
If they are trying to keep groups in class/year pods in schools, how does it make sense to mix between these pods to go off & play a match against other schools?

I'm actually told the GAA has just said there'll be no schools' matches until after Christmas, at least.

Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2020, 10:30:28 PM
I'm actually told the GAA has just said there'll be no schools' matches until after Christmas, at least.

Which likely means February/March at the earliest.

Sensible decision but I'd be hopeful that we might have some inter-school competition then.

Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2020, 10:30:28 PM
I'm actually told the GAA has just said there'll be no schools' matches until after Christmas, at least.

Yes it will be at least after Christmas before there is any form of schools games for any activity, not just GAA. There is a huge lot of parents who were already concerned for sending their kids back to school as it is under these so called controlled measures. There would be absolute uproar ip Kid A complained that he or she had to sit beside Kid B who spent the morning playing/tackling someone in a schools football/hurling/rugby match etc...

Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 02, 2020, 10:27:47 AM
Calm it down there like a good lad. I didn't say any of those things.
I find it both laughable and frightening that you can throw around remarks like you did, put forward that article as "proof" of your comments and then throw a big strop when questioned about it.
You remind me a little of Gemma O' D!

Didn't take long for the personal insults to come forth, now did it? Who is Gemma?

Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 02, 2020, 10:27:47 AM
For the record, you claimed that;
" There are 8,000+ recovered healthcare workers who are now immune, and these workers should be strategically placed to work with vulnerable and elderly people - where feasible."

Not alone is the immunity totally debated still to this day, but you put forward a 3 month old article to argue that this immunity be the basis of care for the most vulnerable in society. You really should reed beyond the clickbait headings!

Immunity is debated where? Do you even have one iota of what immunity is? You get the virus, you either kill it or it kills you. If you kill the virus, which 99.96% of people who get this virus do (including plenty of 80+ year olds - ask any of your local county care nurses) your - wait for it - immune system builds up antibodies and t-cells to fight the *same* infection again. That's how your immune system works and how every human, animal and insect survives on this third rock from the sun.

Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 02, 2020, 10:27:47 AM
In case you haven't read the article, below are selected quotes

———————————————
"While the exact nature of immunity conferred on those who have recovered from the virus remains unclear, the HSE is telling staff that they can be "considered immune for 3 months from onset of symptoms".

" Health officials here have previously warned that levels of Covid-19 antibodies in the population are very low – between 1% and 5%.

This would mean that even if there is some immunity after recovering from Covid-19, very few people would have it. "

————————————————

The first line: It's one bold statement isn't it - for the CMO/HSE to be telling frontline healthcare staff that they're immune for *at least* three months following symptoms.
The last two lines are irrelevant as it relates to the levels of virus recoveries in the community - not healthcare staff. As you say - clickbait scaremongering.

The claim made by the CMO and the HSE is made for the frontline healthcare staff. They're obviously confident in that assertation about immunity for healthcare staff considering that they are going into the very sphere of dealing with the virus face-to-face.

Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 02, 2020, 10:27:47 AM
Questioning throwaway remarks like the one you made does not equate to supporting any lock downs (never mind 4 year ones). It certainly doesn't mean I am not concerned about my job or the employment situation in general.
I happen to feel that GAA is a bit of a luxury at this time when we are trying to make sure other important things resume (you know things like schools etc!). The fewer unnecessary interactions, the greater the chance these things have of succeeding.
We can all disagree on what constitutes unnecessary interactions . That is fine.

They are not throw-away remarks - stop trying to portray me as some sort of "granny-killer" because I think the political decisions taken have been absurd - especially since the beginning of June. Take a look at what is happening around you, the country and indeed more than half the world is headed for an economic depression, one which we cannot emigrate from this time round. Is this worth it all? Really?

Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 02, 2020, 10:27:47 AM
But don't throw around dangerous remarks and then turn into a 7 year old girl when questioned about them.

I find your comment sexist and ageist. Well done.

