Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm

[greatpoint]

Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!

Harte is a specialist in failure. Underachieved with Tyrone's golden generation and is under achieving with this bunch. He must be replaced.

Yes with a mere 3 all irelands to a county that had never won one before.

Is that seriously a widely held opinion in Tyrone? I get why people might feel that he should go now and to be honest I think he is probably at the time is up stage but 3 all irelands was most certainly not under achieving??

I don't believe so. I've never heard anyone else saying that. There's many that just think Harte has ran his race and that a change would be good to freshen things up. But I've yet to hear anyone claim that he underachieved in the 00's.

That team in the 00s was destined to win All Irelands. There was definitely one All Ireland threw away in 07 when Harte picked a bogey team and got caught against Meath. The success of 03, 05 & 08 masked the years of underachievement. There was trojan work done in Tyrone long before Harte took on the senior set up. Football camps, Club Tyrone etc. Mickey Harte didn't invent winning. Tyrone has won the National League in 02 and were already a coming team. In reality Tyrone have beaten no one of note in the last 11 years. He is a specialist in failure. He has constantly got caught in Ulster, yet again this being another example. Tyrone county board should ask him to leave.

Yeah but 08 was one they won being huge underdogs so surely that made up for 07? yes they shouldn't have been caught by Meath I would agree.

I think for the period of 03 to 08 he most certainly did not underachieve but after that maybe up for debate. I personally don't think he did. The Cork team that beat Tyrone were just better. The semi with Kerry the other year they were just better. The semi this year I think he could have done more with mind you.

I think if you judge 3 AIs as a failure then you are an incredibly harsh judge.

I do often wonder whether sometimes Ulster always came at a time where his team was not setup to peak yet and he took this hit to aim for bigger prizes. Could be wrong in that but I do think the Donegal result would have been the other way in mid July on.

So if Tyrone weren't peaking in June when exactly were they looking to peak? Didn't seem to happen in July either.

[Rufus T Firefly]

I recall congratulating a friend who was a Chairman of a club in West Tyrone, a matter of weeks after the 2008 triumph. I was full of praise for the role (I felt) that Harte had played as a tactician, notwithstanding Cavanagh's tour-de-force in that game. His response was something like, "Well, I'm not sure. He's a lucky manager!" I remember saying something to the effect that if you don't want him, we'll take him!!

My friend was a professional person and successful businessman by the way - I add that to basically say that he had a brain between his ears and was not someone to let raw emotion get the better of his judgement. However it underlined to me that Harte was - even in his pomp - a divisive figure.

[southtyronegael]

Most football folk in Tyrone know that Tony Donnelly was the tactical brains for the all Ireland winning years. He gone since 2014, replaced by Gavin Devlin.

[trueblue1234]

Most football folk in Tyrone know that Tony Donnelly was the tactical brains for the all Ireland winning years. He gone since 2014, replaced by Gavin Devlin.

So should Trailer be ranting at him instead of MH then?
This tends to be the way these debates go. If your anti Harte, he'll get none of the recognition for the successes and all of the blame for the losses. And vice versa for Harte supporters.     

* As an aside, Tony Donnelly was very important to that set up without a doubt. A pity he left.

[trailer]

You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.

[TwoUpTwoDown]

You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.

Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

[imtommygunn]

Most football folk in Tyrone know that Tony Donnelly was the tactical brains for the all Ireland winning years. He gone since 2014, replaced by Gavin Devlin.

Just those winning years? What about the years they didn't win, that was Harte's fault?

So just to clarify, when Tyrone won the All Irelands it was because of Tony Donnelly, "football camps", Club Tyrone and the players.
When Tyrone didn't win the All Ireland, it was because of Mickey Harte.

Got it.

Exactly.

[RedHand88]

You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.

Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

Wonder this myself. The people who make this claim don't go to many club games in Tyrone I think.

[trueblue1234]

You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.

Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

Wonder this myself. The people who make this claim don't go to many club games in Tyrone I think.

Plus the RTE note is nonsense. Him not speaking to RTE doesn't stop him being scrutinised. If anything he gets more than most managers.

[Captain Obvious]

You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.

[tonto1888]

You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.

Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

We get this in Armagh all the time. People saying about all the players who are refusing to play for the management but they can never name them. Or name people who had genuine reasons to stop playing inter county

[trailer]

You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.

Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

Lee Brennan
Mark Bradley
Ronan O'Neill (granted he's played poorly but maybe a change of manager might turn his fortunes around. He has the talent)
There's 3.

It's ok we've all been seduced by Mickey and his band of yes men. But I plead with you, as a fellow gael, we must cast off the shackles Harte has imprisoned us in and strike now for freedom. We're at a crossroads. The choice is simple. Another season of mediocrity or the potential for greatness.

[Redhand Santa]

You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.

Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

Lee Brennan
Mark Bradley
Ronan O'Neill (granted he's played poorly but maybe a change of manager might turn his fortunes around. He has the talent)
There's 3.

It's ok we've all been seduced by Mickey and his band of yes men. But I plead with you, as a fellow gael, we must cast off the shackles Harte has imprisoned us in and strike now for freedom. We're at a crossroads. The choice is simple. Another season of mediocrity or the potential for greatness.

Mark Bradley was unavailable for the year due to being in England. He'll be back next year with Harte still involved.

Ronan O'Neill isn't good enough. Lee Brennan is good enough to come off the bench but not start as proved in last years semi final versus Monaghan when he couldn't win a ball kicked in to him.

Some crap talked in here. To listen to some of you Tyrone will be winning All Irelands every other year when the manager changes, they won't.

[trueblue1234]

You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.

Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

Lee Brennan
Mark Bradley
Ronan O'Neill (granted he's played poorly but maybe a change of manager might turn his fortunes around. He has the talent)
There's 3.

It's ok we've all been seduced by Mickey and his band of yes men. But I plead with you, as a fellow gael, we must cast off the shackles Harte has imprisoned us in and strike now for freedom. We're at a crossroads. The choice is simple. Another season of mediocrity or the potential for greatness.

Mark Bradley studying in Liverpool
Ronan O'Neill - Not good enough. On verge for many years. Left in good terms and left door open for return. Would not have impacted Tyrone's year.
Lee Brennan - May have a point, but left cause he wasn't getting the game time as his performances didn't call for him to be an automatic starter. I was disappointed in him myself.

[Angelo]

You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.

Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

Lee Brennan
Mark Bradley
Ronan O'Neill (granted he's played poorly but maybe a change of manager might turn his fortunes around. He has the talent)
There's 3.

It's ok we've all been seduced by Mickey and his band of yes men. But I plead with you, as a fellow gael, we must cast off the shackles Harte has imprisoned us in and strike now for freedom. We're at a crossroads. The choice is simple. Another season of mediocrity or the potential for greatness.

Mark Bradley took a year out to study abroad. He will be back next year. Ronan O'Neill had ample opportunities and just didn't cut it. Lee Brennan started an All Ireland semi final last year and was very poor. He threw his toys out of the pram this year when he lost his place and was not up for the fight.

This has happened too much of late in the Tyrone squads with lads jacking it halfway through the season. Maybe that kind of attitude is more endemic of why we are failing.

When you commit to a county panel you do it for the year. It's unfair on management and team mates to bail on them in the middle of that.