Far right parties are expected to gain significantly in this year's Euro elections. The Far right uses emotion to wind up voters and never fixes anything. European Far right politicians such as Le Pen, Wilders and Orban specialise in conspiracy theories and gaslighting and target ignorant voters . They are all anti immigrant, anti climate action and pro Russia. They are much better at politics than right wing politicians. The North has had the far right for a very long time in the form of the DUP.
Who is the Far Right in the Republic?
its the biggest election in the history of the republic
Quote from: Eire90 on March 29, 2024, 10:34:24 AMits the biggest election in the history of the republic
Bigger than the first election?
yes it will determine if the right wing insurgency is real or not
European elections seem to lend themselves to the far right. I don't think it's the biggest election in Ireland's history, being elected to Europe doesn't mean a pile there's no power there really for an MEP.
How they get on in the next General Election will tell a tale as to where the country is at!
i am talking about local elections if far right people can get on county council meeting they can cause major disruption
Quote from: Eire90 on March 29, 2024, 10:34:24 AMits the biggest election in the history of the republic
Surely you don't believe the sh1t you type? Surely! :-X
Quote from: screenexile on March 29, 2024, 11:37:09 AMEuropean elections seem to lend themselves to the far right. I don't think it's the biggest election in Ireland's history, being elected to Europe doesn't mean a pile there's no power there really for an MEP.
How they get on in the next General Election will tell a tale as to where the country is at!
Couple of hundred votes be enough?
Would Aontu be considered far right?
Quote from: Eire90 on March 29, 2024, 11:46:08 AMi am talking about local elections if far right people can get on county council meeting they can cause major disruption
How exactly?
Vote no to everything? They'll be a minority of loudmouth thicks.
Burn the Council Chambers?
Blockade the Council offices?
Murder all the other Councillors?
Murder all the Council workers?
yes they will be a minorityt but with a a seat at the meetings they can be very disruptive
Quote from: Eire90 on March 29, 2024, 02:49:28 PMyes they will be a minorityt but with a a seat at the meetings they can be very disruptive
OK.. In 4 or 5 bullet points, how can a lone right wing minority councillor be disruptive?
by shouting and screaming being loud lol
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 29, 2024, 09:06:47 AMWho is the Far Right in the Republic?
According to the Irish Times there are 5 far right groups mar dhea in gestation. One of them is linked to Michael Fitzmaurice. The issues are farmer grievances like resistance to climate action and demands for turf cutting rights plus opposition to the EU.
chances of john waters getting elected.
Quote from: Eire90 on March 29, 2024, 08:11:41 PMchances of john waters getting elected.
It'd be no harm. The amount of TD's swimming with this sh*tty tide is depressing. Dail needs a shake up.
We've had no opposition for some time now. Not since the Banking crash. And our press and media are handcuffed by being subsidised by the Government.
Thought he was standing in the Euros? I'd like to be wrong, but I'd say his chances are small.
Quote from: Eire90 on March 29, 2024, 08:11:41 PMchances of john waters getting elected.
Oh yeh, a massive chance 😂. But him and his psycho buddy Gemma have a few problems of their own to resolve first
Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2024, 09:32:00 PMFar right parties are expected to gain significantly in this year's Euro elections. The Far right uses emotion to wind up voters and never fixes anything. European Far right politicians such as Le Pen, Wilders and Orban specialise in conspiracy theories and gaslighting and target ignorant voters . They are all anti immigrant, anti climate action and pro Russia. They are much better at politics than right wing politicians. The North has had the far right for a very long time in the form of the DUP.
Came across this earlier:
https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/6852/seats-held-by-far-right-parties-in-europe/
did gemma and john fall out
Quote from: clarshack on March 29, 2024, 10:17:47 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 28, 2024, 09:32:00 PMFar right parties are expected to gain significantly in this year's Euro elections. The Far right uses emotion to wind up voters and never fixes anything. European Far right politicians such as Le Pen, Wilders and Orban specialise in conspiracy theories and gaslighting and target ignorant voters . They are all anti immigrant, anti climate action and pro Russia. They are much better at politics than right wing politicians. The North has had the far right for a very long time in the form of the DUP.
Came across this earlier:
https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/6852/seats-held-by-far-right-parties-in-europe/
that is a great link
nial mcconnel was out canvassing in ballybofey yesterday he got a very positive reception
Quote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2024, 07:32:05 AMnial mcconnel was out canvassing in ballybofey yesterday he got a very positive reception
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Quote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2024, 07:32:05 AMnial mcconnel was out canvassing in ballybofey yesterday he got a very positive reception
He's hardly done that well, when his supporters can't even spell his name. A complete grifter.
A disgusting sc**bag if ever there was one.
Quote from: HiMucker on March 31, 2024, 10:45:40 AMQuote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2024, 07:32:05 AMnial mcconnel was out canvassing in ballybofey yesterday he got a very positive reception
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Quote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2024, 07:32:05 AMnial mcconnel was out canvassing in ballybofey yesterday he got a very positive reception
He's hardly done that well, when his supporters can't even spell his name. A complete grifter.
where did i say i support niall mcconnel please show me where i said support mcconnel or anyone think you got the wrong end of the stick and i dont care about his name
Quote from: HiMucker on March 31, 2024, 10:45:40 AMQuote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2024, 07:32:05 AMnial mcconnel was out canvassing in ballybofey yesterday he got a very positive reception
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Quote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2024, 07:32:05 AMnial mcconnel was out canvassing in ballybofey yesterday he got a very positive reception
He's hardly done that well, when his supporters can't even spell his name. A complete grifter.
That video where he was called a bad egg is fantastic.
fergus power arrested yesterday after going into a cafe and screaming about migrants there is meme going around of some aul fella laughing at fergus power and one of his accomplices even some right wing outlets power went to far
https://twitter.com/IrishRebel1965/status/1775221455791218978
;D ;D
About time the Law was used against those scum.
No doubt free legal aid.
That was funny. As said above, let's see more of guards out dragging these scumbags off to a prison cell.
And stop their dole as they obviously aren't available for work.
dont know if you can describe him as far right but nial boyalan announces hes running for European election.
https://twitter.com/Niall_Boylan/status/1782867145300365459
Quote from: Eire90 on April 24, 2024, 12:14:23 PMdont know if you can describe him as far right but nial boyalan announces hes running for European election.
What would your definition of far right be?
This
is
a
far
right
post
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Quote from: whitey on April 24, 2024, 04:46:59 PMQuote from: Eire90 on April 24, 2024, 12:14:23 PMdont know if you can describe him as far right but nial boyalan announces hes running for European election.
What would your definition of far right be?
mine is
Anti climate action
Pro plutocracy.
anti women
Violent
Report to Putin.
Very noisy
Never solve problems.
Quote from: seafoid on April 24, 2024, 05:25:45 PMQuote from: whitey on April 24, 2024, 04:46:59 PMQuote from: Eire90 on April 24, 2024, 12:14:23 PMdont know if you can describe him as far right but nial boyalan announces hes running for European election.
What would your definition of far right be?
mine is
Anti climate action
Pro plutocracy.
anti women
Violent
Report to Putin.
Very noisy
Never solve problems.
Is anti climate action not an outlier among that?
Is it okay to disbelieve all/any other government messaging and policies... just not climate change?
——
I'm not anti climate action by the way. I just don't understand how it can be right wing to be that way.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 24, 2024, 05:30:48 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 24, 2024, 05:25:45 PMQuote from: whitey on April 24, 2024, 04:46:59 PMQuote from: Eire90 on April 24, 2024, 12:14:23 PMdont know if you can describe him as far right but nial boyalan announces hes running for European election.
What would your definition of far right be?
mine is
Anti climate action
Pro plutocracy.
anti women
Violent
Report to Putin.
Very noisy
Never solve problems.
Is anti climate action not an outlier among that?
Is it okay to disbelieve all/any other government messaging and policies... just not climate change?
——
I'm not anti climate action by the way. I just don't understand how it can be right wing to be that way.
They all beguile Farmer's into believing that that climate action is ruining
Quote from: thewobbler on April 24, 2024, 05:30:48 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 24, 2024, 05:25:45 PMQuote from: whitey on April 24, 2024, 04:46:59 PMQuote from: Eire90 on April 24, 2024, 12:14:23 PMdont know if you can describe him as far right but nial boyalan announces hes running for European election.
What would your definition of far right be?
mine is
Anti climate action
Pro plutocracy.
anti women
Violent
Report to Putin.
Very noisy
Never solve problems.
Is anti climate action not an outlier among that?
Is it okay to disbelieve all/any other government messaging and policies... just not climate change?
——
I'm not anti climate action by the way. I just don't understand how it can be right wing to be that way.
They all have the same menu of policies. They are all led by demagogues who are liars.
Anti everything, blame foreigners for all their personal problems, never take responsibility for anything, never solve anything. Most importantly, pretend they care about ireland, citizens, women etc - when they dont.
Most of them would be low down the IQ level and easily manipulated by a few semi intelligent but evil people.
Wave tricolour, spout about being Irish Patriots, haven't a word of Gaeilge.
Don't work. Don't wash too often by the look of them.
All vehemently anti abortion presumably to get funds from US.
Quote from: Itchy on April 25, 2024, 08:52:24 AMAnti everything, blame foreigners for all their personal problems, never take responsibility for anything, never solve anything. Most importantly, pretend they care about ireland, citizens, women etc - when they dont.
Most of them would be low down the IQ level and easily manipulated by a few semi intelligent but evil people.
only care about women being killed if the killer is a non irish national
Quote from: Rossfan on April 25, 2024, 09:09:58 AMWave tricolour, spout about being Irish Patriots, haven't a word of Gaeilge.
Don't work. Don't wash too often by the look of them.
All vehemently anti abortion presumably to get funds from US.
Ivory Coast flag you mean.
A key thing is to be a hypocrite too.
Call others snowflakes but then any perceived slight has them spiralling.
Not in Ireland but in the USA they will go nuts about the 1st Amendment but then when students protest over Gaza they call in the riot squad. Make up your mind lads...
A small few make a LOT of noise but they won't get their deposits back when it comes to the elections. It's a tiny minority on tour.
See apparently this morning, that 80% of blow ins come in from Northern Ireland.
If Larne is the first thing you see.....
Quote from: Itchy on April 25, 2024, 08:52:24 AMAnti everything, blame foreigners for all their personal problems, never take responsibility for anything, never solve anything. Most importantly, pretend they care about ireland, citizens, women etc - when they dont.
Most of them would be low down the IQ level and easily manipulated by a few semi intelligent but evil people.
The far right leader tells lies to people he knows are stupid.
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2024, 11:45:39 AMQuote from: Itchy on April 25, 2024, 08:52:24 AMAnti everything, blame foreigners for all their personal problems, never take responsibility for anything, never solve anything. Most importantly, pretend they care about ireland, citizens, women etc - when they dont.
Most of them would be low down the IQ level and easily manipulated by a few semi intelligent but evil people.
The far right leader tells lies to people he knows are stupid.
I thought that tactic is standard across the world. People buy into that every time come elections
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/helen-mcentee-confirms-fewer-100-32663680.amp
So would calling for the deportation of 7200 people "whose asylum applications have been refused" be a far right
Position?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2024, 11:56:06 AMQuote from: seafoid on April 25, 2024, 11:45:39 AMQuote from: Itchy on April 25, 2024, 08:52:24 AMAnti everything, blame foreigners for all their personal problems, never take responsibility for anything, never solve anything. Most importantly, pretend they care about ireland, citizens, women etc - when they dont.
Most of them would be low down the IQ level and easily manipulated by a few semi intelligent but evil people.
The far right leader tells lies to people he knows are stupid.
I thought that tactic is standard across the world. People buy into that every time come elections
It would be easy to suggest that this was the core tactic of DUP and Sinn Fein to usurp SDLP and UUP, and has been a staple tactic since.
Surely both those parties cannot be far right?
Quote from: thewobbler on April 25, 2024, 05:34:21 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2024, 11:56:06 AMQuote from: seafoid on April 25, 2024, 11:45:39 AMQuote from: Itchy on April 25, 2024, 08:52:24 AMAnti everything, blame foreigners for all their personal problems, never take responsibility for anything, never solve anything. Most importantly, pretend they care about ireland, citizens, women etc - when they dont.
Most of them would be low down the IQ level and easily manipulated by a few semi intelligent but evil people.
The far right leader tells lies to people he knows are stupid.
I thought that tactic is standard across the world. People buy into that every time come elections
It would be easy to suggest that this was the core tactic of DUP and Sinn Fein to usurp SDLP and UUP, and has been a staple tactic since.
Surely both those parties cannot be far right?
Or that FG tell you lies about the houses they will build but don't. But of course that's not the same thing and you know it.
Quote from: whitey on April 25, 2024, 04:16:36 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/helen-mcentee-confirms-fewer-100-32663680.amp
So would calling for the deportation of 7200 people "whose asylum applications have been refused" be a far right
Position?
All I say is there was a famous case last year where an asylum seeker in Belfast had his claim for asylum refused at first instance. The reason for his refusal was he had claimed he would be persecuted in his home country because he was involved in guerrilla warfare. The Home Office rejected that this would entitle him to asylum because 'gorillas are an endangered species' and fighting them shouldn't allow him to claim asylum.
So id at least like appeals to be dealt with first
The nazifascists being taken on at last.
12 months too late.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/three-arrested-and-fire-burns-as-garda-public-order-unit-deployed-to-site-slated-to-house-asylum-seekers-in-wicklow/a1618585359.html
Quote from: David McKeown on April 25, 2024, 07:38:37 PMQuote from: whitey on April 25, 2024, 04:16:36 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/helen-mcentee-confirms-fewer-100-32663680.amp
So would calling for the deportation of 7200 people "whose asylum applications have been refused" be a far right
Position?
All I say is there was a famous case last year where an asylum seeker in Belfast had his claim for asylum refused at first instance. The reason for his refusal was he had claimed he would be persecuted in his home country because he was involved in guerrilla warfare. The Home Office rejected that this would entitle him to asylum because 'gorillas are an endangered species' and fighting them shouldn't allow him to claim asylum.