Quote from: ottoman on September 03, 2020, 09:14:43 AM

Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2020, 10:30:28 PM
I'm actually told the GAA has just said there'll be no schools' matches until after Christmas, at least.

Yes it will be at least after Christmas before there is any form of schools games for any activity, not just GAA. There is a huge lot of parents who were already concerned for sending their kids back to school as it is under these so called controlled measures. There would be absolute uproar ip Kid A complained that he or she had to sit beside Kid B who spent the morning playing/tackling someone in a schools football/hurling/rugby match etc...

Not a huge amount. A recent survey concluded that 33% were somewhat concerned - the other 66% probably threw a party on the morning of September 1st - I heard anecdotal accounts of parents going to the local hotel/cafe/restaurant to order the full Irish breakfast in celebration. Too right, the audacity of the state expecting parents to home-school kids during May/June was a disgrace. They should have been back then. If Kid A's mommy/doddy has an issue with their kid sitting beside Kid B then it's not the right time for Kid A to return to school and mommy/doddy should ensure that they provide the education - one would think they'd be almost experts at this stage considering their stint from mid-March to June.

A lot of bluster there G@@.
Hole & digging come to mind. To repeat, the article you quoted says literally nothing! It's 3 months old, published by a rag and has a textbook clickbait headline. Nowhere does the CMO say that frontline staff are immune. The article basically says: they might have, for a while, we are not sure!
I could sit down and take your reply quote by quote... but frankly I'm not arsed!

Do I know what immunity is? No never heard of it!
But these guys probably do! Ever heard of them?
www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/immunity-passports-in-the-context-of-covid-19#:~:text=There%20is%20currently%20no%20evidence,multi%2Dstep%20process.

Granted, the article is from April 20, but it still stands as their latest position (according to this article from last week- www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-52446965).
Open to correction on this, but it's the latest position I could find. Unless of course The Sun or The Guardian or Karen from Facebook have contradicted this position and I'm not aware of it?

Immunity will no doubt turn out to be a key player in the fight to bring Covid 19 under control. It does not appear (to my admittedly untrained eye) that the scientific evidence currently suggests that it is safe to use it as a means of attack right now. 

Finally, you find my comments sexist and ageist? Well all I can offer are those immortal words.... "I'm so so so sorry"!

Quote from: G@@ on September 04, 2020, 12:56:41 AM

Quote from: ottoman on September 03, 2020, 09:14:43 AM

Quote from: burdizzo on September 02, 2020, 10:30:28 PM
I'm actually told the GAA has just said there'll be no schools' matches until after Christmas, at least.

Yes it will be at least after Christmas before there is any form of schools games for any activity, not just GAA. There is a huge lot of parents who were already concerned for sending their kids back to school as it is under these so called controlled measures. There would be absolute uproar ip Kid A complained that he or she had to sit beside Kid B who spent the morning playing/tackling someone in a schools football/hurling/rugby match etc...

Not a huge amount. A recent survey concluded that 33% were somewhat concerned - the other 66% probably threw a party on the morning of September 1st - I heard anecdotal accounts of parents going to the local hotel/cafe/restaurant to order the full Irish breakfast in celebration. Too right, the audacity of the state expecting parents to home-school kids during May/June was a disgrace. They should have been back then. If Kid A's mommy/doddy has an issue with their kid sitting beside Kid B then it's not the right time for Kid A to return to school and mommy/doddy should ensure that they provide the education - one would think they'd be almost experts at this stage considering their stint from mid-March to June.

No need for the aggressive attack. I am only stating my opinion on how I think this will play out. I am no massive supporter of this government but what did you expect them to do in May/June when pretty every country in the world was adopting the same policy regarding home schooling and its precisely whey they wont be rushing kids back to the sports fields in schools because the last thing they want is the schools closed again!

Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 04, 2020, 07:41:34 AM
A lot of bluster there G@@.
Hole & digging come to mind. To repeat, the article you quoted says literally nothing! It's 3 months old, published by a rag and has a textbook clickbait headline. Nowhere does the CMO say that frontline staff are immune. The article basically says: they might have, for a while, we are not sure!
I could sit down and take your reply quote by quote... but frankly I'm not arsed!