So id at least like appeals to be dealt with first
is this true?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 25, 2024, 11:11:48 AMSee apparently this morning, that 80% of blow ins come in from Northern Ireland.
Id like to see where she got that figure from
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 26, 2024, 07:17:27 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 25, 2024, 07:38:37 PMQuote from: whitey on April 25, 2024, 04:16:36 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/helen-mcentee-confirms-fewer-100-32663680.amp
So would calling for the deportation of 7200 people "whose asylum applications have been refused" be a far right
Position?
All I say is there was a famous case last year where an asylum seeker in Belfast had his claim for asylum refused at first instance. The reason for his refusal was he had claimed he would be persecuted in his home country because he was involved in guerrilla warfare. The Home Office rejected that this would entitle him to asylum because 'gorillas are an endangered species' and fighting them shouldn't allow him to claim asylum.
So id at least like appeals to be dealt with first
is this true?
Quote from: David McKeown on April 25, 2024, 07:38:37 PMQuote from: whitey on April 25, 2024, 04:16:36 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/helen-mcentee-confirms-fewer-100-32663680.amp
So would calling for the deportation of 7200 people "whose asylum applications have been refused" be a far right
Position?
All I say is there was a famous case last year where an asylum seeker in Belfast had his claim for asylum refused at first instance. The reason for his refusal was he had claimed he would be persecuted in his home country because he was involved in guerrilla warfare. The Home Office rejected that this would entitle him to asylum because 'gorillas are an endangered species' and fighting them shouldn't allow him to claim asylum.
So id at least like appeals to be dealt with first
;D ;D
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0426/1445812-josip-strok/
A decent man earning a living.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 26, 2024, 04:01:01 PMhttps://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0426/1445812-josip-strok/
A decent man earning a living.
Read an interview with him the other day, absolutely awful, poor fellas.
We should treat immigrants like we'd want our own diaspora to be treated. During the Great Hunger, >1 million Irish were refugees (>1 million died).
Above all other nations, we have reason to be generous + hospitable.
Quote from: befair on April 26, 2024, 04:38:58 PMWe should treat immigrants like we'd want our own diaspora to be treated. During the Great Hunger, >1 million Irish were refugees (>1 million died).
Above all other nations, we have reason to be generous + hospitable.
We should, but we cannot take one billion people.
Nobody's asking us to
Quote from: Rossfan on April 26, 2024, 05:37:50 PMNobody's asking us to
OK, so how many are we expected to take?
Quote from: armaghniac on April 26, 2024, 06:58:06 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 26, 2024, 05:37:50 PMNobody's asking us to
OK, so how many are we expected to take?
I thought you were taking none and instead shipping to 🇷🇼 ?
Quote from: thebigfella on April 26, 2024, 07:04:35 PMQuote from: armaghniac on April 26, 2024, 06:58:06 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 26, 2024, 05:37:50 PMNobody's asking us to
OK, so how many are we expected to take?
I thought you were taking none and instead shipping to 🇷🇼 ?
What a red herring. Where does it end? Come on, tell us.
Quote from: burdizzo on April 26, 2024, 07:20:33 PMQuote from: thebigfella on April 26, 2024, 07:04:35 PMQuote from: armaghniac on April 26, 2024, 06:58:06 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 26, 2024, 05:37:50 PMNobody's asking us to
OK, so how many are we expected to take?
I thought you were taking none and instead shipping to 🇷🇼 ?
What a red herring. Where does it end? Come on, tell us.
Where does it start? Are you saying we should be taking none? I'm assuming you're not that big a boll!x and that you are happy to take some. So what's the limit? How many is too many for you?
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 26, 2024, 07:17:27 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 25, 2024, 07:38:37 PMQuote from: whitey on April 25, 2024, 04:16:36 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/helen-mcentee-confirms-fewer-100-32663680.amp
So would calling for the deportation of 7200 people "whose asylum applications have been refused" be a far right
Position?
All I say is there was a famous case last year where an asylum seeker in Belfast had his claim for asylum refused at first instance. The reason for his refusal was he had claimed he would be persecuted in his home country because he was involved in guerrilla warfare. The Home Office rejected that this would entitle him to asylum because 'gorillas are an endangered species' and fighting them shouldn't allow him to claim asylum.
So id at least like appeals to be dealt with first
is this true?
Yes genuine cases involving a couple of my friends about 15 months ago
12 months too late but better than never I suppose
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41383141.html
Quote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2024, 08:53:21 AM12 months too late but better than never I suppose
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41383141.html
There's no doubt that an element of proper Far Right will try and infiltrate protests but just seen a clip of the residents of Newtown Mount Kennedy marching and it's a seriously large group of people. Are all those people 'Nazifascist'? Are they the ones that have blocked access to the local GAA pitch?
It also didn't look good the other night when Drew Harris's Riot Squad were intimidating people on their own property, it was like the troubles had moved to Wicklow.
Sorry state of affairs all around and it's the Irish Government that are completely to blame for creating this mess.
Quote from: clarshack on April 27, 2024, 04:59:00 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2024, 08:53:21 AM12 months too late but better than never I suppose
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41383141.html
There's no doubt that an element of proper Far Right will try and infiltrate protests but just seen a clip of the residents of Newtown Mount Kennedy marching and it's a seriously large group of people. Are all those people 'Nazifascist'? Are they the ones that have blocked access to the local GAA pitch?
It also didn't look good the other night when Drew Harris's Riot Squad were intimidating people on their own property, it was like the troubles had moved to Wicklow.
Sorry state of affairs all around and it's the Irish Government that are completely to blame for creating this mess.
Do these people seriously think they are being 'replaced'?
Be no harm if they were replaced by decent humans.
Quote from: clarshack on April 27, 2024, 04:59:00 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2024, 08:53:21 AM12 months too late but better than never I suppose
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41383141.html
There's no doubt that an element of proper Far Right will try and infiltrate protests but just seen a clip of the residents of Newtown Mount Kennedy marching and it's a seriously large group of people. Are all those people 'Nazifascist'? Are they the ones that have blocked access to the local GAA pitch?
It also didn't look good the other night when Drew Harris's Riot Squad were intimidating people on their own property, it was like the troubles had moved to Wicklow.
Sorry state of affairs all around and it's the Irish Government that are completely to blame for creating this mess.
Some sc**bag attacks a squad car with an axe and its all the Government's fault????
There was over 20000 foreigners armed to the teeth in the north for years don't remember any of these far right groups about then.
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 27, 2024, 09:02:03 PMThere was over 20000 foreigners armed to the teeth in the north for years don't remember any of these far right groups about then.
Most people assumed SF/IRA were nationalist. Turns out not to have been so.
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 27, 2024, 09:02:03 PMThere was over 20000 foreigners armed to the teeth in the north for years don't remember any of these far right groups about then.
1 As bullies and thugs they'd be afraid of their sh1te of them
2 They'd see them as their allies
Quote from: burdizzo on April 28, 2024, 06:48:03 AMQuote from: reddgnhand on April 27, 2024, 09:02:03 PMThere was over 20000 foreigners armed to the teeth in the north for years don't remember any of these far right groups about then.
Most people assumed SF/IRA were nationalist. Turns out not to have been so.
did this make sense in your head?
It would to those fktards who think Nationalism is the Continental Nazifascist version which says no foreigners should be allowed into a Country.
Whereas as antifa "fktards" think Ireland should be open and provide for all comers? Yay!
A lot of this is a cover for blatant racism going about wrapped in tricolours them pure fascists being backed by Tommy Robinson and his ilk.
I see Athletics Ireland had to turn off a post yesterday when Rhasadat Adeleke broke a national record as these neanderthals turned their hatred on her because she is black.
Born in Dublin ffs! (not that anyone should be abused wherever they came from).
She is a wonderful ambassador for Ireland while her abusers could hardly spell their own names. Total scumbags...
Absolute filth
https://x.com/tvcritics/status/1784967221548122389?s=46
The state of this lot!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2024, 11:56:06 AMQuote from: seafoid on April 25, 2024, 11:45:39 AMQuote from: Itchy on April 25, 2024, 08:52:24 AMAnti everything, blame foreigners for all their personal problems, never take responsibility for anything, never solve anything. Most importantly, pretend they care about ireland, citizens, women etc - when they dont.
Most of them would be low down the IQ level and easily manipulated by a few semi intelligent but evil people.
The far right leader tells lies to people he knows are stupid.
I thought that tactic is standard across the world. People buy into that every time come elections
Someone once said that if voting changed anything it would be outlawed.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cExSN3bvSk0&si=YoFUFFsXpGRuVsaZ
I wonder what the Far Right opinion is in relation to this immigrant medic?
In my local town after a couple of yrs with refugees and no issues a local sc**bag has gone around plastering the place with posters and camping outside a builders house, breaking windows, smashing cars. Guards finally lifted him, allowed him to video himself in their car and giggled along with his jokes. The biggest issue at moment is inaction of authorities allowing a complete inbred sc**bag to become some sort of robin hood in the eyes of the thickos that follow him.
The scum are setting the agenda and making all the running.
Social media is proving to be one of the worst inventions of all time. It does much more harm than good.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 01, 2024, 09:06:36 AMSocial media is proving to be one of the worst inventions of all time. It does much more harm than good.
110%. Rats running onto this paticular ship
Tends to be twitter I think. But for twitter there'd be no Jamie Bryson and I don't think there'd be the rise there is in the south either.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 01, 2024, 10:04:14 AMTends to be twitter I think. But for twitter there'd be no Jamie Bryson and I don't think there'd be the rise there is in the south either.
At least Bryson isn't hiding behind a fake name like 99.9% of the hate filled bastids on there are
Just listened to part 3 of the Christy Moore interview on Free State.. He was talking about these online 'patriots' who are seemingly afraid of nothing, but using their own names
Quote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2024, 10:15:49 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on May 01, 2024, 10:04:14 AMTends to be twitter I think. But for twitter there'd be no Jamie Bryson and I don't think there'd be the rise there is in the south either.
At least Bryson isn't hiding behind a fake name like 99.9% of the hate filled bastids on there are
When will people catch about twitter? Like I know I've umpteen posts on here, but that's my limit, of social media, when someone talks to me about what they seen on twitter or some said this on TikTok I'm immediately rolling my eyes and wanting to bash their heads in
Will Twitter and the like get worst or will it die a death?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2024, 10:22:48 AMQuote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2024, 10:15:49 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on May 01, 2024, 10:04:14 AMTends to be twitter I think. But for twitter there'd be no Jamie Bryson and I don't think there'd be the rise there is in the south either.
At least Bryson isn't hiding behind a fake name like 99.9% of the hate filled bastids on there are
When will people catch about twitter? Like I know I've umpteen posts on here, but that's my limit, of social media, when someone talks to me about what they seen on twitter or some said this on TikTok I'm immediately rolling my eyes and wanting to bash their heads in
Will Twitter and the like get worst or will it die a death?
It won't die. I do like Twitter but it can be a cesspit. I block loads of people who get in the way of important things like GAA and NBA news etc
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2024, 12:43:11 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2024, 10:22:48 AMQuote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2024, 10:15:49 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on May 01, 2024, 10:04:14 AMTends to be twitter I think. But for twitter there'd be no Jamie Bryson and I don't think there'd be the rise there is in the south either.
At least Bryson isn't hiding behind a fake name like 99.9% of the hate filled bastids on there are
When will people catch about twitter? Like I know I've umpteen posts on here, but that's my limit, of social media, when someone talks to me about what they seen on twitter or some said this on TikTok I'm immediately rolling my eyes and wanting to bash their heads in
Will Twitter and the like get worst or will it die a death?
It won't die. I do like Twitter but it can be a cesspit. I block loads of people who get in the way of important things like GAA and NBA news etc
One of the biggest issues with Twitter is if you interact with one of these scumbags, call them out or whatever, your feed will become full of the same shite. You are best to block and ignore anything Far Right and keep your stream of posts clean.
Good point made by Christy, the lack of a name shows these guys for what they are and indeed the homo-erotic image of Colin McGregor leading a band of "patriots" behind him into some sort of war is the most ridiculous thing I ever saw.
This says a lot, fascist yanks with nothing to do with Ireland trying to push their right wing agenda onto us
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/more-than-half-of-social-media-posts-about-wicklow-anti-asylum-protest-were-from-us-analysis-finds/a1068312180.html
Quote from: Itchy on May 03, 2024, 01:18:13 PMThis says a lot, fascist yanks with nothing to do with Ireland trying to push their right wing agenda onto us
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/more-than-half-of-social-media-posts-about-wicklow-anti-asylum-protest-were-from-us-analysis-finds/a1068312180.html
You realize Twitter isn't real life?
A couple of right wing US political commentators (with millions of followers) highlight the fact Ireland doesn't enforce its own immigration laws.
This then gets retweeted/shared/liked by a fraction of a fraction of 1% of the people who saw it.
And you use this "datapoint" to deligitimize peoples valid concerns (which BTW were shared by a sitting FF TD and European candidate yesterday)
And his comments are up in the FF website, so obviously the party (who are in Government) agree with his views to some extent
https://www.fiannafail.ie/news/cowen-demands-enforcement-of-immigration-laws?hs_amp=true
Are Fianna Fail far right?
Twitter isn't real life but the dumbfucks that believe everything in it are real
They have said AI will be uncontrollable (even more so) during these elections coming up in the UK and the US
Quote from: Itchy on May 03, 2024, 01:18:13 PMThis says a lot, fascist yanks with nothing to do with Ireland trying to push their right wing agenda onto us
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/more-than-half-of-social-media-posts-about-wicklow-anti-asylum-protest-were-from-us-analysis-finds/a1068312180.html
And the cnut outside Harris' home with a placard "Eire(sic) won't allow rule by EU puppets"
Tell me you're English/Nordie Loyalist without telling me....
Quote from: whitey on May 03, 2024, 01:38:20 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 03, 2024, 01:18:13 PMThis says a lot, fascist yanks with nothing to do with Ireland trying to push their right wing agenda onto us
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/more-than-half-of-social-media-posts-about-wicklow-anti-asylum-protest-were-from-us-analysis-finds/a1068312180.html
You realize Twitter isn't real life?
A couple of right wing US political commentators (with millions of followers) highlight the fact Ireland doesn't enforce its own immigration laws.
This then gets retweeted/shared/liked by a fraction of a fraction of 1% of the people who saw it.
And you use this "datapoint" to deligitimize peoples valid concerns (which BTW were shared by a sitting FF TD and European candidate yesterday)
And his comments are up in the FF website, so obviously the party (who are in Government) agree with his views to some extent
https://www.fiannafail.ie/news/cowen-demands-enforcement-of-immigration-laws?hs_amp=true
Are Fianna Fail far right?
Did it hurt you that one, you show up as a yank in the assessment above
Quote from: Itchy on May 03, 2024, 04:27:43 PMQuote from: whitey on May 03, 2024, 01:38:20 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 03, 2024, 01:18:13 PMThis says a lot, fascist yanks with nothing to do with Ireland trying to push their right wing agenda onto us
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/more-than-half-of-social-media-posts-about-wicklow-anti-asylum-protest-were-from-us-analysis-finds/a1068312180.html
You realize Twitter isn't real life?
A couple of right wing US political commentators (with millions of followers) highlight the fact Ireland doesn't enforce its own immigration laws.
This then gets retweeted/shared/liked by a fraction of a fraction of 1% of the people who saw it.
And you use this "datapoint" to deligitimize peoples valid concerns (which BTW were shared by a sitting FF TD and European candidate yesterday)
And his comments are up in the FF website, so obviously the party (who are in Government) agree with his views to some extent
https://www.fiannafail.ie/news/cowen-demands-enforcement-of-immigration-laws?hs_amp=true
Are Fianna Fail far right?
Did it hurt you that one, you show up as a yank in the assessment above
Not in the least
Im an Irish Citizen so I'm just as entitled to my opinion as you are
Not sure which three is right for this but it seems pretty appropriate, does Linfield normally have such a colourful array of flags for their games are is it just because they were playing a "Catholic team"?
Quote from: Brendan on May 05, 2024, 07:24:25 AMNot sure which three is right for this but it seems pretty appropriate, does Linfield normally have such a colourful array of flags for their games are is it just because they were playing a "Catholic team"?
They were sent packing regardless.
3rd goal, to finish it off, was great.
Quote from: marty34 on May 05, 2024, 07:52:14 AMQuote from: Brendan on May 05, 2024, 07:24:25 AMNot sure which three is right for this but it seems pretty appropriate, does Linfield normally have such a colourful array of flags for their games are is it just because they were playing a "Catholic team"?
They were sent packing regardless.
3rd goal, to finish it off, was great.
Fans should have been sent packing, can you really claim to be commemorating the 1913 UVF at a football match?
Quote from: Brendan on May 05, 2024, 08:29:35 AMQuote from: marty34 on May 05, 2024, 07:52:14 AMQuote from: Brendan on May 05, 2024, 07:24:25 AMNot sure which three is right for this but it seems pretty appropriate, does Linfield normally have such a colourful array of flags for their games are is it just because they were playing a "Catholic team"?
They were sent packing regardless.
3rd goal, to finish it off, was great.
Fans should have been sent packing, can you really claim to be commemorating the 1913 UVF at a football match?
A few years ago they had a jersey with the UVF colours. Umbro had to stop promoting it.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5704589/umbro-apologise-linfield-uvf-kit/amp/
Thoughts on the very large protest versus the very small counter protest in Dublin today? The Shinners didn't seem to be popular with the majority of protesters.
Quote from: Rebel84 on May 06, 2024, 09:04:39 PMThoughts on the very large protest versus the very small counter protest in Dublin today? The Shinners didn't seem to be popular with the majority of protesters.
The Irish are the biggest hypocrites on the planet with regard to immigration. The Irish government were lobbying the Biden administration recently regarding undocumented Irish in the US. Currently estimated at about 50K in number. (probably all unvetted military age males as well, shock horror)
Quote from: Rebel84 on May 06, 2024, 09:04:39 PMThoughts on the very large protest versus the very small counter protest in Dublin today? The Shinners didn't seem to be popular with the majority of protesters.
On RTÉ news there the coverage seemed to be filmed on a mobile phone while an anti abortion protest also mentioned was filmed with a proper TV camera.
Quote from: Lubo Moravcik on May 06, 2024, 09:16:35 PMThe Irish are the biggest hypocrites on the planet with regard to immigration. The Irish government were lobbying the Biden administration recently regarding undocumented Irish in the US. Currently estimated at about 50K in number. (probably all unvetted military age males as well, shock horror)
Absolute hypocrites, they should simply state that if the US throws them out that they'll be allowed come home.
Quote from: Rebel84 on May 06, 2024, 09:04:39 PMThoughts on the very large protest versus the very small counter protest in Dublin today? The Shinners didn't seem to be popular with the majority of protesters.
If you are "popular" with that bunch of goons you've got a problem
Exactly Itchy.
"Very large" as in 600?
Quote from: Itchy on May 06, 2024, 09:38:27 PMQuote from: Rebel84 on May 06, 2024, 09:04:39 PMThoughts on the very large protest versus the very small counter protest in Dublin today? The Shinners didn't seem to be popular with the majority of protesters.
If you are "popular" with that bunch of goons you've got a problem
Ha ha! These protesters are the Sinn Fein-voting demographic! And yes, Sinn Fein does have a problem!
Yeah, but noticeable how puny the antifa weasels' protest was in comparison to the right-thinking one!! The Newstalk report made it sound as if both were of equal size! Lying media, eh?!
Quote from: Rossfan on May 06, 2024, 09:46:07 PMExactly Itchy.
"Very large" as in 600?
Can't count, eh? Or just wilfully dishonest? I suppose the anti-fa scumbags had 6,000?!
Antifa are as big a shower of scumbags as the people they're protesting
Quote from: whitey on May 06, 2024, 10:17:45 PMAntifa are as big a shower of scumbags as the people they're protesting
if you say so
21% of people surveyed during the referendums believed that vaccines are dangerous, per the Irish Times.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 07, 2024, 07:22:44 AMQuote from: whitey on May 06, 2024, 10:17:45 PMAntifa are as big a shower of scumbags as the people they're protesting
if you say so
Anybody who isn't anti Fascist isn't a decent human being.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2024, 10:19:04 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 07, 2024, 07:22:44 AMQuote from: whitey on May 06, 2024, 10:17:45 PMAntifa are as big a shower of scumbags as the people they're protesting
if you say so
Anybody who isn't anti Fascist isn't a decent human being.
Add in liberal and socialist... These are bad values as well according to many
More reasons to he anti Fascist
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41389450.html
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2024, 11:00:54 AMMore reasons to he anti Fascist
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41389450.html
The anti-fa weirdos could hardly muster 200 for their big 'counter-protest', whereas the right-thinking ones had several thousand, despite what you and the 'legacy media' would like people to believe. And you just keep posting links from the same media? Come on, pal - it's old hat, and people are seeing through it.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2024, 11:00:54 AMMore reasons to he anti Fascist
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41389450.html
Fascists never fix problems.
It's quite sad watching this small demented section of Irish society dragging the tricolour through the dirt with their march of hate. Truly shameful.
Quote from: Lubo Moravcik on May 07, 2024, 12:00:07 PMIt's quite sad watching this small demented section of Irish society dragging the tricolour through the dirt with their march of hate. Truly shameful.
March of hate?!! Aaah. Boo hoo. Sadly for you, the majority of people in this country don't want open borders.
Quote from: burdizzo on May 07, 2024, 12:57:09 PMQuote from: Lubo Moravcik on May 07, 2024, 12:00:07 PMIt's quite sad watching this small demented section of Irish society dragging the tricolour through the dirt with their march of hate. Truly shameful.
March of hate?!! Aaah. Boo hoo. Sadly for you, the majority of people in this country don't want open borders.
there are no open borders in Ireland
Quote from: burdizzo on May 07, 2024, 12:57:09 PMQuote from: Lubo Moravcik on May 07, 2024, 12:00:07 PMIt's quite sad watching this small demented section of Irish society dragging the tricolour through the dirt with their march of hate. Truly shameful.
March of hate?!! Aaah. Boo hoo. Sadly for you, the majority of people in this country don't want open borders.
More nonsense.I mentioned on here the other day, a comment from Christy Moore about the Irish right wing, afraid of nothing except using their own names.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 07, 2024, 01:33:23 PMQuote from: burdizzo on May 07, 2024, 12:57:09 PMQuote from: Lubo Moravcik on May 07, 2024, 12:00:07 PMIt's quite sad watching this small demented section of Irish society dragging the tricolour through the dirt with their march of hate. Truly shameful.
March of hate?!! Aaah. Boo hoo. Sadly for you, the majority of people in this country don't want open borders.
More nonsense.I mentioned on here the other day, a comment from Christy Moore about the Irish right wing, afraid of nothing except using their own names.
And work, don't forget about work.
Work is an offensive 4 letter word to that sh1te!
They'd rather be abusing people and consorting with Tommy ten names and UDA sectarian murderers.
The only open border is the one on the map between the 6 and 26 and nobody but Jim Allister and Bryson types want that closed.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2024, 02:08:48 PMWork is an offensive 4 letter word to that sh1te!
They'd rather be abusing people and consorting with Tommy ten names and UDA sectarian murderers.
The only open border is the one on the map between the 6 and 26 and nobody but Jim Allister and Bryson types want that closed.
No, most people in the south want that closed to illegal immigrants! According to your beloved legacy media this morning, that is. Now, away back to the anti-fa boards.
Quote from: burdizzo on May 07, 2024, 02:20:38 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2024, 02:08:48 PMWork is an offensive 4 letter word to that sh1te!
They'd rather be abusing people and consorting with Tommy ten names and UDA sectarian murderers.
The only open border is the one on the map between the 6 and 26 and nobody but Jim Allister and Bryson types want that closed.
No, most people in the south want that closed to illegal immigrants! According to your beloved legacy media this morning, that is. Now, away back to the anti-fa boards.
Would ye away on with this 'legacy media' nonsense. Everyone quotes them when they print a story that confirms their particular point of view.
How are ye enjoying the open borders boys and girls
Did you read about the court case where the Somali sexually assaulted the girl in a pub toilet in Dubli
He is confirmed sex offender in the UK, who was denied asylum in 3 other EU countries-then got a fake Swedish passport which he destroyed upon his entry to Ireland and has been here ever since
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-who-followed-woman-to-toilets-and-tried-to-rape-her-jailed-for-predatory-actions/a1560765323.html
There is something seriously wrong with you.
What kind of person uses the word enjoy in relation to a story like that?
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 07, 2024, 03:45:04 PMThere is something seriously wrong with you.
What kind of person uses the word enjoy in relation to a story like that?
Well, a lot of people here are all for the cultural enrichment we get from open borders. Vile, I know, but there you have it...
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41356303.html#:~:text=Terrence%20Crosbie%20has%20been%20ordered,and%20to%20surrender%20his%20passport.&text=An%20Irish%20firefighter%20has%20been,%24100%2C000%20(€92%2C000)%20bail.
I know it's from the 'legacy media' but still.
Those Irish,,,keep them out!
Quote from: burdizzo on May 07, 2024, 04:26:11 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on May 07, 2024, 03:45:04 PMThere is something seriously wrong with you.
What kind of person uses the word enjoy in relation to a story like that?
Well, a lot of people here are all for the cultural enrichment we get from open borders. Vile, I know, but there you have it...
Again, wee Billy big balls behind a hidden name... Grim carryon.
It's what's driven twitter etc into the sewers.
It honestly is grim reading jog2. There's a rabbit hole some people go down and entrench themselves in and then use examples like sexual assault etc as some kind of validation and victory in what their views are. Two shining examples of it here. Grim is the word for it.
It wouldn't be the small section you think it is. I hear people talking about it now who never would mentioned immigration, What ever party put forward a very strong immigration policy going forward I think we be surprised at the backing it get.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 07, 2024, 04:48:18 PMQuote from: burdizzo on May 07, 2024, 04:26:11 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on May 07, 2024, 03:45:04 PMThere is something seriously wrong with you.
What kind of person uses the word enjoy in relation to a story like that?
Well, a lot of people here are all for the cultural enrichment we get from open borders. Vile, I know, but there you have it...
Again, wee Billy big balls behind a hidden name... Grim carryon.
It's what's driven twitter etc into the sewers.
Right. And your name's JoG2?! Does anyone here use their real name?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 05:02:41 PMIt wouldn't be the small section you think it is. I hear people talking about it now who never would mentioned immigration, What ever party put forward a very strong immigration policy going forward I think we be surprised at the backing it get.
The key issue isn't immigration. It's housing.
Quote from: seafoid on May 07, 2024, 06:19:01 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2024, 05:02:41 PMIt wouldn't be the small section you think it is. I hear people talking about it now who never would mentioned immigration, What ever party put forward a very strong immigration policy going forward I think we be surprised at the backing it get.
The key issue isn't immigration. It's housing.
So they keep trying to tell us. But, you know, it's not unrelated, now - is it?
Quote from: burdizzo on May 07, 2024, 06:14:44 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 07, 2024, 04:48:18 PMQuote from: burdizzo on May 07, 2024, 04:26:11 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on May 07, 2024, 03:45:04 PMThere is something seriously wrong with you.
What kind of person uses the word enjoy in relation to a story like that?
Well, a lot of people here are all for the cultural enrichment we get from open borders. Vile, I know, but there you have it...
Again, wee Billy big balls behind a hidden name... Grim carryon.
It's what's driven twitter etc into the sewers.
Right. And your name's JoG2?! Does anyone here use their real name?