Do I know what immunity is? No never heard of it!
But these guys probably do! Ever heard of them?
www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/immunity-passports-in-the-context-of-covid-19#:~:text=There%20is%20currently%20no%20evidence,multi%2Dstep%20process.

Granted, the article is from April 20, but it still stands as their latest position (according to this article from last week- www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-52446965).
Open to correction on this, but it's the latest position I could find. Unless of course The Sun or The Guardian or Karen from Facebook have contradicted this position and I'm not aware of it?

Immunity will no doubt turn out to be a key player in the fight to bring Covid 19 under control. It does not appear (to my admittedly untrained eye) that the scientific evidence currently suggests that it is safe to use it as a means of attack right now. 

Finally, you find my comments sexist and ageist? Well all I can offer are those immortal words.... "I'm so so so sorry"!

https://www.thejournal.ie/immunity-health-coronavirus-covid-tony-holohan-nurses-healthcare-staff-5114368-Jun2020/

Under the photograph "Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan said that guidelines on immunity only apply to healthcare workers."
Those guidelines being that Healthcare Workers are considered immune from Covid-19 for three months.

You can't be arsed replying because your arguments are weak - and yet you have tried to counter me by linking an article from April whilst criticising an article I posted from June!

Here is an article about immunity in Iceland that is fresh off the press https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-09-03/coronavirus-iceland-gives-us-some-good-covid-19?sref=2o0rZsF1 if you can be arsed.

Help us all if a real virus/pandemic ever strikes in the near future - the amount of crying wolf over this virus will surely hamper any attempts to curtail one.

Quote from: ottoman on September 04, 2020, 11:33:16 AM
No need for the aggressive attack. I am only stating my opinion on how I think this will play out. I am no massive supporter of this government but what did you expect them to do in May/June when pretty every country in the world was adopting the same policy regarding home schooling and its precisely whey they wont be rushing kids back to the sports fields in schools because the last thing they want is the schools closed again!

I'm not attacking *you* at all! I just think that the vast majority of the response has been panic and with very little thought gone into anything. Other EU nations were re-opening schools before summer break, we should have done the same. Kids are considered very low risk, and in an outdoor setting the risk is virtually nil. I would argue that the kids are therefore at a higher risk inside the school building than outside pucking a ball or kicking a ball.

There seems to be a sizeable minority in society screeching about what everyone else should be and shouldn't be doing regarding this virus. It's high time they were told to shut up and look after themselves if they are that worried about it. As I said at the end of my last post - help us all if a real virus/pandemic hits in the near future.

Quote from: G@@ on September 04, 2020, 12:10:20 PM

There seems to be a sizeable minority in society screeching about what everyone else should be and shouldn't be doing

Yup. But 'tis always the way.

Quote from: G@@ on September 04, 2020, 12:03:07 PM
You can't be arsed replying because your arguments are weak -

Ok, you win. We can all use that fancy quote button!

Quote from: G@@ on September 04, 2020, 12:03:07 PM
https://www.thejournal.ie/immunity-health-coronavirus-covid-tony-holohan-nurses-healthcare-staff-5114368-Jun2020/
Under the photograph "Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan said that guidelines on immunity only apply to healthcare workers."
Those guidelines being that Healthcare Workers are considered immune from Covid-19 for three months.

You have quoted a caption, on a random photograph of a cyclist, written by some subeditor of the Journal.ie whose primary function is to attract clicks and readers, to appease advertisers, to keep their job. You then claimed that the CMO of Ireland said this. This is not correct. It is not even close to being correct. But you don't appear to like that being pointed out.
It is not a quote from Tony Holohan, Patches O Houlihan, Eoin 'Hooley' Holohan or anybody else with a similar name.