I'd say there's 30 odd here know who I am with sharing info down the years. Thing is, I'm not spouting constant hate like you are. You would not post what you post using your real name, same goes for 99% of the 'patriots' on social media
"Patriots" gan focal Gaeilge acu.
There's ones here know who I am, too. Now, where's this hate I spout? Except at anti-fa, but that's OK because... - well, it's anti-fa!
By the way, quite a lot of hateful ones on "your side", too - no?
Quote from: burdizzo on May 07, 2024, 06:14:44 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 07, 2024, 04:48:18 PMQuote from: burdizzo on May 07, 2024, 04:26:11 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on May 07, 2024, 03:45:04 PMThere is something seriously wrong with you.
What kind of person uses the word enjoy in relation to a story like that?
Well, a lot of people here are all for the cultural enrichment we get from open borders. Vile, I know, but there you have it...
Again, wee Billy big balls behind a hidden name... Grim carryon.
It's what's driven twitter etc into the sewers.
Right. And your name's JoG2?! Does anyone here use their real name?
No one would be that stupid :o
Exactly Jimmy ;D
Another piece of sh1te
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/far-right-activist-charged-with-burglary-of-foot-locker-during-dublin-riots/a1848198465.html
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2024, 09:01:45 PMAnother piece of sh1te
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/far-right-activist-charged-with-burglary-of-foot-locker-during-dublin-riots/a1848198465.html
I think this shows what the far right are like.
1. There's no open borders
2. Why do some people only care about crimes against Irish women when it's foreign nationals who commit them?
Apologies for the source....but Europe is heading back to Nazism....
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/german-politician-attacked-amid-concerns-over-violence-ahead-of-eu-elections/a1437935902.html
Got a leaflet in the Post this morning from one of the Fash EU Candidates . Is this all they are doing , are they actually going door to door ?
Make sure to leave the nazifascist candidates blank when you vote.
The full list
https://www.thejournal.ie/candidates-for-european-elections-ireland-6364837-Apr2024/
Quote from: Horse Box on May 08, 2024, 10:56:46 AMGot a leaflet in the Post this morning from one of the Fash EU Candidates . Is this all they are doing , are they actually going door to door ?
Same. No too chicken shit to go door to door and too easy for voters to figure out in 10 seconds that you're dealing with a total moron. Placed my leaflets in the recycle bin where they belong.
I'll be leaving the following blank
Waters John
Barrett,
Reynolds
Maguire
Kelly
Cahill
Mullooly
Casey
Quote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 12:09:02 PMQuote from: Horse Box on May 08, 2024, 10:56:46 AMGot a leaflet in the Post this morning from one of the Fash EU Candidates . Is this all they are doing , are they actually going door to door ?
Same. No too chicken shit to go door to door and too easy for voters to figure out in 10 seconds that you're dealing with a total moron. Placed my leaflets in the recycle bin where they belong.
Speaking to total morons, what did you think of Helen McEntees performance last week when she was being grilled by McNamara?
The (non) answers given to very basic and simple questions regarding the enforcement of existing laws actually leads to people supporting these clown candidates who are runnjng
Quote from: Horse Box on May 08, 2024, 10:56:46 AMGot a leaflet in the Post this morning from one of the Fash EU Candidates . Is this all they are doing , are they actually going door to door ?
All the main parties send leaflets through the post.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2024, 11:05:31 AMMake sure to leave the nazifascist candidates blank when you vote.
The full list
https://www.thejournal.ie/candidates-for-european-elections-ireland-6364837-Apr2024/
In STV you're actually better giving them a really really low preference. If you leave it blank they don't know that you left it blank.
If you give them a 10 or whatever, whenever the transfers get to that stage (if they do), then they will see that people out there gave them a 10th preference and maybe for a moment go... "hmmm".
They'll get the vote then.
Blank means no transfer.
Hopefully they'll be all eliminated on Count 1 making it irrelevant.
They won't go hmmmmm ... , I'd say more likely to say the Government hired a load of foreigners to tear up all their votes
Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2024, 03:17:09 PMThey'll get the vote then.
Blank means no transfer.
Hopefully they'll be all eliminated on Count 1 making it irrelevant.
They won't go hmmmmm ... , I'd say more likely to say the Government hired a load of foreigners to tear up all their votes
Lol
Quote from: whitey on May 08, 2024, 12:28:30 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 12:09:02 PMQuote from: Horse Box on May 08, 2024, 10:56:46 AMGot a leaflet in the Post this morning from one of the Fash EU Candidates . Is this all they are doing , are they actually going door to door ?
Same. No too chicken shit to go door to door and too easy for voters to figure out in 10 seconds that you're dealing with a total moron. Placed my leaflets in the recycle bin where they belong.
Speaking to total morons, what did you think of Helen McEntees performance last week when she was being grilled by McNamara?
The (non) answers given to very basic and simple questions regarding the enforcement of existing laws actually leads to people supporting these clown candidates who are runnjng
McEntee is out of her depth, I wont defend her. However, that doesn't mean a bunch of racist knuckle draggers are right in anything they say
Quote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 04:44:24 PMQuote from: whitey on May 08, 2024, 12:28:30 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 12:09:02 PMQuote from: Horse Box on May 08, 2024, 10:56:46 AMGot a leaflet in the Post this morning from one of the Fash EU Candidates . Is this all they are doing , are they actually going door to door ?
Same. No too chicken shit to go door to door and too easy for voters to figure out in 10 seconds that you're dealing with a total moron. Placed my leaflets in the recycle bin where they belong.
Speaking to total morons, what did you think of Helen McEntees performance last week when she was being grilled by McNamara?
The (non) answers given to very basic and simple questions regarding the enforcement of existing laws actually leads to people supporting these clown candidates who are runnjng
McEntee is out of her depth, I wont defend her. However, that doesn't mean a bunch of racist knuckle draggers are right in anything they say
They (the knuckle drafters) are 100% right when they say that current laws are not being enforced which is leading to a defacto open borders policy
They are also correct in saying that many people are not being adequately "vetted"
https://gript.ie/revealed-asylum-seekers-fingerprints-not-checked-against-criminal-databases/
https://www.newstalk.com/news/these-people-are-fingerprinted-biggest-myths-about-asylum-seekers-1631836
Read the two articles and see if you can figure out who's telling the truth
Quote from: whitey on May 08, 2024, 05:00:31 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 04:44:24 PMQuote from: whitey on May 08, 2024, 12:28:30 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 12:09:02 PMQuote from: Horse Box on May 08, 2024, 10:56:46 AMGot a leaflet in the Post this morning from one of the Fash EU Candidates . Is this all they are doing , are they actually going door to door ?
Same. No too chicken shit to go door to door and too easy for voters to figure out in 10 seconds that you're dealing with a total moron. Placed my leaflets in the recycle bin where they belong.
Speaking to total morons, what did you think of Helen McEntees performance last week when she was being grilled by McNamara?
The (non) answers given to very basic and simple questions regarding the enforcement of existing laws actually leads to people supporting these clown candidates who are runnjng
McEntee is out of her depth, I wont defend her. However, that doesn't mean a bunch of racist knuckle draggers are right in anything they say
They (the knuckle drafters) are 100% right when they say that current laws are not being enforced which is leading to a defacto open borders policy
They are also correct in saying that many people are not being adequately "vetted"
https://gript.ie/revealed-asylum-seekers-fingerprints-not-checked-against-criminal-databases/
https://www.newstalk.com/news/these-people-are-fingerprinted-biggest-myths-about-asylum-seekers-1631836
Read the two articles and see if you can figure out who's telling the truth
Gript?? Sure you might as well throw up a link to mein kampf when your at it. You've no idea about this country, not a clue.
Quote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 05:57:47 PMQuote from: whitey on May 08, 2024, 05:00:31 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 04:44:24 PMQuote from: whitey on May 08, 2024, 12:28:30 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 12:09:02 PMQuote from: Horse Box on May 08, 2024, 10:56:46 AMGot a leaflet in the Post this morning from one of the Fash EU Candidates . Is this all they are doing , are they actually going door to door ?
Same. No too chicken shit to go door to door and too easy for voters to figure out in 10 seconds that you're dealing with a total moron. Placed my leaflets in the recycle bin where they belong.
Speaking to total morons, what did you think of Helen McEntees performance last week when she was being grilled by McNamara?
The (non) answers given to very basic and simple questions regarding the enforcement of existing laws actually leads to people supporting these clown candidates who are runnjng
McEntee is out of her depth, I wont defend her. However, that doesn't mean a bunch of racist knuckle draggers are right in anything they say
They (the knuckle drafters) are 100% right when they say that current laws are not being enforced which is leading to a defacto open borders policy
They are also correct in saying that many people are not being adequately "vetted"
https://gript.ie/revealed-asylum-seekers-fingerprints-not-checked-against-criminal-databases/
https://www.newstalk.com/news/these-people-are-fingerprinted-biggest-myths-about-asylum-seekers-1631836
Read the two articles and see if you can figure out who's telling the truth
Gript?? Sure you might as well throw up a link to mein kampf when your at it. You've no idea about this country, not a clue.
If McEnter and Varadkar enforced the laws already on the books this would be a non issue
They only have themselves to blame
What I've learned over the years is that it doesn't matter if something is true or not. What matters is whether people believe something to be true
With the collapse in people's confidence in traditional media outlets sources like Gript play a very important role in keeping them honest
Do the knuckle daggers work in the Immigration or ICP offices?
Work....😅🤣😂
Quote from: whitey on May 08, 2024, 06:15:29 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 05:57:47 PMQuote from: whitey on May 08, 2024, 05:00:31 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 04:44:24 PMQuote from: whitey on May 08, 2024, 12:28:30 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 12:09:02 PMQuote from: Horse Box on May 08, 2024, 10:56:46 AMGot a leaflet in the Post this morning from one of the Fash EU Candidates . Is this all they are doing , are they actually going door to door ?
Same. No too chicken shit to go door to door and too easy for voters to figure out in 10 seconds that you're dealing with a total moron. Placed my leaflets in the recycle bin where they belong.
Speaking to total morons, what did you think of Helen McEntees performance last week when she was being grilled by McNamara?
The (non) answers given to very basic and simple questions regarding the enforcement of existing laws actually leads to people supporting these clown candidates who are runnjng
McEntee is out of her depth, I wont defend her. However, that doesn't mean a bunch of racist knuckle draggers are right in anything they say
They (the knuckle drafters) are 100% right when they say that current laws are not being enforced which is leading to a defacto open borders policy
They are also correct in saying that many people are not being adequately "vetted"
https://gript.ie/revealed-asylum-seekers-fingerprints-not-checked-against-criminal-databases/
https://www.newstalk.com/news/these-people-are-fingerprinted-biggest-myths-about-asylum-seekers-1631836
Read the two articles and see if you can figure out who's telling the truth
Gript?? Sure you might as well throw up a link to mein kampf when your at it. You've no idea about this country, not a clue.
If McEnter and Varadkar enforced the laws already on the books this would be a non issue
They only have themselves to blame
What I've learned over the years is that it doesn't matter if something is true or not. What matters is whether people believe something to be true
With the collapse in people's confidence in traditional media outlets sources like Gript play a very important role in keeping them honest
Haha, you've learnt fcuk all if you think that. Go ask them who funds them.
Who funds mainstream media, then? And remember, too, that that is demonstrably dishonest when it comes to the immigration issue.
what laws arent being enforced again?
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 09, 2024, 07:07:01 AMwhat laws arent being enforced again?
https://www.newstalk.com/news/state-is-failing-to-enforce-its-own-immigration-rules-michael-mcnamara-td-1634712
Michael McNamara is a qualified barrister
Quote from: whitey on May 09, 2024, 11:02:02 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 09, 2024, 07:07:01 AMwhat laws arent being enforced again?
https://www.newstalk.com/news/state-is-failing-to-enforce-its-own-immigration-rules-michael-mcnamara-td-1634712
Michael McNamara is a qualified barrister
Not doing it or not doing it fast enough? Seems to be what he has said
Quote from: whitey on May 09, 2024, 11:02:02 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 09, 2024, 07:07:01 AMwhat laws arent being enforced again?
https://www.newstalk.com/news/state-is-failing-to-enforce-its-own-immigration-rules-michael-mcnamara-td-1634712
Michael McNamara is a qualified barrister
i see they are starting prosecutions. Youll be happy about that
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 09, 2024, 11:49:42 AMQuote from: whitey on May 09, 2024, 11:02:02 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 09, 2024, 07:07:01 AMwhat laws arent being enforced again?
https://www.newstalk.com/news/state-is-failing-to-enforce-its-own-immigration-rules-michael-mcnamara-td-1634712
Michael McNamara is a qualified barrister
i see they are starting prosecutions. Youll be happy about that
They are perceived by a wide swath of the population as not enforcing the law
This is giving oxygen to the dreaded "far right".
They only have themselves to blame-the laws are there-enforce them
According to the Irish Independent they are getting dogs abuse on the doorsteps
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-members-raise-security-concerns-over-harassment-while-canvassing/a774403242.html
Quote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 12:09:02 PMQuote from: Horse Box on May 08, 2024, 10:56:46 AMGot a leaflet in the Post this morning from one of the Fash EU Candidates . Is this all they are doing , are they actually going door to door ?
Same. No too chicken shit to go door to door and too easy for voters to figure out in 10 seconds that you're dealing with a total moron. Placed my leaflets in the recycle bin where they belong.
Good stuff , my one mixed in with the kindling . Under a month to go to the Elections and most of the main Parties have been around already , no Fash thankfully .
Are you far right for thinking this fella shouldn't have been admitted to Ireland ?
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-who-followed-woman-to-toilets-and-tried-to-rape-her-jailed-for-predatory-actions/a1560765323.html
"The court heard Mohamed claimed to be from Somalia, which he had fled in 2017. He was in direct provision in Italy before being refused asylum in Germany, Italy and France. He travelled to Holland, where he got a false Swedish passport, which he destroyed while travelling to Ireland.
He applied for asylum in Ireland on his arrival in February 2022 and was placed in hotel accommodation in Dublin, where he lived until his arrest. His asylum application has not been decided."
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 09, 2024, 06:50:21 PMAre you far right for thinking this fella shouldn't have been admitted to Ireland ?
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-who-followed-woman-to-toilets-and-tried-to-rape-her-jailed-for-predatory-actions/a1560765323.html
"The court heard Mohamed claimed to be from Somalia, which he had fled in 2017. He was in direct provision in Italy before being refused asylum in Germany, Italy and France. He travelled to Holland, where he got a false Swedish passport, which he destroyed while travelling to Ireland.
He applied for asylum in Ireland on his arrival in February 2022 and was placed in hotel accommodation in Dublin, where he lived until his arrest. His asylum application has not been decided."
Don't be a racist now Kidder. You don't know what experiences these people have been through ;)
Quote from: Horse Box on May 09, 2024, 04:27:13 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 12:09:02 PMQuote from: Horse Box on May 08, 2024, 10:56:46 AMGot a leaflet in the Post this morning from one of the Fash EU Candidates . Is this all they are doing , are they actually going door to door ?
Same. No too chicken shit to go door to door and too easy for voters to figure out in 10 seconds that you're dealing with a total moron. Placed my leaflets in the recycle bin where they belong.
Good stuff , my one mixed in with the kindling . Under a month to go to the Elections and most of the main Parties have been around already , no Fash thankfully .
Anyone who says 'Fash' to label others usually has serious ties to Antifa.
Quote from: Rebel84 on May 09, 2024, 08:41:02 PMQuote from: Horse Box on May 09, 2024, 04:27:13 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 08, 2024, 12:09:02 PMQuote from: Horse Box on May 08, 2024, 10:56:46 AMGot a leaflet in the Post this morning from one of the Fash EU Candidates . Is this all they are doing , are they actually going door to door ?
Same. No too chicken shit to go door to door and too easy for voters to figure out in 10 seconds that you're dealing with a total moron. Placed my leaflets in the recycle bin where they belong.
Good stuff , my one mixed in with the kindling . Under a month to go to the Elections and most of the main Parties have been around already , no Fash thankfully .
Anyone who says 'Fash' to label others usually has serious ties to Antifa.
Anyone who calls themselves Rebel is usually anything but a rebel
To be a decent human being requires being anti Fascist.
Hint...Europe 1933 to 45 when the World saw the outworkings of Fascism.
And now you label anyone who wants national borders and sovereignty upheld a fascist? You don't really have a clue what fascism is, do you?
irelandisfull... that's not a call for national borders and sovereignty to be upheld? I'd be interested about how sovereignty isn't being upheld.
it's fascist and racist to blame everything on 'foreigners' when have little or nothing to do with poor government policy and enforcement over the past decade or 2.
Such as "were not having tent encampments"
Then directing IP applicants to Homeless services who say "We've no accomodation but here's a tent"
You couldn't make it up
Continually letting people into the country when there's nowhere to put them? You couldn't make it up.
Quote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 11:29:02 AMContinually letting people into the country when there's nowhere to put them? You couldn't make it up.
so blame the govt... not 'foreigners' and don't burn down hotels/accommodation!!
What about the Blasket islands? loads of room and no one living there at the minute.
Over 1,100 acres of unspoiled largely mountainous terrain, the Great Blasket Island is approximately 4 miles long by 1/2 mile wide. Home to an abundance of wildlife and fauna
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on May 10, 2024, 11:33:35 AMQuote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 11:29:02 AMContinually letting people into the country when there's nowhere to put them? You couldn't make it up.
so blame the govt... not 'foreigners' and don't burn down hotels/accommodation!!
International Law is above and beyond teeny extremist minds.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 10, 2024, 12:21:43 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on May 10, 2024, 11:33:35 AMQuote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 11:29:02 AMContinually letting people into the country when there's nowhere to put them? You couldn't make it up.
so blame the govt... not 'foreigners' and don't burn down hotels/accommodation!!
International Law is above and beyond teeny extremist minds.
Isn't that the main issue that came out of McNamara's dismantling of Helen McEntee-were not enforcing the laws that are already on the books
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on May 10, 2024, 11:33:35 AMQuote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 11:29:02 AMContinually letting people into the country when there's nowhere to put them? You couldn't make it up.
so blame the govt... not 'foreigners' and don't burn down hotels/accommodation!!
I am blaming the government.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 10, 2024, 12:21:43 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on May 10, 2024, 11:33:35 AMQuote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 11:29:02 AMContinually letting people into the country when there's nowhere to put them? You couldn't make it up.
so blame the govt... not 'foreigners' and don't burn down hotels/accommodation!!
International Law is above and beyond teeny extremist minds.
It's not one bit extreme to want to protect your nation's borders. Unless your dream is the mindless anti-fa/ anarchist mantra of "no nations, no borders".
Quote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 01:53:45 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on May 10, 2024, 11:33:35 AMQuote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 11:29:02 AMContinually letting people into the country when there's nowhere to put them? You couldn't make it up.
so blame the govt... not 'foreigners' and don't burn down hotels/accommodation!!
I am blaming the government.
no you are blaming immigration... if the laws were changed to open borders would you support it as it is then legal?
What a bizarre question.
I am blaming the government for allowing these levels of immigration.
Puh.
Quote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 06:04:27 PMWhat a bizarre question.
I am blaming the government for allowing these levels of immigration.
Puh.
what's the problem with immigration? what level is acceptable to you?
Ideally, immigration levels would be very low: the problem with massive demographic change is that the host society loses in the long run. Were the plantations of Ireland a good idea?
Quote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 09:20:32 PMIdeally, immigration levels would be very low: the problem with massive demographic change is that the host society loses in the long run. Were the plantations of Ireland a good idea?
Depends who you ask
Quote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 09:20:32 PMIdeally, immigration levels would be very low: the problem with massive demographic change is that the host society loses in the long run. Were the plantations of Ireland a good idea?
what's very low? what's massive demographic change?
the plantation was not immigration that was colonisation. are you suggesting we are being colonised?
Very low would be what we had prior to 1992. Massive demographic change is now.
The plantations were still immigration. You can play with words all you like, but that's what is was - organised immigration. Was it good for the host society? Were the early waves of immigration to the 'new world' good for the host societies? Was the immigration of Jews to the Middle East a good idea?(!) Will the current massive demographic change be good for Ireland?
Quote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 10:17:27 PMVery low would be what we had prior to 1992. Massive demographic change is now.
The plantations were still immigration. You can play with words all you like, but that's what is was - organised immigration. Was it good for the host society? Were the early waves of immigration to the 'new world' good for the host societies? Was the immigration of Jews to the Middle East a good idea?(!) Will the current massive demographic change be good for Ireland?
My head is sore!
Look, it's simple Ireland is part of the EU, we have do our share and a duty of care also to people that come to this island and claim asylum, are some of them wrong? Dam tight they are and what needs to happen is a better process to fix it.
Burning hostels and hate marches not going to fix it
Quote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 10:17:27 PMVery low would be what we had prior to 1992. Massive demographic change is now.
The plantations were still immigration. You can play with words all you like, but that's what is was - organised immigration. Was it good for the host society? Were the early waves of immigration to the 'new world' good for the host societies? Was the immigration of Jews to the Middle East a good idea?(!) Will the current massive demographic change be good for Ireland?
immigration and colonisation are not the same. Are you suggesting they are and what's happening now is organised immigration/colonisation?
you want to go back the 80s when over 400,000 had to emigrate. the 'massive demographic change' seems to doing alright for the country compared to the 80s.
No, I'm drawing a line between periods of large-scale immigration. Simple as that. You're trying to put words in my mouth. You may want to engage in semantics, but my point was that massive demographic change is not good for the host society in the long run.
Quote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 10:57:16 PMNo, I'm drawing a line between periods of large-scale immigration. Simple as that. You're trying to put words in my mouth. You may want to engage in semantics, but my point was that massive demographic change is not good for the host society in the long run.
its not as simple as that..
semantics? we are not being colonised..That's not semantics. loads of empty rhetoric
Not at all - 'tis not I engaging in empty rhetoric. Whether you call it plantation, colonisation, large-scale immigration, or massive demographic change, it still amounts to a bad deal for the host society. I actually think you're being deliberately evasive, but whatever.
Padraic Henry Pearse must be turning in his grave.
Good night.
Drive through any medium size town in Ireland today. Who are standing on the streets? They're are either immigrants or Irish fellas who have seriously over done on the sunbeds... Keady, Armagh, Ballybay, Newtown, Dungannon etc etc...
Quote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 10:57:16 PMNo, I'm drawing a line between periods of large-scale immigration. Simple as that. You're trying to put words in my mouth. You may want to engage in semantics, but my point was that massive demographic change is not good for the host society in the long run.
You're not so bad at it yourself, Mr Plantation.
Quote from: burdizzo on May 10, 2024, 11:35:19 PMNot at all - 'tis not I engaging in empty rhetoric. Whether you call it plantation, colonisation, large-scale immigration, or massive demographic change, it still amounts to a bad deal for the host society. I actually think you're being deliberately evasive, but whatever.
Padraic Henry Pearse must be turning in his grave.
Good night.
from the poster who brought us this..
QuoteAnd now you label anyone who wants national borders and sovereignty upheld a fascist? You don't really have a clue what fascism is, do you
?
It's not really that complicated
Enforce existing laws
Deport people whose claims are denied
Rigorous background checks on new arrivals
Set Welfare benefits in line with European averages (not double)
We've got to keep people like these out of the country....
https://m.independent.ie/regionals/carlow/news/carlow-heroes-save-woman-who-had-been-assaulted-before-being-thrown-into-river/a2123012170.html
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 12:27:16 AMIt's not really that complicated
Enforce existing laws
Deport people whose claims are denied
Rigorous background checks on new arrivals
Set Welfare benefits in line with European averages (not double)
Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone. Do you send a form to their local police station?
Also, do you think their should be rigourous checks on all sides. Would there be anything to be said for some checks on these far right goons? I mean if they were involved in local sports, foroige, community games etc then they'd already have been Garda vetted, but we know none of them do anything in their community. I'm all for rigorous checks on them so we can see who has criminal records, beats their wife and sells drugs etc. I'm sure you'd agree you wouldn't want those type of people heading up your racist protests
And who is funding them.
One of them goes about roaring about protecting children. Yet a Court has banned him from any contact with his children. And he has drug dealing convictions to boot.
Another has a foreign wife who belched on a bank loan.
Reynolds and Barrett who both claim to be leaders of "The National(sic) Party" are standing in the North/West Euro constituency.
I wonder will they get more votes than Jamie Bin Lid 167.
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 09:44:26 AMQuote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 12:27:16 AMIt's not really that complicated
Enforce existing laws
Deport people whose claims are denied
Rigorous background checks on new arrivals
Set Welfare benefits in line with European averages (not double)
Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone. Do you send a form to their local police station?
Also, do you think their should be rigourous checks on all sides. Would there be anything to be said for some checks on these far right goons? I mean if they were involved in local sports, foroige, community games etc then they'd already have been Garda vetted, but we know none of them do anything in their community. I'm all for rigorous checks on them so we can see who has criminal records, beats their wife and sells drugs etc. I'm sure you'd agree you wouldn't want those type of people heading up your racist protests
Great
So we're in agreement then. More rigorous checks on incoming applicants are a good thing.
So we don't end up with a shambolic situation like the one highlighted last week where a guy (convicted sex offender) denied asylum in 3 separate countries can get in having destroyed a fake Swedish passport
And he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation
As a rule I wouldn't let anyone from countries like Somalia in, one of the least developed countries in the world and fair to say they have fairly different views to us. Oh and seem to like to carry knives.
Quote from: Kidder81 on May 11, 2024, 11:52:25 AMAs a rule I wouldn't let anyone from countries like Somalia in, one of the least developed countries in the world and fair to say they have fairly different views to us. Oh and seem to like to carry knives.
Was going to say bit of subtle racism there but it isn't even subtle.. just throw it out on social media that Somalians 'like to carry knives' - is how the far right works to instil fear and animosity towards migrants. Do u have evidence to support this?
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AMQuote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 09:44:26 AMQuote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 12:27:16 AMIt's not really that complicated
Enforce existing laws
Deport people whose claims are denied
Rigorous background checks on new arrivals
Set Welfare benefits in line with European averages (not double)
Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone. Do you send a form to their local police station?
Also, do you think their should be rigourous checks on all sides. Would there be anything to be said for some checks on these far right goons? I mean if they were involved in local sports, foroige, community games etc then they'd already have been Garda vetted, but we know none of them do anything in their community. I'm all for rigorous checks on them so we can see who has criminal records, beats their wife and sells drugs etc. I'm sure you'd agree you wouldn't want those type of people heading up your racist protests
Great
So we're in agreement then. More rigorous checks on incoming applicants are a good thing.
So we don't end up with a shambolic situation like the one highlighted last week where a guy (convicted sex offender) denied asylum in 3 separate countries can get in having destroyed a fake Swedish passport
And he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation
I asked you a question, you afraid to answer it
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 02:31:36 PMQuote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AMQuote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 09:44:26 AMQuote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 12:27:16 AMIt's not really that complicated
Enforce existing laws
Deport people whose claims are denied
Rigorous background checks on new arrivals
Set Welfare benefits in line with European averages (not double)
Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone. Do you send a form to their local police station?
Also, do you think their should be rigourous checks on all sides. Would there be anything to be said for some checks on these far right goons? I mean if they were involved in local sports, foroige, community games etc then they'd already have been Garda vetted, but we know none of them do anything in their community. I'm all for rigorous checks on them so we can see who has criminal records, beats their wife and sells drugs etc. I'm sure you'd agree you wouldn't want those type of people heading up your racist protests
Great
So we're in agreement then. More rigorous checks on incoming applicants are a good thing.