What the article actually quotes the then CMO as saying is this;

""We just have recommended that measure for its application in healthcare settings because of the desire to ensure that we minimise the impact on the healthcare workforce,"

"We'll keep the whole thing under review. That whole question, of the role of immunity and then participation by people in society in activity or work, is a question under ongoing international scrutiny and research,"

I interpret that as, we are not sure, but if we have to, and are faced with a chronic shortage in the health sector, we will take a chance on sending asymptomatic healthcare workers back to work. How would you interpret it? All healthcare workers who have previously tested positive for Covid are now immune?
To remind you, what you originally stated was

Quote from: G@@ on September 01, 2020, 09:58:34 PM
There are 8,000+ recovered healthcare workers who are now immune, and these workers should be strategically placed to work with vulnerable and elderly people - where feasible.

Can you please show me where Tony Holohan, Ronan Glynn, NPHET, Simon Harris, Stephen Donnelly, Paul Reid, the HSE,or anybody else has said anything that vaguely resembles the statement you made above there?

Quote from: G@@ on September 04, 2020, 12:03:07 PM

You can't be arsed replying because your arguments are weak - and yet you have tried to counter me by linking an article from April whilst criticising an article I posted from June!

I think you will find that
1. I acknowledged myself that it was from April
2. It still appears to be the official position of the WHO (heard of them??). Open to correction on this.
3. I included an article from last week that cited this as the official position of the WHO.
4. Unlike other sources, the WHO don't actually rely on clicks and advertisements for funding. Therefore they tend to be a little less prolific, some would even say selective and considered, in publishing information!

Quote from: G@@ on September 04, 2020, 12:03:07 PM

Here is an article about immunity in Iceland that is fresh off the press https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-09-03/coronavirus-iceland-gives-us-some-good-covid-19?sref=2o0rZsF1 if you can be arsed.

Oh I can be arsed! And the article is indeed welcome news, even if it is (understandably) a little non committal on how immune and for how long people are! Why? Because hundreds of thousands of scientists around the World are frantically trying to establish this. And when they hopefully do, it will be fantastic news for you, me, the Average Joes dodgeball team and everybody else!
From that Icelandic article;
"It is also too early so say whether these antibody findings will hold over a longer time period. It's possible that immunity will fade as time goes by, leaving us more exposed to the virus. But, for now, there's no reason to fear the worst. The development of vaccines is happening at breakneck speed, and available evidence shows the human body is indeed developing some form of protection. In a year of overwhelmingly grim news, this is very welcome."
All positive, but also all wait and see- give us more time and hopefully we will know more.

I guess I'm just one of those who will wait for the WHO and/or the CMO to consider the many many many studies currently ongoing and make an informed decision regarding immunity.
I'm just not prepared to go off a throwaway remark in caption on the Journal.ie. Silly me!

Some reasonably solid news re vaccines-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8704803/Coronavirus-vaccine-provide-multi-year-protection-says-health-minister-Greg-Hunt.html

Talking about two injections, one month apart. They hope this will provide multi-year immunity.

Quotes the Oz Health Minister

" It's likely that both vaccines will require what's called a double shot, or an initial vaccination and a booster approximately a month later"

" The best advice that we have - and it's not determined yet - is that there is likely to be multiyear protection"

According to the article they will prioritize healthcare workers & vulnerable people in January & February.

Lots of ifs & buts. But at least some ray of hope for those who believe a vaccine is important.

Even some at the top of the HSE are beginning to question it all and advocate herd immunity - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/draconian-restrictions-around-covid-19-condemned-by-hse-doctor-1.4352701

Quote from: G@@ on September 04, 2020, 12:43:23 AM

Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 02, 2020, 10:27:47 AM
Not alone is the immunity totally debated still to this day...

Immunity is debated where?

Here (for some reason you have to copy & paste the link for it to work)

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1012/1171131-coronavirus-reinfection-us-study/?fbclid=IwAR2dp5HFcJWcQnP_EwSBNdeT7yxioLpSJSZ_43cJ50dbf6D1RPEKRJFIO3w