So we don't end up with a shambolic situation like the one highlighted last week where a guy (convicted sex offender) denied asylum in 3 separate countries can get in having destroyed a fake Swedish passport
And he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation
I asked you a question, you afraid to answer it
Your "question" makes absolutely no sense and is actually irrelevant as to whether rigorous background checks should be carried out on people seeking international protection (some of whom have no id)
So you're in agreement with me on these rigorous checks......thats fantastic!
If you want to start a separate thread about "legal Irish residents" who have criminal convictions, and what activities, they should and shouldnt be allowed to partake in go right ahead. There are laws already in place and I would think (and hope) they are being fully enforced. If theyre not....then they should be
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 02:43:30 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 02:31:36 PMQuote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AMQuote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 09:44:26 AMQuote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 12:27:16 AMIt's not really that complicated
Enforce existing laws
Deport people whose claims are denied
Rigorous background checks on new arrivals
Set Welfare benefits in line with European averages (not double)
Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone. Do you send a form to their local police station?
Also, do you think their should be rigourous checks on all sides. Would there be anything to be said for some checks on these far right goons? I mean if they were involved in local sports, foroige, community games etc then they'd already have been Garda vetted, but we know none of them do anything in their community. I'm all for rigorous checks on them so we can see who has criminal records, beats their wife and sells drugs etc. I'm sure you'd agree you wouldn't want those type of people heading up your racist protests
Great
So we're in agreement then. More rigorous checks on incoming applicants are a good thing.
So we don't end up with a shambolic situation like the one highlighted last week where a guy (convicted sex offender) denied asylum in 3 separate countries can get in having destroyed a fake Swedish passport
And he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation
I asked you a question, you afraid to answer it
Your "question" makes absolutely no sense and is actually irrelevant as to whether rigorous background checks should be carried out on people seeking international protection (some of whom have no id)
So you're in agreement with me on these rigorous checks......thats fantastic!
If you want to start a separate thread about "legal Irish residents" who have criminal convictions, and what activities, they should and shouldnt be allowed to partake in go right ahead. There are laws already in place and I would think (and hope) they are being fully enforced. If theyre not....then they should be
As usual too much of a shite to answer a question. Away with ya
I seriously don't know what your question is
Are you saying that people (legal Irish Residents) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) shouldn't be allowed (on principal) to lead protests or are you saying that people (legal Irish citizens) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) should be legally prohibited from leading protests?
In some jurisdictions you can be prohibited by a court of law from associating with "known criminals" as part of a sentencing agreement. If that, or similar processes are in place in Ireland, then I would expect and demand that the Gardai fully enforce it
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AMAnd he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation
Not your taxes though.
Pretty common right wing trope there
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2024, 03:41:12 PMQuote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AMAnd he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation
Not your taxes though.
Pretty common right wing trope there
Doesn't make it any less true
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 04:04:48 PMQuote from: gallsman on May 11, 2024, 03:41:12 PMQuote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AMAnd he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation
Not your taxes though.
Pretty common right wing trope there
Doesn't make it any less true
your tax dollars spent destabilising most of the countries of the ME and North Africa..
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 04:04:48 PMQuote from: gallsman on May 11, 2024, 03:41:12 PMQuote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 10:57:41 AMAnd he then took a (taxpayer funded) legal action against the government to avoid deportation
Not your taxes though.
Pretty common right wing trope there
Doesn't make it any less true
All sorts of meaningless things are true.
Quote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 03:33:04 PMI seriously don't know what your question is
Are you saying that people (legal Irish Residents) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) shouldn't be allowed (on principal) to lead protests or are you saying that people (legal Irish citizens) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) should be legally prohibited from leading protests?
In some jurisdictions you can be prohibited by a court of law from associating with "known criminals" as part of a sentencing agreement. If that, or similar processes are in place in Ireland, then I would expect and demand that the Gardai fully enforce it
Let's start with my 1st Question...
Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone.
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 06:01:21 PMQuote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 03:33:04 PMI seriously don't know what your question is
Are you saying that people (legal Irish Residents) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) shouldn't be allowed (on principal) to lead protests or are you saying that people (legal Irish citizens) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) should be legally prohibited from leading protests?
In some jurisdictions you can be prohibited by a court of law from associating with "known criminals" as part of a sentencing agreement. If that, or similar processes are in place in Ireland, then I would expect and demand that the Gardai fully enforce it
Let's start with my 1st Question...
Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone.
What war are the Georgians fleeing from?
Quote from: Rebel84 on May 11, 2024, 08:20:11 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 06:01:21 PMQuote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 03:33:04 PMI seriously don't know what your question is
Are you saying that people (legal Irish Residents) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) shouldn't be allowed (on principal) to lead protests or are you saying that people (legal Irish citizens) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) should be legally prohibited from leading protests?
In some jurisdictions you can be prohibited by a court of law from associating with "known criminals" as part of a sentencing agreement. If that, or similar processes are in place in Ireland, then I would expect and demand that the Gardai fully enforce it
Let's start with my 1st Question...
Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone.
What war are the Georgians fleeing from?
The question is for the yank, you can keep your nonsense out of it dumbo
Name calling and insults will get a ban for a few days.
Last warning for Itchy in particular.
Is racism OK, asking a for a friend
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 08:46:19 PMQuote from: Rebel84 on May 11, 2024, 08:20:11 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 11, 2024, 06:01:21 PMQuote from: whitey on May 11, 2024, 03:33:04 PMI seriously don't know what your question is
Are you saying that people (legal Irish Residents) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) shouldn't be allowed (on principal) to lead protests or are you saying that people (legal Irish citizens) of low moral character (with criminal convictions) should be legally prohibited from leading protests?
In some jurisdictions you can be prohibited by a court of law from associating with "known criminals" as part of a sentencing agreement. If that, or similar processes are in place in Ireland, then I would expect and demand that the Gardai fully enforce it
Let's start with my 1st Question...
Can you explain to me how you do "rigorous background checks" on someone fleeing a warzone.
What war are the Georgians fleeing from?
The question is for the yank, you can keep your nonsense out of it dumbo
Well my first response was going to be that a large percentage of people seeking international protection were NOT COMING FROM WARZONES, but from countries deemed safe by our own government
But for those fleeing warzones, with just the clothes on their backs, rigorous vetting does becomes more problematic.
The government HAD been telling us that peoples fingerprints were being checked against CRIMINAL databases. This is now proven to be 100% untrue.
The Irish Refugee Council has even amended such verbiage on their website
And would totally explain situations like this:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41391070.html
Nazifascist filth showing their true colours.
When are the Gardai and Authorities going to put an end to their campaigns of harrassment and abuse before there's a murder?
Yeah, exactly. When are the Guards and politicians going to stop harassing local populations by forcibly planting hundreds of unvetted men from completely different cultures into peaceful communities?
Quote from: burdizzo on May 14, 2024, 12:14:15 PMYeah, exactly. When are the Guards and politicians going to stop harassing local populations by forcibly planting hundreds of unvetted men from completely different cultures into peaceful communities?
Under the current laws (cause whether you like that or not, that's the way its meant to be, until its changed)
Unvetted person comes to Ireland and seeks asylum, under the current system how should that be done?
If they are vetted and approved, are you ok with that? even though they are from different cultures? Or is it just different cultures that have you up in arms (literally) ?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2024, 12:51:33 PMQuote from: burdizzo on May 14, 2024, 12:14:15 PMYeah, exactly. When are the Guards and politicians going to stop harassing local populations by forcibly planting hundreds of unvetted men from completely different cultures into peaceful communities?
Under the current laws (cause whether you like that or not, that's the way its meant to be, until its changed)
Unvetted person comes to Ireland and seeks asylum, under the current system how should that be done?
If they are vetted and approved, are you ok with that? even though they are from different cultures? Or is it just different cultures that have you up in arms (literally) ?
I'm fairly sure, if yer man was honest, vetting would consist of looking at the colour of the applicants face and if it wasn't white vetting failed. In addition check persons religion, if Muslim vetting failed.
Quote from: Itchy on May 14, 2024, 01:09:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2024, 12:51:33 PMQuote from: burdizzo on May 14, 2024, 12:14:15 PMYeah, exactly. When are the Guards and politicians going to stop harassing local populations by forcibly planting hundreds of unvetted men from completely different cultures into peaceful communities?
Under the current laws (cause whether you like that or not, that's the way its meant to be, until its changed)
Unvetted person comes to Ireland and seeks asylum, under the current system how should that be done?
If they are vetted and approved, are you ok with that? even though they are from different cultures? Or is it just different cultures that have you up in arms (literally) ?
I'm fairly sure, if yer man was honest, vetting would consist of looking at the colour of the applicants face and if it wasn't white vetting failed. In addition check persons religion, if Muslim vetting failed.
The government had claimed that people's fingerprints were being checked against international criminal databases
That was not true.
Do you think it is a far right opinion to ask that people with no (or visibly fake) Id have their fingerprints checked against international criminal databases ?
No I don't think that's unreasonable. I would imagine it's fairly pointless though.
Now I have a question for you, If your applicant has his/her finger prints taken and if they are put into the international criminal database and they come back as having no record of criminality on that database - Do you now consider that person to be "vetted"?
Quote from: Itchy on May 14, 2024, 02:22:46 PMNow I have a question for you, If your applicant has his/her finger prints taken and if they are put into the international criminal database and they come back as having no record of criminality on that database - Do you now consider that person to be "vetted"?
How do you thoroughly vet someone whose identity you can't verify (or someone who comes from a country where records may Be non existent).
Is it a good start-yes
But it is the bare minimum we should be doing.
I would say that they have passed a preliminary vetting
Quote from: whitey on May 14, 2024, 02:36:26 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 14, 2024, 02:22:46 PMNow I have a question for you, If your applicant has his/her finger prints taken and if they are put into the international criminal database and they come back as having no record of criminality on that database - Do you now consider that person to be "vetted"?
How do you thoroughly vet someone whose identity you can't verify (or someone who comes from a country where records may Be non existent).
Is it a good start-yes
But it is the bare minimum we should be doing.
I would say that they have passed a preliminary vetting
Where a thorough vetting is impossible or impractical I think we should be using every possible tool available and currently we're not doing that
(Even though the government and NGOs lied and said we were)
Quote from: whitey on May 14, 2024, 02:36:26 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 14, 2024, 02:22:46 PMNow I have a question for you, If your applicant has his/her finger prints taken and if they are put into the international criminal database and they come back as having no record of criminality on that database - Do you now consider that person to be "vetted"?
How do you thoroughly vet someone whose identity you can't verify (or someone who comes from a country where records may Be non existent).
Is it a good start-yes
But it is the bare minimum we should be doing.
I would say that they have passed a preliminary vetting
Sounds like it is not possible to vet people, doesnt it. I mean do you think someone escaping war in the Sudan for example will have their finger prints on an international database. There is no way to vet 100% people and when you get a group in you will get the normal distribution of good people (vast Majority) and bad people (small minority) just like you do in the general population. The issue is the racist far right want you to equate black faces with all being unvetted criminals.
I see you then had a dig at "NGO's" which seems to be another Far Right thing to do these days, despite those clowns not even knowing what NGOs are or do and how fcuked we would be as a country without them. Which ones have you and issue with or is it all of them?
NGOs have now joined Soros, Globalists, "Liberals", "woke" people etc on the nazifascist hate list.
Shinners have gone top of the list in Ireland when they discovered that "Nationalist" in the 6.Cos context didn't mean the xenophobic neonazi Aryan version prevalent in the Continent.
Thought you loved being 'European'?!
Quote from: Itchy on May 14, 2024, 04:01:51 PMQuote from: whitey on May 14, 2024, 02:36:26 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 14, 2024, 02:22:46 PMNow I have a question for you, If your applicant has his/her finger prints taken and if they are put into the international criminal database and they come back as having no record of criminality on that database - Do you now consider that person to be "vetted"?
How do you thoroughly vet someone whose identity you can't verify (or someone who comes from a country where records may Be non existent).
Is it a good start-yes
But it is the bare minimum we should be doing.
I would say that they have passed a preliminary vetting
Sounds like it is not possible to vet people, doesnt it. I mean do you think someone escaping war in the Sudan for example will have their finger prints on an international database. There is no way to vet 100% people and when you get a group in you will get the normal distribution of good people (vast Majority) and bad people (small minority) just like you do in the general population. The issue is the racist far right want you to equate black faces with all being unvetted criminals.
I see you then had a dig at "NGO's" which seems to be another Far Right thing to do these days, despite those clowns not even knowing what NGOs are or do and how fcuked we would be as a country without them. Which ones have you and issue with or is it all of them?
Why wouldn't you want the authorities to make every effort to verify the identities of those entering the country and conduct rudimentary background checks using all available technologies including international criminal fingerprint databases?
Seems like a no brainer to me
Re the NGOs-the fact that any taxpayer funded entity have a financial incentive to act against the best interests of the taxpayer and the everyday working person is mind boggling to say the least
Quote from: whitey on May 14, 2024, 04:30:11 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 14, 2024, 04:01:51 PMQuote from: whitey on May 14, 2024, 02:36:26 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 14, 2024, 02:22:46 PMNow I have a question for you, If your applicant has his/her finger prints taken and if they are put into the international criminal database and they come back as having no record of criminality on that database - Do you now consider that person to be "vetted"?
How do you thoroughly vet someone whose identity you can't verify (or someone who comes from a country where records may Be non existent).
Is it a good start-yes
But it is the bare minimum we should be doing.
I would say that they have passed a preliminary vetting
Sounds like it is not possible to vet people, doesnt it. I mean do you think someone escaping war in the Sudan for example will have their finger prints on an international database. There is no way to vet 100% people and when you get a group in you will get the normal distribution of good people (vast Majority) and bad people (small minority) just like you do in the general population. The issue is the racist far right want you to equate black faces with all being unvetted criminals.
I see you then had a dig at "NGO's" which seems to be another Far Right thing to do these days, despite those clowns not even knowing what NGOs are or do and how fcuked we would be as a country without them. Which ones have you and issue with or is it all of them?
Why wouldn't you want the authorities to make every effort to verify the identities of those entering the country and conduct rudimentary background checks using all available technologies including international criminal fingerprint databases?
Seems like a no brainer to me
Re the NGOs-the fact that any taxpayer funded entity have a financial incentive to act against the best interests of the taxpayer and the everyday working person is mind boggling to say the least
Debating with you is like debating with a 5 year old. Never answer questions, make statements (like above) trying to put words in my mouth, clearly i never said any such thing. I don't know why I bother. You're just a racist, it's as simple as that.
Quote from: Itchy on May 14, 2024, 04:40:22 PMQuote from: whitey on May 14, 2024, 04:30:11 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 14, 2024, 04:01:51 PMQuote from: whitey on May 14, 2024, 02:36:26 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 14, 2024, 02:22:46 PMNow I have a question for you, If your applicant has his/her finger prints taken and if they are put into the international criminal database and they come back as having no record of criminality on that database - Do you now consider that person to be "vetted"?
How do you thoroughly vet someone whose identity you can't verify (or someone who comes from a country where records may Be non existent).
Is it a good start-yes
But it is the bare minimum we should be doing.
I would say that they have passed a preliminary vetting
Sounds like it is not possible to vet people, doesnt it. I mean do you think someone escaping war in the Sudan for example will have their finger prints on an international database. There is no way to vet 100% people and when you get a group in you will get the normal distribution of good people (vast Majority) and bad people (small minority) just like you do in the general population. The issue is the racist far right want you to equate black faces with all being unvetted criminals.
I see you then had a dig at "NGO's" which seems to be another Far Right thing to do these days, despite those clowns not even knowing what NGOs are or do and how fcuked we would be as a country without them. Which ones have you and issue with or is it all of them?
Why wouldn't you want the authorities to make every effort to verify the identities of those entering the country and conduct rudimentary background checks using all available technologies including international criminal fingerprint databases?
Seems like a no brainer to me
Re the NGOs-the fact that any taxpayer funded entity have a financial incentive to act against the best interests of the taxpayer and the everyday working person is mind boggling to say the least
Debating with you is like debating with a 5 year old. Never answer questions, make statements (like above) trying to put words in my mouth, clearly i never said any such thing. I don't know why I bother. You're just a racist, it's as simple as that.
The govt and various NGOs said that people without ID had their fingerprints run through an international criminal database
That was false......and I'm a racist for pointing it out
And I'm actually very much pro migrant
My biggest issue is that the fraudsters are taking resources and good will away from the legitimate asylum seekers/international protecting applicants.
The inability/unwillingness of the government to enforce existing laws has and their complete dishonesty when asked basic questions have created a tindex box.
More summery
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/traitor-slogans-daubed-beside-mary-lou-mcdonalds-constituency-office-in-dublin/a627268100.html
Quote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 07:57:41 PMMore summery
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/traitor-slogans-daubed-beside-mary-lou-mcdonalds-constituency-office-in-dublin/a627268100.html
52% of Sinn Fein supporters want checkpoints at the border with Northern Ireland to limit the number of asylum-seekers coming from the U.K.?
LOL
Couldn't make it up
I know, Sinn Vein's duplicity on this issue is finally catching up with them.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 07:57:41 PMMore summery
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/traitor-slogans-daubed-beside-mary-lou-mcdonalds-constituency-office-in-dublin/a627268100.html
Brave lads. If only they were so brave during the troubles we'd have put the Brits out ages ago
In 1841 the population of England and Wales was 16 million, of Ireland 8 million
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1841_United_Kingdom_census#Regional_populations
Ireland doesn't seem too full.
Quote from: Itchy on May 14, 2024, 10:18:55 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 07:57:41 PMMore summery
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/traitor-slogans-daubed-beside-mary-lou-mcdonalds-constituency-office-in-dublin/a627268100.html
Brave lads. If only they were so brave during the troubles we'd have put the Brits out ages ago
Why did you want the Brits out? Why do you want everyone else in?!
Quote from: dec on May 14, 2024, 10:31:25 PMIn 1841 the population of England and Wales was 16 million, of Ireland 8 million
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1841_United_Kingdom_census#Regional_populations
Ireland doesn't seem too full.
In 1841 they were living squalid hovels, and now it's in tents by the canal. But, yeah, keep bringing more in 'til we have some other cataclysmic event!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2024, 12:51:33 PMQuote from: burdizzo on May 14, 2024, 12:14:15 PMYeah, exactly. When are the Guards and politicians going to stop harassing local populations by forcibly planting hundreds of unvetted men from completely different cultures into peaceful communities?
Under the current laws (cause whether you like that or not, that's the way its meant to be, until its changed)
Unvetted person comes to Ireland and seeks asylum, under the current system how should that be done?
If they are vetted and approved, are you ok with that? even though they are from different cultures? Or is it just different cultures that have you up in arms (literally) ?
Must have missed this question I asked earlier burdizzo
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2024, 10:42:11 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2024, 12:51:33 PMQuote from: burdizzo on May 14, 2024, 12:14:15 PMYeah, exactly. When are the Guards and politicians going to stop harassing local populations by forcibly planting hundreds of unvetted men from completely different cultures into peaceful communities?
Under the current laws (cause whether you like that or not, that's the way its meant to be, until its changed)
Unvetted person comes to Ireland and seeks asylum, under the current system how should that be done?
If they are vetted and approved, are you ok with that? even though they are from different cultures? Or is it just different cultures that have you up in arms (literally) ?
Must have missed this question I asked earlier burdizzo
Oh. Most people don't answer my questions, either. I'd actually forgotten.
Yes, it is almost impossible to properly vet people, so most will be 'unvetted'. Given that, I think the rate of enforced deportations should be much higher. That is absolutely possible under the current laws.
What do you mean by "up in arms (literally)", referring to me, by the way?
Quote from: burdizzo on May 14, 2024, 11:00:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2024, 10:42:11 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2024, 12:51:33 PMQuote from: burdizzo on May 14, 2024, 12:14:15 PMYeah, exactly. When are the Guards and politicians going to stop harassing local populations by forcibly planting hundreds of unvetted men from completely different cultures into peaceful communities?
Under the current laws (cause whether you like that or not, that's the way its meant to be, until its changed)
Unvetted person comes to Ireland and seeks asylum, under the current system how should that be done?
If they are vetted and approved, are you ok with that? even though they are from different cultures? Or is it just different cultures that have you up in arms (literally) ?
Must have missed this question I asked earlier burdizzo
Oh. Most people don't answer my questions, either. I'd actually forgotten.
Yes, it is almost impossible to properly vet people, so most will be 'unvetted'. Given that, I think the rate of enforced deportations should be much higher. That is absolutely possible under the current laws.
What do you mean by "up in arms (literally)", referring to me, by the way?
Out protesting is up in arms, burning hostels , graffiti on walls and so on, are you protesting to get the judiciary to do it quicker or not have any asylum system in place or
So you're insinuating I'm out burning down hostels?
Quote from: burdizzo on May 15, 2024, 07:32:56 AMSo you're insinuating I'm out burning down hostels?
I don't know, are you? That would be a group that you align yourself with?
Quote from: burdizzo on May 14, 2024, 10:33:30 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 14, 2024, 10:18:55 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 07:57:41 PMMore summery
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/traitor-slogans-daubed-beside-mary-lou-mcdonalds-constituency-office-in-dublin/a627268100.html
Brave lads. If only they were so brave during the troubles we'd have put the Brits out ages ago
Why did you want the Brits out? Why do you want everyone else in?!
did this actually make sense in your head?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2024, 07:39:10 AMQuote from: burdizzo on May 15, 2024, 07:32:56 AMSo you're insinuating I'm out burning down hostels?
I don't know, are you? That would be a group that you align yourself with?
"I don't know"? No, you insinuated that. I have never on this board applauded such things. Now, go back to bed.
The uber nationalist, I am more Irish than you, flag waving Nazi's are ironically closely aligned with the Far Right in England and even Loyalist paramilitaries in the North. They even invite them into Ireland to speak at their little rallies. That just about sums up the brain power in operation in the Far Right and their supporters like Whitey and Burdizzo. Empty vessels with one or two brain cells rattling around inside.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2024, 07:26:37 AMQuote from: burdizzo on May 14, 2024, 11:00:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2024, 10:42:11 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2024, 12:51:33 PMQuote from: burdizzo on May 14, 2024, 12:14:15 PMYeah, exactly. When are the Guards and politicians going to stop harassing local populations by forcibly planting hundreds of unvetted men from completely different cultures into peaceful communities?
Under the current laws (cause whether you like that or not, that's the way its meant to be, until its changed)
Unvetted person comes to Ireland and seeks asylum, under the current system how should that be done?
If they are vetted and approved, are you ok with that? even though they are from different cultures? Or is it just different cultures that have you up in arms (literally) ?
Must have missed this question I asked earlier burdizzo
Oh. Most people don't answer my questions, either. I'd actually forgotten.
Yes, it is almost impossible to properly vet people, so most will be 'unvetted'. Given that, I think the rate of enforced deportations should be much higher. That is absolutely possible under the current laws.
What do you mean by "up in arms (literally)", referring to me, by the way?
Out protesting is up in arms, burning hostels , graffiti on walls and so on, are you protesting to get the judiciary to do it quicker or not have any asylum system in place or
Swapping 'arms' for 'keyboard (anonymous)' would be more accurate
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 09:19:13 AMThe uber nationalist, I am more Irish than you, flag waving Nazi's are ironically closely aligned with the Far Right in England and even Loyalist paramilitaries in the North. They even invite them into Ireland to speak at their little rallies. That just about sums up the brain power in operation in the Far Right and their supporters like Whitey and Burdizzo. Empty vessels with one or two brain cells rattling around inside.
50% of Sinn Fein supporters now support border checks to stem the flow of migrants
The people inviting these far right types in would very very likely be Sinn Fein supporters
In this immigration matter-Sinn Fein gave the 2 fingers to their most loyal supporters
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 09:19:13 AMThe uber nationalist, I am more Irish than you, flag waving Nazi's ......
Gan focal Gaeilge acu.
If you said 2 words of Irish to them they'd think you were a foreigner🙄
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 10:14:44 AMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 09:19:13 AMThe uber nationalist, I am more Irish than you, flag waving Nazi's are ironically closely aligned with the Far Right in England and even Loyalist paramilitaries in the North. They even invite them into Ireland to speak at their little rallies. That just about sums up the brain power in operation in the Far Right and their supporters like Whitey and Burdizzo. Empty vessels with one or two brain cells rattling around inside.
50% of Sinn Fein supporters now support border checks to stem the flow of migrants
The people inviting these far right types in would very very likely be Sinn Fein supporters
In this immigration matter-Sinn Fein gave the 2 fingers to their most loyal supporters
So out of touch its not funny
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 11:40:50 AMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 10:14:44 AMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 09:19:13 AMThe uber nationalist, I am more Irish than you, flag waving Nazi's are ironically closely aligned with the Far Right in England and even Loyalist paramilitaries in the North. They even invite them into Ireland to speak at their little rallies. That just about sums up the brain power in operation in the Far Right and their supporters like Whitey and Burdizzo. Empty vessels with one or two brain cells rattling around inside.
50% of Sinn Fein supporters now support border checks to stem the flow of migrants
The people inviting these far right types in would very very likely be Sinn Fein supporters
In this immigration matter-Sinn Fein gave the 2 fingers to their most loyal supporters
So out of touch its not funny
Yes
Go to Trinity (or Blackrock College)
Add a few fadas to your name
Bobs your uncle
Champagne socialist starter pack
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 11:48:34 AMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 11:40:50 AMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 10:14:44 AMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 09:19:13 AMThe uber nationalist, I am more Irish than you, flag waving Nazi's are ironically closely aligned with the Far Right in England and even Loyalist paramilitaries in the North. They even invite them into Ireland to speak at their little rallies. That just about sums up the brain power in operation in the Far Right and their supporters like Whitey and Burdizzo. Empty vessels with one or two brain cells rattling around inside.
50% of Sinn Fein supporters now support border checks to stem the flow of migrants
The people inviting these far right types in would very very likely be Sinn Fein supporters
In this immigration matter-Sinn Fein gave the 2 fingers to their most loyal supporters
So out of touch its not funny
Yes
Go to Trinity (or Blackrock College)
Add a few fadas to your name
Bobs your uncle
Champagne socialist starter pack
lol - talk about proving my point
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 11:40:50 AMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 10:14:44 AMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 09:19:13 AMThe uber nationalist, I am more Irish than you, flag waving Nazi's are ironically closely aligned with the Far Right in England and even Loyalist paramilitaries in the North. They even invite them into Ireland to speak at their little rallies. That just about sums up the brain power in operation in the Far Right and their supporters like Whitey and Burdizzo. Empty vessels with one or two brain cells rattling around inside.
50% of Sinn Fein supporters now support border checks to stem the flow of migrants
The people inviting these far right types in would very very likely be Sinn Fein supporters
In this immigration matter-Sinn Fein gave the 2 fingers to their most loyal supporters
So out of touch its not funny
Sorry, Itchy, but he's right. The anarchist/ anti-fa wing of SF has been found out by the right-thinking ones, and SF doesn't have a clue what to do. It's quite funny, really!
Quote from: burdizzo on May 15, 2024, 01:58:24 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 11:40:50 AMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 10:14:44 AMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 09:19:13 AMThe uber nationalist, I am more Irish than you, flag waving Nazi's are ironically closely aligned with the Far Right in England and even Loyalist paramilitaries in the North. They even invite them into Ireland to speak at their little rallies. That just about sums up the brain power in operation in the Far Right and their supporters like Whitey and Burdizzo. Empty vessels with one or two brain cells rattling around inside.
50% of Sinn Fein supporters now support border checks to stem the flow of migrants
The people inviting these far right types in would very very likely be Sinn Fein supporters
In this immigration matter-Sinn Fein gave the 2 fingers to their most loyal supporters
So out of touch its not funny
Sorry, Itchy, but he's right. The anarchist/ anti-fa wing of SF has been found out by the right-thinking ones, and SF doesn't have a clue what to do. It's quite funny, really!
Are you pro-fa?
Quote from: burdizzo on May 15, 2024, 01:58:24 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 11:40:50 AMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 10:14:44 AMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 09:19:13 AMThe uber nationalist, I am more Irish than you, flag waving Nazi's are ironically closely aligned with the Far Right in England and even Loyalist paramilitaries in the North. They even invite them into Ireland to speak at their little rallies. That just about sums up the brain power in operation in the Far Right and their supporters like Whitey and Burdizzo. Empty vessels with one or two brain cells rattling around inside.
50% of Sinn Fein supporters now support border checks to stem the flow of migrants
The people inviting these far right types in would very very likely be Sinn Fein supporters
In this immigration matter-Sinn Fein gave the 2 fingers to their most loyal supporters
So out of touch its not funny
Sorry, Itchy, but he's right. The anarchist/ anti-fa wing of SF has been found out by the right-thinking ones, and SF doesn't have a clue what to do. It's quite funny, really!
No hes not right. He said the below. If you honestly believe that you are completely detached from reality. Its actually quite staggering that anybody would believe that given our very recent history involving border checkpoints. LOL indeed.
"52% of Sinn Fein supporters want checkpoints at the border with Northern Ireland to limit the number of asylum-seekers coming from the U.K.?
LOL
Couldn't make it up"
Quote from: HiMucker on May 15, 2024, 02:17:39 PMNo hes not right. He said the below. If you honestly believe that you are completely detached from reality. Its actually quite staggering that anybody would believe that given our very recent history involving border checkpoints. LOL indeed.
"52% of Sinn Fein supporters want checkpoints at the border with Northern Ireland to limit the number of asylum-seekers coming from the U.K.?
LOL
Couldn't make it up"
This is not "very recent" to most SF voters in the 26 counties, at best they were in national school then, and of course they didn't think deeply about the issue, they have a twitter approach to politics.
Immigration is an issue that could completely derail Sinn Fein (or any political party for that matter) in a similar way that Brexit created gaping holes in traditional voting patterns in the UK.
Another hero for the our pro fa people to drool over!
How much has this yoke cost the taxpayers to date?
He has a job and still gets legal aid FFS!
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/apprentice-electrician-charged-with-rioting-and-burning-luas-during-dublin-disorder/a1918720127.html
Sinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE
Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections
I'm going to say they will come in at 18%
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE
Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections
I'm going to say they will come in at 18%
You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE
Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections
I'm going to say they will come in at 18%
You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.
Yes
But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election
https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub
Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive
Quote from: Rossfan on May 15, 2024, 03:00:57 PMAnother hero for the our pro fa people to drool over!
How much has this yoke cost the taxpayers to date?
He has a job and still gets legal aid FFS!
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/apprentice-electrician-charged-with-rioting-and-burning-luas-during-dublin-disorder/a1918720127.html
All "asylum seekers" get free legal aid for their appeals. Imagine exposing the Irish tax payer to the combination of an endless amount of chancers from all around the world and unscrupulous lawyers. Barmy!
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE
Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections
I'm going to say they will come in at 18%
You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.
Yes
But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election
https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub
Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive
haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.
Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE
Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections
I'm going to say they will come in at 18%
You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.
Yes
But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election
https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub
Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive
haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.
Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.
Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:32:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE
Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections
I'm going to say they will come in at 18%
You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.
Yes
But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election
https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub
Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive
haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.
Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.
Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)
So your prediction is a collapse in Sinn Fein vote in the local elections. You predicting the same in the European elections?
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:32:45 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:32:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE
Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections
I'm going to say they will come in at 18%
You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.
Yes
But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election
https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub
Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive
haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.
Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.
Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)
So your prediction is a collapse in Sinn Fein vote in the local elections. You predicting the same in the European elections?
Yes and yes
1/4-1/3 of the people who voted for them in 2020 will not vote for them this go around
Now due to PR, they may not lose 1/4-1/3 of their seats, but they will lose some
Which is scandalous considering they are the main opposition party to an historically unpopular government
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 06:47:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:32:45 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:32:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE
Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections
I'm going to say they will come in at 18%
You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.
Yes
But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election
https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub
Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive
haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.
Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.
Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)
So your prediction is a collapse in Sinn Fein vote in the local elections. You predicting the same in the European elections?
Yes and yes
1/4-1/3 of the people who voted for them in 2020 will not vote for them this go around
Now due to PR, they may not lose 1/4-1/3 of their seats, but they will lose some
Which is scandalous considering they are the main opposition party to an historically unpopular government
OK, Sinn Fein in South currently has 1 MEP. You think they might lose that but if they don't it'll be because of PR.
What if I told you SF are nailed on to get 3 MEPs with an outside chance of 2nd seats in the 3 constituencies? You are saying that im wrong.
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:59:56 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 06:47:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:32:45 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:32:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE
Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections
I'm going to say they will come in at 18%
You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.
Yes
But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election
https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub
Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive
haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.
Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.
Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)
So your prediction is a collapse in Sinn Fein vote in the local elections. You predicting the same in the European elections?
Yes and yes
1/4-1/3 of the people who voted for them in 2020 will not vote for them this go around
Now due to PR, they may not lose 1/4-1/3 of their seats, but they will lose some
Which is scandalous considering they are the main opposition party to an historically unpopular government
OK, Sinn Fein in South currently has 1 MEP. You think they might lose that but if they don't it'll be because of PR.
What if I told you SF are nailed on to get 3 MEPs with an outside chance of 2nd seats in the 3 constituencies? You are saying that im wrong.
I'm saying Sinn Feins FPV % will fall by somewhere between 25% and 33% over what the received in 2020
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 07:11:55 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:59:56 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 06:47:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:32:45 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:32:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE
Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections
I'm going to say they will come in at 18%
You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.
Yes
But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election
https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub
Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive
haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.
Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.
Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)
So your prediction is a collapse in Sinn Fein vote in the local elections. You predicting the same in the European elections?
Yes and yes
1/4-1/3 of the people who voted for them in 2020 will not vote for them this go around
Now due to PR, they may not lose 1/4-1/3 of their seats, but they will lose some
Which is scandalous considering they are the main opposition party to an historically unpopular government
OK, Sinn Fein in South currently has 1 MEP. You think they might lose that but if they don't it'll be because of PR.
What if I told you SF are nailed on to get 3 MEPs with an outside chance of 2nd seats in the 3 constituencies? You are saying that im wrong.
I'm saying Sinn Feins FPV % will fall by somewhere between 25% and 33% over what the received in 2020
How many MEPs will they lose/gain and how many co councillors will they lose/gain. Surely a man with your local knowledge knows enough to make that prediction.
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:15:14 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 07:11:55 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:59:56 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 06:47:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:32:45 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:32:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE
Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections
I'm going to say they will come in at 18%
You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.
Yes
But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election
https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub
Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive
haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.
Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.
Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)
So your prediction is a collapse in Sinn Fein vote in the local elections. You predicting the same in the European elections?
Yes and yes
1/4-1/3 of the people who voted for them in 2020 will not vote for them this go around
Now due to PR, they may not lose 1/4-1/3 of their seats, but they will lose some
Which is scandalous considering they are the main opposition party to an historically unpopular government
OK, Sinn Fein in South currently has 1 MEP. You think they might lose that but if they don't it'll be because of PR.
What if I told you SF are nailed on to get 3 MEPs with an outside chance of 2nd seats in the 3 constituencies? You are saying that im wrong.
I'm saying Sinn Feins FPV % will fall by somewhere between 25% and 33% over what the received in 2020
How many MEPs will they lose/gain and how many co councillors will they lose/gain. Surely a man with your local knowledge knows enough to make that prediction.
Don't know because it depends on Turnout and transfers which no one can predict
In addition. In the last council elections SF got 9.5% of first preference votes and 81 elected councillors. You are predicting their 1st preference votes will drop by between 2.3% and 3.1%. That's a brave call.
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 07:22:26 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:15:14 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 07:11:55 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:59:56 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 06:47:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:32:45 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:32:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE
Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections
I'm going to say they will come in at 18%
You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.
Yes
But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election
https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub
Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive
haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.
Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.
Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)
So your prediction is a collapse in Sinn Fein vote in the local elections. You predicting the same in the European elections?
Yes and yes
1/4-1/3 of the people who voted for them in 2020 will not vote for them this go around
Now due to PR, they may not lose 1/4-1/3 of their seats, but they will lose some
Which is scandalous considering they are the main opposition party to an historically unpopular government
OK, Sinn Fein in South currently has 1 MEP. You think they might lose that but if they don't it'll be because of PR.
What if I told you SF are nailed on to get 3 MEPs with an outside chance of 2nd seats in the 3 constituencies? You are saying that im wrong.
I'm saying Sinn Feins FPV % will fall by somewhere between 25% and 33% over what the received in 2020
How many MEPs will they lose/gain and how many co councillors will they lose/gain. Surely a man with your local knowledge knows enough to make that prediction.
Don't know because it depends on Turnout and transfers which no one can predict
Well it's great we found something you don't know. If you were in Ireland you could have watched a harrowing 3 part series into the deaths of 48 people in the Stardust fire. Lynn Boylan has worked with those working class families for years to secure a new inquest which in the end finally brought truth to the fore. Lynn Boylan will top the poll by a mile in Dublin. At the same time the people you seem to have similar beliefs to, are out burning buildings. Think about that.
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:23:53 PMIn addition. In the last council elections SF got 9.5% of first preference votes and 81 elected councillors. You are predicting their 1st preference votes will drop by between 2.3% and 3.1%. That's a brave call.
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:23:53 PMIn addition. In the last council elections SF got 9.5% of first preference votes and 81 elected councillors. You are predicting their 1st preference votes will drop by between 2.3% and 3.1%. That's a brave call.
No-that's not what I said
I said their FPV % would drop by 25-33% off their 2020 GE FPV% where they got 24.5% of FPVs
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 07:31:38 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:23:53 PMIn addition. In the last council elections SF got 9.5% of first preference votes and 81 elected councillors. You are predicting their 1st preference votes will drop by between 2.3% and 3.1%. That's a brave call.
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:23:53 PMIn addition. In the last council elections SF got 9.5% of first preference votes and 81 elected councillors. You are predicting their 1st preference votes will drop by between 2.3% and 3.1%. That's a brave call.
No-that's not what I said
I said their FPV % would drop by 25-33% off their 2020 GE FPV% where they got 24.5% of FPVs
General elections and Co Council elections 2 different things.
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:30:19 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 07:22:26 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:15:14 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 07:11:55 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:59:56 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 06:47:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 06:32:45 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:32:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:29:52 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 04:09:27 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 04:05:44 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 03:25:12 PMSinn Fein got 24.5 % of all FPVs in the 2020 GE
Anyone want to guess what their FPV % will be in the upcoming Local Elections
I'm going to say they will come in at 18%
You know we have proportional representation in elections don't you? So let's see do their seats go up or down. Let's see how the racists get on too.
Yes
But FPV% is a clearer indication as to whether top line support has gone up or down and it's bang front and center in every report written about the results of that election
https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/results-hub
Just listened to the Gript Podcast-Peasar Toibin very impressive. Hermann Kelly-very unimpressive
haha, Gript again but now with Hermann Kelly.
Listen lad, the only metric that matters is number of seats. Its very simple, even for you.
Well if their FPV% collapses, there a good chance their seat count will too (but not guaranteed)
So your prediction is a collapse in Sinn Fein vote in the local elections. You predicting the same in the European elections?
Yes and yes
1/4-1/3 of the people who voted for them in 2020 will not vote for them this go around
Now due to PR, they may not lose 1/4-1/3 of their seats, but they will lose some
Which is scandalous considering they are the main opposition party to an historically unpopular government
OK, Sinn Fein in South currently has 1 MEP. You think they might lose that but if they don't it'll be because of PR.
What if I told you SF are nailed on to get 3 MEPs with an outside chance of 2nd seats in the 3 constituencies? You are saying that im wrong.
I'm saying Sinn Feins FPV % will fall by somewhere between 25% and 33% over what the received in 2020
How many MEPs will they lose/gain and how many co councillors will they lose/gain. Surely a man with your local knowledge knows enough to make that prediction.
Don't know because it depends on Turnout and transfers which no one can predict
Well it's great we found something you don't know. If you were in Ireland you could have watched a harrowing 3 part series into the deaths of 48 people in the Stardust fire. Lynn Boylan has worked with those working class families for years to secure a new inquest which in the end finally brought truth to the fore. Lynn Boylan will top the poll by a mile in Dublin. At the same time the people you seem to have similar beliefs to, are out burning buildings. Think about that.
No need to be getting mad at me just because Sinn Fein screwed up and sold out their base to the NGOs
I'll stand by my prediction-Sinn Feins FPV% vote will decline by 25-33% versus what they got during the 2020 general election
I'll make a €50 donation to a charity of your choice if I'm wrong
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:34:10 PMQuote from: whitey on May 15, 2024, 07:31:38 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:23:53 PMIn addition. In the last council elections SF got 9.5% of first preference votes and 81 elected councillors. You are predicting their 1st preference votes will drop by between 2.3% and 3.1%. That's a brave call.
Quote from: Itchy on May 15, 2024, 07:23:53 PMIn addition. In the last council elections SF got 9.5% of first preference votes and 81 elected councillors. You are predicting their 1st preference votes will drop by between 2.3% and 3.1%. That's a brave call.
No-that's not what I said
I said their FPV % would drop by 25-33% off their 2020 GE FPV% where they got 24.5% of FPVs
General elections and Co Council elections 2 different things.
Never said they were
2020 should be Sinn Feins baseline. That's what I'm basing my prediction off
SF down 5 points in latest opinion poll.
Quote from: burdizzo on May 16, 2024, 08:08:33 AMSF down 5 points in latest opinion poll.
I saw that
But I also saw FG going up by 4 which I find hard to believe
Elections are decided by the voters, not the polls. It will all depend on who can turn out their voters on the day